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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Lefsett's podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Gloria Gainer, who has a new EP. Gloria,

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Speaker 1: why are you recording? Why now?

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Speaker 2: Well, because I have some things to say. I have

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Speaker 2: some things that I want to share with my audience

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Speaker 2: that I think will be enjoyable for them but also

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Speaker 2: valuable for them.

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Speaker 1: So what do you want to share?

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Speaker 2: I want to share hope. I want to share encouragement.

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Speaker 2: I want to share empowerment and self esteem.

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Speaker 1: Are these issues that you've wrestled with personally?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah, absolutely?

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Speaker 1: So how do you maintain hope?

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Speaker 2: I maintain hopeful my faith? I'm an avid Christian?

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Speaker 1: And have you always been a believer?

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Speaker 2: Well since I was sixteen years old?

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Speaker 1: And was there a special event that triggered you?

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Speaker 2: Then it's a silly event that triggered it. I was.

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Speaker 2: I was at home and you remember the old Inquirer

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Speaker 2: ran an article that they're saying that the Earth was

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Speaker 2: going to collide with the moon. And you know how

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Speaker 2: sometimes you can see the moon and it looks because

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Speaker 2: of atmospheric changes. Get does look bigger right well, as

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Speaker 2: a child, I didn't know about that. So when I

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Speaker 2: saw that, I thought it was true that the Earth

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Speaker 2: was moving closer to the Moon and eventually they were

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Speaker 2: going to collide. And one night I during that period,

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Speaker 2: I went to bed and woke up the next night

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Speaker 2: and I saw this red, thick fog. I went to

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Speaker 2: even see the ground, and I couldn't see the neighbor's

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Speaker 2: adjacent window, and so I determined that it was going

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Speaker 2: to be happen. It was about to happen. And then

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Speaker 2: I heard this noise louder than any noise I ever

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Speaker 2: if we were all going to die, then they didn't

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Speaker 2: need to suffer the pretension with me that I just

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Speaker 2: go to bed. I went to bed, and I prayed

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Speaker 2: that the Lord would take us into heaven. And I

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Speaker 2: woke up the next one, of course, and found out

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Speaker 2: and everything was fine. But I found out that the

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Speaker 2: reason why I heard that noise, that this loud noise

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Speaker 2: path I'd never heard a plane pick off before. And

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Speaker 2: the reason why, well, they even were talking about that

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Speaker 2: the plane was delayed because of the fog that had

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Speaker 2: And the reason why the fog was read was because

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Speaker 2: the bar across the street had forgotten to turn their

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Speaker 2: was time to give my heart to the Lord. So

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Speaker 2: I asked my mother to take me to church and

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Speaker 2: let me be baptized, and she did, and I've been

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Speaker 1: Well what did your parents think about you becoming a believer?

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Speaker 1: Were they believers?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, they were glad for the decision.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you start going to the church. Do you

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Speaker 1: go to church still?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I still go to church every Sunday that

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Speaker 1: And did you sing in church?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 2: I didn't. When I was a kid, I didn't. I

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Speaker 2: didn't go very much. I went for a few weeks,

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Speaker 2: Decided I wasn't going to do that. So after a

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Speaker 2: I just didn't participate in church until later years. I

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Speaker 1: So what happened there, Well, I was.

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Speaker 2: About to long story short, about to indulge in something new,

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Speaker 2: me in my calling and say that's enough.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, going back, So we live in a crazy

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Speaker 1: world right now, politically, climate weather. For those of us

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Speaker 1: who are not believers, how do we maintain hope?

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. I cannot answer that one for

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Speaker 2: you because I don't know what I would do without

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Speaker 1: Okay. Another thing you said you wanted to accomplish with

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Speaker 1: the new ep IS address people's self esteem. Is this

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Speaker 1: also something you've struggled with?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah, I stuff it with self esteem as

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Speaker 2: and those things really chipped away at my self esteem.

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Speaker 2: And so I had a and plus I was overweight.

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Speaker 2: I had a huge appetite as a skinny little child,

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Speaker 2: I was very low on self esteem.

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Speaker 1: So how did you build up your self esteem?

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Speaker 2: I built up my self esteem again with my faith.

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Speaker 2: I really got involved in my faith and came to

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Speaker 2: the conclusion that if God loved me, why should it

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Speaker 2: matter what anyone else thinks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned weight. How did you end up losing

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Speaker 2: Well? I was still struggling with that. And then I

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Speaker 2: I mean it was ridiculous. He put me on ups

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Speaker 2: And I lost forty five pounds in six weeks.

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Speaker 2: The diet consisted of a glass of grayfood juice for

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Speaker 1: So when you stop that diet, how did you maintain

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Speaker 2: Well? I set some hard fast rules. Never eat after

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Speaker 2: long as I maintain that, I kept the weight off.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a friend who was on television consistently,

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Speaker 1: And so what do you feel that when you leave

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Speaker 1: to what degree? Since you are a famous person, do

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Speaker 2: Well, there's not a whole lot of pressure on me

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Speaker 2: physical therapy. This is how I look when I go

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Speaker 2: out of my house, no matter what doesn't have anything

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Speaker 2: to do with my my stardom. It's just my own

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Speaker 1: And do you tend to be recognized?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, not here anyway. I'm recognized outside of the

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. So if you're outside the United States, why

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Speaker 2: I think they have They don't have as many artists,

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Speaker 1: So why are you going to physical therapy?

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Speaker 2: I'm having problem with my back. I've had problems with

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Speaker 1: What's the diagnosis?

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Speaker 2: Just muscular things. I just need some muscle strengthen. You know,

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Speaker 2: And so you have to retrain and that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: So physical therapy is a working for you. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just have physical therapy this morning. So we're on the

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Speaker 1: same page. Yeah, okay, let's go back to the EP.

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Speaker 1: So you say you want to get these messages across.

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Speaker 1: How do you start or what did you do first?

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Speaker 2: Well, the first thing I did was write the songs.

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Speaker 2: And well, actually the first thing I did was get

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Speaker 1: And then stop there. Because you wrote with some very

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Speaker 2: Through my producer Chris Stevens. He knows a lot of

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Speaker 1: So everybody has a different style. What was it like,

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Speaker 1: did you sit in the room together they say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to write a song Nashville style.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, we just we sat in the room together

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Speaker 2: and said we're going to write a song Glory gainnerstyle.

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Speaker 1: Well, I meant that's how they do it. Na. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not that you couldn't write a country song, but having

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Speaker 2: Have written a country song. I have written a country song.

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Speaker 1: So you were in the room, had these messages you

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Speaker 1: wanted to get a out.

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Speaker 2: I had to start, Well, you start with an idea.

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Speaker 2: I start when I write. I start with an idea,

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Speaker 2: what do I What do I want to talk about?

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Speaker 1: You know, So, what do you watch on TV?

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Speaker 2: Well, I go. And I have a vacation place in

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Speaker 2: up with years ago when my husband called me with

444
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: forty five minutes he was gonna arrive in forty five

445
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 2: minutes with company for dinner. Came up with this quick

446
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: meal and my friends love it because it really tastes

447
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: like you've been cooking for hours, but it's really quick

448
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: and simple to pull together, and they use it often.

