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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. In this is episode number sixty.

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Speaker 1: Today in the show, Dan and I are bearing all

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Speaker 1: and discussing our greatest failures and mistakes while deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy all right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by our friends at Sick of Gear.

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Speaker 1: Now today on the show, it's just me and my

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Speaker 1: co host Dan, but it's still going to be an

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Speaker 1: interesting episode, I think, because today we're pulling all the

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Speaker 1: skeletons out of the closet and sharing our biggest failures,

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Speaker 1: screw ups and mistakes while deer hunting, and trust me,

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Speaker 1: there are plenty of those to choose from. When you say, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you finished that sentence with wild deer hunting,

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Speaker 1: because this could be a really long podcast. It was

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Speaker 1: even more than that home if it was life in general,

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Speaker 1: that could be like a seventeen part series exactly. But

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Speaker 1: we've got a lot to talk about him the deer

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Speaker 1: hunt in front too. M HM. Can I want help

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Speaker 1: you for a second. Yeah, go for it. I checked

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Speaker 1: my trail cameras this weekend and you didn't. I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm super jealous too. Yeah. I had a pretty decent poll,

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Speaker 1: not my best pull ever, but um, I have one

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Speaker 1: buck that hit is back from the past four years

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Speaker 1: we've been chasing him, and he's pretty identifiable by some

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Speaker 1: kind of sickness or infection he has on his back legs.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it is, but it doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: to be affecting him much. Um, he's back. And then

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Speaker 1: I got a pretty pretty cool non typical picture that

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Speaker 1: looks like he could be a giant as well. So

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty pumped to see uh the next card Pool

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Speaker 1: next month. Yeah, man, that's awesome. And you gotta kill

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Speaker 1: Ryan Iberg because that buck he looks the buck Buck. Okay,

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Speaker 1: not your friend, Fred. Ryan's a good guy, but that

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Speaker 1: you know, like you said, that thing going on with

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Speaker 1: his back foot or is it both feet now? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's had it. He's had both feet for three years.

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Speaker 1: This is the third years had it. You gotta take

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Speaker 1: him out of his misery. Yeah, he's a deer too.

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Speaker 1: Now that otherwise that other big non typical could that

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Speaker 1: potentially be the one only Yep, that could be Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think I have it narrowed down

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Speaker 1: to two bucks. It looks like he's gonna be fairly narrow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna have a lot of mass. And

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Speaker 1: it would be another buck that I've been watching for

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Speaker 1: the past couple of years called and I've named him dork.

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Speaker 1: But he he has an extremely huge body and not

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Speaker 1: you know, last year, in the year before, he has

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Speaker 1: but you know, maybe at most one yeah, for a

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Speaker 1: size range um this year he could blow up to

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Speaker 1: who knows what and uh, but you know it's way

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Speaker 1: too early to tell. You can only gas at this point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's got big split brow time's coming on right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: gonna do. That's awesome. I love split brow times. Alright,

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Speaker 1: here's a question, Okay, what would you rather if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, those split G two's are sweet. What about you?

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Speaker 1: I go through this all time. I mean a couple

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Speaker 1: these different like which would you prefer scenarios? And this

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Speaker 1: You're not, buddy, Yeah? Thanks? Oh you can dream, right,

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Speaker 1: hunting DVDs and shows online and oh, just dreaming, just dreaming. Uh,

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Speaker 1: about today, Mark, Yeah, we're talking about how we've screwed

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Speaker 1: So I've got a lot of different examples, and I had,

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Speaker 1: And it's you know, it's resulted in you know, dramatically

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk through some of those things for me,

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've got some good examples too, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been making mistakes. You're hunting every season. Every season,

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest bucks I've ever gotten on trail camera,

427
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: come two years in a row coming to this one property,

428
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: through one property, but it was mostly nocturnal, and I

429
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 1: knew if I had access to that property, I might

430
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: have a shot of you know, killing him. But I

431
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: never took the initiative. And then he disappeared the third year,

432
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: and I kind of sat back and I go, hey, man,

433
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: the worst thing they can do is tell you now.

434
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of other guys, you know,

435
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: and listen listeners of this podcast have kind of have

436
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: mentioned in you know, social media that they kind of

437
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: making the first step is the hardest, but once you

438
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: do it, it it all become it's easy. Yeah, that's and

439
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: it's something we've talked about a lot before, but it's

440
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: just it's so important access, you know, just like in

441
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: real estate, location, location location, you can't kill them if

442
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: they're not there, right. That was one of my biggest

443
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: mistakes too, and it's still a mistake I make. Even

444
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: though we talk about it here and I preach it

445
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: all the time, I still sometimes don't go out and

446
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: do as much as I need to do when it

447
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: comes to getting new propertis. I need, I need. I

448
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: need more hunting properties right now. I need to get

449
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: off my tail. I need to knock on some more doors.

450
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: I gotta try to find some spots because I'm lacking.

451
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: I've lost a couple of spots of Michigan. I only

452
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: have one decent spot on one and a half decent

453
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: spots in Michigan. Now, Um, I'm not spending as much

454
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: time hunting in Michigan anymore, but I still really should

455
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: get another spot or two in Michigan. I only have

456
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: one spot in Ohio. What if I lose that spot,

457
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: I probably should be trying to find another spot in

458
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: Ohio just in case. Um, But you know, it takes

459
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: time and takes the effort all those things. So I

460
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: gotta get off my button do more to um. And

461
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: also this summer, UM, when I'm driving back from Idaho.

