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Speaker 2: Sunday Show after Thanksgiving because there's like thirty two topics

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Speaker 2: and nobody really cares about discussing rams Panthers. Do they

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Speaker 2: not really listen? I think we've Let's just address a

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Speaker 2: massive college football story that you and I care about.

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Speaker 2: So college football, what you saw Lane Kiffin do feels

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Speaker 2: a little different now because of the College Football Playoff.

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Speaker 2: You used to leave a program, you know, and they

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Speaker 2: a national championship. And I don't think Ole Miss was

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Speaker 2: going to win a Natty. But it wouldn't have shocked

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Speaker 2: me with Lane Kiffen if they won two or three

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Speaker 2: games and finished in the top two or three. So

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Speaker 2: it does feel a little gross, But big picture is

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Speaker 2: if you think about, if you really think about what happened,

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Speaker 2: the NCUBA four or five years ago was rigid, and

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Speaker 2: you went from that, the rigidity of the NCUBLEA to

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Speaker 2: pure unadulterated HGH infused capitalism and there's no boundaries, and

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Speaker 2: it's the wild wild West, just like the wild Wild

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Speaker 2: West in the eighteen hundreds you had territorial governors and

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Speaker 2: commissioners of conferences. But everybody's in their own self interest.

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Speaker 2: And so listen, this is harbaughto Michigan, Lane Kiffn to LSU.

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Speaker 2: It's massive, it'll be controversial, it'll be great for the sport,

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Speaker 2: and one of the little guys gets burned. I don't

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Speaker 2: lose sleep on this stuff because I've been watching it

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Speaker 2: my entire life. But wasn't this bound to happen if

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Speaker 2: you hired Kiffin?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I just think there's no easy way to leave

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Speaker 1: a school anymore, you know. I mean these schools now

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Speaker 1: away in the middle of October, so you have lsu

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Speaker 1: out to poach your coach for the last month and

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Speaker 1: a half. That's abnormal. You know, these buyouts got so extreme.

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Speaker 1: left and right. I also think part of the problem

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Speaker 1: he's really done a lot to change his image, right

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Speaker 1: to the documentary that he did. You just look at

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Speaker 1: him physically, what do you think he's lost thirty pounds

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Speaker 1: he's politically, he's talked a big game how this place

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Speaker 1: changed his life, gets them into the playoffs, and then

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Speaker 1: leaves them for essentially their big brother, who. I think

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Speaker 1: it's hard. I understand where their fans are mad, but

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Speaker 1: like I understand both sides. I just think these are

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Speaker 1: these things are ugly. It's pretty rare. Remember a couple

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Speaker 1: argue whether they are a top ten five I don't

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Speaker 1: Who's to say that it's not a top fifteen program

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Speaker 1: that they steal a guy from. So it's just it's

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Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, and Rick Patino noted this on social media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he said it's a calendar issue. He goes,

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Speaker 2: So don't I don't. If you are a college football

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Speaker 2: then you're naive. And I can feel for an ole

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Speaker 2: So until college football in the NCAA put up boundaries.

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Speaker 2: We put up some boundaries in NIL. There's no boundaries

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Speaker 2: on coaches leaving.

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Speaker 1: I think what people have a problem with, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's mainly the Ole miss fanss not like LSU fans

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, Texas. It's very understandable why they wouldn't let

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Speaker 1: with Lane the offensive mastermind. Well this is an offensive

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Speaker 1: juggernaut as a program right going into this playoffs. Well

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Speaker 1: then I think the other area that people have a

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if you look at pre Kiffen, Matt

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Speaker 2: I said number one offense, top five program, fifty five

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Speaker 1: You know, you used to have that statement that the

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Speaker 1: that this not really money, right. Ole miss was paying

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Speaker 1: It's almost a you know, a revelation from Lane in

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Speaker 1: his belief that your program simply isn't as good as

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Speaker 1: you're getting it really like you're in the playoffs. But

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Speaker 2: It's in the fourth quarter. But Buffalo leads going away

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Speaker 2: Sean McDermott and Mike Tomlin are both defensive coaches, and

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Speaker 2: I could make a strong argument that their message has

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Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with this group. TJ. Wat's

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Speaker 1: been there for ten years. Right. The talent on that

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Speaker 1: you're gonna him a hundred fifty million dollars. Like what

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Speaker 1: are you guys doing? No position I'm watching the Bears

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Speaker 1: Your front office? Who I would say the Steelers for

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Speaker 1: Something's off kilter there, and maybe the family's getting a

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Speaker 1: it's not like Buffalo we've talked about. This is some

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Speaker 2: No. I mean the Lakers sold, it felt very mom

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Speaker 2: and it already feels they're getting rid of bus family members.

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Speaker 2: a mess, although I like the coach, I like the GM,

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Speaker 2: I like the roster actually, but it's just watching this today.

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Speaker 2: You have two defensive coaches. You know, it's seven three

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Speaker 2: it was like, God, there's just nothing creative. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Buffalo basically, if you look at their game plan, they

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Speaker 1: Score it's twenty points. You can't match us.

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Speaker 2: That's what it felt like. It almost felt like what

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Speaker 2: better players, We're gonna win this game. It's just going

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Speaker 2: always beating up on the Steelers. But small market Green

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Speaker 2: Bay is so smart, so cutting edge. Offensive coaches do

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Speaker 2: a very good job in the sport of solving problems

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Speaker 2: a Sean Payton. I think those guys. Shanahan has done

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Speaker 2: they don't rebound quickly. I mean, you watch Denver struggles

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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson has an identity. There are a number one

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Speaker 2: seed now Chicago. I mean the defense leads and takeaways,

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Speaker 2: the offense leads in rushing. There are a number one seed.

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Speaker 2: These offensive coaches come in. Ben Johnson has been tweaking

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Speaker 2: this mother every two weeks, like you've seen improvement. And

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Lee, you know, I feel like they think, like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you play the season, then the season's over, and then

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Speaker 2: you take the wrenches out and you fix it. You

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Speaker 2: gotta fix it every week in pro football now, the

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Speaker 2: coaching's too smart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think also the organization like the way they

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Speaker 1: college or the pros. But it's an offensive sport. I

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Speaker 1: mean didn't save and say this a decade ago when

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Speaker 1: he hired lang Kiff, and I had to adapt because

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Speaker 1: of the rules. So you can't even the Texans. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Texans have what looks like to be an all

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Speaker 1: even if they make the playoffs. And that's the one

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Speaker 1: thing I will say about the Bills is the FC

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Speaker 1: as you got that quarterback, I think we'd both agree

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Speaker 1: ever since Flacco beat them on that Thursday night game.

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Speaker 1: They have not been good. But even did last year

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Speaker 1: you say one hundred, but this is even starting earlier

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Speaker 1: this year, the attrition of the age. Listen, it's just

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Speaker 1: it's not Tomblin will probably assuming that. I mean they'll

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Speaker 1: I know Rogers butted heads with him, but he kind

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Speaker 1: football is quite baseball, but your GM is pretty important

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Speaker 1: because it's not obviously the quarterback, but it's a lot

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Speaker 1: moves in season. You know one thing, you know Howie

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Speaker 1: say the Steelers just kind of ran into age attrition

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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. Andy Reid was fired in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: the biggest games were Thursday and Friday in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Cleveland San Francisco is a highlighter. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to that. I want to talk about Dallas beating

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs now six and six, and it's very

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Speaker 2: likely if you look at Jacksonville and Houston's record and

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Speaker 2: you start looking at New England and Buffalo, it's like

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Speaker 2: Kansas City's probably not making the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Charger's gonna have eight wins after

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Speaker 1: they beat the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: So I think Kansas City's listen. I said at the

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Speaker 2: start of the year, I said, Kansas City, the dynasty's over.

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Speaker 2: They'll win a Super Bowl, but the dynasty's over. Once

452
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Speaker 2: you start paying quarterbacks four hundred million bucks. You have

453
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Speaker 2: to manipulate the cap. You have to let people go.

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Speaker 2: They had to let Joe Toney go. The old line.

