Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,
Speaker 1: your podcast where we answer listener questions. That's what we
Speaker 1: do every week. No, that's this week, this week, new year,
Speaker 1: new format for one day. That's Sophie, Sophie, how are
Speaker 1: you so? He's the producer, kind of like the producers
Speaker 1: the play. I think I've already made this joke actually
Speaker 1: on this show. It's okay, it's it's a new year,
Speaker 1: doesn't count. You can recite all your material from last year. Hey, okay,
Speaker 1: so what we're gonna do today because it's today's a
Speaker 1: half week because there was a holiday that you might
Speaker 1: have heard about called the twelve Days of Christmas or
Speaker 1: whatever the funk I don't know. Yeah, that's it. Today
Speaker 1: we're going to be answering your questions. The star of
Speaker 1: the show is you, dear listener, at least those of
Speaker 1: you who sent us Twitter and Instagram questions in the
Speaker 1: past twenty four hours. Well, our past twenty four hours
Speaker 1: were forty eight hours ago to twenty four hours ago.
Speaker 1: Time as time is not real. It is not real,
Speaker 1: as evidenced by the fact that is currently three years long.
Speaker 1: It's certainly it certainly is. I guess so good used.
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, yeah, during the pandemic, and I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: We're still in the fucking pandemic. We are, we are,
Speaker 1: We're not in the pandemic. We've always been in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: We certainly are before time. Is there an illusion? Well, Margaret,
Speaker 1: let's get this out of the way. Okay, what for
Speaker 1: you defines a cool person? Margaret Killjoy? Ah, I would
Speaker 1: say someone who fights against bad stuff, even if they
Speaker 1: do it imperfectly. That's how I pick my guests, not
Speaker 1: my guests, well that too, some globle. That's how I
Speaker 1: pick my subjects, as people who fight against the bad
Speaker 1: things in the best way that they that they can.
Speaker 1: And I guess I would also say that it's like
Speaker 1: someone who does what's right rather than what's safe. I
Speaker 1: think that's like the kind of thing that we can
Speaker 1: all on some level aspire to, which doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: danger for the sake of danger is what's right, but
Speaker 1: that we should actually act to stop bad things because
Speaker 1: there's bad things. I don't know if you knew about that, Sophie, No,
Speaker 1: I never heard of that. All sunshine and snowflake, Yeah,
Speaker 1: snowflakes like snow because snow is nice. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: reference to the stupid. Not everything's cultural war, Sophie. Not
Speaker 1: everything's culture where then you name me Sophie. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, because I don't know
Speaker 1: what a bad thing is. So okay, all right, magpie,
Speaker 1: let's start with a a fun one. Somebody says, my
Speaker 1: breakfast lately has been a whole potato with salt grow
Speaker 1: or against, And I mean, I know how you're going
Speaker 1: to answer this. There's only one right answer to this. Yes,
Speaker 1: basically pro. I mean, it is a fair amount of work.
Speaker 1: I guess if you're like microwaving it, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit faster, but like a whole potato, start the day off, right,
Speaker 1: Let's season that ship. Yeah, maybe get some protein in
Speaker 1: there somehow, but I don't stress about it. It was perfect,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. If you could interview any of
Speaker 1: the cool people you've talked about so far, who would
Speaker 1: it be. I think I would interview Louise Michelle. I'm
Speaker 1: like surprised you didn't say I'm a Goldman. I know, okay,
Speaker 1: so like I would have thought I'm a goldman, but
Speaker 1: I'm a Goldman. I feel like I like understand a
Speaker 1: little bit more, maybe because it's like that's who everyone
Speaker 1: I know talks about. I'm a Goldman, you know, did
Speaker 1: all this for people who miss these episodes. I'm a
Speaker 1: Goldman was early twentieth century, like nineteenth century, um anarchist
Speaker 1: orator who did all kinds of amazing stuff like fight
Speaker 1: for birth control and travel around the world and do
Speaker 1: all this amazing stuff. Um. But Louise Michelle was a
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit her predecessor, the like people
Speaker 1: called her, like sort of the anarchist none of the
Speaker 1: Paris Commune and the time after the Paris Commune, and
Speaker 1: and I just feel like she would have like so
Speaker 1: much more to say about the part of history that
Speaker 1: I don't understand as much about like this, like this
Speaker 1: formation of all of these leftist ideologies that later end
Speaker 1: up impacting the twentieth century so dramatically. And also I
Speaker 1: just want to know whether she was gay or ace.
Speaker 1: Like she was either gay or ace, and either way
Speaker 1: that's fucking cool with me. But I just want to know.
Speaker 1: I want to know which fair for me. For me,
Speaker 1: it would be the fucking Bobby you got, I know,
Speaker 1: are you thinking, how does that math that up? It
Speaker 1: doesn't and that's okay. Yeah, it would be the last
Speaker 1: interview you ever do unless you get it just right.
Speaker 1: Unless you get it just right, I just think the
Speaker 1: supernatural of it all would be so fun. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is a great question, Margaret. What authors inspired you
Speaker 1: to start writing yourself? Okay, So there's like two things
Speaker 1: it inspire me to write. One is whenever I read
Speaker 1: really shitty books published by mainstream presses and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I could do better than that, right, um, Like, do
Speaker 1: you ever have that you like listen to? I don't know,
Speaker 1: for you, maybe be like you listen to a podcast
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, I I could do better that.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yes. And then also for me, it's like
Speaker 1: whenever I like read fantasy books as a kid, I
Speaker 1: was like, I will write these I will write stories,
Speaker 1: I will do these things I can't I I like
Speaker 1: struggle to engage in the media and then not want
Speaker 1: to make that media myself. So there's less specifically, But
Speaker 1: I guess if I were to say who who influenced
Speaker 1: me the most as a as a young kid and
Speaker 1: therefore sort of set me off to go be a writer,
Speaker 1: I would say to more peers would be like number
Speaker 1: one and then um and then throughout middle school it
Speaker 1: probably would have been Tolkien and Heinland just like complicated
Speaker 1: feels on the Highland one. But whatever, He's an interesting
Speaker 1: writer and I read way too much of him as
Speaker 1: a teenager. Yeah, I mean, I definitely have that with
Speaker 1: in terms of like podcasting, where it's like you see
Speaker 1: somebody cover a story and you're like, what you missed this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and this aspect of it, Like what if you in
Speaker 1: a total three sixty of that story and actually got
Speaker 1: It's it's in terms of that, for sure. You see
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Wait, I have a question for you, Sophie,
Speaker 1: shut up, what is it? I want to hear more
Speaker 1: about Sophie's story. What about sophie story? Are we doing
Speaker 1: his Sophie choicey reference isn't happening? Oh I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know Sophie's choices. Oh my god, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's great. Okay cool. I've got that
Speaker 1: joke my entire life and I'm not going to explain
Speaker 1: it and you'll never know because in my mind, this
Speaker 1: is the opposite of Sophie's choice. This is my choice.
