1 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: Hey, fan Arritos, Welcome back to How Rude Taneritos. If 2 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: you've been listening to this podcast long enough, you've definitely 3 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: heard us mention Lenny Rips a time or two. Lenny 4 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: was a writer on Full House during seasons one through three, 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: creating some unforgettable episodes, including the Sea Crews, which we 6 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: can't wait. 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: We won't hold him, we won't hold him responsible for that. 8 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: We forgive him and can't wait to talk to him 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: about it. 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: Yes, I personally have a personal affection for Lenny because 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: he is the writer who created Kimmy Gibbler and I 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: cannot wait to pick his brain about this. He's known 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: us since the very beginning, and we're so excited to 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: walk down memory lane with him. 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: Here he is, Lenny Rips. 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Lenny, we haven't seen you since the original Full House, 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: like for thirty something years, we haven't seen you. 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: It's really extraordinary because full House is with me all 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 4: the time. I get upgrades and and I cut the line. 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: See people, Hey, that's that's it, you know it was. 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: It was good for a lot of line cutting. 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 5: There you go, And it's interesting how beloved. 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: It is, so so beloved. 24 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 6: I yes, we just went to I just went to 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 6: nineties Con this weekend where they do a bunch of 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 6: different shows. Oh my gosh, Like the fans absolutely lose 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 6: their mind over Full House. It's it's so great and 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 6: it's such a it's such a crazy thing that it's 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 6: still going after all these years. 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: And it's interesting because it was such a struggle to 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: figure it out. 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, the first season we were like, oh, I don't know, guys. 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 4: The issues were that we were not used to writing 34 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: family shows, you know, I mean I came The first 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 4: people I wrote for was Joan Rivers and Rodney Daangerfield 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 4: and Bette Middller. 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 5: You know what I mean. 38 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: I mean that blows my mind. 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: Wait, you got to tell this story because this is 40 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: crazy how you met Joan Rivers. 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 6: I'm getting everyone's history because yeah, things that we didn't 42 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 6: know about when we were kids that now were like, 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 6: oh my god. We were like everyone was legendary that 44 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 6: we were working with and we had no idea. 45 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: We're just bopping around. 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 5: Like, well, okay, I'll tell you. 47 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 4: I got out of college with a degree in film history, 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 4: which is worthless, but it's but for four years you got. 49 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: But for four years you love it right. 50 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like getting a degree in show. 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 2: And tell you know right, right, which is also called 52 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: a theater degree. 53 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 5: But so I got out of school and it was 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 5: a recession. 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 4: There weren't a lot of jobs, so I moved back 56 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 4: to Baltimore just to look for work. 57 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 5: I did eight different things, and I became a social worker. 58 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 6: Really yeah, my husband's a social worker, so I love it, yea. 59 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: So I did that for three years, and in the interim, 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: some friends of mine and I started a downtown newspaper okay, 61 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: and I wrote restaurant reviews and a boxing column and 62 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 4: it was pretty funny. And a woman who worked for 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 4: the state of Maryland read it and was doing bicycle 64 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: training films for children, okay, and hired me to write 65 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: these little films. And in the interim, Joan Rivers came 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 4: to Baltimore and this friend of mine, this woman is 67 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 4: the most aggressive person I've ever met. And she walked 68 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: backstage and she said to Joan Rivers, I have a 69 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: friend who's really funny. John says, great to have him 70 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 4: come tomorrow night for the show. I'd like to read 71 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: his jokes. 72 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: Wow. 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: This friend of mine called me the next morning and 74 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 4: said John wants to read your jokes, says I've never 75 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: written a joke. 76 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: Is that I don't have any order to read. 77 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: But yeah, but but but I mean I was funny 78 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 4: and then super funny, but they weren't. 79 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 5: She was so stupid that he was so fat. 80 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: That right, So I sat down and I wrote ten 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 4: jokes and I went backstage and she didn't went on 82 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: stage and killed and she used it interact for five years. 