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Speaker 1: Novel.

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Speaker 2: Hey listeners, I'm your host, Ellie Flynn. Before we get started,

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to let you know that this episode

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Speaker 2: contains swearing, explicit sexual language, and some upsetting scenes. It's

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Speaker 2: also a story of female empowerment and camaraderie thanks to

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Speaker 2: the women who have shared their stories with us. We

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Speaker 2: contacted the photographer mentioned in this podcast multiple times for comment,

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Speaker 2: but we never heard back. He has not been charged

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Speaker 2: with any crimes and is presumed innocent under the law.

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Speaker 2: We also contacted Playboy USA. They state that they have

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Speaker 2: asked their licensees to blacklist the photographer mentioned in this

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Speaker 2: series and that they prohibit paid to play the practice

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Speaker 2: of charging models to appear in magazines. Our research into

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Speaker 2: his association to Playboy and their statement can be heard

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Speaker 2: in episode four, Last Time on the Bike.

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Speaker 3: Like Hi, my name is Louise. He told me he

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Speaker 3: likes making pictures in the room, so I didn't think

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Speaker 3: much of it. And then your slowly, step by step

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Speaker 3: also get into the content of making nude pictures, and

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Speaker 3: I to ask him again, You're not gonna put them anywhere? No,

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Speaker 3: they're just for you. He was putting the camera down,

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Speaker 3: and after he put it down, he started his way

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Speaker 3: up from my feet and legs, kissing me upwards. I

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Speaker 3: was scared to leave at this point when I was

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Speaker 3: with him alone in the room, So what other options

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Speaker 3: do I have?

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Speaker 4: Just let him have it.

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Speaker 3: Just close your eyes and it's done.

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Speaker 2: After her shoot with Luis Gaimez, Gabriella is trying to

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Speaker 2: take her mind of what's just happened. She can't leave

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Speaker 2: the hotel yet. Her mom is on the way to

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Speaker 2: join her for a holiday when the event is over,

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Speaker 2: so for now she's start here. Thankfully, She's met a

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Speaker 2: great group of models at the event and sports them

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Speaker 2: at the hotel restaurant.

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Speaker 3: Four girls invited me to join, so we had lunch

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Speaker 3: together and we were talking about a little bit of

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Speaker 3: making pictures and shooting ideas about the background.

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Speaker 2: Gabriella doesn't tell the other models about her experience with Louise,

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Speaker 2: but she does mention that she shot with him.

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Speaker 4: One of them looks worried.

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Speaker 3: She told me, just be careful of Louise Gomez.

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Speaker 4: He has Patreon.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, my English is pretty good, but I don't understand

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Speaker 3: that word.

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Speaker 4: Can you please explain what it is?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Patreon just like an online challenge, just like only fans

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Speaker 3: Okay Patreon.

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Speaker 2: It's an online platform and subscription site where subscribers pay

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Speaker 2: to access content. Gabrielle has never heard of it, but

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Speaker 2: the other models have.

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Speaker 3: Basically, what Louise is doing with all the girls that

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Speaker 3: he's making pictures with, He's putting that onto his page

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Speaker 3: and he's getting money for that, and I was like what.

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Speaker 2: Gabriella's mind instantly jumps to the explicit photos and videos

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Speaker 2: she's shot with Louise, the content he promised her would

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Speaker 2: never go anywhere and was just for her.

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Speaker 4: Is that now online for sale?

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw up.

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Speaker 4: That's how disgusted I felt.

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Speaker 3: And at that moment, I knew that I was fucked.

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Speaker 2: Gabriella can't hide the panic on her face. She's terrified

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Speaker 2: the photos she took with Louise might end up on

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Speaker 2: the internet. She's never shot nude like that before, so

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Speaker 2: what now? Luckily the other models have an idea.

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Speaker 3: Make a recording of him definitely saying make it clear

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Speaker 3: that you do not give consent to him spreading your

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Speaker 2: A recording she can use as evidence if she ever

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Speaker 2: needs to prove that she didn't want her content being

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Speaker 3: This is the act of my life. If I can

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Speaker 3: act through this, I can be a world famous actor,

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Speaker 3: can be a Golden Globe already.

