WEBVTT - War on Women 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.880 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.800 me your girl, Danielle Moody, recording live ish from my 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.279 Brooklyn bunker of folks. You know, I want to talk 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:30.800 today about something that has been really troubling right which 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.960 is the fallout from the Texas Abortion Band. So last 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:40.159 week there was a bit of a hopeful reprieve, which honestly, 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.519 I don't know why people were feeling hopeful at all, 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.680 because we knew where this case was going to go. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.960 That while a federal judge said that the band was 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.680 unconstitutional and does not allow women to be able to 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.200 make the choices that are necessary right to determine their 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.400 own life outcomes, and that it goes against Rovie Wade, 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.200 which is law of the land, we knew that this 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.360 was going to be kicked down to another quarter of 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:12.480 appeals where they are conservatives that have been stacked because unlike, 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:18.360 let's say, what you know we've been doing Democrats, which 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:20.920 is not talking about the courts, not talking about how 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:25.280 important they are, not talking about attorney generals, state attorneys, 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.480 like why all of this matters? We never focus on 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.880 the courts as Democrats ever, we never talk about it. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.319 Maybe we talk about the Supreme Court, but not really. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.559 And so because of this, we are right now living 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.640 in a state where we have a conservative Supreme Court, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:48.200 where we have three hundred some odd Trump justices across 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.480 the country, and what we know to be true is 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.280 that all of our most important issues do not get 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.640 solved by Congress. I mean, right now, Congress can't even 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.160 pass a fucking bill. Right they can't even pass the 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.640 infrastructure bill. They can't do anything that actually matters. Why 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.520 because you have two fucking Democrats and I use air 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.560 quotes with this, two Democrats that have decided that they 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.600 don't actually give a fuck about this country. Kirsen Cinema 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.440 had the audacity to fucking tell people that I don't 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.960 even talk to other members of Congress. I'm only talking 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.280 to the President of the United States, Like, bitch, who 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.440 do you think that you are? Right? I want people 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.440 to continue attacking her in public, and I don't mean physically, 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.200 but I mean asking her right about whether or not 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.560 she's going to talk to her constituents, whether or not 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.520 she gives a shit about them. But nonetheless, let me 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.160 not digress and go back to Texas. The reality is, 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.119 and what has been reported since this band took effect 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:49.360 is that women all over Texas are now overwhelming the 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:53.120 states around them and the abortion clinics that are there. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:57.040 Just recently, I saw a report on MSNBC done by 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.440 a former guest and our friend, Yasmin Vesusan. She's down 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:06.000 in Louisiana right now at Hope Clinic, right a clinic 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:11.000 where the director has said that now currently seventy five percent, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.160 close to seventy five percent of the cases that are 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.880 coming in are women from Texas. And we are learning 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:24.200 that all of the abortion clinics in states around Texas 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:28.480 are being pushed to their brink. That the parking lot 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.600 is full of cars, all with Texas license plates. So 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.800 what is it actually that Governor Abbott thinks that he's doing. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.600 Does he think that he is miraculously saving all of 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.400 these embryos, saving these cells, and that women of Texas 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:49.120 are going to learn their lesson and be forced into parenthood. No, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.440 He's just making what is already for some a very 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.080 difficult choice, and for others it's not a difficult choice. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.840 It is a necessity. It is a necessity. It is 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.080 something that they do in order to determine the outcome 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:06.160 of their lives. So what does he think that this 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:11.120 piece of bullshit legislation is doing. It isn't doing anything 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.600 other than what it's intended to do, folks, which is 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:20.320 punish women. This is what we don't talk about enough, right. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:25.120 We don't talk about the fact that these pieces of legislation, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:31.839 they are not intended to promote pro life or intended 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:38.920 to do anything really except for one thing, and one 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.919 thing alone, and that is to hurt women. That is 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:47.279 to punish women for having the audacity, I guess what, 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:52.279 to have sex in the first place. Right. The thing 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.880 that frustrates me about the current predicament of abortion rights 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.400 in this country, which, by the way, if you're thinking 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.880 to yourself that you live in a blue state and 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:04.960 everything is going to be okay because of where you 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:10.800 currently are, it's not. It's not. What we know to 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.039 be true is that we're not safe. We're not safe 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:20.720 from white Christian supremacy in this country. We're not. It 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.200 doesn't matter if you are safely in New York like 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.360 I am, or you think that you're safely in California. 