Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: It could happen here. It's it's the podcast that's happening here.
Speaker 2: That's not why we called it that. But you know,
Speaker 2: such as such as such, such as such as the
Speaker 2: world uh. And today I'm going to be talking about
Speaker 2: one of one of one of our I don't want
Speaker 2: to say rare, but we're we're doing one of our
Speaker 2: how do we put the World Back Together? Episodes And
Speaker 2: in order to do that, I'm going to be talking
Speaker 2: with Mira and Koran, who are two organizers for the
Speaker 2: Dual Power Gathering Bidwest that's happening in what like two
Speaker 2: months ish. Yeah, it's Coryan, Mira. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 3: Thanks, it's great to be on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. It's great to have you too. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I guess I should I guess we should start
Speaker 2: with so this is this is well, I don't know
Speaker 2: if seconds the right term. The first of these happens
Speaker 2: last year in Indiana? Is it last?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was last year. I had to I had
Speaker 2: to make it. I had to do a quick checking
Speaker 2: my memory to make sure that twenty twenty two was
Speaker 2: in fact last year, and we haven't. Somehow, So we
Speaker 2: got to the twenty twenty four. Already, Oh boy, things
Speaker 2: are things that things are going great here. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I wanted to, I guess start with talking about what
Speaker 2: the dual power gathering is and yeah, like what what
Speaker 2: what happened at the first one and how did it go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so dual power gathering. I guess maybe a thing
Speaker 1: to start with is what is dual power?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't talked about that in a bit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can. We explained it for new people.
Speaker 1: The maybe the best way to put it is something
Speaker 1: that maybe a lot of people have heard before, which
Speaker 1: is building a new world in the shell of the old.
Speaker 1: So we live in a society, right unfortunately, So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of institutions that we have to deal with,
Speaker 1: and for a lot of people it's essential to rely
Speaker 1: on these institutions because there's not other options. And as anarchists,
Speaker 1: it's kind of our goal to build those other options.
Speaker 1: And dual power is that building a second power in
Speaker 1: opposition to the state powers. So you know, like tech stuff,
Speaker 1: so internet, mesh, networks, just alternative infrastructures, alternative medical care.
Speaker 1: Though I'm sure that specific phrasing can imply something else
Speaker 1: which I did not mean, but.
Speaker 3: It's just.
Speaker 1: Working with communities to try to not rely on the state.
Speaker 1: And so dual power Gathering is bringing together, you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of people from orgs and independent activists and
Speaker 1: honestly people who just want to get involved and don't
Speaker 1: know a lot to help build those counter structures. And honestly,
Speaker 1: this cool Zone Media brought a lot of people went
Speaker 1: to the podcast from last year, so it seems like
Speaker 1: your audience really really likes this stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm sad. I'm sad I wasn't able to go to
Speaker 2: last year's I was in the process of like setting
Speaker 2: up for and then I had a COVID scare. It
Speaker 2: had to like lock down for like an entire week
Speaker 2: in it, and it turned out that I didn't have it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm very sad.
Speaker 1: I preferred that you didn't spread COVID.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, you know, okay, let let's let's
Speaker 2: not like endanger people's lives. That seems better than in
Speaker 2: fact doing that.
Speaker 1: And on that note, since there's been questions both other events,
Speaker 1: we will be having mass requirements and at the event
Speaker 1: to make sure the immunal compromise people are not being excluded.
Speaker 1: I want to make that clear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this is like you know, so
Speaker 2: I like the last one from my understanding, you like,
Speaker 2: you know it was it was a bunch of it
Speaker 2: was a bunch of people like camping in the dunes basically,
Speaker 2: And is this one also going to be sort of
Speaker 2: like mostly an outdoor thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's going to be We're not just going
Speaker 1: to say the location here and you can find that
Speaker 1: out through registering, but the location is just near Chicago
Speaker 1: and it's similarly outside. It's a big open space, not
Speaker 1: a lot of trees, which is sad this year. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be mostly camping, but there's cabins and people can
Speaker 1: stand in hotels nearby.