449
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: How do you make it?

450
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: Well, you roast chicken parts at four hundred and twenty

451
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: five degrees so that the skin is crispy. While that's happening,

452
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: you make a sauce of cream of chicken, soup, sour cream,

453
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: and milk. And when the chicken is crispy and done,

454
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: you pour the soup over the chicken so that it

455
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: gets a little bit on the skin, but mostly it's

456
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: the meat of the chicken is soaking and it goes

457
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: back crispy again. But with the flavor now of this sauce,

458
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: and then you serve that with saffron rice and some

459
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: colorful vegetables. You have her delicious.

460
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: So when am I coming over?

461
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: Whenever you're feelful?

462
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: Okay, So how did you learn how to cook?

463
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: With my mother? My mother was a great cook, and

464
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: she had to be a well, she didn't have to

465
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 2: be a good cook. But I'm praise God that she

466
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: was a good cook because we were very poor. And

467
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: what I remember my mother sending me an off and

468
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: telling story of my mother sending me to the store

469
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: for dinner. With the quarter she told me to get

470
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: fifteen cents worth of bacon skins and ten cents worth

471
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: of beans, and she made a delicious dinner at which

472
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 2: we had two or three people for company from my

473
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: friends came to eat because my mother made dinner fun.

474
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: She made the she made She said she didn't have

475
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: the the she couldn't afford baking powder to make bread rice.

476
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: So she made crackers like animal crackers. She made them

477
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: in animal shapes, and she let us play with them

478
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: at the table and use our imagination and just have

479
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: fun eating and enjoying one another's company. And so they

480
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: love to come over for dinner. Okay, So where did

481
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: you grow up in Newark, New Jersey?

482
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: You know Newark in the sixties, there were riots in Newark.

483
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: There was a lot of racial tension. What was it

484
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: like when you were growing up there?

485
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, riots and racial tension, but it was fun and

486
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: it was I tell you something we used to have.

487
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: Something used to happen in my neighborhood. I don't know

488
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: how far it went, but it happened in my neighborhood.

489
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: And when I grew up and found out that it

490
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: wasn't happening in other neighborhoods or in other cities, I

491
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: really felt a sense of sadness for the rest of

492
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: the world, because what would happen is in the summer,

493
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: spring and summer, one kid would come out with a

494
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: set of bongos and he sits there on the corner

495
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: playing the bongos, and another kid would come out with

496
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar, and somebody would come out with a horn,

497
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: and we'd have a band. And then people would come

498
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: out and sing, and before you knew it, the whole

499
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 2: neighborhood stand out on the corner singing and playing songs

500
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: together and dancing and having great fun. And I thought

501
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: that happened everywhere in the spring and summer. And when

502
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: I found out it didn't, I thought, oh my god,

503
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: they did.

504
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: They did have that. Oh I'm sorry. So were your

505
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: parents from Newark?

506
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: Yes, well they were. My mother was from Alabama, my

507
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: father was from Newark.

508
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: So how'd your mother get from Alabama to New Jersey?

509
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: Her mother brought her to Newark when she was five

510
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: years old. She said. The first thing is the biggest

511
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: thing she remembers, with all the yellow buggies, which were

512
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: yellow taxicabs.

513
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: And how did your parents meet?

514
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, I honestly don't know. How they meant.

515
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: And what did they do for a living.

516
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: My mother was a seamstress and my father was a

517
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: fireman and a musician.

518
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: How many kids in the family.

519
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: Five boys and two girls?

520
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Are you in the hierarchy?

521
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: I had a younger brother and a younger sister and

522
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: four older brothers.

523
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of kids. Did you feel like

524
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: you were lost in the shuffle or no?

525
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: No, not really. I kind of blended in being tom girl.

526
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: I was a tomgirl. My brother and I used to

527
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: climb thing. Well, you got such a thing for climbing,

528
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: and I still have a thing for heights, taking pictures

529
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: from great heights and craziness like that. I took a

530
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: picture at Grand Canyon. It was so dangerous it took

531
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: me two hours to go to sleep that night. I thought,

532
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: what were you thinking? I was hanging off for a

533
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: cliff that was a mild drop. It was a beautiful picture,

534
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: but what a stupid thing to do.

535
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: How old were you when you did it?

536
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: This was just a few years ago, So what were

537
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: you thinking? I don't know, I don't know, just that

538
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: it was going to be a great picture, you know.

539
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: I was at the Grand Canyon like fifteen years ago

540
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: and on the south rim, you know, you can walk.

541
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: The path was like a little dirt path and you

542
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: could reach to your left and that was a mild drop.

543
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean I was scared walking on the.

544
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: On. Yeah, there was a there was a there was

545
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: a spot there. We saw a girl taking the picture

546
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: as we were walking by. We decided we want to

547
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: come back and take a picture, and we did. And

548
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: this is this one spot where there's about a one

549
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: foot I don't know what a step and beyond and

550
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: right on the outside of that step was it was

551
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: it was like almost like a stool, but that's all

552
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: there was, and we would step down. We stepped down

553
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: on that step, held onto the ground, stepped down on

554
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: that step, sat on the stool and took the picture.

555
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: There was a whole canyon behind you. And it's a

556
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: beautiful picture. But how stupid can you.

557
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: Be when you say we? Who is we?

558
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: My manager?

559
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: So you've been around the world? Where have you not been?

560
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a lot of tons of places I haven't been.

561
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: I've only been to ninety countries. And there's how many

562
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: countries are there in the world, like four hundred or something.

563
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: Is there any place you haven't been that is on

564
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: your bucket list.

565
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: I want to go to probably like Nigeria. I haven't

566
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: been to that kind of part of Africa. The parts

567
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: of Africa that I've been to are like Egypt and

568
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: Cape Town, Johannesburg, Bapuda, Swana, But those are like really

569
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: well known places. I just want to go like real

570
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: get into the crux of it Africa.

571
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: Are you the type of person who's into genealogy, your history,

572
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: et cetera. Not really, okay, So what are a couple

573
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: of the place you know? I certainly haven't traveled as

574
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: much as you have, but I find, you know, the

575
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: places where the people don't really speak English that well

576
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: and more of the beaten path are a better experience.

577
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: So where are some of the places you've gone and

578
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: had great experiences?

579
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: My best experience the only place I've ever been in

580
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: the world where you walk down the street and people

581
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: come out of the stores and say, welcome to our country.

582
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: When you go into a store, you have to have

583
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: a coke or a coffee or a tea before you

584
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: can even tell them what you came in there for.

585
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: And that's Lebanon.

586
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: Really, How long ago was that your experience. Leven has

587
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: been through a lot of changes. Yeah.

588
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: No, the last time I was in Lebanon was probably

589
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: twelve years ago. The first time was in nineteen eighty five,

590
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: during the war, right, Yeah. Matter of fact, they had

591
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: me on sixty minutes and they said, on one street

592
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: there's Gloria Gainer, the next street there's the war.

593
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: So you were there to play a gig.

594
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: I was there to do several shows.

595
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, in the back of your mind you say, well, no,

596
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: should I be here?

