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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're a weekly reminder that when there's bad things happening,

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Speaker 2: there's people trying to do good things. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Margaret Kiljoy, and this is a rerun week. Everyone loves

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Speaker 2: a rerun week. It's when I get to take a

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Speaker 2: short break and run a rerun instead of doing another

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Speaker 2: episode in the endless march of podcast production, which is

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Speaker 2: endless anyway. I'm recording this on the fourth of July.

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Speaker 2: And I am not a particularly patriotic person in general

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Speaker 2: and in particular for the slave empire called the United

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Speaker 2: of stories that specifically talk about the ways in which

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Speaker 2: It's something that's come up again and again on this

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Speaker 2: show is the ways in which the American Revolution was

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Speaker 2: honestly kind of a counter revolution. And so I'm going

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Speaker 2: to tell a story, or rather rerun a story called

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Speaker 2: the Battle of Negro Fort about Florida's Maroon community, and

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Speaker 2: it is a story that gets into a little bit

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Speaker 2: about the black loyalists. They're called the people who took

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Speaker 2: the UK up on its offer, Britain up on its

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Speaker 2: offer to fight for Britain in the American Revolution in

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Speaker 2: order to gain their freedom and some of the things

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Speaker 2: that those people then went on to do. So I

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Speaker 2: hope you like the story and I'll be back next

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Speaker 2: week with an episode that's probably not a rerun.

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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media, Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did

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Speaker 1: Cool Stuff Podcast About the Stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me today as

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Speaker 2: my guest, is the host of every podcast, the Queen

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Speaker 2: of Tube shaped Food, Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't ask for a better introduction. It makes me

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Speaker 3: sound so busy.

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Speaker 1: And you're executive producing a new show as well, aren't you, Jamie.

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Speaker 3: It's true. I'm trying to do an impression of Sophie

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Speaker 3: and producing We the Unhoused that just launched on iHeart

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Speaker 3: as well. It existed before, but now it's relaunching on iHeart.

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Speaker 3: You should check it out.

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Speaker 2: Well what's it about?

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Speaker 3: Well it is, Thank you for asking bye it We

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Speaker 3: the end Housed is a show that was originally created

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Speaker 3: and is still written and hosted by Theo Henderson formally

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Speaker 3: Unhoused person in la. He began the show back in

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen as a way to show the issues that

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Speaker 3: unhouse people in LA face from the perspective of unhoused

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Speaker 3: people and took a year off and is now relaunching

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Speaker 3: the show with iHeart. So our first episode is out

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Speaker 3: now and covers Theo's experience being unhoused as well as

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Speaker 3: who is a part of the reclaiming house initiatives in

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Speaker 3: LA where unhoused people or low income people are reclaiming

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Speaker 3: empty units in buildings that the city is just leaving

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Speaker 3: empty for no reason. And then we have a new

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Speaker 3: episode coming up that is all about the Unhoused Day

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Speaker 3: of Remembrance that happens towards the end of the year

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Speaker 3: where people who past who are unhoused and haven't gotten

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Speaker 3: a proper memorial are given that memorial within their communities.

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Speaker 3: So that's the show. It's been really really fun to

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Speaker 3: work on and Theo's the best.

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Speaker 2: I suspect that if you like this podcast, you will

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Speaker 2: like that podcast.

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Speaker 3: Can almost guarantee it, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you don't, you should feel guilty about.

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Speaker 3: You should really ask yourself, why, yeah, is it that

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Speaker 3: you don't like me? Specifically, it might be that you

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Speaker 3: don't like you won't hear my voice on Meet the House,

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Speaker 3: so it's okay, okay, Well maybe I'll listen to it though, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really funny. Well, Sophie Licktman is our producer.

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Speaker 3: That's me.

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Speaker 2: That's that's me.

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Speaker 1: I am the producer, the only producer except that one,

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Speaker 1: except that one time that Jamie takes my face.

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Speaker 3: That one happens from time to time, and we don't

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Speaker 3: talk about it.

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Speaker 2: No, like in I'm okay wait, I'm obsessed with the

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Speaker 2: BBC version of Dracula that came out in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: Yes, did we talk about it on the on air

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Speaker 3: Say more, say more, No, don't back down.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's some there's some face wearing in that and

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Speaker 2: I rewatched. I rewatched it already. I I'm so into it.

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Speaker 2: It is like written for me. It was like anyway whatever, okay, okay. Also,

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Speaker 2: our audio engineers Ian Hi Ian Hi ian Nyan. Our

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Speaker 2: I never thought I'd be doing an episode about Florida history.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna talk about some more Florida history today.

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Speaker 2: I never really expected that I would be doing any

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Speaker 2: Florida history. No offense to some offense to the state

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Speaker 2: of Florida. But don't worry. This story is set during

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Speaker 2: the most riveting time period in American history, the time

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Speaker 2: I know, absolutely not. Although there are some surprise good

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Speaker 2: it probably goes like Rhodesians and Nazis are number one,

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Speaker 2: So this week's story is like a lot of our stories.

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Speaker 2: The big basic gist of it is like every beautiful

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Speaker 2: hearing again and again because all of our lives eventually end,

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Speaker 2: and some of our lives have these great, beautiful moments

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Speaker 2: of freedom. And that's accidentally the cool people formula. This

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Speaker 2: is the story of a place called negro Fort. You

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do this.

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Speaker 3: Story, and day is now.

