Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast congratulates Dan on his honorary
Speaker 1: doctorate in philanthropy from Tulane University.
Speaker 2: Thank you, I mean that one, Greg, I understand that
Speaker 2: might annoy you Tulane now.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm glad that you're mentioned in the Green
Speaker 3: Wave on the eve of their AAC AAC Championship appearance.
Speaker 3: Everyone watched that this week, thig.
Speaker 2: One sure from the Chris Westley podcast studio. It's Around
Speaker 2: the NFL. Yes, I am Dan Hansis. I will be
Speaker 2: speaking at Tulane later this spring. Greg Rosenthal a graduate,
Speaker 2: he might accompany me. We might have a trip down
Speaker 2: to Nola together. And Mark Sessler. It is the Week
Speaker 2: My Goodness thirteen preview episode How It Flies.
Speaker 4: Mark, We've got that honorary football that you received, you know,
Speaker 4: citing your philanthropic nature right over there at the window,
Speaker 4: and you and I walked by the window and it
Speaker 4: is very visible your name closed through the window. And
Speaker 4: there's a lot of tour groups of students that by
Speaker 4: this studio gonna just think more highly of you than
Speaker 4: they already do.
Speaker 2: I thought of going on Amazon and getting one of
Speaker 2: those you plug it in. It's an arrow that's like
Speaker 2: pointing at the ball and blinking. But I don't know
Speaker 2: that's a cost concern. If it's manageable financially, I might
Speaker 2: just do it.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you you went on and on about,
Speaker 4: you know, having all this being done in secret and quiet,
Speaker 4: so glowing arrow is sort.
Speaker 5: Of well, now that it's out there, you know, might
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 6: Might as well.
Speaker 3: Have we heard from any listener who knows how we
Speaker 3: got this ball?
Speaker 6: Nobody knows.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows, but one day maybe we'll get to the
Speaker 2: bottom of it. Or maybe I did do something and
Speaker 2: I just don't know it. So you have to factor
Speaker 2: in everything here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, spread a wide net with your good your good doing.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's like fight club, except your your other identity
Speaker 3: is doing good deeds for young business groups?
Speaker 6: Is it? Business groups?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 6: All right, So we got so much to get to.
Speaker 2: This is a big week, and we kind of teased
Speaker 2: this week as the beginning obviously of the end of
Speaker 2: the regular season. And there's so much at stake and
Speaker 2: so much more to learn about these teams, and it
Speaker 2: all kind of starts right here with game.
Speaker 6: It's not a.
Speaker 5: Killer slate, the primetime games.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a great primetime game. That's a great
Speaker 2: late game. The game the slate itself not great, but
Speaker 2: we're gonna learn, gonna learn more about our league by
Speaker 2: Sunday night. So let's talk about these games. So let's
Speaker 2: start with one of those stellar games on the schedule,
Speaker 2: a game that didn't look like it was gonna be
Speaker 2: anything to get excited about just a few weeks ago.
Speaker 5: But things have changed. The Packers have changed.
Speaker 2: Coming off a great Thursday Thanksgiving performance against the Lions
Speaker 2: in Detroit, a real thorough win, and their young quarterback
Speaker 2: Jordan Love is playing at a much higher level. They
Speaker 2: get the Chiefs now at home, and Mark the Chiefs
Speaker 2: are in some ways a mysterious team, at least on
Speaker 2: one side of the ball. We're still trying to figure
Speaker 2: out if we could trust the Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6: Read side of it, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: But it's the defensive side that we are pretty confident
Speaker 2: in being one of the very best in the league.
Speaker 2: Big big challenge here for Love. I think we're gonna
Speaker 2: learn a lot about the Packers in this game.
Speaker 4: The Packers, to me are I came into the season
Speaker 4: intrigued by them, just because of the nature of having
Speaker 4: an entirely new quarterback. And then I thought, well, this
Speaker 4: Jordan lun thing doesn't look so hot, right.
Speaker 2: We talked about this, like I asked you specifically, right,
Speaker 2: it hasn't worked out.
Speaker 5: As we planned. And then they just started winning and
Speaker 5: he started playing at a high level.
Speaker 4: I thought, what happened on Thanksgiving and the way that
Speaker 4: they came out just firing the ball and Matt Lafleur
Speaker 4: cooking up. I thought, his best coaching effort that I've
Speaker 4: really ever seen from him. Just the way that this team,
Speaker 4: with its young parts around Jordan Love all kind of
Speaker 4: growing up together, creates a fascinating matchup for Kansas City,
Speaker 4: who I think on defense because we're always focused on
Speaker 4: Mahomes and there's you know, he's thrown only two deep
Speaker 4: touchdowns in the last two seasons. What's going on with
Speaker 4: their offense, But it's like the Steve Spagnolo defense has
Speaker 4: been something you can count on week a week, And like,
Speaker 4: I just think the way there's an element to consistency
Speaker 4: if he's been there for so long. But guys like
Speaker 4: Chris Jones playing the way he should, George Karloftus put
Speaker 4: Trent McDuffie, for instance, like leading the league and force
Speaker 4: fumbles and being used all over the field and creating
Speaker 4: havoc for quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: It's in Green Bay.
Speaker 4: I love that for the Packers, but Jordan Love is
Speaker 4: gonna face a real test here and if he can
Speaker 4: hang with the what the Chiefs do on offense, it's
Speaker 4: another big step for a team in Green Bay that
Speaker 4: I think really has a good chance to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Right, it's a young team, the youngest offense playing a
Speaker 3: veteran defense. And when I think veteran, yes, they have
Speaker 3: a lot of young players throughout the defense in the secondary,
Speaker 3: but there's great continuity. They've been together for a while
Speaker 3: and the coach has been there for a while. And
Speaker 3: I think back to the last time these two teams played,
Speaker 3: and it was Jordan Love's first ever start, and there
Speaker 3: was this great fascination, Wow, what is this gonna look like?
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is hurt, Jordan Love's gonna come in, He's
Speaker 3: gonna make his first ever start, And it was just
Speaker 3: kind of like there. It wasn't terrible, but they didn't
Speaker 3: let him cook too much. And this Jordan Love to
Speaker 3: me two years later, has shown a lot of progress.
Speaker 3: I think he looks like an NFL quarterback. Now he
Speaker 3: might be a little up and down as an NFL quarterback,
Speaker 3: But the thing I like are his eyes. Like his
Speaker 3: eyes are very often in the right place. He goes
Speaker 3: through his progressions, he goes one two that he runs.
Speaker 3: He doesn't run enough. I would say, like I would
Speaker 3: like him to see his athleticism. But the decision making,
Speaker 3: I've said all along is pretty good. A couple weeks ago,
Speaker 3: I thought he was turning the corner, and now you're
Speaker 3: seeing a little bit of the athleticism and the actual
Speaker 3: execution along with the decision making. So it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 3: You got Jayden Reid who's been a little out of practice,
Speaker 3: you got Christian Watson playing better. Like this is a
Speaker 3: nice young group of receivers. I think like they have
Speaker 3: a better, you know, young group of receivers than the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, like, man if Patrick Mahomes had Jaden Reid,
Speaker 3: and he'd probably know what to do with Watson and
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs, Like they've got three receive rices like of
Speaker 3: equal value, whereas you got only one Recie Rice on
Speaker 3: the pack on the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: Rather, Yeah, I'm really interested to see as we again
Speaker 2: we talked about it what matters in the last five weeks,
Speaker 2: you could definitely say that about the Chiefs and their
Speaker 2: offense as well. And part of me thinks, and maybe
Speaker 2: this is just like kind of reflexive after years and
Speaker 2: years of greatness, that we might still see a good
Speaker 2: run to the finish line for this offense and they're
Speaker 2: gonna figure some things out, and and Rice will continue
Speaker 2: to rise, and Kelsey will kind of hit that extra
Speaker 2: gear and all of a sudden, Mahomes instead of throwing
Speaker 2: two touchdowns a game and being a human looking, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they're putting up multiple points a game
Speaker 2: because they all like thirty point games, because they it's.
Speaker 6: All kind of there still, including a running game.
Speaker 5: So I think this is a spot where you could
Speaker 5: see it in prime time in Green Bay. I would
Speaker 5: not be surprised if you do get a big Packers
Speaker 5: offensive performance. And if it does, I like the chief
Speaker 5: I like the Chiefs a lot in this game. I
Speaker 5: guess I'll put it that way that I do see
Speaker 5: them kind of figuring some things out. You saw you
Speaker 5: saw pieces of that last week ability to kind of
Speaker 5: get things going in the second half, which had been
Speaker 5: an issue. I think they're gonna figure this out and
Speaker 5: we're gonna look at them come January in the playoffs
Speaker 5: as the Chiefs that we know.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I think the the Rashi Rice like development
Speaker 4: is big. I mean because like next gen stats from
Speaker 4: all sorts of angles tells you, this is a is
Speaker 4: a different offense than what we could rely on the past.
Speaker 4: They don't have that explosive downfield element. I mean, they've
Speaker 4: been plagued with, you know, poor wide receiver play. If
Speaker 4: Rice can provide that like what he did last week,
Speaker 4: which is sort of a I bet the best version
Speaker 4: of him we've seen this season, like that changes things.
Speaker 4: And I think there's a little bit of question about
Speaker 4: if Travis Kelcey is still premier Travis Kelcey at this
Speaker 4: point of the year, if he's a little banged up.
Speaker 5: But they can run the ball with in a way
Speaker 5: that they couldn't in the past.
Speaker 3: I like that they know what they haven't Pacheco, and
Speaker 3: they used them more in the receiving game last week.
Speaker 3: I think I thought that was important. And I think
Speaker 3: McKinnon might be out for this week too, because he's
Speaker 3: one of their only playmakers on offense. Rice is another one,
Speaker 3: but Rice is kind of limited. I went through that
Speaker 3: game and was hoping, like, you know, we're gonna see
Speaker 3: the way they and a lot of it was just
Speaker 3: second reaction plays where he's kind of the you know,
Speaker 3: Kelsey who that's great that Mahomes is gonna find on
Speaker 3: these crossing routes in some like quick screens, but like
Speaker 3: he doesn't go out and like run routes really well
Speaker 3: or anything like Like Jayden Reid to me is he's
Speaker 3: a really good slot receiver as a rookie. Romeo adopts
Speaker 3: can do different things like Rice is explosive, get him
Speaker 3: the ball in space. He can make plays, but he's
Speaker 3: a little limited to be a number one type of receiver.
Speaker 3: The Chiefs, by the way, are favored by six in
Speaker 3: this game, Itch, and the over under is forty two
Speaker 3: and a half, relatively low. Man. I love the Packers,
Speaker 3: easy to say now getting seven and a half last
Speaker 3: week against the Lines, and I think six is too
Speaker 3: much too. I think this might be the hardest game
Speaker 3: the Chiefs have left on the schedule. If they win this,
Speaker 3: they might keep winning. I think the Packers got a
Speaker 3: chance to win this thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, call a hunch.
Speaker 2: Rashat hunches have been off this year, but I just
Speaker 2: feel good about Kansas City.
Speaker 4: The six feel a little absurd considering what we've seen
Speaker 4: from Green Bay.
Speaker 5: In Green Bay over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: No third is strong.
Speaker 2: I mean, are we now seeing Green Bay as one
Speaker 2: of the top teams in the league. It's just, you know,
Speaker 2: they're on a nice little heater in the quarterbacks playing.
Speaker 3: One and for all that.
Speaker 6: I don't want to take anything away from it.
Speaker 3: I just said it seems a little bit of a
Speaker 3: slap in the same for the Chief struggles a little offensively,
Speaker 3: like efficiency wise, success rate, all that stuff. There's still
Speaker 3: like a top ten offense. It's not like they are
Speaker 3: on offense, but that I hear.
Speaker 2: What you also like Mahomes is, you know, you could
Speaker 2: say the greatest quarterback ever, and he's currently on pace
Speaker 2: for the worst yards per game, passing, yards per attempt, touchdown,
Speaker 2: interception ratio, passer rating all the lowest since he became
Speaker 2: a starter. So this obviously has been a difficult year
Speaker 2: for them so far. By their lofty standard one.
Speaker 3: Matchup to Wax Travis Rashwan Gary is just having a
Speaker 3: crazy good season. It hasn't totally shown up, but him
Speaker 3: versus Donovan Smith or Juwan Taylor, I think the Chiefs
Speaker 3: are a little vulnerable there. And Kenny Clark finally had
Speaker 3: a big game last week, so that's something to watch it.
Speaker 3: If he gets a lot of heat on Mahomes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Checko could end up crossing like thirteen hundred year some scrimmagees.