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Speaker 2: So that's exactly what Gabrielle is going to do. She's

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Speaker 2: going to confront Luis. I'm Ellie Flynn and from the

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Speaker 2: team at Novel. This is the Bunny Trap. Episode six,

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Speaker 2: We Got Him Girls, Thank you. A few days on

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Speaker 2: from her shoot with Luise, Gabriella meets him again. Her

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Speaker 2: phone is already recording.

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Speaker 6: Wait, I'll just go get my water.

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Speaker 3: Yes, good, I'm just gonna take that.

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Speaker 2: While with me.

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Speaker 3: When I entered his room, I was super nervous. I

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Speaker 2: Gabriella wastes no time getting into the reason why she

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Speaker 2: wants to speak to Luise. She wants to get on

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Speaker 2: tape that the explicit photos that he pressured her to

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Speaker 2: take won't appear online. What you're hearing is the secret recording.

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Speaker 2: Gabriella maid a warning it's upsetting to listen to.

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Speaker 6: Did you put my videos on your internet page.

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Speaker 3: Please don't because you didn't tell me.

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Speaker 6: If I'm asking you, please do not put anything online.

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Speaker 6: Because girls told me you have Patreon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, everything that goes in the magazine goes to the Patreon. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I did not know.

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Speaker 3: I thought the pictures just for the magazines.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I did not know. You didn't not tell me

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Speaker 6: pictures from the magazine come to Patreon.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I'm gonna have money for my pictures and you

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Speaker 7: can use it too.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but please do not put me here on Patreon,

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Speaker 6: because I do not know if I want anything published.

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Speaker 6: Because when you and I make the pictures, I thought,

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Speaker 6: you know, maybe just for me, So I have for

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Speaker 6: me on my computer.

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Speaker 5: No Instagram, no nothing.

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Speaker 6: Do you understand what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Oh? But because so, if not, why we do photos

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Speaker 5: for me?

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Speaker 6: I make pictures because I like making pictures for me. Okay,

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Speaker 6: But when we do normally, it's like you're gonna use

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Speaker 6: it and I'm gonna use it.

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Speaker 4: That is the way that money you do, like the motels.

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Speaker 5: It's just for me.

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Speaker 6: Listen, But when we we're shooting, I told you I

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Speaker 6: can use it or I cannot use it. You never

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Speaker 6: told me that you also have Patreon, and I did

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Speaker 6: not know, and I do not want you to use

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Speaker 6: it because I do not know if I want the

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Speaker 6: videos on the internet.

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Speaker 4: Photographer does have to tell you, like, hey, I have

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Speaker 4: a patron, or I want to open a or I don't.

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Speaker 5: Understand why not.

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Speaker 1: This is my pussy I do not want.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's your pussy, but it's the photos of

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Speaker 8: the photographer.

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Speaker 3: I felt super humiliated. You just just stop behind my back,

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Speaker 3: and how you think that you have the right to

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Speaker 3: do anything. What in the actual fucking fuck.

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Speaker 6: I just do not want my nude pictures on the internet.

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Speaker 3: Please do not do this.

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Speaker 4: Yes without my approval?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, So it's like that if you don't want that,

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Speaker 9: no one uses you, just buy it.

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Speaker 2: If you didn't quite catch that, Luise seems to be

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Speaker 2: saying that Gabriella can purchase nude pictures of herself from him.

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Speaker 3: I was just so nervous and frustrated and angry at

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Speaker 3: this point that I was ticket depressed.

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Speaker 2: Gabriella focuses. She asks Louise to delete the photos.

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Speaker 4: We can delete it.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to use it.

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Speaker 6: I do not need for me.

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Speaker 3: I just do not want them on the Internet.

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Speaker 6: Please do not put them on the internet.

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Speaker 5: Understand this?

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Speaker 6: And why am I afraid of this? My vagina is

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Speaker 6: showing and I do not want stranger people to see

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Speaker 6: me on the internet because I.

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Speaker 4: Told you at the beginning and I'm not ready. Okay,

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Speaker 4: do you understand.

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Speaker 3: I was really really careful of my choice of words.

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Speaker 3: You have to understand English is not my first language,

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Speaker 3: is my third.

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Speaker 10: So I was.

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Speaker 3: Really really careful to try to get him many many times,

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Speaker 3: to see easy answers like yes or no.

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Speaker 4: Finally, Louise offers a compromise. Okay, so what we want

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Speaker 4: to do is is this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to put it in the internet.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but I'm gonna keep the content because I.