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Speaker 2: This story is a funny mess of identities. It is

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Speaker 3: We wow, that is number three, isn't it? That even

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, don't worry. A American president before he's president

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Speaker 2: is the main antagonist. Okay, my favorite folk punk band

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Speaker 1: You before, when you told me and that you were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, James Madison. Now, I was like, that's not a bed.

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Speaker 2: There's a band called AJJ that used to be called

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Speaker 3: It sure is. And that's also the name of an

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Speaker 3: Bloody Andrew Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Oh I haven't seen this, but I mean it has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll talk about all that later. So this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the twentieth century, only it happened in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also the twenty first. I mean it's

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm just I've got my hand on my heart

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Speaker 3: and I'm looking at my flag. Just I forgot it

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Speaker 2: Well, don't worry. This is also a story that lets

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Speaker 2: me do my favorite thing ever, which just talk shit

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Speaker 2: on the American Revolution. Oh but because in order to

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Speaker 2: Okay, great Florida spent most of its hit his history

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I granted all of this research was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, see, Okay, So that actually brings up a

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Speaker 3: Love and love and love and love were absolute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I almost feel bad, Like I feel like everyone

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Speaker 3: But people live there, like marginalized people live there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and like even the like the famous

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then now everyone it is absolutely true and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and see, I would be very proud of that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, we're not dead. No, So it's now a

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Speaker 2: So basically the whole taxation without representation thing that the

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Speaker 2: Next one I'm going to get. So okay, what's next

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Speaker 2: on our context list for today's story? Slavery. I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard, I've I've heard about.

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Speaker 2: the Founding Fathers were this weird variety that actually, like

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Speaker 2: later Southern Confederate types, disagreed with very actively because the

441
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: Founding fathers, most of them are like a ton of

442
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: them owned slaves and they were white supremacists, but they

443
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 2: were interested in the gradual abolition of slavery because they

444
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: wanted a white only society.

445
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Speaker 3: Oh god.

446
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were like, we gotta kick every all the

447
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: black people out of here.

448
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

449
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, new type of slavery just dropped.

450
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: That's like a galaxy brain racist. That's okay, okay.

451
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: But it's like it's instead of it being like a two,

452
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: instead of it being like a more racist than the

453
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: previous racist, it's like two orbiting stars of racism. You know.

454
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: The galaxy is a binary system.

455
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: What's clear is that no one is right and or

456
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: anywhere close. God that is mind.

457
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, even like George Washington and shit was one,

458
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: even though he's like the famous horror movie teeth made

459
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Speaker 2: out of the teeth ripped out of his enslaved people's faces.

460
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: Even he was like kind of like, oh, slavery is

461
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: like not the best, but really, I mean, obviously white

462
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: people and black people put it together. So the Articles

463
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Speaker 2: of Confederation, because we were confederacy for a while before

464
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Speaker 2: we became a republic, didn't make any rules about slavery.

465
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Speaker 2: That was up to the states. Overall, slavery was starting

466
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Speaker 2: to go out of style in the entire Western world.

467
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: The northern states started voting for abolition really early on.

468
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania didn't even wait till the war with England was over.

469
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Speaker 2: They passed gradual abolition where all children were born free,

470
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Speaker 2: no more enslaved people could be trafficked into the state,

471
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Speaker 2: and a lot of the Northern abolitionists, it's like, not

472
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: all of them were the type of white supremacist I

473
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: was just talking about, but like that was among the

474
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Speaker 2: reasons why people would argue for either at whatever.

475
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Speaker 3: It's all messy, okay, Okay, Yeah, I mean it's like

476
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Speaker 3: there's always tricky talking about Northern abolitionists because they feel

477
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: like it just ends up like painting them with the

478
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: very broad brush of like the good guys, when it's

479
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: like there were so many absurd shades of gray, and

480
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: then even if they were working in the right direction,

481
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: it was often not for the right reason.

482
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll just yeah, shit, absolutely for every

483
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: John Brown. You have, all the people's names I don't

484
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: remember because they're bad people.

485
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: That's an other show.

486
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good people's show, Yeah, exactly. The South,

487
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: of course, was famously very into slavery. Even during the Confederation,

488
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: Congress passed the Northwest Ordinance, which was like, no slavery

489
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: north and west of the Ohio River. The Northwest Territories

490
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: does not mean what we would call Northwest. It's like

491
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: Ohio and fucking up into Minnesota and shit, and by

492
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: the time people were writing the Constitution, most people wanted

493
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 2: to end the transatlantic slave trade. So there was this

494
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: like deal in the Constitution where it was like, all right, well,

495
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: we're not gonna do it for twenty years at least,

496
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: And it was basically all the northern states were like, fuck,

497
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: if we don't like, if we don't allow for some slavery,

498
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: the South isn't going to join the union because that

499
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: tension was there since the very founding of the United States.

500
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: The Constitution itself was going to mention slavery openly, but

501
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: then it didn't because, as slave owner James Madison put it,

502
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: it was wrong to quote it in the Constitution that

503
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: there could be property in men. Basically, they are They

504
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: all knew that. They were hypocrites who were like gonna

505
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: burn in hell for all eternity because they preached about

506
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: all men being created equal and that enslaving people. They

507
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: all fucking knew it, and they all still fucking did it.

508
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: I hate and yet we have a million boring ass

509
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: movies and plays about how right they were to say

510
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: what they said, And you never see the note session

511
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: where James Madison is like, now, hold on, yeah, fellas. Yeah,

512
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: I just noticed there's a bit of a chafe in

513
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: one of these. Yeah, one of these, and so it's

514
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: just a lie biomission. God.

