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Speaker 4: Yes, happy days are here again. It's a victory Tuesday
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Speaker 4: day makes in the Nationville Football League.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying a lot of you're not you still.
Speaker 5: We didn't come to another even that you're look gonna play.
Speaker 5: We were texting last night. We did come to an
Speaker 5: agreement that you're gonna play.
Speaker 2: That that was did we did? We back said, not
Speaker 2: so much. That's what you laughed at it. I did
Speaker 2: because I thought, how that's how ridiculous it was.
Speaker 4: That's that's how ridiculous the show is.
Speaker 5: So you didn't cannot argue with that.
Speaker 3: You didn't want me to start to show off by
Speaker 3: saying first place Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: I must admit I had a ball last night and
Speaker 2: when I I think after the first drive, I said, Philly's.
Speaker 5: Gonna lose this game.
Speaker 2: Just the way they were running the ball, the way
Speaker 2: they were running the ball, I mean, man, Robinson was
Speaker 2: gashing those guys.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: It was very impressive. Jon Jon was impressive last night.
Speaker 2: Game plan itself, I thought was impressive on Atlanta coach's part.
Speaker 5: And Uh, Cousins.
Speaker 3: I don't know until that last drive, I'm sitting there
Speaker 3: going Kurt Cousins, man, and then he does that on
Speaker 3: the final her.
Speaker 4: Cousins was saying that until the final nive about himself
Speaker 4: and then got in that two minute offense and away
Speaker 4: they go. It was like a knife through butter.
Speaker 2: You know what happened once that cornerback got hurt. They
Speaker 2: went straight at the replacement. They brought the brought the
Speaker 2: number thirty three. They came to him twice. Then they
Speaker 2: yanked him out watching it right now, and they came
Speaker 2: then number twenty seven. Uh, you go in, see you
Speaker 2: and they toasted him too, and then they got the
Speaker 2: all pro on the other side.
Speaker 5: Uh. When it's all said.
Speaker 4: And done, Darius slay and uh. And so we were
Speaker 4: texting at the end of it and then the Atlanta
Speaker 4: scores and so I texted fight song tomorrow exclamation and
Speaker 4: Everson laughed at it. Yeah, because it was only Vicky
Speaker 4: And what confused you? Ever since as Mickey had Mickey
Speaker 4: on these group text he's slower keeping up with us
Speaker 4: on it, and so he was actually responding to an
Speaker 4: earlier just when he said not.
Speaker 2: So much interesting, I thought he meant not so much
Speaker 2: regards that being a good idea. Yeah, no, and yours
Speaker 2: should have been fights on tomorrow, question mark should no
Speaker 2: exciting point excitement over a Cowboys first place standing in
Speaker 2: the NFC East all of a sudden, Thank you very much,
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 5: I loved it. I loved watching the game.
Speaker 2: I love and you know, of course with us not
Speaker 2: playing any defense in the in the second week, I
Speaker 2: just loved how Atlanta's defense did not give up even
Speaker 2: though they got a break from.
Speaker 5: The mispass spot by. Yeah, that was not so much.
Speaker 3: Was in reference to you saying there was too much
Speaker 3: time left with that last possession.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what was it?
Speaker 3: Thirty four seconds?
Speaker 4: Thirty four seconds left and he was just back there
Speaker 4: once again.
Speaker 2: Not just the cornerback went down and they had to
Speaker 2: replace him, but they they played this zone that allowed
Speaker 2: him to sit back. I think it must have been
Speaker 2: a three man rush. The loud Coo cousin to sit
Speaker 2: back there with all of a sudden, He's got all
Speaker 2: the time in the world.
Speaker 3: And welcome to the NFL. Just wait a day.
Speaker 4: And I watched a replay of the Manning cast on
Speaker 4: it and they had both Mannings and Matt Ryan on
Speaker 4: it on that game winning drive by Atlanta, and so
Speaker 4: both Peyton and Matt Ryan were saying in on this
Speaker 4: two minute drill, there are three things here. You got
Speaker 4: to get a positive play on first down, right, which
Speaker 4: they did, got a first down in fact on it.
Speaker 4: No negative plays. Was the second point, and then the
Speaker 4: third point was score No, I don't.
Speaker 5: Know what it was.
Speaker 3: It was probably get out of bounds. And they kept
Speaker 3: getting out of.
Speaker 4: Right, and then it came to a certain point where
Speaker 4: they had forty seven seconds left and they had plenty
Speaker 4: of time with the first down at the twelve yard line.
Speaker 4: Now you're, as Peyton was saying, Okay, now, I don't
Speaker 4: want to get greedy here, but let's conserve some time here.
Speaker 4: We don't want to give them too much time.
Speaker 2: Sudden for three seconds, just run the ball once right,
Speaker 2: just because.
Speaker 5: It was killing It was killing them the whole game.
Speaker 4: That was the play before getting to the twelve yard line,
Speaker 4: the player cut back up in field and rather than
Speaker 4: going out of bounds right, so that yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on man, you caught the ball getting out
Speaker 2: of bound exactly right.
Speaker 3: And yelled at him too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is it passing appearance in the end zone on
Speaker 4: that second to last play back the back of the
Speaker 4: end zone? Tight tight coverage And this is in uh,
Speaker 4: this is uh in contrast to the Kansas City Cincinnati game,
Speaker 4: which we decided it was clearly past interfearance. He was
Speaker 4: draped on him in the back of the end zone.