83 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 5: Oh my god. My first joke was my mother's allows 84 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 5: the cook she serves ketchup as a vegetable. It was 85 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 5: a big joke. That's great, And I got seven dollars 86 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 5: and fifty cents. 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: Wow, and every week, which is still a lot for 88 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: comedy these days. 89 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: Right, So every week I sent her fifty jokes, okay, 90 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 4: and she would buy one or two. 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 5: But in turning them down you begin to understand waiting 92 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 5: jokes is about syntax and vocabulary, and John Rivers wouldn't 93 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 5: say those words are not in that order. 94 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,119 Speaker 3: Right, you still find her voice? 95 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and stand up. Do you have a very very 96 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: definite way you tell jokes you tell stories? 97 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah. 98 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 4: But great line for the old comedy writers was I 99 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 4: think Jewish rage gentown. Well, you know, which means put 100 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: your sensibility. 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 6: I mean, so many of the best comedians comedy writers 102 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 6: are Jewish and there is a certain. 103 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 5: You. 104 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: I find that it's great writing, so but not a ca. 105 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: Can't came out here. And I hung out with the 106 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 4: comedy story in the ambrov and started writing jokes. And 107 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 4: Joan Rivers was out of town for the for three 108 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 4: months and so, and when she came back and down, 109 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: she got me a few interviews. And I started in 110 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 4: variety televisions okay with uh for for Dick Van Dyke 111 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: and Captain and t'aneil who you I. 112 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: Guess Captain and t'anil muskrat Love come on. 113 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: And all of these hockey shows, right, And I wrote 114 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 4: the Star Wars Holiday special. 115 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 3: Oh, well, we're going to get to that. 116 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: We're going to get to that because Andrea watched it. 117 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: Well try to, I'm sorry. 118 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: So then after that I was doing pretty well in variety, 119 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 4: and my agent said, Vriety is dying. 120 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 5: You got to this sitcom. 121 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 4: And so I took a pay kind of half to 122 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 4: get back into sitcom. And so that's how I got started. 123 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 4: And then I wrote features and other things. I wrote 124 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 4: Full House. 125 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: So how did you get involved with Full House? Did 126 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: you meet Jeff Franklin. 127 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 5: And he put and I were doing Bosom Buddies. 128 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, was doing Buddies. 129 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 5: Jeff was a. 130 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: Consultant one Buddies, Okay, so he would come in a 131 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 4: few days a week to punch up and look at stories, 132 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, he was very helpful obviously. 133 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's where we met. 134 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: How did you wind up on Bosom Buddies? Just through 135 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 2: the the. 136 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 5: In the business, I had done a show for Paramount. 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: With Angie who was in Saturday Night Fever. 138 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 5: Donna was the girl in the backseat and really really 139 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 5: talented person. 140 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: So that was my first full time sit coup there 141 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: and Paramount was very much a family then everybody knew everybody. Yeah, 142 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: and when some Buddies came up, I was young and 143 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 4: was and Buddies at the time was a very very 144 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: hip show. 145 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh gosh huge. 146 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 5: So I was new blood or. 147 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: The Paramount a lot, and I got an interview and 148 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 4: it worked out. And again, guys, that was the difficulty. 149 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: You go from some Buddies where we're doing tattooed jokes 150 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 4: and sexual jokes to a full house you've got to 151 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 4: figure out. 152 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he has a lot. 153 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: Actually, that explains a lot about the season one. 154 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 5: Well, we were just trying to find our way with 155 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 5: kids without writing adult jokes that kids are. 156 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 6: Saying, right, And also, like the show, you know, originally 157 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 6: was the about three comics, and it really was kind 158 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 6: of more focused on the adults on the guys, which 159 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 6: was most show. Most shows that had kids in it 160 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 6: were about the adults and the kids were kind of 161 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 6: the side pieces. And Full House was one of the first, 162 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 6: like real big family sitcoms that the kids were just 163 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 6: as important I feel like in the storylines and in 164 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 6: what was going on in the house and the scenes 165 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 6: as the adults were. And I feel like that that 166 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 6: wasn't the case always with a lot of. 167 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 4: You know, I think what we discovered is if the 168 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: story was not while the family was important, it was 169 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 4: the journey of the kids. 170 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 171 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: And I think the success was it was a time 172 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: in America when families were falling apart and everything was 173 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 4: very very different, that kids didn't have moms and dads 174 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 4: like they always did. Everything was changed, and Full House, 175 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: I think, in a positive way, gave validation and approval 176 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 4: to that. It says you can have an unc medicinal 177 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 4: family and still have a wonderful, loving family. 