515
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the Constitution authorized the federal government to suppress

516
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: slave insurrections, and it also said that free states couldn't

517
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: free runaways. These were like the concessions that they were making, right,

518
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: The government wasn't allowed to ban the transatlantic slave trade

519
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: for at least twenty years. The Constitution was bad enough

520
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: that seventy years later, in eighteen fifty four, the abolitionist

521
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: William Lloyd Garrison burned a copy of the Constitution and

522
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: called it, quote a covenant with death and an agreement

523
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: with hell woo. And I really just threw that in

524
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: because I had a fucking sick line.

525
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really metals.

526
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. The nad As pro slavery founding fathers were the

527
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: white supremacist They wanted the white Republic, and then they

528
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: of course wanted to take all the land from the

529
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: indigenous people. And whatever the reason I'm bringing all this

530
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: shit up, Partly it's because I enjoy talking shit on

531
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: the founding of the United States, but also because it's

532
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: important to understand that slavery was already a divisive issue

533
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: right from the start of this country. During the end

534
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: of the eighteenth century, slavery in the western world was

535
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: on a decline. The US South was fucking obsessed with

536
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: buying and selling people, and they were kind of an outlier,

537
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: and this, of course had disastrous consequences for everyone on

538
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: the South's obsession with the expansion of slavery, the peculiar institution,

539
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: including this had very negative influences on the heroes of

540
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: this week's story. So, while slavery is starting to become

541
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: a little bit less popular, over all, the Southern plantation

542
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: slave society is growing and they're getting like more and more,

543
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: like no, this is who we fucking are, right, It

544
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: is like, we're so cool. The Louisiana Purchase of eighteen

545
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: oh three, when the which is what's kind of in

546
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: the name in the air eighteen o three, the United

547
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: States purchase Louisiana. Yeah, it opened up a ton of

548
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: land into the court of King Cotton, as it was

549
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: called at the time. And so they were like, man,

550
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: we're not allowed to do this up north. Where else

551
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: can we go? And then they were like, oh, hey,

552
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: Florida what's up? Can we can we show up there

553
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: and be more of an evil empire?

554
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's Florida even like within the world of the South,

555
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: feels like for hundreds of years has been its own

556
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: thing in terms of conversation, Like, it's obviously very much

557
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: a part of the South, but when you think of

558
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: the South, Florida it's still at least to be feels

559
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: like its own thing and has always been treated that way.

560
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: And this like I finally understand why after learning more

561
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: about the history of Florida, you know, because the rest

562
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: of the South was like we're the South for like

563
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: fucking hundreds of years, right, and then Florida was like

564
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: there's a couple swamps here and some traders.

565
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: Right, and then like that, the you know, industrial developed

566
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: sense didn't develop an identity until far later than like

567
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: most places did. And so it's just and that's why

568
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: it was like a sitting duck for you know, Mickey

569
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: Mouse to like raw fuck it at that? Yep, I

570
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: guess I stand by that sentence. Why not?

571
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: What could go wrong? The weird timeline we're in is

572
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: where Disney and fucking what's that asshole's name? Disantas are

573
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: like at each other, you.

574
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, and you're just like, I don't huh.

575
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: I've played enough risk that I know that what happens

576
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: here is you encourage both of them and then you

577
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: stand back and wait.

578
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, just wait for bob Iger and DeSantis to get

579
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: into a slap fight.

580
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

581
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: Interesting. For so long, my friend told me this, and

582
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: then I realized a long time later that it was

583
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: not It was obviously not true, but that bob Iger's

584
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: name was said like Bonie Verar because it looks the same,

585
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: so I thought it was Bobi Gaar for a while.

586
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: It's not.

587
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: Wait, I can't even I don't know how to spell

588
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: any of these people's names.

589
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: It's fine, and we could keep moving.

590
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry Sophie's doing that. Margaret didn't get a

591
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: reference space.

592
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it, and part of our audience will

593
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: think it's really funny.

594
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: But you don't need to comfort me. It's okay. It

595
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: didn't work. It didn't work. I liked it.

596
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: You're doing great, sweetie.

597
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: All right, just keep telling me the story.

598
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: All right. So Spanish Florida is like, fuck, we really

599
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: don't want to become the States because some of the

600
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: people who lived in that area include Indigenous people who

601
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: weren't a big fan of the US's whole genocide the

602
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: indigenous people, policy creole people who were generally free Catholic

603
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: descendants of Spanish and Black parentage who weren't excited about

604
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: a strict racial caste system showing up and all of

605
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: a sudden, you know, being at the bottom of it.

606
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: And British loyalists who you know, branded as traders, so

607
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: they weren't really stoked. They weren't like, oh, man, the

608
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: US to come on down.

609
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: M h.

610
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: The southern slave owners, though, were like, you know, rubbing

611
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: their hands together and salivating at all the potential plantation land.

612
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: Sounds like them.

613
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: Spanish Florida was still a slave society, but it was

614
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: one wherein slave people had a lot more rights. Like like,

615
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: it's so hard to explain because like often slavery apologists

616
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: will be like, oh, everywhere heead slavery. It's like that's true,

617
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: and also not a good excuse. No, I know, I know, right,

618
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: But US chattel slavery was worse. It was its own

619
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 2: fucked up thing that everyone was like, yeah, it was

620
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: kind of fucked up. Can we keep getting away with us,

621
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, and eventually.