597
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: Well, not until after they told us they bombed the

598
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: place that we were supposed to work in the night

599
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: before the show. That was all right up until then.

600
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're growing up. What kind of kid are you?

601
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: You're a good student. You have a lot of friends.

602
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: No, I didn't have any friends. I didn't have any

603
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: friends because I was a neighborhood conscience.

604
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Tell me more.

605
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: I was practical to a fault, and so I believe

606
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: that it made sense to obey your parents rather than

607
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: go along with what your friends wanted to do, even

608
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: though if you thought it was gonna be fun, because

609
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: you were gonna get found out, you were gonna get punished,

610
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: and you're gonna get spanked and it wasn't gonna be

611
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: worth it in the end. So I just wouldn't do things,

612
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: and I would try to talk to them out of it.

613
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: And so they didn't like me very much until they

614
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: got in trouble and then they called me to come

615
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: and talk their parents out of the punishment.

616
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: And you said you were tom Boy. Were you playing

617
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: ball et cetera in the show?

618
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of kickball. I was

619
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: just talking about that recently with a friend of mine.

620
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: I love playing kickball Hopscotch double Dutch.

621
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so how were you in school?

622
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, I had a teacher say I can always if

623
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: no one else, I can always depend on Gloria giving

624
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: me her undivided attention.

625
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

626
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: And that was because of being practice. Was just being practical.

627
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: I got to pay attention. So when when school is over,

628
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: I can go home quickly do my homework and have

629
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: time to go out and play.

630
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: So how did the lives of your siblings play out?

631
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: Well, they all grew up and I was the only

632
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: one that wanted children. I'm the only one that doesn't

633
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: have any. So they all grew up and had children.

634
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: My brothers went to the armed forces one at a

635
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: time and came out, got married, had children and.

636
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you wanted to have children and you didn't

637
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: have children Is that a big regret?

638
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: Not a regret anymore. It was a regret when I

639
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: was a child bearing age, Not a regret anymore. Something.

640
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: This is my life. Okay. So you're in school, say

641
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: people are singing out on the street. At what point

642
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: do you say, hmm, this is interesting and might like

643
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: to do this for a living.

644
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: Oh, very early on, probably when I was in fact,

645
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: as matter of fact, I know when I made it

646
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: the stage the decision that I was going to be

647
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: a singer. And I was thirteen years old. I was

648
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: standing in the stairwell of my building waiting for my

649
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: friend to come down and play, and a neighbor came down.

650
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: A woman came down the stairs and I was standing

651
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: there singing, And when she reached me, she said, glory,

652
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: was that you singing? I said, yes, ma'am. She said,

653
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, I thought that was the radio. And

654
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 2: I was singing a song by Frankie Lyman, why do

655
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: Foods Fall in Love? And he was the same age

656
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: as I am, and so I thought if he could

657
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: do it. I can do it too, So that's what

658
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be a singer.

659
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: So what were your first steps?

660
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: It was hard. I really wanted to be a singer,

661
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: and I had no idea how to go about it.

662
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: And I thought I was going to just run over

663
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: to New York and run bust into a record company

664
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: and just stand there and start singing. And of course

665
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: I never did that, but got took cold, and so

666
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: one night my brother and I, Well, first thing that

667
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: happened was that I happened to be babysitting for a

668
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: friend of mine. I was on vacation for my job.

669
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: She needed somebody for a couple of weeks, and I

670
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: went to babysitter for her. And while I was babysitting

671
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: for her, I heard somebody walking in the apartment upstairs,

672
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: and I reasoned that if I could hear them walking,

673
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: they could hear me singing if I sang loud enough.

674
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: I just wanted somebody to hear me sing. At that point.

675
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: I didn't want accolades or anything. I just wanted someone

676
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: to hear me sing, to recognize that I could sing.

677
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: Because my brothers weren't paying attention to me because I

678
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: was a girl. So I did that for a couple

679
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: of weeks and then went back to work, and my

680
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: brother and I went to this school. I was a

681
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: sales auditor at at Bamberger's department store. Yeah, so my

682
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: brother and I passing by this club on the way

683
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: to the bus stop, and I said, I heard about

684
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: this group. Let's go in and see them, and so

685
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: we did. And while I was sitting there, they played

686
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: a song that I knew, and so I'm singing it

687
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: to myself, not where anyone could hear me, but singing

688
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: it to myself. And then someone went on the stage

689
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: and said, ladies and gentlemen, as a young lady in

690
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: the audience, she has a wonderful voice. We don't know

691
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: her last name, but her first name is Gloria, and

692
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: if we give her a great round of applause, maybe

693
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: we can get her up to do a number for us.

694
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: And so at first I was afraid. I was petrified,

695
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: but I went up and sang this song that I

696
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: had heard them play earlier, which was Save Your Love

697
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: for Me by Nancy Wilson, and got a standing ovation,

698
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: and they came over and asked me if I wanted

699
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: to sing with them because the singer that they had

700
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: was unreliable. She hadn't showed up that night, and I said, yeah,

701
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: I would love to. And in that I recognized the

702
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: wisdom of my mother, who had told me, you need

703
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: to prepare for war in peacetime, which I translated to

704
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 2: mean that if I was going to be a singer,

705
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: I need to be prepared for So I'd had her

706
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: make me some dresses, and so I was already and

707
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: I went home that they asked me that they wanted

708
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: me to sing with them, and I said, well, we

709
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: can get together for a couple of weeks. And the

710
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 2: other thing that I had done was that I'd written

711
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: down in an autograph album from high school all this

712
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: every song that every time I learned the song, I

713
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: would write it down in that book. And by this

714
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: time I had like nearly two hundred songs. So I said,

715
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: I'll get my book and come back, and you can

716
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: choose a repertoire because any songs that you want from

717
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: from my songs because I know them all. And came

718
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: back the next night and started singing with them and

719
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 2: never looked back.

720
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you start to sing with them first, night. You know,

721
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: you get this supplause, but playing can be a grind.

722
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: How long did you do? What happened? Could you quit

723
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: your day job? What was going on?

724
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Well? First, I was working three jobs. I singing. I

725
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: was working at Bamburgers from nine to five, working in

726
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: the beauty culture because I had told my mother I

727
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: wanted to be a singer. She said, that's nice, but

728
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: in case you don't make it, you need to have

729
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: some work under your belt because if you don't something,

730
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: because if you don't, nobody's going to want to hear

731
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: ten years from live from now that you never had

732
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: a job. So I went to beauty culture school and

733
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: so I was working at Bamburgers from nine to five,

734
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: working in the beauty shop from five to ten, and

735
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: then working in a nightclub from ten thirty to two

736
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: in the morning.

737
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: How long did that go on?

738
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: Oh, about two or three years.

739
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: That's a tough schedule, it was, It was okay. So

740
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: was there any upward mobility at Bamburgers or you were

741
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: just one of many people working there?

742
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: Well, No, what happened was I did a cop I

743
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: was just one of many people working there, and then

744
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: I got into a contest at a club one night

745
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: when Deal and Walwould happened to be one of the contestants.

746
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 2: But I won the contest and two of the people

747
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: there were a couple of guys that were recording for

748
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: Johnny Nash on his label, and they took me to

749
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Johnny Nash and I did my first recording there.

