WEBVTT - Gloria Gaynor

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Lefsett's podcast. My

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<v Speaker 1>guest today is Gloria Gainer, who has a new EP. Gloria,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you recording? Why now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because I have some things to say. I have

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<v Speaker 2>some things that I want to share with my audience

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<v Speaker 2>that I think will be enjoyable for them but also

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<v Speaker 2>valuable for them.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you want to share?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to share hope. I want to share encouragement.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to share empowerment and self esteem.

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<v Speaker 1>Are these issues that you've wrestled with personally?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, yeah, absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you maintain hope?

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<v Speaker 2>I maintain hopeful my faith? I'm an avid Christian?

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<v Speaker 1>And have you always been a believer?

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<v Speaker 2>Well since I was sixteen years old?

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<v Speaker 1>And was there a special event that triggered you?

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<v Speaker 2>Then it's a silly event that triggered it. I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was at home and you remember the old Inquirer

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper still left the still anyway, there was a they

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<v Speaker 2>ran an article that they're saying that the Earth was

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<v Speaker 2>going to collide with the moon. And you know how

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you can see the moon and it looks because

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<v Speaker 2>of atmospheric changes. Get does look bigger right well, as

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<v Speaker 2>a child, I didn't know about that. So when I

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<v Speaker 2>saw that, I thought it was true that the Earth

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<v Speaker 2>was moving closer to the Moon and eventually they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to collide. And one night I during that period,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to bed and woke up the next night

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<v Speaker 2>that night to go to the bathroom, and on the

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<v Speaker 2>way back to my bedroom, I looked out my window

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<v Speaker 2>and I saw this red, thick fog. I went to

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<v Speaker 2>the window, and the fog was so thick I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even see the ground, and I couldn't see the neighbor's

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<v Speaker 2>adjacent window, and so I determined that it was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be happen. It was about to happen. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I heard this noise louder than any noise I ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard in my entire life, and I was certain it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to happen. So I was going to go

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<v Speaker 2>and wake up my parents and decided to know if

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<v Speaker 2>if we were all going to die, then they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>need to suffer the pretension with me that I just

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<v Speaker 2>go to bed. I went to bed, and I prayed

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<v Speaker 2>that the Lord would take us into heaven. And I

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<v Speaker 2>woke up the next one, of course, and found out

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<v Speaker 2>the sun was shining on both sides of the street

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<v Speaker 2>and everything was fine. But I found out that the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I heard that noise, that this loud noise

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<v Speaker 2>that I thought was the earth crashing with the moon

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<v Speaker 2>was the first ever play to take off from the

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<v Speaker 2>New Newark International Airport and we were in a flight

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<v Speaker 2>path I'd never heard a plane pick off before. And

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why, well, they even were talking about that

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<v Speaker 2>the plane was delayed because of the fog that had

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<v Speaker 2>this terrible fog that had rolled into Newark that morning.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason why the fog was read was because

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<v Speaker 2>the bar across the street had forgotten to turn their

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<v Speaker 2>neon sign off that night, the night before. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was said up a perfect storm for a sixteen year

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<v Speaker 2>older to suddenly find her faith and decide that it

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<v Speaker 2>was time to give my heart to the Lord. So

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<v Speaker 2>I asked my mother to take me to church and

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<v Speaker 2>let me be baptized, and she did, and I've been

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<v Speaker 2>a believer ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what did your parents think about you becoming a believer?

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<v Speaker 1>Were they believers?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, they were glad for the decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you start going to the church. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>go to church still?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, I still go to church every Sunday that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at home, and well.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you sing in church?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. When I was a kid, I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't go very much. I went for a few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I stopped going as a kid because my

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<v Speaker 2>mother didn't go to church. She was in and dated

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<v Speaker 2>with church as a child and made a silent vow

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<v Speaker 2>that if her children didn't want to go to church,

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<v Speaker 2>she wouldn't make them go because she had to go

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<v Speaker 2>like four times a week.

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<v Speaker 1>And she just.

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<v Speaker 2>Decided I wasn't going to do that. So after a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks, I just stopped going. I lost interest in

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on in the church, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>lose interest in God, and so I kept my faith.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't participate in church until later years. I

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<v Speaker 2>really started going back to church. And I had an

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<v Speaker 2>incident that happened to me out in California that sent

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<v Speaker 2>me running back to church.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened there, Well, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>About to long story short, about to indulge in something new,

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<v Speaker 2>various things with that we were very common out in

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<v Speaker 2>California with drugs and stuff, and I felt the Holy

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<v Speaker 2>Spirit grab me in my collar literally felt him, grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>me in my calling and say that's enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, going back, So we live in a crazy

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<v Speaker 1>world right now, politically, climate weather. For those of us

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<v Speaker 1>who are not believers, how do we maintain hope?

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I cannot answer that one for

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<v Speaker 2>you because I don't know what I would do without

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<v Speaker 2>my Lord.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Another thing you said you wanted to accomplish with

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<v Speaker 1>the new ep IS address people's self esteem. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>also something you've struggled with?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, yeah, I stuff it with self esteem as

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<v Speaker 2>a child because I had some very difficult things that

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me when I was a child out and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and those things really chipped away at my self esteem.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I had a and plus I was overweight.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a huge appetite as a skinny little child,

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<v Speaker 2>and decided to stuff myself until I started gaining weight

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<v Speaker 2>and then couldn't stop. And then they went from calling

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<v Speaker 2>me skinny Minnie and Lolo chopsticks to fatty arbuckle and

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<v Speaker 2>porky pig. And so all of that chipped away at

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<v Speaker 2>my self esteem. And so that at the time I

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<v Speaker 2>became a young woman in my early twenties, I had.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very low on self esteem.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you build up your self esteem?

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<v Speaker 2>I built up my self esteem again with my faith.

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<v Speaker 2>I really got involved in my faith and came to

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<v Speaker 2>the conclusion that if God loved me, why should it

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<v Speaker 2>matter what anyone else thinks.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you mentioned weight. How did you end up losing

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<v Speaker 1>the weight? Did you still struggle with body issues?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I was still struggling with that. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>was told by my management that I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be elected Queen of Discos and I said, Oh, that

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<v Speaker 2>must mean I'm going to be a star, So I

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<v Speaker 2>think I better try to look like one. And I

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<v Speaker 2>went to a doctor and he put me on this

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous diet that actually worked, but it was so so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was ridiculous. He put me on ups

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<v Speaker 2>to shake my appetite. He put me on downs because

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<v Speaker 2>the ups made me nervous. And I say he gave

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<v Speaker 2>me a sideways because he gave me a thyroid tablet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I lost forty five pounds in six weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>The diet consisted of a glass of grayfood juice for

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<v Speaker 2>breakfast and glass of grayfuo juice for lunch, and a

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<v Speaker 2>glass of tomato juice for dinner. Period, I dreamed I

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<v Speaker 2>saw fried chickens walking around in the yard.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you stop that diet, how did you maintain

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<v Speaker 1>your body?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I set some hard fast rules. Never eat after

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<v Speaker 2>eight o'clock at night, never overeat, never eat more than

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<v Speaker 2>one starch at a meal, and make sure you have

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<v Speaker 2>six to eight glass of the water a day. As

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<v Speaker 2>long as I maintain that, I kept the weight off.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I have a friend who was on television consistently,

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<v Speaker 1>and on Christmas, he went to order takeout and he

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting outside and a person came up to you

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<v Speaker 1>and said, aren't you so and so? And he goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes and the person said, you look like shit.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what do you feel that when you leave

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<v Speaker 1>the house that you have to have a certain appearance

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<v Speaker 1>to what degree? Since you are a famous person, do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel pressure to have a physical image commensurate with

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<v Speaker 1>the image in people's mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's not a whole lot of pressure on me

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<v Speaker 2>for that. I mean, I just came back from from

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<v Speaker 2>physical therapy. This is how I look when I go

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<v Speaker 2>out of my house, no matter what doesn't have anything

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<v Speaker 2>to do with my my stardom. It's just my own

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<v Speaker 2>just how I want to be presented to public, to

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<v Speaker 2>the public.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you tend to be recognized?

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, not here anyway. I'm recognized outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, but not here.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. So if you're outside the United States, why

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that is?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they have They don't have as many artists,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not inundated with with with stars in other

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<v Speaker 2>countries and uh and certainly not black stars in other countries,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they're more likely to, you know, pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>and take notice.

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<v Speaker 1>So why are you going to physical therapy?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm having problem with my back. I've had problems with

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<v Speaker 2>my back since I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the diagnosis?

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<v Speaker 2>Just muscular things. I just need some muscle strengthen. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to be a certain age, if you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't done things, you know, to say a body in motion,

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<v Speaker 2>stays in motion, and certain things. When you get older,

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<v Speaker 2>you just stop doing because it's just not a part

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<v Speaker 2>of your day. And then when you go to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, your body is like, oh, oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not doing that anymore, don't we don't do that,

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<v Speaker 2>And so you have to retrain and that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing retrainings.

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<v Speaker 1>So physical therapy is a working for you. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>just have physical therapy this morning. So we're on the

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<v Speaker 1>same page. Yeah, okay, let's go back to the EP.

