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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 1: your podcast where we answer listener questions. That's what we

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Speaker 1: do every week. No, that's this week, this week, new year,

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Speaker 1: new format for one day. That's Sophie, Sophie, how are

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Speaker 1: you so? He's the producer, kind of like the producers

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Speaker 1: the play. I think I've already made this joke actually

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Speaker 1: on this show. It's okay, it's it's a new year,

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Speaker 1: doesn't count. You can recite all your material from last year. Hey, okay,

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Speaker 1: so what we're gonna do today because it's today's a

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Speaker 1: half week because there was a holiday that you might

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Speaker 1: have heard about called the twelve Days of Christmas or

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Speaker 1: whatever the funk I don't know. Yeah, that's it. Today

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Speaker 1: we're going to be answering your questions. The star of

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Speaker 1: the show is you, dear listener, at least those of

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Speaker 1: you who sent us Twitter and Instagram questions in the

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Speaker 1: past twenty four hours. Well, our past twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: were forty eight hours ago to twenty four hours ago.

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Speaker 1: Time as time is not real. It is not real,

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Speaker 1: as evidenced by the fact that is currently three years long.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly it certainly is. I guess so good used.

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Speaker 1: People are like, oh, yeah, during the pandemic, and I'm like, what,

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Speaker 1: We're still in the fucking pandemic. We are, we are,

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Speaker 1: We're not in the pandemic. We've always been in the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: We certainly are before time. Is there an illusion? Well, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: let's get this out of the way. Okay, what for

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Speaker 1: you defines a cool person? Margaret Killjoy? Ah, I would

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Speaker 1: say someone who fights against bad stuff, even if they

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Speaker 1: do it imperfectly. That's how I pick my guests, not

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Speaker 1: my guests, well that too, some globle. That's how I

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Speaker 1: pick my subjects, as people who fight against the bad

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Speaker 1: things in the best way that they that they can.

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Speaker 1: And I guess I would also say that it's like

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Speaker 1: someone who does what's right rather than what's safe. I

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Speaker 1: think that's like the kind of thing that we can

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Speaker 1: all on some level aspire to, which doesn't mean that

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Speaker 1: danger for the sake of danger is what's right, but

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Speaker 1: that we should actually act to stop bad things because

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Speaker 1: there's bad things. I don't know if you knew about that, Sophie, No,

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Speaker 1: I never heard of that. All sunshine and snowflake, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: snowflakes like snow because snow is nice. It wasn't a

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Speaker 1: reference to the stupid. Not everything's cultural war, Sophie. Not

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Speaker 1: everything's culture where then you name me Sophie. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, because I don't know

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Speaker 1: what a bad thing is. So okay, all right, magpie,

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Speaker 1: let's start with a a fun one. Somebody says, my

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Speaker 1: breakfast lately has been a whole potato with salt grow

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Speaker 1: or against, And I mean, I know how you're going

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Speaker 1: basically pro. I mean, it is a fair amount of work.

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Speaker 1: I guess if you're like microwaving it, it's a little

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Speaker 1: Let's season that ship. Yeah, maybe get some protein in

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Speaker 1: there somehow, but I don't stress about it. It was perfect,

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. If you could interview any of

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Speaker 1: the cool people you've talked about so far, who would

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Speaker 1: it be. I think I would interview Louise Michelle. I'm

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Speaker 1: like surprised you didn't say I'm a Goldman. I know, okay,

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Speaker 1: so like I would have thought I'm a goldman, but

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Speaker 1: I'm a Goldman. I feel like I like understand a

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Speaker 1: little bit more, maybe because it's like that's who everyone

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Speaker 1: I know talks about. I'm a Goldman, you know, did

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Speaker 1: all this for people who miss these episodes. I'm a

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Speaker 1: Goldman was early twentieth century, like nineteenth century, um anarchist

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Speaker 1: orator who did all kinds of amazing stuff like fight

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Speaker 1: it would be the fucking Bobby you got, I know,

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Speaker 1: this is a great question, Margaret. What authors inspired you

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Speaker 1: about Sophie's story. What about sophie story? Are we doing

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Speaker 1: his Sophie choicey reference isn't happening? Oh I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: I don't know Sophie's choices. Oh my god, that's so cool.

