Speaker 1: What's going on, guys. It's your boy, easy Bus. So
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of Legit Check. We're out here
Speaker 1: with my boy tamer At, Tamer, Magic, Tamer, Caffiti, tam
Speaker 1: or the Hammer. There's so many different nicknames that I
Speaker 1: call you, most of which that I can't really say
Speaker 1: on the show. Basically, Tamer is like my best friend.
Speaker 1: I've known him forever since what seventh grade and one
Speaker 1: of the few people I talked to every single day.
Speaker 1: He's a magician, very talented, very smart individual, and look
Speaker 1: out for him. He's doing some pretty cool things that
Speaker 1: are going to be coming to Fruition soon with the
Speaker 1: whole magic scene. So there you go. There's your little intro.
Speaker 1: That's probably the nicest thing I've ever said to you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, what's up everyone, Yeah, it's Tamer, as
Speaker 1: easy Buss have just said. Also Tim too. He called
Speaker 1: me that, So I have a lot of nicknames. Oh shoot,
Speaker 1: sorry that I yeah, I see, that's just so subconscious.
Speaker 1: Yeah I know. Um, yeah, I went by Timmy when
Speaker 1: we were kids and now I'm Tamer. Yeah, they're we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well Tammer is your real name, but in middle school
Speaker 1: people couldn't pronounce it right, So you so you just
Speaker 1: went by Timmy. Yeah, they would just say a tamer
Speaker 1: or Tamir. Yeah, so I was like, yo, it's it's
Speaker 1: pronounced timmy. Yeah. So so yeah, it's funny because only
Speaker 1: like your o G like close friends call you Timmy.
Speaker 1: Still yeah, whenever I hear the name Timmy, I kind
Speaker 1: of looked like, wait, high school, like middle school, elementary school.
Speaker 1: But now you go by Tamar, and it's still weird
Speaker 1: for me. I can't call you Tamar. I will call
Speaker 1: you Tamara on the show today, but in general, it's
Speaker 1: still very strange to me. So give us an idea
Speaker 1: of how like you started with the whole magic thing,
Speaker 1: because obviously that's like something that's extremely unique, like it's
Speaker 1: not every day that you meet a magician or someone
Speaker 1: who like it's a member of the castle, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I started about a week ago and I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like I just hit the Bobby Schmurder
Speaker 1: reference right there. But now, so I started magic when
Speaker 1: I was like, what was thirteen years ago? So I'm
Speaker 1: twenty three now, so that makes me ten years old. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I started at that time. I was on a plane
Speaker 1: and there was an old man who was sitting next
Speaker 1: to me, and who did he did a coin trick
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if he was a magician
Speaker 1: or he was a hobbyist or I don't know, but
Speaker 1: he did a trick to me. He made the coin disappear.
Speaker 1: He made it reappear out of the plane window. And uh,
Speaker 1: when I saw that, because I could see on the
Speaker 1: other side of the window, I didn't see the coin
Speaker 1: go through. And so that's what I really thought was
Speaker 1: like the magic moment that really sparked my interest. And
Speaker 1: then you know, over time, I I just kind of
Speaker 1: had more encounters with magicians or just the magic world
Speaker 1: in general. There was a person at the church I
Speaker 1: used to go to who would kind of teach me
Speaker 1: a trick or two just to see where I would
Speaker 1: take it, if I would actually practice it, or I
Speaker 1: would just kind of drop it after a week, like
Speaker 1: a high percentage of people do, because everyone gets magic
Speaker 1: kids when they're young, or a lot of people do,
Speaker 1: or they have look on YouTube or something that they
Speaker 1: get into it for the most part, but they get
Speaker 1: out of it really quick. And the trick is to
Speaker 1: stay in it long enough so you could see kind
Speaker 1: of the fruit of the labor, because the first few
Speaker 1: years you're not gonna, you know, be that great. You
Speaker 1: gotta really you gotta fail, you gotta go out there.
Speaker 1: So I you know, I met that guy on the
Speaker 1: plane he did the coin trick. I kind of started
Speaker 1: and started with kids. I stole my brother's magic kit
Speaker 1: and you know, so he could have been a magician,
Speaker 1: but I took it from him. Yeah. From there, Uh
Speaker 1: and then was it two thousand and ten, so that
Speaker 1: was ten years ago. I auditioned to be a part
Speaker 1: of the Magic Castle's junior program, and so that's when
Speaker 1: I was like twelve years old, twelve or thirteen, and
Speaker 1: so I got in after the second time. I didn't
Speaker 1: get it on the first time, so I had a
Speaker 1: re audition six months later, got in on the second time.
Speaker 1: I've been a member since, and you know, occasionally I'll
Speaker 1: perform at the Castle and it's just a really good
Speaker 1: area to meet uh, coolman aitian see cool magic, meet
Speaker 1: cool people, bring people. You know, you've been there, so
Speaker 1: it's super dope. Yeah. So yeah, and then they got
Speaker 1: the castle and now you know, just kind of grinding
Speaker 1: and doing magic, that's what's up. So it's funny because
Speaker 1: you said the first couple of years, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: be that great. You're still not not that great, not
Speaker 1: that a little bit better than not that great. But
Speaker 1: it's an upward you know, And I'm just exponentially. I'm
Speaker 1: just you just gotta it's it's a skill. It's a skill.
Speaker 1: And didn't you have to like acquire your medicalorians through
Speaker 1: the Magic Council in order to be where you are today? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what a medic lorian is, but
Speaker 1: that was a Star Wars reference. If you got that, Like,
Speaker 1: you're a real o g Okay, but yeah, I like
Speaker 1: Iron Man, I don't watch Okay, well huh, I slowly
Speaker 1: I'm going to demote you from the best friend position.
Speaker 1: But so, because I remember growing up in middle school,
Speaker 1: you always were like doing magic tricks and I thought
Speaker 1: it was like I was like, I was like what
Speaker 1: the hell, Like what is this? You know? But I
Speaker 1: thought it was so cool watching the street performers in
Speaker 1: Vegas like that was like the first real encounter I
Speaker 1: had with like a magician, and I never really like
Speaker 1: understood how anything was done. Now I kind of hanging
Speaker 1: out with you and I get some of the things,
Speaker 1: but there's only only some. Yeah, but but you don't
Speaker 1: tell me anything, even though I try to pry it
Speaker 1: out of you. But like sometimes it's like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: like some simple tricks, like you can pick up on
Speaker 1: it if you've seen it enough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But but there's certain ship that's like literally what the fuck?