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<v Speaker 1>So you say you want to get these messages across.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you start or what did you do first?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the first thing I did was write the songs.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, actually the first thing I did was get

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<v Speaker 2>together with some pe people that I wanted to write with,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we wrote the songs.

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<v Speaker 1>And then stop there. Because you wrote with some very

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<v Speaker 1>successful people, how did you hook up with these people?

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<v Speaker 2>Through my producer Chris Stevens. He knows a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>writers because he's a multi multi multi Grammy Award winner

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<v Speaker 2>and so he knows a lot of He's in Nashville,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a music town, and so he knows tons

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<v Speaker 2>of writers and singers and musicians and he hooked me up.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody has a different style. What was it like,

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<v Speaker 1>did you sit in the room together they say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to write a song Nashville style.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, we just we sat in the room together

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<v Speaker 2>and said we're going to write a song Glory gainnerstyle.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I meant that's how they do it. Na. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not that you couldn't write a country song, but having

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<v Speaker 1>heard the song, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Have written a country song. I have written a country song.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were in the room, had these messages you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get a out.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to start, Well, you start with an idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I start when I write. I start with an idea,

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<v Speaker 2>what do I What do I want to talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>And then what do I want to say about it?

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<v Speaker 2>And then we start to figure out how to put

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<v Speaker 2>those thoughts and feelings into into sentences, and then how

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<v Speaker 2>to make them rhyme and uh yeah, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>you know, separate them into verses and chorus. What what? What? What?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the main point? The main point is what

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<v Speaker 2>you want to repeat and make the chorus.

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<v Speaker 1>So how long did it take to write these songs?

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<v Speaker 1>And how many songs did you have to write to

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<v Speaker 1>get the ones who are on the record.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, the ones that were on the record are

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<v Speaker 2>the only ones we wrote. Actually we wrote. Uh it

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<v Speaker 2>took us maybe three weeks, three four weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm interested. You work with Liz Rose, who co

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<v Speaker 1>wrote all the songs on the first couple of Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>Swift Records, because you know there were multiple people you

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<v Speaker 1>wrote with. Yeah, and I assumed they had different styles. Yes, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me what it was like working with Liz Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great working with her. The song that she

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<v Speaker 2>came up with the idea for this song, and I

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<v Speaker 2>loved it because I immediately thought of someone in my

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<v Speaker 2>life that I felt that the song her idea reminded

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<v Speaker 2>me of. So it was pretty easy for us to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with the lyrics for that song because I

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<v Speaker 2>already have feelings about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you worked with people Michael Pollock worked with Marie Cyrus,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Tana who worked with Fits in the Tantrums, Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Brownleo who worked with Michael W. Smith and Aliambrullia, Caitlin Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>Miley Cyrus, and Meghan Trainer, Christi who had success with

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<v Speaker 1>country artists like Jason Alden and Kenny Destiny. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the difference in writing with all these different people, Well, each.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them had each one had a different style,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh, they all were lending themselves to what I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted because they knew it was going to be my

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<v Speaker 2>music and my my recording. The difference was getting used

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<v Speaker 2>to their sort of slant on things and their uhh

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<v Speaker 2>ideas about what the subject matter and and and and

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<v Speaker 2>how it should be expressed and exactly what you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to express in each thing, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a little bit different with each one, but

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<v Speaker 2>the great thing was that they were all accommodating to

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<v Speaker 2>me what I was looking for and what I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>and what I wanted to end up with.

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<v Speaker 1>And is it different writing with a woman as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a man.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, not really.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the songs are written, what's the next step.

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<v Speaker 2>The next step is the music, and so I have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with that. I the only musical instrument

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<v Speaker 2>I can play is my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes with their phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, so yeah, well I've got some recordings on my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>but but not not not with musical and not as

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<v Speaker 2>a musical instrument. So I leave that to them. I gave,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we give. I give the lyrics to Chris

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and and I don't even I really even

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<v Speaker 2>do melodies. I'm a strictly a lyricist. I once in

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<v Speaker 2>a while I come up with a melody that that

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<v Speaker 2>works and is pleasant to someone besides me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So he cut everything and then you just came

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<v Speaker 1>in to sing mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you first heard the tracks, who say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go or do you hear them and you go,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not exactly what I envision? Can we change this?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes? Sometimes I change a thing or two, or want

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<v Speaker 2>to add an instrument or or I want something one

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<v Speaker 2>thing to be more prominent than the other, and isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the way. It isn't like that when he first presents

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<v Speaker 2>it to me. But that's very rare. I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>leave I Throughout my life, I've been working with people.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of pick people who I feel are the

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<v Speaker 2>best that are available to me and then let them

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<v Speaker 2>do their thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And are you the type of vocalist do you

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<v Speaker 1>sing it once or you have to warm up singing

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<v Speaker 1>a million times? And they're comping among some number of tracks?

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<v Speaker 1>How does it work?

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<v Speaker 2>Generally? I don't have them, don't have a lot of takes.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I have some recordings that have been released

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<v Speaker 2>with first takes.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't generally have a lot of takes. I

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<v Speaker 2>have more takes to Chris than I have with any

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<v Speaker 2>other producer because he's very very don't want to stay

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<v Speaker 2>picky exactly yes, that's better word.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So when you're singing the songs in the studio,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some people insist that it be dark. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people are self conscious, some people are in the mood.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going through your head when you're singing.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going through my head is what's going from my

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<v Speaker 2>mouth into that microphone, and nothing else matters. I just

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<v Speaker 2>want some water nearby, and that's it. I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>about the lighting. I don't care about the space that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in. I don't care. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you let yourself be free? Or you're

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<v Speaker 1>such a pro you can just stand up and sing it,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you get your state of mind in the

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<v Speaker 1>right place.

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<v Speaker 2>I just concentrate on what the song is about and

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<v Speaker 2>the message that I'm trying to get across, and imagining

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<v Speaker 2>people hearing it and what they're feeling getting the feelings

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<v Speaker 2>that they're getting from the music and from what I'm singing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where I am. I'm in concert, when i'm performing,

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<v Speaker 2>when i'm singing, when I'm doing a recording.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the record is done. The record business is

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<v Speaker 1>very different than it was in the pre internet era.

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<v Speaker 1>When you have these gigantic kits and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>most well known acts put out music and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>known by many, even the biggest acts. We mentioned Taylor Swift,

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<v Speaker 1>she may be very big, but a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>don't know her music. I only mentioned her. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>know a lot of other people's music. So what are

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<v Speaker 1>your expectations for the recordings?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my expectations is for the fans that I already

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<v Speaker 2>have to hear the music and love it and then

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<v Speaker 2>try to share it with their friends who don't know

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<v Speaker 2>me or having heard these particular news songs, and that

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<v Speaker 2>it was spread that way. I also hope that we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get more exposure from the internet, you know, from the

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<v Speaker 2>internet platforms, musical platforms on the Internet, and that will

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<v Speaker 2>be spread throughout the nation and hopefully throughout the world

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<v Speaker 2>that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you mentioned your phone. Are you someone who is

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet a lot? Are you only using your

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<v Speaker 1>phone for phone calls?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not on the internet a lot. I go on occasionally.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done some things on TikTok and I go on it,

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<v Speaker 2>like this morning, I put on a message about my

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<v Speaker 2>mother because it's my mother's birthday today.

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<v Speaker 1>Gopy birthday. Thank you who would she have been oof.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred, one hundred and something that she was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>something years older than I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you put a post on TikTok. Did you do

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<v Speaker 1>it yourself or did somebody help you? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I did myself.

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<v Speaker 1>So how'd you learn how to do it?

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<v Speaker 2>I just went on and checked it out. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody taught me. I just figured it out,

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<v Speaker 2>followed the directions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, you'll be amazed how many people from our

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<v Speaker 1>age group can't do that. It's how often I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't remind me. I keep telling my friends coming

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<v Speaker 2>to the twenty first century for crying out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>You're speaking my language. You know. People say I hate TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the worst. Have you ever been on?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, at least go on see what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So you post on TikTok? Will you ever scroll on

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok see what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've got some I've followed a few people

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<v Speaker 2>because I love dancing, so I follow some dancers on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>And you post this stuff. But to what degree do

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<v Speaker 1>you interact with your fans?

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<v Speaker 2>Not a whole lot, not a lot, Because I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>there along. I feel like I'm on there too long

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm posting, and then I don't have toime to

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<v Speaker 2>hang out on there.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does your normal day when you're not on

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<v Speaker 1>the road look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, normal day when I'm not on the road, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I've go to physical therapy nowadays, physical therapy, looking over

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<v Speaker 2>my wardrobe and making sure that I'm ready and have

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<v Speaker 2>what I want and my clothes have been taken care of,

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<v Speaker 2>any cleaning or alterations that need to be done for

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<v Speaker 2>things that I might want to wear, and checking my makeup,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all of those things that I need on

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<v Speaker 2>the road, praying, studying the Bible, reading, watching television. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an avid TV fan and and and as I live alone,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm often eating alone, and I don't like eating alone,

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<v Speaker 2>so I watch TV while I eat, which I don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's very good, but I do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh yeah, changing things, decorating my home, writing, writing songs,

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<v Speaker 2>writing just thoughts, some things that I plan to soon

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<v Speaker 2>put on onto social media. Even if I don't do

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<v Speaker 2>it myself, I'll give it to my social media person

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<v Speaker 2>to post.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, So, what do you watch on TV?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in love with Equalizer, that the series with that's

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<v Speaker 2>her name, just right out of my head, Queen Latifa,

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<v Speaker 2>I like, I like, I like Detective stuff pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>what I want and I and I love Marvel comics.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Marvel. I'm a Marvel Yeah yeah, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>all the superheroes.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get into that?

