1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us. I am live 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: from Jerusalem. Probably not what you expected to start your 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: Monday off with. We have been touring all over this 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: country yesterday to the border with Lebanon. Today down at 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: all the terrorist sites running alongside of Gaza. We are 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: going to be talking about the situation here. The Asad 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: regime has fallen in Syria. What does it feel like 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: to be in Israel right now, with Hesbola, with Hamas, 10 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: all of those different discussion points. At one o'clock we 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: will actually talk to a mother whose son remains a 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: hostage inside of Gaza about what that experience has been like. 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: But as we join all of you right now on 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: this Monday morning, major breaking news and it is a 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: great news story for I think America, for New York City, 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: for people who believe in justice. Daniel Penny, the marine 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: who was charged with manslaughter with responsibility culpability for Jordan 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: Neely's death on the New York City subway. This case 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: has been going on for around a month. The jury 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: has been deliberating for several days. They dropped one of 21 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: the charges and went to a lesser charge of negligent homicide. 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: He was found not guilty. A unanimous jury rejected the 23 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: prosecution by DA Alvin Bragg's New York City office. 24 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: And this is a. 25 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: Huge win for juries, for basic common sense, for the 26 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: idea of individuals being able to protect themselves and others 27 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: in New York City, and frankly, I think beyond because 28 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: because this jury verdict is going to reverberate around the country. Buck, 29 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: as a New York City born and raised resident native, 30 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: you followed this case probably more carefully than many did. 31 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: You've been on the subway a lot. You've seen over 32 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: the years the subway descend from a place where you 33 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: might feel comfortable with your wife, or your mom or 34 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: your sister being on the subway to a point where 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people now say, hey, don't even try it, 36 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: because of the criminal element that has taken over much 37 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: of the New York City subways over the past several years. 38 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: What was your reaction when this verdict came down first was. 39 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: Just the absolute relief that Daniel Penny's life is not 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: going to be destroyed because of the mob outside literally 41 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: and metaphorically threatening violence. Just to be clear that this 42 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: has now become something that the media doesn't really like 43 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: to talk about very much. But there were not just protests. 44 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: There are people that were saying, you know, we're the 45 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: ones who patrol the streets, were the ones who were 46 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 3: going to come out there and there'll be justice by 47 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: our hands if the court doesn't do the right thing. 48 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: Very unsettling chance and meant to intimidate outside that courtroom. 49 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: Daniel Penny, This is a I hope, a turning of 50 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: the tide when it comes to criminal justice in New 51 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: York City. 52 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: I've been there, Clay. 53 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: I lived through one of the most remarkable criminal justice 54 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: transformations of any city anywhere in the world in our lifetime, 55 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: when New York went from when I was in junior 56 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: high about twenty two hundred murders a year, twenty two 57 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: hundred over two thousand people killed in the City of 58 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: New York to at the low under three hundred, and 59 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: even in a short period of time under Mayor Giuliani, 60 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: it got down to five or six hundred, which was 61 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: remarkable considering it was at twenty two. 62 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: So at some. 63 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: Point people say enough is enough. At some point, the 64 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: propaganda and the brainwashing of our criminal justice system is racist. 65 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: It is not racist. 66 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: There are people who are racist in this country, and 67 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: in the criminal justice system there is imperfection. There are 68 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: racist things that can happen, but it is very rare. 69 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: Our criminal justice system, when it is allowed to function, 70 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: when rule of law is the guide, actually goes and 71 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: functions quite well. So I think that the situation in 72 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: New York City is I would hope Clay the beginning 73 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: of an entire sea change of thinking in that city. 74 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: You've been seeing some of these pieces, right, You've got 75 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: Mayor Adams who was saying, I hope the jury does 76 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 3: the right thing. I believe he meant this, meaning a 77 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 3: not guilty verdict for Daniel Penny. You have Andrew Cuomo 78 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: gearing up to run again. I know he's a jerk. 79 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: I know he's a liar. We'll talk about all of that. However, 80 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: he's going to run on a somewhat law and order platform. 81 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: There's a Whitney Kilson who's actually a family friend of mine. 82 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: He's running in New York City as well. He's a Democrat, 83 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 3: but he's running on a law and order and pro 84 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 3: business platform. So people realize that they've suffered enough Finally, 85 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: you know, Clay, this is I think what was a surprise. 86 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: The level of suffering that the people of New York 87 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: and other cities under Democrat control were willing to endure 88 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 3: was more than I thought saying people would. However, it 89 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: wasn't endless. And I think this is a symbol of 90 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: We're sick of getting on the subway and having shirtless 91 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: maniacs who haven't bathed in months, threatening women, threatening children, 92 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: threatening oftentimes predominantly minorities on the subway car on their 93 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: way to work, on their way to do things the 94 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: right way. 95 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: We're sick of this. It's not okay anymore. We want 96 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: law and order. 97 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: I am so pleased, and I hope that this is 98 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 3: the beginning of a whole change in the thinking. At 99 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: the bottom of the hour, we'll talk with Kirsten Fleming 100 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: from the New York Post. You may remember that we 101 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: talked to her about her observations in the courtroom. She 102 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 3: will join us and tell us what it was like 103 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: for this verdict. Let me kind of dive into the 104 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: jury here for a minute. 