Speaker 1: You know, Like some of the stuff that you were
Speaker 1: showing me last night, I was like, I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: so you're working with the magician right now? That kind
Speaker 1: of has those like WTF moments? Right, Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: a he has a pretty big following, and he's just
Speaker 1: kind of amassed a big crowd and a big audience
Speaker 1: over the years. It's been great. I've been learning a
Speaker 1: lot about like show production and everything. I've learned some
Speaker 1: of the stuff, and like school I go to in Vegas,
Speaker 1: like a magic school and like Hogwarts, but like now
Speaker 1: I get to see it put in action whenever, like
Speaker 1: we go and do shows, and I think it's really
Speaker 1: cool that. You know, that's a whole another side of magic,
Speaker 1: the show production. That's a side of theater that a
Speaker 1: lot of people maybe don't think of to get into.
Speaker 1: But it's a really cool thing to at least explore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So what do you think it's kind of
Speaker 1: like your next step to maybe get yourself to that
Speaker 1: platform that that the person you're working with we can't
Speaker 1: name him, the man who shall not be named again.
Speaker 1: Another Harry Potter reference is that like a boltemort reference.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I read I read that when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, So I don't really remember. But would
Speaker 1: your goal be to kind of like do the same
Speaker 1: thing that that person is doing or or is it
Speaker 1: kind of like do you want to do more street
Speaker 1: performing rather than I don't know, I mean, like, are
Speaker 1: you trying to like follow in his footsteps or is
Speaker 1: it more so? Um? So I just want to learn
Speaker 1: the ropes and kind of see what you're good at,
Speaker 1: see what you like. Yeah, that's that's exactly. I want
Speaker 1: to learn the rope, see what I'm good at, learn
Speaker 1: how to build a better show. What I do know
Speaker 1: for sure is that I want magic to be a
Speaker 1: part of my life. Um and I just want to
Speaker 1: get better and better at it. And uh, just being
Speaker 1: exposed to professionals and the industry and having good teachers
Speaker 1: and everything helps me do that. And so yeah, I
Speaker 1: just try to keep advancing and uh, wherever the wind
Speaker 1: takes me, you know, just keep trying to set high
Speaker 1: goals along the path and it just kind of builds,
Speaker 1: it builds to something greater that I don't exactly have
Speaker 1: planned out, but yeah, that's my technique. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: been really cool for me to kind of like see
Speaker 1: you progress and you know, and get better and better
Speaker 1: at magic. And I feel like recently you've kind of
Speaker 1: like went full force on like magic, like you kind
Speaker 1: of started practicing like newer things that are like the
Speaker 1: w TF moments? Right, So what do you think the
Speaker 1: most important thing in magic? But what to you is
Speaker 1: more interesting like when you see someone before actually know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard for you to judge that, I
Speaker 1: guess because you are a magician. But are you like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like that like a skill is a
Speaker 1: crazy or are you looking for like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like what like how like what do I look at
Speaker 1: when I see Yeah, like what what what entertains you more?
Speaker 1: The skill? Or like the w TF factor? Well, the
Speaker 1: WTF factor definitely when I was younger, just like, oh,
Speaker 1: how was the trick done? Because that's kind of the
Speaker 1: first question a lot of people ask, but now you know,
Speaker 1: when you get into magic for such a long time
Speaker 1: and you learn um a lot of techniques and a
Speaker 1: lot of methods, and you're just around the community and
Speaker 1: you just kind of start to pick up on the
Speaker 1: methods and how things are done, you kind of look
Speaker 1: for something else when you perform. When you watch performers,
Speaker 1: for example, like you'll be looking at their showmanship and
Speaker 1: how well they execute the moves, even though you know
Speaker 1: how to do it, how they do it, like how
Speaker 1: well do they do it? How well do they interact
Speaker 1: with the audience, how well do they recover from mess
Speaker 1: ups or um. Yeah, And because that really goes to
Speaker 1: show that shows you how good a performer is, not
Speaker 1: when they do it right, but when they don't do
Speaker 1: it right and how they recover. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: like a big defining moment of like how good a
Speaker 1: performer is. So for you, it's it's more interesting to
Speaker 1: actually see the skill behind it right, even if you
Speaker 1: don't know how they did it. For you, it's like
Speaker 1: oh wow, like that's crazy, how he just tripped but
Speaker 1: he made the show or whatever, because it happens. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're human, you know, things happen, especially especially in live entertainment.
Speaker 1: So it's funny because I've seen you pretend to mess up, right,
Speaker 1: That's a technique that I do. I um, and it's
Speaker 1: funny and it's great. Yeah, it's kind of like I
Speaker 1: guess my style is a little bit of putting someone
Speaker 1: in like a roller coaster of emotions maybe like I
Speaker 1: mess up, and so that kind of don't think highly
Speaker 1: of my magic. But then I completely contradict that, like
Speaker 1: maybe ten twenty seconds later and get them with the trick.
Speaker 1: And that just that transition from really low to really
Speaker 1: high is I think what I like about my style,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what maybe other people like about
Speaker 1: the style too. Well, let's talk about one encounter that
Speaker 1: I saw firsthand, which was cool when you did a
Speaker 1: meta tric for Gary V. Right, just to like set
Speaker 1: up the story and exactly what happened. We went to
Speaker 1: New York for Sneaker New York. I brought all my boys.
Speaker 1: When when was that? What year was that was two years?
Speaker 1: Or three years? That was two thousand and seventeen, I
Speaker 1: want to say, so it's going on three I was
Speaker 1: about to be right, Yeah, yeah, so that's when um,
Speaker 1: because I turned twenty one in two thousand eighteen and
Speaker 1: I wasn't twenty one, so yeah, it's for sure, but um,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't. It was Yeah. So in December,
Speaker 1: we went to New York City, brought all the boys.
Speaker 1: It was fun. We had a great trip and Gary
Speaker 1: V was following me for a while and he was like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: next time you come to New York, hit me up.
Speaker 1: Let's let's have a meeting. And I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So we went to New York and I hit him
Speaker 1: up and he said, a cool, cool, come by the office.