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Speaker 2: The last several years it feels like it's been patchwork,

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Speaker 2: and then it gets into later in the season. They

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Speaker 2: lose somebody to injury, it to mess. Here's the thing

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Speaker 2: about Dallas. I can't figure out why this is so

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Speaker 2: hard for people to figure out. I said when they

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Speaker 2: traded Micah, Jerry Jones is a deal maker. What deal

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Speaker 2: makers need is flexibility. And if they signed Micah, and

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Speaker 2: we know this the previous year they were waiting to

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Speaker 2: they had no flexibility. They couldn't get Dereck Henry for

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Speaker 2: eight million dollars at the trade deadline. They are a

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Speaker 2: much better defense without Micah. Why because it allowed them

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Speaker 2: to get Kenny Clark and Quentin Williams run stoppers. When

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Speaker 2: they had Micah, they were an atrocious run defense. The

468
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Speaker 2: problem with that is you lose time of possession. Dak

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Speaker 2: sits and watches the game from the sideline. Well, now

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Speaker 2: with the Marvin overshown getting healthy. They still have electric

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Speaker 2: athletic ability on the edge. Sam Williams played well, Quentinn Williams,

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Speaker 2: Kenny Clark, well, now they're still getting quarter back pressures.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna go get an edge, Yeah, clowny, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: go get an edge with their first pick in the draft,

475
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Speaker 2: which is a edge rich draft. And simultaneously, Michael was

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Speaker 2: good for greenback. But it's the idea that you win

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Speaker 2: the trade and we lose it. Dallas had no flexibility.

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Speaker 2: You watch them play now, John, their pressure is excellent.

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Speaker 2: You can't run on them. They're healthy, they're athletic. Like

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Speaker 2: it's like guys sometimes, you know, I mean, it doesn't

481
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Speaker 2: matter what the company is. You lose a high profile

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Speaker 2: person and maybe they were high maintenance, or maybe they

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Speaker 2: were expensive, or they were temperamental and they're great somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: But it allows you to elevate other employees, to show

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Speaker 2: off other employees, to manage other low maintenance employees, like

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Speaker 2: I liked Micah, but it was a lot and edge

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Speaker 2: rushers are easier to find than Quinn Williams. It just

488
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Speaker 2: seems so obvious to me that Mike a deal was

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Speaker 2: good for Dallas two. You get it, right, Like everybody

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Speaker 2: gets this.

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Speaker 1: I just think oftentimes in a trade, we want a

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Speaker 1: loser in a winner, right. I think you look at

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Speaker 1: the Luca trade, you know, we love when there's a

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Speaker 1: loser and a winner in a trade. The Bears and

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Speaker 1: the Panthers, the big trade they made. It looks like

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Speaker 1: Bryant Poles won that thing, right. The Bears would like

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Speaker 1: a redo. Why can't we just have a winner and

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Speaker 1: a winner. I'm watching Micah Parsons fly around on Thanksgiving Day.

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Speaker 1: Obviously he's been awesome for the Packers and they do

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Speaker 1: not regret doing that at all. The other thing that

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Speaker 1: someone in the league texted me, do you know where

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Speaker 1: Jerry also deserves credit? Is I thought he was wrong

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Speaker 1: for this. I'd be like, you know, I just keep

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Speaker 1: rolling with McCarthy. He said, you know what, Mike, I'm

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Speaker 1: not giving you another contract. I'm going to take your

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Speaker 1: number two, replace him with you, and not skip a beat.

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Speaker 1: And now you look at McCarthy, who I've been saying

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Speaker 1: like I think he'll get a job. Well, the Packers

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Speaker 1: replaced him with Ease. Haven't skipped a beat, right, I

510
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Speaker 1: have not looked back, and now the Cowboys replace McCarthy

511
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Speaker 1: and haven't thought twice about it with Brian Schottenheimer. So

512
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Speaker 1: like Jerry took a lot of shit. I was very outspoken.

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Speaker 1: I know you were too. How could you not be

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Speaker 1: when he hired Brian Schottenheimer. Looks like it's done a

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Speaker 1: pretty good job, you know, excellent offensive play caller. His

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Speaker 1: rapport with Dak, a big personality in George Pickens, handled

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Speaker 1: him perfectly. Weird situations with Micah Parsons. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that gets thrown on him.

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Speaker 1: Handle that thing perfectly. And is there how many teams

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Speaker 1: are hotter than Dallas right now? The Texans? I mean

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Speaker 1: they Dallas looks. I mean that has to be one

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Speaker 1: of the better two week stretches when you go Monday night,

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Speaker 1: Sunday and Thursday night of like Jerry's last twenty years. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean they absolutely destroy the Raiders. They historically come

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Speaker 1: back on the Eagles and then they essentially kind of

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Speaker 1: end the Chiefs little you know, Mini Die. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the Chiefs have done big picture like you say,

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Speaker 1: but they're not making the playoffs this year because of

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Speaker 1: Dallas and really outplay them like you couldn't stop them

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Speaker 1: on offense. And I just think Jerry, I think he

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Speaker 1: puts himself out there a lot. He's got a little

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Speaker 1: lane Kiff in quality. So anytime you do that, you know,

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Speaker 1: most owners don't say a peep. Most owners do not

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Speaker 1: interview or ever publicly say anything. Maybe once a year,

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Speaker 1: maybe at the owners meetings. Most gms don't even talk

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Speaker 1: during the season. Jerry's talking twice a week. He's doing

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Speaker 1: the radio interview, and he's talking postgame and he's he

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00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: was right. And here's the other thing you gotta say

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Speaker 1: about Dallas. They've kind of been well run for a

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Speaker 1: little while now, like they've had good rosters. Now they

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Speaker 1: have not done well in the playoffs. But like the

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Speaker 1: McCarthy era, why they didn't do it well in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs was not because the front office. Dak kind of

544
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: shited the bed. He played bad.

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Speaker 2: Baltimore's exquisitely run. They haven't been very good in the

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Speaker 2: playoffs recently. They had the Flacco year, right, they had

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Speaker 2: the Trent dil for a year. Baltimore's lost a lot

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Speaker 2: of big playoff games. They've lost it to New England

549
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Speaker 2: or a Buffalo or a Kansas City. They're unbelievably well run.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to win e fan playoff games, right, DAK

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00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: was losing to I mean, go look at when DAK

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Speaker 2: and Dallas were losing at a playoff games. Well, you

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Speaker 2: had the Seattle team in the San Francisco Harbaugh team,

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Speaker 2: and you have Aaron Rodgers in his prime, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to win playoff games. Okay, I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about this game that happened on Thanksgiving. Green Bay

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Speaker 2: thirty one, Detroit twenty one. Two big takeaways, one's an

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Speaker 2: easy one again, Matt Lafleur. The Packers offense looked a

559
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: little broken. Matt Lafleur. This is what offensive coaches do.

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00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: Fix shit in the middle of a season, and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, Jordan Love four touchdowns, no picks, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty four passer rating, go to Detroit and win,

563
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Speaker 2: Jordan Love eighteen to thirty. This is what I've said.

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Speaker 2: This green Bay offense was broken about three weeks ago,

565
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Speaker 2: and he fixed it. The Pittsburgh's has been broken for

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Speaker 2: eight years. They can't fix it. So they got better

567
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 2: offensive line play. But I think the bigger issue is

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Speaker 2: something like Lane Leaves. They're going to hire somebody in

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Speaker 2: the building. Mistake. Jim Harbaugh leaves, they give it to

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Speaker 2: somebody in the building. You watch Michigan, they weren't even competitive.

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Speaker 2: I mean they is no ingenuity at all with that offense.

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Speaker 2: So Ben Johnson is the most talked about OC in

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Speaker 2: the league for three years. He leaves and Dan Campbell

574
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: loyal guy, you know, very relatable, almost a working class

575
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Speaker 2: feel to him, like he's a guys guy. Hires a

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Speaker 2: guy in the building. Last year year before, unbelievable third

577
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Speaker 2: down team, fourth down team. They're now with that offensive line,

578
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Speaker 2: those weapons, Jimmy or Gibbs, seventeenth best in the league

579
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Speaker 2: on third down. That's coaching. That's not personnel. That's not golf.

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Speaker 2: That's not Amoran Saint Brown or Gibbs. I'll go back

581
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Speaker 2: to it. It's the Colin was right. Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 2: I said, when you lose an icon Harbaugh, you know

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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin's offense that's number one in the country by

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Speaker 2: a mile. You lose Ben Johnson, you don't go in

585
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Speaker 2: the building. You go on a domestic If McVeigh retired

586
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: tomorrow for the Rams, you don't give it to a coordinator.