622
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: We write this down that we're doing this.

623
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, So I mean, like, like fuck

624
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: slave societies absolutely in Spanish Florida, in slave people had

625
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: basic property and marriage rights and they could buy themselves

626
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: out of slavery. So a lot of people ran the

627
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: fuck away from the evil empire of the United States

628
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: into the Spanish territories all the time and like to

629
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: have a chance at a better life. And you wind

630
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: up with a lot of maroon societies, which are in

631
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: this case it's both black people integrated into seminal society

632
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 2: but also independent maroon societies. And if you really want

633
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: to get into and I barely do, but I feel

634
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 2: like it'd be lied by a mission to not mention

635
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: this if you really want to get into the blurriness

636
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: of the gradiation of slavery. The seminal society was also

637
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: a slave society, but it was different even than the

638
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: Spanish slave society. By and large, Seminole slavery was closer

639
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: to serfdom. People lived their lives and then gave some

640
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 2: percentage of their crops to their owners. It is real mess.

641
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: See both the indigenous seminoles and the black seminoles believed

642
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: that they had to work together to destroy the US

643
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: in order to destroy slavery and colonization all in one go.

644
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: And basically we're like, oh, we're gonna get rid of

645
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: slavery once we destroy the United States. That is I

646
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: want to do so much more reading about the seminole

647
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: and all that, but that is the you know, gist

648
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: of what I've read.

649
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: I only got the tip of the iceberg. And it's

650
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: fascinating and like you're speaking to your point, messy as hell.

651
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have a lot of times where indigenous

652
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 2: seminoles and black seminoles will fight alongside one another and

653
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: defend each other, and like, you know, it is a

654
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: a thing whatever, moral relativism whatever.

655
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: Okay, more more an hour and moral relativism.

656
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: Go and that's it. That's the end of the show.

657
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: So maroon societies, Maroon societies are this very common phenomenon

658
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: across the New World of different society. I had not

659
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 2: heard of marine society, so I was a grown ass adult.

660
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm curious if you had.

661
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 3: I had not known.

662
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: So there's this very common phenomenon across the New World

663
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: of Different societies where people escaping slavery end up setting

664
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: up their own resistance societies, Like all over the fucking place,

665
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: there's ones that lasted hundreds of years, you know, you

666
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: havely Yeah, Like we've covered a couple of them. They'll

667
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: be called different things in different languages. Colombo is another

668
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: word for this style of society, and in English it

669
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: usually gets called maroon society. The most famous one of

670
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: the United States that I really want to cover at

671
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: some point, that we touched on in our one of

672
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: our episodes a long ast time ago, was the Great

673
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: Dismal Swamp in northeast North Carolina, where like a ton

674
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: of people lived for hundreds of years resisting colonization, and

675
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: maroon societies were often they were like mostly black and

676
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: runaway enslaved folks, but there was also like poor white

677
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: people often would end up in them because they were like, well,

678
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: fuck the society I'm from. That one gets played up

679
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: a little bit by like white radicals like me. You

680
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: get really excited about that part. And then also indigenous

681
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: folks who were like putting in their lot together, right, Yeah.

682
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: And then there was like huge one that we covered

683
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: in an episode we did about Brazil. We're going to

684
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: cover more of them. I fucking they're amazing, and I

685
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: just didn't know about it. I was just like, oh,

686
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: people who were enslaved, it sucked and they had no

687
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: options except to goes or the white people in the north.

688
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: Right, right right, which is like, I mean, whatever, the

689
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 3: story we learned a bagillion times about, like, well, what

690
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: is the advantage of teaching get that way?

691
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: It's obvious? Yeah, totally. Yeah. So today we're going to

692
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: talk about a maroon society, a really particular one, not

693
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: a very long lived one, but the largest one inside

694
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: what is now the United States. Spoilers in Florida. You

695
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: probably figured that part out. And in order to talk

696
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: about it, we're gonna talk about the War of eighteen twelve.

697
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: But before we talk about the War of eighteen twelve,

698
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about one hundred and twelve one hundred

699
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: eighteen oney, eight hundred and twelve things that you can

700
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 2: buy for me for Christmas. Because all of these ads

701
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: I want you, the listener to buy for me for Christmas.

702
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: I've got my feet steeped in the last thing we advertise,

703
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: and I just know that the next one is going

704
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: to be delicious.

705
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Mmm mmmmmm sweet.

706
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 3: I hope it's a car.

707
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love when I get ads about how you

708
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: should buy new cars all the time and new phones.

709
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: If you don't have a new phone every year, then

710
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: you're a piece of shit.

711
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: I hope it's not a car, because, as we've establish,

712
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: it's under your desk right now. And if that's under

713
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: your desk right now, I'm really concerned.

714
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: It's under my desk, and I'm going to eat it.

715
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, concern continues.

716
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: Here's the ads, and we're back. The War of eighteen

717
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: twelve is also known as the War. I probably took

718
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: a test on in eighth grade, but I don't remember

719
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: anything except that the Brits burned down Washington. Or if

720
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: you live in Maryland, you might know it as the

721
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: reason we have really shitty license plates. Ooh yeah, we

722
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: didn't used to have American flags in our license plates,

723
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: but then at some point people were like War of

724
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: eighteen twelve, and then we had really an annoying license plate.