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<v Speaker 2>Since I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>So you used to read those comic books? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've seen all the movies, the Superman, the Adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, Smallville even Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I wanted to discuss the Marvel universe, you

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<v Speaker 1>could participate in them, I think so. Yeah. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>how many days a year are you on the road

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<v Speaker 1>these days?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm only doing like thirty shows a year, not a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're talking about being home the glory gainer.

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<v Speaker 1>Business is business unto itself. To what degree do you

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<v Speaker 1>socialize with friends, go to dinner, talk on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I go. And I have a vacation place in

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<v Speaker 2>Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, and I love it there because

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<v Speaker 2>that's where my social life really comes to life because

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<v Speaker 2>everyone there is either retired or on vacation, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>always up for fun. And so that's a great place.

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<v Speaker 2>Matter of fact, I'm playing and go down this summer

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<v Speaker 2>and spend a few weeks there here, not so much

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<v Speaker 2>because everybody's busy and running, and most of my friends

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<v Speaker 2>at my age, of course have grandchildren and they're all

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<v Speaker 2>involved with their grandchildren and all of that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have any children, so it's not as much. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do, you know, go to plays and and once

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<v Speaker 2>in a while go to the movies and sometimes have

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<v Speaker 2>friends over to watch a movie in my home theater.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some dinners at home because I love to cook,

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<v Speaker 2>so I have friends over for dinner. And yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>So you love to cook. What are a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>your specialties.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's one that my that that's probably my my

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<v Speaker 2>friend's favorite. That's that I call chicken a lah gainer,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a it's a chicken dish that I came

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<v Speaker 2>up with years ago when my husband called me with

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<v Speaker 2>forty five minutes he was gonna arrive in forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes with company for dinner. Came up with this quick

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<v Speaker 2>meal and my friends love it because it really tastes

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<v Speaker 2>like you've been cooking for hours, but it's really quick

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<v Speaker 2>and simple to pull together, and they use it often.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you make it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you roast chicken parts at four hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five degrees so that the skin is crispy. While that's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>you make a sauce of cream of chicken, soup, sour cream,

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<v Speaker 2>and milk. And when the chicken is crispy and done,

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<v Speaker 2>you pour the soup over the chicken so that it

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<v Speaker 2>gets a little bit on the skin, but mostly it's

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<v Speaker 2>the meat of the chicken is soaking and it goes

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<v Speaker 2>back crispy again. But with the flavor now of this sauce,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you serve that with saffron rice and some

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<v Speaker 2>colorful vegetables. You have her delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>So when am I coming over?

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever you're feelful?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how did you learn how to cook?

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<v Speaker 2>With my mother? My mother was a great cook, and

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<v Speaker 2>she had to be a well, she didn't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a good cook. But I'm praise God that she

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<v Speaker 2>was a good cook because we were very poor. And

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<v Speaker 2>what I remember my mother sending me an off and

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 2>telling story of my mother sending me to the store

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>for dinner. With the quarter she told me to get

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 2>fifteen cents worth of bacon skins and ten cents worth

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:35.120
<v Speaker 2>of beans, and she made a delicious dinner at which

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>we had two or three people for company from my

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 2>friends came to eat because my mother made dinner fun.

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 2>She made the she made She said she didn't have

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the the she couldn't afford baking powder to make bread rice.

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>So she made crackers like animal crackers. She made them

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 2>in animal shapes, and she let us play with them

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 2>at the table and use our imagination and just have

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.679
<v Speaker 2>fun eating and enjoying one another's company. And so they

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 2>love to come over for dinner. Okay, So where did

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 2>you grow up in Newark, New Jersey?

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>You know Newark in the sixties, there were riots in Newark.

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of racial tension. What was it

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>like when you were growing up there?

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, riots and racial tension, but it was fun and

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 2>it was I tell you something we used to have.

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Something used to happen in my neighborhood. I don't know

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.119
<v Speaker 2>how far it went, but it happened in my neighborhood.

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:33.200
<v Speaker 2>And when I grew up and found out that it

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't happening in other neighborhoods or in other cities, I

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 2>really felt a sense of sadness for the rest of

0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>the world, because what would happen is in the summer,

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>spring and summer, one kid would come out with a

0:27:46.200 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 2>set of bongos and he sits there on the corner

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 2>playing the bongos, and another kid would come out with

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 2>acoustic guitar, and somebody would come out with a horn,

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:57.399
<v Speaker 2>and we'd have a band. And then people would come

0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 2>out and sing, and before you knew it, the whole

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:03.199
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood stand out on the corner singing and playing songs

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 2>together and dancing and having great fun. And I thought

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>that happened everywhere in the spring and summer. And when

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I found out it didn't, I thought, oh my god,

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>they did.

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 1>They did have that. Oh I'm sorry. So were your

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:16.959
<v Speaker 1>parents from Newark?

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well they were. My mother was from Alabama, my

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:22.399
<v Speaker 2>father was from Newark.

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.359
<v Speaker 1>So how'd your mother get from Alabama to New Jersey?

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Her mother brought her to Newark when she was five

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 2>years old. She said. The first thing is the biggest

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 2>thing she remembers, with all the yellow buggies, which were

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:36.200
<v Speaker 2>yellow taxicabs.

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 1>And how did your parents meet?

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I honestly don't know. How they meant.

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>And what did they do for a living.

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>My mother was a seamstress and my father was a

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 2>fireman and a musician.

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>How many kids in the family.

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Five boys and two girls?

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Are you in the hierarchy?

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I had a younger brother and a younger sister and

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>four older brothers.

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's a lot of kids. Did you feel like

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>you were lost in the shuffle or no?

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 2>No, not really. I kind of blended in being tom girl.

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>I was a tomgirl. My brother and I used to

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>climb thing. Well, you got such a thing for climbing,

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and I still have a thing for heights, taking pictures

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 2>from great heights and craziness like that. I took a

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 2>picture at Grand Canyon. It was so dangerous it took

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 2>me two hours to go to sleep that night. I thought,

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>what were you thinking? I was hanging off for a

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 2>cliff that was a mild drop. It was a beautiful picture,

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>but what a stupid thing to do.

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>How old were you when you did it?

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 3>This was just a few years ago, So what were

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 3>you thinking? I don't know, I don't know, just that

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 3>it was going to be a great picture, you know.

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I was at the Grand Canyon like fifteen years ago

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and on the south rim, you know, you can walk.

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>The path was like a little dirt path and you

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>could reach to your left and that was a mild drop.

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was scared walking on the.

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>On. Yeah, there was a there was a there was

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>a spot there. We saw a girl taking the picture

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 2>as we were walking by. We decided we want to

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>come back and take a picture, and we did. And

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>this is this one spot where there's about a one

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>foot I don't know what a step and beyond and

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>right on the outside of that step was it was

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 2>it was like almost like a stool, but that's all

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 2>there was, and we would step down. We stepped down

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 2>on that step, held onto the ground, stepped down on

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 2>that step, sat on the stool and took the picture.

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>There was a whole canyon behind you. And it's a

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 2>beautiful picture. But how stupid can you.

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Be when you say we? Who is we?

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:03.920
<v Speaker 2>My manager?

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>So you've been around the world? Where have you not been?

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's a lot of tons of places I haven't been.

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I've only been to ninety countries. And there's how many

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>countries are there in the world, like four hundred or something.

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Is there any place you haven't been that is on

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>your bucket list.

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to go to probably like Nigeria. I haven't

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 2>been to that kind of part of Africa. The parts

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>of Africa that I've been to are like Egypt and

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Cape Town, Johannesburg, Bapuda, Swana, But those are like really

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 2>well known places. I just want to go like real

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>get into the crux of it Africa.

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Are you the type of person who's into genealogy, your history,

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Not really, okay, So what are a couple

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 1>of the place you know? I certainly haven't traveled as

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 1>much as you have, but I find, you know, the

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>places where the people don't really speak English that well

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>and more of the beaten path are a better experience.

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>So where are some of the places you've gone and

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>had great experiences?

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 2>My best experience the only place I've ever been in

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the world where you walk down the street and people

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>come out of the stores and say, welcome to our country.

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 2>When you go into a store, you have to have

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 2>a coke or a coffee or a tea before you

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 2>can even tell them what you came in there for.

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>And that's Lebanon.

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Really, How long ago was that your experience. Leven has

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>been through a lot of changes. Yeah.

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 2>No, the last time I was in Lebanon was probably

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 2>twelve years ago. The first time was in nineteen eighty five,

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 2>during the war, right, Yeah. Matter of fact, they had

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 2>me on sixty minutes and they said, on one street

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>there's Gloria Gainer, the next street there's the war.

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 1>So you were there to play a gig.

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I was there to do several shows.