Speaker 1: I'm asking the question, Now, what's your question? What do
Speaker 1: you want to know? Margaret? Well, the question that someone
Speaker 1: asked is I want to hear more about Sophie's story.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's like the question of I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people are curious about Cool Zone Media
Speaker 1: and about how it kind of like came to be,
Speaker 1: and like sort of what your engagement is as podcast
Speaker 1: mom to all of these amazing shows as and like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how it feels to be podcast mom.
Speaker 1: So Jack O'Brien and The Daily z I Geist stole me.
Speaker 1: I was working. I was working in the tech industry,
Speaker 1: very unhappy working tech industry. But the tech company that
Speaker 1: I worked for, like I bought a podcast company and
Speaker 1: that some weird connection that brought Jack O'Brien over. And
Speaker 1: then Jack and I like I was assigned to help
Speaker 1: him with like his health insurance stuff, which is very
Speaker 1: very and then Jack and I got along so well
Speaker 1: that he stole me and brought me over to the
Speaker 1: podcast out of things, and then I started. I was
Speaker 1: just supposed to like project managed stuff, and then immediately
Speaker 1: like two weeks and I was like producing shows. And
Speaker 1: then this person was pitching a podcast while running through
Speaker 1: a wind tunnel about how um and like and like
Speaker 1: heavy breathing, like the yelling about how they thought it
Speaker 1: would be cool to do a story about bad people,
Speaker 1: a podcast about bad people, and like how it's super interesting.
Speaker 1: And I was like, hmm, that's my guy. And that's
Speaker 1: how Robert and I got matched up, because Robert was
Speaker 1: on the phone pitching behind the bastards and I was like,
Speaker 1: I like that, and then I got to and then
Speaker 1: Robert and I started working together, and we did a
Speaker 1: bunch of different shows and partnered on a bunch of
Speaker 1: different projects, and then we decided to make Cool Zone Media.
Speaker 1: And I guess if we're doing weird titles. My title's
Speaker 1: head of creative But I basically managed all logistics that
Speaker 1: go into Cool Zone Media and m our middle person
Speaker 1: between us and I Heart Radio. I executive managed produced
Speaker 1: every single one of our shows. I worked with each
Speaker 1: each talent, each host, each writer, each researcher, and like
Speaker 1: we decide most of our stuff like decision by committee
Speaker 1: style on like what we want to do and who
Speaker 1: we want to work with. UM. So it's not not
Speaker 1: definitely not like like a well, I like this type environment,
Speaker 1: but we create shows together and work with people like
Speaker 1: Margaret and make things. Answer the question, yeah, I think so,
Speaker 1: and it also makes me feel better about the time
Speaker 1: I pitched you a show by voice memo at seven
Speaker 1: in the morning my time. Yeah, and after it still
Speaker 1: might happen, and we're not going to tell you what
Speaker 1: it is. Dear dear listener, you all get to know,
Speaker 1: but just say you know, not the weirdest way I've
Speaker 1: received a pitch, and not the weirdest pitch I've received.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I do a lot of my thinking while
Speaker 1: driving or walking, and yeah, left long voice memos. Voice
Speaker 1: memos are my preferred method of receiving information. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on board. Uh, let's see, um, let's stick Let's
Speaker 1: stick on that for a second, because I feel like
Speaker 1: you get this question a lot, Margaret and I and
Speaker 1: I think somebody asked. I think I understand the personal
Speaker 1: compromise of working for iHeart Media, but do you feel
Speaker 1: how do you feel about it personally? Um, this is
Speaker 1: a question that all of us could ask quite often,
Speaker 1: but I don't think you've ever answered it. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, So I now freelance for the largest
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is actually true. It seems
Speaker 1: like the largest media conglomerate in world history or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but it's the number one
Speaker 1: podcast It like has the number one podcast reach in
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, And so I worked for this giant corporation,
Speaker 1: and twenty year old me would be like pretty upset
Speaker 1: that I do this. But I had been at radical
Speaker 1: politics for one year when I was twenty years old,
Speaker 1: and now I've been at it for twenty one years,
Speaker 1: and I think I have a better handle on like
Speaker 1: my own understanding of the world and how to engage
Speaker 1: in it as you know, someone who's an anarchist or
Speaker 1: politically radical or whatever. And so for me, some of
Speaker 1: the things are that romanticizing poverty and obscurity was like
Speaker 1: a losing move that was way too prevalent in the
Speaker 1: scenes that I was part of in the early odds.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's bad to romanticize the stuff
Speaker 1: that you have to deal with when you have no
Speaker 1: money or when you like, it's okay to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find beauty in this thing that I'm struggling with, right,
Speaker 1: But to do it for its own sakes is nonsensical.
Speaker 1: And then in terms of working for a corporation, where
Speaker 1: are our aims are at odds with each other, that's
Speaker 1: going to happen. That is going to happen in order
Speaker 1: to have as as broad of an influence on culture
Speaker 1: as we possibly can. And if we can do that
Speaker 1: watering down our message, we should. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's actually something that I'm very grateful for Cool Zone
Speaker 1: Media to have done, is lay the the groundwork for
Speaker 1: how I could. At no point has anyone been like, oh,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't cover that, or don't talk about things this way.
Speaker 1: You know. The only decisions that we make is how
Speaker 1: to talk about things in order to be understood by
Speaker 1: as many people as possible, because that is my goal
Speaker 1: is to be understood by as many people as possible.