725
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: Where's the War of eighteen twelve? Hive came to the

726
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 3: license plates specifically, but interesting to know I've seen. Yeah,

727
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: my family member lives in Maryland and I never understood it.

728
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Maryland also has the really nice ones, the like

729
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: Save of the Bay. One has like a heron on it.

730
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: But there's that northern well of.

731
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: A state bird. Love a state bird and a license

732
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: plate more.

733
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: Of that well Maryland mostly. I think I've already told

734
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: people I'm from Maryland, mostly famous for having crabs on

735
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: your driver's license.

736
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: Mhm, I mean like you cornered the market on crab culture.

737
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: I found out recently that my my kitten was I

738
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: adopted him, and they gave me like the cross streets

739
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: of where he'd been found, and he was found slash

740
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: born in front of a chain restaurant called Oh My Crab, Like,

741
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: oh my God, but crab for some reason, Oh.

742
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: That actually really fits.

743
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: And really it resonated with me. I'm like, I feel

744
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: like he's got oh my crab, you know, energy, he

745
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: carried it with him, he does, he does. I love

746
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: that for him, my crab. I'm to try to get

747
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: that into my daily language.

748
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: You should just actually, every time that the word God

749
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 2: is in something, you should replace it with crab.

750
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

751
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: I need to stop taking the name of God in vain.

752
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: So crab damned tam Denoyd.

753
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: That's really like Grandma. That's some Grandma, shit.

754
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: These crabless heathens, all right. The War of eighteen twelve,

755
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: the short version, the US got real mad at Britain,

756
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: so they declared war in eighteen twelve. Yeah. Why they

757
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: were mad is something that's fun to argue about. There's

758
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: two main perspectives, the main American perspective and the one

759
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: that actually probably is a little bit. It's like the

760
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: main one that you hear about, and it's a little

761
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: bit the more one. Probably it was about American honor

762
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: because Britain kept fucking with American ships and they were

763
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: restricting trade, and they were pressed ganging American soldier American

764
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: sailors into being in the British navy, which, to be fair,

765
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: is reason enough to go to war. Stealing people and

766
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: forcing them to do labor is always reason enough to

767
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 2: go to war against anyone who would do such a thing.

768
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: That's my subtle anyway. So the other reason is that

769
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: Britain was making it really hard for Americans to steep,

770
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: keep stealing land from indigenous groups, and also the Americans

771
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: wanted to steal Canada.

772
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

773
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: Specifically, the US was trying to hard to balance the

774
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: like slave and free states as it expanded and the

775
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 2: South had just got in Louisiana. So the North, it's

776
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: only fair the North should get to stay, Canada should.

777
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 3: Get to stook it. And I understand that this was

778
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: a legitimate plan, but it just does sound like when

779
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: Grew from Despicable Me describes wanting to steal the Moon.

780
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, sure, you're gonna steal Canada.

781
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: Best of luck. Yeah, No, it like, why would you

782
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: take your own hat? It makes no sense exactly. Yeah,

783
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: you'll like this part. One of the reasons the South

784
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: was against annexing Canada is that it meant not only

785
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: would it mean more free states, but it would mean

786
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: more Catholics.

787
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: You know, I were always i, Margaret, I feel like

788
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: you always find a random w for Catholics.

789
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, why not. Yeah, if I can find

790
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: somebody who died in tuberculosis, or I can find some

791
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: like anti papist nonsense.

792
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: And so you know, there's got to be a fair

793
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: amount of overlap on that event diagram.

794
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, And so the British they were also

795
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: doing this thing that pissed off the US. They were

796
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: supporting future friend of the pod To Cumsa and his

797
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: confederacy and I want to do more about him. At

798
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: some point, he was one of the first indigenous leaders

799
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: to say, let's create one big confederation in resistance to

800
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: the American Empire. So he like he spent the year

801
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: of eighteen eleven traveling around the United States in the

802
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: area west of the United States trying to build an

803
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: anti American confederation. And one of his sick quotes when

804
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: he was talking about how to deal with the US,

805
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: he demanded war now, war always, war on the living,

806
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: war on the dead. Who medalist fuck.

807
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, that's another that's like a rob

808
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: zombie character.

809
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: That's great. Yeah, And so he went around he was like, look,

810
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: if we do this, Britain in Spain will arm us

811
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: and then we can go fuck up the Americans. He

812
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: only partially succeeded because the US had been not all

813
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: indigenous groups were against the United States, right, Yeah, but

814
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 2: British support for his war on the US was part

815
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: of why the US went to war with Britain. So,

816
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: for whatever reasons, in eighteen twelve the US declared war.

817
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: England was like, yeah, whatever, sure, because they were busy

818
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: dealing with a Napoleon and a war in Europe. But

819
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: then when the US invaded Canada, it was still British.

820
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: So Britain was like, fine, I guess we have a

821
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: war whatever if you really want one.

822
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, really really teen girl about it?

823
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely stop. Yeah, they were like could you wait?

824
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: But fine, I'll sacrifice some of my own citizens and

825
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: murder hundreds of thousands of others.

826
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah. Well, mostly they first just armed indigenous and

827
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: black groups, which is like both like noble.

828
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: And forgetting that they're the keep forgetting that they're like

829
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: not the bad guys here.

830
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 2: I know, all right, I know, but it's like all right,

831
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: it's still like part of the reason that they're arming

832
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: all these people is that they don't want to fight

833
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: the war, you know.