587
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: If Shanahan left. You don't give it to a coordinator.

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Speaker 2: I think Detroit it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

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Speaker 2: What's say you, Well.

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Speaker 1: I think Detroit seasons on the line come Thursday against

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and I don't know about you, but I

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Speaker 1: like the Cowboys same and I think once Detroit loses

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, I mean their defense is really falling apart.

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Speaker 1: Offense isn't quite the same, but defensively they clearly have

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Speaker 1: missed on some picks their scheme. I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on, but they are. They've been getting shredded now

597
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Speaker 1: the second half of last year with the injuries, and

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Speaker 1: they kind of looked the same thing all over again.

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Speaker 1: They lose to Dallas Colin on Thursday, which I think

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Speaker 1: most people with the brain are gonna pick the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I think the NFC playoffs are pretty much set, and

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Speaker 1: the Bears and the forty nine ers are in, right,

603
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Speaker 1: the Rams, Seattle are in, the Packers are in. Let's

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Speaker 1: assume Tampa wins the division they're in, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles would have to have a full on collapse,

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Speaker 1: but the Eagles are probably in that that's your playoffs,

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Speaker 1: so you know the Bears and the Niners right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Bears technically are the number one seat,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know about you, but after Thursday Night, like,

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Speaker 1: what Mike Grabel's doing is incredible. I got no problem

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Speaker 1: every once in a while, like Brett Favre Barry Sanders,

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Speaker 1: you share the MVP. I think those guys share the

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Speaker 1: Coach of the year. What those guys are doing where

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00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: those two franchises have been. Frabel didn't take over the

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick twenty eighteen team. I mean they had been

616
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Speaker 1: bad for a while and the Bears were a joke.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Frabel's still on a rebuild. I mean, I would

618
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Speaker 2: argue they're not finished yet. They need another seven draft picks,

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Speaker 2: they needed another two acquisitions because Drake may still in

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Speaker 2: the rookie contract. New England's not even a complete team.

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Speaker 2: I mean, don't just think about this. For those who

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Speaker 2: defend Sean McDermott, how long did it take with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: You still never quite sure what you get weekend to weekend,

624
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Speaker 2: half to half with their offense, Mike Rables turned it around.

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Speaker 2: I'd say Buffalo's got at least as good or better

626
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Speaker 2: personnel wise, Yeah, Vrabel's an unbelievable coach. I think, I

627
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Speaker 2: look at Detroit, They're still going to be fine because

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Speaker 2: I think the GM Brad Holmes is so good. I

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Speaker 2: do like Campbell, but Campbell Nick Sirianni similarly, are not

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Speaker 2: known as great scheme guys. I think Campbell's better than Sirianni.

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Speaker 2: But when you miss on a coordinator higher offensively, it's punitive.

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Speaker 2: It's not for McVeigh, Shanahan, Peyton, Andy Reid. They move

633
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Speaker 2: off those guys. Guys like Sirianni and guys like Dan

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Speaker 2: Campbell are much more coordinator dependent.

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Speaker 1: I think one thing Sirianni has going for him is

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Speaker 1: Howie's aggression is really second to none. So let's just

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Speaker 1: say that they know go eleven and six and get

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Speaker 1: bounced in the first round. He'll do fifty things to

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Speaker 1: try to improve where I think Brad Holmes, the shit

640
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Speaker 1: he takes from his fan bases. He can be a

641
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Speaker 1: little conservative. It's like, where were your moves right? And

642
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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. And I think it's very easy

643
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Speaker 1: for GM to always look big picture, and I think

644
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Howie would say it's easier for me to think more

645
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Speaker 1: short term. Now with a couple of rings on my fingers, right,

646
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: I have more equity, so I can be more aggressive.

647
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Speaker 1: Look at the Rams, Like, the Rams will always be

648
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Speaker 1: in the mix. They got two picks that Atlanta Falcons pick.

649
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Speaker 1: If you tell me they flip pick eleven for some

650
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Speaker 1: incredible for Max Crosby, you know, just whoever insert the

651
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Speaker 1: star player get ready, because they will not hesitate to

652
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Speaker 1: do that, right, But it's easier for Sean and Less

653
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Speaker 1: to do that because they got a lot of equity

654
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Speaker 1: in the you know, with the franchise. So I think

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Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of different var variables

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Speaker 1: in football. You're very dependent on your GM as your

657
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: coach and that working relationship. It's why I like, listen,

658
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Speaker 1: I'm not selling my chief stock big picture, like they'll

659
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: be fine. Like they need a little bit of a

660
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: reset year. And guess what, Drafting eighteenth in every round

661
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Speaker 1: will be a little easier for Vich and Ady than

662
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Speaker 1: thirty second, so they can go maybe in the first round.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you're like, well, the Chiefs are

664
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Speaker 1: now picking seven because they trade next year's first and

665
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Speaker 1: go from eighteen to seven to get best player X, right,

666
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: and that they can do things like that. So the

667
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Speaker 1: other thing that's on full display this year, and you

668
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: really saw it on Thanksgiving with Ben Johnson is obviously football.

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Speaker 1: The power of a quarterback speaks for itself, but I

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Speaker 1: still think that the coach is equally, if not more important.

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Speaker 1: And what Ben Johnson is doing in Chicago is that

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Speaker 1: was remarkable that that game. That feel like he's the

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Speaker 1: Midwest Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 2: And now for our next segment, Whiskey Business. Yes, Whiskey Business,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Green River Whiskey, the official whiskey

676
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Speaker 2: of the Colin Coward Podcast. Chicago twenty four, Philadelphia fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Chicago's number one in rushing, number one in

678
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Speaker 2: the NFC North, number one of the NFC, number one

679
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Speaker 2: in takeaways. That's not just the roster, and he still

680
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Speaker 2: has a quarterback who I think is a work in progress.

681
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Speaker 2: Who but again this goes back to Nick Sirianni is

682
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Speaker 2: scheme dependent. Philadelphia has been spiraling this entire season. Offensively,

683
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Speaker 2: has been an uneven mess. He can't fix it because

684
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Speaker 2: he doesn't have the right oc Ben Johnson. We don't

685
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Speaker 2: even think the quarterback's a great fit. We didn't think

686
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Speaker 2: going into this season. Ugh. This defense, it's a magnet

687
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Speaker 2: for turnovers.

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Speaker 1: Nobody thought that they're number one of the NFL in takeaways.

689
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Speaker 2: We didn't even like their secondary. Jalen Johnson got hurt.

690
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: We were like, they're screwed. No, they Nashan Wright. They

691
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: find all these guys now they like lead the NFL.

692
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Speaker 2: Their secondary is just pansy picking it off one handed catches.

693
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Speaker 2: So I mean, I think I wrote this down during

694
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Speaker 2: the game that Ben Johnson's the best young head coaching

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Speaker 2: higher since McVeigh. That's what it feels like. Like Shanahan

696
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: was a great Higher. But Shanahan's been like winning season,

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00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: losing season, winning season, losing seasons in San Francisco always

698
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: had a heartbeat because it's got good ownership. The Rams

699
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: were with Jeff Fisher unwatchable, two double digit wins. I

700
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: still think Caleb's completing fifty eight and a half percent

701
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 2: of his throws. I still think this has so much

702
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Speaker 2: more room to grow offensively.

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Speaker 1: See I would say he's a combination of the two

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Speaker 1: because Shanahan was much more heralded as an offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: right with Atlanta. Where McVeigh was coaching in Washington, they

706
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: weren't winning as many games. He was like this shooting

707
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Speaker 1: star within the league, but everyone when he hired him

708
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: was thirty one. But that first year they were immediately

709
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Speaker 1: awesome and in the playoffs, juck what after? Jared Goff

710
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: honestly looked like he was going to be out of

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Speaker 1: the league his rookie year. Yet, if I would have

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Speaker 1: told you that going into December that the Bears would

713
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Speaker 1: be the NFC's top seed with their quarterback throwing for

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Speaker 1: under sixty percent of a completion percentage, not a soul

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Speaker 1: would have believed you. Right, that's the thing. They are

716
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: winning all these games. Their quarterback's pretty inaccurate. Now, the

717
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: touchdown throw that he made was like that was USC

718
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma Heisman Trophy. He still has some remarkable highlight plays,

719
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: but he still misses a ton of just like random

720
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: out routes overthrowing guys. And it gets back to the

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Speaker 1: thing that Shanahan did and McVeigh did this early too,

722
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Speaker 1: because he had gurly he would just run the ball

723
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Speaker 1: unlimited runs, just as two running backs had forty carries.