Speaker 1: So it's complicated, but it's not that complicated. It's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't keep me up at night. And when Robert
Speaker 1: and I started off with with our shows, we were
Speaker 1: we were how Stuff Works. We were a company called
Speaker 1: Hastaff Works, which is like a a small podcast company
Speaker 1: out of out of Atlanta, and that got bought by
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and essentially that team became the podcast department,
Speaker 1: And so the people that we work with are very
Speaker 1: much creative and like and and at least the people
Speaker 1: that I interact with are are are not what I
Speaker 1: think when you think of like when you think of
Speaker 1: like corporate people, they're definitely or like or like people
Speaker 1: that are people that, like, we would not want to
Speaker 1: get a drink with or anything of that nature. Those
Speaker 1: are not the people that like we interact with. And
Speaker 1: I very much have had creative autonomy to put out
Speaker 1: the content we want to do. I've never actually had
Speaker 1: had somebody say you can't talk about that in any
Speaker 1: of my shows, even behind the Bastards, you can't talk
Speaker 1: about that, or um, hey maybe don't mention that person
Speaker 1: or any type of censorship, which is which is interesting.
Speaker 1: Um and like yeah, the ad stuff fucking sucks. The
Speaker 1: ad stuff sucking sucks, and like there is totally a
Speaker 1: you know, there's a huge weight of being attached to this,
Speaker 1: to this thing. But yeah, whenever I like cools, the
Speaker 1: media is so different, we run we run our teams
Speaker 1: so differently than like anyone else that it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: you would think you would think it would impact us
Speaker 1: more than it does, if that makes sense, And I
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly agree with your answer. I think about, um, I
Speaker 1: really like the show and or and Loves and or Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's so good. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that came up is, you know, people are like, well,
Speaker 1: how did Disney, this not particularly traditionally far left organization
Speaker 1: or whatever, put out this like clearly revolutionary show, right
Speaker 1: that clearly the writers have more knowledge and care for
Speaker 1: revolutionary movements than the way that revolution is usually depicted
Speaker 1: in mainstream media, And so people are like, wow, Disney
Speaker 1: made this as if like Disney the company was like,
Speaker 1: what are we trying to say? And the thing that
Speaker 1: I've come to realize as I work in media is
Speaker 1: that writers and creators work within these infrastructures and make
Speaker 1: what they can within those infrastructures, And so I feel
Speaker 1: less like it was like Disney being like this is
Speaker 1: what we want to say, as much as creative creators
Speaker 1: who are like, this is what we want to say, Well, Disney,
Speaker 1: let us get away with it. And in this case,
Speaker 1: the answer was, yes, this is not always the case,
Speaker 1: but it's not. I think people have this like conception
Speaker 1: of like monolithic control of corporations and things like that,
Speaker 1: and Um, and I think that the corporations want to
Speaker 1: us to believe that as well, but it's not it's
Speaker 1: not always the case. I don't know any insider information
Speaker 1: about and or whatever. That's just my like, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I and like Robert and I talk about this all
Speaker 1: the time. It's so cool that we're able to pay
Speaker 1: our friends. Yeah, and like and like and like talk
Speaker 1: about ship that actually fucking matters. And like, if somebody
Speaker 1: was telling us like we couldn't talk about the ship,
Speaker 1: we didn't matter, and we weren't able to like equitably
Speaker 1: play our people and uh, you know, continuously be able
Speaker 1: to like bring on people like Margaret and like pay
Speaker 1: our guests and things like that. You know, there would
Speaker 1: be a different conversation happening here like where we would
Speaker 1: that that would not be the case, But thus far
Speaker 1: we haven't run into that type of a situation. On
Speaker 1: another note, Um, what kind of bear is the best? Well,
Speaker 1: the best bear is a black bear, because okay, we'll
Speaker 1: hear me out. Okay, it's like a murder raccoon. Oh well,
Speaker 1: you know, or at least a raccoon with the potential
Speaker 1: for murder. You're not wrong. I would say the red
Speaker 1: panda because that looks like that's what my dog looks like.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's actually a really good point. Um. Speaking
Speaker 1: of good points, it's time for our capitalism. Break capitalism.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's destroying the planet. You can participate
Speaker 1: and we are back that one. Um. Okay, Margaret, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna find you a a a solid question. Oh, this
Speaker 1: is a good one. This is a very good question. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you could pick one cool person to have a
Speaker 1: movie or show made of their exploits, which would you
Speaker 1: choose and why? I would pick Sophie Lyons, the least
Speaker 1: political person that we've had on this show, because I
Speaker 1: like heist movies and she was the queen of the
Speaker 1: underworld of nineteenth century America. She just robbed a lot
Speaker 1: of banks, so she's cool. I would totally watch the
Speaker 1: ship out of a movie about Sophie Lions. Also, a
Speaker 1: ton of these people also have movies about them, Like
Speaker 1: even when you're like, yeah, there's so many, even the
Speaker 1: things that are like seem kind of more obscure. Okay,
Speaker 1: what would you pick? Um? I'm still I still just
Speaker 1: really want more, Bobby Agata, I really want more, like
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like there's been stuff done,
Speaker 1: but I feel like they haven't really like like what
Speaker 1: like like when we were talking about it earlier, we're like,
Speaker 1: we're I think they could. I just think it could
Speaker 1: be done better and I think it would be done properly.
Speaker 1: And I and I, yeah, God, just gotta get on
Speaker 1: the horn with that. Yeah, that Disney. I know. I
Speaker 1: know this whole Actually the entire subtext. Sophie and I
Speaker 1: were like, all right, we're going to use this episode
Speaker 1: to pivot the pitch to convinced to get hired by Disney. Yes,
Speaker 1: And that's essentially And I totally didn't talk literal ship
Speaker 1: on Walt Disney and his Nazi ties and um period
Speaker 1: while we're on it. Fun that guy what eras of histories.
Speaker 1: Cool people, such cool stuff deserve wider attention, and they've
Speaker 1: generally received Oh yeah, this is I'm reading what you
Speaker 1: wrote here and that is the perfect Yeah. So it's
Speaker 1: just people the sausage just made With this episode. We
Speaker 1: we compiled all the questions into a list and then
Speaker 1: I like wrote some of my notes on some of them.
Speaker 1: But now actually I'm almost like worse at answering off
Speaker 1: the top of my head, the ones that I wrote
Speaker 1: notes for, because I don't know where in the document
Speaker 1: we are. I would say that the the the people
Speaker 1: who weren't the royalty of every period ever, Like it's
Speaker 1: so easy to find the fucking books about the presidents
Speaker 1: and the princes and ship like that, and it's just
Speaker 1: so much harder to find information about everyone else. And
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Sophie, but I am not
Speaker 1: currently a monarch. I don't know if that's true. Margaret. No, well,
Speaker 1: thanks one of my queen of What do you queen of?