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: Buck. In many ways, this. 106 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: Feels like it may well be the Swan song, the 107 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: end of BLM and defund the police because this was 108 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: a This was a case that frankly never should have 109 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: been brought. As we talked about, Buck, it wouldn't have 110 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: been brought if the races were the same, if the 111 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: races were reversed. This was a white man, evil black 112 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: man victim white black narrative that has unfortunately been predominant 113 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: in the identity politics laden era. This jury, it's let 114 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: me let me just give credit to Daniel Penny's defense 115 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: attorneys here. It's hard, Buck, when the state or the 116 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: federal government decides that they're gonna put their full resources 117 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: behind prosecuting you to get a not guilty verdict in 118 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: a criminal case. Now, partly this not guilty verdict came, 119 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: I think because it should have never been brought. This 120 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: was an aggressive prosecution that again was I think race 121 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: based in nature. But this jury unanimously rejecting the charges 122 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: is a signature statement for New York City residents. I 123 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: would also point out they dropped charges on Friday. In 124 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: a more serious charge, they couldn't reach a verdict. 125 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: I thought that meant a mistrial was likely. 126 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: This is what a jury should do, Buck, They should talk, 127 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: and they managed some people in that jury managed to 128 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: convince others, you know what, he's not guilty. It sounds 129 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: like the majority was able to finally persuade the minority. 130 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: Here. Here's what I think it was. 131 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: It was a little ominous in a sense that they 132 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: had the judge dismissed. The judge could have just declared 133 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: a mistrial last week, and I think a lot of 134 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: legal observers felt like that's what should have happened under 135 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: the circumstances, and said he dismissed the top count, and 136 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 3: that looked a lot to I think observed. I was 137 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 3: one of them two observers like, oh, he's trying to 138 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: sort of direct them in this legal mage, direct the 139 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 3: jury toward the lesser charge, which, by the way, would 140 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 3: have had no mandatory prison time. So you could have 141 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: had a situation where the jury looks at this and goes, Okay, 142 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: look he's not going away for reckless homicide. Maybe you know, 143 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 3: we kind of split the baby here and we take 144 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: And so that was the concern. That was the concern 145 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: I had going into the weekend. But what may have 146 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: happened here, Clay is I think the jury recognized, hold 147 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: on a second, the judge is doing something very unusual, 148 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: and it feels like the system is trying to get 149 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: a certain verdict here by doing so. I think that 150 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: at least in the minds of some of those jurors, 151 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: there might have been a rejection of the system trying 152 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: to stack the deck against Penny, because it was clear 153 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: to me they wanted them to go for this lesser 154 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: meaning the judge, never mind the prosecution was steering them 155 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: toward the lesser charge. And my understanding is that now 156 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: the top charge cannot be revived. 157 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: Clay spoke to a friend of mine on. 158 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: The prosecution side of things, they can't, So this is it. 159 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: He is free and clear. 160 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: And this is also critical, not just because justice feels 161 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: like it has been done in this case. The process 162 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 3: is the punishment. I do not forget that this charge 163 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: never should have been brought. I think that's an asterisk 164 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: we have to put on this. But I was worried 165 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: that even if you got convicted and given no jail time, 166 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: he could then get civilly sued. He still can be, 167 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: but I think it's a different context. Now be sued 168 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: and all of his wages for the rest of his 169 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: life would have been going to pay the family of 170 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: Jordan Neely who show up suddenly after abandoning him to 171 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 3: the streets living as a schizophreniact with you know, drugs 172 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: and assault charge anything else. I think Daniel Penny's in 173 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: much better shape now to have a life going forward. 174 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: You're right about the civil charges. They still will be brought. 175 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: The preponderance of the evidence standard is there. He still 176 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: could be hit with a substantial verdict there. That would 177 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: be a financial penalty, not a criminal penalty. My concern 178 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: for him is this buck. First of all, my concern 179 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: is New York City. I think that BLM is effectively done. 180 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: But if they could riot, they might try to ryot 181 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: based on this. Again, I don't know that there is 182 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: that same impetus. This will be an interesting test to 183 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: see whether I don't think. 184 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 3: I'll tell you I think on the suffering enough, Have 185 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: we suffered enough under this clay? You're not gonna have 186 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 3: cops and FBI agents and other people taking the knee. 187 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: A lot of people, and disproportionately a lot of young 188 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: black men died because of the de policing. 189 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: That be almed cause. I hope you're right. 190 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: I would encourage him to move to a different state 191 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: he's free now. I understand he's from the New York 192 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: City area. There are a lot of places buck where 193 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: I think he could be a lot safer. My concern 194 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: now is he's very well known. Does somebody try to 195 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: do something to him? Same concern I had with Kyle Rittenhouse. 196 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: By the way, when you're prominent and found not guilty, 197 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: you still have risks from the larger world. 