178 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's that is a message that so many 179 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 6: fans like reiterate to us over and over and over again. 180 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 6: How impactful that was because of how many people out 181 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 6: there that don't have families that look like you know, 182 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 6: quote unquote what yeah they think it's supposed to and 183 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 6: being raised by grandparents or uncles with this and I'm 184 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 6: so glad that full House that we got to be 185 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 6: a voice for making people who maybe didn't feel like 186 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 6: they saw their family on TV feel a little more like, No, 187 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 6: this is family. 188 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: Is who you, who you love, and who raises you, 189 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: and that's what that's what counts. 190 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 4: And it all seem very normal. Yes, you know, I 191 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 4: mean that that's the other thing that I worked for. 192 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 4: This is a very normal family. Although the situation is odd, right, 193 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 4: the family is real. 194 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I. 195 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 4: Think we wanted without knowing it, probably it's something that 196 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 4: we wanted to say. Yeah, I mean, my parents stayed together, 197 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: but that was just for the sake of the dog. 198 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 4: But by and large, kids needed to see there's life 199 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: after divorce. Life yea of a parent. 200 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you could so fine and be stupid and 201 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 5: be dopey and have a great. 202 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 6: Time, but there was definitely there was still heart to 203 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 6: the family that really like was you know, despite all 204 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 6: the ridiculous situations, that they really cared about each other 205 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 6: and it was genuine and and also you know, the 206 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 6: because the cast really cared about each other, that sort 207 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 6: of genuine love and affection was a lot easier to 208 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 6: portray and to write for because we actually enjoyed each other. 209 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: Sometimes the conflict for me and other writers was not 210 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 4: everything ends happy right, right? And we I don't know 211 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: if when I was there, we never got the answer, 212 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: but we never figured it out. But I wanted some 213 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 4: shows to end unhappy. Well, problems weren't solved. 214 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: In a little more realism, right, I haven't wanted. 215 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: To tell this story even a problems learned solve, people 216 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 4: still have each other in life goes on. 217 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an important message. 218 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, but this was a different time in the world 219 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 5: and they didn't want to tell that story. 220 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it was right. 221 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 222 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 6: People definitely wanted things to like, particularly sitcoms, Like I 223 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 6: wanted to kind of wrap up and know that there's 224 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 6: an ending and know that everything's going to be okay. 225 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 6: I'm also like you and a little more like well, 226 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 6: but sometimes you know, it's not all tied up in 227 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 6: a nice little bow in twenty two minutes. But I 228 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 6: think there was also something really appealing about that to 229 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 6: people that because you don't get that, people were like, 230 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 6: oh great, I just want to see some family look 231 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 6: like they're getting it together. 232 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 233 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that was right, by the way, I'm 234 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: saying that that was something that we sometimes talked about. 235 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I bet, because you know, Full House was. 236 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 6: Everything worked out okay and everyone ended with a hug, 237 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 6: and that's you know, that's not life, but it was. 238 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: But that's okay, it is. But my ratulation was that 239 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 5: fantasy is okay to. 240 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 241 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 6: And I think that that fantasy of family always sticking 242 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 6: together and working it out and ending it with a 243 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 6: hug and nobody getting really ever that mad like that 244 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 6: was a huge appeal of the show because so many 245 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 6: kids tell us like, I grew up in a in 246 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 6: an absolute absolutely chaotic household and everyone was screaming and 247 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 6: everyone was this, and so to see a family that 248 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 6: like can be upset at each other or something, but 249 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 6: then work it out and it's not it doesn't turn 250 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 6: into a big thing, and they hug it out and 251 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 6: everyone like that gave so many people hope that like, 252 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 6: you know what, my family might be kind of crazy, 253 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 6: but like, this is possible. It is possible to talk 254 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 6: through things and work it out. And I'm that's awesome. 