Speaker 1: I was thinking, since mister Wilfordilla is not here, I know,
Speaker 1: what a bummer that we can talk directing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about directing actors, those pisky actors.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, what's I mean? Because I love
Speaker 2: geeking out with you about this stuff.
Speaker 1: Because you're doing it all the time, and it's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things because it's like having come from
Speaker 1: the other side, you know, like you get so used
Speaker 1: to so many different types of directors, so many bad directors,
Speaker 1: and like you know, and like the number one thing
Speaker 1: that scares the crap out of directors is talking to actors,
Speaker 1: Like if they've never been an actor, that's the number
Speaker 1: one thing. And so we have this like superpower just
Speaker 1: by having been an actor. So we walk onto a
Speaker 1: set and all the acts are so much happier with
Speaker 1: all comfortable, so comfortable, and they'll listen to us so much,
Speaker 1: so we just get a pass like automatically.
Speaker 2: And so I just wanted to hear, like how do
Speaker 2: you give notes? Like what do you do?
Speaker 1: How do you like go from take to take? Or
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I just wanted to geek out
Speaker 1: a little bit about it.
Speaker 3: Well, so much of what I remember being difficult about
Speaker 3: being an actor, and was was truly just the lack
Speaker 3: of information you get. We've talked about it a lot
Speaker 3: on the show how you'll hear hubbub and you'll hear talking, talking, talking,
Speaker 3: and then and then there's lots of time that passes
Speaker 3: last five, ten, sometimes even fifteen minutes, and no one
Speaker 3: comes and tells you what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's ten minutes of doubt and correct and eleit insecurity.
Speaker 3: All you spend all let's say, nine of those ten minutes.
Speaker 3: The first the first minute is oh, something went wrong,
Speaker 3: We're gonna We're gonna start again. The next nine minutes
Speaker 3: is you going through all the ways it was your fault,
Speaker 3: you screwed it up, your ugly face, your stupid body,
Speaker 3: your your inability to say words, and you just start
Speaker 3: and then by the time then they're ready to go,
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, it's time to go.
Speaker 1: And then it could go through past that too, well,
Speaker 1: why did they This show sucks anyway?
Speaker 2: And it was obviously the other it's like it's goes
Speaker 2: too long.
Speaker 1: Then by the time the director walks in, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: are you guys ready to do this stupid awful thing?
Speaker 2: Right? It's like it can go past. It's like because
Speaker 2: then the actors.
Speaker 1: Could start turning, especially when their boat if it's more
Speaker 1: than one, they're well, what's going on? I don't know,
Speaker 1: Well it couldn't have been us.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so it wasn't me. Okay, yeah, so you
Speaker 2: can't No.
Speaker 1: That's my number one thing is the silence after cut.
Speaker 1: Like that's like the one thing that I always do
Speaker 1: every set. It's like, just even if it was the
Speaker 1: worst take ever and I can't scream out like yeah
Speaker 1: or just okay, just somebody has to say we got it,
Speaker 1: hold on now, we got to adjust.
Speaker 2: Because that's so true, especially on film sets.
Speaker 1: It's like at video village because these days everyone's at
Speaker 1: video Village are so far away and if there's just
Speaker 1: nothing so you don't even hear cuts. Sometimes they won't
Speaker 1: even say they're just like okay, you know. And also
Speaker 1: because you just hear a tone doesn't matter, they just
Speaker 1: keep wroing yeah exactly, and they want to like just
Speaker 1: keep and you'll just hear nothing and you're just sitting
Speaker 1: there like I did a thing.
Speaker 3: I know I did it, and anything any sort of
Speaker 3: feedback I'll take, I'll take a criticism then Just so
Speaker 3: my number one thing that I try to do is
Speaker 3: communicate with them as much as possible about what's going on.
Speaker 3: And when something happens, I always like and it's not
Speaker 3: about them, even if it is sometimes about them, I
Speaker 3: tell them, not you. This is for me, and and
Speaker 3: for me means something happened with camera, whether there was
Speaker 3: a bump or we didn't get it or whatever, like guys,
Speaker 3: I need it one more time. This is it was
Speaker 3: for me, or I go out there and I'll say, listen,
Speaker 3: they're going to do a rewrite, so it might take
Speaker 3: a few minutes. They're they're tossing around some all else
Speaker 3: wasn't you performance was great. We're just going to try
Speaker 3: to get some some different alts. And so that is.
Speaker 2: Also everybody at ease.
Speaker 3: Everybody to ease.
Speaker 2: Everybody feel like they did something that and I.
Speaker 3: Can tell them it's going to be about five or
Speaker 3: ten minutes. So get a drink of water, go sit
Speaker 3: down in your chair, have have a fun conversation amongst yourselves.
Speaker 3: We're not going to be going again in twenty seconds,
Speaker 3: so you've got a little bit of time. The other
Speaker 3: thing that I think I've had to learn to do
Speaker 3: based on depending on who you're working with. When you're
Speaker 3: working with kids, it's much easier to come out and
Speaker 3: just tell them directly this time, let's try it a
Speaker 3: different way. Let's try it, and then I can give
Speaker 3: them some sort of subtext I want them to play with,
Speaker 3: or or a bigger emotion. You know, let's this time,
Speaker 3: play it more surprised, play it more. I can. It's
Speaker 3: much easier that way. When you're working with adults, and
Speaker 3: and very sometimes very successful adults, they have already thought
Speaker 3: of all the ways that there is to do it,
Speaker 3: and they made a choice to do it that way,
Speaker 3: and so I don't want to try it a different way.
Speaker 3: I like the way I did it. Your suggestion is
Speaker 3: not as good as mine, And so a lot of
Speaker 3: times I have to win on the showrunner writer side.
Speaker 3: I'm getting a note that's like, why are they saying
Speaker 3: it like that? I think it's funnier if they say
Speaker 3: it like this, and I'm like, I can't go tell
Speaker 3: them that. So I have to be very creative in
Speaker 3: the way I can deliver that note to get the
Speaker 3: writers in the showrunner what they want while still making
Speaker 3: the actor feel like what they did was genius, but
Speaker 3: also give them the idea that they're going to come
Speaker 3: up with the idea to do it in a new way.
Speaker 3: And that part is where you have to be very
Speaker 3: creative because that translation has to happen in ten seconds.
Speaker 3: They I have to hear the note from the show runner,
Speaker 3: like why can't he just say it like this? And
Speaker 3: I have to then go, how am I going to
Speaker 3: deliver this note to this adult, very successful actor in
Speaker 3: a way that's going to make him feel comfortable wanting
Speaker 3: to try it a different way?
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And it's that's extremely difficult on well, in television in general,
Speaker 1: but especially on like a sitcom.
Speaker 2: Set, because.
Speaker 1: I feel like in film or in single camera, there's
Speaker 1: much more of a sense throughout the whole process where
Speaker 1: the director is a collaborator with the actors, whereas on
Speaker 1: multiicam the actors often get into the sense that they're
Speaker 1: like presenting their finished performance or they're presenting their performance,
Speaker 1: and then the director is like kind of going to
Speaker 1: the other team and then coming back and there's the
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, well, I did the thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and so you have to like what I
Speaker 1: realized is you just have to spend the whole week
Speaker 1: getting on.
Speaker 2: Their side so that by the time you're actually taping,
Speaker 2: they they they.
Speaker 1: Know that you know what they're doing and that there's
Speaker 1: like this sense of like, so, you know, so it's
Speaker 1: more like we didn't get the scene, you know, like
Speaker 1: we didn't get the thing. We got to try something,
Speaker 1: and then hopefully they can hear that as like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm this person's with me trying to get it.
Speaker 1: But I imagine if it's a gigantic name actor and
Speaker 1: who's been in the business for you know, twenty years
Speaker 1: before we were born, that's so difficult. But I my
Speaker 1: my biggest thing that you know, it's very like I
Speaker 1: and this is true with writing notes too.
Speaker 2: It's like I've learned to just tell them what I
Speaker 2: saw or tell them what I read. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: And if you if you just let them know like
Speaker 1: you did this in that line, then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got it, My point got across, and then they're
Speaker 1: willing to listen to Now let's try.
Speaker 2: It this way. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Or you say what you saw and it isn't what
Speaker 1: they get and then they know like it's not getting
Speaker 1: out like it's right. I get that to be sad,
Speaker 1: you know, and you said I was confused, what do
Speaker 1: you mean? You know, and then they're like oh, and
Speaker 1: then you're communicating, you know, then you can adjust. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I just like running out and being like you did
Speaker 1: this thing with this and blah blah blah. And it's
Speaker 1: just sort of you know, telling them acknowledging like I
Speaker 1: saw that, and then they'll be like cool, you get me.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, I'm doing completely different right right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got that.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of that for me. I'm
Speaker 2: always like, we got that.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 3: I love it. Yes, I always start with, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I love that. That was great. I loved what you
Speaker 3: did there. Now let's do it this way.
Speaker 2: You're overwhelmingly positive, right I am.
Speaker 3: I'm too Oh overwhelming. I'm just you should want to
Speaker 3: slap me in the face with how excited I am
Speaker 3: about everything you're doing.
Speaker 2: I never tell somebody they did a bad like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would never. It's just not worth it.
Speaker 1: It's just like you, how many more bullets do you
Speaker 1: have in your gun? You know, like, let's just keep
Speaker 1: going like that was great.
Speaker 3: Even if it was, so sometimes it's not. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like it's like if you're alerting, you think about
Speaker 3: everything the actor has to do out there. It is
Speaker 3: like a dance every time because they have to they
Speaker 3: have to know where to hit their marks, they have
Speaker 3: to pick up their props, they have to hit the
Speaker 3: jokes with the certain intonation that's going to get the laugh.