462
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be stopping in Iowa and spending a day

463
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: knocking on doors there to try to find some properties

464
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: to hunt this fall, because I'm hopefully gonna be drawing

465
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: a tag this fall for Iowa and I gotta find

466
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: someone hunt, so I'm gonna be having to do that

467
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: work a lot in the next couple of months. Nice. Nice,

468
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: have you been looking at maps and looking at areas? Yeah,

469
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean I've I hunted there a couple of years ago. UM,

470
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: so I know they are pretty decently well. And I've

471
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: got a few friends there that I go shed hunting

472
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: with most every year. So I know a couple of

473
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: areas that I want to do some door knocking, and uh,

474
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: there's some public land I could access to. Um. So

475
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: I've got some ideas. In the next month or so,

476
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to fine tune that. I'm going to come

477
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: up with a list hopefully have ten to fifteen different

478
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: properties and landowner names and addresses. UM. Have that all

479
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: lined up. So when I drive through, our plan is

480
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: to you know, get in um like early afternoon, my

481
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: wife and the dog is to go to a campground

482
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna spend an even knocking on ten

483
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: fifteen different doors and hopefully come up with something. So

484
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: good luck man, thank you. If that doesn't work, I'm

485
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: just going to sneak in near property. Cool man, I'll

486
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: shoot you. Perfect. So anything more on access other than

487
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: the fact that you'll shoot me if I try to

488
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: access yours, No, I mean, it's it's you know, specifically

489
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: gaining access. Um. You know, I have certain properties where

490
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: I've talked to the landowner two to access a certain

491
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: tree stand. I'm not allowed to hunt on their property,

492
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: but I'm allowed to walk down a two track and

493
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: cross the creek and get to a tree stand. So

494
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: it's even something as simple as that can make a

495
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: world of difference, you know, So you're not walking all

496
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: the way through a property as opposed from you know,

497
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: I had to say it, but ruining their hunts potentially

498
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: as opposed to yours. It's a great point, and a

499
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: lot of times you you won't even be ruining most

500
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: sometimes these people's sounds because they might not even hunt

501
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: their property. So there's lots of times where, like you said,

502
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: just taking the time to ask can really change how

503
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: you can hunt property just by walking through somewhere else. Yeah,

504
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: that's a great point in and those landowners lots of

505
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: times will be a lot more likely to say yes

506
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: because oh, you're just gonna walk through for five minutes. Sure,

507
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: go for it. Um. This guy, he only shot gun hunts.

508
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: So that's why I have acts, that's why he allows

509
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: me the access to, uh to do it. And you know,

510
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: someday maybe if I prove my worth, I'll be able

511
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: to bow hunt his property someday too. That would be nice. Yeah,

512
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: really nice. So let's uh, how about another mistake of mind.

513
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Here's a specific a couple of specific examples where I

514
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: messed up on a deer um and then kind of

515
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: a larger thing to take away from it. Um, I

516
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: don't remember if I had told this story. We've talked

517
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: so much this episode sixty, so like well over sixty

518
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: hours of us telling stories, So I might have told

519
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: this one. I don't know, but UM tell me if

520
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: I have. It was November second, I think no, Actually,

521
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: I take it back. I had hunted November one and

522
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: second on this property in Michigan, and then I went

523
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: to Iowa for a week and then I came back,

524
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: so it was like November ten or eleven. I came

525
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: back and the buck called Leaner. He's a deer that

526
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: I've talked about before. Um. At this time, he was

527
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: a three and a half year old. It was two

528
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, I think, and I've been sitting there hunting,

529
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: and long story short, a couple of those came in.

530
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: He surprised me all of a sudden, turned around and

531
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: forty yards away from me, this buck was right there,

532
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: Leaner and I couldn't move though, because he was so close,

533
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: so I was frozen. And then he finally moved away

534
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: and he started moving through some tree cover, and by

535
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: the time I was able to move around and get

536
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: turned around, he was out of range and moving away.

537
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: So I had to grunt to him. I think I

538
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: have told you this story. I'm kind of remembering this now,

539
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: but long story short, I tried to call to him

540
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: and I did a couple of grunts. Try to be

541
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: aggressive with a couple of grunts. He didn't care. He

542
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: kept moving, So I'm panicking. He's getting farther and farther away,

543
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: and I I was gonna do a snort. We's so

544
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: this time, I in my head, okay, do a snort

545
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: wise now, but this is the grunt tube that had

546
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: a snort weeze tube and then a regular grunt tube.

547
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: Instead of using the regular snort we'se tube which is

548
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: just a funnel which amplifies the snorting sound. Instead of

549
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: doing that, I snort wise through the regular grunt part

550
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: with So it just was like this horrible It was

551
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: really really really bad noise, very loud, and scared the

552
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: crap out of Leaner and he took off running and

553
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: I didn't see him again that year. Um, So that

554
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: was a huge mistake I made. In a specific instance

555
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: when I was trying to call to Leaner, I you know,

556
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: rushed it, wasn't paying attention when I was doing And

557
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: I probably fordid it because I'd already tried a couple

558
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: of calls before that and he was going and he wasn't.

559
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: He didn't give a rip about it. I still kept going. Now,

560
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: fast forward to the next year, two thousand thirteen. I'm

561
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: hunting in the exact same tree stand. It's about the

562
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: exact same time of year. I think it was again

563
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: like around that November eight November twelve, and he pops

564
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: out again. Now this year, instead of three and a half,

565
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: here's a four and a half year old. He's in

566
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: the one forties awesome Michigan Buck and he pops out

567
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: maybe a hundred yards away, and he's feeding down in

568
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: this corn field with a couple of dolls. And he

569
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: starts moving my direction, coming towards the same exact spot

570
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: where I had, you know, snort weez through the wrong

571
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: way at him, And again he's cutting away from me,

572
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: not coming towards my location. So again I'm getting, you know, nervous.

573
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: I want him to come my way. He's not coming

574
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: my way. And you do something, So I grunt. He looks,

575
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: keeps going. I grun again, he looks, keeps going, keeps going.

576
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: I grunning in I think I tried rattling. He keeps going.

577
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: It's further and further away. Snort weezed at him, this

578
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: time with the right tube. Um. I threw everything I

579
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: had at him, and he eventually ran off, and it was,

580
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's overcalling one oh one. I was, you know, panicking.

581
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: I wanted so badly for this encounter to turn into

582
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: a shot opportunity that, even though I knew I shouldn't,

583
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: I kept calling, hoping that one of these tricks in

584
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: my bag would finally work. And you know, as I

585
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: think we've talked about before, eventually, you know you have

586
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: to realize one enough is enough, and you're gonna start

587
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: hurting your chances of having an account over with that

588
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: buck rather than you know, having something finally work. I

589
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: think overcalling is something that many of us do. It's

590
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: easy to do, and it educates his deer. It's it

591
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: definitely impacts those deer. And you know, I had now

592
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: overcalled to this deer twice from the same exact tree stand,

593
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: and I never ever saw him again from that tree stand,

594
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: and I think that's a big part. I think that

595
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: a big part of that was because he was start

596
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: to put things together and realizing that there's a really

597
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: loud duck sitting in that tree and it's not somewhere

598
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: he wants to go. I have overcalled so many times

599
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: that it would it's hilarious to even talk about I've

600
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: ruined more hunts because of calling. And I ruined uh

601
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: a hunt in I shouldn't say I ruined the hunt

602
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: because he had caught my wind, all right, So he

603
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: immediately stopped and this was with a typical twelve pointer,

604
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: and he caught my scent boom stopped. He was looking around.

