Speaker 1: Like you got the tools, you got the talent, but
Speaker 1: also changing the dynamic in the clubhouse. It's another one
Speaker 1: of the things Friedman has talked about.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: Hello everybody, and welcome to the brand new live episode
Speaker 3: of Dodgers Territory on this Thursday, the final Dodgers Territory
Speaker 3: prior to the trade deadline. We will be back on
Speaker 3: Friday for post But as far as the regular show
Speaker 3: is concerned.
Speaker 4: This is it.
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of show coming up Injury Territories.
Speaker 3: Will Carroll's going to join us a little bit later
Speaker 3: talking all the things show Hey o Tani and the knee,
Speaker 3: Will Smith and the Neck, among other things.
Speaker 4: But first let's get into.
Speaker 3: Some trade deadline talk. It is time now for rumor
Speaker 3: has as you saw it there, and of course everybody's
Speaker 3: mind is on the trade deadline. It is Monday at
Speaker 3: six pm Eastern. Andrew Friedman earlier, speaking to reporters on Wednesday,
Speaker 3: Clint and shared a little bit of nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a par for the course.
Speaker 1: Andrew Friedman media availability or whatever. He's not gonna tip
Speaker 1: his hand. This is not what he does, and he
Speaker 1: would be dumb to be like, oh yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go out and get this guy, get this guy. But
Speaker 1: there was still some interesting kind of you know, you
Speaker 1: read the tea leaves, you speak enough Andrew Friedman, you
Speaker 1: can kind of, you know, parse some things from it.
Speaker 1: So I'd say, let's listen to the little Andy as
Speaker 1: I like to call him. Let's listen to Andy, and
Speaker 1: we'll come back and kind of download what he has
Speaker 1: to say about the state of the team and where
Speaker 1: they're at heading into the deadline.
Speaker 5: Good news is for each of them, the injury part
Speaker 5: of it is behind us, and now it's about how
Speaker 5: to build up and get them back. And we talk
Speaker 5: about this a lot with guys coming back from injury.
Speaker 5: Get them back to stay back, not get them back
Speaker 5: as quickly as we can, but get them back to
Speaker 5: stay back. And so that is kind of what we
Speaker 5: are messing with. But as far as them coming back,
Speaker 5: we feel really good about it. And you know, it's
Speaker 5: balancing all of that, which we have had to do
Speaker 5: a number of julyes of thinking through that. But feel
Speaker 5: really good about the talent base we have in place,
Speaker 5: not just on field, but also how the group messes together.
Speaker 5: And so, like always, we're going to be thoughtful and
Speaker 5: careful about what we potentially add to that dynamic. You know,
Speaker 5: on one hand, we're always of the mind of, you know,
Speaker 5: trying to do everything we can to put ourselves in
Speaker 5: the best position to win. Sometimes we're fortunate enough to
Speaker 5: line up on things, sometimes not, but I think always
Speaker 5: while being mindful of our group, the dynamic, you know
Speaker 5: where we're at. And also so at least the last
Speaker 5: couple of years of trying to make a really concerted
Speaker 5: effort to be really aggressive in the off season to
Speaker 5: avoid having an acute need in July, because when you
Speaker 5: have an acute need, it's really challenging because you're paying
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty cents two hundred cents on the dollar.
Speaker 5: So we try everything we can to avoid that of
Speaker 5: having to do something. But when you're able to, you know,
Speaker 5: be in a position to be a little bit more
Speaker 5: selective and yeah, opportunistic about what potentially is available, it
Speaker 5: just puts you in a better position. So as much
Speaker 5: flexibility as we can have, the better.
Speaker 4: I love the fact that he said something.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that he said that I like,
Speaker 3: but one of the things that really stood out to me, Clint,
Speaker 3: I want your opinion about it, He said, Listen, we
Speaker 3: tried to do everything we could in the off season
Speaker 3: so we didn't have to have an absolute you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know how we said it, but like unique need,
Speaker 3: that's a cute need at the trade deadline because it
Speaker 3: does get a lot more expensive. So this is a
Speaker 3: very bright front office. We've said that a lot. One
Speaker 3: thing he did not talk about, and I would not
Speaker 3: expect him to, is Terrek Scooble. That is a big
Speaker 3: domino that probably needs to drop, obviously to see where
Speaker 3: everybody else falls. You're not going to assume Andrew Friedman
Speaker 3: is going to talk about Schooble. But Ken Rosenthalt today
Speaker 3: on Fair Territory said it is all pointing to a
Speaker 3: trade somewhere. What is your takeaway from Andrew's little presser there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll dive more into the Schooble side of things.