Speaker 3: Also.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess okay, we've taught, we've talked a
Speaker 2: bit about what dual power is and sort of building
Speaker 2: this kind of counterpower and building you know, like and
Speaker 2: like I guess I just want to say a little
Speaker 2: bit like these are like dual power institutions are just
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that you know, just we
Speaker 2: talk about building or like people you know or we've
Speaker 2: been involved in building and these are these these can
Speaker 2: be things like tennis unions like different like different well
Speaker 2: different like regular unions like caucuses and unions. I like
Speaker 2: mutual aid networks like worker centers and so's. You know,
Speaker 2: there's also for things that can be involved in this
Speaker 2: by so now now now having gotten we've gotten through
Speaker 2: dual power, we've sort of gotten through gathering, but we
Speaker 2: should I should, Yeah, I want to ask a bit
Speaker 2: more about like what what Okay, what what happens at
Speaker 2: the thing when you go to it?
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's built on the unconference model of doing things,
Speaker 3: which in essence is able to kind of counteract the
Speaker 3: idea that we need to have a sort of structured
Speaker 3: event that's you know, you do this at this point,
Speaker 3: you do this at this point, you do this at
Speaker 3: this point. It instead is meant to be built more
Speaker 3: towards libertarian socialist principles, and it is where people are
Speaker 3: able to kind of build their own agenda from the
Speaker 3: start of the event and kind of structure their day
Speaker 3: how they want to. So you can talk to these
Speaker 3: people to go to a skill sharing event on stop
Speaker 3: the Bleed training. You can talk to these people to
Speaker 3: go through a skill share event on how to facilitate meetings.
Speaker 3: You can talk to these folk to learn a bit
Speaker 3: about anarchist history. You know, just all these different things
Speaker 3: that can be formatted however that you may so choose,
Speaker 3: and that are all kind of happening at the discretion
Speaker 3: of people who are involved. So it's very much so
Speaker 3: just up to you to build your own day, and
Speaker 3: of course you can also talk to other people there
Speaker 3: if you need some help. Plenty of the organizer is
Speaker 3: involved are more than willing to help out and you know,
Speaker 3: lend people a hand in figuring out where everything is
Speaker 3: and what they might want to do and what other
Speaker 3: people are doing start their day around. But at the core,
Speaker 3: you know, it's built around individual choice, autonomy and just
Speaker 3: a non hierarchical method of going by it.
Speaker 1: So I can talk a little bit more about how
Speaker 1: that looked practically from last year. So the first night
Speaker 1: I wasn't there, so I can't talk much about that,
Speaker 1: but it was it was just mostly getting to know everybody.
Speaker 1: People were coming and throughout the night because work and
Speaker 1: all that on a Friday. But then that Saturday, after breakfast,
Speaker 1: which I don't even remember, it was like oat meal
Speaker 1: or something, we got together in this assembly area and
Speaker 1: brought out whiteboards and marked out days and people like
Speaker 1: just stuck up what they wanted to talk about in
Speaker 1: a session on the board in a time slot, and
Speaker 1: then we got everyone to figure out, you know, which
Speaker 1: ones of these can be condensed. You know, do two
Speaker 1: people have similar ideas, can they talk about how they
Speaker 1: might want to have a session together, And then people
Speaker 1: just chose which sessions to go to. We kept the
Speaker 1: whiteboards up so people could see what was going on
Speaker 1: and where, and that worked out pretty well. I think
Speaker 1: the biggest concern from that was people wanted to go
Speaker 1: to everything. We simply did not have time, and they
Speaker 1: were like, can we make this a week And I
Speaker 1: think that's pushing money wise. It's expensive enough to rent
Speaker 1: a campsite for a weekend, but it has.
Speaker 2: Like just a bunch of land they have sitting around
Speaker 2: they want to give to us for this.