255 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 4: If I had to do it now, I think I 256 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: might make Because the world's a different place. I think 257 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 4: you could tell all those works complicate the stories and 258 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: now for. 259 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, for sure. 260 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 6: And I think on Fuller we were able to do 261 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 6: a little bit more right because the sensibility is a 262 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 6: little bit different. People are kind of like, look, you 263 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 6: can't everything isn't perfect. But and also you were adults, Yeah, exactly, exactly. 264 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 6: How so had you written for any kids before? 265 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 5: Well, as I say, I mean the. 266 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: Bicycle videos that you had started with, but that was 267 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: really well. 268 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,359 Speaker 5: But being a social. 269 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 4: Worker, I worked with the kids, so I hadn't necessarily 270 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 4: written for them. I knew how to listen to them. 271 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 6: You really did, You really did, and you you wrote 272 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 6: some of the greatest, no really, some of the greatest 273 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 6: episodes for the kids in those in those early seasons. 274 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 2: You really like brought a voice to the young people 275 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: of this show. 276 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 6: And your and your humor and all of that, Like 277 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 6: so much of that is evident in Steph and you 278 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 6: know kind of the smart ass comments and stuff. 279 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: It's really well helped shaper. I love it. 280 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you wrote some of my favorite episodes, like the 281 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: chicken pox episode, so season one, the oat boat commercial, 282 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: you wrote that one. Just one of the guys with 283 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: Kirk Cameron, you wrote that one, Like all of my 284 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: favorite episodes. 285 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 5: Say wow wow, So thank you for residuals. I still 286 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 5: get them. 287 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: You're welcome. Well, well, those were a thing too, you know, 288 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: the gifts that keeps on giving me and I. 289 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 5: Made friends on the show that are still friends today. 290 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: Oh I love that. 291 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 6: That is That's the one like common thing throughout the 292 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 6: cast and the crew, As everyone says, I like, I 293 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 6: still talk to people that I met thirty some odd 294 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 6: years ago on that set and we just clicked. 295 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: It was just such a family. 296 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: It was. 297 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: We were really really fortunate. 298 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 5: In terms of the writer's staff. We were there eighty 299 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 5: hours a week. 300 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you guys were That's the thing writers packed. 301 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 6: You know, nobody knows it, but writers are like, are 302 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 6: there all hours of the day and night. They're in 303 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 6: the writer's room. They they're basically trapped in there. They're 304 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 6: fed pizza and crusts of bread, no. 305 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: Energy drinks. 306 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're locked in a room. 307 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 4: No, but it is. 308 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 6: I mean the writing staff is put in heavy, heavy, 309 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 6: heavy hours and really spends a lot of time in. 310 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 5: The being in battle. These are your comrades. 311 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of juggling you have to do 312 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: because you're writing scripts that are coming up in the 313 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: future while revising the current script that we're shooting this week. 314 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of manipulation of your brain. You 315 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: have to thinking forward but staying you know, current as well. 316 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 6: Benny, I don't know if you know this, but Andrea 317 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 6: actually wrote an episode of Fuller House at the end. 318 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 6: Is an incredible writer, and so she got to write 319 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 6: an episode. So she she was was there in the 320 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 6: writer's room. 321 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: With well and it blew my mind. 322 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: It was so great to get experience because as actors, 323 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: we don't see the script until it's the table draft, 324 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, till we're there for the table reading. 