Speaker 3: They have to listen to the person, they have to
Speaker 3: hold for the laughs like they've learned a dance, and
Speaker 3: and sometimes they're still thinking about the step right before,
Speaker 3: like their brain they're not it fully in the moment
Speaker 3: because they're like, did I do that? If even for
Speaker 3: a second, your brain goes, did I grab that prop
Speaker 3: at the right time, you're out, and then the next
Speaker 3: line may not be as funny as it it was
Speaker 3: as it normally would have been. But so I see
Speaker 3: all of that. So even like there isn't really a
Speaker 3: bad it's just it wasn't it wasn't the perfect in sync.
Speaker 3: It wasn't perfectly in sync, and so let's do it
Speaker 3: again until we get the dance in sync, and then
Speaker 3: you'll hit all the beats. And like on a sitcom,
Speaker 3: you have the full week to work there like on
Speaker 3: a film set, it was so much harder. And you,
Speaker 3: when I directed that movie for two Be Classmates, you
Speaker 3: were the person who told me, like, you're going to
Speaker 3: find that you don't have much time for blocking, and
Speaker 3: yet your actors are going to want to feel like
Speaker 3: they have a hand in it. But really, what you
Speaker 3: have time to do is walk in and go. You're
Speaker 3: going to sit here, Then you're going to walk there,
Speaker 3: and you're going to stand and you're gonna talk it.
Speaker 1: It's like, because we only have five minutes to shoot
Speaker 1: and we can only shoot this direction.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Oh it's so yes, And it's.
Speaker 3: So frustrating because you want them to feel like they
Speaker 3: have agency and that they're a part of the collaborative process.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I for so many reasons, I prefer
Speaker 3: the sitcom set up. I also like to involve actors
Speaker 3: on a sitcom in as many especially if there's something
Speaker 3: emotional going on for them, a big story arc or
Speaker 3: something big happening from the very beginning of the week,
Speaker 3: involving them in the planning process as much as possible
Speaker 3: for when we shoot it, and where would you do
Speaker 3: you do you want us to get a couple of
Speaker 3: gos at this where we're not focusing on your coverage
Speaker 3: and then so nice and then go and then go
Speaker 3: to you. You know, I'll let you know so you
Speaker 3: can save the emotion or do you want to do
Speaker 3: it right off the bat? Are you going to come
Speaker 3: in from your dressing room having pretty ready to go
Speaker 3: and we'll start with you and everything.
Speaker 1: We'll just focus on every interest question Like that must
Speaker 1: make actors feel so good because yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3: I don't you know this, This whole thing is going
Speaker 3: to revolve around you feeling your best in the moment,
Speaker 3: and we all want a great performance. You want to
Speaker 3: give a good performance, so just tell us that you
Speaker 3: up for that success.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, and it's so funny because every
Speaker 1: actor is different, right, Like there's so many different types
Speaker 1: of actors. There are those actors who are like day one,
Speaker 1: I know exactly every lie. I mean, like Bill Daniels, right,
Speaker 1: he showed up at the day of Wreed. He knew
Speaker 1: exactly every intonation, every inflection, and it never changed, no,
Speaker 1: and it never had to. That's what's crazy is that
Speaker 1: he was able to make that seem fresh and alive
Speaker 1: and deliver perfect you know, like unless he got a note,
Speaker 1: he was not going to change. And I don't even
Speaker 1: think Michael really ever gave him notes. I mean I
Speaker 1: don't remember that, like oh or yeah, it's so crazy,
Speaker 1: like so Bill was just like you know, and looking
Speaker 1: back now, he's such an amazing actors.
Speaker 2: Like it still feels alive.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And then there are other actors who are
Speaker 1: like different every time show up, and it's like or
Speaker 1: then there are some actors who just start out with
Speaker 1: nothing and you're like, oh, we know, in any what.
Speaker 2: Are we going to do? And then the day of
Speaker 2: what happens like magic shows up.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's a magical, mysterious process.
Speaker 3: And and like we talked about on doing sitcoms, if
Speaker 3: you only have one week you have you could never
Speaker 3: you can't adjust because after the first week you go,
Speaker 3: I see, I've now learned every actor on this set
Speaker 3: and what they need.
Speaker 2: To bring a whole new director, right, and that's like.
Speaker 3: You're out of here. So you you know, it really
Speaker 3: really helps to get more than one episode of something
Speaker 3: if you want to leave a good, good impression.
Speaker 1: Well, And I also just love that like who we
Speaker 1: thought was a great director.
Speaker 2: Was entirely based on how they treated us. We had
Speaker 2: no idea what's.
Speaker 1: Going on behind the scenes, behind production and camera, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, once I started directing, it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a whole other fifty percent of this job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the actors will never know about her. And it's like,
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to pick your team.
Speaker 2: Who might you know? You want to please everybody, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll always side with.
Speaker 3: The actors, but say blackwise, also as long as I
Speaker 3: have the shots there, as long as the editor has
Speaker 3: the shots to choose from. Executives and showrunners would do
Speaker 3: really well to stick with directors their actors, Like yes,
Speaker 3: because the energy throughout the whole week and throughout the
Speaker 3: whole process is going to be better when they're happy
Speaker 3: with who is at the helm. And unless when you
Speaker 3: get into the editing room you're like, this person may
Speaker 3: be great to work with, but they're not getting anything
Speaker 3: on camera. That that's who you should that's who you
Speaker 3: should continue to hire. So I love geeking out about
Speaker 3: directing with you is so fun. We're gonna miss Wilfred
Speaker 3: Dell today, but we're gonna have as much fun as possible.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel fishal, I'm right
Speaker 3: or strong, and we have no seat for c. So
Speaker 3: if you spend any time on TikTok, you are sure
Speaker 3: to see a throwback scene with this week's guest involved
Speaker 3: in some wild storyline like Jessica bial going from popular
Speaker 3: basketball star to vandalizing a school, stealing money, getting fired
Speaker 3: from her job, and moving to Buffalo. And that was
Speaker 3: all in one season. Seventh Heaven may now look like
Speaker 3: the most unhinged drama ever aired on television, but it
Speaker 3: aired for eleven seasons from nineteen ninety six to two
Speaker 3: thousand and seven, making it the longest running family drama
Speaker 3: of all time.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, that's wow. Okay. See when I saw that
Speaker 2: she had done two hundred.
Speaker 1: And fifty two episodes, I was like, that's bonkers, and
Speaker 1: it is okay.
Speaker 3: It really is longest running family drama of all time.
Speaker 3: It's also the only show to have a character threatened
Speaker 3: to jump off a roof because his mom made him
Speaker 3: wear bad pants. What oh my god, this sounds like
Speaker 3: something Adler would do. I will not wear these vants.
Speaker 3: The world also knows our guest from movies like The Crow,
Speaker 3: City of Angels, Saw Too, and a film I am
Speaker 3: most definitely going to ask her about called the Dog
Speaker 3: Who Saved Easter. She was also seen on TV shows
Speaker 3: like The Secret Life of the American Teenager, Hollywood Darlings,
Speaker 3: which Wilfredell guests starred on, and The d Coom Right
Speaker 3: on Track with Bree Larson, a fellow child actor who
Speaker 3: is genuinely one of the nicest people around. This week
Speaker 3: on Pod Meets World, it's Beverly Mitchell.
Speaker 4: How how are you.
Speaker 3: We're so sorry that it's just the two of us
Speaker 3: and there's no fun. Wilfredell in the room.
Speaker 4: With us list that's okay. You guys are just is fun.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know about it. I Beverly, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for joining us. I coure not that long ago.
Speaker 3: Spent five or so weeks cheering you on from my
Speaker 3: couch as you defied death doing military drills on Special Forces.
Speaker 4: I mean I did not think that through.
Speaker 3: Okay, I need I want to know about this when
Speaker 3: they came to you, So writer, do you know about
Speaker 3: special Forces?
Speaker 1: I think I've heard about this is where they like
Speaker 1: trained you to be like a Navy seal basically, or.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they they yes, they try and.
Speaker 1: Do you get kicked off if you can't do stuff
Speaker 1: or do you just have to do this workout no
Speaker 1: matter what?
Speaker 4: No, No, yeah, you if you can't perform a task
Speaker 4: or won't perform a task, you are asked to leave.
Speaker 4: And they can at any point in time pull you
Speaker 4: if they just think.
Speaker 2: Your life is in dangerous you can't do it. Number one.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the second they were like carry this
Speaker 1: from here to here, I'm like done.
Speaker 4: It was it was so bizarre because when they called
Speaker 4: I was like.
Speaker 2: Are you sure, Like do you have the right Beverly Mitchell?
Speaker 4: And then I was thinking. I was like, well, there's
Speaker 4: not very many Beverly's right, right. And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's I get it. I'm the first to be picked off.
Speaker 4: Like that's why they're calling me. They like need an
Speaker 4: easy like sacrificial lamb, and so that's what I thought.
Speaker 4: And they're like, no, we just really want you, guys
Speaker 4: to like we want you the whole point of it.
Speaker 4: And what was so intriguing about it was They're like,
Speaker 4: we want you to see what you're made of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like that's curious, right.
Speaker 4: Never really done that. And we had such a killer
Speaker 4: cast except for I was with all Olympians like I
Speaker 4: was with like Dwight Howard. You know, he's done well
Speaker 4: for himself. I've got Mascia Lucan who one Olympic medal.
Speaker 4: I've got Danny Amadola, he's got a few. Uh yeah,
Speaker 4: he super Bowl rings. You know. I've got like we
Speaker 4: literally I Melby, who's just like incredible.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: We've got Gus Kenworthy, another Olympian, Mike Piazza. He's one
Speaker 4: you know like me, But I.