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Speaker 1: is the opposite of Sophie's choice. This is my choice.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking the question, Now, what's your question? What do

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Speaker 1: you want to know? Margaret? Well, the question that someone

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Speaker 1: And I guess if we're doing weird titles. My title's

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Speaker 1: to have surgery and did physical therapy. I think she's

427
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: doing fucking awesome. I think she's uh, she's she's fully recovered.

428
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: We have an appointment in a couple of weeks to

429
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: confirm that. But she's extremely happy. Her favorite toy right now,

430
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: my friend, my friend Bethiane got Anderson for the holidays,

431
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: got her this like it's like a like a thing

432
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: of doughnuts, but it's all squeaky toys. And so they

433
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: come in a bunch of different color like a bunch

434
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: of different colors, and they really do they're like very

435
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: realistic looking like donuts and it's like the perfect size

436
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: for her to like throw around and like fit in

437
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: her mouth. And so there's just like donuts all over

438
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: my house and I love that. So, Margaret, what is

439
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: the origin of your Magpie nickname? Sometimes I answer by

440
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: saying it's because I always found shiny objects and brought

441
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: them home. But it's also because I was a thief.

442
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: I stole a lot of stuff when I was like

443
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty. Yeah. Actually I picked the name Margaret by reverse.

444
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: I Um, I started going by Magpie a long time

445
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: ago because um, I was a forest defender, and all

446
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: of us forest defenders had names after various animals and

447
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: plants and all that stuff, And so I picked Magpie

448
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: or someone else I think actually named me Magpie because

449
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: I would, um find rusty objects and bring them home,

450
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: like find little things on the ground. And then also

451
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: I kept shoplifting. That's how I got Magpie. And then

452
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: from there I met someone named Magpie and I was like, Okay,

453
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell a story. I very rarely tell stories about

454
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: anything like vaguely romantic. When I was much younger, I

455
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: was off to go steal photocopiers from a college for

456
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: some anti war flyer and this person comes up and goes, Hi,

457
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: what's your name? And I'm like, I'm Magpie and she

458
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: looks at me funny, and she goes, that's my name.

459
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: And I was like, is that why you came up

460
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: to talk to me? And she said no, I just

461
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: thought you were cute. And her name was Margaret, and

462
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: that's how I learned that Magpie was short from Margaret.

463
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: And I was in the market for a girl's name,

464
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: so I ended up Margaret. It's the origin of my name.

465
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: And then I got killed joy because I, um, it

466
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: was kind of a buzz kill for a while. It's

467
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: just funny because now I'm a professional optimist sort of somebody.

468
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Somebody's asking Margaret, if you're stranded on a Dessie Island,

469
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: your top three or five books you would bring? Okay,

470
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: I would want The Lord of the Rings. I'm gonna

471
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: cheat and have whole trilogies here. I want the Lord

472
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: of the Rings. I want the Mars trilogy by Kim

473
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: Stanley Robinson because I've never finished it. You're like, You're like,

474
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: I think I want this, Well, no, it's really good,

475
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: but it's so long, and so I get distracted. I'm

476
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: kind of a D H. D. And it's it's three

477
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: very long books with lots of names. And then they

478
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: got halfway through the second book and then I put

479
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: it down for some reason, for like something, not because

480
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm bored, but because something else comes up in my

481
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: life and I'm not don't have time to read. And

482
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: then I pick it back up, and I'm like, I

483
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: have no idea where I was, and so I have

484
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: to start over. And so I've done that twice. Um,

485
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: it's a very influential book on a lot of how

486
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: I think, the first book and a half of it,

487
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: which I've read twice. Okay, So I would take those books.

488
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: And then I would take Where there Is No Doctor

489
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: because I'm on a desert island. And then I don't

490
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: know if this book he exists, but I'm sure it does.

491
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: I would take How to Survive on a Desert Island,

492
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: and then I would take how to Build a Seafaring

493
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: Raft from Coconuts. Those are the books I would pick.

494
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: That's cool, what do you got? I would I would

495
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: take Sophie's choice, would take Sophie's choice. The only book

496
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: I would do is it is a book. It is

497
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: a book, and it's also a movie. Okay. The only

498
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: book I would take is a book that's available for

499
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: pre order in a fab by one Margaret Killjoy, called

500
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: Escape from Instel Island. Where can people preorder that? Margaret? Oh,

501
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: they can get that Tangled Wilderness dot org. It is

502
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: about escaping from an island. So that actually is pretty

503
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: does perfectly fit. And that's the only book I take.