605
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: He took a couple of steps backwards, and he started

606
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: to walk away. It was the rut. So I started,

607
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: I rattled, I grunted, I snort weas and the snort

608
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: we's got his attention and he turned around, coming back

609
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: to me, you know, basically just to look in the area.

610
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: And then I never saw him again. So that time,

611
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: and then a year later, another deer walks through. Um,

612
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: he walked through the osonics calmnists can be. But then

613
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: he had the wind advantage even though he was out

614
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: of the osonic stream, and my scent and my scent

615
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: stream I grow on it. Just one simple and he

616
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 1: was gone because he knew there was no deer up

617
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: there because he had the wind advantage. And that was

618
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: with like a hundred seventy eight pointer that megatron. Yeah,

619
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: so those are those were two examples of times where

620
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: it's like calling statistically isn't going to do the trick.

621
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: You have to be able to put yourself in the

622
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: right location. And if it deer is gonna have your

623
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: wind at any point, you can't beat their nose. Man,

624
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't care what you have in the tree with you.

625
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Man. Now, the next season, I

626
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: was hesitant to call, right, So I was just, you know,

627
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin it. I don't want to

628
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: ruin it when the whole time, a person shouldn't be

629
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: trying to observe a deer's body language. Yes, you know,

630
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: if they're making a scrape, if they're raking a tree,

631
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: they're in a little bit more of an aggressive mood,

632
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: and you might be able to get away with calling

633
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: at them. But if they're alert and they're coming in

634
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: with their ears pegged forward and they're really observant, do

635
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: not call at them. So you have to learn, and

636
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, I learned the hard way unfortunately, but you

637
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: have to learn when to call and when not to

638
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: call based off their attitude. Yeah, very true. And and

639
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: then also you know also the time of the year, they're,

640
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: how they're reacting, what the area that you're hunting in is. Like,

641
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, in certain areas that there's tons of hunting pressure,

642
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: you might want to be even more tentative when it

643
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: comes to calling because they've heard so many more from

644
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 1: other people. UM, So you have to take a lot

645
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: of factors into consideration before calling. Um. You know, it

646
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: makes it. If you watch ads on TV, you know,

647
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: it seems like calling should be any buck that comes by,

648
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: I should be all grun it right in um. But

649
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: it's not a magic bullet. It's something. It's a tool

650
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: that works that helps sometimes, but more times than not,

651
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: it might hurt than it will help. So you need

652
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: to be smart about when you use that tool and

653
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: how you use it. And a lot of that comes

654
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: from just, you know, experience like we've had you over

655
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: the last decade, seeing these deer and what works and

656
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: what doesn't work, and when we screwed up, and when

657
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: when we didn't screw up. Um. For me right now,

658
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: I've got kind of a general set of rules for

659
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: myself when it comes to calling. You know, if it

660
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: if there if a shot, opportunity isn't going to happen.

661
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: As you know, I would rather have a deer just

662
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: come in on his own, with no calls on my own.

663
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: So if he's coming my way, I'm not gonna do anything.

664
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to speed him up. I'm just

665
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: gonna let him make his way. Let's say I know

666
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: for sure he's not coming in, I'm willing to try one,

667
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, for me personally, start with contact grunt. Just

668
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: do a soft contact ground and if that gets his

669
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: attention and he's intrigued by that, I'll just stop. Ye Now,

670
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: if the first try doesn't get his attention at all,

671
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: it seems like he hasn't heard it at all or

672
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: doesn't care or anything, that, I'll give him one more,

673
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: but a little louder, a little more aggressive, just make

674
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: sure he's hurt me. If that doesn't work, still hopefully

675
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: it's hopefully that does something. But if that doesn't, then

676
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: I will try snort we's. If it's the right time

677
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: of year, if it's during the rut when a buck

678
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: should get aggressive and we'll be rolled up by another buck,

679
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, challenging him, I'll try snort weis and after

680
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: that I'm done calling. Um. I might if it's the

681
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: right time of year, I might substitute a contact grunt

682
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: with like a can call for a doan estrix. If

683
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: it's that time of year, I might try that too, um,

684
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: but kind of you know, there's always different situations and

685
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: things might fluxuate, but that's my basic process. Um. If

686
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: there's a deal that's really far away, I might try

687
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: rattling instead. Of that calling sequence because that'll carry farther. Um.

688
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: But I've I've decided I'm not going to do the

689
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: try every single call over and over and over again

690
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: until he disappears. Um. That's just not that's not helping man.

691
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: One of the coolest things I've ever seen while an

692
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: entree stand was I watched. It was probably late October,

693
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: so the time for calling was getting getting good, and

694
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: I was in wide open timber, so I could see

695
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: a long ways and it was fairly I was up high,

696
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: and I could kind of see that, you know, all

697
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: the way around me. All right, So I saw a

698
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: buck oh hundreds so yards away for me, maybe even

699
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: a little further, and I rattled at him. Okay, it

700
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: got his attention. But I watched this buck make a

701
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: complete circle all the way around me without closing any distance.

702
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: He made a giant circle all the round, all the

703
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: way around me. This was before I was using any

704
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: kind of set control. Got my wind, it came out.

705
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: The only reason I saw this buck is because the

706
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: timber was so wide open. Now, I imagine if you're

707
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: if you're blind calling and it's in a thicker timber,

708
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: you're not seeing anything coming through these these deer is

709
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: ingrained in their head to get to get get positioned

710
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: before they enter the area, unless they're so horned up

711
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: they can't control themselves. Yeah, I think there are a

712
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: ton of deer that we never see after calling, but

713
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: they are winding us. They're they're aware of us. They

714
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: circled down wind and they wind us and we never know.

715
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: But we spooked to deer without you know, having any idea.