Speaker 2: That was yeah, yeah, and they call it and that
Speaker 2: referee was doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he was draped on him before the ball
Speaker 2: even got there.
Speaker 5: I mean, right like this right, How dare.
Speaker 4: You so they should have had the ball. They should
Speaker 4: have had the ball with forty seconds left at the
Speaker 4: one yard line with a first down.
Speaker 2: So that could have been a blessing in disguise, because
Speaker 2: I got admit, Jalen.
Speaker 5: Jalen was hell bent on getting first downs.
Speaker 2: You know, he was hell bent on making positive yards
Speaker 2: himself throughout the game anytime that they had the ball
Speaker 2: right there when people weren't opened down the field, and
Speaker 2: he was almost like Lamar and creating space within the
Speaker 2: pocket and giving themselves options to run or pass. Once
Speaker 2: he got outside the pocket, and that defensive end for Atlanta,
Speaker 2: He's like, man, I don't even know what set in
Speaker 2: the edge is.
Speaker 5: Every time every.
Speaker 2: Time he see rusting past it, he's squeezing it tight inside.
Speaker 3: And well don't you don't.
Speaker 5: I mean they just escape right outside of use a.
Speaker 3: Spy on him, right, you can't. They were dropping way back.
Speaker 3: There was no one looking.
Speaker 5: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: I think they just assumed that the defense, you know,
Speaker 2: the pocket, the pressure that there was smart well smart pressure.
Speaker 5: It wasn't smart pressure.
Speaker 2: They kept he kept squeezing the pocket the defensive end,
Speaker 2: and he kept getting beat outside.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: The other thing I noticed is, you know, both running
Speaker 3: backs looked really good, but I saw some like really
Speaker 3: big holes to run through too.
Speaker 5: Well. Oh they blocked their butts.
Speaker 2: No, that was no, there was no let me squeeze
Speaker 2: through here, right, No, they were wide open holes.
Speaker 4: Those are two veteran offensive line and I'm looking.
Speaker 5: They did very well.
Speaker 3: And I'm looking back at the game on Sunday and
Speaker 3: everybody's on, well, the Cowboys got to get Delvin Cook
Speaker 3: out there. Well, he ain't got no holes to run through.
Speaker 3: Go back and look at the game. There was hardly
Speaker 3: a hole.
Speaker 2: U Daldo was doing a good job, yes, trying to
Speaker 2: get the yards that he.
Speaker 3: Was.
Speaker 5: He was really fighting hard for everything.
Speaker 3: There were no big holes. They got beat both sides.
Speaker 5: Of the line, no doubt.
Speaker 3: And that's you know, no one wants to look at that.
Speaker 3: I heard people trying to criticize dak two interceptions. The
Speaker 3: wide receiver fell.
Speaker 5: We didn't even talk about that.
Speaker 4: He fell down.
Speaker 5: That was.
Speaker 2: That was That was just a shame because that was
Speaker 2: the glass was on the money.
Speaker 5: Well, that was would have been perfect.
Speaker 3: That was the end of the game because they got
Speaker 3: the ball back at the end of the half scored.
Speaker 4: Unless there's bad field conditions, which there aren't at at
Speaker 4: and T Stadium. That's a route running issue, of course, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not. It's not a bad luck that you slip
Speaker 4: and fall. You get to you have to run the
Speaker 4: route and plant your foot like that's what on The
Speaker 4: practice fell out of here, And.
Speaker 2: Because if that's the case, everybody be falling exactly because
Speaker 2: it was a complete it was right on, it was
Speaker 2: right on the timing was perfect, but except the.
Speaker 5: Plant of the right foot.
Speaker 4: And a lot of that is it's the the the moment.
Speaker 4: You know, for a young receiver, the moment gets too
Speaker 4: big for you and so you're not doing that.
Speaker 5: That plant isn't quite as confident. That's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're hurried. You know, you got to get there.
Speaker 2: I wonder if I'm on time the exactly that d
Speaker 2: goes into your feet, that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So on second, look at the deal. With seven minutes
Speaker 3: to go, actually seven forty three to go in the
Speaker 3: second quarter, it's twenty one thirteen, all right, twenty one
Speaker 3: to thirteen.
Speaker 4: They're coming back on the cowboys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, by the way, and it is mixed shots
Speaker 3: with a cowboy.
Speaker 5: That's a good idea. No thanks and.
Speaker 3: Uh and it's like, okay, game on right, your one
Speaker 3: possession down. Then they allowed the Saints to drive eleven
Speaker 3: plays seventy yards fifty nine of the yards rushing. Kamara
Speaker 3: had forty eight and the other guy, Williams. Williams had
Speaker 3: eleven and say, okay, now you got the ball back,
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, if I can just score and
Speaker 3: keep it a one, and that's when the would.
Speaker 4: You like to enter Camara's runs on that No.
Speaker 5: I saw.
Speaker 3: I got him listed right here.
Speaker 5: Why are you messing when we billy? What are you doing?
Speaker 2: I was in a good mood, ready to talk about
Speaker 2: and now here we are eight and three still.
Speaker 4: And the touchdown is twelve?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Mmmm?
Speaker 5: It was if the screen passed?
Speaker 2: Wasn't enough being shown over and over and over again yesterday,
Speaker 2: not just while we were in here. I saw it
Speaker 2: when I went home, like, geez, give me a break.