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Speaker 1: In that game where you watched the other night against

725
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Speaker 1: the Panthers, Canalis Rico o'doudl he had six carries.

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Speaker 2: It's like, I know, the.

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Speaker 1: Guy had like nine hundred yards coming into the game.

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Speaker 1: It's middle of October or middle of November. What are

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Speaker 1: you doing? Bet Johnson can't even relate. Shanahan can't relate

730
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Speaker 1: to that. They will just keep giving young McVeigh until

731
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Speaker 1: he got Stafford will just hand it off, handed off,

732
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Speaker 1: handed off. They're your quarterback's best friend. And it makes

733
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Speaker 1: the game so much easier on Caleb, and then you

734
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Speaker 1: can use Caleb's legs. But the running game that the scheme,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Vic Fangio's making five six million dollars a year.

736
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Speaker 1: I mean they got Jordan Davis first round pick, Jalen

737
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Speaker 1: Carter first round pick, all their linebackers. I mean, they

738
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Speaker 1: got really good players up front, and they had no

739
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Speaker 1: clue what was called. It felt like, you know sometimes

740
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Speaker 1: when you watch like a Navy, you know, coaches always talk, hey,

741
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: whenever you play one of those service academies, it's hard

742
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Speaker 1: to practice for him because you know the different misdirection

743
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: and they're chop blocking you. The Eagles were just all

744
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: they didn't know where. It was like they were playing

745
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: the wing tea and you could tell early on You're

746
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Speaker 1: like this is a pretty special game plan here from

747
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Speaker 1: Ben Jones, He's I've been blown away. And I always say,

748
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Speaker 1: like going from a coordinator job to a head coach,

749
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Speaker 1: havn't seen it firsthand. When I was in Philly, Sean

750
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Speaker 1: McDermott was our defensive coordinator. Andy Ree was the head coach.

751
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: When someone got in trouble, Big Dom walked to Andy's office,

752
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Speaker 1: not Sean McDermott's. So as a coordinator, you just you're

753
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Speaker 1: not dealing with so many other things in the building. Besides,

754
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking football, And clearly he's able to

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Speaker 1: handle the pressure of this city, the divisions were. He's

756
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: now beating really good teams, right, It's like, okay, who

757
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: he's beating the Giants last couple weeks. It's like that

758
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: Steeler game, even if they end up nine to eight,

759
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: that was a real win. And obviously the Eagles on

760
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: the road in Philadelphia a short week with Philly just

761
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Speaker 1: coming off that loss to just I mean, they worked them.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was they kicked their ass. That was

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Speaker 1: honestly one of those situations where you went, am I

764
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of out on Philly because something's off. It does

765
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Speaker 1: feel a little bit not quite as bad. But remember

766
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when they free fell something.

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Speaker 1: You can't have a working situation with aj and Jalen

768
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Speaker 1: having it be that public, that palpable, even if like well,

769
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Speaker 1: on the field, we just put our head downs. Eventually

770
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Speaker 1: that stuff carries over to other people and creates some

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Speaker 1: sort of rift. Right.

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Speaker 2: No, And the other thing is Greg co Sell. Ohas

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Speaker 2: he's truth serum. Greg co Sell watches film. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: really have strong opinions based on anything other than film.

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Speaker 2: And he always says this. The Philadelphia pass game is

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00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: really very simple. It's not hard to defend. They just

777
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: have great athletes and theirs throws Jalen Hurts can't make

778
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Speaker 2: because he can't see. So that's why this offense is

779
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: so uneven. So when Barkley Sha Kwan, Barkley's not getting

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Speaker 2: these run gaps, it becomes very Jalen Hurts dependent. Well,

781
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Speaker 2: that's a limited offense, Saquon Barkley's humm and now it's

782
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Speaker 2: second and three. Yeah, the offense is better, but you

783
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Speaker 2: put Jalen Hurts into have to throw situations. It's a

784
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Speaker 2: simple offense. He doesn't see some stuff. I mean, he's

785
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Speaker 2: better than Tua because he's more athletic, he's tougher. But

786
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Speaker 2: there's limitations. And I also think we go back to

787
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Speaker 2: Nick Siriani when he got the job. I had two people,

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Speaker 2: I just say what do you think? And they're like,

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Speaker 2: he's not ready to be a head coach. He needs

790
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: to get great coordinators. Well he got Shane Steiken, and

791
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: he didn't let Steiken call plays. Remember that you do.

792
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Speaker 2: They were awful, then he gave it up. Then they

793
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Speaker 2: were fine. Now he hires Brian Johnson, it's a disaster.

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Speaker 2: Then hires this his new guy, Kevin what's the last

795
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: name Petula? But Kevin Petula. Kevin Petula obviously struggling with

796
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Speaker 2: either relationships or play calling. There's nothing that can do.

797
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: Nick's almost got an aggressive defensive coordinator mentality. He's not

798
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Speaker 2: remotely close to a scheme guy. So to me, they

799
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Speaker 2: have problems they can't solve in season. Most great offensive

800
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: coaches can solve their shit in season. I don't think

801
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: Sirianni only solved it with Shane Stiken when he just

802
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: handed over the play calling. So what are they gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Do we really think this team? I mean, john this

804
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: has been a nine week eleven week twelve week issue.

805
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Speaker 2: This isn't going away.

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Speaker 1: The one thing they got going for him is I

807
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: did this after the Bears game. They still got the Raiders,

808
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Speaker 1: the Commanders, and the Commanders on the schedule, and even

809
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: next week they play the Chargers on Monday Night, who

810
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: just have a lot of injuries and just are a

811
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: beatable you know, eight and fourteen. But to me, if

812
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Speaker 1: you lose to the Chargers, they do feel fickle enough

813
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: to lose, Danny. You know, you could get beat to

814
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Speaker 1: a random Commander game. I mean, we saw it happen

815
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. So I would say next week,

816
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Speaker 1: Monday Night football in Los Angeles, which I would guess

817
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Speaker 1: we'll have a lot of Eagles fans there kind of

818
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: must win, especially if the Cowboys, because you got all

819
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't have enough, you know, there's not enough

820
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: space for them to catch up. Well, all of a sudden,

821
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Speaker 1: you beat the Lions and the hottest team in the league.

822
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Speaker 1: The Eagles lose on Monday Night, then they got a

823
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Speaker 1: short week against the Raiders, and all of a sudden,

824
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Speaker 1: this pressure and it starts getting weird, and these guys,

825
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for aj. I mean, he's already

826
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Speaker 1: not keeping his mouth shut. You know, during the week

827
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Speaker 1: he started, He's like, what do I even care anymore?

828
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be on this team next year. And

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Speaker 1: the thing in Philly, you know they started. I knew

830
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Speaker 1: going into that game. I'm like, if this thing is

831
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Speaker 1: like seven to six or something in the first half,

832
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: that crowd is gonna be on edge because they already

833
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Speaker 1: come in with apprehension that we're not actually that good, Like,

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Speaker 1: I know, we're the defending champs, but we feel way off.

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Speaker 1: And then when you start getting physically shoved around, because

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Speaker 1: the one thing you'd say Philly has they had that

837
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: stretch when Fanjo got a couple of players back, it's like, yeah,

838
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: one of the best defense in the league. And then

839
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: you start getting worked on defense. You go, well, we're

840
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna have problems if we're not holding you, you know,

841
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: to ten thirteen points, we're gonna be in for it.