504
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: Fuck your three, fuck your five. Um. Speaking of the

505
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: things that people can order, it's time for capitalism, goods

506
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: and services, and we're back. Dennis asks, why do you

507
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: have a girl's name about a man's boy? So, my god,

508
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: dennist you know listen. I read the dentist asked, but

509
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: didn't read the second part of it. My Margaret asked me.

510
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: Margaret highlighted this as a question that she wanted me

511
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: to put to ask. I only read the dentist asks part.

512
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: But apparently you want to answer this one. Go off. Well.

513
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: When I was a young child, I ran away from

514
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: home and I met a powerful sorcerer who raised me

515
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: in the forest. He was mighty in magic but frail

516
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: of body, and he had me to his evil bidding

517
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: until one day when I grew stronger than him. I

518
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: wrestled him to the ground. I reached into his throat,

519
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: and I hold forth his mighty voice, and the woods

520
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: became mine to command. That's why I have a man's voice.

521
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: I stole it from a man. I think that's beautiful. Also,

522
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: I only read Dennis asks. Dennis, I said, I set

523
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Sophia up for that. Dennis, what the fuck? I have

524
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: literally no idea whether that was an earnest I've never

525
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: heard of a trans person question, or whether it was

526
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: a troll question. It could be fifty fifty I I

527
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: don't know, hence why I said, what the fuck it not?

528
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: Fuck you? Yeah, if it was an earnest question, I'm

529
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: a trans woman. If it wasn't an earnest question, and

530
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: fuck you, good fuck you. Okay, Uh, somebody wants to

531
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: know how we met, and I really like your answer. Okay,

532
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: let me capsized boat. Sophie was hanging out on a

533
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: door with this loser and I was like, hey, ditch

534
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: this loser and let me on, and so he was like, yeah,

535
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: all right, extly what happened? Loser got ditched, I got

536
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: on the doorm that we met. You fill in the

537
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: fucking blanks there. Ye oh, this is such a funny question.

538
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: Have either of you considered attaining godhood and what would

539
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: your spirits of influence be? Do you want to go first? No,

540
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: you answered, I have to think of mine. Okay, I would.

541
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: I would my sphere of influence. All paladins who think

542
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: they're rogues would would worship me. That would be my sphere.

543
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: But don't have a good could answer to this? Uh, podcasters,

544
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: no God? Margaret posted your name. Margaret posted the funniest

545
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: into story slash tweet the other day where she was like,

546
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: I had this horrible nightmare that somebody asked me what

547
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: I did for a living and I had to say podcasting,

548
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: and like that's a that's a regular like jump scare

549
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: for me. So yeah, especially especially like anything to do

550
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: with the family, because I'm the younger of two siblings

551
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and my older siblings like trying to literally cure cancer.

552
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: He's an oncologist. And then they're like, I know what

553
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: about you? And I was like, this is the podcast podcast? Yeah,

554
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: and it's funny because I shouldn't be it. I listened

555
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: to a lot of podcasts I really like. I I

556
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: wasn't like his is the hot new thing. I'm like

557
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: I really like podcasts, and I've been running podcasts for

558
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: a while. You know, It's okay, same with same, same

559
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: with Jamie Loftist hates when people put podcasts or first

560
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: in her list of accolades. So it's it's it's a

561
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: universal thing. Yeah, okay, nex. Yeah. The conversation with Jamie

562
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: about it once where it was just like Jamie's like,

563
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian. I'm like, yeah, I write books. Such

564
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: a funny question and your answer is so surprising to

565
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: me but also very funny. Is there any media you

566
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: enjoy consuming that can be a little problematic? Okay, where's

567
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: where's the highlight? Last page? Damn it? Now I have

568
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: to actually answer it. Yeah, you do. If you didn't

569
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: actually put an answer in this, I wouldn't have asked

570
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: this question. Now, I know. I know Brooklyn nine nine hilarious.

571
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: It's capaganda? Is it? Because Chelsea Peretti is like the

572
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: funniest person on Earth? I feel like Brooklyn nine nine

573
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: like managed to figure out how to like whenever people

574
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: are like, oh woke, people aren't funny, And I'm like,

575
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: have you ever seen someone trying? Like I don't know,

576
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: there's just the jokes in it are actually funny where

577
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: the thing that they're making fun of is the non wokenus.