750
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, a little bit slower from the time

751
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: that you step on stage with the band to the

752
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: time you go to Johnny Nash's house. How long is that?

753
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: Five years? By five years?

754
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: Five years? So how do you maintain your optimism? Oh?

755
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: I was just loving what I was doing. I was

756
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: just loving it.

757
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: So playing in clubs you were loving it? Oh?

758
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was loving it. And then of course I

759
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: hoped that one day i'd record. But in the meantime

760
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: I was loving what I was doing.

761
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: And how many nights a week would you sing? Six

762
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: six nights a week? How many cents.

763
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: Nine to two am, every hour forty five minutes performing

764
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes rests?

765
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: And how did you maintain your voice?

766
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: Well? I didn't drink or smoke, and I vocalized consistently

767
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: and just took care of my throat.

768
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: Okay, what'd you give up first beauty school or Bamburgers.

769
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: Bamburgers Okay, yeah, And did you.

770
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: Ever work in a salon like as a regular job.

771
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was saying I was working from Bamberger's at

772
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: nine to five, beauty shop from five to ten, and

773
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: then the club. I did that for five years.

774
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: So you're in a contest with Dion Warwick. So, Dion Warwick,

775
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: this is before she signs the scepter. She has no hits, right,

776
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: I think not? So how did you feel when she

777
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: had success before you?

778
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't remember, honestly, don't remember if I thought anything

779
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: about it at all.

780
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: Okay, And you know she ultimately had the Psychic Network

781
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: on TV. Oh okay, I remember that if someone came

782
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: to you, would you take a check for that or

783
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: say no? Not for me?

784
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? I said no, no. I never believed in it anyway.

785
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: Okay. So this one contest you win. Were there a

786
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: lot of contests?

787
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: No, that was the only one.

788
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: So tell me exactly how you end up beating Johnny Nash.

789
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: I was. I did that contest and two of the

790
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: people in the audience were singers, and they had they

791
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: recorded for Johnny Nash. They liked my voice and thought

792
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: that he should hear me singing that they should record me.

793
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: Okay, so they say, should record. What was the next step?

794
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: You went to meet Johnny Nash.

795
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: And I went to meet Johnny Nash. I went to

796
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: meet Johnny Nash and he listened to me singing. He said, yep,

797
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: you shet, They're right, You're great, and he recorded me.

798
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: Okay. So how did you decide what material to record?

799
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: And what happened then?

800
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: Well, he kind of decided he had somebody write a

801
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: song for me and didn't like the song. It's kind

802
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: of corny. But I had an opportunity to record. I thought,

803
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: if I recorded, this is the only opportunity I have

804
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: to record. If I dropped this, I may not never

805
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: have another opportunity. If I take this, it might lead

806
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 2: to something more.

807
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: And it did. And at what point do you change

808
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: your last name.

809
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: With Johnny Nash? He told me, Gloria Fowls is not

810
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: a stage name. Nobody will be able to pronounce it,

811
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: nobody'll be able to spell it. No, you need another name,

812
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: And I think he said, I think you should use

813
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: a name that starts with a G, because then your

814
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: fans will probably give you a nickname. They'll call you

815
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: Gig And I said, well, that's that sounds nice, but

816
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: I don't know any names that start with G. He said, well,

817
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: let me see. There's Gainer. I said, that's good.

818
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: And on your passport does it say fouls or Gainer?

819
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: It says Gainer fowls.

820
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: Okay, So you make this record with Johnny Nash, the

821
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: record comes out and what.

822
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: The record comes out? And I began to do a

823
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: little touring and did a few performances, you know, with

824
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: on the tours, and came back and the record didn't

825
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: really do anything. It did absolutely nothing, And so I

826
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: just got with a band. I got a band and

827
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: got first I got an agent, and the agent got

828
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: me a band, and I began and to stop singing

829
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: that song because I never liked it anyway. And the

830
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: band we did top forty songs with my band. So

831
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: we're traveling up and down the East coast doing top

832
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: forty songs until I was discovered by a go go girl,

833
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: actually discovered me again. She was working in the club

834
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: where I was performing, and she took me to her well.

835
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: She brought her manager, told her manager to come and

836
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: hear me sing, and then He took me to Paul

837
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 2: Leka at Columbia Records, who took me to Clive Davis

838
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: who had me do some auditions for him, and I

839
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: sang for him, and he decided he would record me.

840
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: So he had this two brothers, Marvin and Mervin Steele

841
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: write my first, well my second recording, which was Honeybee.

842
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: Okay, so ultimately it ends with you in Columbia. Why

843
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: is that what you mean?

844
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: It ends with me at Columbia.

845
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you're on Columbia Okay?

846
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: Ye did that end?

847
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah? I mean how do you end up moving

848
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: to MGM?

849
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: Well, Clive Davis left the company to form his own company,

850
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: but I was signed to the company. I wasn't signed

851
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: to him, so he couldn't take me with him. So

852
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: I was left at the company and then a company

853
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: nobody was interested in an artist that had been brought

854
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: there by somebody was no longer there, so I was

855
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: just kind of just hanging out there. And then, praise God,

856
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: the president of MGM Records heard Honeybee that I had

857
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: recorded at Columbia decided he wanted me on his label,

858
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: so he bought the contract.

859
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: Okay, And what were the first steps there.

860
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I had to if you see

861
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: my documentary, you see me my what do you call it,

862
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 2: my docky drum, you'll see me running across New York

863
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: to get the contract and sign it before six o'clock

864
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: that night so that I could be moved over to

865
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: MGM Records, and I recorded Never Can Say Goodbye I

866
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: Never Can Say Goodbye album there. They wanted cover song

867
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: for the album, and I thought that the version that

868
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: my band and I were doing was good and that

869
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 2: I should record that. And so I told the president

870
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: that and he sent someone to see my show because

871
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: I said, used to send someone to see the show

872
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: and see the response to this version of Never Can

873
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: Say Goodbye, And he did, and they agreed and it

874
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: became this covered the title song of my first album.

875
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: Okay, that was very successful. After all these years in

876
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: the trenches, you know, in excess of a decade, did

877
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: you you had a lot of ups and downs? Did

878
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: you still believe?

879
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, But I was doing what I wanted to do.

880
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: And that's why I tell people all the time, if

881
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: you you know, they say, if you if you work,

882
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: if you work at what you love, you never work

883
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 2: a day in your life, and that is just so true.

884
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 2: It's so true. I was loving what I was doing

885
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: and the progress as I was making doing it was

886
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: kind of incidental.

887
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: Okay, what's it like to have a hit?

888
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: It's awesome, It's wonderful. I remember the first time I

889
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: was in a public place and heard my song playing.

890
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: I wanted to go around saying, that's me, that's me,

891
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: that's me, that's me. Of course, I didn't just stood

892
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: around trying to see people's reactions to it, if anybody

893
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: was reacting to it.

894
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: And how did your life and opportunities change with a hit?