198 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 3: Well, I think Daniel Pennedy would be a very welcome 199 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: addition to say South Florida, to perhaps Tennessee, to. 200 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: See where I think people would be happy to have him. 201 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: There are some there are some places that as an 202 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: as a exonerated they like to use that word in 203 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: New York as an exonerated former marine who did nothing wrong. 204 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: I think a lot of states would welcome him, a 205 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: lot of the populations. I agree with you that New 206 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: York City is going to be a hostile environment for 207 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: him for the foreseeable. If I were him, I would 208 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: go somewhere where he's But you know, we're getting a 209 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: little ahead of it right now. Just the fact that 210 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: they didn't, I mean, Clay, this could have gone the 211 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: other way, and I think it would have been so 212 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: depressing to everybody in New York. You know, I still 213 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: have half my family lives right in New York City. 214 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I think a lot of people that 215 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: I mean, most of my friends, people I grew up with. 216 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: Still live in New York City. 217 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 3: And it just would have been so depressing to them 218 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: that Alvin Bragg, who tries thirty seven felony counts against Trump, 219 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: always downgrades all these other felonies for actual criminals and 220 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: then brings this felony prosecution. It just feels like it 221 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: would have felt like nothing had been learned and there 222 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: was no hope. There's hope now for the city of 223 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: New York, and I hope that somebody seizes this. I 224 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 3: know we are not in the habit of talking, you know, 225 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 3: talking favorably about Demo crap politicians here, but when they 226 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: deserve it, we will say it. And there's an opening 227 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: for the Democrats to clean up New York or you know, 228 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 3: I think it's there at least. 229 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too hopeful. 230 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: There's also the hope of your big team winning the 231 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: game play prize picks. 232 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: You were on a plane, so I gotta say I 233 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: didn't give I did I forgot? 234 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: Did you make any picks. 235 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, but it was honestly gonna 236 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: be just me throwing darts at a board, and I 237 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: didn't All I knew was bet on pickles, and beyond that, 238 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: I couldn't really tell anybody anything. 239 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: But I'm sure we have more folks who are ready now. 240 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 3: They are hungering for the picks that will come out 241 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 3: this week. 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She was in the 274 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: courtroom when the not guilty verdict was read. Here's some 275 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: thanks for being back with us. Just take us into 276 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: what it was like, what it's like inside the courtroom 277 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: in those moments, and what you're hearing outside as well. 278 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 4: Well. It's interesting because this morning, by the way, thanks 279 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 4: for having me on. But it's interesting because this morning 280 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: I had filed my column, had talked about that. One 281 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 4: little thing I noted was that there wasn't that many 282 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: protesters there anymore, because they were really loud for the 283 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 4: opening statements, but this morning it was really amped up, loud, agitated, 284 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: and so the whole morning was really the lawyers fighting 285 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: over you know, fighting over the protests, and the defense 286 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 4: had asked for mistrial because of it. You know, the 287 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 4: jurors are able to hear it. There's bull worn. This 288 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: time there was actually some pro Penny protesters, which I 289 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 4: didn't hear, so that kind of set the scene, you know, early, 290 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: Like the first thing that we did this morning was 291 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 4: listened to this this back and forth about the pro 292 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 4: yests and if it was affecting the jury or not. 293 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: And the judge said to the defense that he wasn't 294 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 4: going to grant the mistrial, but if you wanted him 295 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: to speak to the jury, he can say, I want, 296 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 4: you know, but just a reminder to ignore whatever your 297 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: hearing from outside, because they were saying things like subway strangler, 298 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: no juge, like no justice, no peace, no, you know, 299 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: one of those types of things. And so it was 300 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 4: it was pretty intense in the courtroom to begin with. 301 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 4: So we set the stage with that, the protests kind 302 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: of quiet down, and then we get a note about 303 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 4: like half an hour later and they have a verdict and. 304 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 6: It was very quick. 305 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: Sorry go ahead, no, no, no, I was just going 306 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: to say, we opened up the show when they dismissed 307 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,359 Speaker 1: the higher verdict. That is the more severe punishment I expected. 308 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: The best case scenario for Daniel Penny was a mistrial 309 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: because the jury couldn't come to an agreement. Were you 310 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 1: surprised that the jury came to an agreement to render 311 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: him not guilty. What sort of reaction did that provoke 312 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: in the courtroom. What did it run counter to maybe 313 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: your expectations, and certainly it did mine, maybe other people 314 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: in the courtroom as well. 315 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 6: Well. 316 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 4: I think it was a shock because some people were saying, 317 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 4: we're going to expect to hung on this one as well, 318 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: and you know, it was all you know, everybody's talking about. Well, 319 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,239 Speaker 4: you know, there was still one issue that was the 320 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 4: justifications of Lynch Pinbull, So people were not necessarily seeing 321 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 4: that not guilty, especially pretty early in the morning. So 322 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 4: when it came out, you know, it's like this build up, right, 323 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 4: It's like a month and a half of sitting in 324 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 4: that courtroom and then all of a sudden they have 325 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 4: a note and it's done. Like that, So people were 326 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 4: not people. No one really knew what was going to happen. 