WEBVTT - Here's To You, Dear Listeners: 2023 Q&A 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.199 Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff, 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:09.280 your podcast where we answer listener questions. That's what we 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:13.240 do every week. No, that's this week, this week, new year, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.720 new format for one day. That's Sophie, Sophie, how are 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:22.280 you so? He's the producer, kind of like the producers 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.280 the play. I think I've already made this joke actually 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.600 on this show. It's okay, it's it's a new year, 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:35.840 doesn't count. You can recite all your material from last year. Hey, okay, 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.760 so what we're gonna do today because it's today's a 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.919 half week because there was a holiday that you might 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.559 have heard about called the twelve Days of Christmas or 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:48.440 whatever the funk I don't know. Yeah, that's it. Today 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:50.879 we're going to be answering your questions. The star of 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.640 the show is you, dear listener, at least those of 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.000 you who sent us Twitter and Instagram questions in the 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.600 past twenty four hours. Well, our past twenty four hours 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.280 were forty eight hours ago to twenty four hours ago. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.160 Time as time is not real. It is not real, 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.520 as evidenced by the fact that is currently three years long. 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:18.160 It's certainly it certainly is. I guess so good used. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.920 People are like, oh, yeah, during the pandemic, and I'm like, what, 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.720 We're still in the fucking pandemic. We are, we are, 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.520 We're not in the pandemic. We've always been in the pandemic. 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:36.759 We certainly are before time. Is there an illusion? Well, Margaret, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.520 let's get this out of the way. Okay, what for 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:45.720 you defines a cool person? Margaret Killjoy? Ah, I would 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.880 say someone who fights against bad stuff, even if they 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.240 do it imperfectly. That's how I pick my guests, not 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.960 my guests, well that too, some globle. That's how I 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.200 pick my subjects, as people who fight against the bad 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:59.440 things in the best way that they that they can. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.040 And I guess I would also say that it's like 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.240 someone who does what's right rather than what's safe. I 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.720 think that's like the kind of thing that we can 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.679 all on some level aspire to, which doesn't mean that 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.120 danger for the sake of danger is what's right, but 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.519 that we should actually act to stop bad things because 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.280 there's bad things. I don't know if you knew about that, Sophie, No, 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:24.560 I never heard of that. All sunshine and snowflake, Yeah, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.120 snowflakes like snow because snow is nice. It wasn't a 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:31.400 reference to the stupid. Not everything's cultural war, Sophie. Not 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:37.000 everything's culture where then you name me Sophie. Yeah, well 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.280 I don't know what that is, because I don't know 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:43.560 what a bad thing is. So okay, all right, magpie, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.720 let's start with a a fun one. Somebody says, my 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.720 breakfast lately has been a whole potato with salt grow 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.880 or against, And I mean, I know how you're going 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.760 to answer this. There's only one right answer to this. Yes, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.800 basically pro. I mean, it is a fair amount of work. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.040 I guess if you're like microwaving it, it's a little 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:10.200 bit faster, but like a whole potato, start the day off, right, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:15.080 Let's season that ship. Yeah, maybe get some protein in 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:20.200 there somehow, but I don't stress about it. It was perfect, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.400 nothing wrong with it. If you could interview any of 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.840 the cool people you've talked about so far, who would 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.359 it be. I think I would interview Louise Michelle. I'm 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.800 like surprised you didn't say I'm a Goldman. I know, okay, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.080 so like I would have thought I'm a goldman, but 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.240 I'm a Goldman. I feel like I like understand a 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.560 little bit more, maybe because it's like that's who everyone 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.160 I know talks about. I'm a Goldman, you know, did 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.200 all this for people who miss these episodes. I'm a 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:50.160 Goldman was early twentieth century, like nineteenth century, um anarchist 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.720 orator who did all kinds of amazing stuff like fight 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.320 for birth control and travel around the world and do 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.200 all this amazing stuff. Um. But Louise Michelle was a 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.080 kind of a little bit her predecessor, the like people 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.400 called her, like sort of the anarchist none of the 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.800 Paris Commune and the time after the Paris Commune, and 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.120 and I just feel like she would have like so 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.200 much more to say about the part of history that 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.240 I don't understand as much about like this, like this 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.640 formation of all of these leftist ideologies that later end 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.000 up impacting the twentieth century so dramatically. And also I 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.719 just want to know whether she was gay or ace. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.920 Like she was either gay or ace, and either way 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.720 that's fucking cool with me. But I just want to know. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.039 I want to know which fair for me. For me, 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.320 it would be the fucking Bobby you got, I know, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.800 are you thinking, how does that math that up? It 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:45.360 doesn't and that's okay. Yeah, it would be the last 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.400 interview you ever do unless you get it just right. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.640 Unless you get it just right, I just think the 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.599 supernatural of it all would be so fun. Yeah. Oh, 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.880 this is a great question, Margaret. What authors inspired you 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.960 to start writing yourself? Okay, So there's like two things 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.599 it inspire me to write. One is whenever I read 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.880 really shitty books published by mainstream presses and I'm like, oh, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.440 I could do better than that, right, um, Like, do 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.159 you ever have that you like listen to? I don't know, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.960 for you, maybe be like you listen to a podcast 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.800 and you're like, well, I I could do better that. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:20.680 Oh oh yes. And then also for me, it's like 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.400 whenever I like read fantasy books as a kid, I 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.000 was like, I will write these I will write stories, 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.760 I will do these things I can't I I like 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.159 struggle to engage in the media and then not want 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.599 to make that media myself. So there's less specifically, But 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.360 I guess if I were to say who who influenced 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.719 me the most as a as a young kid and 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.520 therefore sort of set me off to go be a writer, 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.479 I would say to more peers would be like number 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.159 one and then um and then throughout middle school it 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:52.640 probably would have been Tolkien and Heinland just like complicated 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.960 feels on the Highland one. But whatever, He's an interesting 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:57.600 writer and I read way too much of him as 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:02.279 a teenager. Yeah, I mean, I definitely have that with 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:05.080 in terms of like podcasting, where it's like you see 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.920 somebody cover a story and you're like, what you missed this, this, this, 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.880 and this aspect of it, Like what if you in 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.400 a total three sixty of that story and actually got 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.920 It's it's in terms of that, for sure. You see 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.760 what you're saying. Wait, I have a question for you, Sophie, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.440 shut up, what is it? I want to hear more 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:28.120 about Sophie's story. What about sophie story? Are we doing 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.800 his Sophie choicey reference isn't happening? Oh I don't know what. 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.120 I don't know Sophie's choices. Oh my god, that's so cool. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.359 Oh my god, that's great. Okay cool. I've got that 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.640 joke my entire life and I'm not going to explain 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.480 it and you'll never know because in my mind, this 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.680 is the opposite of Sophie's choice. This is my choice. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.040 I'm asking the question, Now, what's your question? What do 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.120 you want to know? Margaret? Well, the question that someone 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.280 asked is I want to hear more about Sophie's story. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:54.240 But I guess it's like the question of I think 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.279 a lot of people are curious about Cool Zone Media 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.200 and about how it kind of like came to be, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.919 and like sort of what your engagement is as podcast 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.520 mom to all of these amazing shows as and like, 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.679 I don't know how it feels to be podcast mom. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.320 So Jack O'Brien and The Daily z I Geist stole me. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.360 I was working. I was working in the tech industry, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.640 very unhappy working tech industry. But the tech company that 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.920 I worked for, like I bought a podcast company and 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:28.200 that some weird connection that brought Jack O'Brien over. And 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.960 then Jack and I like I was assigned to help 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.000 him with like his health insurance stuff, which is very 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.120 very and then Jack and I got along so well 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.840 that he stole me and brought me over to the 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:47.040 podcast out of things, and then I started. I was 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.160 just supposed to like project managed stuff, and then immediately 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.840 like two weeks and I was like producing shows. And 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:58.400 then this person was pitching a podcast while running through 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:04.360 a wind tunnel about how um and like and like 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.680 heavy breathing, like the yelling about how they thought it 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.800 would be cool to do a story about bad people, 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.600 a podcast about bad people, and like how it's super interesting. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.720 And I was like, hmm, that's my guy. And that's 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.440 how Robert and I got matched up, because Robert was 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.040 on the phone pitching behind the bastards and I was like, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.440 I like that, and then I got to and then 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.560 Robert and I started working together, and we did a 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.480 bunch of different shows and partnered on a bunch of 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:35.520 different projects, and then we decided to make Cool Zone Media. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:40.079 And I guess if we're doing weird titles. My title's 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.880 head of creative But I basically managed all logistics that 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:48.120 go into Cool Zone Media and m our middle person 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.560 between us and I Heart Radio. I executive managed produced 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.080 every single one of our shows. I worked with each 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:03.000 each talent, each host, each writer, each researcher, and like 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.680 we decide most of our stuff like decision by committee 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.480 style on like what we want to do and who 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.800 we want to work with. UM. So it's not not 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.559 definitely not like like a well, I like this type environment, 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.520 but we create shows together and work with people like 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:25.840 Margaret and make things. Answer the question, yeah, I think so, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.079 and it also makes me feel better about the time 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:34.160 I pitched you a show by voice memo at seven 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:42.720 in the morning my time. Yeah, and after it still 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.400 might happen, and we're not going to tell you what 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.160 it is. Dear dear listener, you all get to know, 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.480 but just say you know, not the weirdest way I've 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.280 received a pitch, and not the weirdest pitch I've received. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.120 So yeah, I do a lot of my thinking while 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:03.280 driving or walking, and yeah, left long voice memos. Voice 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:08.640 memos are my preferred method of receiving information. So yeah, 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:13.200 I'm on board. Uh, let's see, um, let's stick Let's 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:14.800 stick on that for a second, because I feel like 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.200 you get this question a lot, Margaret and I and 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.480 I think somebody asked. I think I understand the personal 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.360 compromise of working for iHeart Media, but do you feel 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.000 how do you feel about it personally? Um, this is 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.400 a question that all of us could ask quite often, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.160 but I don't think you've ever answered it. Yeah, Yeah, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:37.560 I mean, okay, So I now freelance for the largest 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:39.959 I don't know if this is actually true. It seems 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.920 like the largest media conglomerate in world history or something. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.719 I don't know about that, but it's the number one 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.400 podcast It like has the number one podcast reach in 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.280 the world. Okay, And so I worked for this giant corporation, 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.480 and twenty year old me would be like pretty upset 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.600 that I do this. But I had been at radical 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.240 politics for one year when I was twenty years old, 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.520 and now I've been at it for twenty one years, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.040 and I think I have a better handle on like 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:12.400 my own understanding of the world and how to engage 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.839 in it as you know, someone who's an anarchist or 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.560 politically radical or whatever. And so for me, some of 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.199 the things are that romanticizing poverty and obscurity was like 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.520 a losing move that was way too prevalent in the 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.440 scenes that I was part of in the early odds. 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.640 And I don't think it's bad to romanticize the stuff 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.200 that you have to deal with when you have no 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:36.800 money or when you like, it's okay to be like, Okay, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.959 I'm gonna find beauty in this thing that I'm struggling with, right, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.880 But to do it for its own sakes is nonsensical. 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:47.400 And then in terms of working for a corporation, where 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.040 are our aims are at odds with each other, that's 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.679 going to happen. That is going to happen in order 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.120 to have as as broad of an influence on culture 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.880 as we possibly can. And if we can do that 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.360 watering down our message, we should. And I think that 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.559 that's actually something that I'm very grateful for Cool Zone 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.240 Media to have done, is lay the the groundwork for 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:12.719 how I could. At no point has anyone been like, oh, 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:17.079 you shouldn't cover that, or don't talk about things this way. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.520 You know. The only decisions that we make is how 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.160 to talk about things in order to be understood by 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.559 as many people as possible, because that is my goal 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.800 is to be understood by as many people as possible. 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:38.000 So it's complicated, but it's not that complicated. It's not. Yeah, 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.720 it doesn't keep me up at night. And when Robert 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.240 and I started off with with our shows, we were 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.320 we were how Stuff Works. We were a company called 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.640 Hastaff Works, which is like a a small podcast company 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:54.040 out of out of Atlanta, and that got bought by 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:59.760 I Heart Radio and essentially that team became the podcast department, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.840 And so the people that we work with are very 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.959 much creative and like and and at least the people 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:14.760 that I interact with are are are not what I 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.679 think when you think of like when you think of 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.839 like corporate people, they're definitely or like or like people 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.480 that are people that, like, we would not want to 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.760 get a drink with or anything of that nature. Those 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.440 are not the people that like we interact with. And 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.960 I very much have had creative autonomy to put out 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.080 the content we want to do. I've never actually had 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.640 had somebody say you can't talk about that in any 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.680 of my shows, even behind the Bastards, you can't talk 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.000 about that, or um, hey maybe don't mention that person 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.440 or any type of censorship, which is which is interesting. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.920 Um and like yeah, the ad stuff fucking sucks. The 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.440 ad stuff sucking sucks, and like there is totally a 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.800 you know, there's a huge weight of being attached to this, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:04.360 to this thing. But yeah, whenever I like cools, the 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.079 media is so different, we run we run our teams 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:12.800 so differently than like anyone else that it's just yeah, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.839 you would think you would think it would impact us 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.640 more than it does, if that makes sense, And I 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.280 wholeheartedly agree with your answer. I think about, um, I 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:29.200 really like the show and or and Loves and or Yeah, 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.240 I mean it's it's so good. And one of the 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.760 things that came up is, you know, people are like, well, 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:39.160 how did Disney, this not particularly traditionally far left organization 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.320 or whatever, put out this like clearly revolutionary show, right 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:47.080 that clearly the writers have more knowledge and care for 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.320 revolutionary movements than the way that revolution is usually depicted 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.520 in mainstream media, And so people are like, wow, Disney 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.440 made this as if like Disney the company was like, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.480 what are we trying to say? And the thing that 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.520 I've come to realize as I work in media is 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:09.480 that writers and creators work within these infrastructures and make 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.800 what they can within those infrastructures, And so I feel 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.120 less like it was like Disney being like this is 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.960 what we want to say, as much as creative creators 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.840 who are like, this is what we want to say, Well, Disney, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.760 let us get away with it. And in this case, 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.720 the answer was, yes, this is not always the case, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.240 but it's not. I think people have this like conception 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:33.040 of like monolithic control of corporations and things like that, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.440 and Um, and I think that the corporations want to 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.160 us to believe that as well, but it's not it's 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.720 not always the case. I don't know any insider information 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.680 about and or whatever. That's just my like, yeah, and 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.160 I and like Robert and I talk about this all 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.520 the time. It's so cool that we're able to pay 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:54.160 our friends. Yeah, and like and like and like talk 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.120 about ship that actually fucking matters. And like, if somebody 0:15:58.160 --> 0:15:59.960 was telling us like we couldn't talk about the ship, 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.640 we didn't matter, and we weren't able to like equitably 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:07.080 play our people and uh, you know, continuously be able 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:12.280 to like bring on people like Margaret and like pay 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:17.080 our guests and things like that. You know, there would 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.760 be a different conversation happening here like where we would 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.160 that that would not be the case, But thus far 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.960 we haven't run into that type of a situation. On 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:30.320 another note, Um, what kind of bear is the best? Well, 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.480 the best bear is a black bear, because okay, we'll 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:39.440 hear me out. Okay, it's like a murder raccoon. Oh well, 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.560 you know, or at least a raccoon with the potential 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.160 for murder. You're not wrong. I would say the red 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.240 panda because that looks like that's what my dog looks like. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.800 Oh yeah, that's actually a really good point. Um. Speaking 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.320 of good points, it's time for our capitalism. Break capitalism. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.600 That's the thing that's destroying the planet. You can participate 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:08.920 and we are back that one. Um. Okay, Margaret, I'm 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.800 gonna find you a a a solid question. Oh, this 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.400 is a good one. This is a very good question. Okay, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.760 if you could pick one cool person to have a 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.359 movie or show made of their exploits, which would you 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:29.960 choose and why? I would pick Sophie Lyons, the least 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.439 political person that we've had on this show, because I 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.399 like heist movies and she was the queen of the 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.119 underworld of nineteenth century America. She just robbed a lot 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.840 of banks, so she's cool. I would totally watch the 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.560 ship out of a movie about Sophie Lions. Also, a 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.359 ton of these people also have movies about them, Like 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:53.119 even when you're like, yeah, there's so many, even the 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.440 things that are like seem kind of more obscure. Okay, 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:59.399 what would you pick? Um? I'm still I still just 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:04.199 really want more, Bobby Agata, I really want more, like 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.359 I feel like I feel like there's been stuff done, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.639 but I feel like they haven't really like like what 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.119 like like when we were talking about it earlier, we're like, 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.120 we're I think they could. I just think it could 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.480 be done better and I think it would be done properly. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.760 And I and I, yeah, God, just gotta get on 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.280 the horn with that. Yeah, that Disney. I know. I 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.399 know this whole Actually the entire subtext. Sophie and I 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.679 were like, all right, we're going to use this episode 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:34.200 to pivot the pitch to convinced to get hired by Disney. Yes, 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:38.000 And that's essentially And I totally didn't talk literal ship 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:43.119 on Walt Disney and his Nazi ties and um period 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.240 while we're on it. Fun that guy what eras of histories. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.800 Cool people, such cool stuff deserve wider attention, and they've 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:55.159 generally received Oh yeah, this is I'm reading what you 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.760 wrote here and that is the perfect Yeah. So it's 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.520 just people the sausage just made With this episode. We 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.680 we compiled all the questions into a list and then 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.960 I like wrote some of my notes on some of them. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.439 But now actually I'm almost like worse at answering off 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:12.760 the top of my head, the ones that I wrote 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.399 notes for, because I don't know where in the document 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:19.399 we are. I would say that the the the people 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.840 who weren't the royalty of every period ever, Like it's 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.679 so easy to find the fucking books about the presidents 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.199 and the princes and ship like that, and it's just 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.600 so much harder to find information about everyone else. And 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.440 I don't know about you, Sophie, but I am not 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:42.960 currently a monarch. I don't know if that's true. Margaret. No, well, 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:48.360 thanks one of my queen of What do you queen of? 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.240 What do you queen of? Oh? My god, how do 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.400 we even answer that? Uh? The queen of cool people 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.560 who did cool stuff? You're the queen of cool. Oh 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:03.240 that's badass. Alright, alright, keep that, keep that. Oh you know, 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:08.040 let's say, let's answer this one. What are your realistic 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.399 predictions for the next ten years or so is going 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:14.600 to go in America? Politically speaking? Let's let's bomb everyone 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.400 out just lightly, Okay. I will say that the one 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.000 thing I have been consistently correct about is that I'm 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:27.280 always wrong, and so is everyone else. Like I keep thinking, 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.119 I know how ship's gonna go, and it's usually not 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:35.840 how Ship's gonna go. So with that in mind, I 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.720 think that we are in a lot of trouble. I 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:44.359 think that we probably won't have a outright civil war 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:49.280 in the next ten years. I think that the problem 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:54.320 the two nested problems that we're facing. Well, there's so 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.359 many other problems too, but two of the big problems 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.800 we're facing the US right now. One is rising fascism 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.880 and one is uh climate change. Right and I think 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:06.320 that the rising fascism problem is not solved, but I 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.840 think it's on its back leg. And I don't think 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:12.680 it's like specifically what's going to cause the most immediate 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.560 problems to the most immediate people in the very near future. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:21.720 I could be wrong. I think that by ten years 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.840 from now, the conversations about climate change will have fundamentally 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.280 changed the way that our world works and looks. I 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:34.760 think that we are exiting the period where people can 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.000 have their heads in the sand. And I think that 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:43.080 that will trigger a wave of fascism that will cause 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.960 major problems. And I think that will have two major 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.040 camps about how we deal with climate change. And one 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.000 is that I've got mine fuck you camp, which I'm 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:53.800 going to call the Nazis, and one is, though, we 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:55.439 need to figure out how to deal with this together 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.159 camp which I will call the not nazis great nickname, 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.160 and I think that that will start becoming very true 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.679 about ten years from now. That's my personal guest, Sophie, 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:06.880 what do you got? I think if the left doesn't 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.480 stop in fighting, we're fucked. I think it's the left 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:14.040 I don't stop fucking in fighting, were absolutely fucked. I 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.560 think that the not that it is the most important thing, 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.640 but I think that the election, whoever wins that will 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:25.600 probably not that I align with either the Democrats or 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.040 the definitely don't ruin, but the Probican Party about a 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.560 lot of the Democratic Party also, whoever wins that will 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:36.879 will keep power for a really long time. Yeah. I 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.920 feel like we've had a lot of eight years, eight years, 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.280 eight years, eight years, like passing it back and forth, 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.640 and I think that that, uh, I don't think that's 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:52.000 necessarily going to happen moving forward. There was a tweet 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:53.840 several years ago, a New Year's Eve tweets so it's 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:58.080 appropriate um by my friend mc soul he's a musician 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.199 and a podcaster, and it basically was like, my New 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.080 Year's resolution is to de escalate all conflict that isn't 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:08.360 with the far right, And that's the energy I think 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.320 that we need to go into this with. Is that, 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:15.720 like at a certain level, I think of like, if 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.760 I don't think someone's going to be trying to shoot 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:21.160 me for being trans five years from now, I want 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.919