895
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: Well, my opportunities to buy nice things certainly did change,

896
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: because I was for making more money and doing more

897
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: performances and making more money and loving you know it

898
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: even more, and getting an opportunity to travel, something I'd

899
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: always wanted to do but hadn't had an opportunity. So

900
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: now I'm traveling, and then, you know it expands and

901
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm not only traveling in the country, but now I'm

902
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 2: traveling the world.

903
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: Okay, And you wrote a song on that album and

904
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: co wrote another, So what point did you begin writing songs.

905
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: I began writing songs while I was working with Johnny Nash,

906
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: I wrote a song. As matter of fact, I wrote

907
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: a song, and I can't remember now. I think that

908
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 2: the song that I wrote, the first song that I wrote,

909
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: is on the B side of Honeybee and it's called

910
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: let Me Go Baby. I think kind of corny song,

911
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's a start.

912
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: Okay, you continue to record for MGM, you don't have

913
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: a hit as big as that initial hit. What's the

914
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: experience for you?

915
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm loving what I'm doing. I'm loving what I'm doing,

916
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: and I always say, you know, people say, well, do

917
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: you always try to make sure that the song that

918
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: you the new recording that you're doing, is better than

919
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: the last. No. I try to make sure that everything

920
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: I do, when I do it, i'm doing my best.

921
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: Then may not be as best as good as my

922
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: best was last week, but it's my best now. And

923
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 2: my mother would say even an angel can't do better

924
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: than her best.

925
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: Okay. How do you end up moving from MGM.

926
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: To they merged or one bought the other and something

927
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 2: like that, so you're.

928
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: Working with different people now that it was Polydor or

929
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: the same people, same people Okay, disco, depending who you

930
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: listen to, rock the boat in nineteen seventy four, there

931
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: are all these disco songs. Then, of course, in seventy

932
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: seven seventy eight through Saturday Night Fever, the world becomes

933
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: reware a disco. While this is happening, what do you

934
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: think about disco?

935
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: I think disco is great. I think like about disco then,

936
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: as I think about disco now, and keep saying, because

937
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: I know it to be true, Disco music is the

938
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: only music in the history of music ever to bring

939
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 2: together people from every race, creed, color, nationality, and age group.

940
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: Okay, how do you end up recording? I will survive.

941
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: Well? I had had an accident on stage. I fell

942
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: backwards over a monitor and finished the show, went out

943
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: to breakfast with the group afterwards, went home, went to bed,

944
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: woke up the next morning paralyzed on the waist down.

945
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

946
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: Ended up in hospital for three months, and during which

947
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: time the record company told me they were not going

948
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: to renew my contract. And so I'm praying, really calling

949
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: on my faith and crying out to God. Left the

950
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: hospital with nothing but knowing that God was going to

951
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: do something, just didn't know what. And sure enough, within

952
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: a week or so, the record company called and said

953
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 2: that they weren't renewing my contract because they had gotten

954
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 2: a new president over from England, where I was popular.

955
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 2: He'd had a hit with a song there that he

956
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: wanted to repeat the success with here in the United States.

957
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: He specifically wanted me to record that song. Sent me

958
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: out to California to record this song, and while I

959
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: was there, I asked the producers what would be the

960
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: B side, and they said they didn't know, or asked

961
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: me what kind of songs I like. I said, I

962
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: like songs that are uplifting and encouraging and have good

963
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: melodies and lyrics. And so they had a little pow

964
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: wow and came back and said, we think you're the

965
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: one we've been waiting for to record this song we

966
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: wrote two years ago. And that was I was sur vive.

967
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: Okay, they come in, they say they have this song.

968
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: They play a demo for you. How do you hear

969
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: the song?

970
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: They give me the words they've written down X matter

971
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: for He didn't have anything. He wrote the verds down

972
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: for me and I looked at it and I thought,

973
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: in fact, I said, then, what are you nuts? You're

974
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: gonna put this on the B side? Said this is

975
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: a hit song. I'm standing here relating the fact to

976
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: this song, the fact that I'm in a back brace

977
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 2: and hoping I'll survive that. I'm relating to the fact

978
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 2: that my mother only passed away a few years ago,

979
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: something I never thought, I said, vived. Everybody's going to

980
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: relate to whatever they're going through and hoping they'll overcome.

981
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: They're going to relate it to this song. I said, Well,

982
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: that's the deal we made. I said, well, if it's

983
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: left to me, it won't stay on the B side.

984
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: Okay, he writes down the lyrics. What's the next step?

985
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: Well, I recorded it.

986
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: Did you walk in and they already had a track.

987
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: And you just said no, No, they had to No,

988
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: they just had the they I don't know what they had.

989
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: They just gave me the words, but I suppose they

990
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: had a demo of it, and then they recorded it.

991
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: They got my key, I sang it, They got my key.

992
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: They they made the track and they and I recorded it.

993
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: Okay, you're there. You see the lyrics, you saying this

994
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: is a hit? Yes? Are you singing and going? Man,

995
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: this is my tick? This is great.

996
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 2: No, I'm just thinking this is a hit song. I'm

997
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: gonna have a hit song. That's what I'm thinking. I'm

998
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: gonna have his song.

999
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So the song is recorded, how long after that

1000
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: is released and how long after that does it catch fire?

1001
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: Well, it was released on the on the B side

1002
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: about I guess about three months later, and they gave

1003
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 2: me a box of the CDs and me and my

1004
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 2: management team took took the who who at the time

1005
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: was my husband slash manager. We took it to Studio

1006
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 2: fifty four and as a matter of fact, he wasn't

1007
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: my husband yet, he was just my manager and boyfriend

1008
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: and had it played there and the audience immediately jammed

1009
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: the dance floor. And I'm thinking, this is a New

1010
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: York jaded audience. Okay, if they're immediately responding to a

1011
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: song that they're hearing for the first time like this,

1012
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: I am absolutely right. This is a hit song. So

1013
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 2: we gave him the DJ the box of CDs, told

1014
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: him to give them to his DJ friends have them

1015
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: play it and their clubs, and they did, and people

1016
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: began to request it, and then people going to call

1017
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: the record company at radio stations asking for it because

1018
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: now they want to hear it in traffic on the

1019
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: way to work. On the way home from work and

1020
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: all of this, and the record company got calls from

1021
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: the radio station saying, where is this song? We keep

1022
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: asking a requests for it, and they had to say,

1023
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: with much chagrin, I on the B side of that

1024
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: other record. And so then they flipped it and the

1025
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: next time they released it, they made it the A side.

1026
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: Okay, going back to Studio fifty four, were you a

1027
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: club rat or were you just aware are these clubs? No?

1028
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: It was definitely not a club rat. I never believed

1029
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: in working where I performed. I didn't hang out where

1030
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: I performed a matter of fact, I tried to go

1031
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: to the Studio fifty four one night with some friends

1032
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: of mine who had come over from England and wanted

1033
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: to experience it because they'd heard all about it. And

1034
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: the guy that I call the casting director was the

1035
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: guy behind the velvet rope, came over to my car

1036
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: and said, Mims, Caanna, you don't want to come in

1037
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: here tonight?

1038
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: Steve.

1039
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Steve. It was someone he had hired.

1040
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: And he said, why didn't you want to come that night?

1041
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: Because it was too much debauchery going on inside? And

1042
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: I said, thank you, very much and drove off.