327 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 6: It was. 328 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 4: It was really suspenseful and when they said not guilty, 329 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 4: there was cheers that broke out. The judge had to 330 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 4: come to order. Jordan Neely's father, who has just filed 331 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 4: a lawsuit against Daniel Penny last week, before the verdict 332 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: was even out, started yelling and we don't know what 333 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: he was saying, but he was escorted out. Hawk Newsom, 334 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 4: who is the BLM representative of New York, he started 335 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 4: to you know, they got up and they were all 336 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 4: jib or gabbering, and he said something like small world, buddy, 337 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: like a good son of very threatening, and then his 338 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 4: sister said, this is a racists in country and they 339 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 4: were all escorted out. And then another woman, an older 340 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 4: black woman who I've never really seen before. She may 341 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 4: have been there, but I really didn't recognize her. She 342 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 4: started wailing, like wailing like she was at you know, 343 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 4: someone's casket. I mean it was. It was really really 344 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 4: intense and really dramatic, and they escorted all of them out. 345 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: What are they saying outside the court room. I've seen 346 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: some audio from the kind of the mob or the 347 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 3: protesters or whatever that have gathered out there. Some of 348 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: the stuff that I've heard, Kirsten is ominous, especially as 349 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 3: somebody who has a lot of family and friends who 350 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: still live in New York City. 351 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they had, you know, the Neely party, 352 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 4: which consists of some family members as fathers, father's attorney, 353 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 4: and some of the BLM people. They were holding a 354 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 4: press conference outside, and you know, some of the stuff 355 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 4: that I heard from Hawk Newsom is that you know, 356 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: he was talking about if they're going to let white 357 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 4: vigilanteism occur, we need to respond with black vigilanteism, which 358 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 4: was you know, obviously quite severe. 359 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: We've got the audio for people out there. We're going 360 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: to play that for you later in the show. Also, 361 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of awful racist things being 362 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: said by BLM New York. Do you get to bucks point, Kirsten, 363 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: Do you get the sense that this is ominous and 364 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: there's something more coming based on the vibe around the courthouse. 365 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 1: I mean, it's early in the BLM is trying to 366 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: call for some for some violence. What's your take on that. 367 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: I know it's difficult to predict, but what do you 368 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: have the. 369 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 4: Sense of So this is my the point of my 370 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: column today. I really feel like in twenty twenty three, 371 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: in May, when they when this story was first first, 372 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 4: when this happened, this story was framed as this racist 373 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 4: white vigilante chokes out poor Michael Jackson impersonator, and you know, 374 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: obviously our institutions are captured, and everything sort of ensued 375 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 4: from there. But I think the woke fever has really 376 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: broken and there's been very There was probably the people 377 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 4: who were outside screaming. It's the same people who have 378 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 4: been at some of the anti Israel stuff, you know, 379 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 4: and it was probably about like fifteen people screaming at 380 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 4: the police, you know, So it didn't I just feel 381 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 4: like they've lost the sort of there's an empantasy there. 382 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it could be different this time around. 383 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: Here's for the Kirsten Fleming for New York Post. Thank 384 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: you for being with us. Thank you for covering this trial. 385 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 3: I think that was really important that people had a 386 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: sense all along of what was going on there, and 387 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: you're reporting on it was excellent. 388 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: So thank you for being here with us. 389 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, guys, I appreciate it. 390 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: We've got the Daniel Penny verdict that came down not guilty. 391 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 2: We were very pleased about that. 392 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: Here on Clay and Buck thought it was the right thing, 393 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 3: the right thing for New York City, the right thing 394 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: for justice. Also, the alleged assassin of the United Healthcare 395 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: CEO now in custody, and. 396 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: You know, I mean, it's they got a lot of 397 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: stuff on this guy. 398 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 3: Before we go back into that, though, Clay, I just 399 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 3: have to say, because I called this as I was 400 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: doing a headline scan, make sure we're up to in 401 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 3: the latest breaking news. Here the photo that they have 402 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 3: chosen for the currently for the front page of the 403 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: Washington Post for the Daniel Penny case. Daniel Penny, it's hard. 404 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 3: You'd have to say see it, so I don't know. 405 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll share it on X people can see 406 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 3: then make it look like he's Voldemort. 407 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: It's just so interesting that. 408 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: There's like it's a dark photo, there's shadows behind him. 409 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: He has a kind of almost a grimace on his face, 410 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 3: an air of menace. The Washington Post is just a disgrace. 411 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 3: That's why they're such a disgrace and such a propaganda 412 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 3: rag for the left. And now let's talk about the 413 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 3: leftist anarchist who or anti capitalist who goes to Ivy 414 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: League schools, went to a fancy prep school and murdered 415 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 3: a man in cold blood because he didn't like the 416 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: way that healthcare policy. 417 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 2: Had been going in this country. 418 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 3: Clay, This here's something that is in the back of 419 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 3: my mind as we're seeing all of this, people are 420 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: asking right now or they're gonna be blm riots in 421 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 3: New York City. And I don't know if the left 422 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: is really in the race riot mood right now. Perhaps, 423 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: but if you recall, it wasn't long ago when anti capitalism, 424 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: anti corporatism, and antifa were very much where the left 425 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: wing shock troops. 426 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: Were focusing there. 