842
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they're up ten to three,

843
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: and you go the Eagles team, I mean, if it

844
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: wasn't I mean, they fumble a tush push, I don't

845
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: know they are. The story of the game, obviously was

846
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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. But I do think that, Kevin. But here's

847
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: the problem. So you're gonna this season, you go eleven

848
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Speaker 1: and six, you lose in the first round, you fire

849
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Speaker 1: have you know, it's Jalen's whatever tenth offensive coordinator ten

851
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Speaker 1: years or whatever the stat will be. It's like and

852
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Speaker 1: you just hope you get a Kellen Moore or Shane Sikein,

853
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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

854
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Speaker 2: Well, you're saving on Sirianni's contract, so and the Jalen

855
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,959
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Speaker 2: ers twenty six, Cleveland eight, the forty nine ers nine

863
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: and four heading into the latest bye in the Kyle

864
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: Shanahan era, I think it's a great time for a

865
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 2: buy these late buys are perfect. I have said this.

866
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: I think the coaching staff of the year is San

867
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: Francisco to be nine and four. That's a good division.

868
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: Even going to Arizona has historically been tough for all

869
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: the teams in that division, always been tough, even as

870
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: wonky and weird and strangely owned and quarterbacked in coach.

871
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: I know everybody wants to talk about Shador. You know,

872
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: they had two hundred and fifty three yards of total offense.

873
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: That's about what the Niners had. You know, Christian McCaffrey

874
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: twenty carries, four catches. Brock Purty was more than solid.

875
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 2: You know, Cleveland butchered a punt that helped a lot.

876
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: But you know, my take was San Francisco this year

877
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: had been very bad after wins, and I know you

878
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: can roll your eyes at Carolina, but they thumped him,

879
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: and Carolina beat the Rams today and Cleveland won last week,

880
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: So you can say what you want, but going to

881
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: Cleveland winning bad weather not built for brock Purty, I

882
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: was really impressed. I feel like I have to reevaluate.

883
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: I bet the Niners for third. Now Seattle won and

884
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: the Rams are gonna win the division. Do you think

885
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: San Francisco is a playoff team.

886
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I think the playoffs are set now.

887
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think all three teams in the

888
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: West are clearly in ram Seattle, the Niners, and I

889
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: think pretty much if the Lions loose, Thursday's the Bears

890
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: and the Packers, and that's in some more of those

891
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: are your three wild cards to me, the Niners today

892
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: was an organization organization will win. I mean, the Browns

893
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: are such a cluster, you know what I mean, what

894
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: an embarrassment of a franchise. It really And the forty

895
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: nine Ers are the complete opposite. They're playing. Their front

896
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: seven is like a UFL team. I mean, all there,

897
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: they showed the all the guys on injy reserve. I mean,

898
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: Fred Warner and Nick Bosa may combined like fifty million dollars.

899
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: They're two of Fred's one of the best defensive players

900
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: in the league.

901
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: Ohos to look like, Yeah, but.

902
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: Most of early this season looked fantastic. Before he tore

903
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: his ACL their first round pick they had, they were

904
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: six to eleven. They had the eleventh pick was the

905
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: kid from Georgia towards ACL. He's six ft and eighty pounds.

906
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, so we were moving through. They're playing with

907
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: Cleland Ferrell, who they let walk a couple of years,

908
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: who was on a practice squad, and he's flying around

909
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: Sack and Shador. Meanwhile, you got Stefanski and Barry have

910
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: this quarterback controversy with two guys they've drafted the third

911
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: and the fifth round, and the forty nine ers are

912
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: just clowning them in a like you said, brock Purty

913
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: has not been good in weather, even the day. He's

914
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: wearing something on his elbow that he heard a couple

915
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: of years ago against the Eagles, because in cold weather

916
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: it kind of stiffens up. I'm like, did he hurt

917
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: his elbow? No, that's just a holdover from his previous injury.

918
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: It's like Jesus, you know. But in Miles Garrett's coming

919
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: off a game where he has twenty five sacks against

920
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: the Raiders, So you're like this guy, Jim Schwartz, the

921
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: stat was he was eight and one against Kyle Shanahan

922
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: is a defensive coordinator, head coach against Kyle shwarense.

923
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: It was my second favorite bet. I had San Francisco

924
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: winning twenty four to twenty. My second favorite bet of

925
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: the day was Cleveland plus five and a half, six points.

926
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be a dog fight.

927
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think franchises. And this is what I

928
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: respect about Ben Johnson is you're either a tough coacher

929
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: or not. And not every guy is Jim Harbaugh or

930
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: Mike Frable like an actual tough guy, Dan Campbell. It's

931
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: about the way you practice. To knock on Lincoln Riley,

932
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: It's like, how do you practice and you know you

933
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: can be an offensive guy and be a tough minded

934
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: guy by the way you practice. And the forty nine.

935
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: I've been going to their practice for years, like it's

936
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: just a tough, old school franchise and this was a

937
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: year where honestly they should have been. Like last year,

938
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: Mac Jones has to start seven eight games, prettiest turf toe.

939
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: Look at the Bengals. They lose Burrow for a large

940
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: portion of the season and their whole franchise just melts down.

941
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: Like part of this is it's you're more than just one.

942
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: This is a team game like you see today, Like

943
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's not Shador, it's not Miles Garrett. You're

944
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: a team like you're kind of the special teams unit.

945
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: You're dependent on everybody, and I just think you just

946
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: saw the forty nine ers or we talk about this

947
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: a lot during the combine. You're like, you can just

948
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: tell these teams have no shot, and this gap now

949
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: is it's probably like ten teams verse twenty. Yeah, and

950
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: you got the Browns who spend all this money, who

951
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: got a couple Ivy League gms and coaches just like

952
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: there are always like four or five wins. It's like,

953
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's the owner the forty nine

954
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: ers since they've gotten Kyle really beside the one year

955
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: last year, like they've they've been pretty consistent now and

956
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: this year how they're doing it now. They benefit from

957
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: an easier schedule. But man, I mean they beat Seattle

958
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: and they beat the Rams this year.

959
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's no I this has been if

960
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: this has been the year of coaching Mike Vrabel, Ben Johnson,

961
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: Shanahan and Robert Sala. You've seen by the way Stafford

962
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 2: didn't practice before the season. This is the best Rams team.

963
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: Despite today's loss, mcvey's done an unbelievable job. So Rams

964
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: lost twenty eight thirty one. Carolina beat Some thirty one

965
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: to twenty eight. Basically Rams had three turnovers, Carolina none.

966
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: Bryce Young, you know it's fifteen for twenty, didn't make

967
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: any mistakes. Stafford, who's number one target now appears to

968
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: be Devonte Adams over Pooka at least in the end zone.

969
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: The regression I thought the Rams lost today. I was

970
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: texting Jason mcintyren like, you can't play seventeen eighteen weeks

971
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: without just heavy stepping in it, and it was just

972
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: all those turnovers coming into today. I think I think

973
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: Stafford had thirty touchdowns and two picks. That's like me

974
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: starting the year eighteen and one on my blazing five picks.

975
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: You're gonna do one and fours back to back. Like

976
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: regression of the mean. I don't take much from it.

977
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: I think the Rams have it sewed up, and I

978
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: think the Rams defense didn't play great. And I also

979
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: think the Carolina team we saw today and I watched

980
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: almost every snap of this game, they're six and six. Now,

981
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: that's the team I bet on getting a touchdown at

982
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: San Francisco. But San Francisco and Sala handcuffed Bryce Young

983
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: against a healthy defense. Today. Bryce Young moved the ball.

984
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: They were three for three on fourth down. I mean,

985
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: Caroline is more than functional.

986
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: Well, one thing they screwed up last weekgainst the Niners

987
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: is they did not run the ball. Today. I'm looking

988
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: right now, Hubbard and Dowdell had a combined thirty five

989
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: carries and they ran for one hundred and sixty yards.

990
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: And Hubbard had a touchdown on a wheel route, which

991
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: was essentially a run play. I mean, you get caught

992
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: the ball behind the line of scrimmage. So clearly, like

993
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: I will say this about Dave Canalis and the Panthers,

994
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: they are respectable franchise. Now you know that their quarterback

995
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: can be very hit or miss. Yeah, but you know

996
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: Stafford threw the pick six today, he had the fumble

997
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure that drive led to another touchdown.

998
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: So it's like they just kind of unraveled, you could tell.

999
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: I always give people a little grace of long travel

1000
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: if you're a West Coast team playing that early morning kickoff. Especially.

1001
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: You looked up today and even my wife was like

1002
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: on the main TV in the living room, the Bucks

1003
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: game was on and she was trying to find the

1004
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: Niner game. She's like, well, she started laughing because in

1005
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: Tampa's eighty two degrees and people were sweating. Yet every

1006
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: other game that was outside was like freezing cold thirty degrees.