716
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: I think that happens a lot. That happened so much,

717
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: And that's what I don't do. I don't do. I

718
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: do some, but I don't do a ton of blind

719
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: calling anymore because of that unless I've got a really

720
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: good set up where I don't think I'll get winded

721
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: or word dear just can't get down winded me or

722
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: something like that. So the only time I will grow

723
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: up is now is when I see a bucket that

724
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: I that I want to shoot. Yeah. The only time

725
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: I will rattle is if I see a buck that

726
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: I want to shoot, or sometimes I will blind call,

727
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: and that is only if I am seeing a lot

728
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: of movement. If you're not seeing a lot of movement,

729
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: blind calling is not movement. Is kind of an indicator

730
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: of if there could potentially be other deer in the area. Yeah. Yeah,

731
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of mistakes that you and me

732
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: have made, and I'm sure a lot of other people

733
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: when it comes to calls. Now, before we move on

734
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: to the next mistake, we need to pause briefly for

735
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738
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739
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740
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741
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742
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743
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745
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746
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747
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749
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751
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752
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753
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754
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755
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756
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757
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758
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760
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761
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762
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763
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764
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,759
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765
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766
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,880
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Speaker 1: and the details. Now back to the show. What what

770
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: about next? You get another one you want to want

771
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: to touch on? UM? I used to I used to

772
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: play the wind too much? What do you mean by that? Meaning?

773
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: I was so afraid of getting busted that I would

774
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: playing my hunts based on the wind blowing right in

775
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: my face in the complete opposite direction where the deer

776
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: were coming from. So now that I know a lot

777
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: more about how dear move and how terrain affects that

778
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: I was I was hunting completely all wrong. The deer

779
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: were actually going to be heading away from me. They

780
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: were going to be using the wind blowing into their face,

781
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: catching the scent of where they're going, or working a ridge.

782
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: That is uh, you know, Let's say I'm sitting on

783
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: top of a ridge and I'm looking down at a

784
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: valley or a creek, and the wind is blowing in

785
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: my face going up up the hill, I would never

786
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: see hardly any deer because I was afraid my scent

787
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: was going to get into this bottom and ruin everything.

788
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: So I was I was playing the wind thinking, you know, Okay,

789
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: no dearer is gonna gonna bust me in this crp

790
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: field or this corn field because my wind is going

791
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: right into it and I'll see them before they see me. Well,

792
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: they're they're entering that that food source or area wherever

793
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: areare at from a complete different direction. Because these animals

794
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: are used. You know, they live and die by their

795
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: nose in the wind. So it wasn't until maybe four

796
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: years ago that I four or five years ago that

797
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: kind of clicked. And now the way I hunt is

798
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: almost getting busted every hunt. You want to you want

799
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: to be in a position where if that wind shifts

800
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: just a little bit, you're screwed. You have to you

801
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: have to get into a position where a deer is

802
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: going to come into your area and just barely not

803
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: bust you. If that makes any sense, Yeah, it does.

804
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: It's a big part of the big changes for me too.

805
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: That made the it made all the difference is you know,

806
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: I think from the way I look at it now

807
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: is that yes, you have to play the wind, but

808
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: first and foremost think about how to play the wind

809
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: based on how the deer are playing the wind, because right,

810
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: a buck is always, like you mentioned, a buck is

811
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: always trying to use wind in some way to his

812
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: advantage to stay alive. So the biggest thing I think

813
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: we all his hunters need to do, especially for targeting

814
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: mature bucks, is try to understand how mature deer, how

815
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: any dear really, but especially mature bucks, how they use

816
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: the and so, like you mentioned, in a lot of cases,

817
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: they want wind in their face or crossing their face

818
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: so they can smell what's ahead of them or wherever

819
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: they're headed. Or maybe they're using the wind at that

820
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: moment to send check for does or whatever it might be,

821
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: or maybe they're checking their bed before and they move in.

822
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: We need to understand those and you know, we've talked

823
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: about some of those things in the podcast. There's lots

824
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: of great articles about that. There's there's lots of resources

825
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 1: that we can turn to to better understand how dear

826
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: use wind. But you have to understand that and then

827
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: apply that to your stand location and think, okay, don't

828
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: pick a stand location because you're not gonna get winded.

829
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: Pick a stand location because a buck should be moving

830
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: past that area because of the wind. He's using the

831
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: wind in that area to his advantage. And then think

832
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: about how you can set up in that location where

833
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: he's using the wind to his favor to just barely

834
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: cut the corner, like you said, to hopefully not get winded.

835
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: Because if you're in a place where you're never gonna

836
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: get winded, but no bucks ever gonna walk through at

837
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: that time, well, that doesn't do you look good. So

838
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: that's been a big thing for me. And we actually,

839
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: um we posted a couple of things they on our

840
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: Facebook pages of video with Todd Prgnans that's a really

841
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: great resource about this. And then we shared an article

842
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: on weird Hunt from Dan Infalt who has a podcast

843
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: now where he talks all about using wind and thermals

844
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: um And those are two really good resources that will

845
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: link to that that talk about this exact topic. The

846
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: other the other thing is a deer's a deer's nose

847
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: is so good they don't need to see a threat. Okay,

848
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: So they're using these ridges and they're not exposing themselves

849
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: all the winds coming off these ridges down into these

850
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: bottoms and there and there, and this is an example

851
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: of where I hunt. You know, big ridges um coming

852
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: off you know like a food source or a pasture

853
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: or a CRP field, dropping down into a crick or

854
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: a valley, and they're just looping like halfway down these

855
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: ridges or one third up or down off these ridges

856
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: to where they're not exposed at all, but they can

857
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: scent check everything up top. And the hunters are hunting

858
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: up at the very tops, so they're gonna be out

859
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: of range if you do play the wind correctly. So

860
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: you gotta get in there. Let the wind and this

861
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: is one of my best hunting spots. I now, let

862
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: that wind hit my back and blow my scent down

863
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: into the bottom. These deer aren't in the bottom. They're

864
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: up on the ridges, so they're coming. They're coming halfway

865
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: up right right into my location. So they're using kind

866
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: of a ninety degree degree angle to catch the wind

867
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: coming off and by the time they catch me, they're

868
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: already in my shooting line. Yeah, those are those killer spots. Yeah,

869
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: for sure. I UM, it's a tough thing to figure out.

