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Speaker 2: Look at us, snow tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this morning combat. Hey, it's the thirteenth of March

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. You ain't got no job, you ain't

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Speaker 1: got us to do, so you might as well just

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Speaker 1: be here with us. Hi, everyone too, idiots here to

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Speaker 1: help you today. My name is Luke Thomas. I join

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Speaker 1: you from the capitol of the status anitos right here

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d s. He joined by my friend from

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Speaker 1: the Great Well I will say great White North, but

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Speaker 1: something kind of close to it, a place that white forgot.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of white people in Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: Luke, O, that's a lot of snows. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of snow too. There's a lot of snow. It's Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas, I'm back. Let's do this

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Speaker 2: thing'll tech tech problems. Luke almost almost sunk my battleship.

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Speaker 2: But you know, unlike unlike Jack at the end of

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Speaker 2: Titanic spoiler alert, Luke, I was not only not cold,

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Speaker 2: but I was able to survive. So I'm very excited

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I did try to leave you in the icy water,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't work this time. Yeah, not my fault.

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Speaker 1: We almost didn't have a show today. About forty five

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Speaker 1: But we actually figured it out.

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Speaker 2: Well do you know what I fixed it. Here's the

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Speaker 2: here's the here's the recommendation for anybody out there. Just

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Speaker 2: restart your laptop. It fixes everything, dude. Right, It's like

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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's like go back to the drawing

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Speaker 2: board sometimes in your life. You got to do that too, Luke. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but happy to be here with with our peeps, all

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Speaker 2: all these people who subscribe to us, because you know,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Luke, they know deep

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Speaker 2: they think we're just cooler versions of that. So it look,

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Speaker 2: if this is the family we've built, Luke, you know

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Speaker 2: I'm here for it.

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Speaker 1: Brother. All right, yeah, same, same. So we have a

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Speaker 1: fun show plan for you today. Obviously, we have a

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Speaker 1: lot from the weekend to get over or get too.

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Speaker 1: I should say. There was belt Or on Fried. There

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Speaker 1: We'll get to all three of those, So thumbs up

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Speaker 1: If not, you can pound saying, of course, if you

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Speaker 1: had Showtime over the weekend, you got to see both

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Speaker 1: Belatour and tim Zuo. Although bcly we just saw the

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Speaker 1: ads for Plant Benavidez that one will be on Showtime

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Speaker 2: Let me say this episode one of All Access Benavidez

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Speaker 1: Haven't seen it yet. I still haven't seen it.

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Speaker 2: It debuted Friday on Showtime. You can catch it now

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Speaker 2: And all I have to say is, like, if you

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Speaker 2: So he's like, no, I'll actually kill that man, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm like, okay, bro, We're just yeah, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, take it easy. So that's that owner. Remind everyone

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Speaker 1: about that as well. Let's see, we have MERCHBC. We

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Speaker 2: We're talking about bomber jackets. Look, these bomber jackets are

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll get nothing from it at all. I

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Speaker 2: haven't even heard from RJ in weeks Luke. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: Right now, here's the thing. Your record still sucks, but

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Speaker 1: let's go through it. We both started off quite badly

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Speaker 1: That's an over us there. In our favorites, I picked

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Speaker 1: You picked Julius and Gliscas. He also lost in that one,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. On the underdog, I whiffed. Here go Chiyamuchi. Nope,

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Speaker 1: that fight went about five fucking seconds.

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Speaker 2: He'll never walk again. Great job, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Helso might never walk in. You picked Alexander Volkov

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Speaker 1: Winter Winter Chicken Dinner, that was one of them. That

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Speaker 1: that did not happen. I had picked for my KO

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Speaker 1: or subbed it, says Barzola Perez. No, No, I had, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's not right, but I didn't have it either. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you freestyle, Luke. To be fair, you freestyled during

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Speaker 2: the show. You gave Mikey different picks and it wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Matter, It wouldn't matter. Either one was wrong. But I

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Speaker 1: Ended this up, so it wouldn't have qualified anyway. But you

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Speaker 2: I want to I do have Allie Gates or blood

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Speaker 2: Luke check check check. Okay, I'm not going away, little

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Speaker 2: by little, I'm coming back.

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Speaker 1: All right, little, I turned in a whopping. I mean,

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Speaker 2: What we learned is that neither of us are actually

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Speaker 2: That's what we're trying to figure out. I just came

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Speaker 2: back to it. I gained back two picks this week,

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Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens this weekend as UFC returns

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Speaker 2: to London with a pretty damn big pay per view.

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Speaker 2: What else is going on this weekend in combat?

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Speaker 1: Let's just remind folks the pregame preview with Chuck Mindenhall

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Speaker 1: for UFC two eighty six. It came out yesterday. It's

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Speaker 1: out now YouTube dot com. Slash Morning Combat that is out.

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Speaker 1: Go have a gander, take a Look, we always have

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Speaker 1: fun sitting down with the iceman, Sir Charles himself, and

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Speaker 2: We filmed that directly after we filmed the UFC. John

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Speaker 2: Jones pregame preview, so we were a little extra saucy.

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Speaker 2: So if you come to MK and pregame preview to

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Speaker 2: hear like educated breakdowns from Luke and Chuck about who

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of BC humor in it,

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Speaker 2: and that's just look you want to you want to

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Speaker 2: feed me tiger thick whiskey, That's what happens.

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Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, fair enough. You guys were boozing. It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it. That's up there for everyone

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Speaker 1: I say otherwise you're an idiot. How about that? All right?

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Speaker 1: Very good BC. Youre ready to get this party started?

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Speaker 1: not at all. He ran over him, question Mark, kick

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Speaker 2: I think he's getting there, if not already, I mean,

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Speaker 2: the evidence says yes up to this point. The name,

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Speaker 2: then you break out a freaking question mark kick and

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Speaker 2: this guy's sick. And of course he has the last

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Speaker 2: But unlike the rest of the Abdulman app tree of fighters,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two things about that victory. I really just want

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Speaker 1: He slipped on it, but the setup was brilliant. He

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Speaker 1: And you know, yes, Big John got the call wasn't

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Speaker 1: right that you know what has Benson Henderson showed great durability,

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Speaker 1: six now if you got if you think Usbin can

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Speaker 1: But de Charles Olivera that's a maybe for me, Dustin

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Speaker 1: but they kind of shuffle all in that space. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: If he keeps going. And this tournament's got got some

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Speaker 2: show us just where he ranks in the world, you know,

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Speaker 2: So it's a lot of fun watching this guy so head,

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Speaker 2: he's so poised for twenty four. It seems to have

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Speaker 1: It's a little harder to say. I've never made a

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Speaker 2: Well, we're talking about aj McKee, Patricio Pitbull, We're talking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in discussion. The thing is he's those guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they just got more experienced against more

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Speaker 1: But as he writes it into the back, Usbin just

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Speaker 2: One of the better that's one of the better signings

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Speaker 1: Also, I'll give credits to Beltour on the matchmaking. This

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Speaker 1: That's how a tournament should start, just sort of a

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Speaker 2: palsy and that's why he he had to save the

428
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Speaker 2: guilo in that way. Luke. But I hope that think.

429
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Speaker 1: That's going to get me out of not calling you Eggshen.

430
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Speaker 1: You're very wrong.

431
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a tick. It's to tell Luke.

432
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,560
Speaker 2: You know, I get really excited that things starts going,

433
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

434
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah. The thing is, you don't have Bell's palsy.

435
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,640
Speaker 1: You're just You're just a mongrel.

436
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,240
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you always wonder growing up when you

437
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,640
Speaker 2: drink the tap water as aggressively as I did, Luke,

438
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,080
Speaker 2: not just in my hometown but wherever I go. You know,

439
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,600
Speaker 2: what is there a price to pay for that?

440
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. I'm all right again, we'll see

441
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,520
Speaker 1: how it goes in the next stage of the tournament. BC. Now,

442
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 1: speaking of Benson Henderson, let's go to topic number two here.

443
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,919
Speaker 1: Benson Henderson retired following this loss. He'd basically said there

444
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,640
Speaker 1: was a demand he'd put himself about the last four

445
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 1: flights of the contract he had and had to go

446
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: a certain way for him to keep going, and they didn't,

447
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 1: so he called it a day. BC, he had quite

448
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 1: the run in mixed martial arts. In fact, our friend

449
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 1: Sean El Shaddy over at MMA Fighting, who of course

450
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 1: has been covering Benson's career in a more noted way

451
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 1: given their both proximity of being in Arizona, he put

452
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Speaker 1: together a list of all the things that Benson Henderson

453
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 1: had done ready for this. Here's his hit list after

454
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 1: seventeen years in the game. He beat Serrony twice. He

455
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 1: beaten a DS remember four a title shot on Fox.

456
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: He beat Frankie Edgar twice, Jorge Masvidol, Patricio Pitbull. Although

457
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 1: that one's a little dicey, Gilbert Melendez does count. Yeah,

458
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 1: it does count, Gilbert Melendez. Josh, that was close fight too,

459
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,920
Speaker 1: Josh Thompson, Clay Greta, and Jim Miller was a WEC

460
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Speaker 1: champ and a UFC champ. BC. Surely you would agree

461
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Speaker 1: Benson Henderson is one of the best lightweights in MMA history.

462
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Speaker 2: Yeah. In that I like when you break down the resume,

463
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: like the way you did because it's like he's all

464
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 2: he's become one of the sneaky best, and it's not

465
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Speaker 2: by disappearing from the sport. I mean, look, going from

466
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Speaker 2: UFC or Belatore as a big name free agent at

467
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Speaker 2: the time that he did, where he still had something

468
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: to give. I mean, he ended up fighting for the

469
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 2: title three different times in Belatour in two different weight classes. Overall,

470
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 2: he never went away. But I think because he had

471
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Speaker 2: lasted so long, you sometimes forget how great he was

472
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Speaker 2: at the peak of his powers, and Luke at the

473
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Speaker 2: peak of his powers for this division lightweight, although of

474
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 2: course he did go up to welterweight at times, so durable,

475
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: you know, ahead of the game in some aspects, the

476
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: attention to detail on the calf, kicking attacks and that

477
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 2: kind of stuff big for the weight class, was in

478
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: such memorable fights. You know, of course he ate the

479
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 2: showtime kick, but like was in such great memorable fights

480
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: through that run that when we talk about the greatest

481
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 2: lightweight because Abibe had just kicked that door open and

482
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: went on the run he did, and you're like, oh,

483
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 2: is it a bib Is it bj Penn? What are

484
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: we doing here? Even when we try to make those

485
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: those rankings real quick, Luke. We tend to forget about Benson,

486
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Speaker 2: and to be able to still be at this level

487
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 2: at thirty nine in a one million dollar tournament with

488
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Speaker 2: a major promotion and fighting for a world title shows

489
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Speaker 2: you that other side of legacies that we don't always

490
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: talk about, Like everybody's got a peak, everybody's got a prime.

491
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can extend it later than others. Sometimes you

492
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: can resurrect it and have another twilight. I give a

493
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Speaker 2: lot of credit though, to those guys who already did

494
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 2: big things with Benson, which Benson did, but never gave

495
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: up and stayed at it. And look, he kept at

496
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: a very high level. I mean, even if he lost

497
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 2: these these big step up fights in the second half

498
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: of his career, you know he was in those. He

499
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: was durable, He was tough, a very special career that

500
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: it's weird, like it's kind of like it's a whole

501
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: hum nature in a way, because he's so quiet and reserved.

502
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: He's never been a big, flashy interview. So again, sometimes

503
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 2: you can forget about what he did, but please don't,

504
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: please go back and watch. I mean, look, remember those

505
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Speaker 2: two Edgar fights, Remember that one title fight they had

506
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Speaker 2: in China. I think it was like sneaky, great fight.

507
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been in some great ones, and I

508
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: hope that that he's receiving those flowers. I know he's

509
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: gonna focus now in his wife's career and that's a

510
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: cool family story there. But I hope, I hope those

511
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: bouquets showed up at his front door. Look, he deserves it,

512
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: all right. I'm you know, if I only had a

513
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: toothpick here, I would I would do the full tribute.

514
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: I really would.

515
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's a there's no doubt he's one

516
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Speaker 1: of the best lightweights in MMA history. And even some

517
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Speaker 1: of the wins I didn't mention. For example, he had

518
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Speaker 1: wins over Anthony Ingecal Fannie and wec hit a win

519
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: over Shane Roller. Shane Roller, I think was a multiple

520
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: time All American out of Oklahoma state. Part of the

521
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: initial with him and Johnny Hendrickson and I think some

522
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: other guys. They were part of Team Takedown. There were

523
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: these guys who were trying to sign all the best

524
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: collegiate wrestlers who weren't going to go on to freestyle

525
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: and turn them into MMA fighter. Some of them worked out.

526
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Speaker 1: Some didn't. Shane Roller, ultimately I don't think had the

527
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Speaker 1: best career, but was a very difficult fight, certainly in

528
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, and he whipped up over and

529
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Speaker 1: then beat Seroni, then beat Jamie Varner, then beat by

530
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Speaker 1: the way loses. You mentioned the showtime kick loses that

531
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Speaker 1: goes to UFC as everyone migrated over. First fight he

532
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 1: gets in UFC was the very talented Mark Bochik, one

533
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: of the best Canadian grapplers certainly at that time, a

534
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: black belt, very well respected, and bets and Henderson beat him.

535
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Speaker 1: Then he beat Jim Miller as we mentioned. Then he

536
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Speaker 1: beat Cleay Gita, then Frankie Edgar twice, Frankieger twice back

537
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Speaker 1: to back. Then they did as then.

538
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Speaker 2: Japan first Eggar fight Japan not chrya meaning meaning.

539
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Speaker 1: But he yeah. But here's the issue with that he

540
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: runs up against. It's not I mean, and again I'm

541
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Speaker 1: not even mentioning the fact that he beat rustm Habilov

542
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: as well, like he beat really good fighters Miles Jerry

543
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: and so forth. The issue is that the biggest wins

544
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Speaker 1: that he has certainly the second Edgar fight and definitely

545
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: the Melendez fight. They were real close, and those are

546
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: not the only ones that are real close. The pertricky

547
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: fight that was weird where he got the nod over

548
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: the injury. There's been even the how about this the

549
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: mass of it all fight. There's just been a lot

550
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 1: of fights where the audience watching at a bare minimum

551
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: had a very disputed version of what had happened, and

552
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: I think that ended up coloring the perspective on how

553
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: dominant or good he was. But in the end, when

554
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: you can collect that many scalps, when you can do

555
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: it for as long as he did and remain as

556
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: competitive for as long as he did, there's just no

557
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: denying this is a very special fighter. Whether he'll go

558
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: into the UFC Hall of Fame, I don't know's that's

559
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: a completely separate question. He certainly deserves to be remembered

560
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: for his success in this weight class, and even even

561
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: his B tier wins BC are very very solid B

562
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Speaker 1: tier wins.