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Speaker 5: Don't want to erase the content. If you don't.

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Speaker 7: Want to put that in the Internet, I don't want

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Speaker 7: to do it, think you, But I don't want to

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Speaker 7: erase the content.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 2: This is insane to me. It's difficult to comprehend how

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Speaker 2: Louise can be so callous when Gabriella is clearly distressed,

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Speaker 2: but at least she managed to record him saying that

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Speaker 2: he won't put her content on the internet. The conversation

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Speaker 2: isn't over yet though. What you're hear next is Louise

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Speaker 2: coming on to Gabriella on tape. It's distressing, so please

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Speaker 2: skip ahead two and a half minutes if you don't want.

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Speaker 5: To hear it.

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Speaker 1: Everything I do for you are you're gonna do for me?

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Speaker 5: You're gonna be good to me.

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Speaker 3: I am always good to you. It's covered.

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Speaker 5: I like it, totally cover.

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Speaker 6: I like this amazing body you.

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Speaker 1: Want to do.

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Speaker 11: I take everything out way.

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Speaker 5: You're so beautiful, thank you.

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Speaker 6: But let's concentrate you, see, because I want just to

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Speaker 6: finish this.

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Speaker 1: Well, that is taking out everything now.

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Speaker 3: Perfect, beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Well that's everything. Are you hungry?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very hungry. That is you say that you

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Speaker 3: want to be with me always always, Well, let's go

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Speaker 3: eat something.

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Speaker 4: But don't worry.

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Speaker 6: I'm always good to you, just like you're good to me.

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Speaker 3: Was I not good to you?

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Speaker 6: Yes, so don't worry.

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Speaker 1: You won't be all at least give me five minutes

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Speaker 1: or something.

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Speaker 4: You are hungry, aren't you?

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Speaker 5: Can you say by yourself if you're hungry? Huh? Say

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Speaker 5: hello to this? Okay?

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Speaker 3: It was the next he was trying to crest me here,

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Speaker 3: kissed me on the shoulder neckish part. He was trying

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Speaker 3: to come closer to me. Just say hello, hello, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: say hello. You can say hello.

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Speaker 5: M hmmm, yes I can say hello to this. Yes,

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Speaker 5: just a little bit. Let's go just like a five.

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Speaker 6: Minutes your hungry.

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Speaker 4: And I put my hazily set five minutes time.

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Speaker 3: I did not see that coming. I did not, so

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Speaker 3: I was like, what the fuck in my head? I

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Speaker 3: had to rewire my brain and manage a new situation.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you're a moment pets. Just use the

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Speaker 3: exact excuse of your life of them.

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Speaker 4: The thing is, I got my period.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is that is That is so bad.

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Speaker 3: But that's the thing you just say around your apparent

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Speaker 3: and men are grossed.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm glad that Gabrielle is able to

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Speaker 2: find something to laugh at in this horrific situation, but

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Speaker 2: it makes me angry that she has to make excuses

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Speaker 2: to get out of that hotel room. Yet a novel

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Speaker 2: woman having to play pretend just to get someone to

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Speaker 2: back the funk off.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, ladies, I got that.

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Speaker 12: I got it all.

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Speaker 4: I got it all. I got it all, I got

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Speaker 5: Who was I talking to you?

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Speaker 3: When I was saying that at this point, I was

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Speaker 11: We got him Ross, so we got him.

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Speaker 2: It's been years since Gabriella confronted Luis in that Mexican hotel.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't know for sure if he kept his word

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Speaker 4: It's like a whole a whole new ye, but also aside.

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Speaker 8: To the story, I guess, but he makes money off

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Speaker 4: It's so fucked up. So yeah, we're logging onto the patron.

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Speaker 4: I'm in, You're in, I'm in, right well done.

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Speaker 2: Luis's patroon, like his website and Instagram, is run under

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Speaker 2: the Moniker Universe one three seven studios. We can't see

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Speaker 8: Hul We pay one hundred pretty much one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Patreons behind a paywall and it's impossible to access any

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Speaker 4: We start scrolling, Oh, here we go, what's this?

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Speaker 2: So he's uploaded a photo of a model who's completely

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Speaker 2: more super exclusive girls coming to the Vault don't miss out.

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Speaker 2: Sign up today to get the link. The Vault the

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Speaker 2: most expensive tier of all. It promises Luis's most explicit

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Speaker 2: content for an eye watering price three thousand dollars a month.