Speaker 1: That's have a meeting. So I was like all right,
Speaker 1: cool first and foremost. That was like one of the
Speaker 1: most intense, crazy like meetings I've ever had in my
Speaker 1: entire life. I felt that I love Gary V. Like
Speaker 1: I love Gary V. I think he's amazing, like honestly
Speaker 1: awesome guy. I think he really tells people what they
Speaker 1: need to hear, which is something that you know, I
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing myself. Um but uh so, anyway, we had
Speaker 1: a meeting, was great, went great, and I brought like
Speaker 1: all my boys would be into the office too. I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck it, right, I'm surprised to let that happen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but you know, he's he's a cool guy.
Speaker 1: He's not like a super corporate like shooting tie, like
Speaker 1: the only one person could come in. Right. That was great.
Speaker 1: It was great. Shout out to all the boys that
Speaker 1: were there. Yeah, shout out to Dylan for being ballsy
Speaker 1: enough to ask a question Dylan. So yeah, Dylan's For
Speaker 1: the people who don't know, Dylan's a friend of mine,
Speaker 1: from a friend of ours, from our middle from from
Speaker 1: my high school. I didn't need it. You didn't go
Speaker 1: to school with him, didn't you know? I met him.
Speaker 1: I met him through you, right, Okay, Yeah, so yeah
Speaker 1: I met Dylan in high school and uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: loved it. He's a character, the things he said. And yeah,
Speaker 1: in the meeting, he asked Gary a random question at
Speaker 1: the very end, Yeah, like, hey, shoot your shot. You know,
Speaker 1: I love the I love that, you know, he like
Speaker 1: said something that was great and it was cool. How
Speaker 1: after you were able to do a magic trick for
Speaker 1: Gary and was filmed, which was cool, right by like
Speaker 1: five cameras in the room. I mean he Gary himself
Speaker 1: has like two people or three people filming. And then
Speaker 1: you were filming or if other people and then Blake
Speaker 1: was filming to Blake win when yeah, Dress went on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah so in that moment like how did how did
Speaker 1: you feel when I? Oh so, yeah, so you're nervous.
Speaker 1: Well so I really the story to paint the picture
Speaker 1: even more that so yeah, easy, but us I had
Speaker 1: a meeting with Gary. We were sitting in and you know,
Speaker 1: they were talking. They did everything, and right when that
Speaker 1: meeting ended. Well it was funny because during the meeting
Speaker 1: I was kind of in the back corner, hiding behind
Speaker 1: all all the boys, you know, like with my cards,
Speaker 1: like okay, which trick they all want to do, Like
Speaker 1: I want to see, like what I could do to
Speaker 1: what what is he not seen? You know, because you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people try to do content to
Speaker 1: him and a lot of magicians do as well. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in the bag preparing and after you you
Speaker 1: were finished talking, I jumped out Gary, I'm like Gary,
Speaker 1: like can I show you a magic trick? And then
Speaker 1: he goes on this huge brand of how you know,
Speaker 1: how he's seen everything in the book and like now
Speaker 1: or like a week prior, his brain cemented to like
Speaker 1: knowing all magic and he was so confident and he
Speaker 1: that he knew everything and and so I was the
Speaker 1: first magician to perform to him since he cemented that
Speaker 1: in his brain and how he like figured it all out,
Speaker 1: and so I was pretty stressful. So I was doing
Speaker 1: the trick to him with him, you know, beginning the trick,
Speaker 1: talking for five minutes about how he knows that I'm
Speaker 1: about to do, like talking about how he's like you know,
Speaker 1: buddies of David Blaine, which I believe, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just funny. And so yeah, even during the trick,
Speaker 1: I was just like I was so nervous doing the trick,
Speaker 1: but um, I didn't know. But what I was doing.
Speaker 1: If you guys look at the video, it's it's on
Speaker 1: his channel. Just type in Gary V Magic Trick and
Speaker 1: if you throw my name in there, it will pop up.
Speaker 1: During the video you could see me just like I
Speaker 1: was just like checking the cards during the trick, just
Speaker 1: because I wanted to make sure I was doing this right.
Speaker 1: Usually I never do that. And I was just really
Speaker 1: nervous because it was a really high pressure situation. Do
Speaker 1: you think up until that point that was the most
Speaker 1: nervous you've ever been performing I think so that and
Speaker 1: then maybe in competitions magic competitions. But yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a pretty like crazy thing, especially when like he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I haven't figured out before I started. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you can hear the line. I was like, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna have some fun. That's what I said, just like,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, let's have fun and let's do a trick. Well,
Speaker 1: it was It was funny because he's like, I know
Speaker 1: exactly what you're going to do in the next five minutes.
Speaker 1: You know, magic is kind of like what I do
Speaker 1: in business is what I do in my life. I
Speaker 1: just trick people. And he didn't say that exactly, but
Speaker 1: it was. It was funny. It's like, no, it's like
Speaker 1: he was saying, like in my life, I make people
Speaker 1: think I'm doing one thing when I'm doing something else.
Speaker 1: That was it. Yeah, what I just said, it's completely different.
Speaker 1: So but because that's not what he does. But I
Speaker 1: remember hearing that and in my head I was just
Speaker 1: standing there like fuck. I was like, I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I was lookey. I was about to be like yo, Tim,
Speaker 1: like maybe just sit this way. But it was even
Speaker 1: better that way because of the of like how it
Speaker 1: went down, you know. Yeah, I mean because all the
Speaker 1: viewers or everyone you know who eventually viewed Gary's video
Speaker 1: and whatever, we're probably on his side, like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on team Gary. You know, he's you know, he's
Speaker 1: the guy and the he's the head Han show. In
Speaker 1: the situation this magic, He's gonna screw this magician over,
Speaker 1: and so you try to do that. At the end
Speaker 1: of my trick, he's like, I know exactly what that
Speaker 1: card is under the water bottle, and he said what
Speaker 1: the card was, and he flipped it over and it
Speaker 1: was not that card, you know, and all the other
Speaker 1: cards that were laid down were just completely different and
Speaker 1: they all match that card that he didn't even know
Speaker 1: it was coming. And yeah, the trick is kind of long.