Speaker 6: He looks really good all there. And if they're averaging
Speaker 6: twenty three points a game, Greg.
Speaker 3: The league, the league is not the same offensively. They're
Speaker 3: a good example.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 2: Let's move to Monday night football where the Bengals and
Speaker 2: Jaguars will do battle. You know, it's just depressing, damn
Speaker 2: no Joe Burrow, of course, it is Jake Browning and
Speaker 2: they are if you want to talk yourself into this game,
Speaker 2: it's basically win or done for the Bengals at this point.
Speaker 2: If they go to five and seven, you could basically
Speaker 2: fold up the tent because they're not gonna win out.
Speaker 2: And the Jaguars, I think it's Greg for me, building
Speaker 2: on what you saw from their offense last week against
Speaker 2: the Texans, building on Lawrence starting to come out of
Speaker 2: a shell a little bit, and do they have a
Speaker 2: surge in them down the stretch.
Speaker 3: I think they do. And I look at the line
Speaker 3: eight and a half for the Jaguars and I just think, man,
Speaker 3: how valuable quarterbacks are to this league?
Speaker 6: That will most valuable.
Speaker 3: They're too valuable, because, like I'll be doing this game
Speaker 3: on Channel five if you want to watch in the UK,
Speaker 3: and it's like, this would have been one of the
Speaker 3: best Monday night football games of the year. It would
Speaker 3: have been so exciting. And now it's eight and a half,
Speaker 3: and that seems fine because I actually think with Joe Burrow,
Speaker 3: Jaguars Bengals is pretty even based on the weaknesses, the
Speaker 3: relative strengths and everything. And I do love what I
Speaker 3: saw out of Lawrence last week. I don't think I
Speaker 3: gave him enough credit on the recap show. Some of
Speaker 3: those big time throws he had against the Texans were fantastic.
Speaker 3: And the thing I loved is what we've been asking for,
Speaker 3: Let's see like this special throws from Lawrence the last
Speaker 3: two weeks. They've absolutely changed their strategy. They're throwing the
Speaker 3: ball down the field more, they're doing more play action,
Speaker 3: they're more creative, they're more aggressive, and there's a little
Speaker 3: more variance. He misses some throws, that's fine, No one's perfect,
Speaker 3: but the pluses have far outweighed the negatives. And this
Speaker 3: is the type of Jaguars team I think, Okay, you
Speaker 3: can win some games in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: They're set up with because the Bengals issues at this
Speaker 4: stage in the season. I mean, they're essentially they're obviously
Speaker 4: cooked from every angle without Joe Burrow, but even we're
Speaker 4: Burrow there, Like, their defense is not what we've thought
Speaker 4: they've been in the past. Like there's a crazy stat
Speaker 4: out there that the AFC North has existed for twenty
Speaker 4: two years with those four teams aligned that way. Of
Speaker 4: the eighty eight combined seasons of those four teams, the
Speaker 4: current Bengals run defense ranks eighty eighth out of eighty
Speaker 4: eight in rushing yards allowed, yards per carry eighty first
Speaker 4: out of eighty eight, defensive rushing success rate seventy seventh
Speaker 4: out of eighty eight. So there, run you can run
Speaker 4: on them, and that isn't so much maybe a huge
Speaker 4: factor in this game. I'm truev CTN is being absolutely
Speaker 4: But secondly, they can't run the ball either. I think
Speaker 4: mix In last week had sixteen carries off sixteen yards
Speaker 4: off eight carries. So on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 4: you've got You've got like a inexperienced Jake Browning sitting
Speaker 4: out there with everyone around him not able to suppor
Speaker 4: him in the run game. And you know, I just
Speaker 4: what I hate about this Bengals season right now. It's
Speaker 4: like you've essentially.
Speaker 3: Lost not just Joe Burrows season, but Chase like Higgins
Speaker 3: everyone else around him.
Speaker 5: Like it's a lost campaign and it is a depressing
Speaker 5: Island affair.
Speaker 2: Jake Browning, to the point we're making at the top
Speaker 2: of this particular conversation, in Week twelve, became the fiftieth
Speaker 2: starting quarterback in the NFL this season. That's a lot.
Speaker 2: And it also gets at the point when people get
Speaker 2: mad about there's too many rules protecting the quarterback. Oh
Speaker 2: make it flag football or mark You'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: put him in a skirt, which is you know.
Speaker 5: I do say that every Sunday. I'm saying that.
Speaker 2: Highly retrograde commentary. But this is why, because we don't
Speaker 2: need fifty starting quarterbacks. And but the thing is graggy.
Speaker 2: The players are bigger and faster and stronger ever, and
Speaker 2: there's just no way to really protect these guys because
Speaker 2: they are naturally in a vulnerable position back.
Speaker 3: There, right they've wrist injuries falling on a sack that
Speaker 3: there's only so much you can do. It's just it's
Speaker 3: just a bummer because Jake Brown and he's gonna try
Speaker 3: to make some plays. He held the ball quite a
Speaker 3: bit last week. I thought there were moments it was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: he kind of looks like an NFL quarterback. But I
Speaker 3: think he's going to be the backup type that tries
Speaker 3: to make plays, and so they might be a week
Speaker 3: that they pop and that they're okay. I doubt this
Speaker 3: is that week, but I think those also got to
Speaker 3: be some weeks, and last week was pretty close to
Speaker 3: it where he's just killing them and he was not
Speaker 3: that guy and they're tackles you keep pointing out too,
Speaker 3: Like I really think Burrow was propping up a flawed
Speaker 3: team that was not going to get where they wanted
Speaker 3: to go. Their tackle through though, are bad on the
Speaker 3: edges in terms of their pass protection. Orlando Brown has
Speaker 3: not really played well and on the other side that
Speaker 3: their longtime veterans been average, and his percentage of pressures
Speaker 3: that he gives up now he has to go against
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, who will hear a lot. I just can
Speaker 3: guarantee money nights. Like, not a lot of people talk
Speaker 3: about Josh Allen fabs. It's like you just that's the
Speaker 3: only thing people say about Josh Allen. So we are
Speaker 3: we're talking about him. He's been fantastic, maybe the best
Speaker 3: contract year of anyone in the entire NFL. Eric, do
Speaker 3: we have time for another edition of another segment on
Speaker 3: the show? What is this gonna be? Browning be talking?
Speaker 7: It's time for the latest edition of Dan's Media Minute.
Speaker 5: I don't remember the script, but close that sounds right.
Speaker 2: I don't need and listen, we're all dealing with all
Speaker 2: these starting quarterbacks this year and all these backups playing, right,
Speaker 2: But I don't need And I believe it was on ESPN,
Speaker 2: But it's not a shot at ESPN because we do
Speaker 2: it obviously, the major networks do it these pregame shows. Okay,
Speaker 2: we don't have Joe Burrow, but Jake Browning's here, so
Speaker 2: we're gonna do a fawning feature on Jake Browning and
Speaker 2: how awesome he was in high school. Oh, Jake brown
Speaker 2: E set every record ever at his high school and men.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of success too, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the NFL, though, So like the
Speaker 2: fact that he threw four hundred touchdowns in high school
Speaker 2: is not going to hype me up to think that
Speaker 2: the Bengals are gonna be okay with a deep, deep,
Speaker 2: upper deck level quarterback now playing in the front row.
Speaker 2: I I just want to say, toned down, tone down
Speaker 2: the fireworks about these deep backups. We don't need to
Speaker 2: dress it up and make it seem like every guy
Speaker 2: is gonna be Kurt Warner, because there's really only one
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner.
Speaker 3: And that's it's really fair, I would imagine, you know that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's about like I just like I have not seen
Speaker 3: one of these.
Speaker 4: I watched I watched it on Sunday morning. This will
Speaker 4: people be listening to this in about you know, seven
Speaker 4: or eight hours. There'll probably be some television producers out
Speaker 4: there but already cooked up this segment and maybe they,
Speaker 4: you know, back the truck up and remove it from
Speaker 4: the rundown tough spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another here's my new here's my mast headquarters,
Speaker 3: there's scrambling hands. This is on to us, So we
Speaker 3: gotta we gotta pay it. We got an audible.
Speaker 4: The other move, which I've found to be successful, is
Speaker 4: like hard ghosting pregame shows entirely, so if it happens,
Speaker 4: I never know what happened, right, But.
Speaker 3: For the people that do watch, in the producers that
Speaker 3: make the content, you just know that you were just
Speaker 3: on the media minute.
Speaker 5: I'll give you one more other little media nugget.
Speaker 4: You want to wow, it's not a minute, it's just
Speaker 4: a little nug okay, But I want to put this
Speaker 4: up on screen because our friend's spice Rack, and we
Speaker 4: you know, our picks have been just absolutely out of
Speaker 4: this world. But if you look at the top right there,
Speaker 4: look at spice Racks prediction for the Bengals.
Speaker 3: Here, you've got a thirty three. This is an audio medium,
Speaker 3: a thirty three nothing victory for the last week. Keep backwards,
Speaker 3: say you keep saying you guys are on fire. It's tight,
Speaker 3: it's great. They list ten people that are predicting, and
Speaker 3: they put the top five in there. I guess they
Speaker 3: don't want to make anyone feel bad to point out
Speaker 3: who's six, seven, eight, nine, But.
Speaker 4: You're not in the top five, so well, no, totally
Speaker 4: acknowledge that. Actually we discussed this your text thread with Spice.
Speaker 4: It's like it's a comeback story. He was brought in
Speaker 4: during an era of you know, up and down. I
Speaker 4: would pick every week five over.
Speaker 3: He is the Chris Tabor to your Frank Reich. And
Speaker 3: you did, just to make it clare, I'm still in
Speaker 3: the organization, Just to make it clear, you did make
Speaker 3: one change to his picks last week, as I recall, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's been our only loss Brown, the only loss
Speaker 3: by that.
Speaker 6: So the date, a lot of the data is conflicting
Speaker 6: with the reality.
Speaker 4: Yes, and the producer I sent it to said that
Speaker 4: it's the most entertaining portion of his week because they're
Speaker 4: written on paper and he thinks great, thinks we've got
Speaker 4: great promise.
Speaker 6: That sounds entertaining someone.
Speaker 5: Well, Spice racks blowing up to me.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if I'm going to be getting personal
Speaker 2: texts about this, and it's in the show as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you were. You guys, at least you were outraged.
Speaker 6: You guys, at least do something in this competition.
Speaker 3: Get to the top five out of ten. It's only
Speaker 3: been pretty low bar three weeks, so pretty low bar.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: I love I love this. I love this segment, but
Speaker 2: it's got to sing with winners. You guys got to
Speaker 2: be winning.
Speaker 5: If we cracked top five, I'm allowed to text you
Speaker 5: with three what's up?
Speaker 6: Three?
Speaker 3: Top five?
Speaker 2: We get a bronze medal out of this top five text?
Speaker 2: All right, five out of ten? All right, let's take
Speaker 2: a break and then we will get into the draft.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back and yes, with the primetime
Speaker 2: games off our plate, let's move to the draft and
Speaker 2: it's time now for the first overall pick presented by
Speaker 2: Draft Things and Greggy, you are on the clock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am taking the game of the week, one
Speaker 3: of the most exciting games of the year. The forty
Speaker 3: nine ers fabang by three bang in Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: The Sharks get it. They understand what's going on.
Speaker 3: Kyle Sanahan says, I I don't understand that they actually
Speaker 3: asked them about it, because the players are all talking
Speaker 3: and Deebo Samuel saying James Baird Bradbury's trash. I like
Speaker 3: that we need a little more of that. That's just
Speaker 3: literally saying this guy's trash. There's like a lot of
Speaker 3: elements of that in this game. Like a pro bowler,
Speaker 3: you know, who's had made a lot of money in
Speaker 3: his career. James Bradbury said propreer, James, He's trash.
Speaker 2: It is funny how it shifts the vernacular through the
Speaker 2: years because when we were coming of age, it was.
Speaker 6: That guy sucks. Now it's like that guy's trash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh yeah, they were trash. They were bad.
Speaker 5: Trash. Is like I think I like it more. It's
Speaker 5: a little more for a little profane in retrospect, sucks.
Speaker 3: I agree my kids and young kids and I'm like,
Speaker 3: why is this allowed? In some other words are not.