870
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: But this is something that um that in Fault mentioned

871
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: on his podcast, which if if you haven't listened to it,

872
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: make sure you listen to it. There's a link on

873
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: wired to Hunt right now. UM and he talked about

874
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: how he uses milk weed to understand these types of locations,

875
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: to understand what the wind is doing and how the

876
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: deer using it. So you know, if you use a

877
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: little bottle of powder, you spray that and it shows

878
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: the wind direction. That only shows you what's the wind,

879
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: what the wind is doing right next to you. But

880
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: if you use milk weed or a little tuft of

881
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: cotton or whatever it might be. You can actually watch

882
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: that drift ten yards away, fifteen yards away, and you

883
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: can see what it does way far away. And so

884
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: in like your example right there. You know if in

885
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: the past you might have said, oh, I can't hunt

886
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: here because it's blowing down wind of me, and if

887
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: about comes through there, you know he'll get my wind.

888
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: But as it sounds like you meant you saw that,

889
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: these deer where they do come through the wind, you

890
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: know they won't get your wind yet because it blows

891
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: maybe above them right and then drops down um. And

892
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: so if you had milk weed, you can actually see

893
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: what the wind is doing. So that's another good tip

894
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: is is try a visual wind checker that you can

895
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: watch in the distance to see how that wind changes

896
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: in the distance. And you might find locations where you

897
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be having bucks come down wind, but

898
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: maybe because of an eddie in the wind or thermals

899
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: or something else. Actually you can get away with things.

900
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: So that's something to try to. Yeah, and it it's

901
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: crazy because this this year I learned a lot about

902
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: thermals from a mistake. You know, basically mistakes that I

903
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: was making. And I almost compare it to like an

904
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: ocean tide in these in these bottoms and draws, it

905
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: just kind of shifts back and forth until finally the

906
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: heats up and they're they're gone. But I just would

907
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: sit there and watch my um osonics. The same company,

908
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: or Osonics, owns a company that makes a little it's

909
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,959
Speaker 1: I think it's actually called wind tracker or wind Checker

910
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: or something like that. And I'm throwing these things out

911
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: and I'm just watching these um these little fabrics hover

912
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: in the air right in between where the cold air

913
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: and the warm air hit, and they're just floating there

914
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: and they're coming back and forth and back and forth

915
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: and back and forth until finally the bottom sucks out

916
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: they and they drop into the bottom. But Thermal's man

917
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: and wind. It's one of those things where even if

918
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: the wind is just a little bit different, you gotta

919
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: be prepared to sit in a completely different tree. Yeah,

920
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: it's and even if you're doing everything you can possibly

921
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: do from a sun control standpoint, which of course we

922
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: recommend doing, even with all your teas crossing, your eyes dotted,

923
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: still sometimes things aren't going to work. Exactly right, and

924
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: so you still need to be playing that wind both ways.

925
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: So right, what's next? How about this one? Here's a

926
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: story of when I was pretty young, um, I don't know,

927
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: earlier some of my teenage years. UM, I was bow

928
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: hunting and I made a mistake that I learned from

929
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: to a degree. Um at that point, and it's developed

930
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: in me a kind of a pregame ritual before every

931
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: single hunt. Nun So what happened in this case? And

932
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: again I don't know if I told us, but tell

933
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: me if I did. I was hunting on the ground,

934
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: as I think I've told you before back in the day,

935
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: when I hunted my property behind my parents house. It's

936
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: kind of laughable now. My parents wouldn't let me hunt

937
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: the tree stand because they were afraid I was gonna

938
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: follow the tree. And I'm not very coordinated, so I

939
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: can understand about them. I had me and my dad

940
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: had made these portable ground blinds that were basically just

941
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: like ski poles or like a long wooden dowel, like

942
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: maybe four of them, laid out two or three ft apart,

943
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: and then we'd staple like burlap camouflage fabric across the

944
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: front of him, and so you would roll it up

945
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: in a big roll and hike out to where I

946
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: was gonna hunt. And then when I got to warr

947
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: a hunt, I'd stake each one of those ski poles

948
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: or dolls into the ground in a half circle around

949
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: where I was gonna sit next to a tree, and

950
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: that camouflage fabric would cover me, you know, would cover

951
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: me to my shoulders or my chest when I was

952
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: sitting down, so I could move a little bit. So

953
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: that was my portable ground blind back in the day,

954
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years ago whatever. Um, I was bowing

955
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: him early on, I just started, you know, this is

956
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: early on my bow hunting career. I just started and hunting.

957
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: In this bottom, I see the biggest bucket ever seen

958
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: to that point. From what I remember, he was a

959
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: ten pointer. Um. He seemed huge at the time. I

960
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: don't know what that would equate to now, but at

961
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: that time, he seems huge. He crossed acrosses the creek,

962
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: comes walking across in the front of me. I get

963
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: my bow ready. I pulled the bow, you know, up,

964
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: so I'm holding it about the height I need to

965
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: um to draw back at him. He's moving from my

966
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: right to my left. I'm pumped up, you know, I

967
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: third fourteen or fifteen or however many years old. There

968
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: was never seen a buck like this. I'm shaking like crazy.

969
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: He finally is entering an area where I'm gonna be

970
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: able to get a shop, so I draw back. He

971
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: takes another step. I can hardly, you know, hardly keep

972
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: my heart from beating on my chest. And as he's

973
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: moving to the left, I'm panning my bow along with him,

974
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: following along with him, waiting until he gets set opening.

975
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: As I do this, he's probably twenty yards away, so

976
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: he was in with within my range. He's about to

977
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: step into the opening. I'm drawn back. I'm ready. I

978
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: move it a little more to the left, just to

979
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: get in that range. And clunk, my arrow hits one

980
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: of those dowels. Because the dowels were stuck up about

981
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: eight inches higher than the camouflage fabric all the way around,

982
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: and I wasn't paying attention that I hadn't thought about

983
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: that beforehand. The arrow hits, the doll knocks off, the arrow,

984
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: rest falls off my bow. Clink, clink, clunk. The buck

985
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: sees me, hears me, runs off, encounter ruined what I

986
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: learned from that and learned that you always need to

987
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: be aware of your surroundings when you're hunting and about

988
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: what's what you need to do and what's going to

989
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: happen when and if a shot happens, if an opportunity rises.