Speaker 1: Funny about the video is that you hear him more
Speaker 1: talking and you don't really see the trick. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of comments on the video like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't even see the trick. What happened? I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was a good trick, but I couldn't see it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reaction was great, right, Yeah, because it was so
Speaker 1: funny the whole time is yeah, I do exactly I
Speaker 1: knew exactly was here and it was great and like
Speaker 1: that that's the beauty of magic, Like the misdirection. So
Speaker 1: they think they're doing they think it's one thing, but
Speaker 1: it's something else. But obviously no, no, it's all magic.
Speaker 1: You Matt, you know you sprinkled the magic dust on
Speaker 1: the But no, that dude, that was like priceless. Like
Speaker 1: I've never seen a reaction like that from from like
Speaker 1: from him or from I mean ship, like from anyone
Speaker 1: that I've seen you do. I've seen pretty crazy reactions,
Speaker 1: but a reaction like that, I was like, wow, Like
Speaker 1: that's crazy because I went from I went from fuck
Speaker 1: fuck you know, but it was like that that was
Speaker 1: really really cool. And like Tama was saying, basically, he
Speaker 1: assumed it was gonna be aces underneath, but it ended
Speaker 1: up being with kings Kings. Yeah. Yeah. So the fact
Speaker 1: that he was able to pull off a trick and
Speaker 1: make it a completely different card than what he he
Speaker 1: thought it was because he thought he figured out the
Speaker 1: trick made it that much more crazy. And but it's
Speaker 1: really funny because even at the beginning of the trick,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, Gary, and I feel like this
Speaker 1: is just Gary kind of being in his Gary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Gary being Gary, you know, with his contradictions and everything.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he was like thinking about
Speaker 1: the trick a lot or just kind of like trying
Speaker 1: to follow my movements. But at the beginning of the trick,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, Gary, you're gonna pick a card, You're
Speaker 1: not gonna look at it, and I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: pull every card out that relates to it and then
Speaker 1: at the end will make you know the reveal. And
Speaker 1: so when he was like, I know exactly what that
Speaker 1: card is, I kind of already told him at the
Speaker 1: beginning what it would be. But but I but I
Speaker 1: spun it. You know, you have to watch the video
Speaker 1: just kind of see. But regardless of was a really
Speaker 1: cool will experience, you know, being in New York, being
Speaker 1: in his office. Damn, that guy runs at like a
Speaker 1: million miles of second dude, Like he said, he sat
Speaker 1: down with me for like twenty minutes, don't asking the question,
Speaker 1: and then you did the magic trick and he was out.
Speaker 1: I'm out, like yeah, and he's like, oh, thank you guys,
Speaker 1: Sorry guys, I gotta go yeah later. Yeah, And that
Speaker 1: was that was that was really cool. His workflow is crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, you've had some pretty interesting experiences with
Speaker 1: like some like celebs. Yeah, I mean y G moment
Speaker 1: that was crazy. Yes, shout out to shout out to
Speaker 1: Eric for making that happen. But but yeah, dude, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll set this up. Basically, we were at the YG
Speaker 1: album released party. Um, it was August fourth, I still
Speaker 1: remember that. And when was that two thousand? It was
Speaker 1: two years ago, right after I got my surgery, which
Speaker 1: was in two thousand, summer of seventeen. Yeah, your face
Speaker 1: was like still kind of your face was still kind
Speaker 1: of like puffed up. Yeah, it was small, and I
Speaker 1: had I had off surgeries. I got my top just
Speaker 1: sliced and repositioned and yeah yeah yeah just and and
Speaker 1: then you were wearing those pants from Zap two. Was
Speaker 1: the most loud sweatpants ever. Supreme. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: tamar is a fashion sense in a little bit. But yes,
Speaker 1: but let's talk about that. So you were doing a
Speaker 1: magic trick for y G. YG was lit right because
Speaker 1: he he just he like basically performed his whole album
Speaker 1: for us. Right. This is the State Dangerous album. State
Speaker 1: Dangerous and then I mean he was drinking, like he
Speaker 1: was obviously a little like, you know, on the lit
Speaker 1: side in that sense, and you started doing magic for
Speaker 1: him and yeah, and I didn't expect, like, you know
Speaker 1: what happened. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you all what happened.
Speaker 1: So I was planning on doing like one or two tricks,
Speaker 1: because usually when I do magic to like celebrities or whatever,
Speaker 1: it's it's quick. You know, they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of time. But HyG was like, keep going and keep going.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, what it's like this I was trying
Speaker 1: to do. I did like four tricks. Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: It was a lot um. I hosted a clip of it,
Speaker 1: a clip of it on on my Insta and I
Speaker 1: think it's on YouTube. Complex posted it. I think it
Speaker 1: was a fire trick or something like that. I make
Speaker 1: his card appear and it was a cool reaction, and
Speaker 1: you know, you know, y G was like, you know,
Speaker 1: his reaction was pretty cool. But um, what a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know is that in the middle, like
Speaker 1: of that whole segment of performing it, it it was like
Speaker 1: a sixteen minute performance. Yeah, you were, you were up
Speaker 1: there for him. It was when I look at the video,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, sixteen minutes. That's a long time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So there was a there was a trick. I think
Speaker 1: it was you that was like, Yo, do the money trick.
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, I don't remember. I think it was
Speaker 1: and like and the fact that you said it, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, well I can't say no. So I
Speaker 1: said it while you were yeah, because he was like,
Speaker 1: I'll do another one, and You're like, yeah, I do
Speaker 1: the money one. I'm like, oh no, but okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Oh yeah, I mean I was. I
Speaker 1: was doing a trick and usually I wouldn't do it
Speaker 1: when you're surrounded three sixty degrees like I was. But
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever, I'll do it. I'll try it.
Speaker 1: And that's the whole thing we were talking about the
Speaker 1: very beginning of this talk that you know you trial
Speaker 1: and air, you know you gotta test, you gotta fail sometimes,
Speaker 1: and uh so yeah I did. I did this trick.