Speaker 3: Know I didn't. One of the coaches come out recently
Speaker 3: and say that you were one of the toughest competitors
Speaker 3: he's ever worked with.
Speaker 4: That was Billy, And I think it's because they kept saying,
Speaker 4: like from the get go, we thought you were gonna die.
Speaker 4: We always thought you were.
Speaker 3: We were like, she's not gonna make it.
Speaker 4: So that's what they said. They said. They're like they're
Speaker 4: like there was no after night one. They're like, there's
Speaker 4: no way you were going to make it through the night.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I was hell bent on giving
Speaker 4: everything I had and even when I left, like I
Speaker 4: was talking to Carly Lloyd again, another superhero, and she's like,
Speaker 4: no bev. It was like time to leave, like we
Speaker 4: were going to like you needed to go. They're like
Speaker 4: you had pushed yourself so far. We were afraid that you,
Speaker 4: like we were afraid for you. And I was like,
Speaker 4: I think that's a couple of it.
Speaker 3: But what was the most difficult aspect of.
Speaker 4: It, honestly the mental? It was the mental. I mean
Speaker 4: I wasn't physically I knew I wasn't physically strong enough.
Speaker 4: Like I got the call and had one week to prepare,
Speaker 4: and I one week of preparing was like in full
Speaker 4: Mammy dum. So I was like I put my kid
Speaker 4: on my back and walked around my kid's soccer practice
Speaker 4: and that was like my training. Where these other athletes
Speaker 4: had been like hitting the gym and had like great
Speaker 4: corese strength and had like worked their asses off, and
Speaker 4: I literally like, in the one hour that my kids
Speaker 4: had soccer practice, I've got my kid on my back
Speaker 4: and I'm trying to like right, run some drills, Yeah,
Speaker 4: do a trick, And that's that's the That's the the
Speaker 4: amount of training I had for it. But I knew
Speaker 4: that mentally, if I could just stay strong and stay
Speaker 4: focused and work on believing in myself because I think
Speaker 4: in our industry it's so hard and we're told so
Speaker 4: many things for so long that you begin to believe
Speaker 4: everything you're told. And I've never really kind of dove
Speaker 4: into that exploration of like, no, I am tough, No
Speaker 4: I do belong, No I am stronger than I think,
Speaker 4: and I can do hard things. And so that was
Speaker 4: what that whole experience was for me. I was kind
Speaker 4: of the realization like, no, I'm a survivor. I can
Speaker 4: and I can uplift and I can be there for
Speaker 4: my fellow like recruits. And I loved that. I loved
Speaker 4: the family unit that we all created in this. And
Speaker 4: we were in Jordan. We were in the Wadi Rum desert,
Speaker 4: so wow, we were very far away.
Speaker 2: So how long did you last? How long were you
Speaker 2: out there?
Speaker 4: I made it to day four and it was which
Speaker 4: doesn't sound very doesn't sound like it was very far.
Speaker 4: I felt like four months. Yeah, right, because you don't
Speaker 4: like you're on all day long.
Speaker 3: The whole thing is ten days.
Speaker 4: It's ten days. Ours was ten days, okay, And two
Speaker 4: women made it to the end, Hannah Brown and Carly Lloyd,
Speaker 4: and I I'm so freaking proud of them because they
Speaker 4: were tough as nails and they beat Amy, Danny Amidola
Speaker 4: and Dwight Howard.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: And I was just really proud of like the women
Speaker 4: who how we showed up and how we powered through
Speaker 4: and what we were able to accomplish.
Speaker 3: Good for you, man, that was really fun so incredible
Speaker 3: and what a great what a great image for your
Speaker 3: kids to see of you, you know.
Speaker 4: It was It was really cool because I think oftentimes
Speaker 4: like I'm like, I'm not the one that's sport. I'm
Speaker 4: not the one that's out there skiing with them. I'm
Speaker 4: not you know, take them everywhere and do everything. But
Speaker 4: I'm not the one that's active. Like their dad is
Speaker 4: like far he's the athlete, and I'm never was because
Speaker 4: I was on stead. We couldn't do that because we'd get.
Speaker 3: In trouble, correct.
Speaker 4: Like you know. So it was nice for them to
Speaker 4: be able to see. And it was funny too because
Speaker 4: when they asked me, They're like, are you afraid of heights?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Right, I've never been.
Speaker 4: I don't know. They're like, okay, well, we're gonna make
Speaker 4: you cross a ravine. You're gonna be two hundred feet
Speaker 4: up in the air and you're just gonna be on
Speaker 4: a tightrope and you're just gonna go for it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, yeah, OK, then guess what. I
Speaker 3: am afraid of heights.
Speaker 4: And then they're like, they're like are you They're like,
Speaker 4: are you afraid of water? And I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to drown. And then the next thing
Speaker 4: they do is they put us in a humby and
Speaker 4: submerges water, and.
Speaker 3: Kids watching that gave me. I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, O my god, my it was terrifying.
Speaker 4: What's funny, though, is like if you ask me to
Speaker 4: do normal things on a normal day, I'm like, I
Speaker 4: will not walk across the street. There's a risk of
Speaker 4: getting hit by a car. But yet I will go
Speaker 4: in a hummer and be submerged and be told by
Speaker 4: these like special forces guys like.
Speaker 3: You'll be safe, You'll be okay, you'll be fine.
Speaker 4: And I and as I was doing it, and I
Speaker 4: was like, no, I'll just I'm gonna do it. I'll
Speaker 4: try it. I'm like, hope I don't die, but I
Speaker 4: could do it. It was crazy, But it's also the mentality
Speaker 4: shifts because like normally you would like wouldn't do any
Speaker 4: of these things that they tell you to do, but
Speaker 4: then because of who you're with, you're like, all right,
Speaker 4: let's let's try it.
Speaker 1: But I also wonder how much of that comes from,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's there's a certain level of courage
Speaker 1: or recklessness of about being an actor, right, like you
Speaker 1: just have to oh what And you know, as since
Speaker 1: we started as kids, like we always have to be
Speaker 1: game to just jump into the scene and do the
Speaker 1: thing or put on the wacky clothes, whatever it is
Speaker 1: that we're being asked to do. So I wonder how
Speaker 1: much of that was just like, well, the show must
Speaker 1: go on, how to jump in them vie.
Speaker 4: And you know what's also weird too, is because you know,
Speaker 4: on the reality side of it too, I realized, like
Speaker 4: how much more comfortable I am being vulnerable in front
Speaker 4: of a camera than I am interesting, So I'm like,
Speaker 4: what kind of messed up world am I that? I'm like,
Speaker 4: I have a lot of trauma I need to talk about.
Speaker 4: Put a camera on me, let's discuss it. And then
Speaker 4: I'm like just like here it is, and that's sad,
Speaker 4: but that is honestly, like if I think of all
Speaker 4: my most vulnerable moments in my life have been captured
Speaker 4: on camera, whether it's coming through playing a character. Like
Speaker 4: we had an episode where my friend passed away in
Speaker 4: the show on Seventh Heaven, and that had happened to
Speaker 4: me and it was written based on my experience, but
Speaker 4: I hadn't cried until the camera's rolled and until I
Speaker 4: was able to step into that space, because that's where
Speaker 4: my safe space is. My safe space is in front
Speaker 4: of cameras because we've been doing it. I've been doing
Speaker 4: it since I was four.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So really, there should be an actor therapist's office in
Speaker 1: LA where they.
Speaker 2: Just have a full crew and the camera set up.
Speaker 4: And then I think we would all be game.
Speaker 3: We'll be like, wow, yeah it is oh my god,
Speaker 3: and the team can just be for you. It doesn't
Speaker 3: have to go over just for you, just to create the.
Speaker 2: Right space so you get into the zone.
Speaker 4: But isn't it weird though, Like how just also how
Speaker 4: conditioned we are to also knowing and being so comfortable
Speaker 4: because that's also what everybody's like, I would be so
Speaker 4: uncomfortable with cameras. I'm like, I am more comfortable with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So when when they took this part of
Speaker 1: your real life because they you know, we've talked about
Speaker 1: how employments world, they did some of that too.
Speaker 2: How did you feel about that? Did they like ask
Speaker 2: if it was okay?
Speaker 4: Or she asked Brenda Hampton, who is our writer and
Speaker 4: creator and through the whole eleven seasons, mind.
Speaker 3: You, which is wow.
Speaker 4: There we had her the whole time. She she asked me,
Speaker 4: it was because it was right after our our first
Speaker 4: season that my friend passed away, and the next season,
Speaker 4: She's like, I just think that there's an important story
Speaker 4: to tell. Would you be willing to do this? And
Speaker 4: you know, obviously like at that point in time too,
Speaker 4: I was like wanting just to make my boss happy.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yes, it is, yeah, of course, of course,
Speaker 4: And I'm glad I did. I'm glad that I was
Speaker 4: able to like give that opportunity to tell that story
Speaker 4: because it was it was important for me for healing.
Speaker 4: And then I also think it was great for the
Speaker 4: audience because I've had a lot of people come up
Speaker 4: and said, you know, that episode really like impacted me
Speaker 4: because unfortunately, like kids in cars, it's really damn scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it's it is interesting. And also
Speaker 4: after eleven years, so much of our lives overlapped into
Speaker 4: our character stories, because how can it not, because just
Speaker 4: life happens. I mean, it's with you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's impossible for it not to. They're
Speaker 3: they're trying to tell you know. I think now of
Speaker 3: like being forty four years old and trying to write
Speaker 3: for a fourteen year old, how would I not be like, wait,
Speaker 3: hold on, what's going on in your real life? I think,
Speaker 3: why don't we why don't we use this? Because like
Speaker 3: you don't, I can? I can? I was I was
Speaker 3: just watching a TikTok where someone was talking about how
Speaker 3: that the older you get, the harder it is to
Speaker 3: tap into the emotions and what it actually felt like
Speaker 3: to be a young person totally, and like I can.