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.200 They are coming for all of our rights. I spoke 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:36.880 about this on Twitter. I tweeted months ago that first right, 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:41.840 they come for facts, then they come for science right, 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:45.640 then they come for LGBTQ rights, then they come for 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.920 women's rights, then they come for voting rights, and they 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.800 are receiving no pushback. Sure, there are court cases that 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.159 are going to be pending, that are currently pending to 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.800 take down the law, but the law was written in 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:03.960 such a way that it's really hard to take it 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:08.200 to court because it hasn't been activated. Right, So you 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.440 will give people the right to be bounty hunters, to 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:15.960 be abortion bounty hunters, but until an action is actually taken, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:22.839 there isn't really anything to take down. But what the 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:28.400 intention was was to punish women, force them into parenthood, 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:33.839 force them into miles hundreds of miles long journeys. You know. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.719 One of the things that I learned right about the clinic, 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:41.479 the Hope Clinic in Louisiana that was covered is that Louisiana, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.000 this state has its own abortion laws, right obviously, as 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.680 do all of the states, but in Louisiana, you have 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:54.280 to what go in for an initial appointment, which is 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.680 days off of work, a day off of work, not 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.000 to mention the travel time that it takes to get there. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.680 So you're talking about maybe two days off to work. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.760 When you go into the clinic, you have your first 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:11.000 initial appointment, Louisiana requires that you wait an additional twenty 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:16.280 four hours before having the procedure. So now you're talking 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.320 about multiple more than one, more than two, maybe three 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.680 four days that you're missing from work. Well, what about 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:29.040 hourly wage workers who don't have vacation time? What about 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:34.000 the poor? What about women who don't have cars, who 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:38.080 don't have access to the resources necessary to just hop 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.280 on a flight and go to where they need to 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:46.200 go to. So not only is this legislation about punishing women, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:51.960 but it's about punishing a particular woman, poor women, women 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:56.920 of color. Right. And what's funny is that you know, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.320 one of the questions that I ask are have we changed, Oh, 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.280 I don't know the laws to make sure that these 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:10.280 women are actually taken care of? Have we expanded welfare programs? 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:15.239 Have we expanded social safety nets? Have we has Governor Abbott, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:20.920 on top of banning abortions, has he made childcare free? Right? 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.480 Has he made it so that the men who are 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:32.840 a part of this scenario are financially liable to support 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.280 this child? Right? That you're being forced to carry. Is 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.960 a state of Texas going to help you raise this child? 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.679 Are they providing you with any resources? No, they're not. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.600 So there is nothing that has been done to help 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:58.440 women who are being forced into motherhood. They're not providing 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:05.440 you with any care, any help, any resources, nothing. So 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.480 whose life do you actually give a shit about? Because 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.600 it certainly is not the life of the child. Because 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:17.360 if it was really about wanting to protect quote unquote life, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.160 then you would before expanding social safety nets to make 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:26.679 sure that these low income, right oftentimes black and brown 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.200 women then are able to do the best that they 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.959 can in order to care for this child that they 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:38.440 are being forced to have by the governor. But no, 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:44.800 So the real question is what is the endgame? Because 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:49.400 just so you know, Governor Abbott once again spoke the 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:56.160 quiet part out loud when asked about birth control. You see, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.079 they're not just going after abortion, they're also coming or 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.760 birth control as well. You see, they want to control 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:10.440 every single fucking aspect of what it means to conceive. Right, 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.920 we've already had cases about this right hobby lobby, the 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.800 religious fucking craft store. They didn't want to pay for 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:27.000 birth control for their employees. They cover viagra, they cover 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:29.840 allergy medicine, they cover a whole host of things. But 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.240 it was against their religion to want to cover a 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.040 birth control So what do you think that Governor Abbott 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.800 is up to next? He's going to make it so 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:44.200 that probably businesses don't have to cover birth control. Do 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.480 you know how expensive birth control is if you don't 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:52.880 have insurance? Right? So again, what is the endgame here? 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.840 Because they're not adding anything to help growing families, They're 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:04.320 not adding anything into the law to help raise these children. No, 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:09.120 they're just making it so that women who live in Texas, right, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:15.080 I guess, won't have sex at all or bear the 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:21.400 consequences on their own. It's so disgusting because you see, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.880 it isn't just going to be in Texas. And that's 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:28.120 why I am saying be prepared. This is a fight, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.199 this is a battle, This is a war, the next 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:38.280 Christian crusade that is being waged in this country. And 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.400 you're going to have coffeecats. We are already seeing the 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.360 Texas coffeecats that are happening in Florida, in another state. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:53.480 The case going before the Supreme Court Mississippi fifteen week 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.880 abortion ban again, these bands coming into place before women 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:03.440 even know that they're pregnant. But you see, the point 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.280 isn't about being pro life because on the same on 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.600 the same vein, in the same vein, these people are 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:18.440 against everything. They're against healthcare right, They're against protecting your 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:24.600 kids in schools because they are banning vaccinations. So is 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:29.679 the endgame for Republicans just death and misery and despair 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:34.040 and cruelty and punishment. Like this is why I don't 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:39.200 understand how Democrats are so fucking bad at messaging, because 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:41.000 this is all that you would have to say to me, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.319 write any sane person. So what are you offering? Ask 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.560 the fucking questions, dear reporters that are in Abbott's face 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.080 with microphones. What's your endgame here? Governor? How do you 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:59.760 actually plan to help these women and these families? Right? 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.680 What kind of legislation are you going to be putting 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:07.320 together to ensure the health and the well being of 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:12.240 these children that you say we need to protect, But 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:17.000 you see they don't. It's about power and control. And 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.080 I wish that the questions would be asked so that 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:25.840 we can hear it directly from the horse's mouth. But 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:28.840 we all keep fucking pretending that we don't know what 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:33.200 they're up to. This is their large plan. Let me 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:39.640 break it down for you. You see, you create a 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.800 fucking system where women don't have access to birth controls 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.640 and they don't have access to abortion, forcing many of 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:55.360 them right into what motherhood, forcing them out of the 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:59.719 workplace because they're not going to be able to do 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:03.120 both right, Like, they're not going to be able to 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:07.360 dictate their economic wellbeing, and because now they're having kids 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.400 that they didn't fucking want and could not take care of, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.600 they're going to be forced out of the workplace. As 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.520 we saw during COVID. We're still in COVID. I don't 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.880 know why I just said during COVID, but in twenty 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.840 twenty at the height, you know how many women left 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.000 the workforce, were forced out of the workforce because they're 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:35.720 the primary caregivers over two million. So then what happens, Oh, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.560 they believe that what all of these empty positions will 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:45.120 then go back to what only white men so that 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:49.360 they can make America great again, pushing women back into 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.640 the household, chaining them to children that they don't want, 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:59.400 and then freeing up what it's just it's so fucking 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:07.680 ridiculous that it's so clear. The goal is cruelty, the 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:12.560 goal is punishment, The goal is white male domination. And 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.240 how do you do that You get women out of 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.320 the way. And how do you get women out of 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:26.040 the way, You chain them, right, two families that they 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:35.920 don't want. I can't imagine the fear that these women 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:46.440 have right leaving and going traveling for hundreds of miles, 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.720 most of them doing so alone, hoping to be seen 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:57.840 at clinics that are being overrun right now, hoping that 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.600 they have this life saving procedure. And I say life 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:09.240 saving because abortion saves women's lives. It allows them to 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.480 have choices, whether or not they can take a job, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:21.960 go to school. No one should be forced into motherhood. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.840 No one should be forced into that. What kind of 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.080 life if you care really about kids, what kind of 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:37.440 fucking life is that? It isn't one. But they don't care, folks, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:42.880 they don't care. And that is the message, right, That 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:49.200 is the overarching message to women is that they don't care. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.880 Republicans don't give a fuck. And so it's amazing to 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.440 me that we think that these people are going to 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:00.720 take over the House and take over the Senate again 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:06.760 on what platform? What fucking policy right? What are they? 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.320 What are they? What the fuck are they offering to 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.760 the American people. But you see by Biden not being 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:17.080 able to get any of his agenda done, they can 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.840 just point to and say, well, he hasn't done anything 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.920 for you. But they won't tell you why. They won't 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.240 say that it's because of their obstructionism, and Democrats won't 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.280 call it out because they're too fucking scared and chicken 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.000 shit to do so, because they're always worried about the 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:40.879 reaction instead of worried about the present fucking moment. I 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.200 don't give a fuck about what Republicans may do when 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.639 they take back power. The goal should be that they 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:52.280 never get power again. Because this slow moving, fucking coup 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.199 is fucking moving and they are winning and they have 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.960 they don't have Congress and they don't have the White House, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:14.200 but they got everything else. It is so fucking troubling 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:21.400 to me, so troubling that it's like I see this, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:30.880 I see the you see the comet coming, and you're 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.520 pointing in the sky and you're screaming, and you're telling 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.040 people get out of the way, get out of the 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:41.400 way the comment is coming, but it's like there's no 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:47.640 voice coming out and no one is moving. That's how 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:53.880 I feel about our democracy. It's going right like it 0:18:54.000 --> 0:19:01.639 is on its way out. Fascism, authoritarianism, cruelty, punishment is 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:05.359 going to be the law of the land. We see it. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:10.200 We are seeing it happen slowly, state by state by state, 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:23.080 and we're taking no urgent action. We're doing nothing, nothing 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:38.560 to stop this. Most days I am I feel utterly hopeless. 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:46.479 I do because I'm just like, how do you stop it? 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.400 What can be done? And the thing is is that 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.639 we need legislation. We need to end the filibuster, we 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.080 need to protect voting rights, we need to protect women, 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:06.320 we need to protect lgbtqp bull and instead Democrats are 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:12.560 deciding right now to do absolutely fucking nothing. Coming up next, friends, 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:18.000 is my conversation with Crystal little John talking about reproductive 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:22.359 rights and where she thinks that things are headed. It 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:30.919 ain't great, so stay tuned, folks. I am so happy 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.159 to be joined on woke f Daily for the first 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:38.320 time by doctor Crystal E. Little John, who is the 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.040 author of the new book Just Get on the Pill. 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.120 I want to just get on the pill, the uneven 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:52.920 burden of reproductive politics, and you're also an assistant professor 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.880 of sociology at the University of Oregon. We are living 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:02.480 in some crazy times right now as it as we 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:07.199 look at reproductive rights, as we look at the fact 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:12.600 that something that we thought was cemented Rov Wade is not, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.199 and it's essentially what Republicans have been waiting for the 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.560 last thirty years to reverse, and they are finally in 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.560 a position to do so. What was your reaction to 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:30.560 this week's position by a federal judge in Texas to 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:35.760 put a halt to what they referred to as a significant, 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.840 significant healthcare concern to women, to put a stop to 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:44.320 this band. I was absolutely elated. I think we know 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.480 how much people need abortion, we know how important abortion 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:52.080 is as healthcare for people who get pregnant in this country. 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.760 We know that this band shouldn't have happened in the 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:59.680 first place, and so I felt incredibly grateful and elated 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.760 that this is the news that I could go to 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.960 sleep too last night. And I'm delighted to be able 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:09.040 to talk with you about things today. You know, So 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:13.240 for me, I will say this, I am not thrilled 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.920 by what is happening with the Texas judge. The only 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.920 reason I say that is because the decision is going 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.399 to be kicked to the Fifth Circuit. The decision is 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.040 going to make its way up to the Supreme Court. 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.640 The Fifth Circuit is stacked with Trump and Mitch McConnell appointees, 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.080 as is the Supreme Court. So what is your hope 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:39.880 in terms of what this temporary hold will do in 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:44.960 terms of galvanizing people to recognize that we are at risk, 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.160 that those that are able to birth are at risk 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.200 right now, and that this is just a pause on 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:57.159 this longer horror show. I am hopeful that this is 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:01.400 the moment that people realize that needs to be action. 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:03.960 For folks that have not been on the front lines 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:06.760 trying to be involved, I hope that they don't take 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.360 this as a signal that they can slow down, that 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:13.639 they can continue to not be active if they're if 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.840 they're not doing things. I think that people involved in 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:22.000 trying to agitate recognize that this action has been needed 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.560 for a long time, because as you've as you mentioned, 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:29.040 this is not new. These assaults are not new. Their 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:33.600 folks are just trying to find different ways to continue 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.240 to erode people's reproductive rights and abortion rights. And so 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.920 my hope is that this signals to people that there 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.880 is something to be done, that folks who have not 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:48.240 been active realize that they have a role to play 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:52.600 in getting elected representatives to hear their voices, to hear 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:54.959 the voices of people that are out there on the 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:59.840 streets marching for protection of people's rights. And I think 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:02.960 most of all, I just hope that it doesn't signal 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:06.400 to people that it's okay to slow down. I think, 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.879 as you mentioned, to recognize that this is a pause 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.880 is crucial, but to understand that we need to keep 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:16.280 fighting and we need to be out there making sure 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.400 that something happens. This is not the time to slow down. 