Speaker 1: But listening to Andrew, he's saying a lot of what
Speaker 1: we heard the last couple of years and the right things. Honestly,
Speaker 1: this team, as we know, this forty man roster heading
Speaker 1: into spring training as it was built, is was and
Speaker 1: will continue to be good enough to win. Go out
Speaker 1: there and three pete. Now, of course, right now it
Speaker 1: doesn't look as good. You're missing a few pieces. You're
Speaker 1: still missing Tyler glassanaw, you're still missing Blake Snell. Snell
Speaker 1: returns probably maybe next week, and then Tyler Glass now
Speaker 1: maybe about a month behind him. He should be heading
Speaker 1: out on a rehab a little bit later. We'll get
Speaker 1: more updates, by the way from Will Carroll on those
Speaker 1: kind of injuries and whether or not they're kind of
Speaker 1: concerning to be reinjured. But there's another factor here, like
Speaker 1: you got the tools, you got the talent, but also
Speaker 1: changing the dynamic in the clubhouse. It's another one of
Speaker 1: the things Friedman talked about there has talked about in
Speaker 1: the past as well, him, Brandon Gomes, Dave Roberts. It's
Speaker 1: about not just bringing in the best talent, but also
Speaker 1: bringing in the right talent. We've heard Max Munzi address
Speaker 1: this as well, or at least touch on this as well.
Speaker 1: Not to say Trek Scoogle is some sort of you know,
Speaker 1: d bag who doesn't fit the mold of being a
Speaker 1: dodger and trying to win. But right now, you know,
Speaker 1: you and I were talking earlier on our production call,
Speaker 1: like we've heard some people, as mostly Jeff Passon, who
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned in passing maybe maybe the Dodgers could
Speaker 1: look to move from an area of depth and trade
Speaker 1: Taoscar Hernandez. So there's not only bringing guys in, but
Speaker 1: taking guys out of the equation in that clubhouse for
Speaker 1: a team that is gelling so well, that is back
Speaker 1: to back champions and going for that three peat. I
Speaker 1: don't see you know, I have it on the screen here.
Speaker 1: It says, well, a la be busy or boring. Boring
Speaker 1: is probably a bit short of a word, but it's
Speaker 1: not boring. Is to get the guys back that they
Speaker 1: already signed a year ago or two years ago or
Speaker 1: you know, this past offseason.
Speaker 2: Whatever. It's a really good team.
Speaker 1: And I'm not upset if Andrew decides to be dull.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is if you're boring or
Speaker 3: if you're dull, it's because you have all of the
Speaker 3: pieces that you believe you need to get into the
Speaker 3: postseason and get back to the World Series. I mean,
Speaker 3: if the Dodgers had an absolutely glaring need and they
Speaker 3: went out there and they couldn't get something, and they
Speaker 3: were just trying to get something to be exciting. I'd
Speaker 3: much rather be in the position that the Dodgers are
Speaker 3: in right now, having pretty much what they do need
Speaker 3: and getting reinforcements back. Obviously, kiy Key Hernandez is back,
Speaker 3: which we know that he is. Mister October Edwin Diaz
Speaker 3: is back. That can only make your bullpen better, a
Speaker 3: bullpen that really has struggled for the Dodgers in the
Speaker 3: month of July. It was great to hear the music
Speaker 3: at Dodgers Stadium. It was great to see him come out.
Speaker 3: And you are getting Blake Snell back probably next week.
Speaker 3: He had a good rehab outing. Perhaps he's back next week.
Speaker 3: Maybe he doesn't have to do another rehab start.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Tyler Glasenow at some point is going to be back.
Speaker 3: But again with the Dodger starting rotation that they have
Speaker 3: right now, the first round in the Division Series, you
Speaker 3: only need three, right and they're gonna they have more
Speaker 3: than enough. And we'll talk about Eric Louer in just
Speaker 3: a hot second. But I love the position that they're
Speaker 3: in right now with the reinforcements that are coming back.
Speaker 3: They don't have a massive glaring need. My only question
Speaker 3: to you, Clint, if I'm thinking about a need.
Speaker 4: For this team. To me, it's at the catching spot again.
Speaker 3: We're gonna we know that Will Smith has been stacking
Speaker 3: good days and we're going to talk to Will Carroll
Speaker 3: about Will Smith coming up as far as his neck
Speaker 3: injury is concerned.
Speaker 4: But I need a.
Speaker 3: More bonafide backup catcher that has playoff experience if something
Speaker 3: does happen where Will Smith can't come back when he wants.
Speaker 4: To or when they need him to.
Speaker 3: Love Dalton Rushing, love what the kid's doing, but he
Speaker 3: is not my playoff caliber starting catcher throughout the postseason.
Speaker 1: I mean he isn't because he hasn't done it yet.
Speaker 1: I think the tools are there, the talent is there,
Speaker 1: the makeup is there. I trust anybody the Dodgers want
Speaker 1: to hand the keys to the way they have to
Speaker 1: Dalton Rushing. If they didn't trust him, he would not
Speaker 1: be catching as much as he has.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the backup to the backup.
Speaker 1: The understudy to the understudy leaves a little bit to
Speaker 1: be desired. With all due respect to Eliezer Alfonso, but
Speaker 1: he's here for now. I know the Tigers, they dfaid
Speaker 1: and I believe have since released Jake Rodgers, who has
Speaker 1: been Trek Scooble's I think somewhat personal catchers.
Speaker 4: So is he is he bringing Trek Scooble with him?
Speaker 4: Is he coming over like? Is this like a Is
Speaker 4: this a two for one?
Speaker 2: Doubtful? Sources point two.
Speaker 1: If it's a backup catcher that has been dfa'd, he's
Speaker 1: probably doesn't have a doesn't have the poll. You know,
Speaker 1: Kirsh didn't go to Philly with a j Ellis. I
Speaker 1: doubt we're gonna have Schooble flying with Jake Rodgers.