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, in the back of your mind you say, well, no,

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>should I be here?

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, not until after they told us they bombed the

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>place that we were supposed to work in the night

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 2>before the show. That was all right up until then.

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're growing up. What kind of kid are you?

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>You're a good student. You have a lot of friends.

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't have any friends. I didn't have any

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>friends because I was a neighborhood conscience.

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Tell me more.

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I was practical to a fault, and so I believe

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 2>that it made sense to obey your parents rather than

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 2>go along with what your friends wanted to do, even

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>though if you thought it was gonna be fun, because

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>you were gonna get found out, you were gonna get punished,

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna get spanked and it wasn't gonna be

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.879
<v Speaker 2>worth it in the end. So I just wouldn't do things,

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:11.279
<v Speaker 2>and I would try to talk to them out of it.

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 2>And so they didn't like me very much until they

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:16.239
<v Speaker 2>got in trouble and then they called me to come

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 2>and talk their parents out of the punishment.

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 1>And you said you were tom Boy. Were you playing

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>ball et cetera in the show?

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of kickball. I was

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>just talking about that recently with a friend of mine.

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I love playing kickball Hopscotch double Dutch.

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so how were you in school?

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, I had a teacher say I can always if

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>no one else, I can always depend on Gloria giving

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:48.560
<v Speaker 2>me her undivided attention.

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 2>And that was because of being practice. Was just being practical.

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 2>I got to pay attention. So when when school is over,

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I can go home quickly do my homework and have

0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:58.839
<v Speaker 2>time to go out and play.

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>So how did the lives of your siblings play out?

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, they all grew up and I was the only

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.359
<v Speaker 2>one that wanted children. I'm the only one that doesn't

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.760
<v Speaker 2>have any. So they all grew up and had children.

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 2>My brothers went to the armed forces one at a

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 2>time and came out, got married, had children and.

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:25.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you wanted to have children and you didn't

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>have children Is that a big regret?

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Not a regret anymore. It was a regret when I

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 2>was a child bearing age, Not a regret anymore. Something.

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 1>This is my life. Okay. So you're in school, say

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.720
<v Speaker 1>people are singing out on the street. At what point

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.800
<v Speaker 1>do you say, hmm, this is interesting and might like

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to do this for a living.

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh, very early on, probably when I was in fact,

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>as matter of fact, I know when I made it

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 2>the stage the decision that I was going to be

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>a singer. And I was thirteen years old. I was

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 2>standing in the stairwell of my building waiting for my

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 2>friend to come down and play, and a neighbor came down.

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.919
<v Speaker 2>A woman came down the stairs and I was standing

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 2>there singing, And when she reached me, she said, glory,

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 2>was that you singing? I said, yes, ma'am. She said,

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I thought that was the radio. And

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I was singing a song by Frankie Lyman, why do

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Foods Fall in Love? And he was the same age

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 2>as I am, and so I thought if he could

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 2>do it. I can do it too, So that's what

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be a singer.

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>So what were your first steps?

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>It was hard. I really wanted to be a singer,

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>and I had no idea how to go about it.

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 2>And I thought I was going to just run over

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>to New York and run bust into a record company

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 2>and just stand there and start singing. And of course

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I never did that, but got took cold, and so

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>one night my brother and I, Well, first thing that

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>happened was that I happened to be babysitting for a

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 2>friend of mine. I was on vacation for my job.

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 2>She needed somebody for a couple of weeks, and I

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.520
<v Speaker 2>went to babysitter for her. And while I was babysitting

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 2>for her, I heard somebody walking in the apartment upstairs,

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 2>and I reasoned that if I could hear them walking,

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 2>they could hear me singing if I sang loud enough.

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted somebody to hear me sing. At that point.

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.319
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want accolades or anything. I just wanted someone

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 2>to hear me sing, to recognize that I could sing.

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Because my brothers weren't paying attention to me because I

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>was a girl. So I did that for a couple

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 2>of weeks and then went back to work, and my

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 2>brother and I went to this school. I was a

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>sales auditor at at Bamberger's department store. Yeah, so my

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 2>brother and I passing by this club on the way

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>to the bus stop, and I said, I heard about

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 2>this group. Let's go in and see them, and so

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 2>we did. And while I was sitting there, they played

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>a song that I knew, and so I'm singing it

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to myself, not where anyone could hear me, but singing

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.839
<v Speaker 2>it to myself. And then someone went on the stage

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 2>and said, ladies and gentlemen, as a young lady in

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 2>the audience, she has a wonderful voice. We don't know

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.200
<v Speaker 2>her last name, but her first name is Gloria, and

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>if we give her a great round of applause, maybe

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 2>we can get her up to do a number for us.

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>And so at first I was afraid. I was petrified,

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.800
<v Speaker 2>but I went up and sang this song that I

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 2>had heard them play earlier, which was Save Your Love

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 2>for Me by Nancy Wilson, and got a standing ovation,

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and they came over and asked me if I wanted

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 2>to sing with them because the singer that they had

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 2>was unreliable. She hadn't showed up that night, and I said, yeah,

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I would love to. And in that I recognized the

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 2>wisdom of my mother, who had told me, you need

0:38:56.640 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 2>to prepare for war in peacetime, which I translated to

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:02.840
<v Speaker 2>mean that if I was going to be a singer,

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I need to be prepared for So I'd had her

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.840
<v Speaker 2>make me some dresses, and so I was already and

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I went home that they asked me that they wanted

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 2>me to sing with them, and I said, well, we

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 2>can get together for a couple of weeks. And the

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:18.240
<v Speaker 2>other thing that I had done was that I'd written

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 2>down in an autograph album from high school all this

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 2>every song that every time I learned the song, I

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 2>would write it down in that book. And by this

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 2>time I had like nearly two hundred songs. So I said,

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll get my book and come back, and you can

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>choose a repertoire because any songs that you want from

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 2>from my songs because I know them all. And came

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 2>back the next night and started singing with them and

0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:40.839
<v Speaker 2>never looked back.

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you start to sing with them first, night. You know,

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 1>you get this supplause, but playing can be a grind.

0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 1>How long did you do? What happened? Could you quit

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>your day job? What was going on?

0:39:56.440 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Well? First, I was working three jobs. I singing. I

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 2>was working at Bamburgers from nine to five, working in

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 2>the beauty culture because I had told my mother I

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be a singer. She said, that's nice, but

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 2>in case you don't make it, you need to have

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>some work under your belt because if you don't something,

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 2>because if you don't, nobody's going to want to hear

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 2>ten years from live from now that you never had

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 2>a job. So I went to beauty culture school and

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 2>so I was working at Bamburgers from nine to five,

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 2>working in the beauty shop from five to ten, and

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:35.399
<v Speaker 2>then working in a nightclub from ten thirty to two

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>in the morning.

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 1>How long did that go on?

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh, about two or three years.

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>That's a tough schedule, it was, It was okay. So

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>was there any upward mobility at Bamburgers or you were

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 1>just one of many people working there?

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, No, what happened was I did a cop I

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 2>was just one of many people working there, and then

0:40:59.880 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I got into a contest at a club one night

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>when Deal and Walwould happened to be one of the contestants.

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:13.800
<v Speaker 2>But I won the contest and two of the people

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 2>there were a couple of guys that were recording for

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Nash on his label, and they took me to

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Nash and I did my first recording there.

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Wait, wait, wait, a little bit slower from the time

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that you step on stage with the band to the

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 1>time you go to Johnny Nash's house. How long is that?

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Five years? By five years?

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Five years? So how do you maintain your optimism? Oh?

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I was just loving what I was doing. I was

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 2>just loving it.

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>So playing in clubs you were loving it? Oh?

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was loving it. And then of course I

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 2>hoped that one day i'd record. But in the meantime

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I was loving what I was doing.

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>And how many nights a week would you sing? Six

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>six nights a week? How many cents.

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Nine to two am, every hour forty five minutes performing

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes rests?

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 1>And how did you maintain your voice?

0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Well? I didn't drink or smoke, and I vocalized consistently

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 2>and just took care of my throat.

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what'd you give up first beauty school or Bamburgers.

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 2>Bamburgers Okay, yeah, And did you.

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Ever work in a salon like as a regular job.

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was saying I was working from Bamberger's at

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 2>nine to five, beauty shop from five to ten, and

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 2>then the club. I did that for five years.

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 1>So you're in a contest with Dion Warwick. So, Dion Warwick,

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 1>this is before she signs the scepter. She has no hits, right,

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I think not? So how did you feel when she

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>had success before you?

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, honestly, don't remember if I thought anything

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 2>about it at all.

0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And you know she ultimately had the Psychic Network

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 1>on TV. Oh okay, I remember that if someone came

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 1>to you, would you take a check for that or

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:29.320
<v Speaker 1>say no? Not for me?

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I said no, no. I never believed in it anyway.

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So this one contest you win. Were there a

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:40.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of contests?

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 2>No, that was the only one.

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:46.359
<v Speaker 1>So tell me exactly how you end up beating Johnny Nash.

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:49.800
<v Speaker 2>I was. I did that contest and two of the

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:54.279
<v Speaker 2>people in the audience were singers, and they had they

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.759
<v Speaker 2>recorded for Johnny Nash. They liked my voice and thought

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>that he should hear me singing that they should record me.