Speaker 1: What do you queen of? Oh? My god, how do
Speaker 1: we even answer that? Uh? The queen of cool people
Speaker 1: who did cool stuff? You're the queen of cool. Oh
Speaker 1: that's badass. Alright, alright, keep that, keep that. Oh you know,
Speaker 1: let's say, let's answer this one. What are your realistic
Speaker 1: predictions for the next ten years or so is going
Speaker 1: to go in America? Politically speaking? Let's let's bomb everyone
Speaker 1: out just lightly, Okay. I will say that the one
Speaker 1: thing I have been consistently correct about is that I'm
Speaker 1: always wrong, and so is everyone else. Like I keep thinking,
Speaker 1: I know how ship's gonna go, and it's usually not
Speaker 1: how Ship's gonna go. So with that in mind, I
Speaker 1: think that we are in a lot of trouble. I
Speaker 1: think that we probably won't have a outright civil war
Speaker 1: in the next ten years. I think that the problem
Speaker 1: the two nested problems that we're facing. Well, there's so
Speaker 1: many other problems too, but two of the big problems
Speaker 1: we're facing the US right now. One is rising fascism
Speaker 1: and one is uh climate change. Right and I think
Speaker 1: that the rising fascism problem is not solved, but I
Speaker 1: think it's on its back leg. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's like specifically what's going to cause the most immediate
Speaker 1: problems to the most immediate people in the very near future.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I think that by ten years
Speaker 1: from now, the conversations about climate change will have fundamentally
Speaker 1: changed the way that our world works and looks. I
Speaker 1: think that we are exiting the period where people can
Speaker 1: have their heads in the sand. And I think that
Speaker 1: that will trigger a wave of fascism that will cause
Speaker 1: major problems. And I think that will have two major
Speaker 1: camps about how we deal with climate change. And one
Speaker 1: is that I've got mine fuck you camp, which I'm
Speaker 1: going to call the Nazis, and one is, though, we
Speaker 1: need to figure out how to deal with this together
Speaker 1: camp which I will call the not nazis great nickname,
Speaker 1: and I think that that will start becoming very true
Speaker 1: about ten years from now. That's my personal guest, Sophie,
Speaker 1: what do you got? I think if the left doesn't
Speaker 1: stop in fighting, we're fucked. I think it's the left
Speaker 1: I don't stop fucking in fighting, were absolutely fucked. I
Speaker 1: think that the not that it is the most important thing,
Speaker 1: but I think that the election, whoever wins that will
Speaker 1: probably not that I align with either the Democrats or
Speaker 1: the definitely don't ruin, but the Probican Party about a
Speaker 1: lot of the Democratic Party also, whoever wins that will
Speaker 1: will keep power for a really long time. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel like we've had a lot of eight years, eight years,
Speaker 1: eight years, eight years, like passing it back and forth,
Speaker 1: and I think that that, uh, I don't think that's
Speaker 1: necessarily going to happen moving forward. There was a tweet
Speaker 1: several years ago, a New Year's Eve tweets so it's
Speaker 1: appropriate um by my friend mc soul he's a musician
Speaker 1: and a podcaster, and it basically was like, my New
Speaker 1: Year's resolution is to de escalate all conflict that isn't
Speaker 1: with the far right, And that's the energy I think
Speaker 1: that we need to go into this with. Is that,
Speaker 1: like at a certain level, I think of like, if
Speaker 1: I don't think someone's going to be trying to shoot
Speaker 1: me for being trans five years from now, I want
Speaker 1: to figure out how to make peace with them. And
Speaker 1: I say that as someone who's like I could be
Speaker 1: as guilty as anyone else of some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: But overall, yeah, uh, de escalate conflict that isn't with
Speaker 1: the enemy, you know, yeah, which doesn't mean that conflict
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, But we get so confused and like think that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're so angry and then the person next
Speaker 1: to us is like fucked up, so we're really fucking
Speaker 1: mad at them, but like, I don't know, we're all
Speaker 1: fucked up, Yeah, except me and Sophie and Anderson and
Speaker 1: Rentrall Yeah, and interson in Traw. How is we get?
Speaker 1: Can we get rentrap? Rentraw is doing really well. Rentraw
Speaker 1: is a barely a puppy anymore. And as much as
Speaker 1: puppies are cute, the munt he's grown since when we
Speaker 1: started this podcast blows my mind. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: so perfect, you know, he's so great. Um, he still
Speaker 1: can't handle cars going by because he's a hollow dog.
Speaker 1: That's fair. I'm a human, I can't handle cars going by. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's very stimulating, you know. Yeah in theme of dogs,
Speaker 1: should I answer some Anderson stuff? Yeah? Um, people would
Speaker 1: like an update on Anderson. Um, I'll have a better
Speaker 1: update on Anderson because those of you have been following.
Speaker 1: She like she had knee surgery last year because she
Speaker 1: tore her a c l running on wet grass and
Speaker 1: getting her leg caught in a div it and had
Speaker 1: to have surgery and did physical therapy. I think she's
Speaker 1: doing fucking awesome. I think she's uh, she's she's fully recovered.
Speaker 1: We have an appointment in a couple of weeks to
Speaker 1: confirm that. But she's extremely happy. Her favorite toy right now,
Speaker 1: my friend, my friend Bethiane got Anderson for the holidays,
Speaker 1: got her this like it's like a like a thing
Speaker 1: of doughnuts, but it's all squeaky toys. And so they
Speaker 1: come in a bunch of different color like a bunch
Speaker 1: of different colors, and they really do they're like very
Speaker 1: realistic looking like donuts and it's like the perfect size
Speaker 1: for her to like throw around and like fit in
Speaker 1: her mouth. And so there's just like donuts all over
Speaker 1: my house and I love that. So, Margaret, what is
Speaker 1: the origin of your Magpie nickname? Sometimes I answer by
Speaker 1: saying it's because I always found shiny objects and brought
Speaker 1: them home. But it's also because I was a thief.
Speaker 1: I stole a lot of stuff when I was like
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty. Yeah. Actually I picked the name Margaret by reverse.
Speaker 1: I Um, I started going by Magpie a long time
Speaker 1: ago because um, I was a forest defender, and all
Speaker 1: of us forest defenders had names after various animals and
Speaker 1: plants and all that stuff, And so I picked Magpie
Speaker 1: or someone else I think actually named me Magpie because
Speaker 1: I would, um find rusty objects and bring them home,
Speaker 1: like find little things on the ground. And then also
Speaker 1: I kept shoplifting. That's how I got Magpie. And then
Speaker 1: from there I met someone named Magpie and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll tell a story. I very rarely tell stories about
Speaker 1: anything like vaguely romantic. When I was much younger, I
Speaker 1: was off to go steal photocopiers from a college for
Speaker 1: some anti war flyer and this person comes up and goes, Hi,
Speaker 1: what's your name? And I'm like, I'm Magpie and she
Speaker 1: looks at me funny, and she goes, that's my name.