Speaker 2: But that's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of shit about it when
Speaker 1: I posted like, oh future Dodger shortly after the DFA.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at the numbers. I don't care about
Speaker 1: the offense. I need somebody who can command a pitching
Speaker 1: staff if if he is pressed into duty. We know,
Speaker 1: as I've talked so much about with Ben Rourtvett, we
Speaker 1: know he can do that with this team, and he
Speaker 1: has done it with this team in the past. If
Speaker 1: it is somebody like that, maybe it makes sense. But
Speaker 1: I still think I wouldn't call it an acute need,
Speaker 1: but there is a need. There would be a bonus
Speaker 1: of benefit to having a backup catcher. But how about
Speaker 1: we you know, let's let's talk about the important elephant
Speaker 1: in the room, the Schooble stuff. We we have a
Speaker 1: way of bearing the lead because I think both you
Speaker 1: and I we listen, We know everybody wants to talk
Speaker 1: about it, and you know we're going to be a
Speaker 1: little bitchy about it, like no, no, you guys can
Speaker 1: wait for us.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you about this when we feel that it's.
Speaker 3: Definitely it's definitely on the top of everybody's mind, right,
Speaker 3: and he is the biggest piece as far as that
Speaker 3: is concerned.
Speaker 4: But let's be very clear about this.
Speaker 3: This would be a rental, right, So you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to think about the amount of pieces it's going to
Speaker 3: take to give to the Detroit Tigers in order to
Speaker 3: get Trek Scooble for three months of the season. Because
Speaker 3: his agent is Scott Boris, so you know that he
Speaker 3: is going to free agency. This is not an opportunity
Speaker 3: like when we got Mooki Bets in the trade that
Speaker 3: we could extend Mooki bet right. This is going to
Speaker 3: be a situation where we will get Trek Schouoble via trade,
Speaker 3: but then we will go to free agency and see
Speaker 3: if he wants to remain in LA or if other
Speaker 3: teams are going to take him away from LA. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's this is we have to be clear. So what
Speaker 3: do you want to give up for him? What does
Speaker 3: that look like? What other teams have a deep farm
Speaker 3: system or current Major League Baseball players that they're willing
Speaker 3: to give up in this Tarrek Schooble trade.
Speaker 4: Everyone's talking about it. He's going to be traded. I mean,
Speaker 4: do we have the pieces?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: Is that something that is going to happen considering the
Speaker 3: pieces we're getting back, knowing that.
Speaker 4: He's going to go to free agency, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dodgers absolutely have the pieces to make a deal
Speaker 1: like that happen. We know the Tigers are going to trade.
Speaker 1: They would be They would be dumb to not trade
Speaker 1: Trek Schooble. At this point, you don't want to see
Speaker 1: them do what the Angels did with show hey Atani
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and just let him walk
Speaker 1: for a draft pick. And it's not a very high
Speaker 1: draft pick next year, I believe for the Tigers. So
Speaker 1: you got to get something of value right now. Later
Speaker 1: on in the show, maybe we'll mess around, do some predictions.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll throw out a mock trade idea that everybody
Speaker 1: can crap all over. But one guy who has been
Speaker 1: leading the charge for weeks on this amongst the many
Speaker 1: is Jeff Passing, And you know, all hail we trespassing
Speaker 1: along with the best of them there. But he said
Speaker 1: the Dodgers are the favorites. So this was yesterday.
Speaker 6: They are the.
Speaker 1: Favorites at this point and quote, frankly have been since
Speaker 1: the possibility of Trek Scooble getting traded first surface a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. The Dodgers are in the conversation.
Speaker 1: Andrew Friedman also mentioned they are always going to be
Speaker 1: in the conversation. If there is a star level player
Speaker 1: in the game is available at any time, they're always
Speaker 1: going to participate in those conversations. You could have a
Speaker 1: talk about Trek scoobl but it's about the fit, it's
Speaker 1: about the acute need. And yes, with the show Heyo
Speaker 1: Tani knee and bicep situation, they keep maintaining he's going
Speaker 1: to be available, He's going to be ready by the
Speaker 1: post season. But riz you know, shoe Otani's best value
Speaker 1: to this team is hitting Dingers out of that leadoff spot.
Speaker 1: If there's anything that is going to compromise his ability
Speaker 1: to slug in October, I'm willing to sacrifice him on
Speaker 1: the mound.
Speaker 2: Like, not literally, you know, it's not going to be.
Speaker 1: Blood pouring out or anything like that, but I'm willing
Speaker 1: to be without, you know, withhold pitching in October, or
Speaker 1: maybe minimize it to a great degree for show hey.
Speaker 1: And you know a great fill in would be Trek Scoogle.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting, it's it's really interesting position here. The
Speaker 1: Dodgers are in you know, another guy, maybe that makes
Speaker 1: sense going over to Detroit, Eric Lauer, He's been good.
Speaker 3: Continued before we get on that train for a second.