427 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 3: Back in the Occupy Wall Street days, back in the 428 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: twenty eleven, you know, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen era, you 429 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: had these radical leftist types who were pushing all these 430 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: different communist ideologies effectively in this country. Maybe we'll see 431 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 3: something of a resurgence of that among the Democrat vanguard 432 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 3: going forward. I don't know, but I still am in shock, 433 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: and I think I'm rarely shocked, but I still was 434 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 3: in shock reading the comments all across the internet after 435 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: this assassination. How many people were willing to publicly and 436 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: even in their own name. 437 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 2: Support the just cruel. 438 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: Assassination of a fellow human being, of a father, of 439 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: a husband, of an American on the streets of New 440 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 3: York City. You know, the Left is looking for something 441 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: these days to rally around. I wonder if this anti 442 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 3: capitalism thing is going to grow more as a cause 443 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: for them as part of the resistance. 444 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: It's a fantastic question, which frankly has a lot of 445 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: CEO spooted. Many of them now are taking out personal 446 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: security and a lot of these websites are taking their 447 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: photos off of the front of websites so that it 448 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: isn't as easy to know who they are. We were 449 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: talking about this off air Buck. I don't know if 450 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: there's more than five or six CEOs that I would 451 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: actually recognize, and they're famous, right, Tim Cook, Elon Musk, 452 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: Bob Eiger, Lachlan Murdoch, who's the CEO of Fox, because 453 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: I know him personally. But there's only like five or 454 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: six that I would recognize at all. Most of them 455 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: are not incredibly public individuals in terms of the profile 456 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: beyond their job. I would be very nervous if I 457 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: were a healthcare CEO that this would create some kind 458 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: of copycat situation and this individual, I do think the 459 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: fact that he is a graduate of Gilman. For those 460 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: of you who know the Baltimore area, that is the 461 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: elite all boys private school, probably the most expensive school 462 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: in the entire city. My college roommate was a graduate 463 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: of Gilman. He's the one who just texted me that 464 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: a picture of this would be assassin from their yearbook 465 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: and also an Ivy League grad at the University of Pennsylvania. 466 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: What is going on that this kind of toxicity could 467 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: exist on the left and buck Remember we've heard for 468 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: so long, Oh, the reason why we had to go 469 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: arrest all of those right wing radicals, the reason why 470 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: we're showing up at at protest rallies relating to abortion 471 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: and knocking on people's doors who were standing outside of 472 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: abortion clinics, is because right wing radicalism can't be allowed. 473 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Doesn't it seem like there's an awful lot of left 474 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: wing criminals that are actually the people terrorizing much of 475 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: America right now? I mean, if this were a right 476 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: wing Trump zealot who walked up with a gun and 477 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: shot someone in cold blood, it would be everywhere. Oh, 478 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: this is what Trump's election has caused. Look at how 479 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: the right wing extremists are enabled. At what point do 480 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: we start having conversations about the radicalization of people on 481 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: the left such that this guy's gonna believe he's a hero. 482 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 2: I think that we're already. 483 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 3: This is what I kept saying about how flabbergashed that 484 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 3: I was by the online response to this. There was 485 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: far more support than I would have anticipated for something 486 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: so so cold blooded and so heinous. Uh, you know, 487 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 3: this is this is a It was a dark moment 488 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: honestly for those of us who cover the news and 489 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 3: cover opinion to see how many people out there were saying, yeah, okay, 490 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 3: maybe I don't agree. I agree with this as if 491 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: it was you know, like somebody was rude. I mean, 492 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: the assassinated somebody in cold blood from behind. And it 493 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 3: just goes to I think there are a lot of 494 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 3: the left is comprised clay of deeply when you look 495 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 3: at the real left, like the hardcore left, they are 496 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: deeply unhappy and emotionally and psychologically unstable people, and they 497 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 3: need something to explain that they don't want to look within, 498 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: and so they grab onto these causes, whether it's systemic racism, 499 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: or it's climate change is going to kill us all, 500 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: or anti capitalism and Marxism. They these different ideas, these 501 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 3: isms that they become obsessed with, come from a deep 502 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: psychological need, a need to externalize their unhappiness, their rage, 503 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: their sense of extreme injustice. And it's much easier to 504 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 3: them and much more comforting to focus on their perceived 505 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: enemies than it is to look at, well, what can 506 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 3: I do to actually make the world better or make 507 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 3: people's lives better around me? And so this is why 508 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 3: the left hops from issue to issue. They hop from oh, 509 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 3: this is the most important thing in the world, that 510 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 3: that's the most important thing in the world. And they're extremists. 511 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: You know that. 512 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: Right now, we've been talking a lot about the trans 513 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: surgery for miners issue because it went to the Supreme Court, 514 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 3: that became a big cause for the left. You know, 515 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 3: they they just jump from these it from issue to issue, 516 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: and you know, there could be a moment here where 517 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 3: this becomes something much more prominent in certainly the conversation 518 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: among left wing radicals in this country. And I agree 519 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: with you, I think a lot of CEOs are on 520 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: edge right now, and understandably so, because one of these 521 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: is an incident, is an assassination. If another one happens, 522 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 3: then then it's a trend. Right then there's a real 523 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 3: sense of foreboding about what this means for the future. 524 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: And instead of people just you know, voting or even 525 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: voting their shares as shareholders of companies, taking that is 526 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: into their own hands in a violent way. I mean, 527 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 3: this is deeply destabilizing. If this grows beyond just one, 528 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: I think it's a concern. 