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Speaker 8: Three thousand dollars. That is absolutely wild.

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Speaker 2: We can't see what's inside the vault, but Luise teases

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Speaker 13: One of the posts on the Patreon just has a link,

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, what the fuck?

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Speaker 2: It's a self shot video of a model masturbating with

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Speaker 4: It's clearly not from a professional shoot. Oh my god,

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Speaker 4: this is so upsetting. I know who that is. Oh

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Speaker 2: The woman in the video is someone I've come across

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Speaker 2: with him. I don't know whether she sent him that,

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Speaker 2: but somehow he's got that video and he's trying to

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe she knows about it, but my god said, she's

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Speaker 2: I recognize more faces some of the British models from

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Speaker 2: the group who called out Luis or nine and twenty

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Speaker 8: God, just more and more girls, more and more girls.

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Speaker 4: This girl as well, I know.

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Speaker 13: He's everywhere and has been everywhere. There are so.

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Speaker 4: Many girls, There are so many girls. This is so groom.

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Speaker 2: And then I support another familiar face from a post

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Speaker 2: made just five days ago. It's a model in America

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Speaker 2: who I'm due to speak to about Luis in a

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Speaker 2: few hours time. I mean, that's her, right, Yeah, that's her.

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Speaker 2: I've seen and heard now the impact of these shoots

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Speaker 2: to and that I don't know. It's it's like actually

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Speaker 2: Is it the same as the other girls I've spoken to?

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Speaker 2: The model Luise posted five days ago on his Patreon

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Speaker 2: is an American woman who we're calling Anna. She's worried

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Speaker 2: Anna was young and new to the industry when she

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Speaker 12: He had like the lanyards that said, you know, publications

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Speaker 12: for Playboy Maxim and I was like, oh, he's a

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Speaker 4: Anna says.

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Speaker 2: Louise told her she'd be great in Playboy, but she

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Speaker 4: Instead, she says he made her another offer.

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Speaker 12: He told me he had like a proposition for me.

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Speaker 12: He was like, I'll be like a sugar daddy of

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Speaker 5: What did he ask for and what did you agree

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Speaker 12: Basically just photos of myself, like touching myself or playing

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Speaker 2: It was a turbulent time in Anna's life. She just

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Speaker 2: had a bad breakup and was drinking heavily. Modeling was

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Speaker 4: She says.

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Speaker 2: Louise promised her the explicit photos she sent him would

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Speaker 2: be for his eyes only. As for their shoots, Anna

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Speaker 12: I made it clear. I was like, hey, no photos

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Speaker 12: of me topless, like I don't want anything compromising, but she.

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Speaker 2: Says that Luise level pushed her. I've seen some of

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Speaker 2: the fire ties from Anna's shoot that Louise said was

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Speaker 5: What happened on that photo shoot.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I'm sure that I was drunk. I don't

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Speaker 12: good for me, It wasn't healthy. It's hard because I

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Speaker 12: want to share, you know, because I want If I

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Speaker 12: you know. But at the same time, it's like stuff

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Speaker 2: Anna doesn't want to talk in detail about her shoot

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Speaker 2: with Louise, but she says they did end up shooting

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Speaker 2: much more explicit content than she'd planned to, so now

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Speaker 2: Louise didn't just have the photos and videos that she'd

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Speaker 12: He kept assuring me, no, babe, like, that's for my

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Speaker 12: eyes only. You think I'm gonna put you on a

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Speaker 12: porn website? Ha ha ha, like acting like it was

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Speaker 12: I want to have another career. This isn't my ultimate goal, Like,

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Speaker 12: I do not want photos of me out there, And

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Speaker 2: But then a friend of Anna's got in touch. He'd

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Speaker 2: I was furious. She'd never imagined her photos would end

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Speaker 12: I showed him a picture. He just denied it. He's like,

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Speaker 12: where's that published? That's not anywhere. I'm like, it's right

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Speaker 12: in front of my fucking face. What are you talking about.

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Speaker 12: There's literally a picture of you know, my vagina just

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Speaker 2: Anna wanted to know what else Louise was prepared to sell,

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Speaker 12: That's when shit got real messy, because my friend kind

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Speaker 12: of started conversing with him and was like, Oh, I

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Speaker 12: like this girl, right. He's like, Oh, if you send

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Speaker 12: me four thousand dollars, I'll send you a video.