Speaker 1: And the y G and his his team completely just
Speaker 1: like grilled me on it, like they kind of knew
Speaker 1: how it worked, and they made a big deal about it,
Speaker 1: not a small deal. Yeah, we we got you, We
Speaker 1: got you. Yeah, so the video of that will be
Speaker 1: coming out I don't know in the future, so look
Speaker 1: out for that. That's that's a video I want to
Speaker 1: use as like a like maybe like when I'm bigger
Speaker 1: in magic, and maybe I do like a talk and
Speaker 1: people because I got a question a lot like do
Speaker 1: you ever mess up? And how do you recover? That's
Speaker 1: like the main video I'm gonna use to just talk
Speaker 1: about that and because it happens, and well, you didn't
Speaker 1: really mess up, No I didn't, but I know I
Speaker 1: didn't mess it up. But in a way I messed
Speaker 1: it up only because I allowed them to figure it
Speaker 1: out just based on the situation. I don't know. Like
Speaker 1: if if you do a trick that's in the wrong angles,
Speaker 1: like you know, you know your angles are really hard,
Speaker 1: and you still do the trick, I think that's the
Speaker 1: mess up. Making the decision to do the trick is
Speaker 1: the mess up, not the actual like, oh I messed
Speaker 1: up the trick. I didn't mess that up, but the
Speaker 1: decision I made to do it under the settings and
Speaker 1: situation that was a mess up. But it's fine because
Speaker 1: you learned from it. And that's a huge thing about magic.
Speaker 1: It's not just doing the trick. It's about reading your audience,
Speaker 1: reading all the people and reading like knowing your angles,
Speaker 1: knowing what works, knowing what doesn't work, and that's where
Speaker 1: you know, like, that's where the experience and magic comes in.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say, oh, like, how long would
Speaker 1: it take me to learn that card trick? And I
Speaker 1: tell them, oh, I just tell them the amount of
Speaker 1: years have been doing magic. I'm like, oh, it'll take
Speaker 1: you thirteen years. And they're like, what what do you mean.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, learning the actual card trick will take
Speaker 1: you maybe, like I don't know, a few days, weeks, months,
Speaker 1: I don't know, depending on your skill. But learning how
Speaker 1: to implement the trick under situation, under all situations that
Speaker 1: you're given, and learning what how to maybe change your
Speaker 1: technique based on you know, your surroundings. That's what takes
Speaker 1: thirteen years of experience, or for me because I've been
Speaker 1: doing it for thirteen that's what takes that long to build.
Speaker 1: You gotta know what and what not to do under
Speaker 1: your conditions. Of course, you learn that by experience. You've
Speaker 1: got to get out there. You can't learn that at
Speaker 1: your home. You can't learn that in front of a mirror.
Speaker 1: You've got to learn that in the real world. No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and dude, and that was a great lesson. I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: Like that was crazy to me when they were literally
Speaker 1: trying so hard to like they didn't even they didn't
Speaker 1: even care about the trick. They were just staring at you,
Speaker 1: I know, you know. And one of my favorite parts
Speaker 1: was actually, um, when I think you did like the
Speaker 1: trick where you made his card up here and then
Speaker 1: he threw it on the floor and he started stepping
Speaker 1: on it to figure out right, I was like, oh god, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah he was. And then he was
Speaker 1: taking the card. He was just questioning me on everything
Speaker 1: I was saying. I'm trying to give him basic constructions
Speaker 1: like yeah, I dude, just like snap your fingers or
Speaker 1: wave your hand over and he's like, but why do
Speaker 1: I gotta wave? Can I step on it? Like I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: step on it. Yeah, And then he was rubbing the
Speaker 1: card on the ground and like he literally burned a
Speaker 1: hole through the card and burned his finger and that
Speaker 1: was funny. Yeah, that video is not out, but yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll put that clip outs and that that's funny. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting because I've you handled that very well,
Speaker 1: Like I told that's like because I don't know how
Speaker 1: I would react in like a situation like that, so
Speaker 1: like and obviously that is the the thirteen years that
Speaker 1: because if you just started yesterday or a week ago,
Speaker 1: like he said, maybe some kid would cry. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: like you just walk away and just look down to
Speaker 1: case like sorry, no great. But at the end, like
Speaker 1: he was cool, like I think the whole thing was
Speaker 1: just a good experience. No ill will, No, not at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, it's it's
Speaker 1: magic and sometimes it happens, but you know, you just
Speaker 1: keep it going. And yeah, segue to a little fashion
Speaker 1: because of what you were wearing that night. You're wearing
Speaker 1: those a supreme I forgot what those are called, but
Speaker 1: definitely not what I was expecting you to wear. Ever. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was just wearing shorts from Ross. And then
Speaker 1: we were with that to Steven Legendary have we with him?
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, wait, I gotta change in
Speaker 1: the like better clothing to where and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can wear my pants? Okay, what do they look like?
Speaker 1: And they're just like I don't even know what do
Speaker 1: they called, Like, is there like a name for them?
Speaker 1: There there is, I just can't remember the exact name,
Speaker 1: but I means and it wasn't a skeleton. It was
Speaker 1: um like bones on them, like it's not it's it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's I can't remember what it was called. I have
Speaker 1: the picture. It's so funny, but um. But yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's interesting because like a lot of people would probably
Speaker 1: assume that, like all my good friends are all like
Speaker 1: hype beasts and like into this kind of stuff, because
Speaker 1: I mean, like people like Hies for example, like all
Speaker 1: his homies grown up, like they're all like sneaker heads
Speaker 1: and like flipping Supreme and stuff like that. I'd be
Speaker 1: flipping cards cars. Yeah, I mean, dude, like basically none
Speaker 1: of my friends are into it. Yeah, none of my friends, right,
Speaker 1: I guess you have like influence like we wear like
Speaker 1: you know I have. I have a pair of Jordan's
Speaker 1: yeah finally, well, yeah, I mean I definitely feel like
Speaker 1: I've rubbed off on my friends a little bit in
Speaker 1: that sense. It's just like a little touch touch ups
Speaker 1: and like, oh here's that his style something that Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it kind of like where we grew up, it
Speaker 1: was not the most fashion forward place like it is
Speaker 1: in like certain parts of l A. Yeah, it's funny
Speaker 1: because like legit, you probably don't know even like the
Speaker 1: slightest thing about I don't know about that. Quiz Me
Speaker 1: asked me a question. Okay, what are those Jordan's that
Speaker 1: I got you? Jordan's Aramax four point ohs right, because
Speaker 1: Jordan was four point student. I'm gonna go jump off this.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so but but no, but it's not a
Speaker 1: big deal, like literally, like there's other things to talk
Speaker 1: about beside sneakers and supremes, and you know, we've been
Speaker 1: friends ever since we were kids. So yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about the whole like supreme
Speaker 1: and like sneakers coming from a person who's like not
Speaker 1: really super into it and that I haven't wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, before you keep going, I'm gonna cut you off.