563
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Speaker 2: I mean, how would you describe it in a sense,

564
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: He's like the some of the parts type of fighter, Like, look,

565
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: did he have one dominant skill? I mean, you know,

566
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: there wasn't an overly ton of finishes. There's a lot

567
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: of strong decision wins. He's got a lot of cage time,

568
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: but it was because he had a fairly damn well

569
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 2: rounded game across the board and was very stubborn in

570
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: some of those defensive categories to prevent people from taking over.

571
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: But it wasn't like he was known particularly for one thing.

572
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 2: He was just a damn great mixed martial artist.

573
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: He was, and he was aggressive. But I think it's

574
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Speaker 1: the series of decisions from Pettis, the Pettis loss, all

575
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: the way to the in between the Petis fights. He

576
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: had nothing but decision. So he decisioned bo Check decision,

577
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: Miller decision, Guida decision Edgar decision Edgar decision, Nyt Diez decision,

578
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: Melindez and he gets finished by Anthony Pettis there. I

579
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: think that I think played a role because to your point,

580
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: like what was his ace in the hole? To me,

581
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: he was hard to hurt, as we mentioned, great scrambler,

582
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: very hard to choke. Just guys would go for chokes

583
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: on him and couldn't get it. Relentless pace. I would say.

584
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Speaker 1: The one thing he kind of developed you mentioned the cafkick.

585
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: His kicking game kind of brought some new dynamism. Remember

586
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: he had a taekwon do background. That was a big

587
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: part of what he did, So he just brought in

588
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: some dynamism in that way. But he was much more

589
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: a jack of all trades than a master of some

590
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: u and I think that it was just overall he

591
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: played the levels really well. Again, another thing like he'ld

592
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: be bad like dominant wrestling or you guys see like

593
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: dominant strikers or dominant punchers. He never had exactly that.

594
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: But the full tool belt, the batman belt around his

595
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: around his waist, there was it was very difficult to

596
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: deal with in the time in which he competed in

597
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: the aughts. Or excuse me this.

598
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: He always had a great motor too, was always in shape.

599
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: You gotta be if you're gonna go five rounds with

600
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: all these killers.

601
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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh didn't have didn't. I mean the problem was

602
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: like the fights he had in terms of like rivals,

603
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: people think he lost either one or both the Edgar fights.

604
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: He never had a rematch against Melendez, he lost both

605
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: Pettis fights. He never had like that trilogy that lifted him.

606
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: And in terms of a narrative, he was just always

607
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: kind of that guy that thorn in the side of

608
00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: the division rather than the accepted. There was just a

609
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: lot of dispute.

610
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: But he did have time the trilogy with with Cowboy.

611
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: It was just that he had won the first two

612
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: so it was sort of like, oh, we're doing it

613
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: a third.

614
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Speaker 1: Time, Oh right, right right, yeah, fair well actually, well

615
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: he fought Serny in two thousand and nine and then

616
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: twice in WEC and then yes, they had the loss

617
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: to him at the end there. That's why I apologize

618
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: at twenty fifteen. Still, you know, that fight kind of

619
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: sucked too, although he rebounded from that against Brandon Thatch.

620
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: I mean that was kind of amazing as well.

621
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Well that way, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

622
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: Was supposed to be like the next big thing, and

623
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: then old Benson whooped up on him and then beat Masslo.

624
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: All then tries to fight Koreshkova one seventy and that

625
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: got him a bit of trouble, but certainly daring to

626
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: be great the entire time too. And by the way,

627
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: just looking at his fights here, never had never ducked

628
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: a difficult challenge ever, ever, ever, ever, all they signed

629
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: up for the toughest assignments.

630
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: Here's the hard question. When I say Mount Rushmore, you know,

631
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: that means four spots. Is he on the Mount rushmore

632
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: of either lightweight MMA history or w e C history

633
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: or none of either. But hey, great career.

634
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: I think he might be on w e C. So

635
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: w C you would have who you would have? Pettus, Faber,

636
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: Faber Aldo, Aldo, Faber, Pettis Aldo.

637
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: I mean that's where you go. Do you go, Cowboy?

638
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: But he didn't win the belt, right, I mean you

639
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: can Thomas and it wasn't sustained. Yeah, Pettish, Yeah, Pettis

640
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: has to be on there, dude.

641
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: He's pets DJ Aldo favor. Maybe that Pettus d.

642
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 2: Like offering Miguel Torres and Hennon Barraw or dom Cruise

643
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: or Dom Cruise, but you know.

644
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: He didn't he cruise.

645
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean he may not be on Yeah,

646
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: so he's this is what I mean, Like, you can't

647
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: knock the resume, very very respectable, very high.

648
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: That she But I think there are a couple of things,

649
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 1: either the nature of the wins themselves or again that

650
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: the game you speak to it's really well rounded but

651
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: not super specific in one kind of way. I think

652
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: that holds him back just a little bit. But a

653
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: very very very successful MMA career, and I don't know

654
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: what kind of money he may be see, but I

655
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: hope it's enough.

656
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: You have a history interviewing him, Luke. I mean he

657
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: was never like overly you know, expressive.

658
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: No, not so much. I think I interviewed him a

659
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: couple of times early in his WC UFC run and

660
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, I mean this idea where we have to

661
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: like interview fighters the same guys every single year really

662
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: never made sense to me. So I haven't really spoken

663
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: to him in a long time, but you know, I

664
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: got a lot of respect for what he was able

665
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: to pull off. And it's clearly a thoughtful guy. Clearly

666
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: got by the way, Remember he was going to like

667
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: all these jiu jitsu tournaments to challenge himself in the

668
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: middle of his UFC career, just because he wanted to

669
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: like get competition to get better. Just always ran into

670
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: the fire, never around it, right, always right through the middle,

671
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: and you got it. You got the really take your

672
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: hat off to it for a guy like that.

673
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: As much as it's weird that he fought with a

674
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: toothpick in his mouth, do you know that Hulk Hogan

675
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: and his prime would wrestle with a razor blade in

676
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: his mouth because you know, they use the razor blade

677
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: to to cut to blade Luke to produce blood, and

678
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: normally they keep it under the tape on their wrists. Dude,

679
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: Hogan used to put that in his mouth and wrestle

680
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: with How weird is that?

681
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, hul Cogan, you know also Bang Love of

682
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: the Bubble, the Love Sponges Wife. I mean, we're just you.

683
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: Know, okay, I mean that was the worst of his

684
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: of his books.

685
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, yep. He uh, from what I understand,

686
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: not the most racially progressive guy.

687
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: There we go, There we go. Yeah, I mean, what

688
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: the tape?

689
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't assume me, Peter T I don't have that

690
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: much money. All right, b C. Let's go to point

691
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: number three here if we can. In today's show, Let's

692
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: get to the UFC action on Saturday.

693
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: Marob Oh Yeah, how good was How good was this

694
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: breakthrough moment here?

695
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: Wow?

696
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? So you and I have kind of been on

697
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: the fence about Marob. We had always known and this

698
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: was obvious to everyone that he had just had the

699
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: sickest cardio and by the way, I'm just gonna say it,

700
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: he's got the best cardio in mma period, Like, there's

701
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: no one quite like him, independent of weight class, independent

702
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: of organization, nobody has a motor.

703
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: See that video to cut you off, did you see

704
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: that video of him at a pool where it was

705
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: this really really long pool. It was it was indoor somewhere,

706
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: and he jumped in one end of it luke and

707
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: swam the entire distance at insanely fast speed and then

708
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: got out and was like flexing. But like it's a

709
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 2: distance that even elite athletes would be like, you know,

710
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: it was like multiple pools connected together. I mean, the

711
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: guy's just got sick, sick endurance, and.

712
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a cardiovascular conditioning that is historically rare.

713
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: You're just not going to see guys like this very often.

714
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: So anyway, he beats Yan. I'm not going to say

715
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: easily BC, but in terms of the scorecards, he basically

716
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: blanked him. He blanked him. Yeah, Okay, in your mind, now,

717
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen with al Joe. We'll

718
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: talk about in a second. In your mind, is there

719
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: any doubt he's the number one contender at one hundred

720
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: and thirty five.

721
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: Pounds, Well, yeah, there is some doubt because the division

722
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: is insanely deep. As we know, it's been bottlenecked at

723
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: the top consistently because of different reasons Algo being hurt,

724
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: the DQ, changing of hands of the title, a lot

725
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: of that, And it's still kind of weird right now

726
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 2: that sugar Shan Omalley, after beating the same guy pyotr

727
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: Yan was allowed to cut the class get the number

728
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: one contender spot, but then didn't get the title shot.

729
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: Isn't fighting anyone as of right now for an interim

730
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: title shot? Right You could easily do the rematch against

731
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: against Cheetoh and they didn't do that. So does Morob

732
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: deserve to jump ahead of that? Well, can't you argue

733
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: that even though he didn't do it as dynamically or

734
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: as one sidedly, O'Malley just beat that same guy either way, Luke,

735
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: The real thing here is even separate from the talk

736
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: about the relationship between him and al Joe, which I

737
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: get is a big part of this. Yeah, this was

738
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: an absolute breakthrough moment in his career because we did

739
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: have questions about the striking. The striking isn't completely there

740
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: on the same level of what he does, but the

741
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: way he's able to utilize the head movement and with

742
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: that insane pace and the fact that when he does

743
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: connect those are some big shots. He really loads up

744
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: on those right hands. He's right in this mix if

745
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: he's not getting the next title shot in the winner

746
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: of al Joe going against Henry Sahudo. And obviously again

747
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: there's relationship issues there. There's some monster fights for him.

748
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: You could see him. I mean, look, what if you

749
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: fought Sugar Shawn on Maalley for their interim title next?

750
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: What if he Thoughtchito Verra, what if he thought anybody?

751
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: He's at most he's going to have to fight one

752
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: more before the title. But that's the type of breakthrough

753
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: performance that if this was any other division, at any

754
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: other time, you'd be, you know, finding out his belt

755
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: size right now to get ready for this title bout,

756
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: because he jumped through our screen. He took on a

757
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: guy and Yan, who yeah, had the weirdest stretch of

758
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: three losses in four fights for an elite fighter that

759
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: we've seen in some time. Yet from the very beginning him,

760
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: he dragged him into deep waters. And even though Jan

761
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: we know Yan's heart and his spirit, and he fought

762
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: back and he tried, he landed some big shots at times,

763
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: but Luke, he was coming from behind the entire fight,

764
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: after the big moments in the first round, just completely

765
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: overwhelmed by this pace. Not enough to break him, not

766
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 2: enough for him to get stopped and exposed fully. But

767
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 2: once again, you know, Yan goes into a huge fight

768
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: against a huge contender here and this time he came

769
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: up empty again. And dude, it's because Morob is leaping

770
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 2: through your screen with confidence and the ability to mix

771
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: that whole game together. You know, he's like Habib to

772
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: a certain standpoint. He may never need to fully figure

773
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: out the striking. Habib made his own striking work for

774
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: him in relation to the threat of his ground game.

775
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: And how just incredibly smart he was. Morob like, the

776
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: striking is good enough right now, Luke, he can win

777
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: a championship tomorrow if he got the chance. So what

778
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: a freaking performance. And before I throw it back to you,

779
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: I know they were only at the Virgin Hotels, Las

780
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: Vegas because of the stupid Dick's life and thing over

781
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: at the Apex Luke on uh brought to you by

782
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 2: Rumbole TV whatever that is, Luke, But I will tell

783
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: you this him and we've seen that venue before the

784
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: old hard rock you. We've seen it for years in

785
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: UFC boxing all that the fighters essentially coming like through

786
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: the crowd almost to get to the cage. Morob's stopping

787
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: in high five and everybody that small crowd was filled

788
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: with Georgian flags. That was a environment and he seemed

789
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: to thrive on that, and it seemed to boo booy

790
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: him boo boooy him, booy him. Luke, we haven't figured

791
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: out how to say that word, have we?

792
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: No, we have it's bowie.

793
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: Okay, he had seemed to. It seemed to booy him

794
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: to an all together next level. And when you look

795
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 2: back at the run and the consecutive win streak, it's like, Okay,

796
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: he almost got stopped against Maris and had had to

797
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: show superhuman effort. But outside of that, dude, he's getting

798
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: a lot better every single fight and not getting banged

799
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: around a lot outside of that Marice fight.

800
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know if this stat I'm about

801
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: to tell you is still in play, as there's only

802
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: three guys in him now adding himself to it. But

803
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: a few years ago I was talking about the fight

804
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: metric guys and they were telling me but this again,

805
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: this there may be more at this point, but this

806
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: was a few years ago. They were saying that there's

807
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: two guys to this point that have in a single

808
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: UFC fight scored at least one hundred significant strikes and

809
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: ten takedowns in the same fight. One was King Velaski.

810
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: One was Kane Velaskaz. One was Usmin excuse me, one

811
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: was Kamaru Usman. I apologize. You can now add Morob

812
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: to the list. Marob, in this fight, listen to this

813
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: fucking stat line. This is insane. Okay, Ready, he attempted

814
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: four hundred and one strikes, landing two hundred and two

815
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: of which one hundred and forty seven were significant. He

816
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: attempted and I can't believe I'm looking at this forty

817
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: nine takedowns in this fight and you're like, well, he

818
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: only got eleven of them. Big fucking deal. He got

819
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: eleven of them. Eleven takedowns, one hundred and forty seven

820
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: significant strikes, six minutes and fifty three seconds of control time.

821
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: That is insane, bonkers, bonkers level of output. BC. First

822
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: of all, we should say something, Morob's striking to me,

823
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: look the best it's ever looked. Now, some of it

824
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: he landed a lot of he didn't, but he looks

825
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: like he is improving his technical refinement, and I want

826
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: to be very clear about that. On the other hand,

827
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: I don't know how much he needs to refine it

828
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: if he can spam this much volume at guys. Dude.

829
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: Yon did not have bad cardio in this fight. Yon

830
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: didn't look pathetic in this fight at all. He was

831
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: a worthy adversary. Nobody can stand up to this kind

832
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: of volume. Either you hurt and put Morob away, or

833
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: it is fucking curtains for you over the long hole.