1043
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: And at that point, where were you living?

1044
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: I was living at that point and back in New

1045
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: Jersey because I had moved in with my ex husband,

1046
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: who actually wasn't my husband yet, moved in with my

1047
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 2: husband after being released from the hospital just before doing

1048
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: I Will Survive.

1049
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: Okay. The dream back then, certainly is to go to

1050
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: the big city. So what point do you leave Newark

1051
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: and live in the city before you move back?

1052
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: No, I left there. I've left New York and moved

1053
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: into the city. I think I've moved into the city

1054
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: right after recording. Never can say goodbye.

1055
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how did you meet your rex's husband?

1056
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: That's a long, wonderful story. Actually short, long story short,

1057
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: his mother introduced us.

1058
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: We'll tell it to give me a little bit more

1059
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: than that.

1060
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: His sisters was singing background for me in my shows,

1061
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: and they showed me pictures of him, of showing pictures

1062
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: of they were sharing picture family pictures, and I saw

1063
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: his picture and I said, that's my husband. She said

1064
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: what I said, that's my husband. I'm going to marry him.

1065
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: Of course she laughed it off, and some weeks later

1066
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: I was at their house waiting for them to go

1067
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: to do a show with me, and he came in

1068
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: to visit his father who's ailing, and his mother introduced

1069
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: us and we invited him to the show that night.

1070
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: He came to the show and ended up taking me

1071
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: home and that started there.

1072
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: Okay, it was literally love at first sight for you.

1073
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 2: How about oh yeah, well that's what he said.

1074
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: Okay, you're living in nightclubs. You're an entertainer before you

1075
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: meet your ex husband, you know, because you portray yourself

1076
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: as a goodie goodie. Okay, you're always blowing the whistle.

1077
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: So did you have relationships with other people who just

1078
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: didn't meet the right person?

1079
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: No, not really. I went out a couple of times

1080
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: with a couple of guys, but I know I didn't really.

1081
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: Okay, and then you want children. Why did you not

1082
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: end up having children?

1083
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: Well it was just wasn't in the cars for me,

1084
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:07,479
Speaker 2: I guess.

1085
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so you meet this guy. How did he become

1086
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: your manager?

1087
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: Well? He I started going out with him, but he

1088
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: had managed his sisters, the girls who were singing with me,

1089
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: He had they had a group on their own before

1090
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: they started singing with me, and he was their manager.

1091
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: So I figured he and plus he was a policeman

1092
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 2: and told me that he had gone to John Jay's

1093
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: School of law. And what really made me decide to

1094
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: make him my manager was that my manager had We

1095
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: were on our way out going somewhere. One day, my

1096
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: boyfriend and I and my manager came running downstairs with

1097
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 2: these papers for me to sign, and I signed the

1098
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: papers and gave them to him, and my boyfriend said,

1099
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: what was that? I said, I don't know. He said,

1100
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: why did you sign it? He said, because he told

1101
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: me to. He asked me to. He said, you signed

1102
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: papers without telling without reading them. I said, he's my manager.

1103
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: He's not going to have me do anything wrong. He said,

1104
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 2: he may not have anything you do anything wrong, but

1105
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: there's such a thing as conflict of interest. And he

1106
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: started telling me all about that and how the things

1107
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: in my contract could be good for my manager and

1108
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: not good for me. And with all of that, I

1109
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 2: started questioning my manager and asking him about things, and

1110
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: he was like really reluctant to tell me about with things,

1111
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: you know, he just didn't want to explain things to me.

1112
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 2: And so I got the idea to get my papers

1113
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: from the lawyer that my manager used. That was our lawyer,

1114
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 2: and he said, you shouldn't be our lawyer, you should

1115
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: be his lawyer, and you're a lawyer. Anyway, I got

1116
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: the papers and found out that some things were not

1117
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: right and decided that I was going to fire him

1118
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 2: as my manager and make my boyfriend my manager. So

1119
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: that's what I did.

1120
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: Okay, was your boyfriend soon to be husband a good manager?

1121
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 3: No?

1122
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: No, he was not.

1123
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: He wasn't knowledgeable enough, and he he had some character

1124
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: flaws that did not allow him to learn. Tell me

1125
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: a little bit more, well, he had low self esteem,

1126
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: and so he was afraid to be around I believe

1127
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 2: he was afraid to be around the other managers for

1128
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: fear that they would show him up, and therefore he

1129
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 2: couldn't learn from them because he wasn't around them.

1130
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: And how long did it take you to learn that

1131
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:52,479
Speaker 1: he wasn't good?

1132
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: It took me quite a while to learn that he

1133
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: wasn't good, because the first manager that I had was cracked,

1134
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: and I wasn't around any other managers to know what

1135
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 2: he didn't know, or to know what he wasn't doing

1136
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 2: that was right or that he should have been doing.

1137
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 2: So it took me quite a while to find out

1138
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: that he wasn't a good manager. I found out he

1139
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 2: wasn't a good husband before I found out he wasn't

1140
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: a good manager.

1141
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: That was what I was going to ask. So how

1142
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: did you find out he wasn't a good husband? Oh?

1143
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: Well, he was cheating on me.

1144
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: How'd you find out?

1145
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: I caught him? I mean I didn't actually catch him

1146
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: in the act, but I found evidence in the house

1147
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 2: when I came home, you know.

1148
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: And how long you been married at that point.

1149
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: When I first found out? Twenty years? Twenty years?

1150
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: Okay, so you found out? How long from when you

1151
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: found out till the end of the marriage?

1152
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: Another five years?

1153
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: And why another five years?

1154
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: Because I was hoping that he would change. I would

1155
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: hoping that he was. I was, you know, trying to

1156
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: talk to him, and as a Christian, I know that

1157
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 2: God hates divorce, and so I was trying to honor

1158
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 2: my faith and hoping that he would, you know, become

1159
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 2: a Christian. Would well, he would say he was a Christian.

1160
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: But I was hoping that he would, you know, just

1161
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: do the right thing, you know.

1162
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: And how did it end?

1163
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 2: It ended with me divorcing him.

1164
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: But when you said I'm done, did he say give

1165
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: me one more chance, No, I'll be good.

1166
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1167
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: So it ended with him, how'd you find a new manager? Ah?

1168
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: Well, I had been working in this agency with him

1169
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: that he fired unbeknownst to me. But I the girl

1170
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: who worked in the agents, one of the well the girl,

1171
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: it was only one girl working in the agency. What

1172
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 2: was it?

1173
01:05:58,520 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: It was.

1174
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: Ideal Entertainment. And after working with her for a few weeks,

1175
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: I bought her a sign to put over her desk

1176
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: that said, do you want to talk to the man

1177
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: in charge of the woman who knows what's going? And

1178
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: so I decided to contact her. I contacted her to

1179
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: be a personal assistant while I looked for a manager.

1180
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: I could not find a manager. And during the time

1181
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: that I was looking for a manager, we were working

1182
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: together and I realized she was managing my career. She

1183
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: was doing all the things that a manager was supposed

1184
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: to do and doing them, you know, upfront and right

1185
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 2: out in the open and looking out for me. And

1186
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: so I finally made her my manager.