Speaker 1: So me and tamer we had lunch and I had
Speaker 1: the trap scott As Bees in the back of my car.
Speaker 1: I had I had two pairs, like and they were
Speaker 1: early in like a week early, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you want to see like the latest and greatest,
Speaker 1: like the hottest shoes right now. He's like, yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: And I showed it to him and he's like, what
Speaker 1: what do you say? You're like, dude, these are ugly?
Speaker 1: Like why are they the blue ones? They're the ones
Speaker 1: with the bandana print on them. The blue ones there's
Speaker 1: like navy blue, but they're like tan with like white laces.
Speaker 1: He doesn't he doesn't even remember. I didn't remember it,
Speaker 1: but dude, you were literally these are ugly, Like I thought,
Speaker 1: we thought that's how the same parents ross the other day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but where's that navs? The nav line? I heard your
Speaker 1: boyfriend took you shopping Ross. But yeah, it's funny because
Speaker 1: I kind of like that about you in the sense
Speaker 1: that like you don't care at all about this ship,
Speaker 1: and it's it's funny because I respected, but I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't, like, you know, I'm not about the whole world,
Speaker 1: but I think it's cool to be around it, and
Speaker 1: like I always like to have different, you know, experiences,
Speaker 1: and I think it's really cool just to yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can respect it, but were you being here?
Speaker 1: Do you actually not know what those Jordan's I got
Speaker 1: you were? I read the tag ones but you do
Speaker 1: know the silhouette of the Jordan, like the number you
Speaker 1: don't know, a dude, this is literally the easiest one.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows this one. Dude. Do you know how many
Speaker 1: Do you know how many cards are in the deck
Speaker 1: of cards? Dude? Yeah, fifty two exactly. Okay, Well there
Speaker 1: are Jordan's ones. Yeah, that's that's what I said. YEA
Speaker 1: said that. At the beginning. I was like that Jordan's ones,
Speaker 1: like Airmax. You definitely did not say Jordan, play that back, please,
Speaker 1: thank you. But yeah, it's interesting and I feel like
Speaker 1: now you've kind of changed your style a little bit.
Speaker 1: I do get a lot of free clothes that I
Speaker 1: hand to you, hand me down, easy bust to hand
Speaker 1: me downs? Do you enjoy those? So good? But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting and like because I think people might
Speaker 1: have like a different picture of my friends because of Kais,
Speaker 1: because of how his all his boys are. Like, it's
Speaker 1: funny that how we met. It was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: We were in seventh grade. Yeah, we were young seventh
Speaker 1: graders And how how did we click? What was like
Speaker 1: the click? I think it might have been like what
Speaker 1: were we just like I don't know, I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: I think it was, you know, we were in class
Speaker 1: and I don't know, we just because you were sitting
Speaker 1: behind me, and so we just started talking to each other.
Speaker 1: Is that is that really? How? Yeah, I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: That was such a long time ago. Yeah, so yeah
Speaker 1: it was. And from there, Yeah, we became good friends.
Speaker 1: I remember I had my braces on I first went
Speaker 1: to when I first went to your house. It just
Speaker 1: hurts to eat the pasta at your house. My mom's
Speaker 1: pasta is it's good, It's good. That's why it started
Speaker 1: with Wow, I've had racest for so long. I X wow.
Speaker 1: I definitely had some interesting encounters hanging out with you.
Speaker 1: One time, I remember I came to your house for
Speaker 1: like one of the first times, and your dad walked
Speaker 1: out in his underwear, right, that was interesting to me.
Speaker 1: He didn't know you were there. Well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think he cared because he stood there. He didn't
Speaker 1: even say, oh, let me go put a shirt on.
Speaker 1: He just stood there like scratching his belly, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, what's up, what's your name? Like, dude,
Speaker 1: that dude, that was that was great. But yeah, I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: like we've been friends ever since, and it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: that we don't we have I feel like the reason
Speaker 1: why we've we've stayed friends and like why I still
Speaker 1: have the friends that I do is because of the
Speaker 1: mindset that you know, we've had. Like it was always
Speaker 1: about working smarter, not harder. You know, it was always
Speaker 1: about finding a way to beat the system and be different,
Speaker 1: find a way to like achieve your goals in an
Speaker 1: unorthodox way that's better. You know. I think it's so
Speaker 1: great that you're still doing magic and like it still. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's a it's a cool
Speaker 1: it's just so cool and the world is really cool too,
Speaker 1: I mean, and as I see it, I see everyone
Speaker 1: has their own whatever hobby you have, there's a world
Speaker 1: to it. So if you're sailing, if you if you
Speaker 1: like boats and stuff, there's a whole world. There's teams
Speaker 1: that you can join whatever, and then you know, you
Speaker 1: got your hype, you know, supreme all that, all the
Speaker 1: sneaker world, which I think is so cool. Um, even
Speaker 1: though like I'm not avidly involved in it, I think
Speaker 1: it's cool to experience it and see, I think it's
Speaker 1: really you'll get value out of seeing every type of
Speaker 1: world and um, go to random conventions and there's something
Speaker 1: to learn, and I think it's cool. I like learning. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you you've been with me to so many
Speaker 1: different sneaker cons. Yeah, and you're doing like magic tricks
Speaker 1: for like you know, all the YouTubers. And then like
Speaker 1: even though at my table, like you'd help me sell
Speaker 1: Murder Treacher is the funny. Yeah, take a card put
Speaker 1: under the T shirt and if the car changes into
Speaker 1: your card, the T shirt is meant for you. So
Speaker 1: it turns out what you're doing. And sometimes I did that, Like,
Speaker 1: look like these shirts, they're not just regular shirts. Their magic. Sure,
Speaker 1: let me show you what I mean. Take a card
Speaker 1: and then you know, we'll put it here and look
Speaker 1: because of their shirt, it's now this car. That's funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so they're like, oh, I have to buy a
Speaker 1: magic Yeah, and they go home and they try to
Speaker 1: do it again, like this guy scammed me. That's funny.