325 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: So I had no idea. 326 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: This process starts like three months in advance, where you 327 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: have to submit an idea and then you know, a 328 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: one pager and then an outline, and every single step 329 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: has to get approved by the network and the studio. 330 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: It's a very involved process and. 331 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 4: The pus at the end of the day, we don't 332 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 4: want the audience to see how you make the sausage right. 333 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 6: Because the sausage does not usually look good in the 334 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 6: very beginning. The sausage, the sausage that we start with 335 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 6: looks nothing like what's put on the plate, you. 336 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. 337 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, for the hell of it, I was doing an 338 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 5: episode of bos and Buddy. 339 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 4: I saved everything from the first page to the final 340 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: shooting strip, and it's a document. 341 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 5: This big, Oh my gods, and there's many colors. 342 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: And right, yeah, there's oh yeah, there's the whole color 343 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: of you know, rainbow of pages you go through. But 344 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: what a cool process to like see. 345 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 6: Really how you know, you you don't quite think you're like, oh, 346 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 6: there's a revision, there's this, but like it's constant going over, 347 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 6: No this doesn't work, and we get it and put 348 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 6: it up on our feet and we're like, no, this 349 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 6: doesn't work, you know, and like it's just a constant 350 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 6: process of like that Now that sucked. 351 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: Don't do that. Now try this? Now that sucked too, 352 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: you know. 353 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 354 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 4: People would ask me how long does it take to 355 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 4: do a script? My answer is until you shoot it. 356 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: Right, and even then you may go back and shoot 357 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: it again. 358 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: That's right. 359 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 4: I mean I've worked on plenty of shows where we 360 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 4: would redo entire acts on a Friday evening. 361 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 5: It was not great for the actors. 362 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 6: No, No, I think we've had to do that a 363 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 6: couple times, where we had to go back and shoot 364 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 6: something from like a couple of weeks previous or whatever. 365 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 2: And yeah, you're like, oh, I've already let this out 366 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: of my brain. I can't go back. 367 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: It's also a very collaborative process. Once you get to 368 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: a certain draft of your script, then it's turned over 369 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: to the writer's room where you all got to collaborate 370 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: and pitch your jokes. Can you talk a little bit 371 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: about writer's room dynamics. 372 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the writer's room is my favorite place. If 373 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 4: I have any skill at all is that I'm a 374 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 4: pretty decent joke writer. 375 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and I'm very. 376 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 4: Fast and I stutter. So my joke always was I'm 377 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 4: faster than you, and I stutter. And I get more 378 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 4: jokes in. But the writer's room is sports. 379 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you're tableful of people who are all friends 380 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 5: until you sit at the table and becomes competitive. Right. 381 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 4: I mean, you all say you're working, you all say 382 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 4: you're working for the same script, and you're all part 383 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 4: of the same team. But I want to get my 384 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 4: damn joke in right, and I want to get as 385 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 4: many jokes that I wrote into that script as possible, right, 386 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 4: Because writers have egos the same way actors do. We 387 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 4: express our our egos is when you write a script 388 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: and you hear your joke right, and he gets laughs. 389 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 4: So the writers is at full house. Jeff Franklin, because 390 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 4: it was he ran the show, you would sit in 391 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 4: the room and you'd The process is from the first outline. 392 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 5: You go everything line by line. 393 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 4: And so you do the outline and you like it, 394 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 4: and then you write a second draft and you like it, 395 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 4: and then you send the outline out to the producers 396 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 4: and the executives and the studio and other people who 397 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: know nothing. 398 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: And and then that you have to incorporate all you 399 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 2: got to figure out how do you do notes? 400 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 5: You don't have to do everybody's notes. 401 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 4: What I would do is do the really stupid easy 402 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 4: notes and someoneuld say this, characters should change, you should 403 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 4: do that line, and we need a green vase. I 404 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 4: changed the vase, and I tell them what a brilliant 405 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 4: idea was. Now the vase makes it work? 406 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there was tell them it was their idea. 407 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: That's brilliant. It's great. 