Speaker 1: If you can, if you can make whatever ranch or
Speaker 1: farm you have like accessible for people, then yes, please
Speaker 1: reach out for future gatherings. But the most important part
Speaker 1: I think was that the gathering model allowed all different
Speaker 1: groups there who had similar interests. For example, there was
Speaker 1: a POC caucus to self organize. There's also like a
Speaker 1: sex workers group. They were able to come together on
Speaker 1: their own figure out what's going on. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: based on what organizers thought was important. It was based
Speaker 1: on what participants thought was important. And I think that
Speaker 1: also facilitated a lot of networking. You were able to see, hey,
Speaker 1: there's a DIY medicine circle going on in this campsite.
Speaker 1: Well I'm going to go maybe stop by. I might
Speaker 1: not say the whole time, but I'm going to check
Speaker 1: it out. See if I'm interested, see if I like
Speaker 1: I like the people there. And it allowed for especially
Speaker 1: newer folks to interact with veterans veteran activists and just
Speaker 1: engage with stuff they might have only felt interested in
Speaker 1: slightly and actually get involved and contribute. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how it practically went for the unconference, and we didn't
Speaker 1: hear that many complaints about it, accept that it maybe
Speaker 1: some time sessions were not time, like the time was
Speaker 1: too short or too long, or that it wasn't like
Speaker 1: a week or two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, and then that that's stuff
Speaker 2: that like it's especially the first time you're running an
Speaker 2: event like stuff, stuff like that happens, and you know,
Speaker 2: we can okay, this is I have not an enormous
Speaker 2: amount of experience running like panels and stuff. But like
Speaker 2: I've done it, and it's like God, getting the timing
Speaker 2: right is really hard and very annoying, but it's you know,
Speaker 2: this is this is a this is a thing that
Speaker 2: subsequent events will can and will sort of iterate on
Speaker 2: and get better at, because you know, I guess what
Speaker 2: what what what what of One of the things that
Speaker 2: we are in fact learning at these is how to
Speaker 2: do these things that you know, I guess in this
Speaker 2: way hasn't been done before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not i mean not technically not been
Speaker 1: done before, but not done it this way. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: like those crime think convergences or like the bashback.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, well I think it's an interesting thing too,
Speaker 2: on a sort of like I don't know, I think
Speaker 2: I think there's a way in which this is in
Speaker 2: some sense kind of getting back to like older like
Speaker 2: models of anarchist organizing that kind of like I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna say they disappeared, but there'd been sort of less
Speaker 2: of them due to like, you know, we just sort
Speaker 2: of like political shifts and like shifts in the way
Speaker 2: people organized and like just what kinds of stuff were
Speaker 2: happening at any given time and so you know, and
Speaker 2: I think that the consequence of this is a lot
Speaker 2: of people sort of relearning or you know, relearning and
Speaker 2: inventing things that like had been known. But you know, ever, ever,
Speaker 2: everyone's working through it together, and you know, it turns
Speaker 2: out we're like we're pretty good at building things.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like one thing that I think is really cool
Speaker 3: about DPG that kind of shines through is seeing how
Speaker 3: something like building an event like this, Like when I
Speaker 3: first got involved, you know, I pictured building an event
Speaker 3: like this is a huge ordeal. You know, it was
Speaker 3: you needed all these big connections, You needed to know
Speaker 3: a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy,
Speaker 3: and needed so many different resources at your disposal. It
Speaker 3: never really hit me that this could be something that
Speaker 3: just regular people could just up and decide to do.