Speaker 1: That just makes perfect. It's interesting because you and Patrick
Speaker 1: are probably the ones who are down to travel the most. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Patrick's another one of our buddies, which are you Guys
Speaker 1: are like both like oh go here, okay, cool down
Speaker 1: besides Cleveland anywhere. But now, especially since you're done with
Speaker 1: school and all that, like we can start going to
Speaker 1: more like it, would you be open to start learning
Speaker 1: how to do some magic trees with like sneakers and
Speaker 1: mentioned something. I mean, yeah, So there's different types of magic,
Speaker 1: and one of the types is like mental is in
Speaker 1: magic and magic kind of the mind, mind reading or
Speaker 1: like predicting the future, predicting results, whatever. And the greatest
Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to get into more now. And
Speaker 1: the greatest part about that is that it could be
Speaker 1: applied to so many different things. Um, you can apply
Speaker 1: it to I don't know, corporate gigs that you're doing.
Speaker 1: You can apply it to you know, the sneaker world.
Speaker 1: You can predict what shoe they're gonna be picking, you know,
Speaker 1: and like you can make it a whole trick and
Speaker 1: it's so cool and so yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to and I'm just trying to think and
Speaker 1: of different new innovative ways to present magic in the
Speaker 1: sneaker world. As as far as I know, there's no
Speaker 1: sneaker magicians. You No, there isn't. I remember I think
Speaker 1: one of your first Instagrams that we started was like
Speaker 1: at sneaker magicians, you know, yeah, this is the one
Speaker 1: easy for us to start. I'm like, oh, we should
Speaker 1: do magic with sneakers. But I think it was just like,
Speaker 1: like I just I was just doing magic in general,
Speaker 1: and like if I could do it with stuff like
Speaker 1: sneaker related or whatever related, great, But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know why we didn't keep it. Yeah, I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: we could always try it again. You could always revitalize it.
Speaker 1: But it's cool because, um, I think I think I
Speaker 1: saw David Blaine wearing Jordan's one time. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you noticed that. I just noticed the cards in
Speaker 1: his hand. Yeah, sneaker has to make shoe contact, you
Speaker 1: make a card to contact exactly. And there was also
Speaker 1: this really cool magician for all you guys at home
Speaker 1: that I came across on Netflix. That's really great. His
Speaker 1: name is Justin Willman. It's just about magic for humans.
Speaker 1: He did a show in Flight Club. He's actually he's
Speaker 1: the one I'm helping out. Yeah, Justin is really cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a few magicians. I mean, the cool
Speaker 1: thing about the magic community is that you can talk
Speaker 1: to a lot of magicians and it's like they kind
Speaker 1: of all try to help you or guide you, and
Speaker 1: justin a few other magicians are like super nice guys
Speaker 1: and they're they're cool, like yeah, knowledgeable, two they're good. Dude,
Speaker 1: look at the show. It's amazing. To say the show,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, and like it's it's cool because I dude,
Speaker 1: I got hooked on the first season. I watched all
Speaker 1: all the episodes like one day Magic for Humans for
Speaker 1: Humans on Netflix, and then I watched the second season.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't even know, Like I didn't get it,
Speaker 1: didn't get recommended to me until way later, but I
Speaker 1: ended up binging that one too, like literally one set
Speaker 1: down And one of the episodes was in flight Club,
Speaker 1: which is, uh, you know what flight club is? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a sneaker. It's like one of the o G
Speaker 1: sneaker resale Coo Simons there, yes, more or less. Um
Speaker 1: So when I watched that, I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit. I was like, Tim, and you need to
Speaker 1: fucking hit this guy. It's funny because he was doing
Speaker 1: a thing about fake sneakers. That would have been cool
Speaker 1: to see you kind of involved in that. You know,
Speaker 1: Yeah it was funny because I watched that and I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, how did because I don't want to
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound arrogant. No, no, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't even not arrogant, but like I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: Like this would have been really cool, Like if I
Speaker 1: had known about this and if I could get involved
Speaker 1: in somehow, like it would have been amazing. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean if I was if
Speaker 1: I knew that I was wanted to do a trick
Speaker 1: with spotting, because yeah, his trick was essentially like you know,
Speaker 1: he was using a laser pointer the spot off the
Speaker 1: shoe is fake or real, and then it turns into
Speaker 1: like some block of ice or just some really cool stuff.
Speaker 1: You guys should watch the show. Um, But like if
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to do a trick like that,
Speaker 1: I would talk to the community be like yo, like
Speaker 1: who's is there anyone involved in this kind of thing?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, no, he just actually executed the idea. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, dude, it was great. It was cool. It
Speaker 1: was so cool at the track, such a dope trick
Speaker 1: and like when I watched that, in my head, I
Speaker 1: was like how like that was the WTF moment. I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, what And then I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I have to reach out to this guy if he
Speaker 1: because he said he likes sneakers on the show. So
Speaker 1: I reached out to him. Like he actually dent me
Speaker 1: back within like an hour, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, holy shi it, this is so cool, you know,
Speaker 1: and he followed me and I was just talking to
Speaker 1: him for a little bit. Really seems like a really
Speaker 1: nice guy and like, from what you've told me, he's
Speaker 1: really cool. That's a lot of cool thing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a cool thing about the Magic community is that
Speaker 1: they're like open. They're really open, and like they'll like
Speaker 1: respond to emails like if they're getting bombarded, maybe they
Speaker 1: might miss it, but they're like, if you need guidance
Speaker 1: or help, that's kind of want to connect, then it's
Speaker 1: not impossible. And and that's the thing. It's like, and
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I really respect about the Magic
Speaker 1: community because it's so tight knit because sneakers are tightening it.
Speaker 1: But it's all like dick measuring contest, Like you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's so like, oh you don't have these hot sucks.