Speaker 3: First of all, Shoeo Tani is not a chicken. This
Speaker 3: is not Jobu in Major League. Okay, we're not sacrificing
Speaker 3: show Heyotani. And the reason that he's so valuable at
Speaker 3: the plate is because we don't necessarily I mean, is
Speaker 3: he better? You know, is our rotation better with shoe
Speaker 3: Heeyo Tani in it? Yes, But because our rotation is
Speaker 3: so good, you don't notice the Shoeo Tani not pitching,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like there's there's people, there's
Speaker 3: there's pieces that can fill out that rotation incredibly. Well,
Speaker 3: Amazon's at my house by the way, so getting something.
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Speaker 4: That'd be great.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, I just think that the rest
Speaker 3: would be good for him because you and I and
Speaker 3: Katie Wu talked about this the other day about how
Speaker 3: a couple of days off for him is not the
Speaker 3: worst thing in the world that could happen, because of
Speaker 3: the position that the daughters are in, because of the
Speaker 3: lead that they already have, because unless something unbelievable happens,
Speaker 3: they will win this division and they will likely get
Speaker 3: home field advantage throughout the playoffs based on overall record
Speaker 3: and all of the things that go into that. Now,
Speaker 3: Eric Lower, that is an interesting conversation. And when I
Speaker 3: was on ex early today teasing our show, I said,
Speaker 3: Eric Lower has been such a great piece of this
Speaker 3: puzzle for the Dodgers and their starting rotation. But will
Speaker 3: he be in a Dodgery uniform come August fourth? And
Speaker 3: I don't think so, because again you and I talked
Speaker 3: about this with Katie. He's been so valuable for this team.
Speaker 3: But he's not going to be on this postseason roster
Speaker 3: based on the pieces, based on the pieces that are
Speaker 3: coming back and the needs that the Dodgers will have
Speaker 3: at that time. So he's better served perhaps going into
Speaker 3: trade to get somebody else on it, to go to
Speaker 3: Wood team and hopefully it's a contender, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: he's earned that right.
Speaker 4: Hopefully it's a contender to go.
Speaker 3: To Wood team to where he will be in the
Speaker 3: starting rotation on a postseason team and will be able
Speaker 3: to eat those innings and those types of things. So
Speaker 3: I joked about it. I know it's not realistic, it's
Speaker 3: not a rule. I wish we could keep him, you know,
Speaker 3: until the end of the season and we get into
Speaker 3: the postseason and then you know, trade him to a
Speaker 3: team that can use him because we're not and need
Speaker 3: him at that time.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's really easy to have our cake
Speaker 1: and eat it too, as as Dodgers fans. And he's
Speaker 1: you know, again, he's somebody who's been great delirium in
Speaker 1: the chat saying lower is valuable insurance indeed, But you
Speaker 1: know they were honest with him when they acquired him.
Speaker 1: He is viewed as a rental for this organization, even
Speaker 1: Katie mentioning, you know, as you mentioned, he is not
Speaker 1: even in the bullpen picture. Like if you have Eric
Speaker 1: Lower as good as he's been, nail as guarant guaranteed
Speaker 1: win for the team that day as he has been,
Speaker 1: he's still just not up to snuff enough for this
Speaker 1: club heading into October.
Speaker 3: So we just we just have a lot of bodies, right,
Speaker 3: and he's not a bullpen guy. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess he could go out there and eat innings, but
Speaker 3: it's just a different type of it's a different type
Speaker 3: of animal out there in the bullpen. I'd rather see
Speaker 3: him be able to do what he does well for
Speaker 3: another contending team. There's just, unfortunately for him, there's just
Speaker 3: not enough space in what is already a great pitching
Speaker 3: staff top to one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, if he's going anywhere, it's going to
Speaker 1: be the same like they did last year with Dustin May.
Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be going to a club
Speaker 1: that has some sort of playoff aspirations.
Speaker 2: And again I.
Speaker 1: Teased maybe maybe the Tigers there you can find a
Speaker 1: way to mix him into some sort of conversation. It's
Speaker 1: not a beautiful picture playoff picture for the Tigers, but
Speaker 1: there is still something there. But to your question, to
Speaker 1: your your comment on the Twitter, X, do I think
Speaker 1: he's a Dodger. I would love to see him be
Speaker 1: a Dodger after August fourth.
Speaker 2: But I really don't think he is.
Speaker 1: With just stay to the rotation, knowing you're getting Snell
Speaker 1: back next week most likely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: You know, they already started making their deadline editions as
Speaker 1: it is. Keith a Hernandez returned this week. Edwin Diaz
Speaker 1: made his return last night, earned the save immediately. They
Speaker 1: made those guys Snell getting closer Glass. Now you know,
Speaker 1: we said Will Smith stacking good days.
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Speaker 3: you so much. Let's start with the Unicorn show. Hey o, Tani,
Speaker 3: it is a left knee, it is a right bicep.
Speaker 3: Tell me more about those two things and will we
Speaker 3: see him pitch again anytime soon?
Speaker 6: Yeah? First I have to say a plethora. Hefe you
Speaker 6: got that reference, but you know it's with joey Otani.