578
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: They're making fun of regressive ideas, but but actually humor,

579
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: like they're actually just you know, it's all the stuff

580
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: people like, Oh, you can't make jokes anymore. And I'm like,

581
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: these people managed to make a ton of jokes about

582
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: all of this stuff that we're like supposedly not able

583
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: to touch, and they do so generally speaking with grace,

584
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: with the exception of the fact that they're all police officers.

585
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: And I feel like and later seasons they a little

586
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: bit tried to wrestle where the characters are like, are

587
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: we the baddies? You know? But they don't quite realize

588
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: they're the baddies. And so that's my that's my problematic faith.

589
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: What's your problematic faith? Our problematic faive is making my

590
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: friends watch reality TV shows from like their early two thousand's.

591
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: I love to make a friend watch uh problematic Laguna

592
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: Beach Okay, where you just like see how like entitled

593
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: uh pendagers reacted in the early two thousands in our life.

594
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's just like the oh, but it's

595
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: so enjoyable. And then I and then Part two would

596
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: be anything that's like Game of Thrones adjacent, because yeah,

597
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: I guess that would be another one for me. This

598
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, the movie, the show that I stopped watching,

599
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: like every single time there's a rape scene that isn't

600
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: in the books. I put down this show for like

601
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: a year and then I come back because it's high

602
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: budget things with swords and swords and dragons and just

603
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: kind of this is like the worst question I've seen,

604
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: who is the coolest person of all time? I don't

605
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: even know how to answer that, you, dear listener. Yeah,

606
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the collective you. Yeah, how do

607
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: we get you? And other accolades of Sophie. Oh, I'm

608
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: now speaking in third person to the center of the

609
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: country for book events, I feel like you, you have

610
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: stuff coming up. No, I I did a tour last summer,

611
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: but I the only middle part I did was across

612
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: the middle bottom across the bottom of the middle, like

613
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: Texas and Arizona and all of that. I tour by driving,

614
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: and most months of the year the center of the

615
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: country are not incredibly conducive to that. It limits the

616
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: the time, but at some point I like touring um

617
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: and then I will convince Sophie and other people to

618
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: come join me at something. Yeah, Robert and I are

619
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: probably gonna do uh uh in person touring stuff this year,

620
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: if not next year. Um, people get real salty if

621
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: you only go to New York City, l A in

622
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: San Francisco, but also sometimes you do. I don't know.

623
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: I've definitely played a show in Manhattan, Kansas for the Bartender,

624
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I don't hate that I went to Manhattan, Kansas.

625
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I hope the bartender liked the show. I'm sure they did. Um,

626
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: how did you both get your dogs? And have our

627
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: dogs met? They should have they should have met, but

628
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: they didn't meet, mostly because Anderson, like, I'm being super

629
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: cautious with her injury, and I haven't been introducing her

630
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: to new dogs or like taking her to like a

631
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: lot of public places while she recovers. Um, because they

632
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: in the first year after holding that, they're like likely

633
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: to do the other leg, which is no, thank you.

634
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, how did you get ring? How did how

635
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Speaker 1: did you? How did you? How did Rent become become yours?

636
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: I was living in a cabin in the mountains in

637
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: North Carolina alone during the pandemic I was not incredibly

638
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: happy about many of the parts of this preceding sentence.

639
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: And my neighbor on literally the other side of the mountain.

640
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: When you talk about Appalachians, it's not like what the

641
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: West Coast people think of mountains. On the other side

642
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: of the hill from where I lived, my friend rescued

643
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: eight or so puppies that were running away with their

644
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: mom and we're all like sick and dying and basically

645
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: started nursing them back to health and fostering and let

646
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: me know. And I came over and there's this photo

647
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: of me. Ntaw is like five weeks old, uh, and

648
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: he's like sitting in my skirt, and I was just

649
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: like ugly crying. Yeah, it's like I hadn't experienced away

650
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: it like two years, you know. And and there were

651
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: two in the litter that looked really similar drawd a

652
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: little white spot on his forehead, and one of the

653
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: people who rescued the dogs was like, I'm thinking about

654
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: taking one of these two, and I was like, this

655
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: one is mine, which is like not my place to,

656
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't do any of the work,

657
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: you know, But Beautiful by Renshaw's litter mates had had

658
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: died from um neglect and we're all sick and uh,

659
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: and so mom had run away and he would have

660
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: been destined to be a bear hunting dog, which is like,

661
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: I actually think working dogs can have great life lives.