990
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: So what I do now is every single time I

991
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: get into a tree, I practiced drawing my bow back,

992
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: and I practiced drawing and moving in each one of

993
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: the different potential shot uh shot shooting lanes that I have,

994
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: so I can see, oh, hey, you're not gonna be

995
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: a move here because it was a tree behind your

996
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: right elbow, or hey if you try, if you try

997
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: to drop back here, your tree strap to your harness

998
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: is going to interfere. So now I test that every

999
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: single time I go out and hunt, I test that

1000
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: out to make sure I'm not surprised by wooden Dallas

1001
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: sticking up and knocking my air off or you know,

1002
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: something else getting in the web. So that's been a

1003
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: big thing I learned. It was a big mistake I made.

1004
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 1: It probably ruined what would have been a really nice

1005
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: buck for my early years. And uh now though I've

1006
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: learned from him, dude buck Fever, I used to take

1007
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: it real bad um. It cost me a two inch

1008
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: or cost me shipwreck. You can I can say something, Yeah,

1009
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: you always steal my thunder. You always one up all

1010
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: my stories, every story I tell I saw one forty

1011
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: that was awesome buck for me, and then well, and

1012
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: then kind over the one eight, and then I talked

1013
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: about a nice ten pointer. I had a nice kind

1014
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: of two inch, Like, man, you're killing me with these bucks.

1015
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dude, I guess I didn't realize that. I

1016
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: will stop. I will stop saying numbers. No, no, don't stop.

1017
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: Don't stop saying numbers. Just hunt someone with worst deer.

1018
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm gonna be the first guy to ever

1019
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: have you know, The Nine Finger chronicles the story of

1020
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: a guy who gave up it, gave up everything to

1021
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: move to Michigan. Not to hate on Michigan, because I

1022
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: actually been having a couple of conversations with three different

1023
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: guys and they're saying that it's actually getting better up there.

1024
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: It is getting better, but it's not. It's not Iowa

1025
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: right anyway. Anyway, I'll tell you what buck fever. Buck

1026
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: fever has cost me a couple of deer um, and

1027
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of hard. I mean, it's one of

1028
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: those things that you have to you have to experience

1029
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: in order to realize it. You know, if if the

1030
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: biggest buck you've ever seen comes through the uh the

1031
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: area and you start shaking and going crazy, you know,

1032
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you what to do, how to control yourself,

1033
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: but you're not going to remember it until you've actually

1034
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: had that encounter and learn from it, learn how to

1035
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: handle it. Some guys, you know, I think you wrote

1036
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: an article maybe about big buck serial killers and some

1037
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: character traits. There's there are certain people who just don't

1038
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: get worked up. They still get excited and and and

1039
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: love everything, but they they they become focused instead of

1040
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: blackout like what I used to do. And now because

1041
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: I've had those encounters, I've been in those situations, I

1042
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: can remain calm to a to a certain point. It's definitely,

1043
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: like you said, one of those things I think that

1044
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: comes with experience. Unless you're just a stone cold killer

1045
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: Ralph the Bat and nothing phases you for most guys.

1046
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: You know me too, I I still battle with that.

1047
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, I still get fired. I'm a very emotional,

1048
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: excitable guy, like I Just stuff gets me fired. Up

1049
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: in general. So I was definitely predisposed to buck fever.

1050
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: And I've gotten better, but I still I still have

1051
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: to deal with that. I still learned from it. I

1052
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: still rushed shots, you know, That's one of my big mistakes.

1053
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: I've rushed a lot of shots over the years and

1054
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: still to a degree, dude. And you have to kind

1055
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: of learn yourself, I think, and figure out ways to

1056
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: develop processes to better handle it. At least for me,

1057
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: that's that's how I've tried to attack it. Yeah, yeah,

1058
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's uh, you can't. You know.

1059
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: I had a whole bunch of good encounters with giant

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00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: deer before shipwreck, and I think what caused me is

1061
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: the actual time and effort that I put into that. Dear, oh,

1062
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: ship it's happening. It's happening, it's happening. Instead of I'm ready,

1063
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. It just kind of the moment

1064
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: caught up to me. And you know, like they say

1065
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: in all sports, act like you've been there and I've

1066
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: never been there before. Yeah, and you know, for some

1067
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: people that like, like like we said earlier, it's just

1068
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna be well of those things you have to just

1069
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: get out there, experience it, learn from it, and move

1070
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: on because there's only so much you can do, you know,

1071
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: practicing beforehand and that that really helps more than a

1072
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: will once you just get out there and do it. Okay,

1073
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: So buck favor dude, I'm sure. I'm sure both of

1074
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: us will have some case of it this fall. Hopefully

1075
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: I got buck fever right now. Yeah, I'm a pomp dude.

1076
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Something like I didn't get a hunt

1077
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: a lot because I was returning the favor. But this year,

1078
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, with this trip that we're going on and this,

1079
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, every time I'm on the treadmill or the stairstapper,

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00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: I just I got this picture of like, I don't

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00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: know if I'm It's like I had a dream the

1082
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: other day where I'm running a camera and you're drawing

1083
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: back on a mule lye that stands up out of

1084
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: the bushes. So it was just so one of those

1085
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: dreams that's really realistic. You know. It's all those and

1086
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, I hope that happens. It would

1087
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: be sweet. I'm pumped ere be hunting more this year

1088
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: in general, because I want to I want to hear

1089
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: some good hunting stories from you this fall, and I

1090
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: want especially like when I'm out there, what would be

1091
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: super cool. I'm really hopeful this happens. Um. You know,

1092
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be coming in hunting in Iowa in November

1093
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: at some point. Um, so maybe it's like November eight,

1094
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: and either you or me shoots just a slob like

1095
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: six and a half year old, you know, G two

1096
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: twelve inch G three's flyers off the two split state

1097
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: record and we'll record a podcast live from the spot.

1098
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: We'll bring our little like uh, I don't know, I'll

1099
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: bring my WiFi hotspot and will record out there in

1100
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: the woods talking about it right then and there. That

1101
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: would be pretty sweet. Well, you'd probably be crying, so

1102
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: there'll be a lot of editing. Do I'll tell you what.

1103
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: If I shoot a giant deer, I will cry like

1104
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: a bay be. I'm not joking. I get emotional. I

1105
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: did too, and it's okay, it's okay. Then you can cry.

1106
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: But well, I guess if you ask my dad, no,

1107
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to they're not supposed to cook either,

1108
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: but I love to cook. We won't ask your dad then, Yeah, man,

1109
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm I'm stoked. I'm ready. It's it's only the middle

1110
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: of June, but um gosh, it's gonna be every year.