408 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it makes sense because listen, everybody wants to 409 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 4: feel part of it. Yeah, right, I mean, every idiot 410 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: executive wants to sit home with his family. 411 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 5: And say that was my idea. Yep. And so you 412 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 5: do that, you know, because you. 413 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: Want to stay in the air, right, and you don't 414 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: want to give into anything that's substantial, right, So you know, 415 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 4: let him change the decoration on the tree. 416 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: Right as much as you can, right, You let that 417 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: And it's it's very much a like, okay, what you know. 418 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 6: I think a lot of people think, especially when you 419 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 6: are a super successful writer, actor, and. 420 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: You know there's a little more pull. But there's always 421 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: a committee of people above you going yes, no, we 422 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: like it, we don't like it. This sucks? 423 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 4: Can it? 424 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 5: We're all free. 425 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 6: No matter where you are on the ladder, there's always 426 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 6: someone about you going nope, you know, and that's this 427 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 6: business is like you have to learn, like, Okay, what 428 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 6: are my battles, what are the things that I really 429 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 6: want to pick? What are the things that I have 430 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 6: to do to make some other people happy because they're 431 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 6: here and I've got to all kind of work together. 432 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 6: And it is it's just such a collaborative process, and 433 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 6: sometimes it's so difficult because it's a collaborative process with 434 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 6: a bunch of really creative people. 435 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 5: Who take the collatter process. 436 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 4: On stage, Yes, when I would get notes from the 437 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 4: guys or you that made sense, Okay, the words were 438 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 4: in your mouth, you know, if they work better than 439 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 4: I do. As long as you get the ideas right, 440 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: you're want to change words, that's okay. If the ideas 441 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 4: don't work with your character, let's talk about it. These 442 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 4: are valid conversations. 443 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: Usually, right, I agree. 444 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 4: So, so there's this process you're juggling, so you're working 445 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: when ideas and outlines and drafts, you knowing it's all 446 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 4: of this at the same time. 447 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 5: That's really exciting. 448 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 6: It's super exciting, and you guys don't really see it 449 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 6: like on its feet until. 450 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: Well into the process. 451 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 5: Do you remember when I brought in the violinist, what 452 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 5: you did wait for what reason? 453 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 4: At a Monday reading, we always in the show act 454 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 4: in the last act, in. 455 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 5: The heart scene was always right right. One Monday at 456 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 5: a reading, I hired a violinist. 457 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: No you did not. I think I do remember that 458 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: scene you. 459 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 5: Want the violin as you were doing the table. 460 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: I really I do remember this that you bring it. 461 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: That is genius. That is I didn't we think that 462 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: ourselves for fl brilliant. 463 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 6: It was like on Fuller we had one of the 464 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 6: who was it that dressed up once and to do 465 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 6: like a they one of the writers was was reading 466 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 6: one of the guests starring Rolls, and they like showed 467 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 6: up as. 468 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: Just as the Russian woman in the dressing room. 469 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 6: The dress root right right right, but they showed up 470 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 6: like and just saying like the writers still love, they 471 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 6: love coming in and doing something fun and ridiculous that 472 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 6: are reading like, but that's brilliant. 473 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: Just hiring a violinist. 474 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 5: I mean, people get so angry. 475 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: Oh man, if you if you did that today, there 476 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: would be one hundred social media videos about it. 477 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I wish we had evidence of this all. 478 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 6: All I'm saying is I'm finding someone who plays violin, 479 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 6: and I'm just gonna have that number on me at 480 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 6: all times. 481 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 5: So and everything is always changing. 482 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 4: And then so the first day they read the script, 483 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 4: you get everybody's notes, you redo those notes. So sometimes 484 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 4: it's a couple of hours. Sometimes someone looks in and says, 485 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 4: who wrote this ship and throws it away, and right, yeah, yeah. 486 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 4: The evening that's the goes out to the actors, the director. 