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they say, should record. What was the next step?

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:04.760
<v Speaker 1>You went to meet Johnny Nash.

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 2>And I went to meet Johnny Nash. I went to

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>meet Johnny Nash and he listened to me singing. He said, yep,

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.440
<v Speaker 2>you shet, They're right, You're great, and he recorded me.

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So how did you decide what material to record?

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 1>And what happened then?

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, he kind of decided he had somebody write a

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:26.399
<v Speaker 2>song for me and didn't like the song. It's kind

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 2>of corny. But I had an opportunity to record. I thought,

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 2>if I recorded, this is the only opportunity I have

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>to record. If I dropped this, I may not never

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 2>have another opportunity. If I take this, it might lead

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:38.399
<v Speaker 2>to something more.

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And it did. And at what point do you change

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 1>your last name.

0:44:44.760 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>With Johnny Nash? He told me, Gloria Fowls is not

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a stage name. Nobody will be able to pronounce it,

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:58.839
<v Speaker 2>nobody'll be able to spell it. No, you need another name,

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 2>And I think he said, I think you should use

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 2>a name that starts with a G, because then your

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 2>fans will probably give you a nickname. They'll call you

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Gig And I said, well, that's that sounds nice, but

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know any names that start with G. He said, well,

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>let me see. There's Gainer. I said, that's good.

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>And on your passport does it say fouls or Gainer?

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 2>It says Gainer fowls.

0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you make this record with Johnny Nash, the

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.239
<v Speaker 1>record comes out and what.

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>The record comes out? And I began to do a

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 2>little touring and did a few performances, you know, with

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:49.160
<v Speaker 2>on the tours, and came back and the record didn't

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 2>really do anything. It did absolutely nothing, And so I

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 2>just got with a band. I got a band and

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 2>got first I got an agent, and the agent got

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>me a band, and I began and to stop singing

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>that song because I never liked it anyway. And the

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:09.640
<v Speaker 2>band we did top forty songs with my band. So

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 2>we're traveling up and down the East coast doing top

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>forty songs until I was discovered by a go go girl,

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 2>actually discovered me again. She was working in the club

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 2>where I was performing, and she took me to her well.

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>She brought her manager, told her manager to come and

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:35.839
<v Speaker 2>hear me sing, and then He took me to Paul

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Leka at Columbia Records, who took me to Clive Davis

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 2>who had me do some auditions for him, and I

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.360
<v Speaker 2>sang for him, and he decided he would record me.

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>So he had this two brothers, Marvin and Mervin Steele

0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:59.280
<v Speaker 2>write my first, well my second recording, which was Honeybee.

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:12.919
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so ultimately it ends with you in Columbia. Why

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.920
<v Speaker 1>is that what you mean?

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 2>It ends with me at Columbia.

0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're on Columbia Okay?

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Ye did that end?

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah? I mean how do you end up moving

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:25.760
<v Speaker 1>to MGM?

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, Clive Davis left the company to form his own company,

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 2>but I was signed to the company. I wasn't signed

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>to him, so he couldn't take me with him. So

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I was left at the company and then a company

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>nobody was interested in an artist that had been brought

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.160
<v Speaker 2>there by somebody was no longer there, so I was

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:48.319
<v Speaker 2>just kind of just hanging out there. And then, praise God,

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:56.840
<v Speaker 2>the president of MGM Records heard Honeybee that I had

0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 2>recorded at Columbia decided he wanted me on his label,

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 2>so he bought the contract.

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:05.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And what were the first steps there.

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I had to if you see

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:12.239
<v Speaker 2>my documentary, you see me my what do you call it,

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.959
<v Speaker 2>my docky drum, you'll see me running across New York

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.360
<v Speaker 2>to get the contract and sign it before six o'clock

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>that night so that I could be moved over to

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:30.800
<v Speaker 2>MGM Records, and I recorded Never Can Say Goodbye I

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Never Can Say Goodbye album there. They wanted cover song

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 2>for the album, and I thought that the version that

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>my band and I were doing was good and that

0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:47.720
<v Speaker 2>I should record that. And so I told the president

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.720
<v Speaker 2>that and he sent someone to see my show because

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:53.319
<v Speaker 2>I said, used to send someone to see the show

0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 2>and see the response to this version of Never Can

0:48:56.080 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Say Goodbye, And he did, and they agreed and it

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 2>became this covered the title song of my first album.

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that was very successful. After all these years in

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the trenches, you know, in excess of a decade, did

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 1>you you had a lot of ups and downs? Did

0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:17.280
<v Speaker 1>you still believe?

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, But I was doing what I wanted to do.

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:22.359
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I tell people all the time, if

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:24.839
<v Speaker 2>you you know, they say, if you if you work,

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 2>if you work at what you love, you never work

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:28.959
<v Speaker 2>a day in your life, and that is just so true.

0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:31.640
<v Speaker 2>It's so true. I was loving what I was doing

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and the progress as I was making doing it was

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of incidental.

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's it like to have a hit?

0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>It's awesome, It's wonderful. I remember the first time I

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.080
<v Speaker 2>was in a public place and heard my song playing.

0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to go around saying, that's me, that's me,

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:53.920
<v Speaker 2>that's me, that's me. Of course, I didn't just stood

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:57.400
<v Speaker 2>around trying to see people's reactions to it, if anybody

0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:58.279
<v Speaker 2>was reacting to it.

0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:02.879
<v Speaker 1>And how did your life and opportunities change with a hit?

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, my opportunities to buy nice things certainly did change,

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.600
<v Speaker 2>because I was for making more money and doing more

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 2>performances and making more money and loving you know it

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:22.160
<v Speaker 2>even more, and getting an opportunity to travel, something I'd

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 2>always wanted to do but hadn't had an opportunity. So

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>now I'm traveling, and then, you know it expands and

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm not only traveling in the country, but now I'm

0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:30.760
<v Speaker 2>traveling the world.

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And you wrote a song on that album and

0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:40.320
<v Speaker 1>co wrote another, So what point did you begin writing songs.

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I began writing songs while I was working with Johnny Nash,

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:52.319
<v Speaker 2>I wrote a song. As matter of fact, I wrote

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:55.440
<v Speaker 2>a song, and I can't remember now. I think that

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.720
<v Speaker 2>the song that I wrote, the first song that I wrote,

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>is on the B side of Honeybee and it's called

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 2>let Me Go Baby. I think kind of corny song,

0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it's a start.

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you continue to record for MGM, you don't have

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 1>a hit as big as that initial hit. What's the

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:23.759
<v Speaker 1>experience for you?

0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm loving what I'm doing. I'm loving what I'm doing,

0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and I always say, you know, people say, well, do

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:35.640
<v Speaker 2>you always try to make sure that the song that

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 2>you the new recording that you're doing, is better than

0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:41.759
<v Speaker 2>the last. No. I try to make sure that everything

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I do, when I do it, i'm doing my best.

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Then may not be as best as good as my

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:52.719
<v Speaker 2>best was last week, but it's my best now. And

0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.399
<v Speaker 2>my mother would say even an angel can't do better

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 2>than her best.

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay. How do you end up moving from MGM.

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 2>To they merged or one bought the other and something

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:07.720
<v Speaker 2>like that, so you're.

0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Working with different people now that it was Polydor or

0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the same people, same people Okay, disco, depending who you

0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:19.799
<v Speaker 1>listen to, rock the boat in nineteen seventy four, there

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.960
<v Speaker 1>are all these disco songs. Then, of course, in seventy

0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:27.360
<v Speaker 1>seven seventy eight through Saturday Night Fever, the world becomes

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:31.279
<v Speaker 1>reware a disco. While this is happening, what do you

0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>think about disco?

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:37.759
<v Speaker 2>I think disco is great. I think like about disco then,

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 2>as I think about disco now, and keep saying, because

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I know it to be true, Disco music is the

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 2>only music in the history of music ever to bring

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:50.959
<v Speaker 2>together people from every race, creed, color, nationality, and age group.

0:52:54.239 --> 0:52:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, how do you end up recording? I will survive.

0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Well? I had had an accident on stage. I fell

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:10.719
<v Speaker 2>backwards over a monitor and finished the show, went out

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 2>to breakfast with the group afterwards, went home, went to bed,

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 2>woke up the next morning paralyzed on the waist down.

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Ended up in hospital for three months, and during which

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.279
<v Speaker 2>time the record company told me they were not going

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:29.719
<v Speaker 2>to renew my contract. And so I'm praying, really calling

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:33.320
<v Speaker 2>on my faith and crying out to God. Left the

0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:38.279
<v Speaker 2>hospital with nothing but knowing that God was going to

0:53:38.360 --> 0:53:42.560
<v Speaker 2>do something, just didn't know what. And sure enough, within

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 2>a week or so, the record company called and said

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:49.720
<v Speaker 2>that they weren't renewing my contract because they had gotten

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:53.280
<v Speaker 2>a new president over from England, where I was popular.

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.040
<v Speaker 2>He'd had a hit with a song there that he

0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:59.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted to repeat the success with here in the United States.