Speaker 3: I can, like, in a vague sense remember what it
Speaker 3: felt like to be a teen, But the farther I
Speaker 3: get from it, the harder it is to actually bring
Speaker 3: myself back to the feelings. So yes, of course you
Speaker 3: want to use those kids. Ask the kids what are
Speaker 3: they doing?
Speaker 1: And then they're also usually we also are usually cast
Speaker 1: because we kind of are a type or we give
Speaker 1: off a vibe that is the character, right, So because
Speaker 1: I mean that the act part is a little less
Speaker 1: evolved because you're just less evolved. So you're gonna get
Speaker 1: cast because you kind of are hopefully someone in the
Speaker 1: wheelhouse of this person and they trust that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And it's funny because everybody's always like, how how
Speaker 4: different are you from your character? I'm like, honestly, like
Speaker 4: I'm not really sure where Lucy ends and where beveryone.
Speaker 4: There's so much in the open, and I'm like, also
Speaker 4: when you're something for eleven years, like yeah's you know,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I wasn't playing a bad character, so
Speaker 4: I you know, it was a.
Speaker 3: We're very connected, Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: I think like that's what when David Mack and I
Speaker 4: talk and when we've been watching the show back on
Speaker 4: our podccast, Yeah, casting up with the camp Dens. We
Speaker 4: it's been it's been really funny. And also there's so
Speaker 4: much that I think, I'm sure you guys relate that
Speaker 4: the audience remembers the stories so differently than we do,
Speaker 4: and so when we're like they have the show, we
Speaker 4: have the experience. But it's like also because people are like,
Speaker 4: what's your favorite episode I'm like, it wasn't an episode
Speaker 4: for me. It was life experience. Is what happened outside
Speaker 4: of the episode. That is what I remember, not because
Speaker 4: I even half of these episodes were watching. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't remember that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: What did what?
Speaker 3: What were we doing?
Speaker 4: What were we thinking? But other things I remember in
Speaker 4: the wardrobe room picking out, having my array of Dickies
Speaker 4: because that's when Dickies were in, and I had every
Speaker 4: single color Dickis and I had every single color Juicy
Speaker 4: couture because that was the best part of wardrobe is
Speaker 4: like basically getting them to buy what you liked and
Speaker 4: then borrow it on the weekends exactly. It was the
Speaker 4: best part. It was like a free closet. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: You guys were single camera, which is also very different
Speaker 1: because it means that you know, with a cast, everybody
Speaker 1: could be having completely different experiences per episode. You would
Speaker 1: never have seen even what like yeah see, we at
Speaker 1: least had like show night where everybody came together and
Speaker 1: we had run throughs.
Speaker 2: So it was the sense of continuity.
Speaker 1: So it must be so crazy to talk back now
Speaker 1: and be like, where were you that week?
Speaker 2: What were you doing? And have completely different experiences.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because there were days where, like you know,
Speaker 4: especially if there's sometimes where we didn't even see other
Speaker 4: actors because they weren't in our storyline for that episode.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was. It was. And it was also
Speaker 4: long because we took eight eight days to shoot an episode,
Speaker 4: so it took us a lot longer. But I mean
Speaker 4: that being said, we were still the dream drama because
Speaker 4: like we were, we would actually work. We wouldn't work
Speaker 4: a really long day. We were we were the show
Speaker 4: that you could possibly in the later years, not in
Speaker 4: the early years, but in the later years, we could
Speaker 4: get be done by lunch. Really, yeah, what we were
Speaker 4: we were so fast. We were like, let's take some time,
Speaker 4: I hold us for one shot after lunch because we
Speaker 4: had to, like we had to basically keep everybody till
Speaker 4: after lunch. But we we were so efficient. But that's because,
Speaker 4: like we were the well oiled machine. So when people
Speaker 4: came and guest starred on our show, they're like, what
Speaker 4: is this magic? And how can we come back here?
Speaker 4: Because this is the easiest job we've ever done.
Speaker 1: I want to hear about this, mat hold on, So wait,
Speaker 1: you were shooting okay, where were you shooting you were
Speaker 1: on We.
Speaker 4: Were in Santa Monica. We were in an abandon it
Speaker 4: was they made garage doors. Okay, that's what the Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was an abandoned warehouse, okay, had and they turned
Speaker 4: it into a sound stage. We worked for Aaron Spelling,
Speaker 4: so he was frugal, which is why he was so successful.
Speaker 4: But we kind of were on our own little island.
Speaker 4: We didn't have anybody with us.
Speaker 2: It was just us, and most of it was on
Speaker 2: the stage.
Speaker 3: Like you most of us was on stage.
Speaker 4: And they started to build all of our sets, like
Speaker 4: you know, we'd have the outdoor promenade, they'd build that,
Speaker 4: then they built the backyard, and they built that in
Speaker 4: the back so we literally like rarely had to leave
Speaker 4: our little home in Santa Monica.
Speaker 1: And then were you truly single camera or did you
Speaker 1: guys have more than one?
Speaker 4: At the beginning, we were truly were single. And then
Speaker 4: we'd start to have like two cameras that we'd set
Speaker 4: up at the same time, but you know, we couldn't
Speaker 4: always use them based on the shot. The hard part
Speaker 4: at the beginning was just we had so many kids.
Speaker 4: There were so many of us that were I was
Speaker 4: Barry was obviously an adult, but then I was the oldest.
Speaker 4: Then it came Jesse, who was a year younger than me.
Speaker 3: Were you when you started?
Speaker 4: I started when I was fifteen, Jesse was fourteen, David
Speaker 4: was ten, and Mac was six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 4: So we had lots of kids and a dog, you know,
Speaker 4: and they always say like, don't do a show with
Speaker 4: kids and.
Speaker 3: Dogs, kids and animals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, kids and animals, any animals.
Speaker 3: And he was like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So so for the the joke is like for the
Speaker 4: first season, like Barry basically worked with a lot of
Speaker 4: c stands because.
Speaker 2: Kids after nine and a half hours, And.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was funny because even when we were talking
Speaker 4: to him and he's like, I don't remember you guys
Speaker 4: working with you guys, so like I don't think you
Speaker 4: guys were all that great. And I was like what
Speaker 4: do you mean and he's like, well, I never worked
Speaker 4: with you, and I'm like that's not true. I'm like
Speaker 4: this you did, and he's like, you guys were always
Speaker 4: in school. He's like, you guys always had to leave.
Speaker 3: But so then we're the rest of you were you
Speaker 3: guys all then in scenes together? The kids because how
Speaker 3: did you get to know each other and become comfortable
Speaker 3: and develop chemistry.
Speaker 4: Jesse and I were always in the school room together
Speaker 4: because we were also the closest in aid, so a
Speaker 4: lot of our scenes were always together. And then Mac
Speaker 4: and David had a lot of their stuff together. And
Speaker 4: I mean we we did spend a lot of time together,
Speaker 4: and we did we became truly a family because as
Speaker 4: you do when you share an experience that no one
Speaker 4: else in the world will ever understand. And it's funny
Speaker 4: because after all these years, because our show ended in
Speaker 4: two thousand and seven, and after all these years, like
Speaker 4: when we all got back together, it was like no
Speaker 4: time had passed. Yeah, and you know at those nineties
Speaker 4: cons like when you it's just it's the best reunion.
Speaker 4: And then also the reunion with other shows has always
Speaker 4: been fun because we have this it's like going to
Speaker 4: high school and it's like a high school reunion with
Speaker 4: all these people who at some point in time we've
Speaker 4: kind of come into paths with, maybe not have been
Speaker 4: the best of friends, but like definitely have a mutual
Speaker 4: understanding and relationship and friendship, and it's it's always so
Speaker 4: fun to connect and like to connect with you guys,
Speaker 4: because it's like I was watching you guys too, you know,
Speaker 4: and we have this understanding of what life looked like back.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that's what I say. It's like high school
Speaker 3: every time. Like I just imagine, you know, when you
Speaker 3: meet people who you who grew up in the same
Speaker 3: neighborhood you did, and you just instantly feel a shorthand
Speaker 3: with them. You're like, right, we we we know all
Speaker 3: the same stores and restaurants and people and neighbors. Like
Speaker 3: I already know you, even if you weren't friends with
Speaker 3: the with other fellow actors in the nineties or whatever,
Speaker 3: there is a just a shorthand.
Speaker 4: Well, and there's like such an overlap. There's an overlap
Speaker 4: of people like Andrew Keegan. But I mean he was
Speaker 4: on every nineties show. Are you sure was?
Speaker 2: But he was for a while on your show, right
Speaker 2: he was?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was Jesse's boyfriend. He had a kid on
Speaker 4: our show.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, he had a kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a kid, Wilson. Actually he was. And
Speaker 4: he was in the episode where my friend passed away.
Speaker 4: He was. He was in that episode. And because I
Speaker 4: think his girlfriend or wife or baby mama, and I
Speaker 4: think that's what he was, like he was in a
Speaker 4: group where we were talking about death and healing and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But I was, yeah, you know, it's it's always so
Speaker 4: funny and even like uh, Jody Sweeten and Christine Linkn
Speaker 4: and we did Hollywood Darlings together, but like it's you know,
Speaker 4: this little world that we live in is just such
Speaker 4: a silly, like fun magical. It was such a good time.
Speaker 4: Like I feel sad for all the young actors today,
Speaker 4: but they don't get what we got. I know, because
Speaker 4: we had it. We had it the best.