834
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: It's brilliant the way you just said that, because that's

835
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: exactly here's how smart that team is. Now. Look, Morob's

836
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: showing us he's got a hell of an IQ. But

837
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: obviously credit coach Longo, Matt Sarah and the crew over

838
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: there the way that they looked at Jan and said, okay,

839
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: late starter right, takes time to figure it out. Thrives

840
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: down the stretch of the championship. Browns spend like Paodrian's

841
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: superpower in some of his biggest wins, you know, San

842
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: Hagan on and on. They jumped out such a quick

843
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: pace on him early that they put him into that

844
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: fight or flight mode. I mentioned that he never properly

845
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: recovered from so like automatically. That put him in such

846
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: a big advantage. And to your point, unless you're gonna

847
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: stand in there and finish him, Maurice went ham in

848
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: that first run and tried. Yon never truly committed because

849
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: I think he was already facing an uphill battle cardio

850
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: wise with how wild the start was for him. But

851
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: he never really bit down and said, Okay, I'm gonna

852
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: pour out the jug right now and see if I

853
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: can finish you. Obviously, because if you don't, Rob's gonna

854
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 2: run you over. But the difference between Rob and anybody

855
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: else who spams takedowns, and you know, the perfect image

856
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: I have that is Damian Maya in defeat against Tyron Woodie.

857
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: Remember it's just like constant, constant takedown. The difference is

858
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: is that Morale doesn't always need to do the takedown. Look,

859
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: he's so smart, he gets up in your grill, But

860
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: it's the constant fakes and faints which are non stop.

861
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: He's just waiting for that little slight opening where he's

862
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 2: either coming over the top with the big right hand,

863
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: he's surprising you with a calf kick or he's shooting

864
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: in for those single leg takedowns, and the way they

865
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: described in the broadcast, what that does, always going for

866
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: single legs instead of double leg keeping the opponent off balance.

867
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: He's just like you see those stats. You see how

868
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: he just destroyed Kaanevelaska's record for most attempts for takedowns

869
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: in a single fight. But it wasn't this reckless, you know,

870
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: stubborn Damien mile level. It was constantly reading what's in

871
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: front of him, making the other person show their tell

872
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: and then respond to it. I don't think we give

873
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: him and his team enough credit for how smart they are. Luke,

874
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: and that twenty five minutes showed us or exactly what

875
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: he's operating with up here, which means it's not just okay.

876
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: You know, is O'Malley a potential kryptonite because he's such

877
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: a sharp shooter and he could pick him apart coming in, Well,

878
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: you better finish him if you're gonna pick him apart

879
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: coming in, because he's gonna take a chunk of your

880
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: stamina in the craziness that he lures you into. I

881
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: don't really know what is the right style to counter this,

882
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: What does it look like Luke. When he goes up

883
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: against a super elite wrestler, he can take the risk

884
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: of guessing them out just through the constant attempts of

885
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: taking them down. I mean, it is a superpower, but

886
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: I think to your and my point about the striking,

887
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: at least he's got a powerful right hand. There were

888
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: moments where it looked like Yon might start getting back

889
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: into the fight where when he got too close, Morob

890
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: really popped him with one that that reminded him like,

891
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm not only gonna be up your ass this whole

892
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: fight and be on you, but if you, you know,

893
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: if you if you take too many chances, I can

894
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: get you out of here. And I didn't see this coming.

895
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: I saw a guy who's always going to be kind

896
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: of a wild gard of Morob with some of the

897
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: elite skills that he has. But now that he's putting

898
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: it all together and making it work in one flow state,

899
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: and now that the commitment to those those constant fakes

900
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 2: are just making him so hard to pick up this.

901
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: It's gonna be an interesting puzzle for the most delite

902
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: coaches and fighters in this division to really study that

903
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: tape and figure out how to constantly either get him

904
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: off rhythm or or meet him in his tracks with

905
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: something big that makes him think twice. But Jan can

906
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: do that, looke, Pyoto, Jan can knock you the f out.

907
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: He couldn't slow this guy down at all.

908
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: He couldn't. And again, the only way you're gonna stop

909
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: him is you. It's you know what you know? Who'd

910
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: be a tough matchup for him? If there was someone

911
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: in the weight class like this. I actually think a

912
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: Yahya Rodriguez would be like a tough fight. Now again,

913
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: one's bantamwait, one's feather. That's never gonna happen. But what

914
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: I mean is what do we say about a guy

915
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: like Rodriguez? Great body attacks by the way and at range,

916
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: but he just has attacks everywhere. So many guys spend

917
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: so much time defending. I'm gonna grab the wrist, I'm

918
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: gonna wizard, I'm gonna, you know, turn my hips, I'm

919
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna have my guard up, whatever, I'm gonna defend this onslaught.

920
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: You almost have to just eat it and then fire

921
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: back constantly, because unless he gets hurt in some kind

922
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: of meaningful way, a big big cut, his knee is injured,

923
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: or ankle, or his body hurts for some reason unless

924
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: he is meaningfully hurt. I don't know if he's at

925
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: this stage of his career. I don't know if he's stoppable,

926
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: he will just keep going. In this he showed.

927
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: Tremendous heart against Mara, like stupid level heart, right, just sure.

928
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: And that's the other part too, like he's he's not.

929
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to read this. I'm making it out

930
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, he's just a volume guy.

931
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: But BC listen to his career stats to this point, right,

932
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: because he's not only putting out a ton of volume,

933
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: he's depressing what other guys can do by virtue of

934
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: the volume. In some ways, his best off, best defense,

935
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: excuse me, is his offense just because it's smothering. But

936
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: his strikes landed per minut a four point four to

937
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: six that's very good. Strike's obsor permitt two point four

938
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: to one, that's below average for a ranked fighter. That's good. Right,

939
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: the lower your golf scorer, the better. That's what that is.

940
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: He has a he does not he gets hit half

941
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: as often as he hits. I can say there's a

942
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: lot of ranked fighters that are not that way. And

943
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: how about this PC takedowns per fifteen minute's six point

944
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: five five in astronomically high number. Even good grapplers are

945
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: usually sub two per fifteen He's nearly at seven per

946
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Dude, what the fuck are you gonna do

947
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: with that guy?

948
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: Seriously, look, before we get into what should be next

949
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: in the future of him and him and Aljo being

950
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: best friends, when we do talk about what we're talking

951
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: about right now, like who's gonna who can who can

952
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: figure this out? O'meal's an interesting matchup because of the

953
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: sharp shooting nature, but obviously Morob could be monster kryptonite

954
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: for him and just just you know, take him down,

955
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: drag out the cardio. I do wonder if Cheeto Vera,

956
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 2: with the extreme violence can can either discipline Morob's output

957
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: to a certain degree or like cut him, chop him open,

958
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: do something that really tries to prevent that downhill motion.

959
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: What about Umar and a Marga Medoff who's not currently

960
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: in the top ten, but he's coming on, Luke, that's

961
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: another guy with such a unique, well rounded game that

962
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: you're like, well, well let me let me hold judgment,

963
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: you know, get what he'd look like against him until

964
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: we get there and see it. But those three ideas

965
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: in mind of who could look good against him. I

966
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: want to know your opinion here, if you're if you're

967
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: Sean Shelby, what do you do next? Because O'Malley does

968
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: not have a fight. I don't think cheto Vera has

969
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: a fight. I thought he was recovering from injury. Uh,

970
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: where are we going here?

971
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: Because al Hudo Nextagen?

972
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: Right?

973
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, so let's let's get let's update that.

974
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that. So we don't know about o'mealley,

975
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: Cheeto fighting Sanhagen and al Jo's got shuto. Now, al

976
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: Jo and Morob are not gonna fight, and you know

977
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: I respect that. Luke in less. Unless Morab beats everybody

978
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: and al Jo still the champion, then we changed that conversation.

979
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: But for right now, there are enough matchups in my opinion,

980
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: Luke where he doesn't necessarily need the title shot. Where

981
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: are you going which direction here?

982
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: Well?

983
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: I've seen people being like, oh, there's no way Morob

984
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: and al Jo will fight. Well, if I had to bet,

985
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: I would bet that they would in fact not fight. However,

986
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, I have lived through long enough of combat

987
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 1: sports to see many times teammates say we're never gonna fight,

988
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: and then later on they actually find a way to

989
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: in fact fight. So while I appreciate that they don't

990
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: want it, and I suspect they will resist it. For example,

991
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: Koshjak and Fitch never fought. There was a lot of

992
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: pressure on those guys to face one another when they

993
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: were at the same time in Aka. They never did. Okay,

994
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: but I've also seen the opposite happen a lot. So

995
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen, I think you can go. Well,

996
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: let's back up a step. If Henry Shuto wins, I

997
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to give al Jo an immediate rematch.

998
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that they're not going to

999
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 1: go that direction, right even if he ekes one out

1000
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: so that you could do. You could go give him

1001
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: the title shot after that. That's one thing you could do.

1002
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: They leave Sean O'Malley. The only issue is b see

1003
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: Umar number got made off. I'm not saying your point

1004
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: is not well taken because I agree with you. In fact,

1005
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: Umar is a sniper, and I think a guy like

1006
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: that could be a real problem for a guy like Morob.

1007
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: But he's only sitting at eleven. He's only sitting at eleven.

1008
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: Ricky Simone, who's done great work sitting at ten. You

1009
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: got song your dong at eight, rop On at six. Obviously,

1010
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: Marlin and Corey are gonna fight each other sitting at

1011
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: four and five, so it creates a real interesting problem.

1012
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: But Rob's gonna have to sit out. I think, honestly,

1013
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: if they, dude.

1014
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: What about Sean O'Malley. Why is he not fighting Sean O'Malley, Dude.

1015
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: Aren't they Okay, but if you're a UFC, let's just

1016
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: back up a step. Let's say you're sewn Sean. Uh

1017
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: I was at Al Shaddy, You're Sean the fuck the Shelby. Yeah,

1018
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Henry beats Al Joe. Let's say he does it triumphantly. Right,

1019
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna wanna make Henry versus Sean O'Malley.

1020
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: Right, Yes. The only way I think you get around

1021
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: that is with an interim title. And again I don't

1022
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: like to advocate for the misuse of interim titles, and

1023
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: this would be a misuse. The champion is not injured

1024
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: or away or suspended or anything, but it allows you

1025
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: to present it as an absolute, big, legitimate moment. I

1026
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: mean what about the idea like cause you know you again,

1027
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: like you said you respect al Joe and Morob saying

1028
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: you're not gonna fight other. I agree with you that

1029
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: if Morob beat enough guys and al Joe decided not

1030
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 2: to move up and was beating enough guys, there would

1031
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: be a pisser, you know, get off the pop moment.

1032
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: But UFC could kind of f around and make that

1033
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: thing happen sooner than later by putting O'Malley against Morob

1034
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: foreign interim title, that would you know, go off a

1035
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: little bit after Al Joe versus Henry happens. And if

1036
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: it just so happens that the two teammates survive in advance,

1037
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: then they got to make that decision. Luke il just

1038
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: got to move up in that instance, and then Morab

1039
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: will just be fighting that next guy in line, maybe

1040
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: the winner of San Hagan versus Cheeto. I don't hate

1041
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: that idea, but I don't think you're gonna get on

1042
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: board with it. What do you what do you have

1043
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: against that? Interim title idea kind of fixes everything, even

1044
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: though I hate doing that.

1045
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: The problem is you don't have You would be doing

1046
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: that to accommodate guys, in ways that the UFC doesn't

1047
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: have to. I mean they never have to with the

1048
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: interim title, but in ways where they really don't have

1049
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: to hear.

1050
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: But that's all they do in modern history. It's all

1051
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: they do is accommodate that to fill out the marquee.

1052
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: You know that that's what we do here.

1053
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: They might Okay, I'm not saying it's crazy. I'm not

1054
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: saying it's crazy. I don't think it's crazy. I think

1055
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: it's unlikely only because the champion is not in recess

1056
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: that the title is moving. But they could like alleviate

1057
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: the log jam, I think, is what you're trying to say, right, So.

1058
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: Yes, because that would force this conversation. If al Joe

1059
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: and Morale both won those difficult matchups, then you'd go, Okay, guys,

1060
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: you're number one and two, you're you. You both have

1061
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: parts of the same championship. Al Joe either go now

1062
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: or let's see how you know, let's see if you

1063
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: guys want to figure this out. Okay, that'd be a

1064
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: great way to fix this division. But you know, they

1065
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: don't let me match make too much.

1066
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: Luke. I wanted to. I wanted to make one point

1067
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: if I maybe see. I saw something over the weekend.

1068
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: Because I didn't watch any of the fights live, I

1069
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: decided to have a weekend with my family, so I

1070
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: had to go back and watch everything later. And I

1071
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: noticed something that was brought to my attention which was

1072
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: kind of interesting. There's this, uh, I'll give it a

1073
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: shout out. There's this Twitter account called m m a Wretch.

1074
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: They do good work and basically he or she whoever

1075
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: it is, ends up making a point which you kind

1076
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: of know, but they show the details of how it's true. Namely,

1077
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: Morob implemented very specific tactics, including some single legs and

1078
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: then forcing or I should say compelling anyway, Jan to

1079
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: use his high guard to block in order to get

1080
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: to certain positions, to get to the hips, to get

1081
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: to the leg and then run the lake back to

1082
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: the fence. And this was causing a shit ton of

1083
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: problems for Jan. Why do I bring this up? Some

1084
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: of those things that Jan did or didn't he reacted

1085
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: in certain ways to al Jamaine Sterling and al Jamin

1086
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: didn't realize some of that in real time. But it's

1087
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: a five round five they fought twice. The second one

1088
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: went the full distance. You actually get a little bit

1089
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: more tape, and so here is a real big challenge

1090
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: for fighters who are championship level or former champs themselves.

1091
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: Once you get to that level, dude, there's so much

1092
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: tape on you, and you might have opponents that are

1093
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: teammates that this is why it's so hard to maintain

1094
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: a title, because we haven't talked about the fact that

1095
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: Yan won the time, loss it and is gone one

1096
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: and three since. Then. To me, it's really not an accident.

1097
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: You're looking at Morob taking things that fighters including his teammate,

1098
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: have learned over the course of Jon's UFC run, put

1099
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: a much more specific game plan together around very known

1100
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: recent weaknesses or at least tendencies. Anyway, you can turn

1101
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: a tendency into a weakness, and they're using that against them.