1187
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: And is she still your manager?

1188
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: She's still my manager?

1189
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: Okay, looking back, were you ripped off?

1190
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: Oh poof, Yes, yes, terribly, terribly. Tell me a little

1191
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: bit more well, there was some advances taken from royalties

1192
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, that I didn't know about.

1193
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: There was.

1194
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 2: Monies used that I didn't know had been that had

1195
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: been used. When the divorce came and the moneies weren't available,

1196
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: I first found out they were, you know, had been misappropriated.

1197
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's go back. I will survive because that

1198
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: and we are a family or probably the two biggest,

1199
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: longest sustaining disco hits. It is beyond belief successful. What's

1200
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: it like being at the center of that.

1201
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 2: It's wonderful. It's wonderful for me because I what I

1202
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: take from that is that I will forever have something

1203
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: that helps me to accomplish what I always wanted and

1204
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: always will want to accomplish with every show, and that

1205
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: is to give my audience something that lasts them beyond

1206
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 2: the duration of my concert.

1207
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 1: Okay, you have this scar gansu and hit. You don't

1208
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: have a hit of that level. You don't have a

1209
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: big hit after What's going through your mind? You're saying, well,

1210
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: I haven't got the right song, the record company is

1211
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: not working, the time moved on. What are you thinking.

1212
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I'm going to continue doing what I do

1213
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 2: because whether my the level of my career goes up

1214
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: or down, I am always going to be able to

1215
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 2: perform and I'm always gonna love it, and so I'm

1216
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: always going to be successful.

1217
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: Okay, are you the type of person because you work

1218
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: with a lot of people? Are you the type of

1219
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: person who maintains relationships with all the other acts? Are

1220
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: you more of a singular loaner type person.

1221
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 2: Well, I'm the kind of person that would would maintain

1222
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: friendships if we weren't ships passing in the night. We're

1223
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: just ships passing in the night, and a few people

1224
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 2: that I have passed, you know, and wanted to become

1225
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 2: friends with. Littlev on the other coast. Everybody lives on

1226
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: the west, on the East coast, you know, and I'm

1227
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 2: over here on the West coast. So I don't really

1228
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 2: have long term friends in the business. I have long

1229
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 2: term friends outside of the business. Friends that are people

1230
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 2: that I've been friends with for twenty thirty forty years.

1231
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you did not write I will survive. No, So

1232
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: subsequent to that and today are you working to survive?

1233
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:47,520
Speaker 2: And oh no, no, I'm working because I love it absolutely.

1234
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: I could stop right right now.

1235
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So In the New York Times article about you,

1236
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: they start talking about you doing tours singing to tape.

1237
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: How did that start?

1238
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 2: My ex husband decided that it would be cheaper if

1239
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: we didn't have a band and we didn't have because

1240
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have the salaries and we wouldn't have the

1241
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 2: airfares for them, and I could sing to tracks.

1242
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: How did you feel about it?

1243
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 2: I hated it. I hated it, but he was my

1244
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 2: manager and I felt like I didn't have control.

1245
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: Okay, the peak of disco was almost fifty years ago.

1246
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: Has there always been a need for I will survive

1247
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: such that? Really you never fall below the radar screen,

1248
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: You're not the trams with disco inferno? Whatever? Is it

1249
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: such that it's so iconic, kind of like dominic Lean

1250
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 1: an American pie. People always know what, people always are

1251
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: calling you, always working. Is it like that?

1252
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 2: It's absolutely like that. It's absolutely like that. And really

1253
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: I really feel that this song is like they said,

1254
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: we think you're the one we've been waiting for to

1255
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 2: record this song that we wrote two years ago. I

1256
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: always believe that God told them, sit down, write a song,

1257
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: hold on till I'm going to send you somebody because

1258
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 2: he told me. God told me, no one can keep

1259
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: you from getting what I have for you except you.

1260
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: So I believe that this song is a gift from

1261
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: God and will carry me through to the end.

1262
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: Now there's a docu drama, there's a footage, there's one

1263
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: where somebody's playing your role. There's a book in terms

1264
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: of legacy. Do you feel you get the respect and

1265
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 1: acknowledgment you deserve? I do. Yeah. So, being Gloria Gainor

1266
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: who has this amazing career, what kind of doors does

1267
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: that open?

1268
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. I never thought about it because I

1269
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: don't really use my name like that, you know, to

1270
01:11:59,439 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: open an.

1271
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: Let me put it in a different way. You pull

1272
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: up the studio fifty four, the guy who's the bouncer comes,

1273
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: j I'll goes not tonight. He's doing that for you.

1274
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: He's not doing that for every car that pulls up. Okay,

1275
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: So how much of that do you experience? Oh?

1276
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 2: Well, that kind of thing I experienced quite a bit.

1277
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 2: I mean, if I go to a restaurant and I

1278
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: have done that a couple of times, not a lot,

1279
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 2: but I've done it a couple of times where I

1280
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 2: really want to get into this restaurant because I have

1281
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: people from out of town that I want to experience it,

1282
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 2: and we can't get in, so I send one of them,

1283
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: tell them you have Glory Gainner outside and and yeah,

1284
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 2: and they'll let us and they'll make room for us. Yeah,

1285
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 2: it's always nice.

1286
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: Tell me about a couple of famous people you met

1287
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: that impressed you a couple of well.

1288
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, of course impressed me. He not only impressed

1289
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: me with his talent, but he impressed me with his kindness.

1290
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 2: And and my impression of him actually didn't come through

1291
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: my meeting him. It was nice to meet him after

1292
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: having heard accounts from people who worked with him about

1293
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: how kind and generous he was, So it was wonderful

1294
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 2: meeting him, and I was impressed with him. And then

1295
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: he called me and told me he was impressed with

1296
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 2: me because you see me perform, and that he truly

1297
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 2: enjoyed my performance. We did a show at Madison Square

1298
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: Garden the night before that, Faithful nine to eleven, and

1299
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: I was on that show. So he called me the

1300
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: next day and told me how much he was impressed

1301
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: with my performance. And I had done his song. Never

1302
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 2: could say goodbye, And but I dedicated. I will survive

1303
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 2: to him. So yeah, not a lot.

1304
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: How about non musicians.

1305
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 2: Non musicians, Oh yes, yes, actors and of course I'm

1306
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: gonna lose the names right now. I met Jeffrey Wright,

1307
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: who I was very much impressed with. Love his work.

1308
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 2: I met Harry Belafonte, love his work and told him so.

1309
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 2: In fact, I told them both and just saw a

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Speaker 2: movie with what was the one who played? Oh god,

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01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 2: h Samuel Well. I met Samuel L. Jackson. That was

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 2: wonderful meeting him. Charles Barklay, great meeting him. And one

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01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: one one really great experience I had was I was

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 2: over in Spain and we're doing a show and I

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01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 2: was at this event that I didn't really know what

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01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 2: the event it was.

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01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: It was the premiere of The.

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: Expendables, okay, and they were out, the cast were outside

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01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 2: taking I was outside building around and with with the

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01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: people who were in attendance, and they were taking pictures

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 2: and I wanted to meet them because I'm a big

1322
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: fan of those at that series of show of movies.