Speaker 3: We really did, for sure, we did so much of
Speaker 3: the show has become like TikTok infamy, pulling clips of
Speaker 3: just the most ridiculous moments. At the time that you
Speaker 3: were shooting it, did you know that some of the
Speaker 3: storylines were a little maybe unhinged, or were you guys
Speaker 3: talking about some of the crazier storylines or did it
Speaker 3: just feel normal?
Speaker 4: I mean I think that, yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 4: there's some things that were like okay, But you know,
Speaker 4: I think also I was like such the like I
Speaker 4: will do whatever you say, like I am people, please it,
Speaker 4: I am on it, Like I will not question you.
Speaker 4: I do not question authority. I am here to do
Speaker 4: whatever I'm supposed to do. It is funny though, watching
Speaker 4: it back and also seeing some things that aged well
Speaker 4: and some things that definitely didn't. Yeah, and that's that's fun.
Speaker 4: And I mean I think we also knew we were
Speaker 4: a drama, but we weren't. We were also comedic. There
Speaker 4: was definitely like we didn't take ourselves too seriously. We
Speaker 4: knew how to play it. And Bury jokes that like
Speaker 4: the times were like he couldn't really like relate to
Speaker 4: the character. He just would like go to another place.
Speaker 4: And and that's also what made his performance so great
Speaker 4: is that like he never took it too serious, which
Speaker 4: is what I think allows the content to be delivered
Speaker 4: in such a way that people can understand it and
Speaker 4: enjoy it. But like, yes, Rob Anderson has had an
Speaker 4: absolute field day with us, and it is fun because
Speaker 4: when I started seeing those videos, I was like, I
Speaker 4: am in, I want in, let me let me do
Speaker 4: a video with you because this is just ridiculous and
Speaker 4: fun and we don't take ourselves very seriously at also
Speaker 4: like let's have some fun with this. And he came
Speaker 4: on the show too, and we did a rewatch with him, which.
Speaker 3: Was fun, too great, That is so fun.
Speaker 4: He had a lot to say.
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite thing that you look back
Speaker 1: now and say, oh, that was pretty absurd?
Speaker 2: Like we we took it to an extreme.
Speaker 4: I mean the I smoked pot is like epic with
Speaker 4: Annie and just the the extreme of like what they
Speaker 4: were making marijuana. I would do, be right, what is just?
Speaker 4: And like I think we just watched an episode two
Speaker 4: where like tattoos were basically like if you have a tattoo,
Speaker 4: then you are a criminal.
Speaker 3: Course right, So.
Speaker 4: I'm a criminal because I have a tattoo. And I'm
Speaker 4: also the dumb one that got it off the wall
Speaker 4: because I was just trying to be rebellious and I
Speaker 4: did that too, looks good?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just like and just the other day,
Speaker 4: Jesse was with us and she was like, she was like,
Speaker 4: I still don't understand how you did that. I was like,
Speaker 4: you were with me. Why didn't you tell me that
Speaker 4: you didn't do that with me?
Speaker 3: Why didn't you stop me?
Speaker 4: She's like I was afraid of you, and she's like,
Speaker 4: you decided something. I wasn't ever going to go against you.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, that's when I needed you,
Speaker 4: like you needed to step up and be my sister
Speaker 4: and tell me I'm an idiot. She's like, you never listened.
Speaker 3: I was like true, valid, yeah, valid, valid.
Speaker 4: Point yeah.
Speaker 2: Fair.
Speaker 3: The show ran from nineteen ninety six to two thousand
Speaker 3: and seven, taking up over a decade of your life.
Speaker 3: I mean, you truly grew up on this show.
Speaker 4: Truly.
Speaker 3: Did you ever feel burnout? Did you ever think I
Speaker 3: don't want to do this anymore? How did you avoid that?
Speaker 4: If not, no, I didn't. I think it's because I
Speaker 4: had wanted that for so long, and I was so
Speaker 4: just eternally grateful. So I had gratitude every day that
Speaker 4: I had a job and I got to work with
Speaker 4: amazing people. And much of our crew was from day one,
Speaker 4: so we started and ended with a lot of crew members,
Speaker 4: or if we didn't end with that specific crew member,
Speaker 4: we ended with their children and their kids that had
Speaker 4: come in and joined them on our crew. So I
Speaker 4: never did have burnout. I never And again I'm a loyalist,
Speaker 4: to the loyalist of a degree like I when I
Speaker 4: say I'm right or die, I am there till the end,
Speaker 4: till that last wave is gone, and so I always
Speaker 4: knew that, like I would be on every episode and
Speaker 4: I would be there to the end, and I loved it.
Speaker 4: And a lot of people would say, like that was
Speaker 4: career suicide. You're supposed to go off, you're supposed to
Speaker 4: go in the height and like go take other opportunities,
Speaker 4: But to who I am was like I knew that
Speaker 4: this was the first person who really gave me like
Speaker 4: my biggest shot, and I wanted to be there to
Speaker 4: say thank you and write it to the very end
Speaker 4: as because if it wasn't for Brenda, then I wouldn't
Speaker 4: have the life I have, and if it wasn't for
Speaker 4: the fans watching the show, like I owed it to
Speaker 4: them to see where Lucy it went, and everyone does
Speaker 4: their own thing and that's completely fine, but for me,
Speaker 4: I needed to be there from the beginning to and
Speaker 4: actually even after the show ended, Brenda went on to
Speaker 4: do The Secret Life of the American Teenager with majority
Speaker 4: of our crew, and I went over to that show
Speaker 4: and did quite a few episodes with them, which was fun.
Speaker 4: And originally when she brought me over, she's like, you're
Speaker 4: gonna be the high school counselor. I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: and she's like, and I need you to talk to
Speaker 4: the kids. I'm like in the show, and she's like, no,
Speaker 4: outside the show. I need you to talk to them.
Speaker 4: I need you to explain to them how this works.
Speaker 4: And I need you to explain to them how we're
Speaker 4: gonna how we're expected to behave and how to be
Speaker 4: smart and how to make not not make them choices
Speaker 4: and don't get into trouble. And I was like, whoa wait,
Speaker 4: am I a counselor on the show or am my
Speaker 4: counselor real life? She's like both.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's actually really sweet.
Speaker 4: She's like I just want you to like guide them
Speaker 4: and tell them like don't go spend all your money,
Speaker 4: like yeah, be very smart, think like in long term,
Speaker 4: like you can't guarantee that this is gonna be forever,
Speaker 4: like you need to. And I was like, okay, got it.
Speaker 4: I will come on as big sister and start having coffee, right.
Speaker 3: That's so much responsibility. She obviously loves you and trusts you,
Speaker 3: and a compliment it is.
Speaker 4: And I've I've always had a really great relationship with Brenda,
Speaker 4: and I still to this day chat with her and
Speaker 4: check in on her and so yeah, and like you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's it's weird because I also don't feel like
Speaker 4: I'm forty four. I don't feel like I'm grown up yet.
Speaker 4: Don't you guys feel that. I'm like, I'm still not still.
Speaker 4: I look at my kids and I'm like, I shouldn't
Speaker 4: be doing this.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm I shouldn't be listening to me.
Speaker 4: I don't think I am certified or.
Speaker 1: So. Having spent so much of your career basically with
Speaker 1: the same crew, the same cast, like, what has been
Speaker 1: like when you go on to work on another set,
Speaker 1: what has been like the biggest Like, Wow, I can't
Speaker 1: believe they don't do it the way we did it
Speaker 1: on Seventh Heaven Likes, is there something you can point
Speaker 1: to that's like, is it just the hours but it
Speaker 1: takes so long?
Speaker 4: No, it's not necessary the hours. Sometimes it's more just
Speaker 4: what I've always been shocked about is like I also
Speaker 4: am the one that like gets in there and does things,
Speaker 4: so like if I see something as like something somebody
Speaker 4: needs help, like I will just do it. Like I don't.
Speaker 4: I can't. I'm not very good at like sitting in
Speaker 4: my chair and just like waiting right, So I think
Speaker 4: I actually don't look at sets like that they're doing
Speaker 4: anything wrong. But what I would say is what I've
Speaker 4: learned is how to be more efficient. So I'm always
Speaker 4: trying to help being like, here's how we can save time,
Speaker 4: here's how we can do other setups, here's how we
Speaker 4: can do this, or ooh, how about you try it
Speaker 4: this way and maybe you might have more success. So
Speaker 4: I think what I find is like I have an
Speaker 4: inability to sit still and to stay in my lane
Speaker 4: because like my husband says, he goes, you don't have
Speaker 4: a line, it's a whole freaking highway, because I just can't.
Speaker 4: But I think it's also I mean, it's you guys. Now,
Speaker 4: it's we've experienced so much. We've we've been schooled by
Speaker 4: the best school that you can go to, which is working.
Speaker 4: And so oftentimes you go on some of these sets
Speaker 4: and if you're not on a huge, multimillion dollar film
Speaker 4: and you're on like a little lower budget film, like
Speaker 4: they're not as experienced. They don't have they haven't been schooled,
Speaker 4: they haven't learned, and they haven't had the teachers that
Speaker 4: we've had. So now it's interesting being the teacher and
Speaker 4: coming in and talking to and helping. I actually just
Speaker 4: recently we moved to Colorado and I actually even had
Speaker 4: conversation with CEU and I'm like, hey, you have a
Speaker 4: film school. Can I come do something? And I was like,
Speaker 4: They're like, what do you want to do. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. What do you need? I can I
Speaker 4: can help. I don't know. I'm like, I can't tell
Speaker 4: you what I know, but I can tell you that
Speaker 4: I know a lot. So to start asking me questions
Speaker 4: and I am a wealth of knowledge.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's so great.