1102
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: It's my opinion, bcyes champ champs are special, but to me,

1103
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: the hardest thing to do in MMA is to win

1104
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: a UFC title to begin with and then defend it

1105
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: over time because just s all with Valentina Chevchenko, dude,

1106
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: there is tape on you. What did Grosso excuse me,

1107
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: do she They had planned for her to spend and

1108
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: jump the back that only comes from years of having

1109
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: available tape. You don't know what the tendencies are with

1110
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: how she throws that and when she throws that until

1111
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: you've fully studied it. Turns out she throws it often

1112
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: a little bit too close to her opponents, right, But

1113
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: you have to there's time it takes to get all

1114
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: these details out of someone.

1115
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: Dude.

1116
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: Yon has gotten to a stage of his career where

1117
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of either known weaknesses or known tendencies

1118
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: that they can build weaknesses around, and it's really, really,

1119
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: really hard to undo that. I want to say it again, Dude,

1120
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: Yon didn't look bad. He didn't look bad. He just

1121
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: looked much whelmed.

1122
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: Mikey just chimed in with the point that's similar to

1123
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: what you're just making that. You know, Coach Longo and

1124
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: company had had game planned twice already for Yon against

1125
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 2: al Jo, so they use that information wisely here, Luke

1126
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: and then had a different.

1127
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the answer is yes that they If you watch

1128
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: the first round of the first fight between al Joe

1129
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: and Yon, Aljo was just raining on him, you know

1130
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: what I mean, like there was just nowhere to go. Yes,

1131
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: but different ways, different ways in which they were able

1132
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: to set up stuff I thought, I think more educated ways.

1133
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: And again, dude, Aljo's got a great gas tank. He

1134
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: doesn't have a bad gas tank at all, but no

1135
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: one's got a morob gas tank, and he can he

1136
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: can do forty nine takedown attempts, four hundred attempted strikes.

1137
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: That's fucking insane, insense.

1138
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, do you think they'll go back to Virgin

1139
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: hotels because of how fun this was? Or do you

1140
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: think Dania didn't even watch the card?

1141
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he even watched the card, you know,

1142
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: all right?

1143
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, didn't you like that? Didn't you like

1144
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 2: that feeling of that fan interaction?

1145
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: Was?

1146
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: It was I the only one getting high off that?

1147
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: So I like it, but I didn't like Also, if

1148
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: you're Yon, that's small cage. I don't know how much

1149
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: he liked it. I don't know how much you liked that.

1150
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: That's a lot to deal with, you know. So now

1151
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: I guess it'd still be small on the apex. But

1152
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: we're talking about like what's a good place to put

1153
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: a fight, Maybe a place where you can have the

1154
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: full size cage. I don't know, it depends on your perspective.

1155
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: Hey, whatever, add Zuck wants Luke. He's going to get

1156
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know that. Do

1157
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: you think put yoder Yan stays with the UFC. I

1158
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: don't know his contract situation, but when you lose four

1159
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: or five at the elite level, you know you're kind

1160
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: of hearing out of guys.

1161
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, dude, that division's tough. So maybe he wants

1162
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: a break, maybe he wants to go someplace else. But

1163
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: this is what I was thinking about BC in this

1164
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: whole thing, which is, if you're Yon, you definitely need

1165
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: a reset, right, you definitely need a reset. It's time

1166
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: for a reset. But this is not Darren Til asking

1167
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: for a release. For very different circumstances. Now, Till's had

1168
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: a lot of losses, I think more five to this point,

1169
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: he's only a three. But Till, to me, was regressing.

1170
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: I want to say it again. Jan did not look bad.

1171
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: He did not look bad. He did not look like

1172
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: a guy who can't beat good fighters or elite fighters,

1173
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: top five fighters. His last win was over Corey Sandeagan,

1174
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 1: who's still a top five fighter. But I do think

1175
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: it's time for a reset in the sense of let's

1176
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: get someone a little bit more manageable. For a get

1177
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: back win, and I think he's got to switch some

1178
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: stuff up. If guys are making game plans this specific,

1179
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: he's got to work on making some new setups and

1180
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: new changes or some changes in the way that he

1181
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: does things.

1182
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, But you know, two of those losses are

1183
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 2: split decisions. One of those was a DQ. It's kind

1184
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: of hard. But we'll see where he's going here. I mean,

1185
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: it's I never thought, I mean, this is this is

1186
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: what happens. This is the dark side of Darren to

1187
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: be great. He's been very aggressive in matchmaking after each defeat,

1188
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: always wanted to get right back in line, you know,

1189
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 2: whatever it takes in fight that next guy. This division

1190
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: is so deep that dude, this can actually happen wild

1191
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: wild luke Man. Damn. I love this division. Think about this,

1192
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: we get some hudo kind of it's almost under the radar,

1193
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 2: like I know we're talking about it, or not really

1194
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: talking about it. He's just parachuting into this already deep

1195
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: and amazing division at the moment when we have so

1196
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: many names who could be wearing this title. What a time,

1197
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: what a time that fight and that fight was so fun,

1198
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: just that atmosphere. I don't know, Luke, dude, Morob's coming

1199
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: on and in it. It's hard to say we should

1200
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: have saw it coming, because sometimes it just goes full

1201
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 2: bloom at the right moment. That that was the damn

1202
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: moment right there there is Yeah.

1203
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Listen Yan was the favorite, but barely I

1204
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: think do we all knew that Morob was a threat.

1205
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: What I didn't know was that he could put together

1206
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: such a here's the problem right against Aldo. It felt

1207
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: a little I don't know, one note, like you just

1208
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: had one gear he could go to. This felt like

1209
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: he had a full plan and he engineered it and

1210
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: worked it to perfection. He had a symphony going here.

1211
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: All the different all the different sections were flowing all

1212
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: all when the times that they needed to, and it

1213
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: was balanced and efficient and yet still overwhelming. That was

1214
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: such a masterclass in how to weaponize cardio and volume

1215
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: against a very difficult again I want to say again,

1216
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: a very difficult opponent. He really, I mean he had

1217
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: my respect before, well he really has it now. Amazing performance, amazing.

1218
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: Oh, Mike, you just reminded me the reason why I

1219
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: brought up the idea of like Yahn leaving was he

1220
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: had threatened to leave the UFC in November when he.

1221
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: Did the judging judging. What can you say here? This

1222
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: is fair judging? Bro? You lost it?

1223
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 2: You know this was this was fair game. He does

1224
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: have to go back to the drawing board. I just

1225
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: don't know. Sometimes. Look, sometimes if you that have many

1226
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 2: losses happen, you're like, I gotta leave this territory. I

1227
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: gotta just go somewhere else, you know, regain my mojo,

1228
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: win a title there, and then maybe come back one day.

1229
00:55:59,160 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: We'll see.

1230
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the worst, he's still he's still in his twenties.

1231
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken.

1232
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'd like to see him in a

1233
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: trilogy about with Mago med Maga Metal off you.

1234
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be the worst idea. I mean, he doesn't.

1235
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: You're saying he has to go to Belatore.

1236
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: Not saying that. I just like interesting matchups. When I

1237
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: put on the Randy cotur head, I like interesting matchups.

1238
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: Okay, and that's one right, I mean, I listen, let

1239
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: me be clear about this. Going to Beltor actually could

1240
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: be a good idea. Although dude, Belatore's one division is

1241
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,479
Speaker 1: not some fucking walk in the park man. There's tough

1242
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: guys down there too, so like, you know, yes that.

1243
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: You would will take your so hey, dude, speaking of

1244
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: that quickly, because PATCHI Mix has that big fight with

1245
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 2: raffe On Statts and Beltour for a million bucks? Did

1246
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 2: you hear on that broadcast over the weekend? And I'm

1247
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: sure d C and Felder got got penalized for this

1248
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 2: through their ear hole, but they were bringing up raffe

1249
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: On Statts and they were mentioning that Paul Felder used

1250
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: to train with him, and because Statt's had that early

1251
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: loss to Morab I believe, and they were saying, you know,

1252
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: Stotts hasn't lost since then, And then there was a

1253
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: pause and then Cormier's like, yo, is he still the

1254
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: champion in that other place? And I'm like, oh, the

1255
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 2: producers are gonna hate this, dude. They're gonna hate this.

1256
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: Although Dana is not They're not as crazy as they

1257
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: used to be about stuff like that.

1258
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: No, somebody made him stop, dude, because Felder responded okay quickly.

1259
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: Earlier in the broadcast, Felder and DC were responding back

1260
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: to the producer on the air, and then they finally

1261
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: were like, oh, sorry, guys, I was you know answering

1262
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: a question of the produ because the preucer was giving

1263
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: him stats. This sounded like the producers were like, dude,

1264
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: stop talking about the other side. And then Felder actually said,

1265
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, and then it just awkward.

1266
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, the UFC still every

1267
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: promotion wants to pretend it's North Korea and that any

1268
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: other promotion doesn't exist. So that's true more generally, although

1269
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: some are you know, less hard up about it. But

1270
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: I would just say in general, like Rogan had a

1271
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: Bellator reference recently on air, you know that true happened.

1272
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: It's happened.

1273
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe because.

1274
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: You couldn't even acknowledge the IFL. Now it's like all right.

1275
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I was hoping you would conspiracy to the level

1276
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: because Scott's owns an MK bomber jacket that maybe you know.

1277
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: I'll say this if you're if you're wondering if a

1278
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: producer was in his ear telling him to stop, You're

1279
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: probably right because you know how that is too. But

1280
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like they used to be like absolutely

1281
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: fucking insane bringing up anything else. Now it's not as

1282
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: big a deal. But okay, either here North. There all right, PC,

1283
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: question number four, Let's make it a little more open

1284
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: ended here, BC, who on the Belletour or UFC card

1285
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: this past weekend stood out for their strong performance?

1286
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm glad to put my confidence back in him,

1287
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 2: because I still do think Alexander Volkov has a shot

1288
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: at getting himself down the line into a title shot.

1289
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: I know he's looked at as either the worst of

1290
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: the best heavyweights or the most deleite gatekeeper that this

1291
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: division has, and I do recognize that Alexander Romanov just

1292
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: recently a monster prospect in this division. Luke, I don't

1293
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 2: know what happened. He fought like shit, and he came

1294
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: in at two hundred and sixty four and a half

1295
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: half pounds shy of the limit, looking in extreme Dad

1296
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 2: Bob mode, like worst shape than he was in when

1297
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: he gassed out against Marchene Taibura and lost that majority decision,

1298
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: like visibly worse shape. So I'm not gonna you know,

1299
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna overlook the potential of fool's gold here.

1300
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: But the reason why I'm so high on that performance

1301
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: from Volkov is did you see the level of shape

1302
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 2: he came in did you hear the pre fight interviews

1303
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: talking about how much he's dedicating to take down defense

1304
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: and grappling, knowing that look like Luke he hit his

1305
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: ceiling a couple times over now where he looked like

1306
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: a possible threat, and then couldn't get over the hump

1307
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: against blades although he fought well right, couldn't get over

1308
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: the hump, and aspinall subs him out, and you're like, ah, damn, man,

1309
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: maybe he never will. At thirty four. He has made

1310
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: that decision that we all get to at some point

1311
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: in our career of if I don't give every single

1312
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: thing I have, it's not gonna happen. I think he's

1313
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 2: doing that right now. But dude, can I get your

1314
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: answer what the hell happened to Romanov? Because that's about

1315
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: his damaging a two fight stretch after you were like hungry, hungry,

1316
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: hippowing everyone before that. Dude, he could be in trouble here.

1317
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has shaken my confidence in him big time.

1318
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: He had some potential to your point. To your point,

1319
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: he had a better physique, much less fat on him

1320
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: in a contest where he still gassed, and then this one,

1321
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: as you indicated, he came in you had to cut

1322
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: to make two sixty five like he was. I think

1323
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: two sixty four and a half was where he waged

1324
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: in it specifically, It's like, dude, what what is going

1325
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: on with your decision making? Where you think this is

1326
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: a good idea or not that costly? You cannot fight

1327
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: guys like Alexander Volkov half assed or marginally or somewhat

1328
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: prepared and really expect to win. You're like, oh, well,

1329
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: John Jones did that, right, John Jones did that? You

1330
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: are not John Jones right. You got to be I

1331
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: have to understand that there are very special guys and

1332
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: you can like them or hate them, but they are

1333
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: special and they're gonna get away with shit. That dude,

1334
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: that dude's not that. He's just not that. And so

1335
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: the lack of the lack of I mean, and now listen,

1336
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: if he was injured and took the fight because he

1337
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: needed money, that's one thing, you know, maybe, but if

1338
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: he was just like, yeah, I could be bigger, and

1339
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: it's not really a big you're just if that's the case,

1340
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: if you're just not thinking clearly.

1341
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: He also was spamming takedown attempts to the level like

1342
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: he would not give up on that single, Like Luke,

1343
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: he was willing to run that place.

1344
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: That tells that tells me that he didn't have cardio

1345
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: for later and he knew it, Yeah, he was. It

1346
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: was just it was just get him down right away

1347
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: or else right because you're not gonna have You're not

1348
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: gonna have cardio in the end of round three or

1349
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: even the half back half of round two. Get it

1350
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,959
Speaker 1: in now. And it didn't work.

1351
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: During the preview when I teed up the idea of

1352
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: Volkov's back tad and your you know, your updated take

1353
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: on it, you didn't seem that familiar in that moment.

1354
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: Did you catch that when you rewatched it? Did you

1355
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: do like what he's going?

1356
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: Didn't pay attention to it? Do you have another shot

1357
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: at it?

1358
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: Mikey would would know that. Our fantastic producer, Mikey Mormile.

1359
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: Do me, do me a favor. We don't have to Yeah,

1360
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: grab one later. We could take a look at it. Mikey.

1361
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have it. I want to

1362
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 1: talk about my guy over the weekend, and I gotta

1363
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: tell you BC, I thought, I thought there's a chance

1364
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: Yamuchi might win. You know, I really did, And who

1365
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: knows what would have happened in a different world BC,

1366
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: But about thirty seconds into Yamuchi's fight with MVP, we

1367
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: learned he may never walk again. Is really what happened?

1368
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: Can we say something about MVP? We talked about what

1369
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: a great signing Usbin Numberga madev is for Bella Tour.

1370
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: MVP I think was a slow win for them because

1371
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: we had talked about it. Early in his career, you know,

1372
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: was not fighting the toughest guys. But he's now you

1373
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: could say he certainly is. And on top of that,

1374
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: you're just talking about a guy who just has insane

1375
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: viral wins. The win over Cyborg Santos is the one

1376
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: we talked to him about. How about this one? On

1377
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: top of it, BC, he shatters the kneecap or some

1378
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: shit of the right leg of a guy like Gouchi

1379
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: Yamuchi with just his second or third kick of the

1380
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: fight and stops it. Dude, I don't know what to

1381
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: say about MVP. The guy is a born highlight machine

1382
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: sometime in very sometimes I should say, in very gruesome ways. Yeah,

1383
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: but wow, is he not? You mentioned Spike Carlisle's the

1384
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: best TV fighter? No, MVP is the best TV fighter,

1385
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: oh for sure. Memorable performances all the time.