Speaker 3: It's not to say it doesn't take a lot of
Speaker 3: effort and work. It does, but it's still ultimately something
Speaker 3: that is in the power of people to do if
Speaker 3: they really set themselves onto it and are able to
Speaker 3: find enough helping hands, both physically and in terms of
Speaker 3: the actual event. So it's like it's really cool to
Speaker 3: see just everyone coming together in the organizing process and
Speaker 3: it just being a very organic, natural thing. It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, you see it a lot with like
Speaker 3: other specific events I've done food not bomb stuff, and
Speaker 3: I've seen it there too, but like it's different when
Speaker 3: it's something that you typically for Sea, at least I
Speaker 3: did for Sea as like, oh, you know, building a
Speaker 3: whole weekend long event, you know you need, yeah, have
Speaker 3: corporate big shots doing that, you know, how can you
Speaker 3: expect the little guys to do that?
Speaker 1: And Yeah, it's also cool to see people just jump
Speaker 1: in and help who might not even have other organizing experience.
Speaker 1: This last year too, near the end of the planning
Speaker 1: for the gathering, there were so many people joining little
Speaker 1: circles on planning food and transportation logistics and how can
Speaker 1: I contribute? And I think the resounding result was people
Speaker 1: finding political hope. That was a term I heard a
Speaker 1: lot from from individuals who both went and helped organize
Speaker 1: the last one. And we're hoping to create a similar,
Speaker 1: similar thing this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's something that like, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: think I think everyone can use a bit more of
Speaker 2: right now. In a sort of in a very sort
Speaker 2: of depressing and bleak, like there's there's there's a lot
Speaker 2: of bad there's a lot of bad stuff happening, and
Speaker 2: the ability to generate hope, and I you know, you
Speaker 2: could even think of it in sort of in just
Speaker 2: in terms of like morale, right, Like it's it's really
Speaker 2: really really hard to actually achieve or change anything if
Speaker 2: everyone has just sort of given up already, and you know,
Speaker 2: like being around other people and being like planning events
Speaker 2: with people and doing stuff with people like is a
Speaker 2: very very good way to you know, just sort of
Speaker 2: break the kind of like existential dread and like depression
Speaker 2: of like living in and you know, sort of hopelessness
Speaker 2: of like living in in in this like dizzy aster
Speaker 2: that we've all been thrown into.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Something that somebody had mentioned at the last gathering
Speaker 1: that really stuck with me was that because of the
Speaker 1: uprising and COVID, most leftist organizing was formed through trauma bonding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was really nice to form relationships outside of
Speaker 1: traumatic incidents and they felt longer lasting and much safer
Speaker 1: than relationships built during crisis.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think, you know, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: like I think that's just sort of important along those
Speaker 2: lines to remember, is that like like building relationships. There's
Speaker 2: a decent extent to which that's just all organizing is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's not all organizing is, but it's
Speaker 2: it's a really important part of it, and the way
Speaker 2: that people are able to do this, especially in the
Speaker 2: wake of a bunch of like, you know, i mean,
Speaker 2: really sort of traumatic and horrible experiences people went through,
Speaker 2: like yeah, glad we have a better way to do this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, stuff like this is essentially well some of
Speaker 3: the only things that give me a sense of optimism
Speaker 3: for the future, because those who know me know I
Speaker 3: tend to be a very pessimistic person. I don't look
Speaker 3: at current events, to put it concisely, and say, oh, wow,
Speaker 3: things are going pretty topsy turvy out there. I'm so.
Speaker 3: But when we have stuff like this going on that's
Speaker 3: just built at the level of, hey, we're people trying
Speaker 3: to make things better and prevent the chaos from the
Speaker 3: outside world and the world around us from just consuming everything,
Speaker 3: It's like it gives a nice sense of the community
Speaker 3: and a nice sense of hey, we're not alone in this,
Speaker 3: and that maybe tomorrow things will be a little bit
Speaker 3: better than they were today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's especially important in my opinion. I the first gathering,
Speaker 1: I was not living in a city as I do now.
Speaker 1: I was living in not a city that people in
Speaker 1: big cities would call a city. I was in Nebraska, and.