1111
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: Every year it gets worse too. And I still got it.

1112
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: Like I was. I was dialed in with my bow,

1113
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: and then I the other day and my kisser button

1114
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: popped off and then my peep site started turning in

1115
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: my string. So now I got to go back to

1116
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: the archery shop and get that adjusted, which means I

1117
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: need to start from scratch again. So yeah, that's a pain. Yeah, yeah,

1118
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: I hate that. I absolutely hate when something that happens

1119
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: when you're both set up. Um. So I got one

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01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: more I want to mention. Um. And I made the

1121
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: same steak two years in a row and it's stupid

1122
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: and I shouldn't have done it. But I should have

1123
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: learned that first year afterwards, but I didn't. And this

1124
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: is a case where you know that that first year,

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01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: I was hunting on a Michigan property and it was

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01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: on It was November one, and it was just absolutely

1127
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: on during the rut um. There were bucks chasing dolls

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: all over. I think I went out there and after

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01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: I got there at four o'clock, in between four o'clock

1130
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: and six o'clock or whatever it was that I got

1131
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 1: dark at that time. I saw eleven or twelve different bucks.

1132
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: It was just for for that area was unheard of,

1133
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: tremendous number of bucks, several mature bucks, two bucks fighting.

1134
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: It was an awesome night and you could tell, you know,

1135
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: there was a hot dough in the area. But I

1136
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: was scheduled the next day to drive to Iowa to

1137
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: start hunting. In Iowa, I had the flexibility to do

1138
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: whatever I wanted. But instead of staying there in Michigan

1139
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: where it was absolutely on at that moment, I was like,

1140
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: I was better, I'm gonna go on to go And

1141
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: I left a very hot situation in Michigan where there

1142
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: was an dope in mistress in estress and the rut

1143
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: was on, and I left Iowa. And when I got

1144
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: there in the area I was hunting, it wasn't on.

1145
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: The doughs weren't weren't an estress yet, the bucks weren't

1146
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: chasing yet. It was really slow for like three days there.

1147
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: If I had stuck around an extra day in Michigan

1148
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: when it was really on, maybe I would have killed

1149
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 1: a great buck there. And I never ended up killing

1150
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: anice buck there that year because I missed out on

1151
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: that hot spot. You know, the rut isn't like two

1152
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: weeks straight of NonStop action. It's very staccato, and there's

1153
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: a there's a hot spot this day, there's a hot

1154
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: spot maybe a week later. There's just a couple of

1155
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: these big exciting bursts of excitement in a given area,

1156
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: and um, if you're on one of those, you really

1157
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: need to take advantage of it. Now, fast forward to

1158
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: the next year. I thought I'd learned from this, but

1159
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: then again the exact same thing happened. I'm out there.

1160
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: It's November three or fourth, I think I'm in Michigan,

1161
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: and a big buck is locked on a hot dough

1162
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: and the box are chasing all around it. I can

1163
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: tell there's a hot do in the area. I'm watching it,

1164
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: like a hundred fifty yards away. This buck is locked

1165
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: on or plenty of other bucks are trying to get

1166
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: in on the action. I know this is happening right

1167
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: then there it gets dark. I have to leave. The

1168
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: next day, I was scheduled to go to Ohio, and

1169
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: again the temptation of what's in these other states gets me.

1170
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: I packed up in left Ohio and I left what

1171
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: was an awesome situation there, and um, if I had

1172
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: stuck it out, you know, maybe things would have been

1173
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: different in Michigan, and in said, I went to Ohio

1174
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: and again exactly like in Iowa, the conditions weren't the same.

1175
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: The rut wasn't going right then and there there wasn't

1176
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: a dough in the area that was ready to go,

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01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't see crap for a long time. So

1178
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: twice in a row I left a situation where the

1179
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: rut was popping and there was a hot do in

1180
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: the area. And from now on out, hopefully I'll have

1181
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: the mental strength to never leave a hot zone or

1182
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: hot spot like that again, because during the rut, if

1183
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: you have that hot do in the area, if it's

1184
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: really cranking, you need to stick it out in that

1185
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: area while you've got that little excellent opportunity. That was

1186
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: a big mistaken made a big lesson I learned. Yeah,

1187
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't I can't say i've i've ever I've never

1188
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: had that opportunity to hunt another state during the rut.

1189
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: But you know, Mark, yeah, Mark, Mark Mark Buck hunting

1190
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: one oh one man, don't leave the hot spot, I know.

1191
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: And it's it's even if you're you know, even if

1192
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: you're hunting the same state like in your case, you know,

1193
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: if you if you get a hot spot, yeah, like

1194
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: you said, it's one on one, you can't leave it.

1195
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: And even sometimes that is one situation where it is

1196
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: okay to hunt a little more than you might usually

1197
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: in one stand your loss times we talk about that

1198
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: you don't want to hunt the same spot more than

1199
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 1: a couple of times because those dear learned. But during

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01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: the rut, I'll bet your off bets are off. And

1201
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: if that if that action is super hot, you know,

1202
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: you gotta stick it out. You gotta be there, um.

1203
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: And might be a day, a whole day, it might

1204
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: be two days, might be three days, um. But you

1205
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: have to be there when it's on because you don't

1206
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: get that many chances like that. Right, So that was

1207
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: a big mistake, stupid, but I didn't. We're smarter because

1208
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: of it, right, from these mistakes that we've made. It's true,

1209
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: like we always say, you have to learn from those

1210
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: failures and we get like you said, we get better

1211
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: because of them. So that's that's this whole episode is about.

1212
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: It's about the things that have made us better. Hunters.

1213
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: We've screwed up. We've missed dear, we've messed up on deer.