Speaker 6: It's the two issues. Andrew Friedman had a great quote
Speaker 6: this morning talking about he didn't want him throwing with
Speaker 6: an arm under one hundred percent because he was compensating
Speaker 6: for the knee, which we know as a problem. Let's
Speaker 6: first talk about that knee. It is a moniscus tear,
Speaker 6: and we've seen this injury forever. They're managing this. He's
Speaker 6: been managing it since early in the season and still
Speaker 6: don't know exactly when it happened, but it's common. It
Speaker 6: is not that bipartite patella that a lot of people
Speaker 6: have been speculating. They fixed that a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: so it's not that, you know, it doesn't suddenly grow
Speaker 6: back bipartite the miscus. They want to get him through
Speaker 6: the season. They've been managing it. He had a hyaluronic
Speaker 6: acid injection that's basically a lubricant. That's all that is.
Speaker 6: It's a natural substance. He just put more of it
Speaker 6: into the joint space and it appears to work a
Speaker 6: little bit. So what they've been doing is trying to
Speaker 6: keep him at a level of chronic workload so that
Speaker 6: he doesn't have to start at zero. He's not going
Speaker 6: out on a rehab assignment. Can he throw two or
Speaker 6: three innings? Yes? Could he throw as an opener? Could
Speaker 6: he throw as a closer? Are they going to have
Speaker 6: to build him back? I don't think the knee is
Speaker 6: going to be a problem. I really don't think the
Speaker 6: biceps issue is going to be a problem. And that's
Speaker 6: honestly a shoulder issue. You know, if I point here,
Speaker 6: is that your shoulder or your biceps, biceps tenon goes
Speaker 6: up into the shoulder. So I don't think that's a problem.
Speaker 6: I think this is fully a maintenance issue, and they're
Speaker 6: used to this with him and with god knows how
Speaker 6: many other players. That's honestly, the one thing that worries
Speaker 6: me about this is because they have so many players
Speaker 6: that you know, they're having to maintain. There's only so
Speaker 6: many man hours of all the things the Dodgers might
Speaker 6: go spend some money on. How about another athletic trainer,
Speaker 6: how about another physical therapist, just to add man hours there?
Speaker 2: I think you apply in right here? Is that what
Speaker 2: we're going for?
Speaker 6: Get a little bit of a oh, I'm not qualified.
Speaker 6: I'm not qualified. Maybe they just bring Ron Porterfield back
Speaker 6: short term.
Speaker 1: The thing yet, I've been you know, kind of leading
Speaker 1: the charge of giving show Hay a little bit more
Speaker 1: rest or as Dave Roberts would love to say, given
Speaker 1: him a blow. They keep maintaining this is not something
Speaker 1: that's going to be further aggravated by you know, pitching
Speaker 1: or whatever. The niece more so than anything. But it
Speaker 1: feels to me that if you know, the knee is effected,
Speaker 1: it's going to affect other things and maybe that's where
Speaker 1: this biceps issues to come from.
Speaker 2: They've kind of led on to that, like is there
Speaker 2: what is.
Speaker 1: I don't want to question the organization, but what does
Speaker 1: it hurt them to give him ten days off in
Speaker 1: August just to kind of rest him, don't do anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's still running every day, He's still going
Speaker 1: out there playing baseball, swinging, pushing off of that back
Speaker 1: knee rather than that left knee, rather.
Speaker 2: Than landing on it.
Speaker 1: Is this something that would benefit him just to get
Speaker 1: that maybe ten day reset and you have him.
Speaker 2: Healthy for October?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I speculated about that a little bit today in
Speaker 6: Under the Knife, talking about both Otani and Will Smith
Speaker 6: when Will Smith comes back, you know that neck is
Speaker 6: likely going to need a little time off here and there,
Speaker 6: but the DH slot just isn't available because Otani is good.
Speaker 6: So if Otani takes a ten day rest and Smith
Speaker 6: and some others can go in there get sort of
Speaker 6: that half day off, I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 6: So is that something that can consider? Yes. The thing
Speaker 6: to remember here is that the athletic trainers and the
Speaker 6: doctors have their hands on him. They know exactly what
Speaker 6: he's dealing with. They've dealt with him however many years now,
Speaker 6: and doctor Alatrosh even for that when he was with
Speaker 6: the Angels, did his elbow and some other things, So
Speaker 6: this is something they understand. If he's at a nine
Speaker 6: he doesn't need the rest, and he's at a six,
Speaker 6: then maybe. And I think the pieces and parts are
Speaker 6: going to depend because you know it is glasnow back
Speaker 6: at that point, is Snell at that back at that point,
Speaker 6: is schoobl a Dodger at that point. So there's a
Speaker 6: lot of things that will factor into that, but I
Speaker 6: definitely think it's a possibility.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to talk to you about Will You
Speaker 3: had mentioned Will Smith in the neck and when I
Speaker 3: think about the neck.
Speaker 4: It just makes me nervous.
Speaker 3: It just really makes me have pause for a variety
Speaker 3: of reasons. Obviously, what is he dealing with exactly, and
Speaker 3: is there more concern for this to recur, you know,
Speaker 3: in the in the future. How careful do you need
Speaker 3: to be with him?