Speaker 3: I'm worried about the Eagles in this game now. Maybe
Speaker 3: everyone's going to be on the forty nine ers, and
Speaker 3: when that happens and it's two good teams, that's usually
Speaker 3: a bad sign for the consensus, and the consensus will
Speaker 3: be on the forty nine ers. I am consensus, but
Speaker 3: it just feels like they've been tilting towards this loss
Speaker 3: for a while. And one thing I've been very focused
Speaker 3: on this year is the extra rest, and the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers got that four days of extra rest. Teams
Speaker 3: with extra rest, they overperform in terms of the spread
Speaker 3: and everything else exceptionally. It makes a really big difference.
Speaker 3: But on top of that, it's long been my corner
Speaker 3: when you have so many snaps the week before, and
Speaker 3: we know that the Eagles played in overtime, not only
Speaker 3: that with Rosenthal, not only that they were on the
Speaker 3: field that whole game. Defensively, I think it matters more
Speaker 3: for defense and offense. Ninety five snaps for the defensive
Speaker 3: backs of the Eagles. Ninety five that's like that's two games. Yeah,
Speaker 3: eighty plus for Reddick, seventy six for Jalen Carter career high,
Speaker 3: sixty two for Jordan Davis career high. They've had injuries there,
Speaker 3: Fletcher Cox's out of practice this week, still, Milton Williams.
Speaker 3: And on the other side, it's like the dbs for
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers played at sixty snaps. The defensive
Speaker 3: line have played thirty forty snaps last week. And you
Speaker 3: look at Nick Bosa and he's peaking right now eighteen
Speaker 3: pressures and Javon Hargrave, he's got the revenge game angle,
Speaker 3: and I just think up front, they're fresher and the
Speaker 3: game matters more to them, not just because they feel
Speaker 3: like they owe the Eagles one from a year ago,
Speaker 3: but because of where they are right now in the season,
Speaker 3: and I do think there's something that matters when that
Speaker 3: comes to it that the Eagles are going to be
Speaker 3: up for this game, of course, but they've just had
Speaker 3: a lot going on this season that I feel like
Speaker 3: right now the forty nine Ers are the better team
Speaker 3: and they're the fresher team.
Speaker 4: I think the snap count thing, like I would kind
Speaker 4: of shrug that off in September, it matters now. And
Speaker 4: they've been through a gauntlet, I mean, the Eagles, and
Speaker 4: it's like it feels like they've been like the game
Speaker 4: of the week week after week.
Speaker 5: And to me, though, they're like the.
Speaker 4: Reverse Bills because to sneak the win they did, it
Speaker 4: wasn't they to go win that game last week. It's
Speaker 4: not that you're playing with house money, but it's like
Speaker 4: you're just getting closer and closer to that totally important
Speaker 4: number one seed. It matters so much to me this
Speaker 4: games in Philly. But I also just look at the
Speaker 4: way that Eagles have won because they've been imperfect, and
Speaker 4: it's like, I'm kind of over this comparison between the
Speaker 4: two ten and one Eagles operations last year and this
Speaker 4: year because I kind of like what they're showing me.
Speaker 4: They've been out like there's something not to like. They've
Speaker 4: been out gained by ninety plus yards each of their
Speaker 4: last four wins. Yeah, they found a way to win
Speaker 4: those games. They've been five and oh when trailing at halftime.
Speaker 4: That speaks to me about who they are as a
Speaker 4: team and hurts his one five straight games when trailing
Speaker 4: by ten plus points.
Speaker 3: So I guess you're getting crazy.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 4: You're getting this version of the Niners, though, who are
Speaker 4: all healthy when they're operating.
Speaker 5: They're all healthy. It's like certain guys kind of can dissip.
Speaker 5: We saw, you know, Diebo was out for a bit.
Speaker 4: It's like he can disappear for a game and then
Speaker 4: Brandon Au blows up or George Kittle blows up.
Speaker 5: Eagles have a really good run defense.
Speaker 4: So if it's not a Christian McCaffrey All Stars showing,
Speaker 4: someone else is gonna do it. And I but I
Speaker 4: do trust the Eagles just to find their way if
Speaker 4: they get off to a slow start. They're the team
Speaker 4: I trust to get back into a game because we've
Speaker 4: seen it over and over.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean, they there's no deficit that takes them out
Speaker 5: of the game.
Speaker 6: Well, maybe this will be different this game.
Speaker 2: I think they've been living dangerously for weeks, as you're
Speaker 2: pointing out, and I just feel like this could be
Speaker 2: a bit of a maybe not a bad thing. Like
Speaker 2: if the Niners go into Philly and they play as
Speaker 2: well as we think they have a chance to play
Speaker 2: here and kind of spank the Eagles a little bit,
Speaker 2: it well, to me, it would be a thing that
Speaker 2: would be surprising, but it wouldn't be shocking. It would
Speaker 2: be kind of like, okay, like the Eagles have not
Speaker 2: been playing a top four but winning here comes an
Speaker 2: elite team that, by the way, needs this game if
Speaker 2: they have any chance of getting the number one seed
Speaker 2: in the NFC, and they know that, and Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 2: is pounding that into their heads. And they're also, by
Speaker 2: the way, very very upset the Niners about how last
Speaker 2: season ended.
Speaker 6: They're bitter about it, openly bitter. I would be too.
Speaker 6: They were a.
Speaker 2: Absolute freight train going into the NFC title game and
Speaker 2: then they lost all their quarterbacks, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: his son Reddick this week talked about that, and he's
Speaker 2: kind of sick of hearing that because he feels like
Speaker 2: the Niners are use that as a crutch.
Speaker 6: A little bit talk is cheap. You know, they get
Speaker 6: to come back in the lateth.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of boohoo's last year, a lot
Speaker 1: of crime, a lot of what if, a lot of this,
Speaker 1: a lot of that.
Speaker 6: They get a chance to come back in here improve
Speaker 6: it again.
Speaker 2: All right, Greg, I'm gonna hit you with one of
Speaker 2: your gregism's there. And that was by the way Sports
Speaker 2: Radio ninety four whip two things can be true. They
Speaker 2: could be boohoo and speaking out about how bum they
Speaker 2: were and they felt like they got robbed the Niners.
Speaker 2: And it could also be like the Eagles, like we
Speaker 2: don't care. We just played the team that was there
Speaker 2: and you shouldn't complain about it. So I like that
Speaker 2: there's a little more kind of bad blood there, you
Speaker 2: think potentially, and it's gonna be mark your boy Purdy.
Speaker 2: I think it's a big party game here in a
Speaker 2: big test and Greg like the Bills, as the Bills
Speaker 2: proved last week. I don't think there's any reason why
Speaker 2: Perdy can't eat a little bit here.
Speaker 3: I totally agree. You look at the matchups on the outside,
Speaker 3: these cornerbacks, I thought Bradbury had his best game of
Speaker 3: the season last week, by the way, so he's had
Speaker 3: a rough go, but Slay's playing a little better. But
Speaker 3: the cornerbacks have struggled the middle of the field of struggle,
Speaker 3: and Kyle Shanahan loves just circling those linebackers and eating
Speaker 3: them your food, your food, We're gonna, We're gonna, We're
Speaker 3: gonna eat you. With Kittle and Deebo and the two
Speaker 3: man game, and oh, by the way, Zach Cunningham's out
Speaker 3: of practice, they're already short to Kobe Dean. They might
Speaker 3: be gonna shack Lenardna No, although actually do it, I would.
Speaker 3: I don't. I like the Eagles too much to lock
Speaker 3: against him, but it's probably gonna be Christian Ellis and
Speaker 3: Nick Morrow and so I agree. I think it can
Speaker 3: be a big party game. He has played fantastic the
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks and on the other side, to me,
Speaker 3: I'd be the only reason I wouldn't lock. And I
Speaker 3: do think that the forty nine ers will win and
Speaker 3: cover is Hurts is there's something just special about him,
Speaker 3: and they're taking on the personality of Hurts and Davanta
Speaker 3: and aj Brown. That's where the weakness of this entire
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers roster is is at cornerback. And so
Speaker 3: if you told me they both go for one twenty
Speaker 3: five and this game's in the thirties and it's just
Speaker 3: whoever has the last ball wins, that would not shock me.
Speaker 6: I would.
Speaker 2: I would lock up the Niners in this game because
Speaker 2: I love I love them in this game. However, I'm
Speaker 2: like Mac Jones right now, like I'm not in the
Speaker 2: picks competition. I'm not good, but I'm not as bad
Speaker 2: as I look right now, but my confidence is shot,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna stay away.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Mac Jones is as bad as he
Speaker 3: looks at this point, but deep within your saying yes,
Speaker 3: deep with.
Speaker 4: It, I am going to do it, oh, because I'm
Speaker 4: so far out of this race, but I'm going the Niners.
Speaker 4: I just have a feeling like and it really everything
Speaker 4: I just said about the Eagles can still be true
Speaker 4: even if they get nipped in this game.
Speaker 6: I like this lock.
Speaker 5: I just think it's like, well, first of ball's for
Speaker 5: the show.
Speaker 3: Have they got to do it again?
Speaker 6: I love this lock.
Speaker 5: I don't know, come join me, you can come.
Speaker 2: To need this lock, and yet I must walk away
Speaker 2: from this lot. I'm Mac Jones throwing up moonballs on
Speaker 2: out routes right now because I just don't trust we'll
Speaker 2: see or feel.
Speaker 5: I like this over under of forty seven. I like
Speaker 5: my record here six and six.
Speaker 2: Five and seven. Wait, I'm behind seestok. I thought we
Speaker 2: were tired in both lost last two. What are we
Speaker 2: doing over there? What are you doing back there?
Speaker 3: I believe I like what you're doing. I believe the
Speaker 3: I like what you're doing over the graphics on this
Speaker 3: show made a mistake that was corrected by the Lock
Speaker 3: It Up website that all along Mark had been I
Speaker 3: believe up one.
Speaker 4: But uh okay, well that feels uncomfortable because we've formed
Speaker 4: a comfortable union in the past.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a plan that will probably get
Speaker 2: me even in the stand Mark, it was weird, Mark,
Speaker 2: just like huge pump, like yeah, third bit, well like
Speaker 2: the bottom pis so you know, taking a swipe at
Speaker 2: me in it and the Westling Brothers are just two
Speaker 2: games behind Greg. They're our only hope people.
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Speaker 2: All Right, second pick good? One second pick is me?
Speaker 2: You know, I was starting to panic because I was
Speaker 2: scanning down, was like, there's nothing here. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of thing here, but there is one game that again,
Speaker 2: another one a few weeks back, had what had no
Speaker 2: interest in, But I love it now. The Denver Broncos
Speaker 2: traveling to Houston to take on the Texans. I think
Speaker 2: that's also the most underrated announcing team for CBS. Iron Eagle,
Speaker 2: Charles Davis, our Buddy CD and Evan Washburn, who is
Speaker 2: money on the sideline and he's got that Patrick Bateman
Speaker 2: look where.
Speaker 5: It's just like good looking guy, got everything together. What's
Speaker 5: really going on?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm more than we know, aren't you often wondering
Speaker 3: like what's going on? More than we could imagine? Like hey,
Speaker 3: ceed He's like, hey, Evan, you want to go grab
Speaker 3: a beer? After No, I got some movies to return.
Speaker 3: I gotta go return by movies.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not insinuating that he's a serial killer, but
Speaker 2: he might have videotapes to return whenever you want to
Speaker 2: hang out with them, and then it becomes like.
Speaker 6: Well where is he going?
Speaker 2: Good observation Texans by three and a half in this one,
Speaker 2: here's a good observation.
Speaker 3: C J.
Speaker 6: Stroud is good. Tanked hell good?
Speaker 2: Whoa even in a loss, yea even in a loss
Speaker 2: last week against the Jags and a tough loss at that,
Speaker 2: they were flashing again. And it's just they've become now
Speaker 2: kind of appointment television in terms of you want to
Speaker 2: see how this continues it.
Speaker 5: And yet it's like the team that interests me more
Speaker 5: right now is the Denver Broncos. The Denver Broncos, a
Speaker 5: team that I had written off like the rest of us.
Speaker 5: I mean, we forked him and we're in a lot
Speaker 5: of trouble there. Greg's going to be opening up his
Speaker 5: check book again check tough sitch. But they have won
Speaker 5: five straight games, and now if they could eat the Texans,
Speaker 5: you know there's playoff ramifications. Here's big ones that puts
Speaker 5: them in the driver's seat for a wild card spot,
Speaker 5: and it puts the Texans in a tough spot would
Speaker 5: drop them down to five hundred.
Speaker 2: So will they keep it up in Greggy, I have
Speaker 2: to say you are, and I mean this sincerely, a
Speaker 2: gifted analyst. You're very good at this, and I think
Speaker 2: Greg performs a vital role of the show with his
Speaker 2: football acumen.