Speaker 2: I was going to make a joke about Davenport or something,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of Daport.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So being able to meet other rural organizers in
Speaker 1: various places, especially honestly the Appalachia region, which I did
Speaker 1: not realize was so related in their struggles, was important
Speaker 1: because no matter how much I wanted to network, there
Speaker 1: wasn't really that opportunity as much as there is in cities.
Speaker 1: And in cities there's a doesn't mean you're necessarily meeting
Speaker 1: more people or people that you necessarily would like to
Speaker 1: organize with. There's just there's often more need and not
Speaker 1: necessarily more anarchists.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean, you know, it's something we've
Speaker 2: talked about before, but we we've basically built it. Well okay, well,
Speaker 2: I say we we didn't really build this, but this
Speaker 2: wholsom that we lived in, the social system that we
Speaker 2: live in has been built sort of very specifically and
Speaker 2: very deliberately to isolate people. And yeah, and you know,
Speaker 2: there's the sort of functions in different ways depending on
Speaker 2: sort of geography and like regional stuff. But yeah, like
Speaker 2: I think, I think this is you know, an important
Speaker 2: tool to sort of break that and to bring people
Speaker 2: together and to bring like I don't know, like I think,
Speaker 2: I think like another part of this we haven't talked
Speaker 2: about as much as like just like really incredible things
Speaker 2: happen when you bring people together from struggles that like
Speaker 2: turn out to be very similar. But like aren't like
Speaker 2: aren't usually involved with each other, Like aren't you sort
Speaker 2: of like not like I haven't haven't been able to
Speaker 2: sort of like link up before you get very sort
Speaker 2: of like I don't know, you get a lot of
Speaker 2: really interesting sort of like ideas and strategic stuff from it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like one thing that I've noticed, especially and because
Speaker 3: I've done a lot of small town rural organizing, is
Speaker 3: that you can kind of easily develop like very isolating
Speaker 3: communities and isolating radical cultures and like specific regions. And
Speaker 3: it's not a great pitfall and full into because you
Speaker 3: miss out of developments that might happen else sort of
Speaker 3: nice out of a lot of other things that might
Speaker 3: happening in other regions and even beyond just regions going
Speaker 3: into specific intersectional issues like different different organizers who might
Speaker 3: focus specifically on racism versus corphobia, versus ableism. Then there's
Speaker 3: all things to learn from each other. Yeah, there's all interconnectedism.
Speaker 3: When you tie that into interconnectedness of different regions, there's
Speaker 3: just a big need for things to be kind of
Speaker 3: like a large web of connectivity instead of just you know, oh,
Speaker 3: things are kept separate and now we're stuck developing on
Speaker 3: our road and that's that's never fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, I guess start circling the
Speaker 2: sort of back around to the cecific events. The thing
Speaker 2: that y'all are doing to combat this is the is
Speaker 2: the Dual Power gathering in Midwest. So I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about like, well, okay, when is
Speaker 2: this happening and also what are the plans so far
Speaker 2: for what it's going to look like and what people
Speaker 2: are going to be doing.
Speaker 1: So it's August seventeenth through twentieth, and this year is
Speaker 1: going to be pretty similar to last year. And you
Speaker 1: can also look at Dual Power West, which had their
Speaker 1: gathering earlier this summer. There's a good if you go
Speaker 1: to Sabo Media, I think it's sabomedia dot no blocks
Speaker 1: dot org or whatever the no blogs addresses. You can
Speaker 1: look it up. They did a good report back on
Speaker 1: how that went, and we'll also have a documentary if
Speaker 1: people want to learn more.
Speaker 2: Sorry that's sidetracked, but we'll we'll put links to that
Speaker 2: in the description.
Speaker 3: So right now we're soliciting a lot of people to
Speaker 3: come and bring what they have to offer to the table.