Speaker 3: Well, and then that if you go back and look
Speaker 3: at it again, it was. It was, yes, it was.
Speaker 3: It was like a perfect storm for what the Cowboys
Speaker 3: called on defense and what they called on offense, because
Speaker 3: the Cowboys blitzed both outside linebackers and so the only
Speaker 3: linebacker there to take on Camara was Kendricks. And I
Speaker 3: see these two big old buffaloes coming at him right.
Speaker 3: He's got notions.
Speaker 4: And that was after after Lawrence had a swim move
Speaker 4: inside right, So the guard was there.
Speaker 3: One on the side to the Cowboys right was open
Speaker 3: because they were in man coverage, and they put the
Speaker 3: wide receiver in motion that way, and it took both
Speaker 3: cornerbacks down the field. Why in man coverage they I
Speaker 3: guess that was the call.
Speaker 2: No, they were they were in man coverage because they
Speaker 2: were not expecting of a They did not want to
Speaker 2: play zone with that pass, uh with the.
Speaker 5: Problem with the action that they would have. Second, they
Speaker 5: did not want to play that anymore. Right, when Diggs.
Speaker 2: Was was playing outside, the wide receiver cut inside.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure Diggs was in the zone.
Speaker 2: At that time when the wide receiver went all the
Speaker 2: way across the field. So they didn't want to do
Speaker 2: that anymore. Like you, we're too busy getting sucked up
Speaker 2: by the run. So now we're going to stay man
Speaker 2: to man, right, so that we can stay with our men. Well,
Speaker 2: now you've got linebackers have a problem because now the
Speaker 2: running back has the advantage on you if he runs
Speaker 2: the ball, because the blocking is coming to what.
Speaker 4: You're referring to is the Olave catch the thirty nine
Speaker 4: yard game when they were in zone and he was
Speaker 4: wide open a Frost.
Speaker 3: So when they were in man, the cornerbacks were still covering,
Speaker 3: and here's Kamara coming downfield and Hooker is on the
Speaker 3: other side and man on the tight end. So there's
Speaker 3: Donovan Wilson single safety.
Speaker 4: High right, but the tight end ran right to Donovan
Speaker 4: Wilson basically to block him.
Speaker 5: So that took both safeties.
Speaker 2: Once again, bad recognition because by the time Hooker comes
Speaker 2: off of that guy who's who's basically kissing Donovan Wilson,
Speaker 2: he's sitting there looking at him for some strange reason.
Speaker 5: And here comes tomorrow.
Speaker 2: He just if he would have recognized it better, he
Speaker 2: could have at least minimized the damage because kamaraw saw
Speaker 2: him coming and went that way. If he would have
Speaker 2: reacted sooner, Donovan and the guy hugging over here, why
Speaker 2: are you standing next to him?
Speaker 3: Or he needed to recognize what was happening because he's
Speaker 3: tryab is on board yesterday. This is just because but
Speaker 3: but he he's the only one that saw what was
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 5: He saw, he recognized from a quick recognition.
Speaker 3: What the angle was there you go or no angle.
Speaker 5: There you go none at all.
Speaker 2: That that those little keys right there can make the
Speaker 2: difference between a fifty eight yarder and a.
Speaker 3: But sometimes Larry Lacewell taught me this, sometimes they just
Speaker 3: get you.
Speaker 5: Well, they won't just get you all the time. What
Speaker 5: call I got you too many times?
Speaker 3: That play? Yeah, what I called and what they called.
Speaker 2: It happened to be the perfect storm, I understand.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then so they're you know, okay, and then they
Speaker 3: score on the after the interception, and now it's thirty
Speaker 3: five thirteen. You were in the game, and then you
Speaker 3: were not in the game.
Speaker 2: We talk about these blowouts and how you know, it's
Speaker 2: really not what it seems. Uh, there are times it is,
Speaker 2: but there are also times where, man.
Speaker 5: You were right there. Yeah, you were right there.
Speaker 3: That's where it's like, Okay, do the job the moment,
Speaker 3: get a stop.
Speaker 2: This is the moment, and that's where you have to
Speaker 2: have a playmaker. That's where you have to have a playmaker.
Speaker 2: But like you said in first place.
Speaker 3: Did you that's right?
Speaker 4: The week if you do well, if you got the
Speaker 4: three way time for first there at the UNFC least,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: I lost my other sheet. It's almost even between the
Speaker 3: number of teams that were two and oh, the number
Speaker 3: of teams that were one in one and the number
Speaker 3: of teams that were too perfect parody.
Speaker 5: That's that's how they got.
Speaker 4: Check back in two weeks and they'll all be right.
Speaker 4: How about Okay, think about who lost this weekend in
Speaker 4: the NFC, Cowboys, Eagles, Niners and Lions all lost this week.
Speaker 4: And the Rams were a playoff team last year and
Speaker 4: they lost. Yeah they are.
Speaker 5: Their injury issue is got buzzard luck, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: But I mean their offensive line was already hurting and
Speaker 4: and now they're both wide receivers are out. So Nakua
Speaker 4: en Cup so that's their problem.
Speaker 3: And no, and if you look at the other side
Speaker 3: with Cincinnati and Baltimore both oh and two, right, Jacksonville
Speaker 3: oh and two? So yeah, it it's the NFL. It happens,
Speaker 3: or as Mike McCarthy likes to say, it's September football.