Speaker 3: Just your love of the game, your knowledge of the game,
Speaker 3: your passion for it. I like this, where are we
Speaker 3: going here? We giving me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I believe you have a dual blind spot in your
Speaker 2: analysis that's connected.
Speaker 6: There's connective tissue.
Speaker 2: It's Gino Smith right now and it's Russell Wilson because
Speaker 2: they are tied together for history. And I don't think
Speaker 2: I think you're kind of looking at Gino with rose
Speaker 2: colored glasses and you're kind of doing the opposite with Russ.
Speaker 3: You know who Nick Schuk has ranked higher in the
Speaker 3: QB and neck oo Geno Smith.
Speaker 2: Okay, but listen, Russ Wilson is playing a role here
Speaker 2: in this five game winning streak and making plays week
Speaker 2: after week with his legs, which is back in a
Speaker 2: part of his game, and making money throws.
Speaker 6: He is the best red zone.
Speaker 2: Quarterback in football this season, Greg, and every week he's
Speaker 2: making a big time throw.
Speaker 6: He is or three.
Speaker 3: He's extremely confusing. I'm with you because what about my
Speaker 3: general overall take? Well, I.
Speaker 5: All the compliment, great analysts.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was great. Yeah, I was double blind with that.
Speaker 5: You kind of walked to Greg into a trap there
Speaker 5: a little bit you.
Speaker 3: Did again, Buck has Geno higher. I think I'm seeing
Speaker 3: things with Gena this year. He's been fine. He hasn't
Speaker 3: really been much different. Russell Wilson, you might you might
Speaker 3: have a point. So I actually looked into it this
Speaker 3: week too because I was like, what am I missing here?
Speaker 3: Because when you look at his stats, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: His yards per attempt down significantly from last year. Right,
Speaker 3: yards per completion down significantly from last year. Different offend
Speaker 3: sack great, still sky high, still one of the highest
Speaker 3: in the league. Fumbles higher, actually again one of the
Speaker 3: highest in the leagues. So there are some downsides, but
Speaker 3: he leads the league an interception percentage in terms of
Speaker 3: preventing turnovers. In terms of the interception, he's been great
Speaker 3: inside the red zone. He's running better lately. The completion
Speaker 3: percentage is obviously up, and he's been money late in
Speaker 3: games when they've needed him to be.
Speaker 6: He's been a smart quarterback he really has.
Speaker 5: And eight touchdowns too, Yeah, they are a good team.
Speaker 2: Eight touchdowns, zero interceptions off the last in these last
Speaker 2: five games.
Speaker 6: Always.
Speaker 3: This game interests me though, because of you compare the
Speaker 3: two quarterbacks and it's like, I think they got to
Speaker 3: meet a little in the middle here. The Texans are
Speaker 3: asking CJ. Stroud to do more than whatever veteran thirteen
Speaker 3: year veteran Russell Wilson is being asked to do a Denver.
Speaker 3: Isn't that kind of crazy? Yeah, And I feel like
Speaker 3: Stroud is now maybe doing a little too much, and
Speaker 3: I think slowly they're asking Russell Wilson to do a
Speaker 3: little bit more. Last week, the running game was certainly
Speaker 3: part of it, and Sean Payton said that, but I
Speaker 3: think for them to get to where they want to go,
Speaker 3: he's got to be a little more dynamic. They got
Speaker 3: to have a little more throws down the field more consistently,
Speaker 3: and Stroud needs a little more help. So it's some
Speaker 3: some meeting in the middle. It is kind of crazy
Speaker 3: that Stroud is is a bigger part of their offense.
Speaker 6: WI here's the weird thing.
Speaker 5: Like Devin Singletary has really stepped up in these last
Speaker 5: few weeks and.
Speaker 3: He's got good while last but he's I mean, give
Speaker 3: me some consistency. They had a couple of big plays
Speaker 3: though last week as a receiver, but they rely zero
Speaker 3: running game from them last week between him and Pepe.
Speaker 2: But he's average one hundred and seventeen scrimmage George last
Speaker 2: three weeks.
Speaker 6: Now, the previous two weeks were bigger.
Speaker 2: But you're you know, you're saying beyond that and and Tank,
Speaker 2: they need somebody else to step up.
Speaker 3: I love defense. Defense, right.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question though, because, like I
Speaker 4: I have no problem with Stroud just winging it the
Speaker 4: way he has and throwing the ball as much, and
Speaker 4: like he's an MVP candidate, are you saying you want
Speaker 4: him used differently?
Speaker 5: Like the not using him in the passing?
Speaker 3: I mean more, you need a running game. They were
Speaker 3: got awful again last week, so that's most you know,
Speaker 3: they had those couple of good weeks, but their defense,
Speaker 3: you know, get him some turnovers like they've been getting
Speaker 3: for Russell Wilson, and last week especially, he kind of
Speaker 3: was doing the Aaron Rodgers did this something, you know,
Speaker 3: where he was just going back there and trying to
Speaker 3: make a play. There wasn't much in rhythm, which is
Speaker 3: part of what I liked about Stroud.
Speaker 6: That's all.
Speaker 4: It's so interesting, like in a sliding door situation where
Speaker 4: I thought like Nick Cassario's butt was on fire about
Speaker 4: a year ago, and it's like now no one talks
Speaker 4: about him because he picked the right quarterback and a
Speaker 4: bunch of other things worked out, and like he's faded
Speaker 4: into the distance as a at someone first and then
Speaker 4: like where we were with Russell Wilson a year ago,
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, I guess, like you know, Russell
Speaker 4: Wilson is kind of like a comeback Player of the
Speaker 4: Year candidate right now, just because of the how dark
Speaker 4: and how far away and how close it looked like
Speaker 4: his career was just over.
Speaker 5: To what we're seeing now.
Speaker 4: And also the Broncos in general going from like Sean
Speaker 4: Payton terrible zero Q rating to like, oh, Sean Payton,
Speaker 4: you know, eviscerated Nathaniel Hackett and now he's Carmack returns.
Speaker 5: He's won five straight games.
Speaker 6: We have fun with Russell Wilson. Do we have any
Speaker 6: Russ Wilson sound drops? We have fun? What does it
Speaker 6: say on that wall upstairs?
Speaker 5: Integrity?
Speaker 6: And he is kind of in some ways and I
Speaker 6: mean this, you know, Bronco's orange Let's ride. I don't
Speaker 6: mean this in a mean way.
Speaker 2: He's kind of a ridiculous person, okay, but he also
Speaker 2: his power of positivity and his utter belief and self
Speaker 2: and the idea of like sticking to a plan and
Speaker 2: all this stuff that led positive affirmation.
Speaker 6: All that stuff.
Speaker 2: I think that Russ Wilson has helped him flush last year,
Speaker 2: where some other quarterbacks like got Mac Jones for instance,
Speaker 2: although circumstances but still like can be ruined by a
Speaker 2: year as bad as last year was. I think his
Speaker 2: kind of mentality helped him move away from that at
Speaker 2: a time where not only was he coming off his
Speaker 2: worst year and become kind of a punchline, it was
Speaker 2: a new head coach who immediately brought in a new
Speaker 2: backup quarterback in this general vibe that he was a
Speaker 2: dead man walking on this team.
Speaker 6: He feels pretty entrenched now with Sean Page.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't like I mean, the Russell Wilson experience
Speaker 4: is absolutely not for everyone, and it's and there's things
Speaker 4: he says that feel kind of like disconnected from reality.
Speaker 4: He is a religious person and he talked literally this
Speaker 4: past week about having this like self reflection where he
Speaker 4: wondered if his career was over and kind of asking,
Speaker 4: like the universe, why.
Speaker 5: Are you talking footsteps on the beach? Are we talking
Speaker 5: footeps in the middle? Footsteps on the beach situation that
Speaker 5: comes up once every eight months of this year. It
Speaker 5: is not unlike that two foot steps, the one set
Speaker 5: of footsteps and now the two again, like why did
Speaker 5: you abandon me? It's like, no, Aaron, you over my
Speaker 5: shoulder right there.
Speaker 3: Bro, I'm just saying he's going to be a little better,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm with you, but like you think you
Speaker 3: think I'm biased, and you're saying comeback player of the Year,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm saying, can check some some stats here,
Speaker 3: Like I think he has gotten better the last couple weeks.
Speaker 3: QBR sixteenth, right between Dobbs and Baker Mayfield PFF sixteenth,
Speaker 3: one spot below Gino.
Speaker 5: Like, but your butter knife and Greg, You're you're ignoring
Speaker 5: other stats.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But I'm saying those those are ones that I
Speaker 3: trust more than like passer rating and stuff. My point
Speaker 3: is he's been a perfectly average starting quarterback. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna go so crazy that one of the highest paid
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the league with a great head coach is average.
Speaker 3: It's been a big upgrade Old Good. It's gonna give
Speaker 3: him a chance, and he's been getting better.
Speaker 4: I think like there's a different argument between like Russell
Speaker 4: Wilson from various metrics is a great quarterback. I don't
Speaker 4: think anyone's saying that, but the comeback player of the
Speaker 4: Year is just simply narrative to Good.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jamar Hamilon still deserves it, but if they
Speaker 2: don't give it to tomorrow, I think Russ and if
Speaker 2: Greg's gonna throw it us out, I'll throw out one more.
Speaker 2: Russ Wilson in the red zone this year seventeen touchdowns,
Speaker 2: zero interceptions in that offense, and with the way that
Speaker 2: defense playing and how opportunistic they are, that's a good
Speaker 2: stat too, Gregy.
Speaker 3: It's an overrated one. They always tried out as red
Speaker 3: zone stats because it's like everyone's stats in the red
Speaker 3: zone they're amazing. It's true, all right, Next, Mark is
Speaker 3: the anti Derek Carr. I'll give you that.
Speaker 2: I would say, check out Derek carrs or any Jets
Speaker 2: quarterback in the last thirty years. Not everyone has good
Speaker 2: red zone stats, all right, go ahead. All right, Uh, Mark,
Speaker 2: I'm taking my late game Browns at Rams. I think
Speaker 2: this is a major turning point for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2: What I saw last week against those Broncos was concerning
Speaker 2: on multiple levels.
Speaker 3: But now it's could like the weirdness of this team
Speaker 3: has gotten so much weirder because you can't bury the lead.
Speaker 4: Like Joe Flacco is going to be starting for the
Speaker 4: Browns here in Los Angeles. Again, if they announce it,
Speaker 4: well he's taken, unless you know, DTR suddenly overcomes what
Speaker 4: looked like a gnarly head injury.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you're gonna rush him back into
Speaker 5: the lineup on the road.
Speaker 3: Uh, yes, the path the concussion tests, taking all the
Speaker 3: snaps in practice. So I'm going with the fact that
Speaker 3: it's going to be Flacco, and you know, Stefanski still
Speaker 3: said the DTR is the starter.
Speaker 5: Ultimately we'll see about that.
Speaker 4: It shows last week. Actually, no, I think you did too.
Speaker 4: Actually like their quarterback play when PJ. Walker came in.
Speaker 4: Everything fell apart completely. But I just think the Browns
Speaker 4: that it can you know, lean so hard on this defense.
Speaker 4: They gave up one hundred and sixty nine yards on
Speaker 4: the ground to Denver one hundred and seventy two on
Speaker 4: the on the ground of Pittsburgh one hundred plus to
Speaker 4: Baltimore in the last three weeks.
Speaker 5: So that part of their defense has been problematic.
Speaker 4: And I think one of the stories of the NFC,
Speaker 4: and one of the reasons the Rams scare me down
Speaker 4: the stretch as if not a playoff hopeful chance, but
Speaker 4: a berserker type team, is Kiren Williams is running the
Speaker 4: ball like about as well as anyone the league. Is
Speaker 4: three hundred and one yards over the task last two games.
Speaker 4: You know there was no injury in between that. At
Speaker 4: eight point three yards per carry, He's like an electric,
Speaker 4: big play runner who completely changes this offense and makes
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford all the more dangerous. So I think this
Speaker 4: is a real challenge for Cleveland, especially when it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett avoided a terrible injury, but I don't know
Speaker 4: what Latin means in terms of his overall health. He
Speaker 4: couldn't even lift his army we could go. So we'll
Speaker 4: see if you're gonna get that version of Miles Garrett.
Speaker 5: I think you're selling the Rams short if you're saying
Speaker 5: they're more a berserker. To you, they're one game out
Speaker 5: of a playoff spot. I think they can.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 5: It just gets some munchy.
Speaker 6: I think absolutely they could be playing.