487 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 4: The next day, the writers come in and start working 488 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 4: on next week script as you guys are rehearsing that 489 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: Tuesday afternoon, we come and see the rehearsal. We start 490 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 4: hearing from you guys what works, what doesn't work. The 491 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 4: director has a meeting with us. We do the rewrite 492 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 4: one Tuesday night. That could be small or big depending 493 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: on Wednesday, we're working on the next leek script. You 494 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 4: guys are rehearsing and sending us notes saying that the right, 495 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 4: this joke didn't. 496 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 5: Work, or this move it we're doing that right. 497 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: Thursday is camera blocking, where one of us is in 498 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 4: the studio watching a essentially a dress rehearsal with the cameras. 499 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 4: At that point we try to do as little rewriting 500 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: as possible. I think on Thursday night you got very 501 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 4: few notes. 502 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: Usually yeah, Thursday night. 503 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 6: Usually between like pre tape day which was Thursday and 504 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 6: show day, there was we didn't do too much. 505 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: Re because the actors have already memorized. 506 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 6: On Fuller, I feel like we did a few times. 507 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 6: There was a couple of times that we did a 508 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 6: lot of big rewrites. I think usually when the when 509 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 6: the legacy cast was there, I think Thursday and Friday 510 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 6: was always like they were like, ah, we don't like 511 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 6: any of this because John Well, John was always rewriting his. 512 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: Life, would rewrite everything. Were like the seventeen new pages 513 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: right like on show night and we're like, what is this. 514 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 5: We felt that with a young cast that just right. 515 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you can't be changing It's it's really hard 516 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 6: to change all of that on the on the kids 517 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 6: that that was when we were older. 518 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: Then we could adapt to it. I mean we still 519 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: were like, what the hell is all these new pages? 520 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 4: But oh, by the way, you do a joke better 521 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 4: if you're practiced for a week then if you heard 522 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 4: it ten minutes ago. So I don't think it gets better. 523 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 5: I think it just gets different, right, I agree, which. 524 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: Is always the challenge for writers. We love jokes because 525 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: they're fresh, right, Well, if you hurt them five times, 526 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 4: they don't seem funny, so you change them. But they 527 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 4: are finding thought, it's just never heard them before. So 528 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 4: how do you trust your material? 529 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's trusting the material. 530 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 6: And it's also I find as an actor finding something 531 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 6: in it that I find amusing, or that I can 532 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 6: that that I can pick out and do something different 533 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 6: with or or you know, a different emphasis or a 534 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 6: different something to make a joke stay fresh. 535 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 4: And but that's also the art of the comment writer 536 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 4: is to put it in those words right, so it 537 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: sounds like you thought of it, not like you read 538 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 4: it right. 539 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 5: And with characters like Jody and Him, those characters led 540 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 5: themselves to big jokes. 541 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yes, right, I mean they were always easy 542 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 4: to write for because basically you got bunchlines. 543 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 2: Yeah we were. 544 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 6: We were the zingy punchlines, the sarcastic, you know, one liners, 545 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 6: the all. 546 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 5: Of that, and uh, and Kimmy didn't have to be realistic. 547 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 3: No, Kimmy was anything. Anything goes with Kimmy Gibbler. 548 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, Kimmy was you could be she was a wild 549 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 6: card and could say or do her family could you 550 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 6: never saw them, so they were that you could make 551 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 6: fun of them all you wanted with ridiculous stuff like 552 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 6: it was. 553 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 5: She was. 554 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 2: It must have been such a fun character to write 555 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 2: for because it was like. 556 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was in many ways the freest character. 557 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: Yell and you you. 558 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: Wrote the first episode that I appeared in the first 559 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: day of I created, So. 560 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: You created Kimmy Gibbler. 561 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 5: Yes, that was my idea. 562 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: Like, oh my gosh, I have so many questions I've 563 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: never asked you, like I tell me the like tell 564 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: me these conversations you had in the writer's room. What 565 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: notes did you get about Kimmy Gibbler, How did you 566 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: shape this character? 567 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 3: What was in your brain? Tell me everything. 568 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 4: No, we just wanted someone really funny and stupid without 569 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 4: any responsibility. 