1007
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: In Carolina it was a torrential downpour and some wind.

1008
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: Like the elements. Really you saw it in college football

1009
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. You're starting to see it

1010
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL Thanksgiving night even in Baltimore it was

1011
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: thirty five degrees. I was telling my mom, It's like,

1012
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: I know, it doesn't look really cold. Thirty five degrees

1013
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: in the Northeast with twenty mile an hour wins is frigid.

1014
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: Can't feel your fingers, you can't feel your feet. No

1015
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: different in that Philly game was you know, in the

1016
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,959
Speaker 1: thirties with wind that's really really cold. So you start

1017
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: getting these elements. The rams are human beings. How could

1018
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: they take the Panthers that seriously? Based off the last

1019
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: week short week, they probably don't have the best week

1020
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: of practice. All of a sudden, you find yourself not

1021
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: playing a great game and you're losing on the road,

1022
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: and then like this is if you win, you know,

1023
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: twelve and five or thirteen and four, one or two

1024
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: of those losses are gonna be like I'll probably like

1025
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: that one back the Patriots lost Week one to the Raiders,

1026
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: Like you're just gonna have some weird outcomes. I wouldn't

1027
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,959
Speaker 1: sell my stock on the Rams, but the one curve

1028
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: ball always for them. And I'm listen, I've been saying

1029
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: Stafford MVP. He is capable every once in a while

1030
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: just having a whoa, you know, yeah, hitting some guys

1031
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: in stride, just throwing pick sixes. And if he plays

1032
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: like shit, I mean, they'll just lose. And he was

1033
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: for his standard. I mean, that was a really really bad,

1034
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: obviously awful game.

1035
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking this up. In their three losses for

1036
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 2: the Rams, they're vulnerable to the pass. In their three losses,

1037
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: opposing quarterbacks went eight touchdowns, no pick, sixty eight percent

1038
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 2: completion percentage in one hundred and seventeen passer rating. That's

1039
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, Mac Jones and Bryce Young not exactly. Brady

1040
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: Mahomes are manning. So this is the Rams do not have.

1041
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: They have Kobe Durant, who's a really really interesting player.

1042
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Forbes they got from Washington. I don't even know

1043
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 2: how they got him, Waiver wire some hell of I know.

1044
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: And he's actually pretty good. They don't have a great secondary.

1045
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: Their safeties are good, but I do think if they

1046
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: if you can block their front, you can pick on

1047
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: them a little bit. Here's an interesting thought. Think about this.

1048
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: Eight teams had plus eleven hundred odds or better to

1049
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl. The number one seeds this year

1050
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: are the Patriots and the Bears. They won nine games

1051
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: combined last year. Coming into the year, the consensus was Mahomes, Burrow,

1052
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: Lamar Josh with the top four quarterbacks. It looks like

1053
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: today we're not sure if Lamar, Burrow and Mahomes make

1054
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Just just think about that. If I would

1055
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 2: have gone out and said Patriots and Bears are gonna

1056
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: win their to bit, they're gonna be the number one seeds,

1057
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: you'd be like, that's the craziest hot take I've ever

1058
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: heard of in my life. Folks, that's the NFL. That's what

1059
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: it is. By the way, Lamar, Burrow, Mahomes, and Allen,

1060
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: you're paying three and four hundred million for a quarterback.

1061
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: You have to have sacrifices on the rest of the roster.

1062
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: What if I would have told you when you wake

1063
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: up on Black Friday that the you know late August,

1064
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: I would have said the Cowboys and the Chiefs will

1065
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: have the same number of wins. When you wake up

1066
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: on Black Friday, there's not a soul that would have

1067
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: believed you. And you know, college football is kind of

1068
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's definitely way more parody with the transfer

1069
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: portal in the The NFL had kind of become top

1070
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: heavy these last couple of years, right, it was really

1071
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: the Chiefs trying to fend off the Bills in the Ravens.

1072
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: You know, the NFC was the forty nine Ers have

1073
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: kind of dominated, the Eagles have kind of dominated. It's

1074
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: been two or three teams now, I mean, you could

1075
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: make a case for six seven teams in the NFC.

1076
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm done saying the Bears have no chance. They just

1077
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: have some going for them. Their coaches really good, their defense,

1078
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: creets the Packers on any given day can look incredible.

1079
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: The forty nine ers have good coaching.

1080
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 2: Seattle look at this, John, What does Chicago do run

1081
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: the football? You think in January when it's nine degrees

1082
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: and blowing sideways and you coming in the NFC and

1083
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm Matt Stafford, Really, Matt Stafford nine degrees

1084
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: blowing sideways, take Devonte Adams out of the game, and Puka.

1085
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: It's a run game, even if the Packers end up

1086
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: getting them. You know, two of these next three weeks,

1087
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 1: and let's say the Bears are a wild card team.

1088
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: Who's to say that that translates on the road. They

1089
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: couldn't go to Seattle in a rainstorm and run it

1090
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: forty five times and just win a game fifteen to thirteen.

1091
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: He's clearly comfortable playing like that, right, and his runs,

1092
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: it's like, well they just have one. No, they were

1093
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 1: running all sorts of plays and their quarterback can scramble.

1094
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: So listen Seattle. The wild card with them is you

1095
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: know after that Rams game, he just I would feel

1096
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: much more confident if I had unequivocal like confidence in

1097
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But he's just a little bit of a

1098
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: wildcard to have a stinker.

1099
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: Well, they won twenty six nothing today and Donald didn't

1100
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: play well. You almost can't count the game because they

1101
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: were starting a rookie quarterback for Minnesota. But Sam Darnold

1102
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: today had one of those games where he was out

1103
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: of rhythm, passes were getting knocked down. They win twenty

1104
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: six to nothing. It was not pretty. It was very

1105
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 2: close through three quarters. And the only reason I mean

1106
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: that was a classic example where Brian Flores put the

1107
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: heat on Sam and he got out of rhythm and

1108
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: looked bad.

1109
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: Well, because what as Minnesota have. They have an NFL

1110
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: playoff level defensive coordinator, a playoff level defensive scheme. That's

1111
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for Flores because again,

1112
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: these are human beings. You know, if you're heard on

1113
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: the defensive unit and you start getting to mid late

1114
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: November and their quarterback situation is what it is, how

1115
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: you stay focused Like he's those guys are still playing

1116
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: their ass off with the court. The quarterback today through

1117
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: one of the worst picks you'll ever see, and in fairness,

1118
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: he has no business playing. But it's like Minnesota is

1119
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: a great example of like they have incredible coaching in

1120
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: their quarterback play. I don't I don't watch much Titans

1121
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: football anymore, but could can't be much. It's got to

1122
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: be the worst in the league.

1123
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: Right for the record, go look at the mock drafts. Okay,

1124
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: Minnesota is too good to get a top seven or

1125
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: eight pick. Dante More is probably gonna stay at Oregon,

1126
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: where Phil Knight can write him a four million dollar

1127
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: check and he can keep getting snaps and he loves it,

1128
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: and they'll won a bunch of games. Mendoza's going high.

1129
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody else is the top twelve talent.

1130
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: I really don't.

1131
00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't.

1132
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: I think Ty Simpson at Alabama's a second rounder, maybe

1133
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: late first. I don't see it.

1134
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: That seems high to me.

1135
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: He's the closer third fourth, yeah, yeah, So I like

1136
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: Jayden Mayava late second, early third. Okay, the USC kid.

1137
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: So my takeaway on this draft is you think I'm crazy.

1138
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: I would go get Mac Jones. You may not have.

1139
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: You won't have to give up a first round pick

1140
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: because you do have to pay him a little bit.

1141
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: But I mean, if you're in Minnesota, you can't go

1142
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: through this again. You have two good players justin Jefferson

1143
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison. I mean, I'm sorry you have a left

1144
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: tackle its already had a major injured injury. How long

1145
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: are you going to be able to keep Brian Flores

1146
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: If you're in Minnesota, I'm watching today and I'm like

1147
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, forget the inefficiency. He can't stay healthy. Yeah,

1148
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: you have to go get somebody. I would go get

1149
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, I really would. I think. I think cal

1150
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, you're going to have to give up probably

1151
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: a second round pick, but you can keep your first.