0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 2>He specifically wanted me to record that song. Sent me

0:54:04.040 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 2>out to California to record this song, and while I

0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 2>was there, I asked the producers what would be the

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 2>B side, and they said they didn't know, or asked

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:15.840
<v Speaker 2>me what kind of songs I like. I said, I

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like songs that are uplifting and encouraging and have good

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 2>melodies and lyrics. And so they had a little pow

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:29.520
<v Speaker 2>wow and came back and said, we think you're the

0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 2>one we've been waiting for to record this song we

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.719
<v Speaker 2>wrote two years ago. And that was I was sur vive.

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Okay, they come in, they say they have this song.

0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:43.279
<v Speaker 1>They play a demo for you. How do you hear

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the song?

0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 2>They give me the words they've written down X matter

0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.239
<v Speaker 2>for He didn't have anything. He wrote the verds down

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.919
<v Speaker 2>for me and I looked at it and I thought,

0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:56.160
<v Speaker 2>in fact, I said, then, what are you nuts? You're

0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:58.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna put this on the B side? Said this is

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 2>a hit song. I'm standing here relating the fact to

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:03.759
<v Speaker 2>this song, the fact that I'm in a back brace

0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.399
<v Speaker 2>and hoping I'll survive that. I'm relating to the fact

0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.439
<v Speaker 2>that my mother only passed away a few years ago,

0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.160
<v Speaker 2>something I never thought, I said, vived. Everybody's going to

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>relate to whatever they're going through and hoping they'll overcome.

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 2>They're going to relate it to this song. I said, Well,

0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 2>that's the deal we made. I said, well, if it's

0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 2>left to me, it won't stay on the B side.

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, he writes down the lyrics. What's the next step?

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I recorded it.

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you walk in and they already had a track.

0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:35.840
<v Speaker 2>And you just said no, No, they had to No,

0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:38.640
<v Speaker 2>they just had the they I don't know what they had.

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:41.799
<v Speaker 2>They just gave me the words, but I suppose they

0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 2>had a demo of it, and then they recorded it.

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 2>They got my key, I sang it, They got my key.

0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:51.560
<v Speaker 2>They they made the track and they and I recorded it.

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're there. You see the lyrics, you saying this

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 1>is a hit? Yes? Are you singing and going? Man,

0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:00.839
<v Speaker 1>this is my tick? This is great.

0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:04.239
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just thinking this is a hit song. I'm

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:07.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna have a hit song. That's what I'm thinking. I'm

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:07.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna have his song.

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the song is recorded, how long after that

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:16.320
<v Speaker 1>is released and how long after that does it catch fire?

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, it was released on the on the B side

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>about I guess about three months later, and they gave

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.840
<v Speaker 2>me a box of the CDs and me and my

0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 2>management team took took the who who at the time

0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:38.520
<v Speaker 2>was my husband slash manager. We took it to Studio

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.399
<v Speaker 2>fifty four and as a matter of fact, he wasn't

0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:44.200
<v Speaker 2>my husband yet, he was just my manager and boyfriend

0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:51.120
<v Speaker 2>and had it played there and the audience immediately jammed

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the dance floor. And I'm thinking, this is a New

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:58.800
<v Speaker 2>York jaded audience. Okay, if they're immediately responding to a

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.080
<v Speaker 2>song that they're hearing for the first time like this,

0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I am absolutely right. This is a hit song. So

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:08.919
<v Speaker 2>we gave him the DJ the box of CDs, told

0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 2>him to give them to his DJ friends have them

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:14.520
<v Speaker 2>play it and their clubs, and they did, and people

0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 2>began to request it, and then people going to call

0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 2>the record company at radio stations asking for it because

0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 2>now they want to hear it in traffic on the

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:23.960
<v Speaker 2>way to work. On the way home from work and

0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 2>all of this, and the record company got calls from

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the radio station saying, where is this song? We keep

0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:33.040
<v Speaker 2>asking a requests for it, and they had to say,

0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:38.680
<v Speaker 2>with much chagrin, I on the B side of that

0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:40.920
<v Speaker 2>other record. And so then they flipped it and the

0:57:41.000 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 2>next time they released it, they made it the A side.

0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, going back to Studio fifty four, were you a

0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:51.720
<v Speaker 1>club rat or were you just aware are these clubs? No?

0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:54.920
<v Speaker 2>It was definitely not a club rat. I never believed

0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:59.160
<v Speaker 2>in working where I performed. I didn't hang out where

0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 2>I performed a matter of fact, I tried to go

0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:03.960
<v Speaker 2>to the Studio fifty four one night with some friends

0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 2>of mine who had come over from England and wanted

0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:08.480
<v Speaker 2>to experience it because they'd heard all about it. And

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the guy that I call the casting director was the

0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:14.760
<v Speaker 2>guy behind the velvet rope, came over to my car

0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 2>and said, Mims, Caanna, you don't want to come in

0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:16.800
<v Speaker 2>here tonight?

0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Steve.

0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:23.240
<v Speaker 2>No, it wasn't Steve. It was someone he had hired.

0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:26.080
<v Speaker 1>And he said, why didn't you want to come that night?

0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Because it was too much debauchery going on inside? And

0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 2>I said, thank you, very much and drove off.

0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:36.760
<v Speaker 1>And at that point, where were you living?

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I was living at that point and back in New

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Jersey because I had moved in with my ex husband,

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 2>who actually wasn't my husband yet, moved in with my

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 2>husband after being released from the hospital just before doing

0:58:57.360 --> 0:58:58.080
<v Speaker 2>I Will Survive.

0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay. The dream back then, certainly is to go to

0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the big city. So what point do you leave Newark

0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 1>and live in the city before you move back?

0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 2>No, I left there. I've left New York and moved

0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:19.120
<v Speaker 2>into the city. I think I've moved into the city

0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:23.480
<v Speaker 2>right after recording. Never can say goodbye.

0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So how did you meet your rex's husband?

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:33.280
<v Speaker 2>That's a long, wonderful story. Actually short, long story short,

0:59:33.360 --> 0:59:34.360
<v Speaker 2>his mother introduced us.

0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:37.240
<v Speaker 1>We'll tell it to give me a little bit more

0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:37.520
<v Speaker 1>than that.

0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 2>His sisters was singing background for me in my shows,

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>and they showed me pictures of him, of showing pictures

0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.480
<v Speaker 2>of they were sharing picture family pictures, and I saw

0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:54.520
<v Speaker 2>his picture and I said, that's my husband. She said

0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:56.240
<v Speaker 2>what I said, that's my husband. I'm going to marry him.

0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Of course she laughed it off, and some weeks later

1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I was at their house waiting for them to go

1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:07.000
<v Speaker 2>to do a show with me, and he came in

1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:11.120
<v Speaker 2>to visit his father who's ailing, and his mother introduced

1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:16.000
<v Speaker 2>us and we invited him to the show that night.

1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:19.280
<v Speaker 2>He came to the show and ended up taking me

1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 2>home and that started there.

1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, it was literally love at first sight for you.

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.200
<v Speaker 2>How about oh yeah, well that's what he said.

1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're living in nightclubs. You're an entertainer before you

1:00:36.600 --> 1:00:40.120
<v Speaker 1>meet your ex husband, you know, because you portray yourself

1:00:40.160 --> 1:00:43.160
<v Speaker 1>as a goodie goodie. Okay, you're always blowing the whistle.

1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:46.200
<v Speaker 1>So did you have relationships with other people who just

1:00:46.280 --> 1:00:47.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't meet the right person?

1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:52.880
<v Speaker 2>No, not really. I went out a couple of times

1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:55.280
<v Speaker 2>with a couple of guys, but I know I didn't really.

1:00:57.480 --> 1:01:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and then you want children. Why did you not

1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:03.440
<v Speaker 1>end up having children?

1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Well it was just wasn't in the cars for me,

1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:07.479
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you meet this guy. How did he become

1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:14.680
<v Speaker 1>your manager?

1:01:17.040 --> 1:01:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Well? He I started going out with him, but he

1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:22.920
<v Speaker 2>had managed his sisters, the girls who were singing with me,

1:01:23.720 --> 1:01:25.520
<v Speaker 2>He had they had a group on their own before

1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:27.560
<v Speaker 2>they started singing with me, and he was their manager.

1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:30.960
<v Speaker 2>So I figured he and plus he was a policeman

1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and told me that he had gone to John Jay's

1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:41.400
<v Speaker 2>School of law. And what really made me decide to

1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:46.560
<v Speaker 2>make him my manager was that my manager had We

1:01:46.680 --> 1:01:49.520
<v Speaker 2>were on our way out going somewhere. One day, my

1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:53.000
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend and I and my manager came running downstairs with

1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:54.880
<v Speaker 2>these papers for me to sign, and I signed the

1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.800
<v Speaker 2>papers and gave them to him, and my boyfriend said,

1:01:59.400 --> 1:02:02.160
<v Speaker 2>what was that? I said, I don't know. He said,

1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:04.600
<v Speaker 2>why did you sign it? He said, because he told

1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:06.840
<v Speaker 2>me to. He asked me to. He said, you signed

1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:11.240
<v Speaker 2>papers without telling without reading them. I said, he's my manager.