570 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 5: Okay, just as any character. 571 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody was so conventional, true, and it was important 572 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 4: to us that an unconventional character. 573 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: A contrast to the Tanners. 574 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 5: And that's always been part of it comes. 575 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: Right, is the weird neighbor. 576 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 6: Well, it sort of presents itself as a foil, like 577 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 6: you said, to the conventionalism. And also it's now an 578 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 6: outside observer that's constantly in the Tanner House that can 579 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 6: kind of say the things that maybe the audience is thinking. 580 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 3: Or maybe like you know, the Greek Greek chorus way. 581 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: To say the unrealistic crazy stuff, right. You know, she 582 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 4: didn't have to be logical, it didn't have to be 583 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 4: this family person tried to make a go. She said 584 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 4: whatever she wanted. 585 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,239 Speaker 3: To say, and to the adults too. 586 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: I was very snappy with the adults and Bob Saggett 587 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: in particular, Kimmy, Kimmy and Danny had that dynamic where 588 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: they were just lob barbs at each other. 589 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 5: But that evolved. That happened because we saw, you kid, 590 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 5: Kimmy and Saggot we're good together. Yeah. 591 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: We we were about to review an episode where it's 592 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: one of the first interactions between Kimmy and Danny where 593 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: it's just like, oh. 594 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: My gosh, here it is the genesis. 595 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, it really like you see it starting and you're like, oh, yeah, 596 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 6: they kind of start off with like, oh, Kimmy's annoying, 597 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 6: but and you kind of see like Kimmy's annoying, but 598 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 6: also like they kind of they tolerator but like toss 599 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 6: jokes back and forth. 600 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: You know, like it's a But at first we just 601 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 4: wondered her to be funny, right, and then finds up, well, 602 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 4: you know, we got to give him more. 603 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 5: Let's make him more of a person. 604 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 605 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 5: Do you remember early when she walked in, gave a zinger, 606 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 5: and left. 607 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 608 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in one scene, the first scene, and 609 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: then I was out for the rest of the episode. 610 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: In those in the first season. 611 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 5: Kimmy was an eight year old Don Rickles. 612 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: That's a great, great discrimation. 613 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 5: I mean that's how I saw her. I always saw 614 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 5: her as Don Rickles. 615 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: His personality. What a compliment. 616 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: So did you ever wish we would have met Kimmy's parents? 617 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: Like I know, we meet her brother in Fuller House, 618 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: but we never met Garth. We never met mister and 619 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: missus Gibbler. Was there any talk about introducing the Gibblers? 620 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 5: But when I was there, there was no talk about it. 621 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 5: It's awesome. I think it's funnier to have sometimes have 622 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 5: imaginary characters. 623 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 3: I'll accept that answer. 624 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 5: I'm not saying that's truthful for all the time. 625 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but sometimes you can reference people that are Yeah, but. 626 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 5: When I was there was a pretty big cast, so 627 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 5: we never talked about that. 628 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: We only we just like, yeah, how that house was? 629 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: There was just too many damn people in that house. 630 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 5: Oh. 631 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: I love Lenny so much. 632 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 6: What a pleasure to talk to him after all this time, 633 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 6: and he is still funny and witty and sharp as ever. 634 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, He's just that was so special. 635 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to ask him about how he come 636 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: he came up with Kimmy Gibbler in that character, right, 637 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: that was so special, so special. 638 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: I'm so glad. 639 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 6: I'm so glad we got to have him on the 640 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 6: show so that you and our audience could finally have 641 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 6: all of the answers that they wanted about the creation 642 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 6: of Kimmy Gibler Kimberly Gibbler. 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And remember the world is small, but the 659 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 6: house is full. 660 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: Oh you, and you delivered it with attitude like I 661 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: can hear it in your voice. 662 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 3: You are confident. 663 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: It's on a bracelet. 664 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 3: Oh wait, someone put it on a bracelet that's brilliant, 665 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 3: so you can wear it like a cheat sheet. Ye 666 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 3: bat at inks nights gone 667 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 2: H