1386
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: As long as we get forgive him for that Paul

1387
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: Daily fight, then yes, yeah.

1388
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: That one sucked, and then the logans to really fights sucked.

1389
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: But that was not necessarily his fault. But dude, the

1390
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: wins he's had have been spectacular at times.

1391
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: My favorite memory though that Paul Daily MVP fight was

1392
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: the next morning when I flew into Hartford from La Luke.

1393
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,919
Speaker 2: I was out there for something and I ran into

1394
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: Morrow as he was about to get on the plane

1395
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: to fly home from the Mohigan Sun and he had

1396
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: he was It was like four am and he was

1397
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: so angry, still like hungover in anger from that fight,

1398
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: not living up to the entertainment, you know options that

1399
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: it ultimately had. But no MVP. That's a big with Luke.

1400
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: They were big. John teat him up about the potential.

1401
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: I know the ass kicking machine is ranked one higher

1402
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: than him, Jason Jackson, who has a fight coming up,

1403
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: and he was like, do you want to fight the winner?

1404
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 2: I love the MVP. He's like, no, dude, I want

1405
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: to fight Amasov, Like I'm ready for the belt now

1406
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: considering he lost that questionable split decision to story and

1407
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: considering storrely just got blanked right when he lost to

1408
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: him was for the interim title. Dude, you got it

1409
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: would be promotional malpractice not to do MVP versus Amasov

1410
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: next three and a half months from now, Luke right,

1411
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: that's do it?

1412
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: Do it? I agree, And also it just gives you

1413
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: some you know, this is why the bare knuckle thing

1414
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: for him is was not the wisest idea, which he

1415
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: kind of conceded in retrospect. He wanted to stick a

1416
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: fight because he wanted to stay busy, and Belts wanted

1417
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: to accommodate him. Two thumbs up. That seems great, but

1418
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: that skill set is not his best. When he can

1419
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: move and use all of his limbs, knees, shins, whatever, elbows,

1420
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 1: he's just he's hard to deal with. That's a that's

1421
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: a that's a gross ass win, but it's a win

1422
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: just the same, man, ridiculous.

1423
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: Look, I want to ask you quickly as we round

1424
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: out the the everything else in MMA from the weekend,

1425
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 2: we didn't talk much about that other lightweight Grand Prix

1426
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: bout for Belator, the comin event when Alexander Shablee or

1427
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: Shabbley gets a third round TKO over Tofique Musaiah, who

1428
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 2: came in with you know, the bigger threat of power,

1429
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: and he was the betting favorite. Dude, I don't actually

1430
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: have a really I thought it was Mussia or anyway,

1431
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: for what it's worth, Luke. So Shabby wins that fight.

1432
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: So that fight got they almost got boot out of

1433
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 2: the building in round one. It was not a highly

1434
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: contained was very you know, patient and poise once they

1435
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: started mixing it up. Did you see the finishing strike

1436
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 2: when Shabbily landed a beautiful front kick to the to

1437
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: the body to almost the you know, where the chest

1438
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: meets the stomach. But as the foot came down, the

1439
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: heel caught Mousiah in the balls, Luke, and they stopped

1440
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 2: it and you're like, okay, accidental foul. But when the

1441
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: ref finally cornered him and was like, you know, can

1442
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: you continue? Do you want to continue? And he said no,

1443
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: he lost by TKO. Is that legal? Like? So it

1444
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 2: is the body kick that hurt him, But dude, he

1445
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: got he got tagged in the piece. I saw it.

1446
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: I guess the way it ultimately went down was that

1447
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: he has a choice to decide how much whether it

1448
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: was intentional or not. It certainly wasn't intentional. And then

1449
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: to what extent was he wincing in pain from the

1450
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: actual shot and that this was incidental or how much

1451
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: was it directly from it, which is just a judgment

1452
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: call from the referee. I think he actually, in the

1453
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: end made the right call. And the reason why is

1454
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: it turns out Musaiah had broken ribs that shot, that

1455
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: shot from Alexander Shabbley broke his fucking rib.

1456
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: Dude, I didn't know that, and that that is that

1457
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 2: makes that.

1458
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: Call perfect, like that he actually nailed it.

1459
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: Because in real time and then watching the replays right after,

1460
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, how do you call that a loss? You know?

1461
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: Like I get that he was more hurt to the body,

1462
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: but it's not like he didn't get caught. And every

1463
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: time somebody gets caught in the ref season, you stopped,

1464
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: You stop the fight, right, you give him a chance?

1465
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: So is it? So is the ruling that because it

1466
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: was also a clean strike before it, that will give

1467
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: you the full five minutes? But the ruling is I mean,

1468
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: obviously the ruling is they called it a TKO, but

1469
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: like that's the official thing if you can't continue after

1470
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: five minutes, you lose.

1471
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: That's right. So basically they were gonna give him the

1472
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: five minutes for the nut shot, but they were not

1473
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: suggesting that the nut shot was a fight ender, and

1474
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: if he couldn't continue, it must have been from the

1475
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: other strike, and therefore they called it off. And you

1476
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: like again, in real time, it seemed very questionable. After

1477
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: the fact, it seems like the referee actually got it

1478
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: just right.

1479
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 3: Now.

1480
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, a good job by him. Hey, by the way,

1481
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: he no better way real quickly, real quickly. Shabbily was

1482
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 1: the favorite minus one fifty to a plus one eighty.

1483
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: Very very cult.

1484
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: I'll take an early Friday dead wrong on that, Luke.

1485
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: Before we throw to Volkov's backtat, which we have. Can

1486
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 2: I also have you comment on the Nikita Kreelov Ryan

1487
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: Span fight. Dude, Kreelov, is that all enoughing at times?

1488
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: And this was an all moment to get the sub

1489
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: and he allowed to advance here up the rankings and

1490
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: still even with the losses and the injuries and all that, Dude,

1491
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,959
Speaker 2: he's still tough out. But my heart broke for something

1492
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: here for Ryan Span, not that he because he lost

1493
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: or he fought horribly necessarily. Did you watch that video

1494
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: package before the fight at all, Luke that led up

1495
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: to it?

1496
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: I missed it.

1497
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: He basically admitted that most of his career he doesn't

1498
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: train consistently, He doesn't train with a lot of effort,

1499
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: that the the the motivation to train constantly comes and

1500
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: goes with him, and he has a lot of bad

1501
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: days where he's just not there mentally or you know,

1502
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: not there physically, and just it's just going through the motions.

1503
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 2: And I know this this fight was supposed to be

1504
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: the one where he kind of started to really put

1505
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: it together and care and you know, look, it was

1506
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: a wild fight for as lung as it lasted, and

1507
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: he got tapped out and that's what happens. But you know,

1508
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 2: I almost wanted to, like, you know, get his contact

1509
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 2: info and call him up and try to whole him up,

1510
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: because look, I think he does have really special talent,

1511
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: and I think if he goes all in and maxes

1512
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 2: this out, he's not done yet in this division. He's

1513
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: not done making noise. I mean, that's a tough loss

1514
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 2: at this time after watching that type of video, But

1515
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: you know, he's being perfectly honest. With us, and I

1516
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 2: respect that, but if that guy goes after it, he's

1517
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: got an interesting skill package, Luke, it's unrefined.

1518
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: Right, but it's unrefined. But I mean, here's the problem.

1519
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, he does have ability, and he's got

1520
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: a good coach, great coach, I would argue, a really

1521
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: great coach. But dude, if you're going to train part time, dude,

1522
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna get this is not a place to do that. Yeah,

1523
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: at all, at all, at all, like not just winning

1524
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: and losing, like terrible shit can happen to you.

1525
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: If he openly admitted in the video package that he

1526
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: has a lot of success early in fights and then

1527
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: he's always fighting scared because he knows the guest tanks

1528
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 2: gonna run out, and then he can't do it. And

1529
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 2: he's like, if I could do that for the full time,

1530
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: I'd be something you would be. I mean, you know,

1531
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: this is you're right, This sport's too dangerous to do

1532
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: it half asked. But to see somebody right at this

1533
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 2: sort of pivotal crossroads in their career, you know it's

1534
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: either going to go really bad or really good from him.

1535
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: I hope he he you know, looks in mirror and says, look,

1536
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: I haven't given my best effort yet. Let's see what

1537
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 2: happens if I do. You know, I wish you're really.

1538
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: It's it's cliche and it's silly, but this is why

1539
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: some of those guys you are kind of like good

1540
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: but never great. Not that I'm saying that about Spam,

1541
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: but like other guys I can think of who were

1542
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: good but not great, but had like renaissances at thirty three,

1543
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: thirty four, even thirty five at times. But the thing

1544
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: that enabled him to do that is those guys just

1545
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: made training their life. They didn't you know, competing was

1546
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: almost not incidental. It certainly was a major part of it.

1547
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 1: But like, even when their career is over, they're gonna

1548
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: train just about every day. That's just who they are.

1549
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: They'll dial back a little bit obviously, because they love it.

1550
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: They're married to it, they understand it. It's just part

1551
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: of breathing for them. If you don't have that, it's

1552
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna be you're gonna be in trouble against guys

1553
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: who do. It's, yeah, this is not a great place

1554
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: to have that kind of attitude, you know, Not that

1555
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm judging them for it, just for his own sake.

1556
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1557
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 2: I also didn't want you to miss with what Lynton

1558
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 2: Vote did and I almost dismissed it because you know,

1559
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: he lost to Moldowski. I like this triak he was on.

1560
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: I just didn't see this breaking out the way it

1561
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 2: did and I got it wrong in our okay bet,

1562
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: But dude, five wins in a row now knocking on

1563
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: Ryan Bader's door, tell me about this win over.

1564
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: Let me let me so on Friday, we're gonna play

1565
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: the clip here and I'll set it up and let

1566
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: Mikey take it away. But just to set this up,

1567
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: I told you guys that I noticed something on tape

1568
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,560
Speaker 1: with Lytton Vasel. He he can have good wrestling, he

1569
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: has good top control, but sometimes he can get taken down.

1570
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: But he's using this trick called the sumi geishi or

1571
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: sumi geishi. I just say it really quickly, which is basically,

1572
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: you take an inside hook and you kind of throw

1573
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: him past you out to the side, not overhead. You don't.

1574
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a it's not a hook sweep.

1575
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: You don't. You're not, you know, going with them. It's

1576
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: you can go on top and you can roll with them.

1577
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: But the way a lot of guys are using it

1578
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: Volkanovski against Islam Makachev is just to contest the takedown.

1579
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 1: And he used it. I showed you guys this on

1580
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: Friday on tape. Sure enough, he did it again this

1581
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: past Friday. Let's roll the tape clips for uh Litton vassel.

1582
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: There's something I want to show you. I don't know

1583
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: if we're gonna be able to slow it down. He

1584
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: does something called summa gaishi. Leg taken down here. Pay

1585
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 1: attention to the left leg right there. It's hard to see.

1586
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: It's very hard to see. He uses his left leg

1587
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: right there, and it's called asumagishi. This is exactly the

1588
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: same thing that Volkanovsky did to Islam Makachev to win

1589
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: in a scramble. He uses his left leg on an

1590
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: inside hook here right there, just to shuck him off

1591
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: to the side and then comes up on top. That's

1592
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: hard to do. That's all timing. It's just enough to

1593
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: create separation so he can rotate and come on top.

1594
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: He's crafty like that. And this is Saturday, this is Friday.

1595
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 1: Look at him one more time. Right, there's the summa

1596
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: gaishy hook, He's gonna rotate him off to the side

1597
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: and stand just like that. He does it over and

1598
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,719
Speaker 1: over again, off to the side like that. You see

1599
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: that whoop moves him and it allows him. He doesn't

1600
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: just shuck him off and then sit there. He shucks

1601
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: him off and then turns his own hips. He gets

1602
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: up right away, and it's a great way to either

1603
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: get the sweep or in this particular case, can test takedowns. Dude,

1604
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: that's a great thing for a big man to have

1605
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: in a heavyweight division like that.

1606
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 2: And dude, you know, like he talked about it after

1607
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 2: the win with Big Gun, when he gets full mout

1608
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: on you, you know, or or when he gets you in

1609
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,879
Speaker 2: a compromised top position, dude, he's a problem. He's a beast.

1610
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: Five wins in a row, and as I mentioned when

1611
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: we previewed this, that includes like stoppages of Sergei karatinof

1612
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 2: Honey Marks, Timothy Johnson, now Valentine Moldowski. There was a

1613
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: split decision against a tough tyroll fortune in between that. Luke,

1614
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: he fought Ryan Bader for the light heavyweight title some

1615
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 2: six years ago and lost via second round TKO. He's

1616
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: a different fighter. Now Beata is to some degree a

1617
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: little bit different fighter. Now, what are your hopes, what

1618
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 2: are your beliefs here that he's a viable heavyweight title

1619
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 2: threat here at beltor.

1620
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: I still think he's got some problems because he's not

1621
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: as much of a natural wrestler as Bader. And this

1622
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: is the big difference. The vassal is big, and I

1623
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: mean you can see he's well muscled. I think Baiter's quicker,

1624
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 1: even at this advanced stage of his career, even at heavyweight.

1625
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: He's got a speed edge I think on Linton Bissell,

1626
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: and I think that will make a difference in the end.

1627
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: But dude, you turn in performances like this, he polished

1628
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: them off. I think it was a right hook left

1629
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: straight that dropped him. And dude, once he gets on top,

1630
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: the cells control and grounded pound is terrifying. But I

1631
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: would still favor Baiter to win. But dude, he's doing great.

1632
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: He's doing really great things. Sorry, can we see that

1633
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: book off back tattoo?

1634
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see that shit. Um, it's aggressive, Luke. It

1635
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: used to be something else under the helmet. It was

1636
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 2: a different design.

1637
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: And he just it was like it was like a

1638
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: manta Ray. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. It's a lot,

1639
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. It's pretty good. Hey, Luke, that's pretty good.

1640
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: And you know, I always like to be honest with

1641
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: the audience. I mismanaged my fluid intake. I was very

1642
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: aggressive this morning. If you give me forty five seconds

1643
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: to make it a pause and you could tell people

1644
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,799
Speaker 2: how excited you are about Jonathan Martinez having the breakthrough

1645
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 2: winning his career, you know that would be good. I'll

1646
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: be right back, thank you.