Speaker 6: I don't think it's too careful. But he's a catcher,
Speaker 6: so he's gonna get beat up. We understand that he
Speaker 6: understands that we don't know exactly what this is that
Speaker 6: Dodgers haven't been, you know, perfectly clear on this. We
Speaker 6: know it's a neck issue. We know it's not a
Speaker 6: disc issue. It points to a facet joint, which is
Speaker 6: kind of this small joint. And if it's not a nerve,
Speaker 6: and if it's not a disc, then it's just a
Speaker 6: comfort issue. If he can't turn his head, if he
Speaker 6: can't take a foul ball off the mask without pain,
Speaker 6: that's problematic. So I do think that the injections he's had,
Speaker 6: just simple painkillers, epidurals, those have seemed to have given
Speaker 6: him some relief they didn't earlier, And those often come
Speaker 6: in a series of three, and it is not unusual
Speaker 6: for somebody to not get a lot of relief until
Speaker 6: the third one. Nobody knows why, but he's gearing up.
Speaker 6: It looks like he's gonna get back to baseball activities
Speaker 6: real soon, and that I think he'll go on a
Speaker 6: really quick rehab assignment. I don't think they need to
Speaker 6: see five ten games or back to back caught games
Speaker 6: from him. I think they need to know he's comfortable,
Speaker 6: that he recovers, and even with that, rushing has been
Speaker 6: mostly good, a little bit problematic, but mostly good. So
Speaker 6: they've got depth there.
Speaker 2: Tyler Glasnow is the other guy.
Speaker 1: You know, glass Now and Blake Snell make this team
Speaker 1: trek Scoogle proof or make it where you don't necessarily
Speaker 1: need him, and Glassnow has been one.
Speaker 2: It's been a frustrating one. I mean, this back.
Speaker 1: Issue, he's he's a long, lanky dude. Maybe you don't
Speaker 1: sprain fat, maybe needs to put a couple of pounds
Speaker 1: on something like that, but this seems like something that
Speaker 1: you know, finally, you know, we use the adage, you know,
Speaker 1: stacking good days, as Dodgers said themselves, but he's stacking
Speaker 1: good days. He's thrown to hitters now and we're on
Speaker 1: target to see him head out on a rehab assignment
Speaker 1: potentially next week. What can you tell us about this
Speaker 1: back issue? And in the same breath, is this one
Speaker 1: of those things that we could see kind of flare
Speaker 1: up into October as you know the workload increases.
Speaker 6: Yes, and no, I mean anything can recur. This is
Speaker 6: a muscle strain rather than you know when you hear backspasms.
Speaker 6: The scary thing is that ninety percent of the time
Speaker 6: nobody knows why they just came up. He slept wrong,
Speaker 6: you turned funny, you did something, you stepped on a rock.
Speaker 6: You never know what it is, So you're just chasing
Speaker 6: the symptoms. With this. It's a muscle strain. They've seen it.
Speaker 6: It heals like any other muscle, and he goes on
Speaker 6: with life. He's throwing, he's doing well. It's been a
Speaker 6: slow process, but part of that is the Dodger's context.
Speaker 6: They haven't needed him. Same with blake'snew blake'snow had the
Speaker 6: same elbow procedure as as Trek Scoble did. Scooble was
Speaker 6: back in thirty four days and he could have been
Speaker 6: back in twenty seven. He was ready to go, and
Speaker 6: they absolutely forced him to go in that rehab assignment.
Speaker 6: It was not necessary, and he absolutely made fools of
Speaker 6: those double A kids. So I guess they can tell
Speaker 6: their greend kids about that. Snell. It was a roster crunch,
Speaker 6: and you guys have probably talked about that. He's already ready,
Speaker 6: he just has to build up. And the fact is
Speaker 6: he had you know, they he basically got a three
Speaker 6: month off because they're worried about October. They're not worried
Speaker 6: at all about August.
Speaker 1: And that's what this team is able to do. Of course,
Speaker 1: and there have been people in our chat weekly asking
Speaker 1: is this something particularly Will Smith, where the Dodgers can
Speaker 1: afford themselves the time or afford those players the time
Speaker 1: to get extra healthy. I guess you know, nobody's ever
Speaker 1: going to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: It's not only that. As they can afford the extra time,
Speaker 6: they've got the extra depth. This is a team that
Speaker 6: understood this going in. If you go back, I had
Speaker 6: Ron Porterfield, the former Dodgers athletic trainer, on injury territory. Gosh,
Speaker 6: I think it was back in April, and he acknowledged
Speaker 6: they knew they brought in guys who were risk they
Speaker 6: knew they were going to take injuries. They knew they
Speaker 6: had guys like Clayton Kershaw who weren't going to make
Speaker 6: it through the season. Even choey Otani, they has a
Speaker 6: ton of risks. He is amazing, but he's probably never
Speaker 6: been healthy. What would he be like at full strength?
Speaker 6: So the Dodgers do this with full knowledge. For like
Speaker 6: the seventh straight year they lead the league in days
Speaker 6: loss to injuries. They get it. So, yeah, this is
Speaker 6: part of the plan more than anything else.
Speaker 3: Well, with Snell, is there any concern of that elbow
Speaker 3: flaring up or having any sort of issue with scar
Speaker 3: tissue or anything like that because of the scope? Tell
Speaker 3: us more about that procedure itself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, there's almost no chance it's going to recur quickly. Now.
Speaker 6: Bone chips happen for a reason. Sometimes they just happen,
Speaker 6: you know, bone little pieces of calcium just show up
Speaker 6: in a joint. Sometimes they chip off. Sometimes it's a
Speaker 6: bone chip or a bone spur that flakes off. Million
Speaker 6: different reasons. They're usually it's just if it crunches in
Speaker 6: that joint. If you can imagine having a joint where
Speaker 6: little things are in it, it's bad. You don't want that.