Speaker 4: And then even look at the Chiefs. Yes, their first
Speaker 4: game against Baltimore, the Cowboys next opponent, they came within
Speaker 4: a a toe to nail of Baltimore that would have
Speaker 4: got Baltimore than a point. They were going for two.
Speaker 4: So they with at a toenail and a two point
Speaker 4: of losing that game. And then their game again Cincinnati
Speaker 4: was so close as well. Yeah they got for them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, these out sixty eight weeks.
Speaker 2: They don't have a problem. They have problems coming up.
Speaker 2: I know Mahomes is the man that they I can
Speaker 2: say he can overcome anything. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: For the rest of this season without Pacheco or at
Speaker 2: least sixty eight weeks.
Speaker 4: Kansas City plays Atlanta this week. Where that's a good question,
Speaker 4: one that I'm not prepared to answer as we speak
Speaker 4: right now, although I am now prepared to answer it.
Speaker 4: They were playing at home against Kansas City.
Speaker 5: They need it all.
Speaker 4: Right, We're just getting started. We heard from the coordinators yesterday. Yes,
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Speaker 4: Okay, we continue with mixed shots, and Mickey, you want
Speaker 4: to give us the numbers on the standings as far
Speaker 4: as you were yes on the get two and O
Speaker 4: teams and so forth.
Speaker 3: So we have nine two and O teams.
Speaker 5: Nine I didn't know that, man, nine oh.
Speaker 3: And two teams and fourteen one and one already at
Speaker 3: its best.
Speaker 5: Can I say, can I hear the two and ohs?
Speaker 4: The two and os would be the Chargers and the
Speaker 4: Chiefs in the AFC West, the Texans and the AFC South,
Speaker 4: the Steelers and the AFC North with an offense that
Speaker 4: is produced about the Bills in the AFC East, the
Speaker 4: Seahawks and the NFC West, the Saints and the Buccaneers
Speaker 4: in the NFC South, the Vikings of the NFC North,
Speaker 4: and nobody in the NFC East. You want to hear
Speaker 4: the O and two's? Now?
Speaker 5: Yes? All right?
Speaker 4: Here, here's here's a little game for you. Okay, which
Speaker 4: of the which of these teams? UH? Think about? Who
Speaker 4: will be oh and three? Because it relates to the
Speaker 4: Cowboys here? Okay, Denver's oh and two and they play
Speaker 4: at Tampa Bay, so they're probably going to oh and three.
Speaker 4: Indianapolis is oh and two. They host Chicago. Okay, toss up.
Speaker 4: Jacksonville's oh and two. They play at Buffalo. They're going
Speaker 4: to be oh and three. Tennis sees oh and two
Speaker 4: and they play Green Bay with Malik Willis at quarterback
Speaker 4: winning a game. I'm gonna say Baltimore. Cincinnati's oh and
Speaker 4: two and they host Washington, So they should win that game,
Speaker 4: don't you think they should? Rams are oh and two
Speaker 4: and host San Francisco, which, now, by the way, Rams
Speaker 4: are depleted, but so are the Niners, not only without
Speaker 4: McCaffrey but also without Debo for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 4: it looks like, but that problems are probably going on.
Speaker 5: Three.
Speaker 4: Carolina is ozing two and they play at Vegas with
Speaker 4: Andy Dalton at quarterback. But they've got Andy Dalton at quarterback.
Speaker 4: Bryce already benched the top pick in the draft last
Speaker 4: year after two games, gets benched yesterday by Carolina. And
Speaker 4: then the Giants owing two play at Cleveland and then
Speaker 4: Baltimore oh and two at Dallas.
Speaker 5: Giants might Giants might upset? Who's the Giants?
Speaker 4: Scott at Cleveland?
Speaker 3: No, no, okay, where's the h The Eagles are at
Speaker 3: New Orleans?
Speaker 4: Philadelphia is at New Orleans. That's right, So there you go.
Speaker 4: How about that?
Speaker 3: So all of us sudden like that place will be right.
Speaker 4: On that Saints bandwagon because they got the rest of
Speaker 4: the NFC East to play. All right, let's talk a
Speaker 4: little pickle juice. Mike Zimmer brought it up yesterday and
Speaker 4: is uh, you know, the Pickle Juice game, right ever since.
Speaker 5: Of course Staley, Uh huh, yeah.
Speaker 4: That was September third, two thousand. One hundred and nine
Speaker 4: degrees was the official temperature, and the thermometers at Texas
Speaker 4: Stadium were registering up to one hundred and thirty degrees
Speaker 4: in the sun on the field, and you know how
Speaker 4: hot Texas Stadium would get.
Speaker 2: And Deuce was acting as if he was playing. And
Speaker 2: the refrigerator two yards rushing, ye three?
Speaker 3: But yeah, and as a team they had over three
Speaker 3: hundred yards six rushing as a team.
Speaker 4: And who is the defensive coordinator with the Cowboys. It
Speaker 4: was Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: First game, first game as defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5: He figured it out after that.
Speaker 3: Well, he had told a really good story back either
Speaker 3: be when he got here or at training camp, but
Speaker 3: he talked about it was his first chance. You know,
Speaker 3: he's a secondary coach.