529 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: No doubt. 530 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: And there's a report up that this individual had posted 531 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: a review of Ted Kazinski's manifesto saying violence never solved 532 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: anything is a statement uttered by cowards. This guy has 533 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: an Amazon profile and was rating the manifesto of Ted Kazinski, 534 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: the unibomber. 535 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: So these build. 536 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: My point on this is these build on top of 537 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: each other. So if I'm out there and I'm thinking, 538 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: is this guy to get some sort of positive coverage 539 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: in leftist media, and based on their early reactions, it 540 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: doesn't seem crazy to me that he could. To your point, Buck, 541 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: that could spurn a further copycat related move where somebody 542 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: looks at the way this guy's received and says, oh, 543 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: I want to be famous like him, let me also 544 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: do what he did. 545 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: You know, I also think he had to be aware 546 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: he was going to get caught, which is right, it 547 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: doesn't which is why he's traveling with the manifesto, right, 548 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 3: because the expectation is at some point he's going to 549 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: get recognized. I mean, if this guy had approached this differently, 550 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: you know, if he's a radical leftist, the sort of 551 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 3: standard move that somebody like this would take, I think 552 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: would be you try to get either you try to 553 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: just appear across the border into Mexico, or better for 554 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 3: the purposes of non extradition and not being able to 555 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 3: be caught, you try to just get to Cuba. I 556 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: mean some you know, radicals, murderers people in the past 557 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: have gone to Cuba because they've been given safe harbor. 558 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: There does a thumb in the eye of the United States. 559 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 3: He wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna wait this thing out 560 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, is my point. So he knew he was 561 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: gonna get caught. And and I think now he's looking 562 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: forward to the I mean, based on what we're seeing, 563 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: he's looking forward to the trial and all but the manifesto, Clay, 564 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: you pointed this out. 565 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: Two pages. This guy he's a really good you. 566 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: Know, this is a little bit laz on. The manifesto. Yeah, 567 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: that's not much of a manifesto. I mean, you know 568 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: he's he's talking to Ted because it wasn't the Unibomber manifesto, 569 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: like really long. I don't even remember now maybe it wasn't. 570 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: Oh it was hundreds of pages. Yeah, he did it 571 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: tiptoe up to the unibomber Manifesto. I mean it was 572 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: it was super detailed. So two pages. I don't know 573 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: that we can call it a manifesto. But uh, but 574 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: certainly this guy wanted to be famous. To your point, 575 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: if he was trying to commit an assassination and flee 576 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: and never be caught again, you wouldn't go to Pennsylvania. 577 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 3: I also, I mean, he's he because of the political 578 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 3: cause that he has attached himself to very clearly, and 579 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 3: that he acted on. You know, Clay, this isn't like 580 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: a school shooter situation. I do think every I mean 581 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 3: meaning I think everyone's gonna say this guy's name all that. 582 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: No, he's going to be famous. This is going to happen, 583 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: which is what he wanted. 584 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: You don't know, you don't go to an al two 585 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: to p a McDonald's. I mean, he's still going out 586 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: to eat publicly. He's you know, walking into He didn't 587 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: go through the drive through, He walked in. 588 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. This is a guy who 589 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: wanted to be caught. 590 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: He wanted to think his family recognized him. Surely, right, 591 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't you think that his mom and dad would have 592 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: seen this photo, brothers and sisters and said, uh, oh, 593 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: that's that's this, that's our brother, that's our sister. I mean, 594 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: that's our son. I mean, in other words, I'm surprised 595 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: the name wasn't out in advance. Wouldn't you think they 596 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: would see that it'd be and right, I'm not I'm 597 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: surprised McDonald's did that. They might because the situation like this, 598 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: someone like this on the run, you know, it's very 599 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: possible that that turns into a lethal force situation for 600 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement. I mean, this guy murdered somebody with a 601 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: sponsor in cold blood. If you get him backed into 602 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: a corner, you know, if you want him at least 603 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: to be taken alive and able to be processed through 604 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:03,719 Speaker 1: the justice system. 605 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: You know, you probably want to, even if you're a 606 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: family member, help this be done without you know, the 607 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: chance of there being a lethal force incident for him. 608 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm surmising, but yeah, I gotta say 609 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 3: I'm I'm actually I didn't really have a strong inclination 610 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: one way or the other about motive. I thought both were. 611 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 3: You know, there was the possibility that this was a 612 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 3: paid hitman. I will say some of the people who 613 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: said this guy it was planned but he wasn't a pro. 614 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: That was correct. It was it was it. 615 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: Was planned out well in advance, but he was not 616 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 3: a pro, meaning he's not somebody with tactical training or proficiency. 617 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 3: He really just sort of did this as someone who 618 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: tried to think through it as a civilian. And again 619 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 3: it's sad as well. Well, you know, it's not hard 620 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: to if you're gonna kill somebody who's helpless, defenseless and 621 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 3: doesn't know you're coming, this is any of us are 622 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: at risk. 623 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 2: That's the other part of this. 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Been touring 657 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: all over this country with the International Fellowship of Christians 658 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: and Jews, a lot, a lot to discuss. But this 659 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: morning in Israel, I went to go tour the terror 660 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: sites of October seventh, all over the southern portion of 661 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: Israel where these attacks took place, and one of those 662 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: places was the Nova Music Festival. 