Speaker 6: So with the nano needle. It is literally the size
Speaker 6: of what you would have blood drawn with, except it
Speaker 6: does everything that an arthroscope does. They're doing, you know,
Speaker 6: major surgeries, rotator cuff surgeries. Again, if you go back
Speaker 6: to injury territory. Right after the surgery, Neil Eltrosh came
Speaker 6: on and talked about all the different things he was doing, shoulders, knees, ankles.
Speaker 6: I think that the scope is going to replace mur
Speaker 6: eyes fairly quickly. Imagine the rams are playing, somebody twists
Speaker 6: their knee. You go into the medical tent and instead
Speaker 6: of waiting, you just stick a needle in there and go, Yep,
Speaker 6: that moniscus is tomre and nore. Nope, the ACL is fine.
Speaker 6: That's almost literally what it can do today. There's some
Speaker 6: issues just of cleanliness and infection, so I don't think
Speaker 6: we're gonna get to that stage quickly, but that's where
Speaker 6: we are. There is you know, he could have thrown
Speaker 6: two days after Schooble was throwing three days after the procedure.
Speaker 6: That's how little problem there was with it. You only
Speaker 6: wish it had come quicker quick enough that we would
Speaker 6: be talking about Edwin Diaz scope. I guess it doesn't
Speaker 6: have quite The branding is the Schooble scope, as Scott
Speaker 6: Boris tried to make it.
Speaker 2: Hey, I buy in on Schooble scope. I'll pay for that.
Speaker 1: And also I got a lot of random crunchy bits
Speaker 1: and pieces in the elbow and the shoulders. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: need one of those scopes and the five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: copay or whatever on Schooble. Everybody's talking about Trek scouable
Speaker 1: to the Dodgers. If he's going anywhere, it's going to
Speaker 1: be to the Dodgers. You know, obviously a lot of
Speaker 1: teams in the mix. I think he'd be frightening on
Speaker 1: the Brewers, but that's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the misery side of it.
Speaker 1: Should teams have, you know, in the trade market for Terrek,
Speaker 1: scoople have concerns, have pause over that elbow and more
Speaker 1: so kind of the declining velocity we've seen over the
Speaker 1: last handful of starts for him this year and coming
Speaker 1: back from that the Schooble scope.
Speaker 6: No, I'm not worried about the velocity. I think they mishandled.
Speaker 6: I think they fumbled his build up as he was
Speaker 6: coming back. I think they were so worried about holding
Speaker 6: him back they didn't get him the right spot. So
Speaker 6: there's a little bit of fatigue. You can see his
Speaker 6: workload is a little bit high. We don't get to
Speaker 6: see all the workload, and honestly, we still don't know
Speaker 6: how to factor in things like sleep and rest and
Speaker 6: nutrition and things like that. But no, I'm not worried
Speaker 6: about school at all, And the Dodgers should be less
Speaker 6: worried about him than anyone because it was Neil Latros
Speaker 6: who did the surgery. Their own team orthopedist was the
Speaker 6: one who did it. So he's actually been inside Schoobl's elbow,
Speaker 6: was able to see the UCL was able to see
Speaker 6: that flex or repair, was able to see you know,
Speaker 6: are there going to be more bone chips? Are there
Speaker 6: areas that are rough inside there? So he knows. Funny
Speaker 6: thing is he can't really tell them yet until they
Speaker 6: get to a stage where they trade medical He's got
Speaker 6: to like wink and nod and you know, he's he's
Speaker 6: got to be a doctor, so you can't just give
Speaker 6: away patient stuff. But I imagine he's got you know,
Speaker 6: little wings and nods that he can give here with
Speaker 6: other teams, I don't think anybody's terribly worried about it.
Speaker 6: I talked to a team two days ago about this
Speaker 6: exact thing. You know, how confident was I in the scope,
Speaker 6: and it's one hundred percent. This is not a new procedure.
Speaker 6: It's new for a picture of his caliber, and that
Speaker 6: he just happened to be the first to have it.
Speaker 6: I think you always kind of want a star pitcher.
Speaker 6: You want somebody who's going to succeed so that it
Speaker 6: looks good. I mean, if it hadn't been Tommy John
Speaker 6: that had the first one, would it have been as successful.
Speaker 6: You know, Brent Stroum is as great a pitching coach
Speaker 6: as he was. Didn't make it back to the major leagues,
Speaker 6: but he was already a fringy guy, So you know,
Speaker 6: Brent strong surgery doesn't have quite the same ring I'm
Speaker 6: not worried about schoobl at all. I don't think most
Speaker 6: teams are scared of Schooble. And one thing I will say,
Speaker 6: you know, I heard you talking a lot of about
Speaker 6: him being a rental, that you don't have the chance
Speaker 6: to extend him. I'm not sure that's true, and that's
Speaker 6: just because of the situation we're in with the CBA.
Speaker 6: If you know it goes to December, Scott Boris already
Speaker 6: knows who's going to make offers and what it's going
Speaker 6: to be. I mean, and it's no secret who's got
Speaker 6: that kind of money, who want that kind of pitchure.
Speaker 6: But we also know the contract rules are likely to change.