1647
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: Go ahead. I'm gonna switch over to tim Zoo though,

1648
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 1: so I'll just see you up when you come back.

1649
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about this right now. We talk

1650
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: about topic number five. We finished with some boxing Tim

1651
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: Zoo over the weekend, stopping Tony Harrison in the ninth

1652
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: round in Australia. By the way, they're saying, now, I

1653
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: don't know this, we haven't confirmed this, but what we

1654
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: are told is that this fight might break the all

1655
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: time boxing record for pay per views in Australia, for

1656
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: whatever that is worth. But tim Zo ends up stopping

1657
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: Tony Harrison in the ninth, dropped him at a bare minimum,

1658
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: hurt him really bad in the third. Want to get

1659
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: BC back so we could talk about some of these results.

1660
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: The question I'm gonna ask him is based on this performance,

1661
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: did his chance as of victory against Jamel Charlow improved,

1662
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: because obviously that one is now headed. Next, I'll say this, dude,

1663
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: tim Zo looked good. He looked real good. He looks

1664
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: like he's got some pop. He has very good ring

1665
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: craft and control and cutting off the ring in terms

1666
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: of just cornering guys. It looks to me like I

1667
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't call him like a super super super crazy hard

1668
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: puncher in the weight class, but it looks to me

1669
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: like he's got some pop. There were times where he

1670
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: was tagging Tony and you could see Tony's eyes get

1671
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: real wide, and you know it was the pain would

1672
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: and the punishment was shocking him, almost quite literally, and

1673
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: then mentally it was causing problems as well. But the

1674
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 1: other part too, that I think we can't look past,

1675
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: is I thought Tony Harrison looked a little old. I

1676
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: didn't think that was the best Tony Harrison we'd ever seen.

1677
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: That much lateral movement, which he didn't need at first

1678
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:46,879
Speaker 1: because his jab was pumping, But it wasn't a great

1679
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: showing from him. So I don't want to take anything

1680
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: from Tim Zuo. He looked better here than he did

1681
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: in the Terrell Gochet fight, and that's really all you

1682
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: really want, Like did he look better fight over fight?

1683
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,679
Speaker 1: The answer is yes, much better. In fact, I would say, BC,

1684
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: where are you? How much of it was Tim Zoo

1685
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: looking great? How much of it was Tony Harrison look

1686
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: a little long in the tooth?

1687
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: You know, maybe seventy five twenty five on that split

1688
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 2: in favor of Zoo. And you know I came in late, Luke,

1689
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: putting this air piece back in after this bad mismanagement

1690
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 2: of fluids. But it sounded like you were a little

1691
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: down to some degree on Tim Zoo, and I would

1692
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 2: have to say no, no, no.

1693
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: No, Like the opposite, I'm high on him. I'm high

1694
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: on all right.

1695
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 2: Look the adjustment he made from the Tourella Gochet fight

1696
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 2: where he got a determinator mode when he got dropped

1697
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 2: in the first round, and you know, shout out Reggie

1698
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: Jackson for the appearance. But let's get serious, Luke, I

1699
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: thought the adjustments he made were perfect, meaning you didn't

1700
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: see an over commitment from Tim Zuo. It wasn't that

1701
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 2: wild cave man of walking into shots and just saying, look,

1702
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just penetrate this wall to the point where

1703
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna eventually break you or outwork you like you

1704
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 2: did to Goshe. This was intelligent middle distance fighting, and

1705
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 2: what that means and does is Zoo was allowed to

1706
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: sit down on his punches and particularly not spam with shots.

1707
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: Although that you worked the jab pretty well, but be

1708
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: a constant countering threat with heavy shots, but do it

1709
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: at such a close distance. Because he wasn't constantly spamming

1710
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 2: with the jab or whatever, he didn't allow any exits

1711
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 2: for Tony Harrison. So this was pinning a veteran fighter

1712
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 2: in Harrison, either to the corner or to the ropes,

1713
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: but not overly committing with his shots, and that was

1714
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 2: allowing him to keep Harrison in a disadvantageous position where

1715
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 2: he really couldn't get much leverage on his shots. Yes,

1716
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: Tony Harrison had that quick jab and there were certain

1717
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 2: you know, old school tricks he does to kind of

1718
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: hang in that fight, but Zue dominated him at that distance.

1719
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 2: And when he can start breaking you down, and you

1720
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 2: know Luke his commitment when he is a body puncher,

1721
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: he can be very a lot of trouble to deal with.

1722
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 2: So I loved a lot of what he did. It

1723
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 2: was smart and it was also, look, if you can't

1724
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: get me off of this spot this close to you,

1725
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna load up with big time power shots, countershots,

1726
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: and you know I'm gonna hurt you. And you know,

1727
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: we knew the death Star could explode if Tim Zue

1728
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: could find that right button. You know, It's happened three

1729
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: times before to Tony Harrison, all in fights. He was winning,

1730
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 2: by the way, and the only part ultimately about this

1731
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: performance that puzzles me to a certain degree Luke is

1732
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 2: the scoring of the Australian judges having it seventy seven

1733
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: seventy five Zoo at the time of the stoppage, when

1734
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 2: Steve Farhood on the broadcast, and by the way, great

1735
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: to see Steve back on camera for the first time

1736
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 2: in two years. I think I had the same scorer

1737
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 2: you did and he did, which was basically, you know,

1738
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 2: seven eight rounds to one. Whatever it was in favor

1739
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 2: of Zoo. It was sort of systematic domination. And you

1740
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 2: know he was vulnerable at times against Goshet because it

1741
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 2: was too reckless to Gung Ho too. I'm gonna show you, guys.

1742
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 2: This was the fight where he really showed us he's

1743
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a he's gonna be in this Charlo fight.

1744
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 2: Will you favor him betting wise? No, It'll be interesting

1745
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 2: to see how the experts have it split. And you know,

1746
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: Jamar Charlo is still a very tough style for this

1747
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 2: version of Zoo. But if this version of Zoo can

1748
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: be as poised and patient and calculating as he was

1749
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 2: against Harrison here, this is gonna be a good fight

1750
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 2: if they do that this summer for all four world titles.

1751
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Charlo fight, it is the interesting dynamic here

1752
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: for meb see, because Charlo can be a guy who

1753
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: takes rounds off and whatnot. But I think he's going

1754
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: to be busier than Zoo. I think he punches as hard,

1755
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: if not harder than Zoo, and I think he would

1756
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: not necessarily, you know, he's faced a Castagno type who

1757
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: was kind of in his face round to pressure him.

1758
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 1: You know. So I don't know. I don't know about

1759
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: this one. I tend to think Charlo, h I tend

1760
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: to thin Charlie's just a bad matchup for him, right?

1761
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: Is that a fair way to say it.

1762
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 2: Or is that yeah, because Charlo is so explosive as

1763
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: a counterpuncher that you know, you he'll change the entire

1764
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 2: tenor of the fight with one big shot. Tony was

1765
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,799
Speaker 2: not able to do it. Look quickly on Tony okay,

1766
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 2: because we said, yeah, there you go, thanks Mike, because

1767
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 2: we said, you know, at times, Luke, was this a

1768
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 2: little bit of him getting old to some degree? It

1769
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 2: probably was over the accumulation, but he never admitted to

1770
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 2: power shots with that right hand. Luke. You know, the

1771
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: jab was there, it was quick. He had educated Jebs.

1772
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 2: You know, he'd split the guard with it. There's a

1773
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 2: lot you could like there. Why wasn't Harrison willing to

1774
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 2: go for Broke? Do you think it was the danger

1775
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 2: of Zoo standing so close to him?

1776
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? That and you know he had some time off

1777
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 1: in this last fight between this and his last one,

1778
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: and he just you know again, it's like, I'm not

1779
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: saying he's shot. I don't think he's fully shot. I

1780
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: don't think that's I don't think that's right. But a

1781
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 1: hesitancy to throw back is in boxing is usually a

1782
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: bit of a bad sign about where they're at and

1783
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: where they're headed, so I agree the jab was deep,

1784
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: the job was good. Actually, the jab from Tony was good,

1785
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: and there were opportunities to throw the right, but he

1786
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: just didn't feel confident in it. And I think part

1787
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: of that is he just didn't feel confident overall once

1788
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: he got really in there looking across from Zoo, you know, Charloe's.

1789
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: Going to feel confident with that, even with the long

1790
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 2: way off, So that'll be something. I don't know if

1791
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 2: Mike's got a video play back here on the on

1792
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 2: the stoppage, but Luke, that was five consecutive right uppercuts

1793
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: from Zoo as Harrison was pinned against the ropes. He

1794
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 2: landed four of them flush and then hit a violent

1795
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: right cross. As Harrison was almost turning his body completely

1796
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 2: away from the punch. He was in the most vulnerable

1797
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 2: state you could be. In fact, when you even turn

1798
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 2: your face, you know that much to the side. The

1799
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 2: referee can legally stop the fight. It basically means you're

1800
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 2: moving away from the the uh, you know the violence

1801
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: coming at you. The ref not only did not stop

1802
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 2: the fight, he gave Harrison a chance to get to

1803
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 2: his feet. Would you call this stupage? Uh? Potentially dangerous

1804
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 2: or what did you see that?

1805
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it went on a little too long for my liking.

1806
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: They could have been they could have let that one,

1807
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 1: excuse me, they could have interfered in that one much quicker.

1808
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,959
Speaker 1: It seemed like they were just waiting. Sometimes these referees

1809
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: are like, well, he's still fighting back, and it's like,

1810
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: it feels to me like you're just waiting for him

1811
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: to get a very clean I'm up here, he's face first,

1812
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: and then it makes the job easy, It's like, and

1813
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 1: I get that they don't. Sometimes you see a referee

1814
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: be like, you know, we don't want to be the

1815
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: ones to decide if we don't have to. But by

1816
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 1: letting it go, you are being the one who's like,

1817
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: you are deciding that it's going to look more like

1818
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: a massacre than it needs to. You have the job

1819
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: to be the humane representative in this equation, and they

1820
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: just let it. They just let it rock. So not

1821
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: not a great stoppage. I mean, yes, Zoo, fair winner,

1822
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: but not a great stoppage at all.

1823
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: No, right, no, all right, So if we hey, look,

1824
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 2: I think that there was some talk to the idea

1825
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: of Charlo being healthy July ish. I know he was on.

1826
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 2: He was, you know, announcer on the telecast Saturday when

1827
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 2: they called that from the studios in New York. But uh,

1828
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: where do you think the odds will be? Where do you

1829
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 2: think they should be? How tough of a challenge coming

1830
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: off of the Castano two fights where Charlo made incredible

1831
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: adjustments in the second one, and to be fair, he

1832
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 2: may have lost that first one right like legit, but

1833
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 2: we saw him make the same adjustments against Tony Harrison

1834
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 2: in the rematch. So, dude, Charlo's he's great. I mean,

1835
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: he's a great, a great, smart, powerful boxer.

1836
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say I'm gonna say, like a minus

1837
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: three hunch for charge.

1838
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: That's that's wide. Come on, that's a little bit fifty.

1839
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: I like it in the two's I think, all right,

1840
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 2: you like it in the.

1841
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: K two fifty. I see what you did there?

1842
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 2: Really is your pausible deniability? Probably you're not.

1843
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you're not. So anyway, that's our top

1844
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: five for the day. It's time now for when the

1845
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: we put up social posts on Sunday, you guys fill

1846
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: them up. The producers pick questions and then we answer them.

1847
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: It's time for dms from the digity don'ts.

1848
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 2: Go do it? Did you like Tim Zu's uh, what's

1849
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 2: my motherfucking name? Like that? What the hell was he

1850
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: doing with that ship? The crowd liked it, but it

1851
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 2: was a little weird.

1852
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: I said, all these things you talk about because I

1853
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: didn't watch the fights live. I skipped all of it

1854
01:24:58,880 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 1: as well.

1855
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you watch with the volume down. I know

1856
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 2: how you do it.

1857
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, often, often I have.

1858
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: Because there's aggressive music being played in your house. Two

1859
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 2: Key's living her best life at all times, and I'm

1860
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: here for that. Definitely.

1861
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,759
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. The Princess and the Frog soundtrack

1862
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: very underrated, very underrated. We've been listening to a lot

1863
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: of Princess and the Frog soundtrack around here.

1864
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 2: Is that the new Obsession post Bruno?

1865
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, that's her favorite movie right now.

1866
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: It's not a new movie. It's been out for I

1867
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: don't know five or so years, but yeah, she loves

1868
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: it all right. From at Z dot f RM dot

1869
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: E sp is yan kneeing sterling in the head one

1870
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: of the most career altering decisions in a fight. Boy.

1871
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: It's up there BC because you think about it and

1872
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: you go back to the first fight. If he doesn't

1873
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: do that, it looked to me very clearly to be

1874
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: on his way to winning. He would have had it,

1875
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: would never have had the rematch, may have cruised on.

1876
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 1: But here's the problem BC. I don't think people figured

1877
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: him out by accident. Yan is very talented, but he

1878
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: has a lot of observable habits, and if you have

1879
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot of observable habits, people can game plan around it.

1880
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: This is not a bad way to block a punch,

1881
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 1: but everything has its trade offs. It has benefits and

1882
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 1: has minuses. The benefit is it's a great way to

1883
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: block and you don't have to move out a position.

1884
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: The problem is if you do this now, of course

1885
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: your hands aren't there, for example, to defend a takedown

1886
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: or a body shot or whatever. And they have built

1887
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 1: game plans around this.

1888
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: That's yeah, Marob. Did you see that that clean double

1889
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: leg he got when when Yon was hiding up on

1890
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: the under the guard too much? You know, yeah, it

1891
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 2: was sweet on this topic, would you compare this to

1892
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 2: the spinny shit Chris Widman tried to pull against rock Hold,

1893
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: even though.

1894
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, his career just went like that afterwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1895
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: by the way, was true. We didn't mention it. Chris

1896
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 1: Widman back in action this past weekend in a submission

1897
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: grappling match sure against this dude. I think his name

1898
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: is Owen livery Uh he's I might be pronouncing his

1899
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: last name wrong, who is like a very well trained

1900
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: judoka and I think a jiu jitsu black belt too,

1901
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: but like a high level judoka dude. They had a

1902
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: killer grappling match and by the way, another slimmy gaishi

1903
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: that was used to get Chris Widman off of him

1904
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,919
Speaker 1: when he got a double lake takedown. But like a great,

1905
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: great match. It was great to see Chris Wiman back.