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01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: And uh so I gathered my nerve and walked over

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01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 2: to them and I said, gentlemen, Glory Ganner, may I

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01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 2: take a picture with my American toys and spun around

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01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: in front of them and stretched my arms out to

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01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 2: take this picture. And they were like, oh my god,

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01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 2: glory Ganer glory again, which I never expected. I never

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01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 2: expected them to know who I was. And so there

1330
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 2: was Wesley Snipes and Arnold Swarzenegger and who else was there?

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01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 2: Like I said, names always escaped me, but you know

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01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: the whole cast of those guys, and it was just

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 2: great taking a bitch of But I was so disappointed

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: to find none of the pictures showed up in the

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01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 2: papers the next day. And my tour manager who took

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01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 2: pictures had a car accident that night and ended up

1337
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 2: in the hospital with broken ribcage and the camera was smashed,

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01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: So no pictures.

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01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what the God's message is on that.

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01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't either, But that's a pretty bold move. Are

1341
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 1: you normally that bold?

1342
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 2: No? Never, I've never done anything like that before.

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01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: Since Okay, you're in America, forget Europe, and it comes

1344
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: out that you're a Gloria Gainer? Does anyone not know

1345
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: who you are?

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01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: You know what? People know the song? Far far more

1347
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 2: people know the song than know the name. Because I've

1348
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 2: had you know introduced me. This is Gloria Gaynor. And

1349
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: the people they're looking like, oh, nice to meet you.

1350
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 2: This is Gloria Gaynor. And they're like, okay, do you

1351
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 2: know the song I Will Survive? Yeah, well this is

1352
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 2: the one who's saying. Oh. They then they light up.

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01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: And how about young people? Young people know I will

1354
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: survive too?

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01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: Right from A to eighty. My audience is from A

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01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: to eighty.

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01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: Okay, let's say I come to see you. What am

1358
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:28,759
Speaker 1: I going to expect?

1359
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 2: Well, the same thing I always say to my audience.

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01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 2: Something old, something new, something borrowed, nothing blue.

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01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: Nothing blue. Wow. Okay, it's a business, it's a skill.

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01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: Every once in a while you're there and the audience

1363
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: is so enthusiastic, they're with you the whole time. Other

1364
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 1: times you have to win them over. So what are

1365
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: some of the skills you use?

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01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: I talked to them. I talked to them. You know,

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01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: I used to go to England a lot. I haven't

1368
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 2: been in England that much recently, but I used to

1369
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 2: go to England a lot, and because they're so laid back,

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: I came up with this speech that I used to

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01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 2: say before every show. Because I knew they were going

1372
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 2: to be non responsive, so in order to get them

1373
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 2: to be responsive, I would say, welcome to my show.

1374
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 2: It's wonderful to have you here. I understand that the

1375
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 2: British are very reserved. We will have no reserve this evening.

1376
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 2: You will remember that everyone in front of you, behind you,

1377
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: to the side of you is the very soul of discretion.

1378
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 2: No one will tell that you had a wonderful time

1379
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: this evening. So clap your hands, stump your feet, sing along,

1380
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 2: and do whatever makes you happy without knowing anyone else,

1381
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: and we will have a wonderful time this evening. You're

1382
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: already getting me excited, and that would just tay down

1383
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 2: the barriers.

1384
01:18:55,280 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, you've done thousands of shows. Tell me

1385
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 1: two shows that were really memorable for you, and why.

1386
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: One show that was merely memorable for me was not

1387
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: that long ago, just a few months ago, and that

1388
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 2: was in Rio where my audience was one hundred and

1389
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 2: fifty thousand people.

1390
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 1: What were the circumstances that you were playing. Was it

1391
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: a multi act bill? What was the bill?

1392
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: It was a multiac bill. Yeah, it's a multiac bill,

1393
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 2: and I thought that several acts were on at once.

1394
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 2: They had several stages, but only one stage was lit

1395
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 2: up and in use at a time, so each act

1396
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:41,520
Speaker 2: had one hundred and fifty thousand people. It was incredible.

1397
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 2: It was really incredible.

1398
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: Okay, did they know why I Will Survive in Rio?

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01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh yes, and they sing along and I

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01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,799
Speaker 2: sing it in Spanish, which I'm disappointed to know find

1401
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 2: that they don't really want to hear it in Spanish. Well,

1402
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 2: they don't want to hear it in Spanish and real

1403
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 2: because they speak Portuguese, right, But in Spanish speaking countries

1404
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: they don't want to hear it because they've bothered to

1405
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: learn it in English, so they want to sing. But

1406
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 2: it was wonderful hearing them sing it in English along

1407
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: with me one hundred and fifty thousand people at one time.

1408
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: It was incredible. The other show outstanding show for me

1409
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 2: was that show at Madison Square Garden the night before

1410
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. And because the response to me in

1411
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 2: New York, which was practically my hometown, was incredible. I

1412
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 2: was told by a number of people that nobody got

1413
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 2: the response that I got except Michael Jackson.

1414
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: I believe that. Okay, so you're divorced. Any romance since then? No, no, no, no.

1415
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: As I told my friends, one let's bill to answer

1416
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 2: and one let's the egg to fry. Don't sound like

1417
01:20:58,600 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: a sad song to me.

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01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: Okay, if you bumped into somebody and you felt something,

1419
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: would you run with it or would you say no?

1420
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 3: No?

1421
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I'm open to whatever God has for me.

1422
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 1: Okay, are you going to die on stage?

1423
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: I probably will.

1424
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: Is it any harder to do it now?

1425
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: Physically?

1426
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 1: Yes?

1427
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 2: But otherwise absolutely not.

1428
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: Well you're talking about physical therapy, how about vocally? Yeah?

1429
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all and.

1430
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: All this experience. Are you basically in the glory of

1431
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: gainer business or are you a student of the game.

1432
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: You're listening to new stuff, You're aware of what other

1433
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: people are doing. What's your viewpoint?

1434
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: To some degree, I listen to what other people are doing.

1435
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 2: I don't like a lot of what other people are doing,

1436
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 2: so I'm not listening to a lot of it. But

1437
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 2: I do try to keep up and fresh, and I

1438
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: add songs to my show that I know the young

1439
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 2: audiences will know, like I sing Seas and Unstoppable, and

1440
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 2: my background singers do some stuff from Bruno Mars, and

1441
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: you know, we add stuff to the show current stuff

1442
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 2: to the show. You know from time to time, do

1443
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 2: you have.

1444
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: To rehearse on the road to go on the road

1445
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: where everybody's done it so many times? Well, o, old machine,

1446
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 1: we just show up.

1447
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: No, I don't rehearse. We rehearse whatever's new.

1448
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: But other than that, No, Okay, you have survived. Okay,

1449
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: you're in your ninth decade. What advice do you give

1450
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: to everybody else to survive?

1451
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 2: Put most of your energy into becoming the best version

1452
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: of you that you can possibly be.

1453
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: I think we'll leave it at that. That's Gloria Gainor

1454
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: she's got a new EP. Very honest and open. Gloria,

1455
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,839
Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking this time with my audience.

1456
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's been a leisure.

1457
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: Until next time. This is Bob left sets playh