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.560 It's the time to wake up and to make sure 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:26.760 that if folks have been complacent and have been feeling 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.240 like other people are out there doing the work, that 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:31.720 they recognize that we all have a role to play. 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.800 You know, you bring up the marches. Last weekend, we 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:40.200 saw right over six hundred marches happen across the country 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.240 in Washington, d C. In New York City and other areas, 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:48.840 with you know, thousands of women and allies getting out 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:55.000 into the streets to protest against Texas against this distinct 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:58.600 move by the Supreme Court, because not moving was their 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.639 move right like intervening was the biggest, you know, show 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:04.879 of their hand and the direction that this is going 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:10.320 to add. How effective, though, do you think that getting 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.440 into the streets is at this moment when we know 0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:18.119 that the decisions are being made in the courts. I think, 0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:22.639 as you're I absolutely agree with you that we don't 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.879 have as much power obviously over what's going on in 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.600 the courts. We have little to do with that. But 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:31.159 I do think that that civil action is crucial. I 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:35.679 think that it's it's crucial that people know that folks 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.399 in the United States are not going to be complacent. 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:41.600 We're not going to sit back while people's rights are 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.520 being violated. And I think we can see in the 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.960 history of our country and the history of civil action 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.640 in this country that even as the power has resided 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.720 in the courts, people being out there and marching for 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.439 their rights, marching for their freedom, marching for the freedom 0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.840 of others. When we talk about allies, that has been 0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:04.720 instrumental in signaling right, in communicating the social discourse that's 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.879 out there that suggests that people will not be okay 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.119 with with having their rights violated. And I think even 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:14.520 though we know that the action has to take place 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:18.760 at the courts, I think courts recognizing where people stand 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:26.320 is incredibly important for understanding what the what the people want, 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.919 and what people are going to be willing to stand for. 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.520 You know, um in your piece in the Time magazine, 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:37.040 piece which you know coincides with your book, Just Get 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.320 on the Pill, The uneven Burden of reproductive politics. Your 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.920 time piece in Time magazine was why access to birth 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:47.479 control is no substitute for abortion rights. Talk to us 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.760 about that, because that seems to be right the fault, 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:56.480 the failsafe. It's once again putting the burden right back 0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:00.199 on women um or back on people that are able 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.719 to give birth to say, well, it's your responsibility to 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:07.399 get an IUD or to be on a pill every 0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:11.879 single day and never miss it. Talk to us about 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:16.480 why this cannot be a substitute and also why there 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:21.600 are why large swaths of people are not on birth control. 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:27.840 People absolutely need act to both abortion and contraception. That's 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:32.320 full stop. For I think what challenges with for me 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.600 as a researcher was seeing calls for people who get 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.600 pregnant to get on prescription birth control. When we first 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:43.200 heard news of the Supreme Court not dreading and I 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.600 immediately a lot about the women I talked to in 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.719 my book. I immediately thought about the research that exists 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:52.640 showing the challenges that people who can conregnant and give 0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:56.119 birth have using prescription birth control methods. And I think 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.160 it's really important that we keep in mind the needs 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.720 of people acts see abortion, and those needs are to 0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:07.600 have abortion available, to have prescription birth control available to them. 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:11.840 We can't have a reproductive freedom without having both of 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.439 those vital healthcare services available for people. And so when 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.040 it comes to reasons why people don't use don't use 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.760 prescription birth control, so we're talking about methods like the pill, 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:24.960 the IUD, the implant, there are lots of reasons why 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.720 they don't. My research shows that dissatisfaction with prescription birth 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:33.400 control methods is rampant with use of the methods, for 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:37.640 reasons of side effects, for reasons of how accessing the methods. 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.240 One of the things that is really important to keep 0:28:40.240 --> 0:28:44.280 in mind is that the average person who can get 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.520 pregnant is looking at trying to prevent pregnancy for upwards 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.000 to thirty years. So when you're talking about trying to 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:55.840 for over thirty years, obviously or gonne birth prescription birth 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:57.880 control to do that, but they're also going to need 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.560 abortion to do that. And when you have these calls 0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:04.920 for people to get on in birth control, it is 0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:09.840 not based in considering people's needs around abortion access. It 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.160 is based in this gendered understanding that people who can 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.840 get pregnant are the ones who need to be doing 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:21.000