1906
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: He didn't win BC, but he looked good. He looked

1907
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: pretty good.

1908
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this is all heart what

1909
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: he's doing right here, you know, trying to come back

1910
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: on his own terms. Just and I give him a

1911
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 2: lot of credit. Luke. Uh, weird enough that I brought

1912
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 2: Widman into this conversation of potential turning point moments. You

1913
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 2: have to say, Anderson Silva in the first Widman fight too, Luke,

1914
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 2: that was a pretty bad decision to try to lure

1915
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: in all those punches. And was he ever the same

1916
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 2: sense then?

1917
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: No? No, No, that was a big ass turning point

1918
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 1: for sure, all right, BC from DVR d V RAUCI.

1919
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 1: With Morob clearly qualified for a title shot, would that

1920
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: be the biggest most competitive teammates fight ever? Okay, BC,

1921
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: let's think about it. Biggest teammate fight ever, other like

1922
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 1: guys from the same kron or not crop jam, but

1923
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: like any major gym going at it and boxing that

1924
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: you can think of.

1925
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: I mean, stuff like that's happened.

1926
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: But I mean the biggest one is Rashot on level.

1927
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not. I mean even recently in boxing, Danny

1928
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 2: Jacobs fought Machi Sulechki and they both had the same trainer,

1929
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 2: So Sulechki left that camp for one fight and got

1930
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: another trainer, but then came back after. But you know

1931
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 2: that's not on this level, John Jones, Rashot is. Isn't

1932
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 2: that the working comparison basically.

1933
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, just as you sent the timeline, Rashot

1934
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: had left Jackson's by the time they fought. But in

1935
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: terms of right teammates, in terms of teammates for a

1936
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: while and then having this major fallout, yes, in terms

1937
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: of like guys who stayed at the team. My understanding

1938
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 1: is this happens frequently in kickboxing, where guys who all

1939
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: train at like Mike's gym or whatever in Amsterdam, they'll

1940
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: end up competing against one another. It's really not that

1941
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 1: big a deal. Part of it is cultural. The Dutch

1942
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: don't seem to mind it nearly as much. Make of

1943
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: that what you will.

1944
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: But Mar Gilbert, did you say, Kmar Gilbert.

1945
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: It's another one, Kamara Gilbert's another one. But Morob and

1946
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: Morob and al Joel would be a big one if that,

1947
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 1: If it happens again, I don't think it's likely, but

1948
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy either. People like, oh, it'll

1949
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: never happen.

1950
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, those people need to check themselves before they

1951
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 2: wreck themselves.

1952
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: All right, BC at triple A ten seventeen. Name anyone

1953
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: in MMA that has a better motor than Morob BC,

1954
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: they don't exist. Not only does Morob have the best

1955
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: gas tank currently in MMA. Trying to think long term,

1956
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: he might have the best one I've ever seen, and

1957
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1958
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 2: Would you say it's better than sea level cane?

1959
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is better than sea level cane? Yeah?

1960
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 2: I mean that was pretty remarkable in that size of

1961
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 2: a body, because it wasn't like Kane was all caught up, Luke,

1962
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 2: you know, he yeah, it's it's remarkable. It's remarkable how

1963
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 2: many times.

1964
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 1: The highest volume like per round in boxing, like the

1965
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: figure rows and shit.

1966
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 2: Like that, they'd be up there. Yeah, they'd certainly be

1967
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 2: up there. You know. The times that those compu box

1968
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: records get challenged or broken a lot of times is

1969
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 2: when you have an aggressive boxer who doesn't have power.

1970
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 2: Remember like the baby Bulwan Diez or there was this

1971
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 2: guy on ESPN Friday Night Fights, super ray A Lavera

1972
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 2: back in the nineties and two thousands, who these are

1973
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 2: guys that just come at you and just non stop,

1974
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 2: just hitting both buttons A and B buttons over and

1975
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: over again. But they don't, you know, don't have big,

1976
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 2: gaudy knockout totals. No, no one's on morobs. I mean,

1977
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, the Diaz brothers do triathlons, Luke. I don't

1978
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,560
Speaker 2: know if you've heard that before.

1979
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: But they've mentioned that at a time or to build.

1980
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 2: But you know, seriously, like remember when when DC like

1981
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 2: dominated Stepe in the first round of the rematch with

1982
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 2: the wrestling and you know, I was like, why can't

1983
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 2: you just do that? For the whole five rounds and

1984
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 2: people are like, you can't do that for the whole

1985
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 2: five rounds, or even remember Curtis Blades kicked the shit

1986
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 2: out of Volkal for three rounds with wrestling and then

1987
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 2: like barely made the finish line down the stretch. You

1988
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 2: can't do that, Luke, you just can't. And it's not

1989
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 2: all wrestling, right, but it's constant movement. You would agree

1990
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 2: that these these hurky jerky faints that are now full

1991
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 2: time part of Morob's game. Dude, that's that's not easy.

1992
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 2: That's not easy to pick up on.

1993
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: No, he's really beginning to blend it into something of

1994
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: a more coherent hole rather than just kind of going

1995
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 1: so he can just go. But now he's putting some

1996
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: science behind it and the results are devastating, all right, BC.

1997
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 1: From at Jimmy Underscore read, he says, living in Australia,

1998
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: Timmy Zoo has been presented as a superstar and are

1999
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: shining light in Australian boxing. Did that presentation translate to

2000
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 1: an American audience on the coverage over the weekend? We

2001
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 1: do you think, BC?

2002
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say so, I'd say, look is a translate question?

2003
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: About did he come out in front of his home crowd,

2004
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 2: like looking like a stud a star, looking like the

2005
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 2: crowd the crowd you know, has huge adulation where yeah,

2006
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 2: I mean when he do you know whether you thought

2007
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 2: that was cool or not. Like when I'm coming out

2008
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 2: being like say my name, you know, what's my motherfucking name?

2009
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Like he's he's out there screaming for respect, not just

2010
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 2: in the division for you know, for Charlow, but I

2011
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:02,759
Speaker 2: think to get out of the shadow of his father

2012
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 2: to some degree too. And you know, coaches, it was

2013
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 2: supposed to be at this fight, but they mentioned on

2014
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 2: the broadcast they had an ailing relative in Russia that

2015
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 2: kept him back. But you know they're close, but not

2016
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 2: like minute by minute close. And I think that's all

2017
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 2: part of it is He's trying to prove to the

2018
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 2: world but to his fans in Australia too. I'm just

2019
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 2: a you know, my own person, and you can really say,

2020
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 2: Luke that there's some real poise, like, you know, in

2021
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 2: terms of intangibles. You know, it's like I always been jealous. Look,

2022
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 2: I've said this before of kids that grew up like

2023
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 2: their dad owned a store or something. You know, this

2024
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 2: grow up like business is natural, you know, or the

2025
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 2: dad was a landlord or something, it's just like natural.

2026
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 2: I'll just slide into that area. Just yeah, I've seen

2027
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 2: it done. You know, look at what this guy's seen

2028
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: done and his father, and you mix that with hard

2029
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 2: work and extreme belief in yourself and and you get

2030
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 2: the potential for the for that terminator to come out

2031
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 2: in the big moments. He looks like in absolute stud

2032
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 2: and and you know, maybe that US debut which was

2033
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: impressive but not not convincing enough into terms of like

2034
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 2: exactly who he is. Again, we've teased it around. He

2035
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,679
Speaker 2: needed this in between fight before taking on the full

2036
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 2: challenge of Charlow for himself, for the critics to understand

2037
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 2: who he really is. And he's all those things. He's

2038
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 2: a star and he is legitimately in contention here to

2039
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 2: potentially be the new undisputed champion.

2040
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: You see, my best friend in high school, his dad

2041
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: was an immigrant from Iran. They had they had to

2042
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 1: flee Iran in nineteen seventy nine during the Islamic Revolution.

2043
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: They were not Muslims, they were something called Bahai and

2044
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: so they were basically told leave or we're going to

2045
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 1: kill you. So they all left, and so they moved

2046
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: to the United States and they opened up a video

2047
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 1: business to compete with Blockbuster in Marietta, Georgia. They had

2048
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: several locations. It was called Video Wonderland. Well you can

2049
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: imagine what happened to Video Wonderland. It went tits up

2050
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and so it was cool for a while.

2051
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 1: My friend's dad had a video store, but then I

2052
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: had to help them box video so they could sell

2053
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 1: all the inventory to get rid of it. It sucked.

2054
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 1: That was not much.

2055
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 2: It was interesting you use the term tits up. Did

2056
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,759
Speaker 2: they have one of those back rooms with the curtain?

2057
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't they. I don't know if they did not.

2058
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 2: In the store there, like you know a lot of

2059
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 2: those stores, the guy at the register is not really

2060
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 2: paying attention. Like you could walk back there and we've

2061
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 2: all done it. But there's a lot of shame associated

2062
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 2: with that, because what.

2063
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: If you I told you this, I've rented, Dude, I

2064
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 1: go into there, I've done it. I've rented. Like in college,

2065
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: I rented pornography from a local video store and never

2066
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: returned it, never returned it.

2067
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 2: Well, that's probably they.

2068
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Were, like this is back in the days of answering machine.

2069
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: So like my my my roommates would play in college.

2070
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 1: They'd be like, this is whatever the store was called,

2071
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 1: like you know, video fuck face Land whatever it was,

2072
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,639
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, uh, this question for Luke Thomas.

2073
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: You have an overde title. It's uh, it's an adult feature.

2074
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: If you could give us a call back or return

2075
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: out of your earliest convenience, that'd be great. Thanks one.

2076
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm not returning Burying the Bone four hours of Paramon

2077
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Bang and I'm not doing that.

2078
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 2: No, But like you know, you'd have to take a

2079
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:03,600
Speaker 2: real risk on potential shame because you know it's in

2080
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,560
Speaker 2: your town. When you come out from that curtain, anybody's

2081
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 2: parents could be standing right there, Luke, your teacher, anyone.

2082
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 2: But you know, did I did I shamelessly roll that

2083
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 2: dice the answer Luke again and again? Yeah, yeah I did?

2084
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: You know I did as well?

2085
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 2: Ye right now too? Yeah?

2086
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, last mona least last monat least at Harrison Smith

2087
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: twenty seven? Is Leon talking about Leon Edwards? Is Leon's

2088
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: road to victory easier or harder for this fight than

2089
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 1: the one before? It's actually what is that interesting question?

2090
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 2: So what does the road to victory part mean.

2091
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: So here's what I think he means, Like, Okay, on

2092
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 1: the one hand, you got the win over Kamaru. So

2093
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 1: there's two ways to look at that. One you realize,

2094
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 1: wait a second, I can do this. I can find openings.

2095
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: I can look on tape. I can set things up.

2096
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: I've literally stopped him with strikes. Why couldn't I do

2097
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: it again? Boost your confidence, give you a potential road

2098
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: map of technique to follow. That's one interpretation. The other

2099
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: interpretation is, Okay, you stopped him. Does this overly motivate Kamaru, who,

2100
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 1: by the way, hasn't done a ton of media leading

2101
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 1: up to this. I want to point that out. That's one.

2102
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll be talking to me tomorrow.

2103
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: Just very good, very good. But I'm pointing out and also,

2104
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: does he now based on what he's seen on tape,

2105
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: change a bunch of things that close, a bunch of

2106
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: doors that may have been available to you based on

2107
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: what happened the last time? So does it really lift

2108
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 1: Leon in both the terms of motivation and actual things

2109
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: he can look at, or does it actually lift Kamaru

2110
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 1: by him closing the doors on deficiencies that he previously

2111
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: had open.

2112
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 2: That's fair that's fair.

2113
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: I can hear Reggie Jackson purring.

2114
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very aggressive in all the things he does

2115
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 2: in life, including trying to take down all of my

2116
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,880
Speaker 2: posters aggressively to get me mad at him. So then

2117
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 2: I'll pet him, Luke. You know, he's got a system

2118
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 2: and a plan. I'll say this ultimately about that question. Wait, wait,

2119
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 2: what was the question again? No, I got it. I'll

2120
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 2: say that there's more pressure on him now and in

2121
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 2: front of the home crowd, but in his mind, he's

2122
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 2: got to be pretty confident because you know, there was

2123
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 2: some luck involved, but it was a calculated move that

2124
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 2: won him that. And we do have to ask those

2125
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 2: two things that I'm sure we mentioned on the pregame preview,

2126
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 2: the combination of what does a knockout loss that devastating

2127
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 2: dude to Kamorrow physically and mentally and the idea of

2128
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 2: he's thirty six with a very intensive style, when does

2129
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: he get old? Does that knockout help him get Because

2130
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for him to break down, but if

2131
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 2: you get if you slip a little bit at this level, right,

2132
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, could Leon come through? And yeah, I mean Leon,

2133
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be I've largely been under the idea that

2134
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: all that's great, but if Usman's really that champion, that

2135
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 2: transcendent guy, he's going to come back and fix this,

2136
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 2: you know, in a GSP Sarah Newness pena type deal.

2137
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 2: But people like to counter that by reminding me that

2138
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 2: Leon Edwards took Usman down in round wand and won

2139
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 2: the round Luke, So you know there are parts of

2140
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 2: him that feels style wise in the way this makes up,

2141
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 2: but Luke the missing ingredient. The most DM that I

2142
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 2: get on this topic, usually in relation to this pregame

2143
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 2: preview we just put out, is why are you guys

2144
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 2: not mentioning the elevation in Salt Lake City and how

2145
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 2: that affected both fighters in that fight in how that

2146
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 2: won't be there this time and could that make Leon's

2147
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,240
Speaker 2: road easier than harder this time around?

2148
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it benefits both guys, and you're talking about

2149
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 1: a guy in Kamaru who when he wants to, can

2150
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: have an insane work rate. Remember who are the other

2151
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 1: two fighters I mentioned beyond Morob who had at least

2152
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 1: ten takedowns in the one fight that they also have

2153
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 1: one hundred significant strikes landed. It was Kane. It was

2154
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: Kamaru and now it's Morob. So you're talking about a

2155
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: guy who can fucking work when he wants to. I

2156
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 1: don't I definitely see that as a benefit for both guys, Honestly,

2157
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't.

2158
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: I don't.

2159
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 1: To me, it's like maybe Lusman gets a little bit

2160
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: more of a benefit because he works more, But I

2161
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: don't see that as like the deciding factor one way

2162
01:38:58,200 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 1: or the other.

2163
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 2: Right, No, I'd stay with you on that.