Speaker 4: Came here in ninety four, first chance for the Super
Speaker 4: Bowl teams defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: And he said, spent the whole week devising all these
Speaker 3: fancy blitz schemes, these coverage packages, and then they get
Speaker 3: run over three hundred. Yeah, he said, I figured out
Speaker 3: real quickly. If you don't stop the run, You're not
Speaker 3: going to be in this league for very long as
Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator receipts. So he said, I wiped out
Speaker 3: all that stuff I prepared and we started from scratch.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So the next game the Cowboys got beat thirty two
Speaker 3: to thirty one. As a matter of fact, that first game,
Speaker 3: not only did Joey Galloway tear his ACL gone for
Speaker 3: the season, Troy had a concussion. So Randall Cunningham started
Speaker 3: the next two games. So they go play Arizona. They
Speaker 3: get beat thirty two thirty one, but it took the
Speaker 3: Cardinals thirty three carries to get ninety eight yards, so
Speaker 3: three point three.
Speaker 5: So he had to wear he had to work on
Speaker 5: the secondary.
Speaker 3: Then, right, so we're back, and then in week three
Speaker 3: they beat Washington twenty seven twenty one. Now the then
Speaker 3: Redskins ran for one hundred and seven yards, but it
Speaker 3: was three point seven a carring, so it got more reasonable.
Speaker 3: Stephen Davis in that game had ninety one yards rushing.
Speaker 3: So he learned long time ago that you better stop
Speaker 3: the run. Well, not so much on you know what?
Speaker 4: He he one other point going back to that. Okay,
Speaker 4: So then Mike Zimmer. Okay, he knew to keep his job,
Speaker 4: he was going to have to he fixed that. Okay.
Speaker 4: Now to the point that three years later in two
Speaker 4: thousand and three, when Bill Parcells was the first year,
Speaker 4: kept him as a defensive coordinator and the Cowboys had
Speaker 4: the number one defense in the league and somehow made
Speaker 4: the playoffs with Quincy Carter at quarterback. In two thousand
Speaker 4: and three.
Speaker 3: It was the greatest coaching job in Parcels history.
Speaker 4: So he had so he completely fixed the defense within
Speaker 4: three years. But he's got six days to completely fix
Speaker 4: this defense before Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry and the Ravens.
Speaker 3: And he can't change the personnel now, by the way,
Speaker 3: So you brought up pickle juice. So that was Andy
Speaker 3: Reid's first game as the head coach in Philadelphia, Okay.
Speaker 3: And so when they saw how hot it was and
Speaker 3: guys were getting ivs left and right, they claimed that
Speaker 3: they took care of the cramps because they were drinking
Speaker 3: pickle juice. And so that became a big thing here.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, why didn't the Cowboys drink peple juice? Right?
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody had heard of that before.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm sure Bill knows some people that
Speaker 2: did something like that.
Speaker 5: I know people that drank pickle juice.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know what, I was just the whole
Speaker 4: thing dealing with the heat in Texas.
Speaker 3: And I did I did a bike ride from I
Speaker 3: just wanted to Texas. The fact that he but it.
Speaker 4: Was it wasn't just deuce. It was the yeah, well
Speaker 4: the whole thing like it was just.
Speaker 5: So that's why I asked.
Speaker 4: I did a juices from South Carolina.
Speaker 3: Okay, I did a bike ride.
Speaker 4: It gets hot in South Carrosa.
Speaker 3: Where's the town west of uh fort Worth that does
Speaker 3: the peach festival or something?
Speaker 4: Alito is west of fort Worth. Mineral Wells is west
Speaker 4: of Weatherford.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was.
Speaker 3: I think it was Weatherford. They had the Peach Pedal Festival.
Speaker 4: And I did a bike beach. Oh like a like
Speaker 4: a bicycle pedal. Okay, each pedal at all? There you
Speaker 4: I'll look it up. You tell your story about about
Speaker 4: Pasch pedal bike ride. About half we were talking about
Speaker 4: that today.
Speaker 3: I started cramp for any day.
Speaker 4: Weatherford High School is where they meet.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I started cramping up. And when you're cramping up,
Speaker 3: it's hard to pedal a bicycle. So I had to stop.
Speaker 3: I stretching my hamstring. And so they had like water
Speaker 3: stations along the way. I was only going twenty miles
Speaker 3: and uh I got there and they had pickles. Well,
Speaker 3: they were out of pickles. I said, let me drink
Speaker 3: the pickle juice, and I swear to God, in five
Speaker 3: minutes the cramps stopped and I was able to finish.
Speaker 2: So there's something too. That's one of those old school
Speaker 2: remedies that you know, people in Texas already knew about.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you didn't know.
Speaker 3: I had never heard of it.
Speaker 4: And by the way, if you'd like to support the
Speaker 4: United Way of Parker County, the thirty seventh an you
Speaker 4: wal Peach Pedal bike ride will take place next summer
Speaker 4: in Weatherford, of.
Speaker 3: Course in the summer.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: So that's the story on pickle juice.
Speaker 5: I like that good job.
Speaker 3: So if you if you wake up at night and
Speaker 3: you get cramps, go go refrigerator.
Speaker 5: I have it. I have it, and I.
Speaker 4: Think there have been scientific studies that have proven the
Speaker 4: effect of that. Since yeah, pickle juice, So.