Speaker 4: I don't see them as like a oh that looks
Speaker 4: like a playoff team to me. Quarter after quarters they're
Speaker 4: in the race. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: They have hit on something with this run game though,
Speaker 3: And that's why this I love. I love December football,
Speaker 3: December to remember we're getting there, December dream because all
Speaker 3: because these stories, these personalities that we've have been building
Speaker 3: for three months, they do have games like this where
Speaker 3: the rubber meets the road. I don't. I think the
Speaker 3: Browns can and very well might lose this game. They're
Speaker 3: three and a half point underdogs. I would pick the Rams,
Speaker 3: but neither would surprise me. I think they can survive
Speaker 3: a loss here and they'll still be in the mix.
Speaker 3: But the whole idea of this Browns defense is a
Speaker 3: truly special group. And then this Rams offense and especially
Speaker 3: their running game, building something really interesting. Our friend Nate
Speaker 3: Tice has tweeted a lot about this, and our friend
Speaker 3: Jordan Rodrieg has been writing about this that these Rams
Speaker 3: duo runs, and a duo run is basically like a
Speaker 3: power scheme, you're you're double teaming, you're running with the
Speaker 3: tight end on the field. They're doing it in some
Speaker 3: creative ways that they're blocking with the wide receivers and
Speaker 3: the tight end, but it's ultimately power, straight ahead type
Speaker 3: of football with some ingredients mixed in. And it's interesting
Speaker 3: to think back to what made Sean McVay Sean McVay,
Speaker 3: and it was the opposite. It was zone and it
Speaker 3: was it was the coordination between the offense line. But
Speaker 3: the way the NFL is now with all these light
Speaker 3: boxes and the Browns are kind of part of that,
Speaker 3: it's like, hey, how about we just smash you? And
Speaker 3: the Rams have been pretty good and pretty creative about that,
Speaker 3: and so it's a nice little clash here and I
Speaker 3: kind of think the Rams have a good chance to
Speaker 3: run the ball on them.
Speaker 4: I will say Jeremiah Wosacormo last week played one of
Speaker 4: the best games I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: So good.
Speaker 4: He's just fun to watch and he like is a
Speaker 4: star who then seems to disappear in that defense sometimes
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 5: But on the flip side, and we were talking about
Speaker 5: the stand.
Speaker 4: Like I've argued to you about Dave and Najoku at
Speaker 4: times like I found what what happened last week when
Speaker 4: you needed to support two young quarterbacks like the drops
Speaker 4: and the dry It wasn't just him, it was the
Speaker 4: rest of that Oh he had a red, but he
Speaker 4: he just did like the worst version of Dave and Nadjoku.
Speaker 4: When that happens, it's really frustrating. Like a lot of
Speaker 4: Browns fans kind of joke about the fact that there's
Speaker 4: all these clips of him, like catching balls and with
Speaker 4: no shirt on, like and you know, off the jugs machine,
Speaker 4: and like he looks like a perfect athlete.
Speaker 5: But then it's like, you got to make these plays.
Speaker 5: You want to be a star tight end.
Speaker 3: They need him because they just don't have enough weapons.
Speaker 6: There's nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing more frustrating than watching your team that has,
Speaker 2: you know, a backup quarterback and the guy struggling just
Speaker 2: to complete basic passes and when he finally puts one
Speaker 2: on the money, you're not making catches. And he dropped
Speaker 2: an end zone ball that was the other tight end
Speaker 2: picked him up later in that drive, but then had
Speaker 2: another big drop over the middle. And in general, they
Speaker 2: need these guys need to help out the quarterbacks, and
Speaker 2: you know, the Flacco side of things is just like
Speaker 2: it's coming, It's happening, and it's gonna be wild to watch.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna set the over on two and a
Speaker 2: half fumbles on Sunday for Flacco.
Speaker 5: And that's what a stone age pony does.
Speaker 2: And maybe he'll be able to He'll if he gets protection,
Speaker 2: he'll be able to spin a couple deep and maybe
Speaker 2: they hit on something. It's it's It says a lot
Speaker 2: about the state of the Browns and the desperation that
Speaker 2: like last year in New York, turning to Joe Flacco
Speaker 2: in two thousand and two twenty three is the right
Speaker 2: move because they need something to spark them more.
Speaker 3: And I guess I don't see it as much with
Speaker 3: dtr I know, I thought he had a nice game.
Speaker 3: He made some nice thrown see.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the PJ Walker does nothing for me. So
Speaker 2: give give Flacco a shot here and see if he
Speaker 2: can you can get lightning about.
Speaker 3: He will be their fourth starter this year. Man, I
Speaker 3: wish I could find the step. I think it's the
Speaker 3: first team in six or seven something like that years.
Speaker 3: I believe it was a Panthers team that last started
Speaker 3: four starting quarterback. So it's pretty pretty rare you have
Speaker 3: four starters.
Speaker 4: In a season, and it's about the weirdest quarterback you
Speaker 4: could imagine in a Brown's helmet.
Speaker 5: So I just, you know, visually, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I'm strange. By the way, that was, the Browns are
Speaker 6: your first pick this week?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah?
Speaker 6: Have you cal ripkins?
Speaker 3: By the way, they're over in Westwood practicing all week.
Speaker 3: They're in LA the Browns. You everythink, just no, he's not,
Speaker 3: he's not.
Speaker 6: Remember he's not.
Speaker 3: But you're just a fan of football. You could go,
Speaker 3: I don't know what am I allowed to go watch them?
Speaker 3: I don't know what the security is like over there.
Speaker 3: You could get in abubble press bet now they're outside
Speaker 3: it's beautiful, sure, or just show up. Maybe fans can
Speaker 3: show up there. I don't know how it works. Well,
Speaker 3: but he's not a fan, right well as a credential,
Speaker 3: just as a reporter, as a reporter, yeafessional. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: they're they're at in UCLA all week. I just find
Speaker 3: that interesting.
Speaker 5: That's a hops given a jump, take a look. All right,
Speaker 5: you're up again.
Speaker 4: Mark, I'm going to take the Lions coming off a
Speaker 4: grizzly Thanksgiving Day against the Saints, who are a weird team.
Speaker 4: I guess I kind of want to just see what
Speaker 4: this Lions team coming off of, you know, nine plus
Speaker 4: days of rest, which I think matters how they recover.
Speaker 2: I mean, good reset for them too, after you know
Speaker 2: the grim nature of that game and even the week
Speaker 2: before where they just survived against Chicago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we need to.
Speaker 4: I think if you're a Lions fan, you want to
Speaker 4: see Jared Goff return to the version of Jared Goff
Speaker 4: that we had seen for so long. I have confidence
Speaker 4: that can happen, but he's had two really ugly performances
Speaker 4: in a row. I kind of d to feel like,
Speaker 4: in general, the Lions have these things. When I was
Speaker 4: watching the Packers game, it's like, Oh, this is what
Speaker 4: they're playoff. They're going to win a playoff game, and
Speaker 4: then they're gonna lose one and the loss is going
Speaker 4: to look like this one where they just get kind
Speaker 4: of thrashed, and it's like the secondary is a fatal flaw.
Speaker 4: You know, Aiden Hutchinson is, you know, brilliant, but there's
Speaker 4: not a great pass rush here this you know, their
Speaker 4: offensive line, I thought got controlled by Green Bay a
Speaker 4: week ago.
Speaker 5: That's the problem. Is Aada Hutchinson brilliant? Also, I think
Speaker 5: that's part of the issue too.
Speaker 6: He's not.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm not saying that he's a mathematician.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you know, I mean, like he's not
Speaker 3: a brilliant football player. I don't know how good play.
Speaker 4: I think he's cracking to be a pretty huge difference maker.
Speaker 3: I mean, like a pro bowler. It's a successful maybe
Speaker 3: maybe not, though there's so many good edge players. It's
Speaker 3: it's a fair point. I don't know.
Speaker 2: He makes sometimes basically than you can see, he disappeared
Speaker 2: and then he's a very good player.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, you said brilliant.
Speaker 3: Aaron Donaldson told me that he has a similar career
Speaker 3: in some ways to Jdevian Clowney, where it's a lot
Speaker 3: of pressure, like borderline pro bowler, but maybe not like
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett.
Speaker 5: I get it, Myles Garrettrillian.
Speaker 4: We call these coaches brilliant all the time, and they're
Speaker 4: not brilliant either, So I don't it's in football that
Speaker 4: we're I'm.
Speaker 5: Not talking about intellect, right, I'm talking about like I thought,
Speaker 5: you meant brilliant as a brilliant act. I did, but
Speaker 5: I couldn't regret using that word anymore.
Speaker 6: At this point, we.
Speaker 2: Should have mentioned Garrett by the way, we got to
Speaker 2: see how he looks. He did, I did, Okay, good
Speaker 2: go on.
Speaker 6: I never said that.
Speaker 5: Any other corrections or issues at this point.
Speaker 6: Uh no, move forward. I just say Craig like, that's.
Speaker 3: Fourth in pressures them on edges in sixth and grade.
Speaker 3: By pfs, that's pretty pretty good, very good Saints, very
Speaker 3: banged up.
Speaker 4: Like and Derek Carr like the last three time passes
Speaker 4: have not come from Derek Carr. Like, I don't know
Speaker 4: what's gone with Derek Carr, but like from a lot
Speaker 4: of different ends, Saints fans are not thrilling Saints fans.
Speaker 2: I'm happy with Derek Carr. Let's throw it to Greg
Speaker 2: ah Well that they hate him.
Speaker 3: The media apparently is because they were asking him and
Speaker 3: about his red zone woes, and he's like, I could
Speaker 3: tell you what we're doing, but I'm not going to
Speaker 3: answer that question. It's just getting a little ted. I
Speaker 3: knew it was.
Speaker 2: That's so bored of the Derek Carr hate. There's so
Speaker 2: much more to not like about this team beyond derekkar.
Speaker 3: But to your red zone point. Over the last two seasons,
Speaker 3: fifteen for fifty two on passes from ten are closer.
Speaker 3: Next worst among that's twenty eight percent. Next worst among
Speaker 3: thirty five players with twenty attempts is Matt Ryan uh
Speaker 3: Now working with CBA ten percent better retired guy than
Speaker 3: Derek Carr.
Speaker 6: So they fired and retired.
Speaker 3: There is something there there. Twenty ninth. It's just it's
Speaker 3: just bad. And and I'm with you, there's so much
Speaker 3: more to not to like about the Saints, And I
Speaker 3: start with their coach and their and their defense. And
Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's done for a team when
Speaker 3: the thing that's supposed to be their core thing is
Speaker 3: no longer their core thing. And for the Saints for
Speaker 3: for so long under a dentistul it's like, oh, we
Speaker 3: got to keep this guy, keep this defense together. It
Speaker 3: was their defense in general, and it was a run defense,
Speaker 3: especially elite year after year. Last five weeks, one sixty
Speaker 3: four are allowed, one fifty six, twenty eighth. Sorry you're
Speaker 3: going up again, big Lions team who can mass you
Speaker 3: on the ground. It's gonna be a long day in
Speaker 3: the Superdome. I'm locking it off me too. Oh no,
Speaker 3: don't put that on me.
Speaker 6: Give me a double, give it me right in the
Speaker 6: rust train. Let's go, Greg. I will follow him, follow him.
Speaker 3: You're right, and I almost never. I don't know when
Speaker 3: the last. I never take road teams either. And I'm
Speaker 3: taking like a little here.
Speaker 5: Like a little brother, just trailing behind the big brother.
Speaker 5: No matter where he goes. You can move off this game,
Speaker 5: Greg can go to another game. Oh yes, I will
Speaker 5: follow him, follow him wherever he may.
Speaker 3: Gones are favored by four in this game. By the way,
Speaker 3: it sounds about right. I don't think that's crazy, but
Speaker 3: oh yeah, we got this Greg, me and you. It
Speaker 3: would be if they don't have Shaheed and olave and
Speaker 3: o'lavey was practicing yet concussion. But he was practicing, so
Speaker 3: I think there's a chance he gets a decent chance, Michael,
Speaker 3: see total confidence now. But it's a bad week not
Speaker 3: to have Shaheed here, because I do think Carb made
Speaker 3: a lot of nice throws last week too. They're not
Speaker 3: like the worst offense they could put up.
Speaker 6: That's what I was trying to tell you guys on Cyber.
Speaker 3: Putting up a lot of points on the Lions. So
Speaker 3: is if the Lions trail in this game twenty to ten,
Speaker 3: I don't want any texts from you, Dan saying why
Speaker 3: did you did this? I am even when the Lions
Speaker 3: are traveling twenty to ten, I have confidence they will
Speaker 3: win thirty seven to thirty one.