Speaker 3: We are in the end stages of setting everything up
Speaker 3: and getting everything connected, and part of that is we
Speaker 3: want people to bring over what they want to share,
Speaker 3: you know, skills, they want to share cool things they've
Speaker 3: learned about leftist history, things that are important to know
Speaker 3: for modern day society, intersectional issues, discussions, basically anything that
Speaker 3: people could think of that might be worthwhile. Come on over,
Speaker 3: bring it in. We'd love to talk to people and
Speaker 3: hear more about it. So in terms of specifics so
Speaker 3: we might have planned that is where we're currently at.
Speaker 3: We're aiming for it to be like last year in
Speaker 3: that it's a skill share event and a discussion. Like
Speaker 3: I said, of discussions and just a way for people
Speaker 3: to you share what they know with each other. And
Speaker 3: a few of us currently involved. You know, we all
Speaker 3: have our own ideas. I personally want to talk about
Speaker 3: unions and kind of be like, hey, unionize your workplace,
Speaker 3: but that's more so just me and that it could
Speaker 3: be up to anyone, but what they want to do,
Speaker 3: kind of building off the Young conference model. It's if
Speaker 3: people want it, and you know, it's not like how
Speaker 3: to be a fascist one on one, then it's welcome.
Speaker 1: Some things we predict that will happen at the gathering
Speaker 1: will probably be circles on trans healthcare and abortion care.
Speaker 1: Given recent events. Well it doesn't even it's not really
Speaker 1: recent feeling anymore. But that plus, I think much more
Speaker 1: community defense is coming up because of those, and I
Speaker 1: think as always there's all the DIY folks who come
Speaker 1: in last year. Pretty cool, and I might overemphasize how
Speaker 1: much that's a part because I'm also one of those
Speaker 1: DIY people. It's a problem and an addiction at this point,
Speaker 1: but like you know, people who wanted to just build
Speaker 1: their own car, it's cool stuff. Yeah, the the random
Speaker 1: expertise of people coming was wonderful, and that all came
Speaker 1: together in ways I don't think anyone could have predicted,
Speaker 1: like literally the showing how to use batteries and how
Speaker 1: to like in a correct way chaining them education. I
Speaker 1: have an engineering degree. A lot of this stuff was
Speaker 1: so new to me in a very good way, and
Speaker 1: I hope that similarly will come back. We can never
Speaker 1: predict leftists are wild. You never know if they're going
Speaker 1: to take to something. If we don't even know if
Speaker 1: certain people liked it because they just dropped off the
Speaker 1: mat because they were, you know, just walking to Denver
Speaker 1: or something after the gathering. But I think the gathering
Speaker 1: is our focus has been on getting people to network,
Speaker 1: and so I think what we've planned besides food, which
Speaker 1: I think we can talk about in a second, is
Speaker 1: just making sure people come away with the relationships we've
Speaker 1: talked so much about already, and trying to give people
Speaker 1: the opportunities explicitly to socialize, because we also know that
Speaker 1: people tend to be not very friendly when approached in
Speaker 1: maybe every day organizing, even though you say they should be. Maybe,
Speaker 1: but life stressful, and I don't blame people, So we're
Speaker 1: trying to make it a very friendly environment for talking
Speaker 1: to other people and trying to maybe make that the
Speaker 1: only other structured thing in the day besides meals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess I should also say that, like you,
Speaker 2: if you can do something cool and you want to
Speaker 2: go show people that something cool, you should in fact
Speaker 2: do this because it rips.
Speaker 1: Please just for me, like.
Speaker 3: Please calm and show us some cool stuff, like there
Speaker 3: is so much opportunity for amazing things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess you know, speaking of basic things, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we should talk about food a little bit because you know,
Speaker 2: food important part of all human societies.
Speaker 3: So for food, we're aiming for it to be petered.
Speaker 3: Vegan food from local restaurants along with various cooked meals
Speaker 3: as well is what we're kind of shooting for. So
Speaker 3: we're going to be covering three meals a day breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 3: and dinner, and aiming to have enough to cover everyone
Speaker 3: for the three days of the gathering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if food we have doesn't work, we also
Speaker 1: have plans to make sure that we can accommodate people.
