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Speaker 2: Dual Power Gathering Bidwest that's happening in what like two

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Speaker 2: months ish. Yeah, it's Coryan, Mira. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, it's great to be on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. It's great to have you too. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, I guess start circling the

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Speaker 3: So right now we're soliciting a lot of people to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if food we have doesn't work, we also

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Speaker 1: This is not far from other It's not like out

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Speaker 1: we also want to ensure that there is food.

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Speaker 2: And that there's like veganaction for people, which is absolutely yeah,

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Do you do you have anything

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Speaker 2: else that you want to talk about about the event

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll just say too that we are aiming for

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Speaker 3: this event to be accessible to folk with disabilities, folks

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Speaker 3: with children, essentially to anyone that wouldn't be interested. We

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Speaker 3: want to be accessible. On our website we talk a

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Speaker 3: bit more in detail about specific ways in which the

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Speaker 3: to if there's any suggestions, concerns, anything of the sort

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Speaker 3: more welcoming, more open. We invite people to come and

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Speaker 3: low us know. We're still learning and still trying to

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Speaker 3: do this better. So anything we can improve upon, please

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Speaker 3: let us know, because we want to do right by folk.

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Speaker 1: And on the note of families and kids, youth are

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Speaker 1: absolutely welcome. We have some families in well, some parents

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Speaker 1: specifically in the organizing right now. We hope we want

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Speaker 1: kids to be able to be as involved as they

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Speaker 1: want to be. Last year, I think that it ended

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Speaker 1: up working out with the kids that were there and

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Speaker 1: they're amazing and you can see that in the documentary too,

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Speaker 1: But we want to make sure that's something we actually

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Speaker 1: plan for this time, to make sure that they don't

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Speaker 1: feel excluded and also that parents are able to fully participate.

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Speaker 1: And yet you can see more on our website which

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Speaker 1: is Dpgmidwest dot org.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll have links to that in the description too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and on there you'll see linked is our open

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Speaker 1: collective where if you go there you can There's a

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Speaker 1: variety of options on there, which might be overwhelming. There's

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Speaker 1: a donation option if you can't come but would like

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Speaker 1: to donate, and then there's tickets they don't you can

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Speaker 1: use pseudonyms. It's pretty anonymous. It's fine the but and

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Speaker 1: you don't have to pay necessarily. But there's a suggested

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Speaker 1: donation listed on there so that we are able to

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Speaker 1: afford the campsite and people don't have to pay too

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Speaker 1: much upfront. Two, the camp by the campsite, I guess

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Speaker 1: rent the campsite for the days and get food and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and then there's options to get reserve a spot in

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Speaker 1: a cabin. If there's still spots left, we don't need

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Speaker 1: to have a reservation, but we're trying to make sure

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Speaker 1: that it's that we're prioritizing people with those access needs.

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Speaker 1: And of course our emails also listed on both the

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Speaker 1: Open Collective and the website, so that'll probably be the

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Speaker 1: main source for info. We also have a collective account

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Speaker 1: despite the problems.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, do you learn learn offset do that? People,

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Speaker 2: It's good, you will go far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. God, I'm thinking about making a tumbler because what's happening.

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Speaker 1: But the Yeah, it's also at DPG Midwest, uh, at Collective, at.

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Speaker 2: Social Yeah, and once again, this is running from August

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Speaker 2: seventeenth to the twentieth. And yeah it sounds interesting. Go

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Speaker 2: sign up and yeah, yeah, thank you too so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us. Why am I saying us? Sorry? I

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Speaker 2: just I just reflectively do the US and then I'm like, wait,

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Speaker 2: hold on, hold.

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Speaker 1: Time there's the Royal WE and the Anarchist US.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm I'm I'm excited. I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: may be there, I may not be. It depends on

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Speaker 2: a bunch of scheduling stuff that I have very little

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Speaker 2: control over, but yeah, other people should go. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a good event. And yeah, thank you to again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this has been It can happen here. You can

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Speaker 2: find us in the usual places if they still exist

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Speaker 2: by the time this episode comes out. Oh yeah, we have.

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Speaker 2: We now have the Cooler Zone media thing. If you

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Speaker 2: been getting casino ads lately, which is kind of interesting.

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Speaker 2: hopefully will be happening soon. But that's an everything that's

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Speaker 2: we're doing. We're doing our best. We're not we unfortunately

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Speaker 2: so we have to do a bunch of stuff to

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Speaker 2: work through it. But yeah, go go out into the world,

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Speaker 2: build dual power and have a good time while you

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