663 00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 2: We're over four. 664 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: Hundred young men and women were murdered in cold blood 665 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: by Hamas terrorist when they had gone to attend a 666 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: music festival. We are joined now by a mother of 667 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 1: one of the hostages who was taken there. Her name 668 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: is Edith o'hell. She is a mother of She will 669 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: be with us shortly. She was at this Nova festival 670 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: and Buck. I went to the Nova site. It is 671 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: sobering on a level that I'm not sure I've ever 672 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: experienced before. It's still raw the site itself, but they 673 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: have different placards up with the pictures of every individual 674 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: who was murdered there, and you can walk through all 675 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: of them, turning and looking at all of these different 676 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 1: young faces everywhere you go, these young men, these young 677 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: women who were murdered in cold blood, and their families 678 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: for many of them, have put up biographies, so you 679 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: can read a few paragraphs about all of these young 680 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: people's lives. And I don't know what the eventual situation 681 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: on the site will be buck but as I was 682 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: walking around there fourteen months after the deadliest day for 683 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: Jewish people since the Holocaust, I couldn't help but be 684 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: struck by the fact that hundreds of years from now, 685 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: long after everybody has passed that is listening to us 686 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: right now, there will be people going to this site 687 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: to experience what happened to Israel on that day. 688 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 2: And I also. 689 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: Visited many of the different communities nearby, And we now 690 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: have Edith o'hel, whose mother who is the mother of Alon, 691 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 1: one of the hostages still being held after over four 692 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: hundred days. We appreciate you joining us. Can you tell 693 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: us eat it about your sun and what October seventh 694 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: was like for you. How did you become aware of 695 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: what happened to him? 696 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 6: Well, Firstie, thank you for letting me speak and talk 697 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 6: about this. They appreciate it alone. You know, it was 698 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 6: just that night before the seventh of October, decided to 699 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,479 Speaker 6: go to the Novel festival. He got the tickets that day, 700 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 6: so I know he was going to the Nova Festival, 701 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 6: and I know he was going with friends. He got 702 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 6: there around about five thirty in the morning, and like 703 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 6: a half an hour later, everything started to happen, you know, 704 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 6: rockets falling down, and they needed to find cover. So 705 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 6: they got into the car and they drove to a 706 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,839 Speaker 6: bomb shelter, which is right like five minutes from where 707 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 6: the Nova Festival was. They got into this bomb shelter, 708 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 6: and uh, they were just thinking firstly that they were 709 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 6: just getting cover from the rockets. They weren't thinking about 710 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 6: the fact that they were uh Hamas terrorists coming into Israel, 711 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 6: three thousand terrorisms coming in. They were just you know, 712 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 6: So they were waiting about half an hour for the 713 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 6: rockets to stop, and and then Hamas comes to the 714 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 6: to the bomb shelter and starts to shoot people inside. 715 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 6: Throwing grenades into the bomb shelter. This one person called 716 00:39:54,120 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 6: a Nle Shapira through uh back outside from to the 717 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 6: from the bomb shelter. They were throwing the hamas, throwing 718 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 6: bombs inside. He was taking the bombs in his hand 719 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 6: and throwing them outside alone also throw through two bombs 720 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 6: and it was referred to was terrible. One of the 721 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 6: grenades exploded inside and alone and you know, a lot 722 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 6: of a lot of people were injured. There were about 723 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 6: twenty seven people at that day in that bomb shelter. 724 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 6: Now you have to understand that bomb shelter can only 725 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 6: uh you know it can it can get inside and 726 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 6: feel comfortable. As you say, about six or eight people 727 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 6: at that day, there were twenty seven uh alons you 728 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 6: know age group trying to get cover from all of this. 729 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 6: After the bomb exploded inside, the Hamas comes and and 730 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 6: uh and grabs and takes alone and three others. One 731 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 6: of them was also Hirsh Goldenboog called Unbrook Pauline. He 732 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 6: was also taken we alone. We at that time was 733 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 6: around seven o'clock. We went with the dogs out and 734 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 6: we understood that something was going on. When my father 735 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 6: called and said, you know, something is going on. Where 736 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 6: is Alone? Do you know where he is? And I said, well, 737 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 6: he's at the Nova festival, So I wasn't that worried, 738 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 6: but he told me that something is definitely going on 739 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 6: and we should make sure that Alone is fine. So 740 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 6: we called him. You didn't answer. We wrote them in 741 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 6: SMS a what's up message, and about eight o'clock in 742 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 6: the morning, we asked him where he is and if 743 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,720 Speaker 6: he's fine, and he said, and there was a message 744 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 6: sent to us that he was at a bomb shelter 745 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 6: and that he was fine. And right after that we asked, 746 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 6: how are you send pictures? Want to see and that 747 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 6: was the last time we were in contact. What we 748 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 6: know is that at eight o'clock was exactly the time 749 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 6: that he was kidnapped, actually enforced disappearance. It's not a kidnapping, 750 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 6: it's more like an enforced disappearance, which is a little 751 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 6: bit different. And that was that. So when he was grabbed, 752 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 6: when they were grabbing him and pulling him and putting 753 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 6: him on the truck, his phone fell, So that was 754 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 6: that's why the message was just sent that that's exact time. 755 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 6: It's terrific, It's it's terrible. I knew that Elo was kidnapped. 