1214
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: We've screwed up hunts. But you know, sitting here today,

1215
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: I think you and they are much more effective deer

1216
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: hunters because we made those mistakes and because we thought

1217
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: about what those mistakes were and how we could improve

1218
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: upon them. So right, So, I mean, what we want

1219
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: to know is, you know, I always like reading the

1220
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: results of the podcast. So what I want to know

1221
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: from the listeners out there is, you know, to make

1222
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: it interactive, is to tell us what your biggest mistake

1223
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: was and how you fixed it. And if you put

1224
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: hashtag W to H challenge, Um, all those pop up

1225
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: by just by clicking, and all those pop up in

1226
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: the same feed, and we can we can read those results,

1227
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: and everybody can read those results, and your mistake might

1228
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: help someone else make that particular mistake. And you know

1229
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: that's what this is all about, helping each other and

1230
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: and uh, preventing stupidity. So I've got an idea. All right,

1231
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: let's do it. Um, So we use the hashtag W

1232
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: two HS challenge for our you know, the challenge that

1233
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: we have challenge. Episode We had a couple of couple

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01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: episodes ago, okay, UM, and I like the fact that

1235
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: lots of people are engaging with that, you know, sharing

1236
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: their challenges or how they're tackling one of the things

1237
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: we talked about, UM. And so I've been thinking, I

1238
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: want to, you know, just like you said, I want

1239
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: to find a way to you know, get every all

1240
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: of you guys listening. You guys can interact with us

1241
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: more on each episode, UM and talk about each topic.

1242
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking two things. For each episode, I'm going

1243
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: to post you know, this podcast asked. We'll post it

1244
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: on the wire d on Facebook page, and we'll have

1245
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: a discussion topic for each episode. And on the Facebook page,

1246
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: you'll go to the post for this episode and you

1247
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: guys can answer the question or we can all discuss

1248
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: a certain topic underneath that Facebook post. On top of that,

1249
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: we'll also have the hashtag. Like you said, Dan, But

1250
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: what I was thinking is instead of using the same

1251
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: W tweets challenge, instead of using that, since we already

1252
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: kind of use that, let's use a different hashtag for

1253
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: each episode. So if you're talking about podcast episode number sixty,

1254
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: do hashtag W two H podcast sixty And that way

1255
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: anytime you guys have a question or you want to

1256
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: comment on something stupid I said in episode sixty or

1257
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: anything like that, just post about on Facebook or Twitter

1258
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: with hashtag W two H podcast and then whatever number,

1259
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: and then we'll all be able to see it. We'll

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01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: all be able to you know, participate in the conversation

1261
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: for that specific episode. And that should make things, I

1262
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: think easy, and it'll be a cool way to engage

1263
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: on each one of those. So for this one, Dan,

1264
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: like you said, um, let's hear about what your biggest

1265
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: mistakes were. So on Facebook we'll post this will be

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Speaker 1: asking you to share your biggest mistakes and feel free

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Speaker 1: to comment on Twitter two and uh, it should be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that you and me aren't the only ones

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Speaker 1: doing some of these stupid things. Dan. I'd hate to

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Speaker 1: be left out in the cold, for sure. So I

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Speaker 1: think that's a good I think that's a good place

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Speaker 1: to stop. What about you? Yeah, I H I really

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Speaker 1: should stop doing these podcasts with you because every time

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Speaker 1: I every time I I sit here in a record

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Speaker 1: one then I have to go upstairs and I really,

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Speaker 1: I really don't want to talk about the Bachelorette. But

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of forced to. I'd rather talk about deer

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Speaker 1: hunting or our mule deer trip or something like that,

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Speaker 1: but instead I gotta watch Dora the Explorer or change

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Speaker 1: a diaper or you know, do you do dad stuff

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Speaker 1: hashtag dad problems. Yeah, man, I feel for you. But

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Speaker 1: just think a couple more years and Mac will be

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Speaker 1: your hunting buddy and then you'll be able to go

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Speaker 1: upstairs and talk a big deal with him. Yep, so

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Speaker 1: that that will be pretty cool. So alright, let's shut

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Speaker 1: this down. And uh, we've got some really cool guests

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Speaker 1: coming up in the next couple of weeks stand um

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Speaker 1: that I'm working on lining up. So we've got we

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Speaker 1: should have an action packed summer leading up to the

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Speaker 1: hunting season here on the podcast. So there you go,

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Speaker 1: sound effects, sound effects, There you go, perfect timing. That

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Speaker 1: was good. I like that. I think you can keep

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Speaker 1: your job. Um. Okay, So before we wrap things up,

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Speaker 1: another quick update. Wired Hunt details are now available with

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Speaker 1: our new logo. We used to have some of the

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Speaker 1: old website designed the whole logo. We've got new details

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Speaker 1: available for sale on the site. So go to wird

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Speaker 1: hunt dot com click on shop. You'll see those details

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Speaker 1: are pretty cool. I got them on the car now,

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Speaker 1: so check those out if you'd like. Um. Another thing,

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Speaker 1: another reminder question for all of you, if you haven't

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Speaker 1: yet subscribed to the podcast on your mobile device, you

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Speaker 1: might want to try that. It's a lot easier. I've

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Speaker 1: gotten feedback from some people saying that, you know, they

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Speaker 1: listen to it when they're actually going on the website

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Speaker 1: and they cook play on the website, but then they

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Speaker 1: have to leave and they lose their their track or

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Speaker 1: whatever on the site. UM, it's a lot easier if

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Speaker 1: you just have it downloaded to your phone or your

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Speaker 1: tablet device. So go to iTunes or go to the

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Speaker 1: podcast app on your Apple device, or Stitcher for your

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Speaker 1: Android device, or or any other podcast app and just subscribe.

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Speaker 1: That way, you'll get to your phone right away, you

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Speaker 1: can listen to it when you're driving or whatever, and

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Speaker 1: it's just it's an easier experience. So I'd recommend that

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Speaker 1: if you haven't done that yet. UM. Also, we of

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Speaker 1: course want to thank our partners who helped make this

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Speaker 1: show possible. UM. You know, as always we say this,

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Speaker 1: but we really really mean it. These companies are supporting us,

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Speaker 1: so we appreciate anything you can do to to support

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Speaker 1: them or let them know that. Hey, thank you for

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Speaker 1: supporting the Wired to Hunt podcast because it's it's half decent.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are kind of interesting to listen to occasionally,

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Speaker 1: so thank you too. Sick of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery,

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Speaker 1: Redneck Blinds, huntera, maps, Osonics, Carbon Express, Lacrosse Boots, and

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. Thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and of course thank you to all of

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Speaker 1: you listening. Thanks for joining us, thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. Hopefully you learn something from this

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Speaker 1: from us sharing our stupidity and our mistakes. Hopefully that

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Speaker 1: wasn't just boring to listen to, but actually helpful and

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Speaker 1: maybe you can relate to that too. So thanks a lot,

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Speaker 1: have an awesome week, and stay Wired to Hunt,