1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:14.320
<v Speaker 2>He's not going to have me do anything wrong. He said,

1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:16.640
<v Speaker 2>he may not have anything you do anything wrong, but

1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:20.920
<v Speaker 2>there's such a thing as conflict of interest. And he

1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:23.840
<v Speaker 2>started telling me all about that and how the things

1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:25.760
<v Speaker 2>in my contract could be good for my manager and

1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:28.760
<v Speaker 2>not good for me. And with all of that, I

1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:32.840
<v Speaker 2>started questioning my manager and asking him about things, and

1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:36.720
<v Speaker 2>he was like really reluctant to tell me about with things,

1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:38.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, he just didn't want to explain things to me.

1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And so I got the idea to get my papers

1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:49.240
<v Speaker 2>from the lawyer that my manager used. That was our lawyer,

1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:51.280
<v Speaker 2>and he said, you shouldn't be our lawyer, you should

1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.800
<v Speaker 2>be his lawyer, and you're a lawyer. Anyway, I got

1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:56.000
<v Speaker 2>the papers and found out that some things were not

1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:59.160
<v Speaker 2>right and decided that I was going to fire him

1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:01.720
<v Speaker 2>as my manager and make my boyfriend my manager. So

1:03:01.880 --> 1:03:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that's what I did.

1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, was your boyfriend soon to be husband a good manager?

1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:15.560
<v Speaker 3>No?

1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:18.520
<v Speaker 1>No, he was not.

1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:28.240
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't knowledgeable enough, and he he had some character

1:03:28.320 --> 1:03:32.600
<v Speaker 2>flaws that did not allow him to learn. Tell me

1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more, well, he had low self esteem,

1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and so he was afraid to be around I believe

1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:42.520
<v Speaker 2>he was afraid to be around the other managers for

1:03:42.640 --> 1:03:44.880
<v Speaker 2>fear that they would show him up, and therefore he

1:03:44.920 --> 1:03:47.080
<v Speaker 2>couldn't learn from them because he wasn't around them.

1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:51.120
<v Speaker 1>And how long did it take you to learn that

1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:52.479
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't good?

1:03:56.360 --> 1:03:57.880
<v Speaker 2>It took me quite a while to learn that he

1:03:57.960 --> 1:04:00.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't good, because the first manager that I had was cracked,

1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:03.320
<v Speaker 2>and I wasn't around any other managers to know what

1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:07.680
<v Speaker 2>he didn't know, or to know what he wasn't doing

1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:09.960
<v Speaker 2>that was right or that he should have been doing.

1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:12.960
<v Speaker 2>So it took me quite a while to find out

1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:15.880
<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't a good manager. I found out he

1:04:15.960 --> 1:04:17.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a good husband before I found out he wasn't

1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:18.400
<v Speaker 2>a good manager.

1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:21.280
<v Speaker 1>That was what I was going to ask. So how

1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:23.520
<v Speaker 1>did you find out he wasn't a good husband? Oh?

1:04:23.560 --> 1:04:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was cheating on me.

1:04:25.520 --> 1:04:26.360
<v Speaker 1>How'd you find out?

1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I caught him? I mean I didn't actually catch him

1:04:30.400 --> 1:04:32.520
<v Speaker 2>in the act, but I found evidence in the house

1:04:32.560 --> 1:04:34.280
<v Speaker 2>when I came home, you know.

1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:36.840
<v Speaker 1>And how long you been married at that point.

1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:44.520
<v Speaker 2>When I first found out? Twenty years? Twenty years?

1:04:46.760 --> 1:04:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you found out? How long from when you

1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:52.640
<v Speaker 1>found out till the end of the marriage?

1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Another five years?

1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:57.560
<v Speaker 1>And why another five years?

1:04:59.040 --> 1:05:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Because I was hoping that he would change. I would

1:05:01.640 --> 1:05:03.600
<v Speaker 2>hoping that he was. I was, you know, trying to

1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:06.840
<v Speaker 2>talk to him, and as a Christian, I know that

1:05:06.920 --> 1:05:09.360
<v Speaker 2>God hates divorce, and so I was trying to honor

1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:13.320
<v Speaker 2>my faith and hoping that he would, you know, become

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian. Would well, he would say he was a Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was hoping that he would, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>do the right thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And how did it end?

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<v Speaker 2>It ended with me divorcing him.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you said I'm done, did he say give

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<v Speaker 1>me one more chance, No, I'll be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So it ended with him, how'd you find a new manager? Ah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I had been working in this agency with him

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<v Speaker 2>that he fired unbeknownst to me. But I the girl

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<v Speaker 2>who worked in the agents, one of the well the girl,

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<v Speaker 2>it was only one girl working in the agency. What

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<v Speaker 2>was it?

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>Ideal Entertainment. And after working with her for a few weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>I bought her a sign to put over her desk

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<v Speaker 2>that said, do you want to talk to the man

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of the woman who knows what's going? And

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<v Speaker 2>so I decided to contact her. I contacted her to

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<v Speaker 2>be a personal assistant while I looked for a manager.

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<v Speaker 2>I could not find a manager. And during the time

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<v Speaker 2>that I was looking for a manager, we were working

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<v Speaker 2>together and I realized she was managing my career. She

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<v Speaker 2>was doing all the things that a manager was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do and doing them, you know, upfront and right

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<v Speaker 2>out in the open and looking out for me. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I finally made her my manager.

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<v Speaker 1>And is she still your manager?

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<v Speaker 2>She's still my manager?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, looking back, were you ripped off?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh poof, Yes, yes, terribly, terribly. Tell me a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more well, there was some advances taken from royalties

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that I didn't know about.

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<v Speaker 1>There was.

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<v Speaker 2>Monies used that I didn't know had been that had

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<v Speaker 2>been used. When the divorce came and the moneies weren't available,

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<v Speaker 2>I first found out they were, you know, had been misappropriated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, let's go back. I will survive because that

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<v Speaker 1>and we are a family or probably the two biggest,

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<v Speaker 1>longest sustaining disco hits. It is beyond belief successful. What's

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<v Speaker 1>it like being at the center of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wonderful. It's wonderful for me because I what I

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<v Speaker 2>take from that is that I will forever have something

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<v Speaker 2>that helps me to accomplish what I always wanted and

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<v Speaker 2>always will want to accomplish with every show, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is to give my audience something that lasts them beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the duration of my concert.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you have this scar gansu and hit. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a hit of that level. You don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>big hit after What's going through your mind? You're saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't got the right song, the record company is

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<v Speaker 1>not working, the time moved on. What are you thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking I'm going to continue doing what I do

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<v Speaker 2>because whether my the level of my career goes up

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<v Speaker 2>or down, I am always going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>perform and I'm always gonna love it, and so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you the type of person because you work

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of people? Are you the type of

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<v Speaker 1>person who maintains relationships with all the other acts? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you more of a singular loaner type person.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm the kind of person that would would maintain

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<v Speaker 2>friendships if we weren't ships passing in the night. We're

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<v Speaker 2>just ships passing in the night, and a few people

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<v Speaker 2>that I have passed, you know, and wanted to become

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<v Speaker 2>friends with. Littlev on the other coast. Everybody lives on

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<v Speaker 2>the west, on the East coast, you know, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>over here on the West coast. So I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>have long term friends in the business. I have long

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<v Speaker 2>term friends outside of the business. Friends that are people

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<v Speaker 2>that I've been friends with for twenty thirty forty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you did not write I will survive. No, So

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<v Speaker 1>subsequent to that and today are you working to survive?

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<v Speaker 2>And oh no, no, I'm working because I love it absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I could stop right right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So In the New York Times article about you,

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<v Speaker 1>they start talking about you doing tours singing to tape.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that start?

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<v Speaker 2>My ex husband decided that it would be cheaper if

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't have a band and we didn't have because

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't have the salaries and we wouldn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>airfares for them, and I could sing to tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you feel about it?

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<v Speaker 2>I hated it. I hated it, but he was my

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<v Speaker 2>manager and I felt like I didn't have control.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the peak of disco was almost fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Has there always been a need for I will survive

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<v Speaker 1>such that? Really you never fall below the radar screen,

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<v Speaker 1>You're not the trams with disco inferno? Whatever? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>such that it's so iconic, kind of like dominic Lean

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<v Speaker 1>an American pie. People always know what, people always are

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<v Speaker 1>calling you, always working. Is it like that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely like that. It's absolutely like that. And really

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<v Speaker 2>I really feel that this song is like they said,

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<v Speaker 2>we think you're the one we've been waiting for to

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<v Speaker 2>record this song that we wrote two years ago. I

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<v Speaker 2>always believe that God told them, sit down, write a song,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on till I'm going to send you somebody because

1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:16.120
<v Speaker 2>he told me. God told me, no one can keep

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<v Speaker 2>you from getting what I have for you except you.