834
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

835
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: Decums have died in the Battle of the Thames on

836
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: October eighteen thirteen as part of the War of eighteen twelve,

837
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: and once again, like last time, Britain looked at the

838
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: US and was like, all right, how do we fuck

839
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 2: up America? Oh right, they're on a fucking powder keg.

840
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: Let's give the guns to runaway slaves and to indigenous people.

841
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: And in the spring of eighteen fourteen, Napoleon gave up

842
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: the French throne and some shit that I haven't researched

843
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: enough yet that everyone who's listening knows more about than me,

844
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: and Britain was able to turn his attention to the

845
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 2: US War. They invaded and burned the US capital and

846
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: the White House, which wasn't called the White House yet

847
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: it was called like the President's Mansion or whatever the fuck,

848
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: and black fugitive ex slaves were their allies in that

849
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: they acted as scouts, spies, soldiers, sailors, and some of

850
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: them did the burning, which is cool as fuck. Fuck Britain,

851
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: but fuck the US.

852
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're really presented with the real trick heutory of villains.

853
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: I'm pleased. Whatever.

854
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when people fled slavery and crossed into British

855
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: controlled territory during the war, which thousands and thousands of

856
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: people did, the British helped women and children get passage

857
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: to Bermuda and to other British colonies to live free.

858
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: Black men were given a choice. They could either go

859
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: with everyone else, or they could stay and fight, and

860
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: if they did, they would be given a red coat

861
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: and a musket and they would be part of integrated

862
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 2: military units, which was not something that anyone else was

863
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: fucking thinking about at that point, right, and given a chance.

864
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: Some of them were non integrated units, but some of

865
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: them were integrated units. We'll talk a little bit more

866
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: about that, okay, And given a chance to shoot the

867
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: people who were trying to own them. And so a

868
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: lot of people were like, yeah, that sounds fucking great.

869
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: Give me a fucking gun. I want to go kill

870
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: these slavers.

871
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: Never mind this red coat.

872
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a gun. It's the point, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

873
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: but okay, Well, actually, in a weird way, the legitimacy

874
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: of the red coat meant a lot to people, a

875
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: lot of them. It was like it was kind of

876
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: a you can't fuck with us. We're under the union

877
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: jack now and like oh.

878
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like sheltered by a larger like infrastructure.

879
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because those white Americans are the most deluded people

880
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 2: in the history of the world. The British were like, hey,

881
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 2: you know what, are you mad that we stole your property.

882
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if you approach under a flag

883
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: of truce, we will give you a chance to personally

884
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: plead your case and try to get your runaway slaves

885
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: to come back to you. So and this happened all

886
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: over the United States and people kept doing it. All

887
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: of these slave owners were like, well, I'm nice to Ted,

888
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: so of course Ted will come back to me. And

889
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: so they all went under a flag of truce and

890
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: they were like, come on, Bud, remember those good times.

891
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: Oh my, you will be shocked to know that at

892
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: least in a few places, a few like like one

893
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: percent of people or something or less were like fine,

894
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: fuck it. But at least in the particular case where

895
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 2: they did it, in like Maryland, Virginia, DC area or whatever, like,

896
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: not a single person voluntarily went back to slavery, and

897
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: it no kidding that they kept trying it is the

898
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: most indicative of how deluded people are ever.

899
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, or just likeugh, god, that's so depressing and

900
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: embarrassing and just like you because that is just like

901
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: proof positive that I don't know. It feels like almost

902
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: an answer to James Madison being like, well, guys, we

903
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: shouldn't mention it, we shouldn't codify slavery because of what

904
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 3: we said earlier. It's like less self awareness than that

905
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: of like truly taking the time to delude yourself into

906
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: thinking you are both a slave owner and a good person. Yeah,

907
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: and that like you're such a good person as a

908
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: bad person that that Oh god, no, that's so embarrassing.

909
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: But also like, ugh, I would love I would just

910
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: love to read the journy in an entry after like

911
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 3: you won't believe what happened today.

912
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them. The main book about Negro

913
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: Force called The Battle of Negro Force, and it's a

914
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: really good book, and it has a lot of quotes

915
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: of like the because a lot of the specific specifics

916
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: we know about is people later writing and being like, oh,

917
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: I went today and tried to get ted back, or

918
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: or it's Ted writing being like, oh, the guy came

919
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: back or whatever and tried to get me. I want

920
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: to watch like the reality TV show not but set

921
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: then like not obviously recreating the situation. Yeah. So part

922
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: of the reason that Britain was so eager to free

923
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: folks in the US is their own honor. Britain had

924
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: always seen itself as like the bastion of liberty, which

925
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 2: is funny and ironic. But then after the US, funny

926
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: is the US? Yeah, But after the US Revolution, the

927
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 2: US was getting the reputation of being the bastion of liberty,

928
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: and so Britain loved pointing out that they're a slave society.

929
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: Had just been like, you know, who's unfree in your territory?

930
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: All of the following people, you pieces of shit. And

931
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: in the South during the War of eighteen twelve, the

932
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: ostensibly neutral Spanish were like, you know, we hate the US. Anyway,

933
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: you can set up a fort in our territory with

934
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: which to plan an attack on the US South. And

935
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: so the British did, and they set up the Core

936
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: of Colonial Marines, which is kind of our There's like

937
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: two cool people this week. One of them is the

938
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: Core of Colonial Marines, and one of them is the

939
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: Negro Fort, which is the people who remained. But we'll

940
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 2: talk about that later. The corp of Colonial Marines was

941
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: a multi racial army of black, white, and indigenous troops.