Speaker 1: And I was like, is that why you came up
Speaker 1: to talk to me? And she said no, I just
Speaker 1: thought you were cute. And her name was Margaret, and
Speaker 1: that's how I learned that Magpie was short from Margaret.
Speaker 1: And I was in the market for a girl's name,
Speaker 1: so I ended up Margaret. It's the origin of my name.
Speaker 1: And then I got killed joy because I, um, it
Speaker 1: was kind of a buzz kill for a while. It's
Speaker 1: just funny because now I'm a professional optimist sort of somebody.
Speaker 1: Somebody's asking Margaret, if you're stranded on a Dessie Island,
Speaker 1: your top three or five books you would bring? Okay,
Speaker 1: I would want The Lord of the Rings. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: cheat and have whole trilogies here. I want the Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings. I want the Mars trilogy by Kim
Speaker 1: Stanley Robinson because I've never finished it. You're like, You're like,
Speaker 1: I think I want this, Well, no, it's really good,
Speaker 1: but it's so long, and so I get distracted. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of a D H. D. And it's it's three
Speaker 1: very long books with lots of names. And then they
Speaker 1: got halfway through the second book and then I put
Speaker 1: it down for some reason, for like something, not because
Speaker 1: I'm bored, but because something else comes up in my
Speaker 1: life and I'm not don't have time to read. And
Speaker 1: then I pick it back up, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: have no idea where I was, and so I have
Speaker 1: to start over. And so I've done that twice. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a very influential book on a lot of how
Speaker 1: I think, the first book and a half of it,
Speaker 1: which I've read twice. Okay, So I would take those books.
Speaker 1: And then I would take Where there Is No Doctor
Speaker 1: because I'm on a desert island. And then I don't
Speaker 1: know if this book he exists, but I'm sure it does.
Speaker 1: I would take How to Survive on a Desert Island,
Speaker 1: and then I would take how to Build a Seafaring
Speaker 1: Raft from Coconuts. Those are the books I would pick.
Speaker 1: That's cool, what do you got? I would I would
Speaker 1: take Sophie's choice, would take Sophie's choice. The only book
Speaker 1: I would do is it is a book. It is
Speaker 1: a book, and it's also a movie. Okay. The only
Speaker 1: book I would take is a book that's available for
Speaker 1: pre order in a fab by one Margaret Killjoy, called
Speaker 1: Escape from Instel Island. Where can people preorder that? Margaret? Oh,
Speaker 1: they can get that Tangled Wilderness dot org. It is
Speaker 1: about escaping from an island. So that actually is pretty
Speaker 1: does perfectly fit. And that's the only book I take.
Speaker 1: Fuck your three, fuck your five. Um. Speaking of the
Speaker 1: things that people can order, it's time for capitalism, goods
Speaker 1: and services, and we're back. Dennis asks, why do you
Speaker 1: have a girl's name about a man's boy? So, my god,
Speaker 1: dennist you know listen. I read the dentist asked, but
Speaker 1: didn't read the second part of it. My Margaret asked me.
Speaker 1: Margaret highlighted this as a question that she wanted me
Speaker 1: to put to ask. I only read the dentist asks part.
Speaker 1: But apparently you want to answer this one. Go off. Well.
Speaker 1: When I was a young child, I ran away from
Speaker 1: home and I met a powerful sorcerer who raised me
Speaker 1: in the forest. He was mighty in magic but frail
Speaker 1: of body, and he had me to his evil bidding
Speaker 1: until one day when I grew stronger than him. I
Speaker 1: wrestled him to the ground. I reached into his throat,
Speaker 1: and I hold forth his mighty voice, and the woods
Speaker 1: became mine to command. That's why I have a man's voice.
Speaker 1: I stole it from a man. I think that's beautiful. Also,
Speaker 1: I only read Dennis asks. Dennis, I said, I set
Speaker 1: Sophia up for that. Dennis, what the fuck? I have
Speaker 1: literally no idea whether that was an earnest I've never
Speaker 1: heard of a trans person question, or whether it was
Speaker 1: a troll question. It could be fifty fifty I I
Speaker 1: don't know, hence why I said, what the fuck it not?
Speaker 1: Fuck you? Yeah, if it was an earnest question, I'm
Speaker 1: a trans woman. If it wasn't an earnest question, and
Speaker 1: fuck you, good fuck you. Okay, Uh, somebody wants to
Speaker 1: know how we met, and I really like your answer. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me capsized boat. Sophie was hanging out on a
Speaker 1: door with this loser and I was like, hey, ditch
Speaker 1: this loser and let me on, and so he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, extly what happened? Loser got ditched, I got
Speaker 1: on the doorm that we met. You fill in the
Speaker 1: fucking blanks there. Ye oh, this is such a funny question.
Speaker 1: Have either of you considered attaining godhood and what would
Speaker 1: your spirits of influence be? Do you want to go first? No,
Speaker 1: you answered, I have to think of mine. Okay, I would.
Speaker 1: I would my sphere of influence. All paladins who think
Speaker 1: they're rogues would would worship me. That would be my sphere.
Speaker 1: But don't have a good could answer to this? Uh, podcasters,
Speaker 1: no God? Margaret posted your name. Margaret posted the funniest
Speaker 1: into story slash tweet the other day where she was like,
Speaker 1: I had this horrible nightmare that somebody asked me what
Speaker 1: I did for a living and I had to say podcasting,
Speaker 1: and like that's a that's a regular like jump scare
Speaker 1: for me. So yeah, especially especially like anything to do
Speaker 1: with the family, because I'm the younger of two siblings
Speaker 1: and my older siblings like trying to literally cure cancer.