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Speaker 2: Of her, a video, a video she says he'd promised

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Speaker 2: was for his eyes only. According to Anna's friend, Louise

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Speaker 5: How did you feel when your friend told you that?

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Speaker 12: I was pretty broken. It just made me feel really

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Speaker 12: fucking dumb. I'm not sure what the word is. It's

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Speaker 12: not like grooming, when you know, predators groom a young child,

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Speaker 2: Her friend set her up with a lawyer who helped

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Speaker 2: her send Louise a ceased desist letter. Louise reacted badly.

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Speaker 2: Anna says he told her that he'd only removed the

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Speaker 12: It's a whole plan he has. It's a whole scheme

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Speaker 12: that he's got going I just thought, Wow, that just

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Speaker 2: When Anna refused, she says Louise made her account offer,

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Speaker 12: He basically said that, in the spirit of closing this

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Speaker 12: to accept a thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Payment, one thousand dollars to remove explicit content that Anna

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Speaker 12: That's fucking ridiculous and I'm not going.

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Speaker 5: To do that.

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Speaker 2: So that's why Anna's photos are still on Louise's Patreon,

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Speaker 2: the same photos we just saw. Anna's moved on with

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Speaker 12: I finally did contact him maybe three months later, and

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Speaker 12: I just said, like, I cannot believe how evil you

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Speaker 12: get what's coming to you, and he just blocked me.

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Speaker 12: I'm really frustrated with how powerless I feel. God, I'm

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Speaker 12: just you know, talking about it now. I'm like, I

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Speaker 10: You know, I really don't want you to feel stupid.

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Speaker 10: You are not the only person that has experienced this.

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Speaker 10: You're not the only person that he's done this too,

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Speaker 10: and this is all on him. So please don't blame

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Speaker 4: Because Anna isn't alone.

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Speaker 2: We've spoken to multiple models who've been caught out by

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Speaker 2: they do give Luise the right to post content like

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Speaker 2: use images from their shoots and also quote any other content,

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00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: so Luis could maybe even argue that he's allowed to

448
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: use the explicit content sent by models for his eyes only.

449
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: The contracts also grant Luis the right to post that

450
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: content wherever he wants. They're so broad that he can

451
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: post to quote any and all media, so Luise could

452
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: argue that he's allowed to post content to Patreon, for example,

453
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: and even make money off it. Legally, it could be

454
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: difficult for the models to argue that Luis is doing

455
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: anything wrong, but regardless of legalities, this is morally and

456
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: ethically fucked. Many of the models we've spoken to say

457
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: Luis pressured them into signing contracts. Many say they didn't

458
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: know or understand what they were signing. Many say Luis

459
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: level pushed them into taking more explicit photos, photos that

460
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: Luise can now do whatever he wants with if Luise

461
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: knows models like Anna yesperbably don't want these pictures online,

462
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: if they've explicitly told him that he can't possibly give

463
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: a shit. All Louise seems to care about is getting paid.

464
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: It's all so bleak. I feel really shaken up by

465
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: discovering Louise's patron and speaking to Anna. I call Eleanor

466
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: for a debrief. Nobody is stopping him, and he's getting

467
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: away with it. It feels like he is caring less

468
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: and less. He thinks that he's untouchable.

469
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. I agree.

470
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: This proves like the trauma doesn't for so many reasons,

471
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: doesn't end with that photo shoot. It's not just one

472
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: awful experience. It's not just a bit of level pushing.

473
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: It's a prolonged abuse of his position that it's just

474
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: it's really really upsetting. It's horrific financially, it's sexually, it's

475
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: all about him getting what he wants, and he is

476
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: just trampling over people's lives in the process.

477
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Speaker 8: Yes, I feel that we have responsibility to these women.

478
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 8: There are so many of them. We're at the point

479
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 8: now where people are referring their friends to us. The

480
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 8: modeling community is very close, like there's a really strong,

481
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 8: powerful sisterhood, and I actually find it quite frightening how

482
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 8: many lives he has affected.

483
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: I just I can't I can't understand what it's going

484
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: to take to stop this man. I want to catch

485
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: up with some of the other women I've seen on

486
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: Luis Gomez's patron including Emily and Herra from the group

487
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 2: of models who spoke out about Luise in twenty twenty.