Speaker 6: I just driving the car. That's my vision.
Speaker 2: Daddy, You're driving the car, that's right, and I'm in
Speaker 2: the back seat and we are just cruising to another
Speaker 2: w Yes, That's why I was like pulling my hair
Speaker 2: out on Sunday watching the Saints because Car threw for
Speaker 2: three hundred.
Speaker 6: Empty yards and they were moving the ball so well.
Speaker 3: Between the twenties, Kamara is playing as well as he's
Speaker 3: playing in about three years.
Speaker 6: He's wit how is that possible? Greg?
Speaker 2: That none of it is greatest though, he's like the
Speaker 2: greatest red zone running back in the league inside the
Speaker 2: ten certainly, and they can't find a way to block
Speaker 2: up front for him or get the ball in his
Speaker 2: hands in space. And that's when I start to think, Okay,
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, he's not the guy long term for them.
Speaker 2: But how about Carmichael and the offensive scheme? Like why
Speaker 2: are they not making the most. I've got them talented
Speaker 2: the least.
Speaker 3: Greg answer, I can give you which and it's the
Speaker 3: reason why I feel so good locking this game up.
Speaker 1: Es.
Speaker 3: These are vibes.
Speaker 6: Vibes.
Speaker 3: These are the two opposite vibes teams. Saints have the
Speaker 3: worst among the worst vibes in the NFL, the Lions
Speaker 3: coming off a loss of the best vibes.
Speaker 4: Oh, this is going This will create one of the
Speaker 4: more annoying Sunday.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's some plus.
Speaker 6: Now, all right, let's uh move on.
Speaker 2: It is my turn and I will grab Oh yes,
Speaker 2: I will take the Atlanta Falcons. Let's grab another South
Speaker 2: team heading to the Meadowlands to face the Jets. It's
Speaker 2: a two and a half. Oh my god, you know
Speaker 2: how how much things have changed. Desmond Riders is the
Speaker 2: quarterback of the Falcons. He's going to New Jersey to
Speaker 2: play a Jets defense that has faltered of late, but
Speaker 2: as a couple of weeks ago seen as one of
Speaker 2: the best in the league. And it's the Falcons favored
Speaker 2: by two and a half points. And the over under here,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine there's a lower over under and six
Speaker 2: is not thirty three and a half over under in
Speaker 2: this game, so you know we're gonna see I think
Speaker 2: I think Desmond Ridder. Listen, am I gonna come out
Speaker 2: here and say now that the Aaron Rodgers been cleared
Speaker 2: to practice and he's back on the field, and he's
Speaker 2: still targeting Christmas Eve as a return. As a Jets fan,
Speaker 2: you know it's a bad idea everything about it, but
Speaker 2: you can't help it. Suck yourself in and be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: if we could just stop the bleeding against a mediocre
Speaker 2: Falcons team with a bad quarterback, maybe we could kind
Speaker 2: of just hang around at least get to mid December,
Speaker 2: and then it becomes a possibility that Rogers saves the day.
Speaker 6: All silly talk, but this is what you do as
Speaker 6: a fan.
Speaker 2: You kind of talk yourself into things, and it starts
Speaker 2: here because I do think that this sets up well
Speaker 2: for the Jets pass rush and their secondary to force
Speaker 2: turnovers and give the offense its only chance, which is
Speaker 2: short fields or even a defensive score, which they got
Speaker 2: against the Dolphins and it still didn't matter. So that
Speaker 2: is the path to victory for the Jets, is that
Speaker 2: it's been all season, is the defense saving the day.
Speaker 2: But I think against this opponent, they have a better
Speaker 2: chance at it actually occurring.
Speaker 4: They're you know, often glowed about defense for you know,
Speaker 4: some proper reasons you can run on them, like they're
Speaker 4: only one other team is allowing more yards on the grounds,
Speaker 4: you know, game Some of that is like I guess
Speaker 4: the game script because you know, a lot of killing
Speaker 4: the clock, and that makes sense. But it's still it's like,
Speaker 4: this isn't a Falcons team that finally, you know, last
Speaker 4: week they ran for two hundred and twenty eight yards.
Speaker 4: It kind of looked like what we thought they wanted
Speaker 4: to do. It wasn't having Desmond Ritter throw the ball
Speaker 4: forty seven.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's it. Maybe it doesn't throw up more than
Speaker 5: fifteen times.
Speaker 4: Scott's you're probably your recipe to sneak into the playoffs
Speaker 4: as a certainly doomed operation. But I feel like this
Speaker 4: Jets team, and it's like they're so close to probably
Speaker 4: just fracturing psychologically. But they're gonna need like two or
Speaker 4: three special things to happen that generate points from somewhere
Speaker 4: other than your offense to win these games. To have
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers even relevant, I don't even I don't understand
Speaker 4: why he would come. I don't want a guy, forty
Speaker 4: year old guy coming off like a quick recovery from
Speaker 4: an achilles playing games in late December.
Speaker 5: But that's that's their decision.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna get there.
Speaker 6: It's not their decision.
Speaker 5: Well, it's they're all It's all happened, is that vision?
Speaker 2: And and that's where you get frustrated as a fan.
Speaker 2: And why is the Jet Jets ven? You're just it's
Speaker 2: messing with your mind because you know he shouldn't be
Speaker 2: doing it, and you know, and Packers fans like Big
Speaker 2: Funk behind the Glass know this. That Rogers is doing
Speaker 2: it in a way that I think you could frame
Speaker 2: it as Rogers is doing it to show that Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers did.
Speaker 5: This not necessarily hundred perceived the Jets.
Speaker 2: And if he could do both at the same time, great,
Speaker 2: But if you could at least check the boxer being
Speaker 2: the guy that had the fastest return ever from an achilles,
Speaker 2: I think that matters a lot in the world of
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: Sure, but they'd have to win two out of three minimum.
Speaker 3: I guess they would have to win two out of three,
Speaker 3: is how I would put it. If he was trying
Speaker 3: to get back.
Speaker 2: For right and in fairness on McAfee, which we can't
Speaker 2: play the clips too because it's not allowed unless you
Speaker 2: pay a fee. He said that he walked back a
Speaker 2: little bit and said, my return to the field this
Speaker 2: season is going to be connected to the Jets. Is
Speaker 2: a bill right to stay in the mix here and
Speaker 2: if they don't win this game, you're kind.
Speaker 4: Of fold On the schedule is it's Falcons, Texans, Dolphins, right.
Speaker 3: So this is their easiest and I think two and
Speaker 3: a half is I would I would give away the
Speaker 3: two and a half and I would take the Falcons
Speaker 3: because vibes. Again, not that the Falcons have good fights,
Speaker 3: but the Jets ones are rough, and I just don't
Speaker 3: trust in the offense. And I guess it's like, what
Speaker 3: do you trust what you saw the last couple of
Speaker 3: weeks or over the breadth of the season. If you
Speaker 3: trust the breath of the season, the Falcons are a
Speaker 3: total mess And this is pretty winnable. That game last week,
Speaker 3: and granted it was against the Saints, was enough for
Speaker 3: me to be like they reset, they had a bye week.
Speaker 3: The offensive line looked really cohesive. Caleb McGarry, who struggled
Speaker 3: this season, and Chris Linstrom and that O line, which
Speaker 3: had great continuity. Man, they were blowing open holes and
Speaker 3: they're running for two twenty eight And that was the Falcons.
Speaker 3: I expected you kind of just mentioned that. And is
Speaker 3: that enough to beat the Jets. I think it is.
Speaker 3: But it's the Falcon.
Speaker 2: I watched that game five last Sunday, and the thing
Speaker 2: about them, and that's why Arthur Smith is going to
Speaker 2: lose all his hair by the end of the season.
Speaker 6: Even in that there were still these just dreadful ridder
Speaker 6: I get it.
Speaker 3: I watched that.
Speaker 5: It's gonna happen every single week with him.
Speaker 4: He'll make like the best throw he's made all season,
Speaker 4: and then a disastrous throw that leaves the Falcons in
Speaker 4: a dark corner.
Speaker 3: They protected him well again, and that's the matchup too.
Speaker 3: But if they're lying their offensive line can play well,
Speaker 3: I think they can win the division.
Speaker 5: He'll give the game, We'll give the Jets a chance
Speaker 5: to win the game.
Speaker 2: Now, whether or not this version of the Jets can
Speaker 2: take advantage of those opportunities, I am dubious, but as
Speaker 2: a fan, I can always hope. All right, let's take
Speaker 2: a break and then when we get back. Uh, Greggy,
Speaker 2: all right, we are back housekeeping items before we get
Speaker 2: back to the draft, and Greg is panicking over there
Speaker 2: trying to figure out his next two games.
Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 3: not his first start ever, but last season.
Speaker 4: So I brought him back on for a little good loves.
Speaker 4: This will to be a vibrant to debate as your
Speaker 4: arm in arm, like you know, fawning over to.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they're probably not gonna win, or just
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Speaker 3: I'm worried.
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Speaker 6: Also? Arrest Warren.
Speaker 2: This is a serious news. Arrest Warren has been issued
Speaker 2: in Dallas for Bill's Edge von Miller for allegedly, and
Speaker 2: this is no way, assaulting a pregnant woman. The Dallas
Speaker 2: Police Department confirmed the warrant on Thursday, which was initially
Speaker 2: reported by w FAA in Dallas Wednesday at eleven am,
Speaker 2: Dallas Police responded to a major disturbance.
Speaker 6: That's a third degree felony.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you are charged with assaulting a
Speaker 2: pregnant woman, and that's very, very bad.
Speaker 6: So obviously the case has to play out.
Speaker 2: But we don't know what this means in terms of
Speaker 2: von Miller's future with the Bills or whether he could
Speaker 2: end up be placed on leave and he's had a
Speaker 2: disappointing season, so from a team standpoint, I don't know
Speaker 2: how much just hurts the Bills. But obviously Miller is
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame level player with a high level
Speaker 2: of notoriety, and this is not the first time he's
Speaker 2: been connected to the domestic violence, it should be stated.
Speaker 6: So keep an eye on that story.
Speaker 3: I will move on by taking the next pick.
Speaker 6: Here, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I do not want to watch the Patriots live, so
Speaker 3: I'm gonna avoid them and take the Cardinals. I think
Speaker 3: I've had them three straight weeks since Kyler's gone back
Speaker 3: at the Steelers. The Steelers are five and a half
Speaker 3: point favorites. Okay, makes sense to me. I talked on
Speaker 3: our Wednesday show what matters. I believe this Pittsburgh offensive
Speaker 3: renaissance matters, and so I'm going to keep an eye
Speaker 3: on that good running game, even back since before Matt
Speaker 3: Canada was fired and last week, if they really are
Speaker 3: getting better in terms of throwing the ball, and I
Speaker 3: thought that was Kenny Pickett's best game of the year
Speaker 3: by far. I mean that's question. Some real throws, nice
Speaker 3: throws to the outside. Friar Ruth being back is important.
Speaker 3: He was great, really good player.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's very good.
Speaker 2: Officials blew a call. He should have had a touchdown
Speaker 2: pass the Johnson I believe it.
Speaker 3: Right, and Tomlin should have challenged that too, So Pickett
Speaker 3: would have had that touchdown. Fire ruth like faster than
Speaker 3: I remember. Maybe he's always been fast, but really adds
Speaker 3: a dynamic to their offense that I think they need.
Speaker 3: And they're going up against the Cardinals defense, which has
Speaker 3: never been good this season and seems to be collapsing
Speaker 3: further each and every week with injuries. And so if
Speaker 3: they are the Steelers that I kind of think they
Speaker 3: could be down the stretch put up another four hundred
Speaker 3: yards with Warren and Nase running all over the place
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I didn't look at the Bengals defense as
Speaker 4: it was a nice event for Pittsburgh. It wasn't an
Speaker 4: acid test, nor will this be in terms of where
Speaker 4: their offense really is. Like the Cardinals sitting dead last
Speaker 4: in EPA against the pass and thirtieth against the run,
Speaker 4: I think that bolds well. I mean one thing that
Speaker 4: I thought Picket last week had six completions of fifteen
Speaker 4: plus yards and it looked like it. And before that
Speaker 4: he was last in the league in throws of that
Speaker 4: nature per game, and so that that has been missing
Speaker 4: and Friarmouth like seems to kind of just be the glue.
Speaker 4: There's a couple tight ends like that. Other teams don't
Speaker 4: really feature it the same way. Like he really really
Speaker 4: helped open up the middle of the field.