942
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: I read in one place that it was all white officers,

943
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: but then in another source I read about at least

944
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: one black guy we're going to talk about later, who

945
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: was a lieutenant. So I think that the top ranks

946
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: were white people, but there were black officers. And they

947
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: built this big, old fucking fort together, and they picked

948
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: a site called Prospect Bluff, lisas was called an English

949
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: and it's at the mouth of the apalachic Cola River,

950
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: which is totally a river I had definitely heard of before,

951
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 2: because I am definitely a geography knowing person.

952
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: It just tripped off the top.

953
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is gorgeous. Yeah, no, totally. I didn't like,

954
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: go back and make ian editor where I had to

955
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: say it again. Oh no, no, yeah. And so they

956
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: seized the area. They get this army right, and it's

957
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: like and they're like, all right, well there's this trading

958
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: post here, but fuck them. They have enslaved people anyway.

959
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: So they just show up take the area free all

960
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: the people who had been working there, and the free

961
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: people who had been working there or the unfree people

962
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: who had been working there joined as free people to

963
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: now work on the fort. And they started building, and

964
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: they built this real fuck off fort. Eventually it started off.

965
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 2: You know, they're expanding on it right by the end.

966
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: It's got high stone walls, it's got a wide moat

967
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: as stone buildings to store gunpowder and shit, all surrounded

968
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: by forest full of like swampy forest full of one

969
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: hundred foot tall pine trees.

970
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: Okay, this is some like infrastructure I'm familiar with, Like

971
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: the vaguely medieval stuff.

972
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's people hitting people with swords in this story,

973
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: you know.

974
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is my Florida.

975
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's right, Yeah, medieval Florida. And so they

976
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: went around and they went to all these indigenous groups

977
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: and all these leaders and were like, hey, do you

978
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: want a ton of guns and food and shit. If

979
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: you're down to fight the Americans who keeps stealing all

980
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: this shit from you, we will help you fight them.

981
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: Bonus points if you could also go around and tell

982
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: any enslave people, anyone who runs away from America or

983
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 2: Spain whose territory were in, they're free now if they

984
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 2: make it to us. Eventually, three thousand Muskogie warriors donned

985
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: redcoats and joined the army against their common enemy. Others

986
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: went and recruited people to slavery, and they built an army,

987
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: a really cool multi racial army. Their officer Okay, I

988
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: hate how we know more about their officer, the white officer,

989
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 2: than we do about almost any of the other people. Right, Yeah,

990
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: this guy's really fucking cool. His name is Edward Nichols,

991
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 2: and he's his irishman.

992
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm already listening.

993
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he dedicated his life to fighting slavery as well

994
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 2: as fighting for the rights of indigenous North Americans against

995
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: the American government. That was like what he did with

996
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: his life. He was wild. He was born a Protestant

997
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 2: in Ireland. Can can't help that, you know, no one,

998
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 2: no one chooses. He joined the Royal Navy at eleven.

999
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: He fought in one hundred and seven battles in his life.

1000
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: He survived starting when he was eleven. Yeah, yeah, well,

1001
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: I think by sixteen he's like really more doing the

1002
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: war stuff. I think he's like kind of like a

1003
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: ship hand or something. At the first.

1004
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: It does. I mean, he's got a he's got a

1005
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: really good like movie protagonist name. They're like, yeah, Nichols.

1006
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: Oh, he's a wild card. His lookout for Nichols. Fighting

1007
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: Nichols is his name during most of the story.

1008
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 3: Of course, he's got an Irish sounding nickname, fighting Nichols.

1009
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: That's Irish as a hell.

1010
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. During his life, he survived a broken leg, being

1011
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: shot through the torso, shot through the arm, hid in

1012
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: the head with a sword, almost killed, bayonetted through the chest,

1013
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: and lost an eye to grape shot. That one's actually

1014
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 2: gonna happen.

1015
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 3: During the story, God, you're your move recipe and that's

1016
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: wild all before antibiotics.

1017
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: He lived to be eighty five years old.

1018
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 3: That, oh God, that's the certainly the result of some

1019
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: sort of witchcraft, and celebrate that witchcraft.

1020
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 2: That's why did.

1021
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: It at any point? I mean, I'm not expecting you

1022
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 3: to know his like totally. At any point. Did he

1023
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 3: have to slow down at any point or was he

1024
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: just like this way.

1025
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 2: I don't know how much of this eighty five years

1026
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: he was fighting, you know, because I like, I like

1027
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 2: thought about it. I like ran into him and I

1028
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: was like, I wonder if I'm going to save him

1029
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: and just do him later. And I'm like, I don't know.

1030
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like, you know, if we're dis

1031
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: covering one exploit today, it sounds like you've got exploitss

1032
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: if he started when he was eleven.

1033
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1034
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the mccaullay culkin of being this.

1035
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: Guy and his abolitionism comes from religious fervor sort of.

1036
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: John Brown's style and his actions and the actions of

1037
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: everyone else that we're going to talk about today too,

1038
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: are going to inspire John Brown, who's going to specifically

1039
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: reference negro Ford, although under a different name. After the

1040
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: war in America, Nichols moves to like the mid Atlantic

1041
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: or whatever. He starts attacking slave ships as part of

1042
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: the attempt to destroy the Transatlantic slave trade. There's a

1043
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: town named after him in the Bahamas called Nichols Town,

1044
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: named by its founders, who were enslaved people he helped liberate. Okay,

1045
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: so he's cool. He wasn't in charge of the British post,

1046
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: but he was in charge of the training, teaching them

1047
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: how to fire muskets and shit and leading them into battle.