Speaker 1: This is not far from other It's not like out
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere. We'll be able to access
Speaker 1: various stores and stuff. A lot of the gatherings would
Speaker 1: rely on the typical way of just having I don't know,
Speaker 1: some gatherings just have the food happen, they just say, well,
Speaker 1: foods on the group and that's fun and all, but
Speaker 1: we also want to ensure that there is food.
Speaker 2: And that there's like veganaction for people, which is absolutely yeah,
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Do you do you have anything
Speaker 2: else that you want to talk about about the event
Speaker 2: before we close out?
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll just say too that we are aiming for
Speaker 3: this event to be accessible to folk with disabilities, folks
Speaker 3: with children, essentially to anyone that wouldn't be interested. We
Speaker 3: want to be accessible. On our website we talk a
Speaker 3: bit more in detail about specific ways in which the
Speaker 3: site itself is disability accessible, and we also invite folk
Speaker 3: to if there's any suggestions, concerns, anything of the sort
Speaker 3: for how we can make this more accessible for people,
Speaker 3: more welcoming, more open. We invite people to come and
Speaker 3: low us know. We're still learning and still trying to
Speaker 3: do this better. So anything we can improve upon, please
Speaker 3: let us know, because we want to do right by folk.
Speaker 1: And on the note of families and kids, youth are
Speaker 1: absolutely welcome. We have some families in well, some parents
Speaker 1: specifically in the organizing right now. We hope we want
Speaker 1: kids to be able to be as involved as they
Speaker 1: want to be. Last year, I think that it ended
Speaker 1: up working out with the kids that were there and
Speaker 1: they're amazing and you can see that in the documentary too,
Speaker 1: But we want to make sure that's something we actually
Speaker 1: plan for this time, to make sure that they don't
Speaker 1: feel excluded and also that parents are able to fully participate.
Speaker 1: And yet you can see more on our website which
Speaker 1: is Dpgmidwest dot org.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll have links to that in the description too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and on there you'll see linked is our open
Speaker 1: collective where if you go there you can There's a
Speaker 1: variety of options on there, which might be overwhelming. There's
Speaker 1: a donation option if you can't come but would like
Speaker 1: to donate, and then there's tickets they don't you can
Speaker 1: use pseudonyms. It's pretty anonymous. It's fine the but and
Speaker 1: you don't have to pay necessarily. But there's a suggested
Speaker 1: donation listed on there so that we are able to
Speaker 1: afford the campsite and people don't have to pay too
Speaker 1: much upfront. Two, the camp by the campsite, I guess
Speaker 1: rent the campsite for the days and get food and stuff,
Speaker 1: and then there's options to get reserve a spot in
Speaker 1: a cabin. If there's still spots left, we don't need
Speaker 1: to have a reservation, but we're trying to make sure
Speaker 1: that it's that we're prioritizing people with those access needs.
Speaker 1: And of course our emails also listed on both the
Speaker 1: Open Collective and the website, so that'll probably be the
Speaker 1: main source for info. We also have a collective account
Speaker 1: despite the problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, do you learn learn offset do that? People,
Speaker 2: It's good, you will go far.
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, I'm thinking about making a tumbler because what's happening.
Speaker 1: But the Yeah, it's also at DPG Midwest, uh, at Collective, at.
Speaker 2: Social Yeah, and once again, this is running from August
Speaker 2: seventeenth to the twentieth. And yeah it sounds interesting. Go
Speaker 2: sign up and yeah, yeah, thank you too so much
Speaker 2: for joining us. Why am I saying us? Sorry? I
Speaker 2: just I just reflectively do the US and then I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: hold on, hold.
Speaker 1: Time there's the Royal WE and the Anarchist US.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm I'm I'm excited. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: may be there, I may not be. It depends on
Speaker 2: a bunch of scheduling stuff that I have very little
Speaker 2: control over, but yeah, other people should go. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be a good event. And yeah, thank you to again.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
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