Speaker 5: And I'm with you. I think he's an emerging player.
Speaker 4: He was PFF's fifth highest rated football player week ago.
Speaker 2: And he might be you know, pick it might be
Speaker 2: like Josh Dobbs as an example, one of those quarterbacks
Speaker 2: that just loves their tight ends and if they can
Speaker 2: continue to build in the chemistry, and then he could
Speaker 2: sprinkle in the wide receivers which are high quality. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there there's potential here that are coming off that season
Speaker 2: high four hundred and twenty one total yards. I will
Speaker 2: just a little bit push back on they did score
Speaker 2: sixteen points off those four Yeah, that's true, and the
Speaker 2: week before they won a game and I think it
Speaker 2: was thirteen points. So this is still not a team
Speaker 2: that's finding a way to pile up points. However, I
Speaker 2: think in this matchup, you won't need more than let's
Speaker 2: say seventeen points.
Speaker 6: So I think it really sets up well for another win.
Speaker 2: The bummer about the Kyler thing, Greg to me has
Speaker 2: been Kyler Murray's back, and that's fun, and he does
Speaker 2: have that highlight play every week still, but they still
Speaker 2: they're still kind of like the same team with those
Speaker 2: juice and they're just like a team that exists but
Speaker 2: not really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's played solid. He's definitely an upgrade
Speaker 3: from Dobbs, I think overall. But it's it's only so much.
Speaker 3: I've been struggling with what more to say about this
Speaker 3: Cardinals team, but I found something. Okay, They're getting a
Speaker 3: lot of production and a lot of play from a
Speaker 3: very solid rookie class, so that is something they should
Speaker 3: be happy about. Paris Johnson playing at tackle been solid,
Speaker 3: Ojulari pass rusher solid, Garrett Williams quite good for a
Speaker 3: third round cornerback, and Michael Wilson, when he's been healthy,
Speaker 3: has been nice at receivers. So their first four picks
Speaker 3: under this new regime, they don't feel like home runs,
Speaker 3: but they all feel like singles and doubles guys who
Speaker 3: will be starting in the end those two. That's positive.
Speaker 3: That is a big change for four players that like Okay,
Speaker 3: those guys will be starting next year.
Speaker 5: They've got right now the number two pick.
Speaker 4: They've got another first round pick and a flock of
Speaker 4: other picks as well, so don't trust them all.
Speaker 3: Right back to me, I'm gonna take the Dolphins fun
Speaker 3: watch every week. Favored by nine and a half in Washington.
Speaker 3: The Commandos getting no respect anymore, and I get it.
Speaker 3: But as four and eight teams, that was.
Speaker 5: A tough Thanksgiving for the old Commandos.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 3: It was rough, you know, it was a weird game.
Speaker 3: They were like even in total yards halfway through the
Speaker 3: third quarter, and I was like, they're not. Then they
Speaker 3: were quite as bad as I get. The score looked,
Speaker 3: and then it got even worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 3: As four and eight teams go, they're watchable. They're one
Speaker 3: of the only two teams in the NFL, along with
Speaker 3: the Cardinals, who haven't had a buy yet. And so
Speaker 3: the buye schedule will end next week with a bang.
Speaker 3: Commanders and Cardinals say goodbye to them for a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks or forever that that would be fine. They
Speaker 3: just stayed on their by I wouldn't mind that Miami
Speaker 3: was asked this week Mike McDaniel, like, are you gonna
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do to improve the short yarded situation?
Speaker 3: He did say like he wants to run the ball
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Moster, it's having such a nice
Speaker 3: season for them. He might be a pro bowler for
Speaker 3: the first time. We will see if arm armsteads around,
Speaker 3: Armstead returns. I don't know what to do here there.
Speaker 3: I want to see a beautiful Tua game. This is
Speaker 3: an easy matchup. He hasn't had a totally easy one
Speaker 3: in a while. Give me, give me some September Tua.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, their their schedule Miami and I know
Speaker 4: they're not talked about. Is like a team that's gonna
Speaker 4: sneak in there and take the number one seat. And
Speaker 4: I don't expect it to happen. But Commanders Titans Jets
Speaker 4: after having played you know, an up and down Raiders
Speaker 4: team and the Jets the first time, it's it's laid
Speaker 4: out nicely for them, and it hasn't been like a
Speaker 4: pristine version of Tua the last couple of weeks. But
Speaker 4: I'm with you on Moster, like all he really ever
Speaker 4: needed to do with stay healthy. I mean, it was
Speaker 4: like seemed like every single season injury side swept what
Speaker 4: was a.
Speaker 3: Really right And there's been injuries next to him too,
Speaker 3: so he's had a bigger role because of that.
Speaker 4: Sounds like Devon ay Chan could play this week, we'll see,
Speaker 4: but he didn't have They kind of were cautious with
Speaker 4: him a week ago.
Speaker 5: And I do, Greg, you've been hitting on this a
Speaker 5: little bit. It's I think it's time to see. We're
Speaker 5: not gonna at least so far, we're not gonna know
Speaker 5: for sure how Miami fairs.
Speaker 6: Against the big time teams.
Speaker 2: But let's let's get back to at least, you know,
Speaker 2: a monster offensive performance by this team where you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: they still have that in them. They could absolutely destroy
Speaker 2: an opponent. And the and the Commanders, as we just
Speaker 2: saw against the Cowboys, have a defense that will certainly
Speaker 2: allow that, a defense in disarray that just fired their
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, traded away a bunch of their big pieces
Speaker 2: of the deadline. If the Dolphins once again are kind
Speaker 2: of hot and cold and two of throws and other
Speaker 2: onse balloons on an out pattern for a pick six
Speaker 2: or something like that, it's like, all right, guys, is
Speaker 2: this a problem?
Speaker 3: Have we peaked as an offense. It's concerning. And then
Speaker 3: on the other hand, like Dolphins fans are like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're about to go to nine and three, when was
Speaker 3: the last time he won the AFCAS, Like, I don't
Speaker 3: even know what the answer is, Like you mentioned that
Speaker 3: schedule that could set them up to get to eleven
Speaker 3: and three, and then they have the Cowboys and the
Speaker 3: Ravens in a row. So that's a fun actually scenario
Speaker 3: where like they they beat up on these lesser sisters
Speaker 3: of the NFL, get to a big, fancy record, and
Speaker 3: then we have some nice matchups there at the end
Speaker 3: of the season, though the last one still have to
Speaker 3: prove themselves right that world, it's fun little Christmas game.
Speaker 4: Cowboys, Yes, Mark, I was gonna say they won the
Speaker 4: division in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: Oh it was against the Jets. Ad Pennington comeback player
Speaker 3: of the year. All right, moving on my turn. Thank you, Mark,
Speaker 3: Tony Sperana.
Speaker 6: Rest in peace. He was a good man.
Speaker 2: Tony, all right, I will go with uh. You know
Speaker 2: I haven't done this all year, at least in games
Speaker 2: that connected to my favorite team. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 2: the Patriots. I'll help you out there. Gregy Chargers at
Speaker 2: Pats and I have no interest to anything going on
Speaker 2: in New England at all, but I do, you know,
Speaker 2: all right as my second game, as the game that's
Speaker 2: not as high up, I'll watch justin Herbert. That's kind
Speaker 2: of what we're at here, where we're at on this
Speaker 2: one in terms of juice from my perspective, from the
Speaker 2: Chargers perspective, like, I don't know, let's see what the
Speaker 2: what's the zone on this five and a half?
Speaker 5: Which is Greggie? Well, you know, why are we not
Speaker 5: locking up this one? I know the Chargers are going
Speaker 5: in bad direction too, but like the Chargers for cracket seven.
Speaker 3: I think this is I think where you get into trouble.
Speaker 3: But it's a number, and I have to admit Nick
Speaker 3: Whistlings talk about don't go for the fives and six
Speaker 3: is that probably played in my decision making the last
Speaker 3: few weeks. But I actually do think the Patriots have
Speaker 3: a better chance to win this game personally than the
Speaker 3: Saints the defense left because as as as as ugly
Speaker 3: as it is for Brandon Staley, can't you just imagine
Speaker 3: losing to the Patriots here as being kind of the
Speaker 3: final nail. There's nothing Yeah, there's nothing imagine. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't expect it, but I can imagine.
Speaker 6: With the Chargers, there's nothing that would surprise in terms of, like, yeah.
Speaker 3: A totally preposterous game that Bailey ZAPPI like, doesn't do anything,
Speaker 3: but their running game, which has been pretty good the
Speaker 3: Patriots is effective throughout the game and the defensive place,
Speaker 3: so I could see it. I don't expect it, but
Speaker 3: I could see it and take the five I would
Speaker 3: give away. I would not give away the five and
Speaker 3: a half i'd taken.
Speaker 2: The Patriots and Belichick never loses to the Chargers, but
Speaker 2: they also the Chargers again, they kind of told on
Speaker 2: themselves and expose themselves as being fraudulent. But before this
Speaker 2: three game losing streak, they took care of the Bears
Speaker 2: and the Jets, who are similarly bad teams, at least
Speaker 2: the Jets in the form they are now, and so
Speaker 2: the Patriots should be a team they kind of take
Speaker 2: care of business as well, so it will. I guess
Speaker 2: that's really what it comes down to. There's two things
Speaker 2: to watch for on the Patriots side is how bad
Speaker 2: does this get? Mark you mentioned it when we talked
Speaker 2: about what matters doesn't matter how the Patriots close. Has
Speaker 2: Robert Craft already decided what he's doing with the head coach,
Speaker 2: But certainly if they get embarrassed again at home by
Speaker 2: the Chargers, that will be another nail in Belichick's coffin.
Speaker 2: And on the Chargers, did they have any fight whatsoever?
Speaker 2: Or are they quitting on Brandon Staley? It's it's kind
Speaker 2: of a grim game, but one that's worth keeping an
Speaker 2: eye on for those.
Speaker 5: There's terrible things happening for for both coaches.
Speaker 4: I mean, like the Brandon Staley like whatever you're calling
Speaker 4: cards or what do you want to you know, wrestle
Speaker 4: with the media over They're allowing more yards per game
Speaker 4: than they have going back to nineteen eighty five. They've
Speaker 4: never been this bat on defense. And it's not just yardage,
Speaker 4: it's everything else you see too. And for the Patriots,
Speaker 4: Mac Jones and Bailly Zappy like this, I don't really
Speaker 4: care who's starting or if you play both of them
Speaker 4: seven different times in one game, they combined for a
Speaker 4: fifty six point six PFF grade. Last week Dak was
Speaker 4: at ninety seven. It's like combined, they were terrible, Oh combined,
Speaker 4: Like if you added their scores and it looks like it.
Speaker 4: That's the thing about Zappi, which I think you have
Speaker 4: to play Zappy in the airplane. Zappi, according to reports,
Speaker 4: even though Belichick won't say it, he's been taking in
Speaker 4: the reps. You have to because Max just totally broken.
Speaker 4: But it is worth noting.
Speaker 6: I checked this.
Speaker 3: PFFS has fifty two players who have had at least
Speaker 3: forty dropbacks this year. Zappi's ranked fiftieth. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: been terrible too, and through through a terrible interception last week.
Speaker 3: So it's just like run the ball and defense and
Speaker 3: hope for that.
Speaker 4: I don't think we We probably don't ever see Mac
Speaker 4: Jones play another game for the Patriots unless there's an injury.
Speaker 6: That's what I thought a couple weeks ago. That's well,
Speaker 6: so bad.
Speaker 3: What's one of the reasons why Belichick is like, I
Speaker 3: can't believe he played him again, and I know they
Speaker 3: don't have any faith in Zappy, but it just he
Speaker 3: benched himself and you didn't listen. It was crazy, by
Speaker 3: the way, my worst but Johnston benks too. By the way,
Speaker 3: at the end of last week's team was kind of
Speaker 3: an we didn't really notice that on the show.
Speaker 6: We talked about it, did we We talked about it.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, And then they said it was
Speaker 3: an injury, but then he was playing special. Yeah. Then
Speaker 3: Stalley confirmed eventually essentially was.
Speaker 5: Mess worst contract year All Stars.
Speaker 6: I think maybe U T.
Speaker 2: Higgins is the top of the list, but Austin Eckler
Speaker 2: is not far behind. It's been a tough year for
Speaker 2: Eckler and his stats aren't great, but it's really with
Speaker 2: him eye test too. He just doesn't seem to be
Speaker 2: explosive this year, and that's gonna be tough for him.