488
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: They might not even know that Louise is profiting from

489
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: their photos, and I need to tell them.

490
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: I go to see Hera.

491
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: She was one of the WhatsApp group's leaders when Louise

492
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: and Herra shot together.

493
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: She was very new to modeling.

494
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: It was during the pandemic, she was out of work

495
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: and she'd started an OnlyFans to support her family. HERA

496
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: says her shoot with Louise was a horrible experience. She

497
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: says he pushed her into shooting open leg images before

498
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 2: sexually harassing her afterwards. But now years on, Louise's posted

499
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: dozens of explicit images from their shoot on his Patreon,

500
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: and as if that's not bad enough, he repeatedly uses

501
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: her real name in the posts, which she never shares online. Ever,

502
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: it can be really risky for glamor models to share

503
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: their real identities, and nearly everyone we meet uses an alias,

504
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: but Louise has exposed hera. He's also promoting her images

505
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: on x formerly known as Twitter. He's shared one of

506
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: her open leg photos on there. He's covered her intimate areas,

507
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: but you can clearly see her face. His caption teases

508
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: that you can find the uncensored image on Patreon. I

509
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: go to see her on a gray and rainy day

510
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: and I'm absolutely dreading telling her so I felt. He

511
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: posted this last month.

512
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Speaker 11: Oh my god, are you kidding on Twitter.

513
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: With a link to his patron.

514
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 10: Wow.

515
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: Sorry, mh.

516
00:30:50,920 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 14: Okay, but it's like, do you know I was for

517
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 14: something I did for such a short period of time

518
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 14: it haunts you.

519
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 11: You feel so betrayed, like I didn't deserve that. I

520
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 11: knew that I didn't want to do it forever because

521
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 11: I have children, and you know, it's I don't want

522
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 11: that stuck to me. I don't want to be attached

523
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 11: to that anymore. And then you know, you've got something

524
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 11: like that that pops up and you just think, and

525
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 11: someone's just posting it, like I don't know if like

526
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 11: my child's friend would see, you know, like it's not

527
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 11: ever going to fully go away. And I've not even

528
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 11: seen that, not seen it. I've not you know, it's

529
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 11: just it's just absolutely awful. But I didn't even ask

530
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 11: for it to go anywhere. I just wanted to support

531
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 11: my family, And like, what do I even do with that?

532
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 11: What can I do with this? That's the thing. It's

533
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 11: completely out of my control. And that's what's scary is

534
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 11: not being in control. It's something that you have concerned over,

535
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 11: like that's my body, Like how dare that's something that

536
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 11: I would only I'm allowed to share with people, no

537
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 11: one else, And it's just such a oh, I can't

538
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 11: even I cannot even like I'm so angry.

539
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: For me what I found most.

540
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Speaker 2: Upsetting and I think despicable is the fact that this

541
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: has come do you years after you publicly said I'm

542
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: unhappy with them and I don't want you to use them,

543
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: and I wish they'd never been taken, and I can't

544
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: understand how someone can still be publishing them after you've

545
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: explicitly said that, and seeing a photo of you that

546
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: you've never seen to be posted on Twitter, like, it's just.

547
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 11: Oh, it's the not knowing and not having the control

548
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 11: and not being able to stop.

549
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 4: That is really.

550
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 11: Terrifying.

551
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: In London, I meet up with Emily.

552
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: She's the first model I met who started off my

553
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: investigation into Luise. I recognized Emily in a video tased

554
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: on Luise's Patreon account. It's of her engaging in a

555
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: sex act. Okay, so we found some what looks like

556
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: it's going to be videos of you on his maturan account.

557
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't have access to the videos themselves because he's

558
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: charging between either three hundred and eighty three pounds a

559
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: month or seven hundred and sixty five pounds.

560
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 4: A month, absolutely vile.

561
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: But there's a screenshot of one of them that I

562
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: can see, So is that you.

563
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's me? That's from twenty twenty. That's from my

564
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 9: birthday in twenty twenty with the next boyfriend.

565
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 4: I'm literally shaken.

566
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Speaker 9: That was filmed on my iPhone, this iPhone actually, so

567
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 9: he has played no part in filming or being party

568
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 9: to that. I don't think I hadn't even shot with

569
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 9: Luis at this point, So this content doesn't belong to him.