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<v Speaker 2>So I believe that this song is a gift from

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<v Speaker 2>God and will carry me through to the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's a docu drama, there's a footage, there's one

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<v Speaker 1>where somebody's playing your role. There's a book in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of legacy. Do you feel you get the respect and

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledgment you deserve? I do. Yeah. So, being Gloria Gainor

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<v Speaker 1>who has this amazing career, what kind of doors does

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<v Speaker 1>that open?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I never thought about it because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really use my name like that, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>open an.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me put it in a different way. You pull

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<v Speaker 1>up the studio fifty four, the guy who's the bouncer comes,

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<v Speaker 1>j I'll goes not tonight. He's doing that for you.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not doing that for every car that pulls up. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So how much of that do you experience? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that kind of thing I experienced quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if I go to a restaurant and I

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<v Speaker 2>have done that a couple of times, not a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've done it a couple of times where I

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<v Speaker 2>really want to get into this restaurant because I have

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<v Speaker 2>people from out of town that I want to experience it,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can't get in, so I send one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>tell them you have Glory Gainner outside and and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll let us and they'll make room for us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about a couple of famous people you met

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<v Speaker 1>that impressed you a couple of well.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson, of course impressed me. He not only impressed

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<v Speaker 2>me with his talent, but he impressed me with his kindness.

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<v Speaker 2>And and my impression of him actually didn't come through

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<v Speaker 2>my meeting him. It was nice to meet him after

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<v Speaker 2>having heard accounts from people who worked with him about

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<v Speaker 2>how kind and generous he was, So it was wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>meeting him, and I was impressed with him. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he called me and told me he was impressed with

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<v Speaker 2>me because you see me perform, and that he truly

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed my performance. We did a show at Madison Square

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<v Speaker 2>Garden the night before that, Faithful nine to eleven, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was on that show. So he called me the

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<v Speaker 2>next day and told me how much he was impressed

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<v Speaker 2>with my performance. And I had done his song. Never

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<v Speaker 2>could say goodbye, And but I dedicated. I will survive

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<v Speaker 2>to him. So yeah, not a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>How about non musicians.

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<v Speaker 2>Non musicians, Oh yes, yes, actors and of course I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna lose the names right now. I met Jeffrey Wright,

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<v Speaker 2>who I was very much impressed with. Love his work.

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<v Speaker 2>I met Harry Belafonte, love his work and told him so.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I told them both and just saw a

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<v Speaker 2>movie with what was the one who played? Oh god,

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<v Speaker 2>h Samuel Well. I met Samuel L. Jackson. That was

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful meeting him. Charles Barklay, great meeting him. And one

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<v Speaker 2>one one really great experience I had was I was

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<v Speaker 2>over in Spain and we're doing a show and I

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<v Speaker 2>was at this event that I didn't really know what

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<v Speaker 2>the event it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the premiere of The.

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<v Speaker 2>Expendables, okay, and they were out, the cast were outside

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<v Speaker 2>taking I was outside building around and with with the

1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:11.960
<v Speaker 2>people who were in attendance, and they were taking pictures

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to meet them because I'm a big

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<v Speaker 2>fan of those at that series of show of movies.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh so I gathered my nerve and walked over

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<v Speaker 2>to them and I said, gentlemen, Glory Ganner, may I

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<v Speaker 2>take a picture with my American toys and spun around

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<v Speaker 2>in front of them and stretched my arms out to

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<v Speaker 2>take this picture. And they were like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>glory Ganer glory again, which I never expected. I never

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<v Speaker 2>expected them to know who I was. And so there

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<v Speaker 2>was Wesley Snipes and Arnold Swarzenegger and who else was there?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, names always escaped me, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>the whole cast of those guys, and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>great taking a bitch of But I was so disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>to find none of the pictures showed up in the

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<v Speaker 2>papers the next day. And my tour manager who took

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<v Speaker 2>pictures had a car accident that night and ended up

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<v Speaker 2>in the hospital with broken ribcage and the camera was smashed,

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<v Speaker 2>So no pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the God's message is on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, But that's a pretty bold move. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you normally that bold?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Never, I've never done anything like that before.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Okay, you're in America, forget Europe, and it comes

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<v Speaker 1>out that you're a Gloria Gainer? Does anyone not know

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<v Speaker 1>who you are?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? People know the song? Far far more

1:16:54.479 --> 1:16:59.599
<v Speaker 2>people know the song than know the name. Because I've

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<v Speaker 2>had you know introduced me. This is Gloria Gaynor. And

1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the people they're looking like, oh, nice to meet you.

1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:08.960
<v Speaker 2>This is Gloria Gaynor. And they're like, okay, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know the song I Will Survive? Yeah, well this is

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<v Speaker 2>the one who's saying. Oh. They then they light up.

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<v Speaker 1>And how about young people? Young people know I will

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<v Speaker 1>survive too?

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<v Speaker 2>Right from A to eighty. My audience is from A

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<v Speaker 2>to eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's say I come to see you. What am

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<v Speaker 1>I going to expect?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the same thing I always say to my audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Something old, something new, something borrowed, nothing blue.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing blue. Wow. Okay, it's a business, it's a skill.

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<v Speaker 1>Every once in a while you're there and the audience

1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:52.840
<v Speaker 1>is so enthusiastic, they're with you the whole time. Other

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<v Speaker 1>times you have to win them over. So what are

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<v Speaker 1>some of the skills you use?

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to them. I talked to them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I used to go to England a lot. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been in England that much recently, but I used to

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<v Speaker 2>go to England a lot, and because they're so laid back,

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<v Speaker 2>I came up with this speech that I used to

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<v Speaker 2>say before every show. Because I knew they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be non responsive, so in order to get them

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<v Speaker 2>to be responsive, I would say, welcome to my show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wonderful to have you here. I understand that the

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<v Speaker 2>British are very reserved. We will have no reserve this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>You will remember that everyone in front of you, behind you,

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<v Speaker 2>to the side of you is the very soul of discretion.

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<v Speaker 2>No one will tell that you had a wonderful time

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<v Speaker 2>this evening. So clap your hands, stump your feet, sing along,

1:18:43.400 --> 1:18:46.080
<v Speaker 2>and do whatever makes you happy without knowing anyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>and we will have a wonderful time this evening. You're

1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:54.519
<v Speaker 2>already getting me excited, and that would just tay down

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<v Speaker 2>the barriers.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, okay, you've done thousands of shows. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>two shows that were really memorable for you, and why.

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<v Speaker 2>One show that was merely memorable for me was not

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<v Speaker 2>that long ago, just a few months ago, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was in Rio where my audience was one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand people.

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<v Speaker 1>What were the circumstances that you were playing. Was it

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<v Speaker 1>a multi act bill? What was the bill?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a multiac bill. Yeah, it's a multiac bill,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought that several acts were on at once.

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<v Speaker 2>They had several stages, but only one stage was lit

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<v Speaker 2>up and in use at a time, so each act

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<v Speaker 2>had one hundred and fifty thousand people. It was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, did they know why I Will Survive in Rio?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, oh yes, and they sing along and I

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<v Speaker 2>sing it in Spanish, which I'm disappointed to know find

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't really want to hear it in Spanish. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to hear it in Spanish and real

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<v Speaker 2>because they speak Portuguese, right, But in Spanish speaking countries

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to hear it because they've bothered to

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<v Speaker 2>learn it in English, so they want to sing. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was wonderful hearing them sing it in English along

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<v Speaker 2>with me one hundred and fifty thousand people at one time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was incredible. The other show outstanding show for me

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<v Speaker 2>was that show at Madison Square Garden the night before

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven. And because the response to me in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, which was practically my hometown, was incredible. I

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<v Speaker 2>was told by a number of people that nobody got

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<v Speaker 2>the response that I got except Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that. Okay, so you're divorced. Any romance since then? No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>As I told my friends, one let's bill to answer

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<v Speaker 2>and one let's the egg to fry. Don't sound like

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<v Speaker 2>a sad song to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, if you bumped into somebody and you felt something,

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<v Speaker 1>would you run with it or would you say no?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, listen, I'm open to whatever God has for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you going to die on stage?

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<v Speaker 2>I probably will.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it any harder to do it now?

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<v Speaker 2>Physically?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>But otherwise absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you're talking about physical therapy, how about vocally? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, not at all and.

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<v Speaker 1>All this experience. Are you basically in the glory of

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<v Speaker 1>gainer business or are you a student of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to new stuff, You're aware of what other

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<v Speaker 1>people are doing. What's your viewpoint?

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<v Speaker 2>To some degree, I listen to what other people are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like a lot of what other people are doing,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm not listening to a lot of it. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do try to keep up and fresh, and I

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<v Speaker 2>add songs to my show that I know the young

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<v Speaker 2>audiences will know, like I sing Seas and Unstoppable, and

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<v Speaker 2>my background singers do some stuff from Bruno Mars, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we add stuff to the show current stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to the show. You know from time to time, do

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<v Speaker 2>you have.

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<v Speaker 1>To rehearse on the road to go on the road

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<v Speaker 1>where everybody's done it so many times? Well, o, old machine,

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<v Speaker 1>we just show up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't rehearse. We rehearse whatever's new.

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<v Speaker 1>But other than that, No, Okay, you have survived. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in your ninth decade. What advice do you give

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody else to survive?

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<v Speaker 2>Put most of your energy into becoming the best version

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<v Speaker 2>of you that you can possibly be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we'll leave it at that. That's Gloria Gainor

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<v Speaker 1>she's got a new EP. Very honest and open. Gloria,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for taking this time with my audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. It's been a leisure.

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<v Speaker 1>Until next time. This is Bob left sets playh