Speaker 2: Pickled juice is going to be pickled anything, I mean,
Speaker 2: not just not eat the juice itself, the pickle juice itself,
Speaker 2: like you pickle onions, you pickled, you know, all kinds.
Speaker 3: Of stuff, or if you just drank some olive juice,
Speaker 3: anything's got, That's.
Speaker 5: All I'm saying. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: I'm now researching pickle juice interventions.
Speaker 2: Only on mixed shot old people like us.
Speaker 4: So how about a run game, a defensive run game? Intervinsion?
Speaker 2: What needs to happen for that's do you have the
Speaker 2: list to this stuff?
Speaker 4: Can you use pickle juice on a run defense?
Speaker 3: They need to get younger.
Speaker 4: Oh oh man.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 3: I was skeptical of that to start, and those guys
Speaker 3: ended up playing twenty four.
Speaker 4: Well, they got younger. They drafted one in the seventh round,
Speaker 4: Justin Rodgers, defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where's he at?
Speaker 5: Did he play?
Speaker 3: No? They tried to get that to the practice squad
Speaker 3: and somebody picked him up Tennessee.
Speaker 4: Maybe. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: I forgot who it was. Those guys zeroed out.
Speaker 4: Well, all the inside tackles.
Speaker 2: I can only say this by design, they should not
Speaker 2: be making plays.
Speaker 3: But they got to hold up against That's what they
Speaker 3: have to do.
Speaker 2: They have to hold up the Yeah, with the Marcus
Speaker 2: lawnch Once you make that move inside, as Nate Newton
Speaker 2: talked to us about yesterday after the show, you've.
Speaker 5: Created being outnumbered.
Speaker 2: Once you try to go inside as a defensive lineman
Speaker 2: and they're going wide, you have now created a situation
Speaker 2: where they've got more offensive players than defensive players and
Speaker 2: you're outnumbered. And so that's why Kamara was able to
Speaker 2: either go outside or even even if you set the edge,
Speaker 2: he's able to dip in and back out to the
Speaker 2: sideline for healthy games.
Speaker 4: Of Justin Rodgers who is with the Cincinnati Bengals, shingles
Speaker 4: who and he's on their practice squad, so he's available.
Speaker 4: You could you could sign him off their practice squad
Speaker 4: if you like what you saw.
Speaker 2: You know, if you got if you have older guys,
Speaker 2: then you would think that those older guys would have
Speaker 2: the mentality to be able to play it correctly.
Speaker 3: Well, I take it back, Joseph did have two tackles.
Speaker 5: But but that but that's why you get experience. Facts. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you get experienced.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, it's great to have big guys in there,
Speaker 3: but do the job.
Speaker 4: All right, We're gonna continue with more mixed shots in
Speaker 4: just a moment and uh more from what the coordinators
Speaker 4: had to say on Monday and the head coach as
Speaker 4: well when mix shots continues in a moment.
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Speaker 4: Everson had a very timely departure from the s w
Speaker 4: BC podcast studio, so Mickey made the read right there.
Speaker 5: It was a tough read, That's why I left. And
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Speaker 3: Not a lot of periods in commas.
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Speaker 4: Injury update, Jake Ferguson looks like this is a promising
Speaker 4: week for him.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it nearly was. On Sunday. I was told
Speaker 3: before the game that he was really close and he
Speaker 3: wanted to go, but they thought making him inactive was
Speaker 3: to save himself from himself, so they thought that was
Speaker 3: the better long term decision. So I think there's a
Speaker 3: good chance that he'll be able to go. Zach Martin
Speaker 3: did come back in the game. Mike McCarthy yesterday pointed
Speaker 3: out that he would be among the veteran guys that
Speaker 3: don't normally practice on Wednesday. But I think they felt
Speaker 3: like he should be able to go, and we'll still
Speaker 3: keep an eye on what John Stevens is doing as
Speaker 3: the third tight end. Did they elevated fan He ended
Speaker 3: up just playing special teams, Yes, fourteen defensive snaps. He
Speaker 3: didn't get any offensive snaps, and I thought they had
Speaker 3: used over shown no Hunter, uh more than I swear
Speaker 3: when I went back and looked at it, it says
Speaker 3: he only played ten offensive snaps, but I could have
Speaker 3: swore he was out there more than that because they
Speaker 3: were using him a lot as the second tight end.
Speaker 4: Well, it got to a point where they're behind by
Speaker 4: so much they're not running the ball. Yeah, and so
Speaker 4: it so when the game was still in doubt, like
Speaker 4: the first quarter and a half, that's where you saw.
Speaker 3: That's where he maybe maybe I lost track, And then
Speaker 3: after that actually played twenty two snaps as the second
Speaker 3: tight end. Behind Overshown, who I thought in his first
Speaker 3: game that they were kind of leaning on him, I
Speaker 3: mean Scoon maker that he did, Okay, I mean it
Speaker 3: was acceptable.
Speaker 2: Well, he's a good complimentary tight end. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 2: when you're the primary tight end, you kind of want
Speaker 2: him to be primary. But he still basically played complimentary
Speaker 2: even though he was the primary.
Speaker 4: Okay, clear up the over shown Leofoul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so everybody's wondering why Overshown. I think he only
Speaker 3: played eighteen snaps all along while they were bringing him
Speaker 3: back from his ACL Even in training camp, the idea
Speaker 3: was to use him on the nickel. So when they
Speaker 3: were running pat or run heavy formations, they were going
Speaker 3: to use three linebackers and they were going to use Leophile,
Speaker 3: the draft choice, as the other outside linebacker with Kendricks
Speaker 3: and Clark. So that was the package. So in the
Speaker 3: first game, the Browns were in nickel offense, three wide
Speaker 3: receivers most of the games, so over shown played a lot.