Speaker 6: I don't think the MLB is going to get the
Speaker 6: five year thing. But you know, if you're talking a
Speaker 6: difference between a five hundred million dollar contract that has
Speaker 6: to be done in November versus a two hundred and
Speaker 6: twenty five million contract, if you don't hitting the open market,
Speaker 6: doesn't make a lot of sense. And we know the
Speaker 6: Dodgers are a team that knows how to, you know,
Speaker 6: do a little bit of accounting work, a little bit
Speaker 6: of annuity work and make these things work out for everybody.
Speaker 4: Well, they certainly have the means to do so.
Speaker 3: Did you know that a time John surgery was almost
Speaker 3: called Bob Appadaca surgery, but it was Tommy John who
Speaker 3: ended up having it first. Maybe we should call the
Speaker 3: nano nito procedure the Tarrek Scoble. All right, will Carol,
Speaker 3: we appreciate you very much. Thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: All right, our final baseball thought for the road. Again,
Speaker 1: this is the last time we'll be doing one of
Speaker 1: these type shows. I figure there will be a post
Speaker 1: game tomorrow after Red Sox Dodgers here in LA. But
Speaker 1: how about a final deadline prediction. You got something that
Speaker 1: just you know, just just word vomits, something for fun
Speaker 1: or I can do it.
Speaker 2: First to lead off?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you go ahead.
Speaker 6: It?
Speaker 1: Why not Terrek Scoople, you're going to say that just
Speaker 1: lower Emmetts. You're getting two for one on the starting
Speaker 1: pitcher front. I'm not saying they are of the ilk
Speaker 1: of Trek Schuoble. But with with Emma Chen who the
Speaker 1: Tigers are said to have an interest in a pitcher
Speaker 1: with team control. He has good stuff, hasn't been as
Speaker 1: great this year as maybe we saw him last year.
Speaker 2: But and then you throw in another outfielder.
Speaker 1: Maybe that is Zaire Hope, Maybe that is James Tibbs,
Speaker 1: a third somebody who's a little more ready to help
Speaker 1: that club right now can move in the outfield with
Speaker 1: Riley Green and insert other names in the Tigers.
Speaker 4: You don't think it's tay Oscar.
Speaker 1: No I don't think I think they trust Taoskar when
Speaker 1: the lights get you know, bright.
Speaker 2: And we talked to Dave.
Speaker 1: I think last August where Tao again was scuffling and
Speaker 1: I know has them like, hey, you worried about this
Speaker 1: guy or do you think he's gonna turn on with
Speaker 1: lights get bright? And you know he Dave buys into
Speaker 1: the fact.
Speaker 4: That the Hernandez boys like the bright lights.
Speaker 3: There's not every not everybody like can do the one
Speaker 3: sixty two right, Like there are guys like slow and steady,
Speaker 3: like the Freddy Freeman's of the world.
Speaker 4: But there are guys like.
Speaker 3: The Keeks, the Taos, the Nick Castianos of the world
Speaker 3: that like live for that massive, massive moment.
Speaker 4: Takes all kinds, man, he takes all kinds.
Speaker 3: I don't have a I don't have a like block.
Speaker 3: I don't have like a massive like. Would terror schoogl
Speaker 3: to l a surprise me? No, would Tark schoogle to.
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 3: Would Okay, you know what surprised me. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: it's gonna happen, but Tarrek's schooble to the Brewers would
Speaker 3: surprise me. They could use they could they could use
Speaker 3: him they could use him, because that would be quite
Speaker 3: the form, and so could so could the race, and
Speaker 3: that could be that could be like the C. C.
Speaker 3: Sabbathia Brewers thing that they did a few years back.
Speaker 3: By the way, I ran the friggin' sausage race that day,
Speaker 3: and I got my ass kicked. I got smoked.
Speaker 4: Yet, Oh how dare you you know?
Speaker 3: Of the reason is because it's like people are like,
Speaker 3: it feels like a person standing on your shoulders, those
Speaker 3: halts are flipping heavy and you cannot see out of peripheral.
Speaker 4: It's just straight on.
Speaker 3: Anyway, that's a story for another time. But I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say Terrek Scoogle to the Brewers would be like whoa yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen the Brewers do it a long
Speaker 2: long time ago. But it says C. C.
Speaker 1: Sabbathia levels of acquisition written all over it, and that
Speaker 1: would be Terrek Scoogle chickop miserowski. You get a healthy
Speaker 1: Kyle Harrison back. It's a type of rotation. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: people are gonna possibly flame me about it, but type
Speaker 1: of rotation that can beat the Dodgers in a postseason.
Speaker 4: Series, in a five season and a five game series.
Speaker 1: Even a seven game that the Brewers issue with the
Speaker 1: Dodgers has always been the dog. They can't beat the
Speaker 1: Dodgers in a seventh game series. They can't outlast a
Speaker 1: seven game series.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: There's nothing more evident than the twenty eighteen NLCS.
Speaker 2: They couldn't. They didn't have enough to beat the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: Yeah Scooble twice in a series or Miserowski twice in
Speaker 1: a series.
Speaker 2: It's scary.
Speaker 1: Andrew said he won't trade, he won't acquire somebody just
Speaker 1: to keep them away from another.
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