570
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 4: And he's selling that video for.

571
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 9: Seven hundred plus pounds, like that's almost my mortgage payment,

572
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 9: you know, Like that's ridiculous. Oh, it's actually making me shake.

573
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 4: Have people paid him for this? That's absolutely vile.

574
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: Crucially, unlike Anna, Emily says she never signed a release

575
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: form that might allow Luis to post this. Watching out

576
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: about the law around him using that content and charging

577
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: that amount of money for it.

578
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 9: Going based purely on our insurrections that we have had.

579
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 9: They haven't been pleasant. He obviously doesn't like me. People

580
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 9: obviously prosecuting people for this.

581
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: What Emily is talking about is image based sexual abuse,

582
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: when someone shares explicit photos or videos of another person,

583
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: often online, without their consent.

584
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 9: He probably thought I was never going to see this.

585
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 9: I'm so angry. I'd like unlost for words.

586
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: Would you like to see him prosecuted.

587
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 9: I would if I had a chance, I would happily

588
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 9: stand up in a court and tear him to shreds.

589
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 4: Because I know there's people who back me up.

590
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: It's not just me.

591
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: Could some of what Louise has been doing be image

592
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: based sexual abuse? I want to understand whether Emily, who

593
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: says she never signed a release, and some of the

594
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: other models could have a case against Luise if they

595
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: never gave legal consent. So I go with my producer

596
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: Eleanor and Emily to meet a legal expert, water or anything.

597
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: My name is hans A Charinka. I am a lawyer

598
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: both here in England and Wales and in California. I

599
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: work at a law firm called McAllister Olivarius, which specializes

600
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: in representing victims of discrimination, harassment and image based sexual abuse.

601
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: While we're getting the microphone set up, Hansa explains that

602
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: he isn't acting as Emily's lawyer. He can only give

603
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: us general advice based on his experience working with victims.

604
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: Emily explains her story.

605
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 7: I was given an opportunity to work with a photographer

606
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 7: who was well known in the UK and America, along

607
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 7: with a lot of other girls.

608
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: She tells Hansa about the level pushing on her, shoet

609
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: with Luis, that she didn't sign a release form, and

610
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 2: how she's found out that he's shared a sexually explicit

611
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: video of her from twenty twenty on his Patreon account.

612
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 2: Hansa says that the laws dealing with image based sexual

613
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: abuse are complex.

614
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: There's a patchwork of legislation and court made laws that

615
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: kind of define the legal parameters of this situation. It

616
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: doesn't cover the taking of the photographs, it doesn't cover

617
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: the retention of those photographs, and it only covers distribution

618
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: of those images with the intent to cause the victim distress.

619
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: Basically, to make a case for image based sexual abuse,

620
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: Emily would need to prove that the video was shared

621
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: without her consent and with an intent to cause her harm.

622
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: But Hansa says intent is a very difficult thing to

623
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: prove in a courtroom.

624
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes a perpetrator in their defense say, oh, I didn't

625
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: do it to cause her distress. I just did it

626
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: to show off to my mates that I had sex

627
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: with a hot girl. I didn't. Oh gosh, the last

628
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: thing I would want to do is to cause her distress.

629
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: The laws in the UK did change recently. They were

630
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: actually strengthened in January twenty twenty four. You now no

631
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: longer need to prove that the perpetrator intended to cause

632
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: you harm. But the new laws only apply to offenses

633
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: since January, so they're no help to Emily. And to

634
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: further complicate things, Luis is a US citizen living outside

635
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: of the UK and so it'd be tricky to prosecute

636
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: him under UK law anyway.

637
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: It is very common in my experience for victims of

638
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: image based sexual abuse to find very little by way

639
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: of legal recourse where they're in a different country from

640
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: the perpetrator, and so the law still has a lot

641
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: of catching up to do in terms of how to

642
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: tackle internet crimes or crimes and civil wrongs that have

643
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: an online aspect.

644
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: What needs to change do you think for women like

645
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: Emily to be able to see justice more easily.

646
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: A whole lot of things, to name a few. I

647
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: think that there needs to be greater awareness of the

648
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: problem as a whole, of the specifics of the types

649
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: of challenges that sex workers face, the sort of abuse

650
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: that can happen in those circumstances, how deep seated shaming

651
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: of the sex industry can result in very real barriers

652
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: to justice. I think the police need to be better

653
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: resourced and better trained with not just their handling of

654
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: sexual crimes, but also of their handling of online crimes

655
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: and online evidence.