Speaker 4: That's why over shown against Cleveland.
Speaker 3: That's Nate and Frisco. I'm doing silence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've done this before. Come on, purpose, I'll see
Speaker 2: you Chris.
Speaker 4: Here here, got it.
Speaker 5: He's just turning it off now right, keep calling Nate.
Speaker 4: Just so, dude, so we can get out here.
Speaker 3: He's still calling on purpose.
Speaker 5: Guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So anyway, that's why in the Cleveland game, over.
Speaker 5: Dude just turned off your all turned off the volume.
Speaker 2: That's the volume of you talking, that's not the volume
Speaker 2: of the ring obviously.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Overshowed had forty four snaps and Leo Foul had
Speaker 4: only nine snaps against Cleveland. But you flipped that in
Speaker 4: this game where Leo Foul had thirty nine snaps and
Speaker 4: overshown at eighteen.
Speaker 11: It's because of the the personnel package, the personnel packages
Speaker 11: that the offense had out there, and they had two
Speaker 11: tight ends, if not two tight ends in a full
Speaker 11: back on the field all the time.
Speaker 4: But the Saints, whereas the Browns were in their nickel
Speaker 4: offense because they were behind in the game.
Speaker 3: So that's why I got Leah Foul got more snaps in.
Speaker 5: He was kind of overshow making a few plays I
Speaker 5: thought he did out. Yeah, yeah, he was flying around.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to at least be excited about it as
Speaker 2: he made plays. I don't like anyone being excited in
Speaker 2: that not making plays.
Speaker 3: He ended up playing six percent of the snaps thirty nine.
Speaker 3: So that's why that took What do people watch when
Speaker 3: they ask those questions like why didn't overshown play more?
Speaker 3: And they were trying to regulate his amount of snaps
Speaker 3: during training camp? Just coming back from the ACL, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think that is a is the issue as much as.
Speaker 3: Well, it was a person it was star and that's
Speaker 3: why the.
Speaker 5: Person they don't know about personnel.
Speaker 2: And now if you're talking about other media guyside okay, okay.
Speaker 4: And it's their skill set too. They relieve, okay, you
Speaker 4: got two young linebackers and you want to get them
Speaker 4: both on the field, and so lea foul his skill
Speaker 4: set is better suited and a lot of times they're
Speaker 4: running him that. It's basically a three to four defense
Speaker 4: where you've got three down linemen. You've got Parsons standing
Speaker 4: on one side, leafhol standing on the other, with Clark
Speaker 4: and Kendricks in the middle. It looks like a Parcels
Speaker 4: three four defense basically, and Leafhols playing an outside linebacker
Speaker 4: over there, the same linebacker. And whereas in your nickel
Speaker 4: now you've got four guys rushing, you got five dbs
Speaker 4: and you got two linebackers. Over shown that's his skill set.
Speaker 4: He's a former safety and he can cover and you know,
Speaker 4: has that speed whatever.
Speaker 5: So that's how you let the poundage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right now, there may be a time where injuries
Speaker 4: happen whatever, And now Overshown and Leofel are getting cross
Speaker 4: trained to be in whatever subpackage is that they aren't
Speaker 4: currently in. But that's a way to get them on
Speaker 4: the field. And so it's dictated by how the game
Speaker 4: plays out. If you fall behind thirty five to thirteen, okay,
Speaker 4: the other team's going to be running the ball and
Speaker 4: Lea Fhile is going to be on the field, you know,
Speaker 4: because that's what the other team's doing.
Speaker 2: Try and other media guys should know that, SPACs, I
Speaker 2: thought you were talking about just fans.
Speaker 3: No out there, you know, because that was you on
Speaker 3: the exercising question to McCarthy and Zimmer yesterday. How about
Speaker 3: the coaches.
Speaker 4: How about the coaches just in general, not specifically on that,
Speaker 4: their press conferences and the questions they get from the
Speaker 4: media us in the media, and how they have to
Speaker 4: be it's such basic one oh one stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: and they've got to answer the questions about.
Speaker 5: It, you know.
Speaker 2: Any media that's in print. I would think that they
Speaker 2: would know better. But you know, you have some of
Speaker 2: these radio guys out here.
Speaker 5: I mean, what about the TV guys, radio guys.
Speaker 2: Radio guys just on there for just personality, and you
Speaker 2: know you can't see them. They just out there having
Speaker 2: fun talking about whatever, and they sound like Joe Blow
Speaker 2: regular fans.
Speaker 5: But you know you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't be on TV or in the print, in
Speaker 2: print making those kind of mistakes.
Speaker 3: Like God, if you're on a podcast, you know, I agree.
Speaker 3: I I always look at some of that and I'm going,
Speaker 3: if I was the head coach, they'd hate me.
Speaker 4: They hate you anyway, Bicky.
Speaker 3: But well, that's true.
Speaker 5: That's why we have the rent On mix shafts. That's
Speaker 5: true because you're the only one that has a rant section.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't soft pedal show on your podcast if I
Speaker 3: got those questions.