756 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 6: When my husband came back from Siroca hospital trying to 757 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 6: find him. His phone actually was got there because somebody 758 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,839 Speaker 6: at the bomb shelter that was not kidnapped, Uh took 759 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 6: the phone with him and when a guy came and 760 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 6: to rescue the seventh that was that survived, nineteen were 761 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 6: murdered that day after they took Alone and hersh and 762 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 6: or two others. The hatmas comes and shoots everybody to 763 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 6: kill and the ones who survived were injured but survived. 764 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 6: They got to hospital and one of them survivors took 765 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 6: Alone the phone, so so my husband was going to 766 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 6: Soroka to find him. Obviously he didn't find him, but 767 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 6: I Lunt's best friend was one of the ones who 768 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 6: survived and he actually told the police what happened, so 769 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 6: we knew that as kidnapped that day. 770 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 4: Eat it. 771 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: What has it been like to have a son held 772 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: hot stage now for over four hundred days? How have 773 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,399 Speaker 1: you and your family been dealing with that? 774 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 6: It's it's it's it's terrible, it's it's you can't comprehend 775 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 6: the stress that we are going through. Knowing that Alone 776 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 6: was kidnapped. We don't know exactly where he is, We 777 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,359 Speaker 6: don't know how he is, We don't know anything, and 778 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 6: and just just to try to survive that is just unbearable. 779 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 6: You know, we're not working, me and my husband. What 780 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,439 Speaker 6: we're trying to do for every second of the day 781 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 6: is advocate for him for a loan and make sure 782 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 6: that people know about this. And that's everything that govern 783 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 6: our government and hamas and and whoever, and also obviously 784 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,000 Speaker 6: in the States, make sure that some kind of an 785 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 6: agreement can can come and that there will come home. 786 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 6: You know, it's scary to know that each day is 787 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,280 Speaker 6: for them. It's actually it's not in each day, it's 788 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 6: every single minute. It's hard thinking about what they have got, 789 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 6: what he is going through. You know, he's probably the 790 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 6: tunnels for about four hundred and thirty days. Today he's 791 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 6: probably I don't know if he's getting enough fruit to eat. 792 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 6: I don't know if he's getting air. You know, it's 793 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 6: just you know, the basic right we're taking from him. 794 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 6: You know, I don't know if he's getting sleep. Yeah, 795 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 6: I don't know anything. And for me for a mother, 796 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 6: it's just sometimes I cannot drink. You have to understand 797 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 6: alone was taken from Israeli land and Alone was in 798 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 6: an Unova festival. He was not fighting anybody, he was 799 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,800 Speaker 6: not doing anything wrong. He's an innocent civilian that was taken, 800 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 6: not brutally kidnapped from his home. You know, Alone's friends 801 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 6: were kidnapped from their homes, from their homes, from their beds. 802 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 6: It's just it's not right. It's in any way, in 803 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 6: any you know, the ICRC, the Red Cross has not 804 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 6: seen them. Four hundred and thirty days, they have not 805 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:30,760 Speaker 6: seen the hostages. Nobody knows except I guess Hammas. What's 806 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 6: their you know status. Yes, I believe Alone was taken alive. Okay, 807 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 6: Alone was taking in love. There's a footage, a video 808 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 6: photage showing that. So I know that a lot that 809 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 6: Alone was taken alive, and I believe in my heart 810 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 6: that he is alive. You know. The what what they 811 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 6: tell us is that he was taking a love in 812 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 6: They as long as there's not any other thing thing different, 813 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 6: he's alive. So you know, this is a humanitarian issue, 814 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 6: This is not a political one. And it's it's for me, 815 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 6: it's it's all my life. 816 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 4: You know. 817 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 6: I I have not seen my son. You know, he 818 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 6: had his birthday on the tenth of February, and I 819 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,800 Speaker 6: couldn't talk to him. I couldn't say happy birthday, nothing. 820 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 6: You know. I'm thinking about the fact that that I 821 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 6: that I miss how I to hug it, Like, well, 822 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 6: how does it feel to hug your son? You know? 823 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 6: I sometimes I forget. Sometimes I'm thinking about how a 824 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,280 Speaker 6: lunge looks like. And I have to look at pictures 825 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 6: sometimes to remind me exactly his color, his eye color exactly, 826 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 6: you know, the way his nose, you know is And 827 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 6: Alani is also a pianist. So the whole thing I'm 828 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 6: thinking about is I hope and I pray that he 829 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 6: is sitting thinking about music and probably playing with his hands. No, 830 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 6: just thinking about you know, the pianist. You know the 831 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 6: movie how there's a there's like a scene where he 832 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 6: is in the It's like in the some kind of 833 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:29,800 Speaker 6: you know, where the Jewish it's kept him, you know, somewhere, 834 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,800 Speaker 6: and he's like thinking about how does he feel to play? 835 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 4: Eat it? 836 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,240 Speaker 1: We want your son to be home and one hundred 837 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 1: other hostages, as you said, have still been held for 838 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty days. 839 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 2: You wrote a great. 840 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: Piece that has posted it to Clay and Buck website 841 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: laying out exactly your son's story, your family's pursuit of him. 842 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: I would encourage everybody to go check it out at 843 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: clayanbuck dot com. 844 00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 2: Eat it. 845 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: We're praying for you and your family as well. Thank 846 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,080 Speaker 1: you for sharing this story, and we hope that with 847 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,439 Speaker 1: Donald Trump coming into office that there can be some 848 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: sort of resolution and these hostages can all come home. 849 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 6: Thank you, oh, thank you, thank you. I wish so too, 850 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 6: thank you, Thank you all right. 851 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 2: Our sponsor right now is LifeLock. 852 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,879 Speaker 3: My friends, the holidays are coming up, and so are 853 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,879 Speaker 3: some of the best deals you're going to see all year. 854 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 3: As you make your purchases, make sure you're being vigilant 855 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 3: with your personal information. 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