662
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm not specifically anti that, but he wouldn't have had

663
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: a good life as a bear hunting dog where where

664
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: he was destined to be sold if he had survived,

665
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: which he probably wouldn't have, because I really liked him

666
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: because he was the calmist all the dogs. I'm a

667
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: very low energy person and he was the calmist by far.

668
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: It's because he was sick as hell. He was so

669
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: sick and then we got him like de wormed and

670
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, and they just like, has so

671
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: much energy. So I got I got really excited about this.

672
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: I just like, I really love Renstraw a lot. But

673
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: basically my friend was like, you you don't get the

674
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: dog that you want, you get the dog that you need.

675
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: And so I have a a monster full of energy

676
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: in my house who's part boed. It was gonna honey.

677
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: Renshaw will outrun the sun. Renshaw chases planes that are

678
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: five in the sky or whatever. Um he's want. He's

679
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: perfect how do you end up with Anderson? So, Uh,

680
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: I've had an inderstond for like six or seven years.

681
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: She Uh, my parents before, before their business failed during

682
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: the pandemic, sold office furniture as like a husband and

683
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: wife duo selling office furniture in my entire life. And

684
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: they had an office that was down the street from

685
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: this adoption rescue place. And and they went in randomly

686
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: because I saw a dog that looks similar to their dog.

687
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: And then uh, they went in and they sent me

688
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: a photo of Anderson. Um, and I left work in

689
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: the middle of the day. I was like, I was like,

690
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: funk you guys kind and and uh I went in.

691
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: She put her paws on me and went hi, and

692
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: I was like, my she was like she was like

693
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: severely mount she was found in the streets. She was

694
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: severely malnourished, covered in ticks, and Um, it was at

695
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: a point in my life where it's like God, I

696
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: needed her and needed her. I was like fully still

697
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: dealing with PTSD and had just had like my heart

698
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: stomped on. And then Anderson came through and was like,

699
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: I shall save you. And um, She's the best dog ever.

700
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: And uh, literally one photo I was like, funck this,

701
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm gonna go get this dog. I went

702
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: adopted her, went back to work. My mom took her

703
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: to the vet. Were like, she's covered and she's covered

704
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: in ticks. It's great, it's gonna be good. Well full

705
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: fix it. Okay. I went back to work, left work,

706
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: came home, and I was like, this is my this

707
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: is mine, no regrets. She's the ship. I will say.

708
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm very lucky. I was raised right. I grew up

709
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: with rescue animals, Like all of our pets were rescues,

710
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: and like that is um. There's not very many things.

711
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: I'll just be like this is what I believe in.

712
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: You all shouldn't do, but like rescue animals, that's those

713
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: are the those the animals that need it. Yeahson was

714
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: like I was like found on the streets. Was so

715
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: like you could see her ribs. She was so tiny

716
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: and um was super close to getting on the freeway

717
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: in California. She was available for adoption for less than

718
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: two hours and I was like, that's my girl. Let's go.

719
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: Nobody touched her. Um, let's do uh, let's do two

720
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: more still serious, one you do one and then I'll

721
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: I'll do one. Okay, so one person asked. I mostly

722
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: didn't write down the names of the people who asked,

723
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: except Dennis. Sorry Dennis taking on the other day. So, what,

724
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: if anything, have you all learned about moving people politically?

725
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: What approaches are helpful and encouraging people to become less

726
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: fashion And one of the reasons I was really excited

727
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: to work with Cool Zone Media is that I really

728
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: appreciate the work that I see y'all have done. Two.