2164
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly not certainly we're not ignoring it, or at

2165
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 1: least we're not. We're not trying to ignore it. But

2166
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how decisive that will be. That's a

2167
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 1: little harder to say. Also, these guys are championship level fighters. Like,

2168
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 1: it's not like Leon has bad cardio. Leon's got Leo's

2169
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: got real good cardio or just good enough certainly, Uh,

2170
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: maybe not as good as Kamoro, but he's got very

2171
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: good cardio. Is He's not an unprepared fighter under any circumstance.

2172
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,400
Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see, we'll see. Now, BC, we

2173
01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: have a choice to make. Oh, actually we don't have

2174
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: a choice to make. And do you want to tell

2175
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 1: the folks what's up with have you seen this shit.

2176
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're having playback issues here, so we're gonna be

2177
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 2: unable to unveil the h y Sts today. We'll have

2178
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 2: to run that on Wednesday's show. But we will close

2179
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:49,759
Speaker 2: Luke with some actual big news from over the weekend

2180
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 2: in a video to play with it.

2181
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

2182
01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 2: We were when we last left you on talks of

2183
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,719
Speaker 2: an idea of an undisputed heavyweight championship out between Tyson

2184
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 2: Fury and three belt champion Alexander Usak. Fury had sent

2185
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: that video that we played that said you know you

2186
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 2: pay you let me get that seventy thirty financial cut

2187
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 2: or your shit out of luck. Brother. We got a

2188
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 2: response from Usk. Let's throw to that video that way.

2189
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:16,679
Speaker 5: So, greedy Belly, I accept your offer seventy to thirty

2190
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 5: split the fight with you on April twenty nine at Wembley,

2191
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 5: but you will promise to donate to Ukrainian immediately after

2192
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 5: the fight a million pounds. On every day of your deally,

2193
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 5: you will pay one percent from your poorest to Ukrainian people.

2194
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 2: Del Look, you know he's trolling us with that like

2195
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 2: fake barad thing, but when he opens with greedy Belly,

2196
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 2: like that's just brilliant.

2197
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: I find this whole thing exhausting. And then Tyson has

2198
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: some new.

2199
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 2: An actually Tyson's new one, but you know my.

2200
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: Put like minutes ago, he just put it.

2201
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,799
Speaker 2: Okay, it appeared from my cup. And you're a ESPNS

2202
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 2: reporting that April twenty ninth is real, that USIK is

2203
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 2: really accepting the thirty percent split financially and we are

2204
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 2: really adding this absolute historical masterpiece of a fight to

2205
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 2: an already loaded march in April here in combat sports? Uh,

2206
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 2: hell yeah? Can I say that out loud? Hell? Yeah,

2207
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:17,600
Speaker 2: you're feeling it? Or no?

2208
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 1: You got it? Yeah? No, big time. If they can

2209
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: make it happen, they keep doing this bs in the media.

2210
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:23,799
Speaker 1: I don't care. But if they make it happen.

2211
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if the biggest struggle is the thirty percent,

2212
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,799
Speaker 2: the man said, you know, hey, donate a million pounds

2213
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 2: to Ukraine, and let's do it. Tyson might have.

2214
01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 1: Fucking just you don't you donate a million? Stop doing this.

2215
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:38,600
Speaker 1: This is just fucking nonsense. Make the fighter, don't make

2216
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 1: the fucking fight like, oh we have that. It's just

2217
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: it's just fucking ridiculous, Like it's just the who's this four?

2218
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 2: Who's this f right, we're gonna be We're gonna be

2219
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 2: loading the Tyson fury response in the uh in the

2220
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 2: in the hopper soon to play.

2221
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 1: But Lou, how old is Reggie Jackson?

2222
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 2: He's like three now, I think, Oh he's young.

2223
01:41:59,000 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2224
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's start to finally slowed maybe four. Yeah, he's

2225
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 2: starting to figure life out a little bit more and

2226
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 2: not just break everything. And so like, you know, my

2227
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 2: wife thinks that all the animals walk all over me. Luke, Like,

2228
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 2: I don't put up boundaries, but you know, you know, only.

2229
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: There's nothing, there's nothing in the world that you love

2230
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: more than stray animals.

2231
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, that's fair, that's fair. All these

2232
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 2: were this was a homeless cat loop that I that

2233
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 2: we legitimately rescued him.

2234
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,919
Speaker 1: Where did you get Where did you get Reggie from?

2235
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 2: Just a shelter? I told you, shelter in Shelton, Connecticut

2236
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: where he was. He's around dog, so he's not afraid

2237
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 2: of anything except for going outside, Luke, he's you know,

2238
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 2: violently afraid of that. But outside of that, you know,

2239
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 2: in this in his castle, he's the king, and we're

2240
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 2: all just trying to you know, catch up to it.

2241
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 1: You know, one regret I have with Mocho. I didn't

2242
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: have a great answer for it, because if you take

2243
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 1: your cat to the vet, the vet will tell you this,

2244
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 1: do what you want. But the studies are clear, if

2245
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 1: you let your cat out, they are in general going

2246
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: to have a much shorter life, yes, right between between

2247
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: other animals getting them. It depending on where you live, cars,

2248
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: you name it. They just they live shorter lives in general,

2249
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 1: but they tend to live happier lives. I think. Uh So,

2250
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 1: I had cats that I let out, but all of

2251
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 1: them got fucked up over time. So I was like,

2252
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 1: all right, well, Mocho's going to stay inside. But yo,

2253
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 1: Mocho hated staying inside. Man. I was really bad about it.

2254
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. You know.

2255
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 2: I hear you, Luke, where do you rank Usik Fury?

2256
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 2: And you're I'm most excited about this single combat sports

2257
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 2: fight over the next few months.

2258
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: Top six or seven?

2259
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 2: Wow? Six or seven? Really?

2260
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2261
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I was one.

2262
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, this one doesn't do much for me.

2263
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, let me be clear about this. I want

2264
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 1: to see it. I hope it gets made. It's important

2265
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:48,559
Speaker 1: to be made. I don't in any way challenge any

2266
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: of the things you've said about it that make it

2267
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 1: relevant or important or interesting. It just doesn't call my

2268
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: attention that strong, partly because I believe Fury is gonna win.

2269
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that competitive. I mean, I think

2270
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 1: it's competitive, but like, ultimately, I just that'd be very

2271
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 1: surprised if Fury lost. I have to tell you, you know

2272
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 1: what I'm much more interested in, which apparently Jake Donovan

2273
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: has given some life to is. Apparently there are some

2274
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 1: real talks, real talks between Francis and Ganu and Deontay.

2275
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 2: Wilder and and I heard aj too, those reports out

2276
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:24,680
Speaker 2: there that he's stalking a.

2277
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 1: Bowl, So like that, let's stick with Wilder. They were

2278
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 1: supposed to make Wilder Ruiz but they but both guys

2279
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 1: balked at it because they're both with PBC. But the

2280
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: money that they had offered to do the fight, I

2281
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 1: guess it wasn't enough for them, or they didn't they

2282
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: just didn't work, so they went in a different direction.

2283
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: Now Deontay is expensive, Well, you could pay Deontay a

2284
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 1: lot if you're also paying Francis a lot for one

2285
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:48,680
Speaker 1: of these crossover fights. And dude, here's the best part.

2286
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: Francis we know has just nuclear power. How much with

2287
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: the gloves and in the boxing contest, I don't know,

2288
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 1: but BC, it's not like Deontay's a great boxer. No,

2289
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: of course, the thing dude like he gets hit and fuck,

2290
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 1: this fight would be hit.

2291
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:07,719
Speaker 2: This fight would be more about Francis's like head movement

2292
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:09,680
Speaker 2: and defense, like how long can he hang in here?

2293
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:13,439
Speaker 2: Because but also don't forget Francis got a chin on him.

2294
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 2: I mean he took a sustained beating in the first

2295
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 2: Dpay fight and had his guest think just you know,

2296
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 2: poured upside down twice over and still you know, still grinding.

2297
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: And they'll he'll need it against the guy like Wilder

2298
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: if they make it, because he's got nuclear power too.

2299
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, you've got the Fury responsible.

2300
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hear from Tyson Fury here. Thank you Mikey

2301
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 2: on the.

2302
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 3: Hi Tyson Fury here.

2303
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 1: Just a quick one.

2304
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 3: I've been speaking to the lawyers today and USEX people

2305
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 3: are talking about rematch clauses and all that bollocks. Here's

2306
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 3: one talk the anties. How about there is no fucking

2307
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:51,600
Speaker 3: rematch clause for both of us. Let's hope the ampties completely.

2308
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 3: Never worry about what's in the future and how many

2309
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 3: more dollars you can get after you've been defeated. Worry

2310
01:45:57,000 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 3: about the fight. April twenty ninth, no match clause. The

2311
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 3: win that takes the glory. The loser goes home, but

2312
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 3: he's dick in his hand. How about that? Agree to that,

2313
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 3: you fucking bitch.

2314
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 1: Dude.

2315
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 2: That's that's an all time great sound bite right there,

2316
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 2: Holy crab, take that. Yeah, looke, The loser will go

2317
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 2: home most likely with their dick in their hands. But

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Does that make you? I get

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01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 2: it what you said off the off the starts like

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01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 2: make the fight and shut up. But we're still getting

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Speaker 2: this fight, right, huh?

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01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:34,680
Speaker 1: Probably? I don't know. I don't I don't know. I

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01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 1: don't know if we're getting twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: All right, real quickly? May twentieth, Luke sources Mike Coppinger

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01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 2: of ESPN reporting Devin Haney all four lightweight titles against

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01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 2: Siely Lomachenko. Give me that, Give me that, brother.

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01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a sick one. That's a sick one. That's

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01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 1: going to be great.

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Speaker 2: The other bit of news was, of course, the main

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01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 2: event on Saturday for a Zuofa and Company was the

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01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 2: first Slap pay per view Luke, which aired free to

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01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,560
Speaker 2: live to free whatever on Rumble.

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01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 1: Pay per views airing for free right.

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01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah. Dana says, Rumble is on board for

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01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:14,719
Speaker 2: seasons two and three now of Slap, and for season

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01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 2: two they're gonna take it to Fight Island, yas Island

2337
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 2: there in Dubai and it's gonna be the season one

2338
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 2: all stars against the best in the world from the

2339
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 2: power countries, right Poland and all in Russia and all

2340
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 2: the other ones where this sport originated in sport?

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01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 1: Is that it is?

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01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are fights and this is a sport. My

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01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 2: question to you, Luke, is is the Rumble deal for

2344
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 2: seasons two and three a clear indication that this is

2345
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 2: going nowhere?

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01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 1: Or yeah? I mean here's the thing. You know who's

2347
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 1: not up for season two and three TBS, the people

2348
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: who aired season one, So that tells you a lot

2349
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 1: Number one, number two. It's like, dude, they're just taking

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01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 1: every idea they've are. There's not one new idea in

2351
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,680
Speaker 1: this whole thing. Have you noticed that, Like everything is

2352
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 1: let's just take the existing blueprint and I mean just

2353
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: work with that, nothing else whatsoever, nothing original, whatsoever. And yeah, dude,

2354
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: if that's your death, if that is interesting to you,

2355
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 1: then yeah, we're not the show for you. So there

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01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 1: you go.

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01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 2: There it is, Luke. I hope, hopefully both of us

2358
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 2: can make it in the four minute media hit job

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01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 2: video about how we were double standards because we support

2360
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 2: MMA but we don't.

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01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,760
Speaker 1: Support the slap. Yeah, looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, on Wednesday, Reggie's trying to get out, Luke,

2363
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 2: maybe we should get out too, all right, maybe?

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01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 1: All right, so sorry about the fact that we don't

2365
01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 1: have have you seen this ship today? We will do

2366
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: it wednesday. BC. Oh wait wait are you still there?

2367
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I had to let Reggie out all right?

2368
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, one quick second. So I have jury duty tomorrow.

2369
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 1: I have no no tomorrow Tuesday, so I have jury.

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01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 2: You can hear you got audio problems, so this is great.

2371
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm getting new equipment in the mill tomorrow and hopefully

2372
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:59,919
Speaker 2: that'll fix it. Can you speak speak nonsense?

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01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: I can try to.

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01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 3: Good.

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01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, ahead, all right, just fucking take him off screen, Mikey,

2376
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 1: because what the fuck are we doing? Uh? I actually

2377
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 1: have jury duty tomorrow, so I don't know if that's

2378
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 1: going to last into Wednesday. I don't think it will,

2379
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:17,719
Speaker 1: but it might, so we'll have to see how that goes.

2380
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 1: Either way, you will get have you seen the ship

2381
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 1: on Wednesday? So reminder you can reach the show Morning

2382
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 1: Combat at gmail dot com if you want to reach

2383
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 1: for Wednesday's fan subs. Friday is dead wrong, We of

2384
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 1: course are. Don't forget. Showtime is the label that pays

2385
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 1: Showtime dot com. Get a thirty day free trial. If

2386
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:34,640
Speaker 1: you like it, you can keep it. If not, you

2387
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: can bounce. I'm just I'm just letting everyone know about

2388
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 1: the jury duty that I have tomorrow and that like

2389
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 1: that may interfere with things on Wednesday. I don't know.

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01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to talk about the trial if

2392
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 2: you get picked, like with regular updates on the show,

2393
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 2: but without naming names or specific no accusation.

2394
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 1: If you're serving on a jury, you're not supposed to

2395
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,720
Speaker 1: talk about it with like the details of it, with

2396
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: people outside of your fellow jurors or the judge or something.

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01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: You're forbidden from doing that now. Once the trial is over, yes,

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01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: I can tell you whatever, but the thing is in voirdre.

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01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 1: I may not get picked because I'll just be like yo,

2400
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:17,240
Speaker 1: I got full blown Ebola slash aids just I can't

2401
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:19,280
Speaker 1: be here, so just send me home and we'll see

2402
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:20,080
Speaker 1: what they do. I don't know.

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01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna snow twelve to sixteen inches here tomorrow, Lukes,

2404
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm finally going to finish the Rocky Creed rundown, nice

2405
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 2: Rocky Balboa over the weekend. And you know the kids

2406
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 2: are They liked it. We're back, Luke, they you know

2407
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 2: we liked it. You know. The response again, so much

2408
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:35,639
Speaker 2: better than Rocky One.

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01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's call it a day here for

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01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 1: this show. Appreciate everyone who tuned in. We'll see you

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01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 1: guys on Wednesday. For Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas, thanks

2412
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 1: to Showtime, thanks to Malka, Thanks to CBS, especially Mikey Morms,

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01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 1: who did a great job today. We'll see you guys

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01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and until then, may all of your gains

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01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:51,799
Speaker 1: be loyal.