Speaker 1: He's an oncologist. And then they're like, I know what
Speaker 1: about you? And I was like, this is the podcast podcast? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's funny because I shouldn't be it. I listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of podcasts I really like. I I
Speaker 1: wasn't like his is the hot new thing. I'm like
Speaker 1: I really like podcasts, and I've been running podcasts for
Speaker 1: a while. You know, It's okay, same with same, same
Speaker 1: with Jamie Loftist hates when people put podcasts or first
Speaker 1: in her list of accolades. So it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: universal thing. Yeah, okay, nex. Yeah. The conversation with Jamie
Speaker 1: about it once where it was just like Jamie's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian. I'm like, yeah, I write books. Such
Speaker 1: a funny question and your answer is so surprising to
Speaker 1: me but also very funny. Is there any media you
Speaker 1: enjoy consuming that can be a little problematic? Okay, where's
Speaker 1: where's the highlight? Last page? Damn it? Now I have
Speaker 1: to actually answer it. Yeah, you do. If you didn't
Speaker 1: actually put an answer in this, I wouldn't have asked
Speaker 1: this question. Now, I know. I know Brooklyn nine nine hilarious.
Speaker 1: It's capaganda? Is it? Because Chelsea Peretti is like the
Speaker 1: funniest person on Earth? I feel like Brooklyn nine nine
Speaker 1: like managed to figure out how to like whenever people
Speaker 1: are like, oh woke, people aren't funny, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen someone trying? Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's just the jokes in it are actually funny where
Speaker 1: the thing that they're making fun of is the non wokenus.
Speaker 1: They're making fun of regressive ideas, but but actually humor,
Speaker 1: like they're actually just you know, it's all the stuff
Speaker 1: people like, Oh, you can't make jokes anymore. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: these people managed to make a ton of jokes about
Speaker 1: all of this stuff that we're like supposedly not able
Speaker 1: to touch, and they do so generally speaking with grace,
Speaker 1: with the exception of the fact that they're all police officers.
Speaker 1: And I feel like and later seasons they a little
Speaker 1: bit tried to wrestle where the characters are like, are
Speaker 1: we the baddies? You know? But they don't quite realize
Speaker 1: they're the baddies. And so that's my that's my problematic faith.
Speaker 1: What's your problematic faith? Our problematic faive is making my
Speaker 1: friends watch reality TV shows from like their early two thousand's.
Speaker 1: I love to make a friend watch uh problematic Laguna
Speaker 1: Beach Okay, where you just like see how like entitled
Speaker 1: uh pendagers reacted in the early two thousands in our life.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's just like the oh, but it's
Speaker 1: so enjoyable. And then I and then Part two would
Speaker 1: be anything that's like Game of Thrones adjacent, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that would be another one for me. This
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, the movie, the show that I stopped watching,
Speaker 1: like every single time there's a rape scene that isn't
Speaker 1: in the books. I put down this show for like
Speaker 1: a year and then I come back because it's high
Speaker 1: budget things with swords and swords and dragons and just
Speaker 1: kind of this is like the worst question I've seen,
Speaker 1: who is the coolest person of all time? I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to answer that, you, dear listener. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the collective you. Yeah, how do
Speaker 1: we get you? And other accolades of Sophie. Oh, I'm
Speaker 1: now speaking in third person to the center of the
Speaker 1: country for book events, I feel like you, you have
Speaker 1: stuff coming up. No, I I did a tour last summer,
Speaker 1: but I the only middle part I did was across
Speaker 1: the middle bottom across the bottom of the middle, like
Speaker 1: Texas and Arizona and all of that. I tour by driving,
Speaker 1: and most months of the year the center of the
Speaker 1: country are not incredibly conducive to that. It limits the
Speaker 1: the time, but at some point I like touring um
Speaker 1: and then I will convince Sophie and other people to
Speaker 1: come join me at something. Yeah, Robert and I are
Speaker 1: probably gonna do uh uh in person touring stuff this year,
Speaker 1: if not next year. Um, people get real salty if
Speaker 1: you only go to New York City, l A in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, but also sometimes you do. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've definitely played a show in Manhattan, Kansas for the Bartender,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I don't hate that I went to Manhattan, Kansas.
Speaker 1: I hope the bartender liked the show. I'm sure they did. Um,
Speaker 1: how did you both get your dogs? And have our
Speaker 1: dogs met? They should have they should have met, but
Speaker 1: they didn't meet, mostly because Anderson, like, I'm being super
Speaker 1: cautious with her injury, and I haven't been introducing her
Speaker 1: to new dogs or like taking her to like a
Speaker 1: lot of public places while she recovers. Um, because they
Speaker 1: in the first year after holding that, they're like likely
Speaker 1: to do the other leg, which is no, thank you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, how did you get ring? How did how
Speaker 1: did you? How did you? How did Rent become become yours?
Speaker 1: I was living in a cabin in the mountains in
Speaker 1: North Carolina alone during the pandemic I was not incredibly
Speaker 1: happy about many of the parts of this preceding sentence.
Speaker 1: And my neighbor on literally the other side of the mountain.
Speaker 1: When you talk about Appalachians, it's not like what the
Speaker 1: West Coast people think of mountains. On the other side
Speaker 1: of the hill from where I lived, my friend rescued
Speaker 1: eight or so puppies that were running away with their
Speaker 1: mom and we're all like sick and dying and basically
Speaker 1: started nursing them back to health and fostering and let
Speaker 1: me know. And I came over and there's this photo
Speaker 1: of me. Ntaw is like five weeks old, uh, and
Speaker 1: he's like sitting in my skirt, and I was just
Speaker 1: like ugly crying. Yeah, it's like I hadn't experienced away
Speaker 1: it like two years, you know. And and there were
Speaker 1: two in the litter that looked really similar drawd a
Speaker 1: little white spot on his forehead, and one of the
Speaker 1: people who rescued the dogs was like, I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: taking one of these two, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: one is mine, which is like not my place to,
Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't do any of the work,
Speaker 1: you know, But Beautiful by Renshaw's litter mates had had
Speaker 1: died from um neglect and we're all sick and uh,
Speaker 1: and so mom had run away and he would have
Speaker 1: been destined to be a bear hunting dog, which is like,
Speaker 1: I actually think working dogs can have great life lives.
Speaker 1: I'm not specifically anti that, but he wouldn't have had
Speaker 1: a good life as a bear hunting dog where where
Speaker 1: he was destined to be sold if he had survived,
Speaker 1: which he probably wouldn't have, because I really liked him
Speaker 1: because he was the calmist all the dogs. I'm a
Speaker 1: very low energy person and he was the calmist by far.
Speaker 1: It's because he was sick as hell. He was so
Speaker 1: sick and then we got him like de wormed and
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, and they just like, has so
Speaker 1: much energy. So I got I got really excited about this.