Speaker 4: It's just fun. I think it's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just I love what we do so much,
Speaker 4: and it's so much ingrained in my DNA that like,
Speaker 4: I can't just not be an actor. I can't not
Speaker 4: be a part of this business. I don't know how not.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to be anything else.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, we feel you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, as you mentioned, you're now rewatching Seventh Heaven with
Speaker 3: two of your co stars, David Gallagher and Mackenzie Rossmith
Speaker 3: for the podcast Catching Up with the Camdens. We know
Speaker 3: a little bit about the feeling of being forced to
Speaker 3: watch yourself as a child, Yes, acting. What has it
Speaker 3: been like for you?
Speaker 4: You know, it's quite refreshing. I mean it's like watching
Speaker 4: old home videos, yes, is what you know. We haven't
Speaker 4: quite we're still in season one. We're very slow because
Speaker 4: we were very hesitant and David we were arguing for
Speaker 4: a long time because we're the we were discussing the rewatch,
Speaker 4: whether it's a rewatch more like a recap, more like
Speaker 4: a rehash okay, because there was just a lot of
Speaker 4: arguments because we weren't actually watching it while we were
Speaker 4: on the podcast. We watch it before and then we
Speaker 4: would talk about it and he's very into like what
Speaker 4: that is supposed to be. But anyway, we've had a
Speaker 4: lot of fun and it's been it's a lot of
Speaker 4: sweet memories, to be honest, and it's also a lot
Speaker 4: our show had a lot of iconic older actors. We
Speaker 4: had Barbara Rush, we had Peter Graves, we had a
Speaker 4: lot of people who are no longer with us, so
Speaker 4: there was also it's been very touching just to like
Speaker 4: remember the opportunities we had and the lessons we learned
Speaker 4: from these people and rewatching the episodes. So it's been
Speaker 4: you know, it's very nostalgic it's very I think as
Speaker 4: much as the fans are loving it and enjoying it,
Speaker 4: has been really therapeutic for us as well because we
Speaker 4: did watch the first season, but there's a point in
Speaker 4: time where like all of us stopped watching the show.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna get to some episodes where we've.
Speaker 3: Usually really seen it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again, like you said, like some of our
Speaker 4: storylines didn't overlap, and so there's sometimes we're like you
Speaker 4: did what, Like even like you're saying that episode about Simon,
Speaker 4: I'm like, he did what? Like what I need to
Speaker 4: have a talk with David, Like what I don't remember that?
Speaker 4: But again, so it'll be fun to it's fun exploring
Speaker 4: and it's very sweet, and it's it's nice to just
Speaker 4: have these memories and with these amazing people who are
Speaker 4: family because I'm an only child, so I adopted a
Speaker 4: very large family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys. Also, Seventh Heaven has quite a few
Speaker 3: continuity issues, the same way Boy Meets World does.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Boy Meets World is famous for just changing things.
Speaker 3: They have siblings. Now those siblings are no longer there
Speaker 3: the you know where where we met we were four
Speaker 3: were we twelve.
Speaker 2: Different actor playing the little sister.
Speaker 3: Three Tapanga, you know, all kinds of stuff. So I
Speaker 3: know that'll be fun for you guys to point out
Speaker 3: as you go along as well.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. I mean, and we were all like,
Speaker 4: we all prided ourselves on continuity too.
Speaker 3: But it is funny.
Speaker 4: There's times whe're like, it's behind the ear, it's in
Speaker 4: front of the ear, it's behind the.
Speaker 3: Ear, and that stuff. That stuff's nothing we're talking to.
Speaker 3: We're talking about, you know, whole new people coming in
Speaker 3: playing a character, and you're just supposed to buy that.
Speaker 3: It's like the same actor.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the actual little continuity stuff, but that.
Speaker 4: Drives me nuts. It's the little things. I'm like, oh, like,
Speaker 4: that's what makes me nuts, Like just the tiny little things.
Speaker 3: The tiny little things. I mean, you guys, having done
Speaker 3: two hundred and forty two episodes, this is quite a
Speaker 3: rewatch commitment. Do you think you're gonna make it? Or
Speaker 3: you gonna do? I know you will because you're right,
Speaker 3: or die well.
Speaker 4: I will, I will write or die I will be there.
Speaker 4: I will be a granny and on my deathbed watching
Speaker 4: episodes of Seventh Heaven. No, I mean we're gonna try.
Speaker 4: But it's fun because we've also had a lot of
Speaker 4: like guests come on, so we'll do a lot of
Speaker 4: like really fun episodes. We just had the girls who
Speaker 4: played My Baby on the show, and they are now
Speaker 4: in college. So it was quite upsetting and disturbing and
Speaker 4: very difficult for me being that they were on the
Speaker 4: show when they were literally like a few months old
Speaker 4: and now they are grown women in college.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And that was a trip.
Speaker 3: That's pretty crazy.
Speaker 4: It is pretty great. And also they went on to
Speaker 4: have a completely normal life and never did film again,
Speaker 4: and so there, yeah, and just to see what that
Speaker 4: was like, because that was never that's not what any
Speaker 4: of us experienced because we all have kind of stayed
Speaker 4: in the business.
Speaker 3: Do you have an un ironic favorite episode?
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't again my episode? I like don't remember episodes?
Speaker 4: Is that horrible?
Speaker 3: No, I know, I'm the same way.
Speaker 4: I really don't remember, but like the fans know everything.
Speaker 4: I know on this episode you did this, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 1: Do you remember seasons? More like, do you know the
Speaker 1: difference between season three and season eight?
Speaker 2: Can you identify that?
Speaker 4: Not? Really? Wow? No, I mean I think it's but
Speaker 4: I also feel like I have a trouble with my
Speaker 4: memory in the sense that because and I don't know
Speaker 4: if this is forever, but for me, I always my
Speaker 4: world was like a whiteboard because I would have to
Speaker 4: memorize everything on the white board for our lines, and
Speaker 4: then as soon as I didn't need it anymore, it
Speaker 4: was a raised And so I feel like I have
Speaker 4: trained myself to like not retain because I always had
Speaker 4: to be able to like put people and do it
Speaker 4: so fast like I didn't. So it's funny, like even
Speaker 4: with even in real life, like my husband's like, oh
Speaker 4: remember this, and I'm like, I have to find a
Speaker 4: picture to like really jog my memory, and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, now I
Speaker 4: can remember, but like if you just asked me on
Speaker 4: the spot, like it's terrible, But it's because I literally
Speaker 4: have that whiteboard memory because but I could do it
Speaker 4: for tests. So it was great for school because I
Speaker 4: could literally look at the I could in my mind
Speaker 4: look at it, read it, see it on the page.
Speaker 4: But as soon as the test was gone, I had
Speaker 4: no idea what I just did. And that's what I
Speaker 4: that's what I've always been like since I was a
Speaker 4: little girl, because I always had to like memorize, and
Speaker 4: then you can't hold onto that stuff because if you did, like,
Speaker 4: how many scripts would we have in our heads out
Speaker 4: of our minds? So, yeah, I'm terrible.
Speaker 1: So you started uh Seventh Heaven when you were fifteen?
Speaker 2: Yes, but when did you actually start acting?
Speaker 4: I started acting when I was four. I was discovered
Speaker 4: in a mall throwing a temper Sherman Oaks Gallery, Oaks Galeria. Yes,
Speaker 4: I was throwing a temper tantrum because I was hungry
Speaker 4: and I was with my aunt. She wasn't feeding me,
Speaker 4: and I just you know, I went for it and
Speaker 4: was like, all right, you have to feed me. And
Speaker 4: Corey Feldman's mom came up and said, you've got a spark,
Speaker 4: you got something. You should be in the business. And
Speaker 4: she became my manager for eight short period of time.
Speaker 3: And I am keeping this story secret from my son
Speaker 3: and she yeah, I know, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Told my kids it does not work. That was a
Speaker 4: once in a lifetime situation. And I was really cute
Speaker 4: and you're not that cute. Yeah, And so I got
Speaker 4: in the business and then within the first month I
Speaker 4: booked my first national commercial, and I loved it. It
Speaker 4: was I did an AT and T commercial, and shortly
Speaker 4: after that, I did Oscar Meyer and I loved being
Speaker 4: on sets. I just thought it was so fun, like,
Speaker 4: and I think I'm an only child, so like being
Speaker 4: on a set with a bunch of adults and like
Speaker 4: being like the center of attention, like, yes, please, that's great,
Speaker 4: let's do it. So that kind of started it. And
Speaker 4: then you know, did a lot of things here and there,
Speaker 4: and I was on Phenom so that was Multiicam, which
Speaker 4: was fun with Ashley Johnson, and did like a bunch
Speaker 4: of little shows. But and I was always raised because
Speaker 4: I think, you guys know, like the no's come far
Speaker 4: more than the yeses. Oh, the yeses are rare. And
Speaker 4: I remember just always knowing I truly enjoyed the auditioning process.
Speaker 4: I loved seeing people at the auditions. I loved seeing
Speaker 4: my friends. I loved seeing my friends get the job
Speaker 4: because I always had the mentality of when it's my turn,
Speaker 4: it will be mine, and if it's not mine, it's
Speaker 4: because it's not my turn yet. So when it finally
Speaker 4: became my turn, I remember also being like, Okay, I
Speaker 4: got the chance. Now I'm never gonna let it go, right,
Speaker 4: And so it was always a good experience. I never
Speaker 4: had the heartbreak because I truly was happy for everybody
Speaker 4: who got the jobs, Like I was happy for Scarlett Johansson.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, I was happy for Natalie Portman. I was
Speaker 4: happy for all these people that I was always in
Speaker 4: the room being And then when they blew up, I
Speaker 4: was like, yay, wait, now it's mine. Now it's my
Speaker 4: turn's coming right right.