1152
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I just I look at what

1153
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: Minnesota's doing, and I know that Kevin O'Connell, Sean McVay,

1154
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: Sean Payton, those guys are not the Steelers. They're just

1155
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 2: not gonna wait until July to figure out their quarterback situation.

1156
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, they had faith in a guy that you know.

1157
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think everyone's talking about his poor

1158
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: metrics that are comparable to JaMarcus Russell. His biggest issue

1159
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: right now is he missed all of last season where

1160
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: he couldn't have played if they wanted, And now he's

1161
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: got three different injuries right and some of them, I mean,

1162
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: the longest ankle injury in humanity, and then listen, concussion.

1163
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes guys fly back on the plane and clearly he's out.

1164
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: But you know, it does feel a lot of people

1165
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: go conspiracy theory and be like, is he getting soft

1166
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: benched all the time, which is kind of believable because

1167
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: how poorly he's playing, and you just can't function with

1168
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: the high priced team with high expectations with poor quarterback

1169
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: play and the development. It's easy to learn on the

1170
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: fly when my team sucks and we have no expectations, right,

1171
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. Once it was clear the Giants weren't going anywhere,

1172
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: you can just figure it out. The Vikings won fourteen

1173
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: games last year and we're sixteen minutes away from the

1174
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: number one overall seed. So even if they were gonna

1175
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: take a step back, I think it's very fair to go, well, minimum,

1176
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: we should win nine or ten games and be in

1177
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: the mix to get a wild card spot. And they're

1178
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: not even competitive in these games anymore because they can't

1179
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: they can't get first downs. So yeah, I think the

1180
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: power that the forty nine ers are gonna have they

1181
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: sign him to a two year, seven million dollar contract.

1182
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: You've been in more negotiations than me, but I've always

1183
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: heard the most powerful words or no, And the one

1184
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: thing the forty nine ers can keep saying is Nope,

1185
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: we're good. We'll keep him because his value to the

1186
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: Niners is pretty high. He saved Mac Jones, saved the

1187
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: Niners season. So it's like, okay, Minnesota, Like, to me,

1188
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: a second round wouldn't be worth it, maybe second a player,

1189
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: maybe a fourth, Like I'm gonna need a lot because

1190
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: his value to my franchise given how little money he

1191
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: makes and how I know how well he can play

1192
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: in my offense, He's worth more to me than he

1193
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: is to everyone else. And clearly he'd be worth a

1194
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: lot to you because you could function. So I think

1195
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers have a ton of leverage with

1196
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback who like, we'll see if party can

1197
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: just make the rest of the year. You know, even

1198
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: this year, he's wearing this brace on his arm like

1199
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: he's he's not exactly built like Josh Allen. So I

1200
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: think we got a long way to go. And if

1201
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm the forty nine ers, it would take a lot

1202
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: for me to just send him your way to be

1203
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback and save you. So the JJ McCarthy pick,

1204
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: it's got a chance to be an Alzheimer, because that's

1205
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: with sometimes like Pennix, I was high on Panics. Clearly

1206
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't as good as I thought. And then also

1207
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: the injuries. I had people texting me that like listen

1208
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: John that never liked him. The problem was is our

1209
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: doctors were very uneasy with the amount of injuries he

1210
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: had in college and then he hurts himself again the

1211
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: same injury he had multiple times in college, Like he

1212
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: was off boards, where JJ was just a polarizing prospect

1213
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: right when you play the scouting meetings at Alabama and

1214
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: their heyday, like Mac Jones, he's playing with four first

1215
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: round wide receivers and really every team he's playing beside

1216
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: maybe one, it's such an vantage to Alabama. Michigan. Even

1217
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: I saw Urban Meyer on Big Fox on the pregame show,

1218
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: was like listen. They went over each of the Michigan

1219
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State games the last four years. He said, the

1220
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: one game that I can't really hold against Ohio State

1221
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: was the game the year that they won the National championship.

1222
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: Michigan had the best team in the country. No one

1223
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: would argue that, and they should have won that game.

1224
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: That's what JJ won. A game against Penn State where

1225
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: they didn't throw it in the second half. That's we

1226
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: used to talk you know a lot about Jimmy Garoppolo.

1227
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: Remember they won a NFC championship game. He didn't even attemptable.

1228
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: That's unheard of. That that's not the way people played

1229
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: football anymore. So I don't know, they took a swing

1230
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: and it looks like it blew up in their face

1231
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: really quick, Like it blew up in their face fast. Yeah.

1232
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: And Minnesota has always been a like the Kansas City Chiefs,

1233
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: a really solid, well run team that's always either in

1234
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: the playoffs or on the precipice of getting into the playoffs.

1235
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: They've won with you know, they've won a lot of

1236
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: different quarterbacks and a lot of different styles. But I

1237
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: don't know, I think they would go big game hunting.

1238
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just say this, if I was an

1239
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: older quarterback. Aaron's too old now and Stafford's not going anywhere.

1240
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins feels washed. But if I was an older

1241
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: quarterback or a veteran quarterback, like I've said on this

1242
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: podcast and on my show, I'm Joe Burrow, can you

1243
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: force your way out? I mean, honestly, it's I look

1244
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 2: at Joe Burrow sometimes and I'm like, oh, I feel

1245
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: so That's why I always I mean, Carson Palmer and

1246
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow are two of the greatest quarterback prototypical talents

1247
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: in the last thirty years. One got to a Super Bowl.

1248
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: What if Carson Palmer ends up with Andy Reid. What

1249
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: if Joe Burrow ends up with a Harbaugh Like, I

1250
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: feel so bad, even though Joe Burrow looked good the

1251
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: other night. I think Minnesota is in a bind, and

1252
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what you do. Mac Jones feels like

1253
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 2: the best answer in a dilemma that I'm not sure

1254
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: has an easy solution.

1255
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: The problem for Joe is that owner's kind of proven

1256
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: to be pretty stubborn and his answers always no ask Carson.

1257
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: Turns out Carson is, you know, the next Kyle Shanahan

1258
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: or Sean McVay, just dominating high school football in California,

1259
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: Santa Margarita. I can't imagine being a high school player

1260
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, I know more than my coach, and

1261
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: it turns out I'm playing for Carson Palmer. I mean,

1262
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: those kids got pretty lucky. Turns out Carson Palmer. I mean,

1263
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's made a lot of money,

1264
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: but if he really wanted to dip his tow into

1265
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: doing this, he'd be a big time coach really quick.

1266
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: At college football. You know the Trojans. If Lincoln were

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Speaker 1: ever leave, I mean that I'd be all over that guy.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Trojans won nine and three. If they

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Speaker 2: win a bowl game, they go ten and three with

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Speaker 2: a number one recruiting class. It doesn't feel right, but

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Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to argue. I still feel four

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Speaker 2: years in, I don't trust their defense or their special

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01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: teams on the road in a big game, but they

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Speaker 2: won so and they have an unbelievable recruiting class coming in. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin is the new coach of LSU. It feels big.

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Speaker 2: Ohio State looks like the best team in the country,

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Speaker 2: played conservatively still one going away. And I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: I said this on a brief podcast yesterday. I text

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01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: two people on Julian Saying and I said, footwork, release

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Speaker 2: an accuracy. He looks at twenty years old, Julian saying,

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Speaker 2: looks like a guide book on how to set, throw

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Speaker 2: and deliver the ball. If he was available this year

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Speaker 2: in the draft, knowing that he's twenty and he's not

1284
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Speaker 2: ready to play, and you had if he was available

1285
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Speaker 2: in the draft, and you're like Dallas and you're like,

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Speaker 2: we don't need somebody for two years, and Dallas has

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Speaker 2: two number one picks, go get in rank with your

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01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: first pick, ramsed. Although they may need somebody quickly. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I'm being hyperbolic here. I think Julian saying, dude,

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Speaker 2: his completion percentage was over seventy five. It's snow, it's

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Speaker 2: on the road, it's the second half after that early pick,

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01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 2: and the tight ends for this year really Okay, they're

1293
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: running back. Jackson's pretty good. But this is not Ohio State.