Speaker 3: Yea, they're really not. There is this idea that they're
Speaker 3: very talented, well after Mike Williams on offense. I just mean, okay,
Speaker 3: Sean Slater certainly, Keenan Allen's a really good receiver, but
Speaker 3: are they better than average overall?
Speaker 2: I'd be curious what Ecklers like Pop the Hood stats
Speaker 2: are in terms of okay, because you know he's averaging
Speaker 2: three point eight yards per carrying.
Speaker 6: It looks like this year, all right, let's see always
Speaker 6: something wrong with that team.
Speaker 3: We're in seven.
Speaker 6: We're in seven.
Speaker 4: I got I'll close it out with two picks where
Speaker 4: will I go first. Uh, if you're driving around the
Speaker 4: Dramas building, I'm gonna take Colts at Titans a crash
Speaker 4: by the side of the that'd be terrible, Uh, Colts
Speaker 4: defense like that.
Speaker 2: Only if you're driving around, there's a lot of tension.
Speaker 2: But if you're just like sitting in the park listening
Speaker 2: to the show, you're fine. Well, you're in a nice park, yeah,
Speaker 2: depending on where you live. Yeah, thank you for listening
Speaker 2: in the park. I'm sure it's very nice, maybe not
Speaker 2: seasonably warm.
Speaker 5: If you don't do this thing where you're on three
Speaker 5: time speed in.
Speaker 3: The park, like the the volume of the don't don't
Speaker 3: be on actual speed either of the drug. It's that's healthy. No,
Speaker 3: that's your choice. That's not good. But if you are
Speaker 3: in the park therapeutic, if you are in the park listening,
Speaker 3: send us a send us a picture, send us a
Speaker 3: picture on on the.
Speaker 6: Old thing googling on my NFL.
Speaker 3: You know, just like a picture of you and speed
Speaker 3: showing you listening and uh, in the park.
Speaker 6: I would love it.
Speaker 5: That'd be really nice.
Speaker 3: I would love it. I've appreciated all the Spotify.
Speaker 5: That that happens once a year.
Speaker 4: They seem to do that once a year, and it's
Speaker 4: a day that it is everywhere feel great about themselves.
Speaker 3: It is fantastic. I want to say, shout out by
Speaker 3: the way, Yeah it's not good, it's not good for you.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the guy, the truck driver I want
Speaker 3: to get. His name is Ryan, who listened for forty
Speaker 3: six thousand, eight hundred minutes. I haven't seen one higher
Speaker 3: than that. And I responded saying, that's that's how many hours?
Speaker 3: Forty six thousand. Well, and I didn't ask why, but
Speaker 3: he did explain, and I'm glad it makes sense. I'm
Speaker 3: a truck driver and have been having a great time
Speaker 3: going back through the whole Dude back through the twentye
Speaker 3: he's wondering what her in the car all day? What
Speaker 3: kind of goods does he transport? He's roughly forty six
Speaker 3: thousand hours ahead of my wife, and I believe, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Emica has never listened that one. Sorry, Mark, we no,
Speaker 3: I wrapped it.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I think that was, you know, trenching to talk about
Speaker 4: the listener. I have liked this cult st defense kind
Speaker 4: of all year. I thought that they've just always had
Speaker 4: a knack for making these game changing plays. They've had
Speaker 4: a cake schedule of late, but they've they've only allowed
Speaker 4: thirteen points of games since week nine. They've been awesome
Speaker 4: in the red zone, the best in the league and
Speaker 4: preventing touchdowns in the red zone since week nine, so
Speaker 4: they've been air up.
Speaker 5: And uh, you know you're playing a Cults team. You
Speaker 5: said everyone has great starts in the red zone.
Speaker 6: Not against the Colts, Greg.
Speaker 5: I just mean Cults.
Speaker 3: A lot of times on the CBS broadcast, they'll be like,
Speaker 3: and you know, quarterback X is thirteen touchdown, zero interceptions
Speaker 3: in the reds Like it's just a common trope. Greg,
Speaker 3: it's a common trope. I find you to be an
Speaker 3: incredible No, I'm not gonna do it. Go ahead, Mark,
Speaker 3: tell us more about how great.
Speaker 6: The Cults are.
Speaker 4: I know you think I'm too high in the Cults.
Speaker 4: I just think that they're really well coached.
Speaker 3: You just use your limit of Colt stock yesterday I did.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna I'm gonna hand it off because it's
Speaker 4: impossible to speak for two sentences anyways on the show.
Speaker 5: But Jonathan Taylor, uh check you lator.
Speaker 3: But Zach Moss.
Speaker 4: Zach Moss is I who I picked up on my
Speaker 4: fantasy team. No one cares about that either, But like
Speaker 4: a waiver wirelator, great Mark, we talked Mark. I mean
Speaker 4: they need him to come back, you know what I
Speaker 4: mean I've been clocking lately. Completely different is actually kindly different.
Speaker 4: And it's not always just talking about two differ in sports,
Speaker 4: just things are completely different. That's a Marxism. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: have someone else.
Speaker 5: That try to get on that corner on the complete who.
Speaker 3: Completely different from basketball?
Speaker 4: Who's that Ian Rappaport on an NFL films uh production,
Speaker 4: that same.
Speaker 3: Road waiting for weeks no beat a break up completely.
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 5: I was alerted to it actually last night.
Speaker 3: I mean, if he had said completely different than basketball.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 3: He's trying to, you know, do his own right. I
Speaker 3: guess in what context did he say that? Don't recall
Speaker 3: that this is anything else? Will you take if you're
Speaker 3: the Titans? Will you take what Gardner Minshew gives you
Speaker 3: every week? You know, every week there's three or four
Speaker 3: chances for the defense to make a play on Gardner Minshew?
Speaker 3: And will the Titans take a chance? Wait, Graver didn't
Speaker 3: send the video you know what?
Speaker 6: Or did he did?
Speaker 5: He?
Speaker 6: I even connected with him on it.
Speaker 3: I did to him, but you know we love him anyways.
Speaker 3: We do next week and.
Speaker 5: That is the Titans are getting one point there.
Speaker 3: By the way, thank good job there you go you
Speaker 3: on that. If the Colts are really going to be
Speaker 3: a wildcard team, you take care you find a way
Speaker 3: to win this game. I could see them slipping up here.
Speaker 3: Well that that would be feels like a game they
Speaker 3: would lose.
Speaker 4: That would go against most of what I said on Wednesdays.
Speaker 4: So that would be disturbing.
Speaker 2: You need to see those Zach Moss carries in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Please Colts win some games.
Speaker 5: I found a real revenge game by the way.
Speaker 4: Okay, uh, Panthers going to Tampa Bay Carolina getting five points.
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield revenge game. I mean they nearly ended his
Speaker 4: career last year, and I think he's having an okay season.
Speaker 3: I mean he's they fired three coaches.
Speaker 6: That is it a revenge game?
Speaker 3: When you sucked like that was well, that's always been
Speaker 3: a thing that I made him look even worse than
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 5: That's what I think is true.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but then Donald took over and was better.
Speaker 3: But Donald was terrible.
Speaker 5: He was not great. Actually, they also just started run times.
Speaker 3: The only reason Baker came in was because wasn't it
Speaker 3: because Baker was bench. It was because Darnald was bench.
Speaker 5: I don't remember anymore that he got involved in that
Speaker 5: sense too.
Speaker 4: Did a Baker start the season, Yes, he lost to Cleveland,
Speaker 4: I believe in the opener, and then they went downhill
Speaker 4: from there.
Speaker 5: And then there's a little p J. There was Donald
Speaker 5: and Steve Donald.
Speaker 3: Darnold had a good handful of weeks.
Speaker 2: And anyway, we could say the Panthers ruined Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2: But Baker's Baker's Baker.
Speaker 5: You know, he doesn't change.
Speaker 4: But I do think that, like in every game he's
Speaker 4: making an arg I thought his career could have been
Speaker 4: over just because of the dynamic and being a first
Speaker 4: round pick and probably not wanting to be a backup.
Speaker 4: Like I don't think he's a starter after this season.
Speaker 4: It depends on what happens to these teams. But Baker
Speaker 4: Mayfield will hang around for a while because in every
Speaker 4: one of these.
Speaker 5: Games, I would love Baker as Aaron Rodgers' backup next year.
Speaker 3: That would be perfect, great, Like you're only making three
Speaker 3: million dollars. I was just thinking, like pure value wise,
Speaker 3: that was a great signing, Like, is there a difference.
Speaker 3: Is there a huge difference between him and you don't
Speaker 3: Derek Carr? Like Derek Carr can thirty plus and Baker
Speaker 3: making three and like they're in the same ballpark. Ultimately,
Speaker 3: so they hit they did as well. This possibly could have. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's so that is like it.
Speaker 5: Is big on Baker.
Speaker 4: But that's what I mean kind of by what the
Speaker 4: Panthers did to Baker and Revengel. They probably cost him
Speaker 4: a ton of money. He's part of that, but they
Speaker 4: cost him a ton of money.
Speaker 3: Did Sess Spice picked the Panthers in this one because
Speaker 3: this is the fired coach principal here they are five point?
Speaker 6: Did they get the Masachi bump here right?
Speaker 3: Because it's like I think they might get a little bump.
Speaker 3: But I was reminded last week watching that game, as
Speaker 3: they had these injuries last week during that game, they
Speaker 3: were missing their top the Panthers, their top two tight ends,
Speaker 3: their top three cornerbacks, their top three guards. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like when it happens all at one position. Toman
Speaker 3: got hurt right game right, and then other people getting hurt.
Speaker 3: That's it's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I was so I needed to like medicate after watching
Speaker 2: the Panthers last Sunday. I will not draft a Panther
Speaker 2: game for the rest of the season if I can
Speaker 2: help it, and if it's a thirty six minute game, rewatch,
Speaker 2: I will. I will white knuckle my way through it.
Speaker 2: But they are a tough, tough, tough situation.
Speaker 6: I feel for you. I feel for you, o Nation,
Speaker 6: because well, what about me?
Speaker 5: I'll be watching it on Sunday.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel for you.
Speaker 5: Well, you guys are like giggling about your little lock
Speaker 5: over there.
Speaker 3: Whoa, we got a lock here, we got a lock.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's head to the Cincinnati Zoo and no, I
Speaker 2: just want to say, let me finish my thought.
Speaker 5: Keep pounding, Nation. I feel you hanging there. Maybe it
Speaker 5: gets better.
Speaker 2: It feels it's as dark as you can get right now,
Speaker 2: with the QB struggling and the owner going off and they're.
Speaker 6: Really not having the first overall pick. It's very It
Speaker 6: just sucks.
Speaker 5: It might be time to jump ship.
Speaker 6: Don't do it.
Speaker 3: There was a last week that to me explained the
Speaker 3: Panther season. There was an injury cart I forget who.
Speaker 3: They were carding to the locker room and they were
Speaker 3: bringing them there, and then on the way there someone
Speaker 3: got hurt and they had to back up the cart
Speaker 3: to bring another player because like they were like, we
Speaker 3: got to bring home. I forget who it was, but
Speaker 3: like we're backing up the cart to get two players
Speaker 3: on the cart.
Speaker 5: It doesn't even feel like petically, like was that necessary?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but they did it.
Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't finish their facility, so they I
Speaker 2: guess they can't afford the second cart. Let's have too,
Speaker 2: let's have a backup cart ready, all right, Now to
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Zoo.
Speaker 7: Bol guys, no video this week, but the Cincinnati Zoo
Speaker 7: will be locking up.
Speaker 6: The bucks over the panthers.
Speaker 3: I thought they were gonna get no.
Speaker 2: No because now now Nick the zoo keeper, he smells
Speaker 2: it like what he was doing earlier was for show
Speaker 2: and he was figuring out how to be a showman.
Speaker 7: Now he's right, he wants that he wants to strap
Speaker 7: no message this or video this week. But the message
Speaker 7: I came along with the pick, well, I will be
Speaker 7: taking the Rusenthal approach and locking the bucks over the panthers.
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, you could do He's doing
Speaker 3: it for a week, Like I just don't want to
Speaker 3: hear that he's so bold and he's locking against the
Speaker 3: one and eleven team on the road. But I don't
Speaker 3: have a problem with it because I don't think any
Speaker 3: locks are truly locks, and I wouldn't surprise me somehow
Speaker 3: if the Panthers just freaking found a way. You never know,
Speaker 3: fired coach principal. Yeah the video, huh, all right, that's it,
Speaker 3: Thank you again. This is the APN triple header, so
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Speaker 6: And the Thursday night recap will be in your feed
Speaker 6: later tonight. Till then you know what you gotta do.
Speaker 3: Heed the call.