Speaker 1: I just like, I really love Renstraw a lot. But
Speaker 1: basically my friend was like, you you don't get the
Speaker 1: dog that you want, you get the dog that you need.
Speaker 1: And so I have a a monster full of energy
Speaker 1: in my house who's part boed. It was gonna honey.
Speaker 1: Renshaw will outrun the sun. Renshaw chases planes that are
Speaker 1: five in the sky or whatever. Um he's want. He's
Speaker 1: perfect how do you end up with Anderson? So, Uh,
Speaker 1: I've had an inderstond for like six or seven years.
Speaker 1: She Uh, my parents before, before their business failed during
Speaker 1: the pandemic, sold office furniture as like a husband and
Speaker 1: wife duo selling office furniture in my entire life. And
Speaker 1: they had an office that was down the street from
Speaker 1: this adoption rescue place. And and they went in randomly
Speaker 1: because I saw a dog that looks similar to their dog.
Speaker 1: And then uh, they went in and they sent me
Speaker 1: a photo of Anderson. Um, and I left work in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day. I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: funk you guys kind and and uh I went in.
Speaker 1: She put her paws on me and went hi, and
Speaker 1: I was like, my she was like she was like
Speaker 1: severely mount she was found in the streets. She was
Speaker 1: severely malnourished, covered in ticks, and Um, it was at
Speaker 1: a point in my life where it's like God, I
Speaker 1: needed her and needed her. I was like fully still
Speaker 1: dealing with PTSD and had just had like my heart
Speaker 1: stomped on. And then Anderson came through and was like,
Speaker 1: I shall save you. And um, She's the best dog ever.
Speaker 1: And uh, literally one photo I was like, funck this,
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm gonna go get this dog. I went
Speaker 1: adopted her, went back to work. My mom took her
Speaker 1: to the vet. Were like, she's covered and she's covered
Speaker 1: in ticks. It's great, it's gonna be good. Well full
Speaker 1: fix it. Okay. I went back to work, left work,
Speaker 1: came home, and I was like, this is my this
Speaker 1: is mine, no regrets. She's the ship. I will say.
Speaker 1: I'm very lucky. I was raised right. I grew up
Speaker 1: with rescue animals, Like all of our pets were rescues,
Speaker 1: and like that is um. There's not very many things.
Speaker 1: I'll just be like this is what I believe in.
Speaker 1: You all shouldn't do, but like rescue animals, that's those
Speaker 1: are the those the animals that need it. Yeahson was
Speaker 1: like I was like found on the streets. Was so
Speaker 1: like you could see her ribs. She was so tiny
Speaker 1: and um was super close to getting on the freeway
Speaker 1: in California. She was available for adoption for less than
Speaker 1: two hours and I was like, that's my girl. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Nobody touched her. Um, let's do uh, let's do two
Speaker 1: more still serious, one you do one and then I'll
Speaker 1: I'll do one. Okay, so one person asked. I mostly
Speaker 1: didn't write down the names of the people who asked,
Speaker 1: except Dennis. Sorry Dennis taking on the other day. So, what,
Speaker 1: if anything, have you all learned about moving people politically?
Speaker 1: What approaches are helpful and encouraging people to become less
Speaker 1: fashion And one of the reasons I was really excited
Speaker 1: to work with Cool Zone Media is that I really
Speaker 1: appreciate the work that I see y'all have done. Two.
Speaker 1: Be outward facing and specifically like not aim things at
Speaker 1: people who are already the super cool radicals or whatever,
Speaker 1: but instead just talk about these ideas two a broad
Speaker 1: audience and be open to open to admitting which parts
Speaker 1: seems silly as hell, like open to admitting the like
Speaker 1: weaknesses and different radical ideas. I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: like really inspired by that. And actually that was how
Speaker 1: I first started really talking to Robert, was about that,
Speaker 1: um and how I I felt that Robert and you
Speaker 1: all and you did a really good job of doing
Speaker 1: that with the stuff that you put out. So I
Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it. I think that
Speaker 1: what I've learned about moving people politically is that preaching
Speaker 1: the choirs boring, uh, there's some ad, there's some beauty
Speaker 1: and creating a culture that we all get to participate
Speaker 1: in and stuff like that. It's cool, like inside culture
Speaker 1: stuff is great, but it doesn't change anything, right, And
Speaker 1: what I found far more useful is that when I
Speaker 1: stopped being an anarchist and anarchist spaces and I started
Speaker 1: being an anarchist and non anarchist spaces, like not anti
Speaker 1: anarchist spaces, but just like basically when I started hanging
Speaker 1: out with nerds, like more so again, and I started
Speaker 1: going to science fiction conventions and things like that, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't about I'm going to go out there and
Speaker 1: proselytize and convince people of these ideas, but instead actually
Speaker 1: having a free exchange of ideas, being like open about
Speaker 1: what you believe without trying to convince people of what
Speaker 1: you believe. That's what's been the most useful for me.
Speaker 1: It really helps that for me, my goal is not
Speaker 1: a thing where I need people to like subscribe to
Speaker 1: my newsletter and like pay me money or whatever um.
Speaker 1: But instead my goal is to be around for the
Speaker 1: development of freethinking individuals so that we can collectively decide
Speaker 1: what to do right. Because I'm not offering answers. I'm
Speaker 1: offering ideas about how we can collectively develop ideas, develop answers,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, and then just like be willing to
Speaker 1: admit which parts of your ideology are like kind of
Speaker 1: weird or like the for me, I mean, not everyone whatever,
Speaker 1: Like I'm an anarchist, and I have to admit that
Speaker 1: there's like times on historical anarchists like that all kinds
Speaker 1: of awful things or whatever. Right, and then there's also
Speaker 1: parts of it that like our contradictions, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to answer that, and I don't
Speaker 1: have all the answers, and I don't want to have
Speaker 1: all the answers, and I don't need to have all
Speaker 1: the answers, so it's less about like and then in
Speaker 1: terms of making people more less fashy, you know, it's
Speaker 1: hard for me, right because in a the ways, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: someone just hates trans people. It's just not gonna work.