729
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: Be outward facing and specifically like not aim things at

730
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: people who are already the super cool radicals or whatever,

731
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: but instead just talk about these ideas two a broad

732
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: audience and be open to open to admitting which parts

733
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: seems silly as hell, like open to admitting the like

734
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: weaknesses and different radical ideas. I don't know. I was

735
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: like really inspired by that. And actually that was how

736
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: I first started really talking to Robert, was about that,

737
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: um and how I I felt that Robert and you

738
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: all and you did a really good job of doing

739
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: that with the stuff that you put out. So I

740
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it. I think that

741
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: what I've learned about moving people politically is that preaching

742
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: the choirs boring, uh, there's some ad, there's some beauty

743
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: and creating a culture that we all get to participate

744
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: in and stuff like that. It's cool, like inside culture

745
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: stuff is great, but it doesn't change anything, right, And

746
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: what I found far more useful is that when I

747
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: stopped being an anarchist and anarchist spaces and I started

748
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: being an anarchist and non anarchist spaces, like not anti

749
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: anarchist spaces, but just like basically when I started hanging

750
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: out with nerds, like more so again, and I started

751
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: going to science fiction conventions and things like that, because

752
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't about I'm going to go out there and

753
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: proselytize and convince people of these ideas, but instead actually

754
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: having a free exchange of ideas, being like open about

755
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: what you believe without trying to convince people of what

756
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: you believe. That's what's been the most useful for me.

757
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: It really helps that for me, my goal is not

758
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: a thing where I need people to like subscribe to

759
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: my newsletter and like pay me money or whatever um.

760
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: But instead my goal is to be around for the

761
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: development of freethinking individuals so that we can collectively decide

762
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: what to do right. Because I'm not offering answers. I'm

763
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: offering ideas about how we can collectively develop ideas, develop answers,

764
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: and so yeah, and then just like be willing to

765
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: admit which parts of your ideology are like kind of

766
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: weird or like the for me, I mean, not everyone whatever,

767
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm an anarchist, and I have to admit that

768
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: there's like times on historical anarchists like that all kinds

769
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: of awful things or whatever. Right, and then there's also

770
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: parts of it that like our contradictions, and I'm like,

771
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how to answer that, and I don't

772
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: have all the answers, and I don't want to have

773
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: all the answers, and I don't need to have all

774
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: the answers, so it's less about like and then in

775
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: terms of making people more less fashy, you know, it's

776
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: hard for me, right because in a the ways, I'm like, well,

777
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: someone just hates trans people. It's just not gonna work.

778
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: We're not getting anywhere and they're not going to talk

779
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: to me, you know. Um, But in general I find

780
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: that a lot of people, I mean, actually, okay, with

781
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: my other podcast, Lived Like the World Is Dying, one

782
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: of my favorite types of listener mail, I get as

783
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: people who are like I was a center maybe even

784
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: center right prepper because I was interested in preparedness and

785
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: all of the media that was available for that was

786
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: right wing. And so I really appreciate your show not

787
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: because they've suddenly become leftists, but because they stopped becoming

788
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: more fashion At least it reversed that trend. That's what

789
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: That's what I've got. But you've been kind of doing

790
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: some of this stuff for a long time too, Sophie. Yeah.

791
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean obviously like Tanky's Turfs fucking Nazis all suck,

792
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: But in terms of like those it you would be

793
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: so surprised how easy it is to find some sort

794
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: of like like gateway topic with you know, specifically like

795
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: with with people that you know, um like because like

796
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: arguing with the fucking Turpos on the internet is like,

797
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: you're really not going to get anywhere. But you know,

798
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: speaking from somebody who you know grew up in a

799
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: with a centrist mother and a Republican father who are

800
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: now I have been convinced to go a lot lefter

801
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: shout out shout out my parents. Uh, but and then

802
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: just having just a such a wide ranging uh politically,

803
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: Like my extended family is all over the place in

804
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: terms of politics. Um, you can you can find something

805
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: that you know is something that both of you can

806
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: agree on, and then you you just start expanding from that.

807
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: And if you see that they're not listening, don't say

808
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: it louder. Is if they're not If they're not open,

809
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: they're not open to hearing what you're saying. If you

810
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: say it louder, they're just gonna put their ear plugs

811
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: in deeper. Like it's just not it's not it's not

812
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: going to happen. Um. But like you said, in terms

813
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: of like, you know, you found a lot like with

814
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: prepping and right wing preppers, you you had that in common,

815
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: and you're able to expand on that and to go

816
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: into certain principles of of of what what you think

817
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: matters and what they think matters, and how to expand

818
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: on that. And and and I think that community and

819
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: mutual aid brings a lot of people together. Um. I

820
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: remember we had the amazing Kim Kelly on It could