Speaker 3: So well, pretty early on, you book a movie called
Speaker 3: Children of the Bride, a TV movie starring Room mc clanahan,
Speaker 3: and that basically became a franchise. What was working with
Speaker 3: Rue Like, she.
Speaker 4: Was amazing, She was so funny and so charming, and
Speaker 4: the whole experience was like summer camp. It was just
Speaker 4: su and all the adults were wonderful and fun and
Speaker 4: the crew was incredible. I mean, I I've never had
Speaker 4: like a bad experience. I've been very blessed and very
Speaker 4: lucky to be around some incredible people and to also
Speaker 4: learn from the best and learn how to behave on
Speaker 4: set and learn, you know, And I just remember just
Speaker 4: being like the kid that was always like watching being
Speaker 4: like watching behaviors, watching what people did, how people showed up,
Speaker 4: how how you were expected to be, and I had
Speaker 4: really good role models and how to do So do.
Speaker 3: You remember your seventh Heaven audition?
Speaker 4: You know what? Funny enough I do. I went and
Speaker 4: and I saw the assistant and they actually didn't like me,
Speaker 4: and and I didn't get a call back. And that
Speaker 4: was the first and only time that I called my
Speaker 4: manager and I said, you fight to get me back
Speaker 4: in there. And I said, this role I need another shot,
Speaker 4: like they need to the like Pamsha needs to see me,
Speaker 4: Like I need to get back in there. I have
Speaker 4: never ever done that because I've always been like, oh
Speaker 4: all right, it wasn't for me. Yeah, But this one
Speaker 4: was the one where I'm like, you have to fight
Speaker 4: to get me back in there. And luckily.
Speaker 2: Because you were good for the part, or because you
Speaker 2: liked the material.
Speaker 4: Because I knew in my core that I was Lucy.
Speaker 4: I knew that she was me, and so I was
Speaker 4: like no, no, no, no, no, no no no, I this
Speaker 4: is this one's mine, like I can, I can do it.
Speaker 4: And I even remember being strangely confident, like when we
Speaker 4: went to network and excited but also with this calm.
Speaker 4: I felt like most of the time, it's always like
Speaker 4: you wanted it and you always like needed it and like.
Speaker 3: You kind of like there's a desperation.
Speaker 4: There's a desperation. This one wasn't like that. It was
Speaker 4: like no, no, no, this is right right, this is
Speaker 4: And so there was a calm confidence, which was very
Speaker 4: not my style because I'm always like like worried, and
Speaker 4: this one I was like no, no, no, no, this
Speaker 4: one's I can feel it. And even in it was funny.
Speaker 4: At Network, there was obviously other kids there, but I
Speaker 4: remember Jesse and I connected. We even have pictures that
Speaker 4: we signed for each other being like we'll see you soon,
Speaker 4: like we like. And with David Well, I rememberer being
Speaker 4: a fan of David because I was like, David's like
Speaker 4: a big movie star because he had just come off
Speaker 4: a phenomenon with John Travolta and he was in look
Speaker 4: who's talking Like I was like, that kid is like
Speaker 4: he's the real deal.
Speaker 3: That that guy's great, he's great, and he's so cute.
Speaker 4: So but it was funny, though I think we all
Speaker 4: we all kind of forgot who else was there at
Speaker 4: Network except for the people who for the people who ended. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we were the ones who truly did connect even in
Speaker 4: that stage, which is strange.
Speaker 3: There's one other project I have to ask you about.
Speaker 3: It's a movie you start in back in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: The Dog who Saved Easter. Yes, I must know how
Speaker 3: he saved Easter.
Speaker 4: That's a good question. I don't actually remember, you know.
Speaker 4: It's funny. It's because I just had a baby and
Speaker 4: I was so shocked I got a job. I was
Speaker 4: just like, here, how did the dog save Easter?
Speaker 3: That's a good questions.
Speaker 4: It's gone because it's like I told you guys, I
Speaker 4: have the worst memory. Like it's awful.
Speaker 3: It's okay, I'll google it. I'll go Mario Lopez's voice
Speaker 3: save Easter.
Speaker 4: And it's with Matthew Lawrence was with me really yeah too? Yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah he was.
Speaker 2: You got to do a rewatch.
Speaker 3: We gotta watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was a vet. He was the vet.
Speaker 3: Must have been Matt's favorite job ever.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we have to watch this movie now.
Speaker 3: We really do so bad, don't I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: And it was like I literally I I just had
Speaker 4: a baby and I was just so shocked. I got
Speaker 4: It's one of those moments like you know, you're like,
Speaker 4: we're really okay, Yeah, sure, I'm there, I'll be there.
Speaker 4: I need I need insurance. Let's let's go. Let's know.
Speaker 3: You have three kids, yes, how old are they? And
Speaker 3: would you ever let them get into acting?
Speaker 4: I have three that are twelve, ten and turning five,
Speaker 4: and funny enough, I would if they really wanted it.
Speaker 4: But I'm not going to be pulling any strings for them,
Speaker 4: like I think. I think it's important for them to
Speaker 4: learn the hard knocks way to go about it. But
Speaker 4: what's interesting is my daughter, who I've always thought was
Speaker 4: really shy, once we moved here to Colorado, she actually
Speaker 4: ended up doing like a play and she's like, will
Speaker 4: you help me? And I helped her run lines like
Speaker 4: one time, and then I was like, all right, you
Speaker 4: gotta figure it out yourself, like tell you girl. And
Speaker 4: when I went to see the play, I was in
Speaker 4: shock because like she's she's very I thought she's there's
Speaker 4: no way that this is gonna be her thing. And
Speaker 4: then she went up there and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 3: Oh no, oh she's good.
Speaker 4: Oh no, this is yeah, you're this is now very
Speaker 4: interesting to me because now I don't know what to
Speaker 4: do because you have stage presence, you have timing, you
Speaker 4: because and also I'm the parent that's like, I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna laugh at your joke. If it's not funny, I
Speaker 4: will tell you it's not funny. Go rework it. Your
Speaker 4: timing's off, your delivery was terrible, and like your body
Speaker 4: language is weird, Like, no, that's not funny. So I'm
Speaker 4: like definitely like fat parent, Like so I'm very real
Speaker 4: with them, Like I think everyone was like, well you
Speaker 4: must have known she's like this little actress. I'm like no,
Speaker 4: and I'm quite disturbed because I don't know what to
Speaker 4: do with this now. Yeah, like she's my athlete. She's
Speaker 4: she she plays soccer, like she's my athlete. Like you're
Speaker 4: now possibly an actor too, Like wow, okay, this is
Speaker 4: gonna be interesting. But luckily, now that we're in call Dolorado,
Speaker 4: it's not as yeah as accessible. Yeah yeah, so she
Speaker 4: can be a kid for a while. I'd like them
Speaker 4: to be kids for a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yes, so smart and no YouTube.
Speaker 2: Well she might become a theater kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah she might. Yeah, she she really enjoyed it, which
Speaker 4: I was, and I also it's so good for their confidence,
Speaker 4: Like it's so great for her to be able to
Speaker 4: express herself. And so I love that for her, and
Speaker 4: I love my son's the comedian, so I'm sure. And
Speaker 4: then the five year old's going to rule the world.
Speaker 4: So because she's she's she's feral. She's already making her
Speaker 4: own pancakes. Like she can do everything.
Speaker 2: Oh I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, she's yeah, third kid man. There they're like
Speaker 4: next level, Like there, you don't. They can save the world,
Speaker 4: they can do everything. She would probably succeed on Special
Speaker 4: Forces for sure. I got it. You know, weird enough
Speaker 4: I would go back, so yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think baby Special Forces is
Speaker 3: a good pitch. I think a thing.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think most of them thought all
Speaker 4: of us were acting like babies, so maybe.
Speaker 3: I mean, but honestly, like that's you kind of need
Speaker 3: toddler energy in order to like dive backwards into a
Speaker 3: pitch black ocean from a helicopter. You know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was not good. I messed up, Like
Speaker 4: I think I knocked out like five ribs on that one.
Speaker 3: It looks painful.
Speaker 4: I was not. That was definitely not an enjoyable experience,
Speaker 4: but also I was still I was told that they
Speaker 4: were gonna give us very clear instructions and that we
Speaker 4: would always understand the task. That is not the case. No,
Speaker 4: It's like it's like, hey, you stand here, I got
Speaker 4: the rope, I'm gonna like, you're gonna lean back, and
Speaker 4: then you just go head first in the ocean. I'm like,
Speaker 4: wha the mechanics of this hold on, let me talk,
Speaker 4: And the next thing I know, he dropped me, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like okay, yeah.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, yeah, definitely failed that mission. That's okay, I did it.
Speaker 3: You did it, and I'm so proud of you did it.
Speaker 3: Thank you. One last question I have for you, because
Speaker 3: it's another little crossover that we have. I was thinking
Speaker 3: about the incredible late nineties early aughts while I was
Speaker 3: researching you for this interview and remembered that we were
Speaker 3: both very close to the guys of n SYNC.
Speaker 4: Yes, Lance, Yes, Lance is my guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, some of my favorite stories and memories are from
Speaker 3: times spent with them when they were just at the
Speaker 3: height of their careers. Do you have any favorite fun
Speaker 3: stories of being close with the biggest band in the
Speaker 3: world at the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, my God challenge for the children. All of
Speaker 4: the starity events that they did, yes or the best, Like,
Speaker 4: I think one of my most favorite memories was I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure we were all under age, okay, tea tender age.