Speaker 1: I have them like you know, and and that's one
Speaker 1: thing that I don't like about the sneaker community because
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot and just like a lot of
Speaker 1: there's so many o G s in the sneaker community
Speaker 1: that I have so much respect for, but they have
Speaker 1: little to absolutely zero respect for me or any of
Speaker 1: the newer guys. And I get it, like sneakers were
Speaker 1: not what they used to be twenty years ago or
Speaker 1: even five years ago. Ship, but things are changing and
Speaker 1: sneakers are a lot more mainstream now and instead of
Speaker 1: like like I want to pay respects to the o
Speaker 1: G so I'd rather like I would love to have
Speaker 1: one of the guys who talk about me on the
Speaker 1: show and talk to him and like, bro, like like
Speaker 1: I have mad respect for you, and things are changing,
Speaker 1: and it's okay, you know what I mean. But it's like, um,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because the secret community there's don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: there's so many nice people in the secret community. There's
Speaker 1: so many nice people and that are down to help
Speaker 1: you out and down to like be a part of
Speaker 1: like your project. There are magicians are a lot that
Speaker 1: that there are. I've come across a few, and thankfully
Speaker 1: it's only been a few doing magic with their ten
Speaker 1: years and going through these conventions, and yeah, I've come
Speaker 1: across a view. Not a lot though, um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always cool. It's I think. I think I'm just
Speaker 1: in general, good practice is to be a good human
Speaker 1: being and people will like you. You know, even if
Speaker 1: you can't see the direct like like Ben I fit
Speaker 1: from it, maybe there might not be a benefit you
Speaker 1: get out of it. It's just benefit to yourself. You
Speaker 1: know that you're a good person. Yeah, of course so,
Speaker 1: And I think that's good. And I feel like because
Speaker 1: you said, like most people in the magic community are
Speaker 1: so open to want to help you, and there's a
Speaker 1: few bad apples. I feel like in sneakers it's I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's flipped, but it's definitely like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad apples, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I always talk about how like it's important for
Speaker 1: everyone to kind of come together and like because we're
Speaker 1: part of the same community, we love the same stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it's different because the sneaker is fashion. It's
Speaker 1: the fashion world, and you know that's I feel like
Speaker 1: the fashion world is always about you know, the latest
Speaker 1: thing or the trends or what's going on, what they're wearing,
Speaker 1: what he's wearing or whatever. You kind of don't want
Speaker 1: to be like everyone else, right, right, you got to
Speaker 1: stand out in a way. But in Magic, it's just
Speaker 1: it's more of like an art form, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a craft. Well if you if you think,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, they they're both art forms,
Speaker 1: you know, because Shian is an art form in itself.
Speaker 1: That's how you express yourself, and so it's magic in
Speaker 1: a way. It's interesting because fashion is much like the
Speaker 1: magic is like fashion in the sense like in a way,
Speaker 1: you going out in public wearing a certain outfit is
Speaker 1: kind of a performance, but not I would say it's
Speaker 1: the art of maybe putting your outfits together and kind
Speaker 1: of making it work and making it work, making it presenting,
Speaker 1: maybe coming up with a new style that don't isn't seen,
Speaker 1: or like a new combination that clicks. Yeah, now that
Speaker 1: I think of it, Yeah, that is kind of like
Speaker 1: it's a visual art form, you know. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: feel like with Magic two in a way, it's like
Speaker 1: there's certain trends, like when I go on Instagram and
Speaker 1: I see magicians, I feel like I've see the same tricks,
Speaker 1: like the same, and then I see one guy do
Speaker 1: some crazy ship and then everybody kind of follows suit
Speaker 1: and no pun intended. People in the magic community are
Speaker 1: so open and so like helping and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But the Sneakers, it's like you didn't get it. You
Speaker 1: couldn't get them reach out cool, like I don't need
Speaker 1: you or like you know what, I I don't know.
Speaker 1: But don't get me wrong. There's like great people. I mean,
Speaker 1: they know who they are. But yeah, it's interesting, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: The world of magic and Sneaker is yeah, different but
Speaker 1: kind of the same in a way. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we can make him intertwined. That's it. Yeah, So hopefully
Speaker 1: stay on the lookout. Hopefully we'll get to Sneaker magician
Speaker 1: popping again. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it's pretty much Tamara.
Speaker 1: We could talk for another few a few more hours
Speaker 1: we normally do on a daily basis. Should get Patrick
Speaker 1: in on that toss. If that'd be funny, I'd go
Speaker 1: out the story. Yeah. Yeah, there's way too many you guys.
Speaker 1: Let me know what you guys think, because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really share much of my personal life or
Speaker 1: have like any of like my personal friends on on
Speaker 1: like anything really like you've been in a couple of vlogs.
Speaker 1: But you know, so, I mean, do you guys like this,
Speaker 1: you guys want to see more of like my personal life?
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to see more like I mean,
Speaker 1: let me know, like streat me and d M if
Speaker 1: you guys are listening. But yeah, I mean that that's
Speaker 1: pretty much all I had for you for for now, dude.
Speaker 1: But yeah, is there anything that you want to leave
Speaker 1: the listen or with like some some like quote or
Speaker 1: like a good piece of advice or you could just
Speaker 1: say follow me on Instagram and Tamer's advice. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: whatever it is you do. I got into magic, but
Speaker 1: I also did school at the same time. Whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you do, just work hard at it and
Speaker 1: try to just be great at it, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: everyone has their own route, you know, and whatever route
Speaker 1: you want to take, just work hard and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I would do, and then you'll just grow
Speaker 1: into into things that you don't even you may not
Speaker 1: know you'll get to Like I never thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna be a member of the Castle, but I just
Speaker 1: did magic and it happened. So even if you can't
Speaker 1: see the light at the end of the tunnel. There
Speaker 1: is a light there, and you just keep getting better
Speaker 1: at what you like doing or what you want to do,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it'll it'll start to show itself. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: There's the advice, great advice with Tamer that should be
Speaker 1: its own talk show. Definitely not anyway, guys, make sure
Speaker 1: you guys go check out Tamar on Instagram. He's at
Speaker 1: Tamer Magic, at t A M M E R M
Speaker 1: A G I C Hammer like a hammer, Tammer like
Speaker 1: a hammer. There we go. Make sure you go check
Speaker 1: them out on Instagram. Go check him out on YouTube.
Speaker 1: You guys will definitely be seeing him more and more
Speaker 1: on my stories and on YouTube blogs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: By space too, Yeah, definitely my space and LinkedIn. Yeah
Speaker 1: like that. Well, anyway, appreciate you guys. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: you guys next time. Peace. You can say bye later, bye, guys,