656
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 2: So many of the cases reported to the police eventually

657
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: get dropped. In fact, between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty

658
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: one in England and Wales, more than a third of

659
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: image based sexual abuse cases were dropped by the victims themselves.

660
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: Only six point two percent led to a suspect charged

661
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: or summoned to court. So Hansa says that for some

662
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: victims pursuing justice in the courts isn't the best way forward.

663
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Speaker 1: I have advice people do not pursue legal recourse in

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Speaker 1: the past. It's difficult advice to give because fundamentally, I

665
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Speaker 1: in many of those cases, believe that there should be

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Speaker 1: legal recourse for them to pursue. But with the difficulties

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Speaker 1: not be successful. The actual reality of seeing a case

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Speaker 1: I would say, by definition, is retriggering of the trauma,

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Speaker 1: and I've seen firsthand how traumatic that can be for

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Speaker 1: many people to recount the ways that they were sexually

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Speaker 1: the whole world to potentially see.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. At this point, everything feels pretty hopeless.

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Speaker 2: It seems so hard for Emily and all the other

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Speaker 2: models to get legal justice. And even if they sink money,

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Speaker 2: time and emotional energy into this, what are the chances

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Speaker 2: that would be found guilty when the odds are stacked

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Speaker 1: There are different parts of justice. Justice is an amorphous term.

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Speaker 1: Different people give you different interpretation of what justice means.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't always mean going to court.

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Speaker 2: So is there a different path to justice here? What

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Speaker 2: does Emily want? What would you like to achieve from this?

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Speaker 2: So as we come to the end of this investigation,

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Speaker 2: is there anything that you're hoping can come from this?

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Speaker 7: I would love closure. I would just love even an

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Speaker 7: apology for his behavior, for not only to myself, rather

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Speaker 7: than just that you've been naughty, slap on the wrist

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Speaker 7: of if you go continue doing exactly what you've been

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Speaker 7: doing this entire time, there needs to be some consequence.

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Speaker 2: And so that's what we set out to do. In

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Speaker 2: our final episode. We're going to track down Luis and

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Speaker 2: make him face the music coming up on the final

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Speaker 4: I'm just hoping that he's not suspicious and that we

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Speaker 5: Ah.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe that this is all finally happening. Feels

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Speaker 2: so so surreal. Thanks to the women who shared their

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Speaker 2: stories with us. We contacted Luis Gomez multiple times for comment,

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Speaker 2: but we never heard back. He has not been charged

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Speaker 2: with any crimes and has presumed innocent under the law.

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Speaker 2: We also sought comment from Playboy USA. They declined our

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Speaker 2: request for an interview, but stated that they asked their

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Speaker 2: licensees to blacklist the photographer mentioned in this series and

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Speaker 2: that they prohibit paid to play the practice of charging

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Speaker 2: models to appear in magazines. The Bonnie Trap is produced

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Speaker 2: by Novel. For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio.

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Speaker 2: The show is hosted by me Ellie Flynn. You can

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Speaker 2: find me on social media by searching my name that's

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Speaker 2: eble l I E Fly double N. This season is

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Speaker 2: produced by Elena Biggs and written by me Ellie Flynn

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Speaker 2: and Eleana Biggs. Our assistant producer is Amalia Sortland, with

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Speaker 2: additional production from Lee Meyer and Saskia Collette. Additional research

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Speaker 2: by Valeria Rocker. The editors are Georgia Moody and Austin Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Max O'Brien and Craig Strachan. Our

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Speaker 2: fact checker is Fendall Fulton. Production management from Scherie Houston

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Speaker 2: and Charlotte Wolf. Sound design, mixing and scoring by Daniel

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Speaker 2: Kempson and Nicholas Alexander. Music supervision by Nicholas Alexander, Eleanor

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Speaker 2: Biggs and Max O'Brien. Original music composed and performed by

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Speaker 2: Jake Long, and additional production by Nicholas Alexander, Louisa.

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Speaker 4: Gersteine and Daniel Kempson.

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Speaker 2: The series artwork was designed by Christina Limcol Willard Foxton,

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Speaker 2: its creative director of development.

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Speaker 4: Anna was played by Megan Martin

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