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01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: I thought was better offensively last year. They're better defensively

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01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 2: this year. I could be crazy on this, but I

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Speaker 2: think we're looking potentially. I text somebody that knows him

1297
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: well and has followed him from high school. They're like,

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01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: he is Stafford, keeps it simple, totally focused, good dude.

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Speaker 2: Teammates love him. Literally, came out of the womb. Let

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01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: it rip ball comes out easily, seamlessly, accuracy, accurately. That

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Speaker 2: kid blows me away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would say that the experience watching

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: that game, We're watching the two quarterbacks beyond the polar

1304
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: opposite side, I mean Brot Bryce. There's no disputing his talents,

1305
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: like his physical gifts. He's got a long way to

1306
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: go to play quarterback, you know, and you watch you

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01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: know saying does benefit I mean Jeremiah Smith one of

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01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: the best, you know, college players we've potentially ever seen

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: in the position. Date's pretty damn good their offensive just

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01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: that they've been pretty dial that offense now for a while.

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01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: I give Patricia a lot of credit. I mean, this

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01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: guy had been a lifelong NFL guy, specifically in New England,

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01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: right left for a little bit in Detroit, but to

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: go to college and you know in the pros, think

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01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: how many guys you know from High Tower to mccordy.

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01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: These guys he had been around on their thirty thirty two,

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01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: like they're old that he just knows exactly what they

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01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: can handle. And I get Ohio State's getting the cream

1319
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: of the crop, but defensively that he is pretty seamless.

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01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: Transition it's not as easy. You don't get as much

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01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: time with the kids. You know, clearly Patricia's you know,

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01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: he's a rocket scientist to begin with, so he's pretty

1323
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: sharp coming from what he's used to in New England

1324
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: to be able to transition to college. I've been blown

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01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: away by how good he's been. And I could be

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01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: a skeptic of Ohio State, but I give Ryan Dale

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01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for that higher I don't think

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01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,959
Speaker 1: there was much carryover. But it's not like those guys

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: knew each other, like had worked on similar staffs. It

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01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: would have been easy for Matt two to go with

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01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: Bill a UNC to go to you know, go to

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, get away from Bill. He's really kind of

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01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: pretty big muscle flex by Matt Patricia this year of like,

1334
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty good at this.

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Speaker 2: For the record, they brought in Vrabel to be a

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01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 2: coach for a while. Chip Kelly and Matt Patricia. It

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01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: tells you a little bit about Ohio State's reach and

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01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: kind of the respect that has in college football where

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 2: you can a lot of these college programs would call

1340
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: an NFL coach. Yeah, I'm not doing that nonsense. I mean,

1341
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly left a head coaching job to go to

1342
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 2: Ohio State. Hey and Ray Ryan Day are buddies forever,

1343
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: but it's Ohio State. I'll say this in past coverage,

1344
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've ever seen a secondary that good.

1345
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: There's no windows nobody's opening. And this is a This

1346
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: isn't your typical Michigan team in the last ten years. This

1347
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: team has real stars wide receiver, hard boss teams did not.

1348
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 2: They were tight end, running back, O line they didn't

1349
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: have great receiving, not deep receiving. This Michigan team, marsh

1350
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 2: they got real players. There's nobody open like nobody open.

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Speaker 1: I also thought on Friday Night, you know one thing,

1352
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: a lot of these young guys have you know, even Shador,

1353
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy takes a lot of shit. He

1354
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: gets hit all the time. A lot of these young

1355
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: guys are pretty mentally tough, you know, And I do

1356
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: wonder if growing up in the social media age, they're

1357
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: just used to more noise. Arch could have melted this season.

1358
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: It was getting pretty ugly. He was playing bad. I

1359
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: can imagine in the insular bubble in Austin, it was

1360
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: pretty negative around the program. And I just thought it

1361
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: was a pretty cool moment to seeing his dad cheer

1362
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: him on that place, rocking him taking text a and

1363
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: m hadn't lost, right, that's that's a big game. And

1364
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: he he made some I mean that run he had

1365
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: for a touchdown, he threw that touchdown pass in the

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01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 1: back of the end zone. They just they kind of

1367
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: kicked their ass in the second half. I just thought

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01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,799
Speaker 1: that was a cool moment for you know, these guys.

1369
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: Even That's why I wouldn't bet against Bryce Underwood. These

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Speaker 1: guys are kind of used to the way they've grown up.

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Speaker 1: If you're a big five star, the way people are

1372
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Speaker 1: talking about you, you know, just the little newspaper article,

1373
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: Like kids that I grew up with in the nineties, Like,

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: these guys are used to a lot of noise. They're

1375
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: kind of unfazed because I think a lot of kids

1376
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: that my era would have melted like an ice cube

1377
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: if I arch Manning all the negativity surrounding me. And

1378
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: he's kind of just held his head high and kept swinging.

1379
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: So I earned my respect on Friday Night. Yeah, I think.

1380
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 2: I think listening to my kids, my son, my daughter,

1381
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: and my step kids is I think a lot of

1382
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 2: what's on the internet it either melts you or you

1383
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: just think it's funny as hell. And I think arch

1384
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: Manning's got really smart parents and he's a really good kid,

1385
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 2: and I think he sees it as folly. Like you know,

1386
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 2: there was one article about him. It was so bad.

1387
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: It was by the guy who created a dead Spin.

1388
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: Called him the worst prospect of all time.

1389
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: Or whatever, or the biggest bust of all time. It's like, dude,

1390
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: you spent too much time in New York. Do you

1391
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 2: follow college football recruiting if there's four five star quarterbacks

1392
01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 2: annually tour whiffs every year, like total whiffs I give you.

1393
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 2: I mean in Soutthern, California alone, USC's last ten five

1394
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: stars signings, like half have just not played at all,

1395
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: done anything or transferred or so like it was just

1396
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: such a bad article, and it's like, give me a

1397
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: just don't write it. He's a freshman, he's a Manning.

1398
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot of pressure. By the way, we now though,

1399
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: we now know that arch Manning opened up against arguably

1400
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: the best college defense in a decade.

1401
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: Well, look at Dante Moore two years ago at UCLA

1402
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: for Chip. I mean, his freshman year couldn't have gone

1403
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: much worse. He looked like this is not gonna work out.

1404
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: Two years later, he's one of the best players in

1405
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: college football. So I'm guilty of this, you know, I

1406
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: think now because these guys are getting paid and there's

1407
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: just i mean, arts are so much hype on him.

1408
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: Your expectations are pretty high. It's pretty hard. These are

1409
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: difficult spots. It's there are more people watching college football

1410
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: now than ever. There's a lot of money on the line,

1411
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on, and these guys that are

1412
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: able to kind of battle through it. I mean Dante

1413
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: Moore is a good example, kind of put his head down,

1414
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: went to be a backup. He's gonna end up if

1415
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: he comes back to Oregon. I mean there's probably a

1416
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty shot. He's the number one pick in

1417
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven.

1418
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: All Right, New England at home, Drake May number one

1419
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: seed Vrabel Coach of the Year candidate, minus seven against

1420
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: the New York Giants. Listen, I saw the Niners a

1421
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: week ago at home, feel big and flex. I think

1422
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 2: this is an opportunity. This is a standalone game for

1423
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel and Drake May. They've done some one o'clock

1424
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 2: window stuff. I mean for a number one seed John,

1425
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: they're not getting a lot of play nationally. They feel

1426
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 2: like a regional story. They're the dunkin Donuts of the NFL.

1427
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: They're huge in the New England area. This is a

1428
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: flex moment for them. I'm gonna take New England to

1429
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: win and cover.

1430
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: I will say this about the Mike Kafka led Giants

1431
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: these last couple of weeks, they have been very frisky

1432
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: against the Packers two weeks ago. Last week, they easily

1433
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: could have beat the Lions. So this is a lot

1434
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: of points. You know, even bad teams on these primetime

1435
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: games late in the season, it's kind of their super Bowl.

1436
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Giants with the points. I just

1437
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 1: think these these primetime games with bad teams who actually

1438
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: have a little momentum can just be pretty frisky. So

1439
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you the I think the Patriots win the game,

1440
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: but it's that's a lot of points.

1441
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart's supposed to play yep. John Middlecoff former NFL

1442
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: Scout three and out to his podcast. Nice work, buddy,

1443
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: see you

1444
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: The volume