Speaker 4: We were all under age in Vegas and we were
Speaker 4: running around doing a scavenger hunt. And when I say
Speaker 4: like scavenger hunt, I mean all over the Vegas Strip
Speaker 4: and it was and also like I'm we're like I
Speaker 4: think I was on Joey's team and so we're running
Speaker 4: through Vegas on the strip with and sync just like
Speaker 4: running around like hooligans.
Speaker 3: Running into hotels.
Speaker 4: Yes, remember, and it was just nuts. But I just
Speaker 4: remember being like, what kind of fun, weird experience is
Speaker 4: this that we'll never get to do again? Except for
Speaker 4: them we did in Miami a few years later. It
Speaker 4: was also and at that point it was like Cameron
Speaker 4: Diaz was there, Yeah, Gabrielle Union was the I mean,
Speaker 4: you have all these superstars that are all and we're
Speaker 4: all just running around unleashed around town like and it
Speaker 4: was so fun because it was again at a time
Speaker 4: where like the cell phone pictures were like on a
Speaker 4: flip phone, so like nothing was happening so we were
Speaker 4: able to have this kind of freedom to be wild
Speaker 4: and crazy and do these fun things. But those friendships
Speaker 4: were just so genuine and and too to know the guys.
Speaker 4: I also remember being really good friends with all the bodyguards.
Speaker 4: I loved the.
Speaker 3: Bodyguard me to the best. It's so crazy to think
Speaker 3: about how massive celebrities today could never do those things
Speaker 3: that we were able to do back then. Never and
Speaker 3: there was still security. You mentioned the bodyguards. The bodyguards
Speaker 3: were there, of course in case something did happen, like
Speaker 3: there was, it was safe, but you could never do
Speaker 3: it now they're they're they're It was just never. It
Speaker 3: was just couldn't happen.
Speaker 4: No, And I think it's also just it was the
Speaker 4: freedom to kind of still be young and wild and
Speaker 4: free with people who were obviously recognizable, but it was
Speaker 4: just it was so fun. I mean, I'm still obviously
Speaker 4: very good friends with you know, well all of them.
Speaker 4: And then it's very funny that like one of them
Speaker 4: ended up marrying my best friends. And I was like,
Speaker 4: and who, I give Jesse so much too, because sorry,
Speaker 4: I don't get me to cuss. I have Jesse so
Speaker 4: much crap because she used to make fun of me.
Speaker 4: She's just like, you do know the mzinc boys again,
Speaker 4: And I was like, dude, they're fun, like we have
Speaker 4: fun and she used to think I was like, so
Speaker 4: silly and lame. And I'm like, now you're married to one,
Speaker 4: yeah exactly, now I have a Colleen lame and I
Speaker 4: was like cute, and I'm like, I remember when when
Speaker 4: they first started dating. Miss Lynd's like, okay, Bev tell
Speaker 4: me about her. I'm like, if he hurts her, I'll
Speaker 4: kill him. And she's like, okay, so you love her.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I do.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I love her very much as my sister.
Speaker 4: So but it is fun, like but yeah, those were
Speaker 4: the good times when we could those were the good times.
Speaker 3: They really were. Well, as we mentioned, you guys are
Speaker 3: doing your rewatch podcast catching Up with the Camdens or
Speaker 3: I don't want to call it a rewatch in case
Speaker 3: David doesn't want to call rehash.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's rehash.
Speaker 3: It's a rehash. Okay, you're rehashing with Catching Up with
Speaker 3: the Camdens. Where else can people find you see you?
Speaker 3: What else are you working on other than wanting to
Speaker 3: go back to Special Forces, which I don't know. He
Speaker 3: seems like you're a glutton for punishment.
Speaker 4: At this time. I mean, I do I think again,
Speaker 4: you know, the therapy session that we all need to
Speaker 4: explore being on camera. Yeah, I just you know, right now,
Speaker 4: I'm enjoying life being a mommy and kind of uh
Speaker 4: finally moved out of l A after being born and
Speaker 4: raised for the very first time. So h but it's
Speaker 4: fun just popping in, you know, doing the things when
Speaker 4: they come up, when we're called, right, that's an actor's life.
Speaker 3: I still think you should pitch baby special Forces. I
Speaker 3: think it's a good idea. We call my six year
Speaker 3: old will do it? Your five year old will do it?
Speaker 4: It would be it would be you know what I
Speaker 4: do have to say though to this, I think it's
Speaker 4: so it would be so important for most people to
Speaker 4: understand what our military goes through and the degree and
Speaker 4: and and understand because I will also say I was
Speaker 4: I did that for four days. And the intensity, I
Speaker 4: would say, is like going to university of yourself, like
Speaker 4: figuring out your stuff. And it is like going from
Speaker 4: being in kindergarten with the knowledge that you have and
Speaker 4: then literally coming out with a degree in the shortest
Speaker 4: amount of time that it actually took me two years
Speaker 4: to process what I learned in those four days. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 4: So I do think there's there's something to be said
Speaker 4: for what they're doing. But also that being said, if
Speaker 4: you allow yourself to really dive deep, some people wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Some people were like, na, nah, I'm good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I literally took it as a as a I milked
Speaker 4: every opportunity to learn about myself in that situation, which
Speaker 4: was really cool. And I'm excited for the next season.
Speaker 4: I have no idea who it is and what they're doing,
Speaker 4: but I can't wait to watch.
Speaker 3: I can't either. It's going to be great. Beverly, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for being here with us and spending
Speaker 3: your time. You're always such a ray of light and
Speaker 3: your your perspective is so great and we're just so
Speaker 3: happy to have you here. So thank you for joining us.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you guys so much for having me. It's
Speaker 4: a it's always a joy, so anytime I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: We'll probably see you at the next nineties Con.
Speaker 4: I know, wouldn't that'd be fun? Connecticut here we come, Yes.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and maybe and maybe we'll do a rewatch of
Speaker 3: the Dog who Saved Easter.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I think we should.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, there's so many fun things that we
Speaker 4: can all do of watching each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we could.
Speaker 4: We could have a blast of watching.
Speaker 3: We've done it quite a bit on our podcast. We've
Speaker 3: rewatched Writers, Summertime Switch.
Speaker 4: That's fun. I want to do. I also want to
Speaker 4: do some of the horror stuff. So I was like,
Speaker 4: I want I want them to watch Saw too. Yes,
Speaker 4: be like watch Me Die? Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Those are always fun too.
Speaker 3: Always fun. It's a nice they're nice palate cleansers. Yes
Speaker 3: for you know, for when you're in when you're two
Speaker 3: and forty two episodes deep of Seventh Heaven, squatched some
Speaker 3: Saw Too.
Speaker 4: Let's yeah, let's just throw something in.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Beverly.
Speaker 4: It's always good to do you enjoy your day.
Speaker 3: She's always been such a positive like I just imagine
Speaker 3: her at four being on a set, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can I think even at four she was probably
Speaker 3: very much like just this little adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I love the way that she's you know,
Speaker 1: when we started talking about this whole Special Forces thing,
Speaker 1: it was sort of.
Speaker 2: Like, can you imagine me and her?
Speaker 1: You know, you're like, yeah, it doesn't really fit her,
Speaker 1: but then throughout the rest of the interview she's like,
Speaker 1: tell me what to do and I'll do it.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of actor I am. And then she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm a loyalist. I will stay with you. I am right,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you you're actually the perfect soldier.
Speaker 3: Like exactly, You're just a scribe committed yes.
Speaker 1: Like and she pushes herself and then she reflects, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is no, you're a soldier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, super funny.
Speaker 3: I know, really great. And it's funny because to her
Speaker 3: it's just because she was never an athlete, but she
Speaker 3: you know, but special Forces is true. Of course, you're
Speaker 3: also having to do physical things that are exhausting, but
Speaker 3: it's way more of a mental of a mental game.
Speaker 3: How committed are you? How willing to push yourself are you?
Speaker 3: And in that sense, she's the perfect person.
Speaker 1: For it, right right, Yeah, I guess like I would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the physical thing would just kill me. I just you know, exercise, man,
Speaker 1: make me run more than like twenty minutes and I'm like.
Speaker 3: I'm out and they're running with like lots of gear
Speaker 3: on extra forty pounds.
Speaker 1: But the running, the mental part of like you know,
Speaker 1: like surviving and like doing scary things. I think I
Speaker 1: would actually love that. I love backpacking. I love the
Speaker 1: idea of like I mean, that's like why I love
Speaker 1: Survivors because I'm like, how would I be able to
Speaker 1: make fire and like get through the night.
Speaker 3: I love that stuff, But I die instantly. I'd never
Speaker 3: be able to make fire. I'd be like, what do
Speaker 3: we do here? Well, well, I wouldn't leave. I just
Speaker 3: have to tough it. I'd be like I can't eat
Speaker 3: and I can't have warmth, right, but I have to
Speaker 3: stick it out because I have no hands on skills
Speaker 3: like I have no I can't do a thing for myself.
Speaker 1: There was a moment like when we started this podcast
Speaker 1: where you were like, I want to go.
Speaker 2: Camp I do?
Speaker 3: I still do want to go camping? Do it? Do
Speaker 3: I still need you to teach me? I? Actually I
Speaker 3: do think that'd be the perfect thing, is to actually
Speaker 3: go camping with at least one other family that really
Speaker 3: knows what they're doing. Because I am a very visual
Speaker 3: learner and I will like take it and be like
Speaker 3: a sponge. I'm gonna go I'm gonna watch you, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna help, and then I'm going to try to do
Speaker 3: it on my own the next time. Yeah, so I
Speaker 3: do need to do that. Well. Thank you all for
Speaker 3: joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World. As always,
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