Speaker 5: I just you know.
Speaker 4: I was listening to a little bit of John Harball
Speaker 4: driving in because I like to go behind enemy lines
Speaker 4: and listening to a little bit of his press conference yesterday,
Speaker 4: and it was interesting. They've got an issue at Right Guard.
Speaker 4: I think it is where they've got this Falala who's
Speaker 4: been starting and then Ben Cleveland came in, and so
Speaker 4: the media is asking, Okay, why not, why don't you
Speaker 4: go with Cleveland instead of a And Harball was upfront saying,
Speaker 4: Falala is great. Now better than the other guy. The
Speaker 4: other guy once once playing time, then he's going to
Speaker 4: have to start playing better, you know. And so even
Speaker 4: though it to the media it appeared that Cleveland was
Speaker 4: doing better than plaa know the coaches who know a
Speaker 4: little something about it, but he was up front about it.
Speaker 4: Hartball was like, it was refreshing to hear a coach say, yeah,
Speaker 4: he should do better if he wants more playing time.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd be like Popovich.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be like Pop. You'd be insignificant in your
Speaker 2: last years.
Speaker 5: Don't Pop? I like Pop? But man, Pop is Pop.
Speaker 3: Well, how about the poor said in his own rules?
Speaker 5: Now, how about the.
Speaker 3: Poor first year head coach at Carolina having to say,
Speaker 3: try to qualify changing quarterbacks already?
Speaker 4: And so everyone's thinking, it's the owner Tepper who's made
Speaker 4: the decision.
Speaker 2: Well, they said they did say he was, and he
Speaker 2: kept the reason he was.
Speaker 3: He just kept saying it by great things about Bryce Young, right,
Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, why are you benching him?
Speaker 2: You know what, you only want to mess this kid's confidence.
Speaker 3: If you're not ready, you're not ready.
Speaker 2: Because he has a there's a culture of losing now
Speaker 2: around him.
Speaker 4: And you've got veteran players on that team. If the
Speaker 4: if the veteran players are looking okay, we got Andy Dalton.
Speaker 4: It's just we're two games into this and we haven't
Speaker 4: done squat yet. We're getting blown out in two games
Speaker 4: and we they're watching practice and they see this veteran
Speaker 4: guy and now this young guy who's missing on things whatever.
Speaker 4: To to not lose the entire locker room, you got
Speaker 4: to go.
Speaker 5: And has to react. They have to respond for Andy.
Speaker 4: And the other thing is they then with a veteran
Speaker 4: guy coming in there who's done it before. Okay, well
Speaker 4: maybe we misevaluated the entire room. And but now this
Speaker 4: gives us our best chance to win a game. And
Speaker 4: now we can make an assessment on everybody on the team.
Speaker 2: Now and the defensive game plan is going to check
Speaker 2: instrumentously as well.
Speaker 3: How many how many young quarterbacks you think had been
Speaker 3: ruined by getting playing too soon? Yes, that's what came
Speaker 3: to my mind. Who's doing a nice job by the way,
Speaker 3: as a broadcast, what.
Speaker 4: Would have happened to Romo if he had played right
Speaker 4: off the bat.
Speaker 3: Well and to think about this, and if Akman wasn't
Speaker 3: of sound mind, Uh, that could have killed him going
Speaker 3: to eleven in his rookie year. But he was so
Speaker 3: tough and strong minded that he was able to work
Speaker 3: through it.
Speaker 2: But hey, we all had to work through it. He
Speaker 2: wasn't the only one it was all about. I mean,
Speaker 2: anybody rebounded.
Speaker 3: From that that could have that could have.
Speaker 2: Left and rebounded. They stayed and rebounded. You got to
Speaker 2: give all of us.
Speaker 3: Credits because that was tough. And and at that time, offensively,
Speaker 3: he didn't have a lot to work with either. It
Speaker 3: was herschel Walker.
Speaker 5: Even the next year. Uh, in ninety they didn't have.
Speaker 4: With all with y'all, we were watching this stuff. We
Speaker 4: rebounded to we should have bailed on the team. Okay,
Speaker 4: we could have bailed and gone someplace times Harold folded,
Speaker 4: Mickey could have gone elsewhere, you.
Speaker 3: Know, but he stilled with it folded three years later.
Speaker 3: You know what my philosophy on you guys.
Speaker 5: That's so courageous. I just that's what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was so curagous thank you for your courage,
Speaker 3: my philosophy on that one in fifteen season, you were
Speaker 3: oh and nine, and I'm going it was my first
Speaker 3: year to do the team by myself, and I'm going,
Speaker 3: I am going to cover NFL history. I am going
Speaker 3: to see oh and sixteen. This is going to be great.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, why are you so happy about that?
Speaker 3: Typical media guy? You won one, and I'm going, on, now,
Speaker 3: it's just a bad season.
Speaker 5: That was the only good game I had that year,
Speaker 5: and we won away from home.
Speaker 3: Was at Washington thirteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like we played against Doug.
Speaker 3: He was there with a thirteen nine champions.
Speaker 4: Like the Sunday night game or the Monday night game one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. Was he hurt or was he just
Speaker 3: getting back when.
Speaker 5: He was definitely you know his knee, His knee was bad.
Speaker 3: He's still and it was a night game on top
Speaker 3: of him.
Speaker 5: I remember Sunday night.
Speaker 3: Right on deadline.
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