821
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: Happen Here talking about a story that she was working

822
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: on in terms of of a union strike and how

823
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: it was like she hadn't politically nothing in common with

824
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: the wives of workers. But they were getting along so

825
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 1: well because they all had the same this ame goal

826
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: of of getting of getting equality and and and and

827
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: better better pay and writes and things like that. And

828
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: I think when it comes down to it, if people

829
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: can see beyond the wall. Sorry that was my that

830
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: was my screaming into the void personal internet side of things,

831
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: and you actually talk to people, you can find common

832
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: ground and expand on that. And I think that uh,

833
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, share sharing articles and sharing uh podcasts and

834
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: things like that, are they might not read it and

835
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: they might not listen and things like that. Um. I've

836
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: definitely had that in terms of family members. UM. But

837
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: if you if you, I think a lot of people

838
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: need to give more people a chance. Honestly, I think

839
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, don't start by writing people off.

840
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: Don't start by writing people off. And just know that

841
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: you might You're you're going to get your feelings and

842
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: you're going it's going to be hard and it's not

843
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: an easy process. But if you love somebody and you

844
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: use and it's not you know you want to it

845
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: ties into what you're talking about earlier about in fighting

846
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: because I think about like we um, don't. We're politics

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Speaker 1: is polarizing right right now, very intensely. The center cannot

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Speaker 1: hold and it's not holding. Uh that's my attempted not

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Speaker 1: even shelling reference. I can't even remember who wrote the plan.

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Speaker 1: Why did I even? I don't know turning turning a

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Speaker 1: widening guy, widening guy, or the falcon cannot hear the

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Speaker 1: falconer anyway, that's my weird nineteenth century reference poetry reference. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we're asking people to pick a side in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways right now, because conflict is brilliant, right,

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Speaker 1: you have to let people pick your side. If you're

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Speaker 1: asking people to pick a side, which means that they

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Speaker 1: didn't start off on your side. And so instead we

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Speaker 1: have this ad to it of like, well you ever

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Speaker 1: believed this? So you're cast out forever from the garden

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Speaker 1: of Eden. Sorry, I mean cool radicalism, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so you're like, okay, so you're just literally making Nazis.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're doing. If you're telling people that they

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Speaker 1: can't join anti Nazis side and there's no middle left,

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Speaker 1: they're joining Nazis. That's what's available to them. And so

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Speaker 1: it's a bad idea. It's ethics aside. It's a bad

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Speaker 1: idea to say, I want you to pick a side, okay,

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Speaker 1: but you didn't pick mine perfectly enough, or you didn't

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Speaker 1: go back in time and pick it ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: It's just annoys. You were quoting, uh the poem The

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Speaker 1: Second Coming, and it's Yates Yates. Yeah, it's Willie, It's

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Speaker 1: William Butler Yates and uh yeah, mere anarchy is loosed

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Speaker 1: upon the world, but not in a good way in

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Speaker 1: that version. Yeah. I think that's where we'll leave it, right.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we we said we got so many

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Speaker 1: really good questions that we would do this again at

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Speaker 1: some point. Wait, we're gonna do one last one. Oh,

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Speaker 1: you have one last one. Okay, give it to me.

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Speaker 1: So if you do you like Scott, Uh no, because

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Speaker 1: it makes Robert, because Robert like Scott, and so if

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Speaker 1: I like Scott, that would make him happy, and I

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Speaker 1: must I must. I must not like things that Robert

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Speaker 1: likes to make him suffer. That's fair. Okay, good, all right?

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Speaker 1: So that was your last question, be like, I really

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Speaker 1: need to know it was. That was a genuine listener

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Speaker 1: asked question. I just wanted to get that one in there.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny. No, I have no issue. I have

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Speaker 1: no issues with Scotts. It's not my favorite, but I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't dislike Scott And so we'll be back.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with your regularly scheduled twice

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Speaker 1: a week. People who did Somebody asked us. Somebody asked us, like,

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Speaker 1: what we what our nickname for our listener basis? And

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Speaker 1: I don't want to answer it, but I want to

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Speaker 1: think about it. Yeah, okay, I think that's a good should.

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Speaker 1: We should think about it. Yeah, okay, Bye bye. Cool

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Speaker 1: People Who Cool Stuff is a production of cool Zone Media.

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