Speaker 1: We're not getting anywhere and they're not going to talk
Speaker 1: to me, you know. Um, But in general I find
Speaker 1: that a lot of people, I mean, actually, okay, with
Speaker 1: my other podcast, Lived Like the World Is Dying, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite types of listener mail, I get as
Speaker 1: people who are like I was a center maybe even
Speaker 1: center right prepper because I was interested in preparedness and
Speaker 1: all of the media that was available for that was
Speaker 1: right wing. And so I really appreciate your show not
Speaker 1: because they've suddenly become leftists, but because they stopped becoming
Speaker 1: more fashion At least it reversed that trend. That's what
Speaker 1: That's what I've got. But you've been kind of doing
Speaker 1: some of this stuff for a long time too, Sophie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously like Tanky's Turfs fucking Nazis all suck,
Speaker 1: But in terms of like those it you would be
Speaker 1: so surprised how easy it is to find some sort
Speaker 1: of like like gateway topic with you know, specifically like
Speaker 1: with with people that you know, um like because like
Speaker 1: arguing with the fucking Turpos on the internet is like,
Speaker 1: you're really not going to get anywhere. But you know,
Speaker 1: speaking from somebody who you know grew up in a
Speaker 1: with a centrist mother and a Republican father who are
Speaker 1: now I have been convinced to go a lot lefter
Speaker 1: shout out shout out my parents. Uh, but and then
Speaker 1: just having just a such a wide ranging uh politically,
Speaker 1: Like my extended family is all over the place in
Speaker 1: terms of politics. Um, you can you can find something
Speaker 1: that you know is something that both of you can
Speaker 1: agree on, and then you you just start expanding from that.
Speaker 1: And if you see that they're not listening, don't say
Speaker 1: it louder. Is if they're not If they're not open,
Speaker 1: they're not open to hearing what you're saying. If you
Speaker 1: say it louder, they're just gonna put their ear plugs
Speaker 1: in deeper. Like it's just not it's not it's not
Speaker 1: going to happen. Um. But like you said, in terms
Speaker 1: of like, you know, you found a lot like with
Speaker 1: prepping and right wing preppers, you you had that in common,
Speaker 1: and you're able to expand on that and to go
Speaker 1: into certain principles of of of what what you think
Speaker 1: matters and what they think matters, and how to expand
Speaker 1: on that. And and and I think that community and
Speaker 1: mutual aid brings a lot of people together. Um. I
Speaker 1: remember we had the amazing Kim Kelly on It could
Speaker 1: Happen Here talking about a story that she was working
Speaker 1: on in terms of of a union strike and how
Speaker 1: it was like she hadn't politically nothing in common with
Speaker 1: the wives of workers. But they were getting along so
Speaker 1: well because they all had the same this ame goal
Speaker 1: of of getting of getting equality and and and and
Speaker 1: better better pay and writes and things like that. And
Speaker 1: I think when it comes down to it, if people
Speaker 1: can see beyond the wall. Sorry that was my that
Speaker 1: was my screaming into the void personal internet side of things,
Speaker 1: and you actually talk to people, you can find common
Speaker 1: ground and expand on that. And I think that uh,
Speaker 1: you know, share sharing articles and sharing uh podcasts and
Speaker 1: things like that, are they might not read it and
Speaker 1: they might not listen and things like that. Um. I've
Speaker 1: definitely had that in terms of family members. UM. But
Speaker 1: if you if you, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: need to give more people a chance. Honestly, I think
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, don't start by writing people off.
Speaker 1: Don't start by writing people off. And just know that
Speaker 1: you might You're you're going to get your feelings and
Speaker 1: you're going it's going to be hard and it's not
Speaker 1: an easy process. But if you love somebody and you
Speaker 1: use and it's not you know you want to it
Speaker 1: ties into what you're talking about earlier about in fighting
Speaker 1: because I think about like we um, don't. We're politics
Speaker 1: is polarizing right right now, very intensely. The center cannot
Speaker 1: hold and it's not holding. Uh that's my attempted not
Speaker 1: even shelling reference. I can't even remember who wrote the plan.
Speaker 1: Why did I even? I don't know turning turning a
Speaker 1: widening guy, widening guy, or the falcon cannot hear the
Speaker 1: falconer anyway, that's my weird nineteenth century reference poetry reference. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're asking people to pick a side in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways right now, because conflict is brilliant, right,
Speaker 1: you have to let people pick your side. If you're
Speaker 1: asking people to pick a side, which means that they
Speaker 1: didn't start off on your side. And so instead we
Speaker 1: have this ad to it of like, well you ever
Speaker 1: believed this? So you're cast out forever from the garden
Speaker 1: of Eden. Sorry, I mean cool radicalism, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And so you're like, okay, so you're just literally making Nazis.
Speaker 1: That's what you're doing. If you're telling people that they
Speaker 1: can't join anti Nazis side and there's no middle left,
Speaker 1: they're joining Nazis. That's what's available to them. And so
Speaker 1: it's a bad idea. It's ethics aside. It's a bad
Speaker 1: idea to say, I want you to pick a side, okay,
Speaker 1: but you didn't pick mine perfectly enough, or you didn't
Speaker 1: go back in time and pick it ahead of time.
Speaker 1: It's just annoys. You were quoting, uh the poem The
Speaker 1: Second Coming, and it's Yates Yates. Yeah, it's Willie, It's
Speaker 1: William Butler Yates and uh yeah, mere anarchy is loosed
Speaker 1: upon the world, but not in a good way in
Speaker 1: that version. Yeah. I think that's where we'll leave it, right.
Speaker 1: But you know, we we said we got so many
Speaker 1: really good questions that we would do this again at
Speaker 1: some point. Wait, we're gonna do one last one. Oh,
Speaker 1: you have one last one. Okay, give it to me.
Speaker 1: So if you do you like Scott, Uh no, because
Speaker 1: it makes Robert, because Robert like Scott, and so if
Speaker 1: I like Scott, that would make him happy, and I
Speaker 1: must I must. I must not like things that Robert
Speaker 1: likes to make him suffer. That's fair. Okay, good, all right?
Speaker 1: So that was your last question, be like, I really
Speaker 1: need to know it was. That was a genuine listener
Speaker 1: asked question. I just wanted to get that one in there.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. No, I have no issue. I have
Speaker 1: no issues with Scotts. It's not my favorite, but I
Speaker 1: don't I don't dislike Scott And so we'll be back.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with your regularly scheduled twice
Speaker 1: a week. People who did Somebody asked us. Somebody asked us, like,
Speaker 1: what we what our nickname for our listener basis? And
Speaker 1: I don't want to answer it, but I want to
Speaker 1: think about it. Yeah, okay, I think that's a good should.
Speaker 1: We should think about it. Yeah, okay, Bye bye. Cool
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