1048
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: Less than a month into the training, the Americans start

1049
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: trying to invade Pensacola, and he and his troops show up,

1050
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: and the Americans are like, in their mind, we don't

1051
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: want to invade Pensacola. We changed our mind. It's not

1052
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: we weren't even I don't know what you're talking about.

1053
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: We weren't going to invade. We were just hanging out.

1054
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 3: To kill who.

1055
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, that's weird. Yeah. The fact that white, black,

1056
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: and indigenous soldiers led by an irishman very specifically did

1057
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: the newspapers complain about that part. The fact that they

1058
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: were all fighting alongside one another scandalized the American press.

1059
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 2: The savages are taking over. Basically, something must be done.

1060
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: Nothing could be done right away because there was already

1061
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: a war. All of the getting done was try trying

1062
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 2: to happen, you know, right The US side was also

1063
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 2: arming indigenous groups. Every war the US has ever gotten

1064
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: or got up to manage to turn not only different

1065
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: tribes and nations against each other, but often split them

1066
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: internally in kind of a brother versus brother way. This

1067
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: week's story is going to be no different. There's going

1068
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: to be Indigenous people fighting on both sides of this.

1069
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: There's this asshole slaver named Benjamin Hawkins who spent decades

1070
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: quote unquote civilizing the Muskogee, encouraging them to practice chattel

1071
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: slavery of black people, and paid them bounties to catch

1072
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: fugitive slaves. So a lot of these indigenous folks are

1073
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: US allies in the War of eighteen twelve, and they're

1074
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: promised that they can keep any black people they find

1075
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: who don't already have owners. Basically, whenever they do any

1076
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: of these raids, later many of them will feel betrayed

1077
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: and switch sides. But that's later. But you know what

1078
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: else is later, Jamie, The rest of might have a

1079
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: feel it's the rest of the story because because you

1080
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: the super rat army, what are they going to do?

1081
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: You can't just read a history book or Wikipedia or

1082
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: the Wikipedia won't get you the good stuff. Unfortunately, you

1083
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: have to wait till Wednesday.

1084
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: But I want no, I'm gonna wait two whole minutes

1085
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna start recording the next Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's true. And then when we're done, I'm gonna eat dinner.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: We love to see it.

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Speaker 2: But before we do any of that, Jamie, what do

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Speaker 2: you have to plug?

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01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: I will you know? I want to plug. We the

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01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 3: Unhoused again. We've got new episodes coming out every other Tuesday.

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01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 3: It's hosted and written by the O Henderson, and we

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01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 3: have a bunch of great episodes coming out in the

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01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 3: new year. We have an episode in production that is

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01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: about living out of trailers and especially a long venice beach.

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01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: We have an episode coming out about being unhoused and

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01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 3: queer in LA. We've all this stuff coming out and

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Speaker 3: I would recommend you subscribe. And then if you want

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01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 3: to read a book about hot dogs, there's one called

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01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 3: raw Dog and it's all my faults and you can

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Speaker 3: get it, and that's what I'll plug.

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Speaker 2: And that's why forever for well, eventually people will stop

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01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: only making hot dog references when they talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Won't that be nice?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I feel

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01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 3: like that's kind of a nice thing where you're like, well,

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01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 3: this is this association is going to be forever. But

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01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 3: then you spend ten hours talking about something more specific

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Speaker 3: and worse.

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Speaker 2: And then it's that, yeah, yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 3: Life's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Life is beautiful, Sophie. What do you want to plug?

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Speaker 1: I want to plug that, Jamie said, okay, if I

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Speaker 1: plug the show for next year, Yeah, yeah, okay, I

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Speaker 1: want to plug that. We have cool Zone Media are

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Speaker 1: bringing you a weekly Loftus bring you a new show,

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Speaker 1: written and hosted, investigated and interviewed with the one and

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Speaker 1: only Jamie Loftis interviewed. I don't know if that was

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Speaker 1: a good I don't know if I did it.

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Speaker 2: I did it justice there.

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Speaker 1: It's true, though I'm not gonna tell you what it's

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01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: about because ha ha, but look for it and Mark String.

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Speaker 3: Coming spring along with the flowers. It's going to be

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01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: a blast. I'm so scared. I'm So Scared of Photography

1126
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 3: with Robert Mgpei about how to have an intense scripted

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Speaker 3: weekly podcast and it seems easy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't say, oh god, it's going to burn

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Speaker 2: you out. I said it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: You said easy, easy, easy, easy.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: But basically what I'm saying is you're fucking welcome listeners.

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Speaker 3: Look out for it.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited. Every Jamie Loftis podcast is a good one, and.

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01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 3: Every Jamie Loftis podcast is produced by Sophie Lick Driven

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01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: even better.

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01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: If you want to hear more stories, you can listen

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01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: to on Sunday. Maybe you already do because it's in

1139
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: the same podcast feed, but you can listen to cool

1140
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: Zone Media book Club where fiction and if you want

1141
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: all of the ad pivots but none of the ads,

1142
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: subscribe to Cooler Zone Media and we'll see you on Wednesday.

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01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 3: Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts and cool Zone Media,

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01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: visit our website Coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out

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