WEBVTT - #385 - Chris Shiflett On the Difference Between Touring Solo vs. with the Foo Fighters + FINALLY Sets An Internet Rumor Straight + Taking the Role as Frontman…and Did He Feel Unsafe Playing Punk Shows? 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.800 None of that ever happened. What it was was a 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.960 friend of mine mentioned one day said hey, dude, I 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.000 think I could get you an audition, And in that 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.200 conversation I said to him, hey, I heard Food Fighters 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:17.680 are looking for a guitar player. And he actually did 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:21.960 wind up getting my name thrown in the hat. Episode 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.560 three eight five. Chrish Shifflet solo artists but also lead 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.800 guitars for Food Fighters, punk rock veteran. I mean, the 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:30.920 guy has done at all. I think we could have 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.240 done two different episodes, one of him just talking about 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.120 the music that he likes and creates, and one of 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:41.320 him just talking about Food Fighters. I mean, it's funny 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.159 to hear him talk about the difference in touring, like 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.640 when he's by himself versus when he's with Food Fighters. Yeah, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.600 what are crazy difference? And how one of them is 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.440 wildly rich and one of them is a solid artists, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:54.200 you know, still trying to make it, figure it out. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.000 I really like Chris Shifflet. Um. I liked him more 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:58.760 than I thought I would. Not that I didn't think 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:00.560 I would like him, but usually when guys coming from 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.480 l A or New York, they just feel a bit different. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.559 Even if not purposefully. I thought he was awesome, didn't 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.000 he was really nice, just like chill walked in because 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.560 you don't know he's he plays hundred, hundreds of thousands 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.200 of people with food Fighters, like he's one of the 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.080 faces of food Fighters. So I thought I was super 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.160 cool that he came over because he was playing a 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.560 show in town at the Rhyme and with it, BlackBerry 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.800 smoke got him. So he's got a song called Blacktop 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.240 White Lines just came out here to the go ahead 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:34.800 you had that and he recorded it in Nashville. He 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.200 wrote it with Jared Johnson of Catalect three and John 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:40.319 Osborne and brothers Osborne, and so we talked about a 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:44.320 lot of stuff including food Fighters, growing up in California, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.440 his family, and you know, just life as a dad 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.280 and also as a rock star. So you can follow 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.920 him on Instagram at shifty seventy one. Michael was your 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.240 biggest takeaway from this interview? I love every time we 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.040 talked about the punk rock stuff, like that's what I 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.680 knew him for, like before food Fighters. So you did 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.120 not I didn't know if you knew him before or 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.880 you learned that he was in those groups in the past. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.320 You know the band he was in no use for 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.800 a name. I've seen them live before before, like after 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:12.760 he left the band, but one of my favorite bands 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.200 growing up. Really yeah, dang, you really were into it then? Yeah, 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:17.840 it was awesome, Like food Fighters are one of my 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:19.600 favorite bands of all time, so it was super cool. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:24.519 Here he is Chris Shifflin. I'm just genuinely interested in, 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:29.600 for example, you and your career, Like I have just 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.000 been a fan of different things that you have done. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.600 So people come to my house when I'm really interested 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.120 and we'll do an hour and then this gets put 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.560 on in a lot of places. This lives as a 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.200 podcast that does you know, seven figure streams. Then I 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.400 put it on other shows. So the answer is, it's 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.960 a lot. And sometimes I I got I was at 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.200 the doctor a little bit ago because I got a 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.520 signis infection, which you know when you get something here 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.560 or here and you have to even saying because you 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.359 know you're doing your stuff now. It's like a ball 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.160 player having a hurt ankle. Yeah. I don't think people 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.119 realize how much like one year, because you know, I've 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.839 historically been the guitar player in a band for most 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.560 of my you know, adult play in life, and when 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.680 I'm out doing my own shows, even this week. I mean, 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.400 I'm doing one show this week. I'm just coming out 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.080 here to play at the rhyman Um and that's the 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.720 only gig. But like, both my kids were sick this 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.400 week and all week long leading into this, I was like, 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.760 don't I know. I mean, that's the life that I live, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.079 is where I'm always worried I'm gonna get sick. Yeah, 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.960 and I think it's where the germophobe part of me started. 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.120 I you know, my I've come from a very humble 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.400 upbringing and so I have to show up to work. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.000 I always had to show up to work. So I 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:42.000 was like, if I get sick, I can't work, and 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:43.680 if I can't work, and I still deal with a 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.080 lot of that now. But to answer the question, um, 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.320 I'll like you and that's why you're here. Otherwise, you know, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.880 we didne at the studio for ten minutes and a thing. 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.840 But yeah, it's I probably do this. I do a 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:00.240 sports show just audio wise, thirty hours of ont in 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.240 a week, which gets to be a lot to why 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.760 I don't lie that much because I can't remember right, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.040 or I would I would just do some I thought 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.120 my forty five minute podcast than I do like once 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.120 every you know, two weeks was felt like a lot. Well, 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.599 it is, it is. You know. I'm like a marathon 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.240 runner though, so you would train all the time. That's 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.240 what you do. You go when you do it. You know. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:23.560 For me, I was thinking about you when I was 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.240 coming over here. Um. And my point was, I left 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.320 the doctor a second ago, and um, I have nothing 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.240 wrong with me, except like a week and a half ago, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.719 I had a sinus infection that had developed from a 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.800 cold and I just couldn't get rid of this, like 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.320 this last lingering cough thing it just stay stays for 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.400 like a two months, right, And so I go and 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.680 he says he had nothing wrong with you. It's just 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:48.039 one of those where you're bronchial stuff is all ye inflamed. 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:49.640 And so they put me on this little machine and 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:54.080 you're like, it's like you're smoking a clear pipe of 0:04:54.320 --> 0:05:00.080 health and like foam steams coming out of it. And 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.280 he says, you're gonna be a little like light headed 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.440 and jittery when you leave this, and I'm like, I'm 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:09.520 all right, I left it just legitterious crap. So I'm 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:15.520 pretty sure that was my point here. Hey, so let's 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.039 go first. It's super cool to have you here. Just sink. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.839 I'll geek out on that part for a minute. Just 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.040 super cool to have you here. UM been a big 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.000 food fighter guy, well always like my whole life, and 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.120 so I've known and when you become a big fan, 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.800 you start to not be a fan of just the 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.320 songs or just the lead singer, but how the different 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:40.239 entities came in and developed. And so I'm very familiar 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.680 with your story and super cool you're doing your thing now, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.200 and I would definitely wanta talk about the fulfillment there 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.400 and just the life that you've lived. And as I 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.000 was kind of getting ready for this and thinking about 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.360 you were coming, I spent the last week in California. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.119 I went over and hosted some um red carpet stuff 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.240 for the Emmys and just some whatever, and I lost 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.480 track of what day it was, meaning was that Tuesday 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.600 or Wednesday or Thursday? And I live in a space 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:06.800 where I've got to know what day it is all 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.760 the time because I'm on the air Monday through Friday, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.599 and I'm touring and traveling. I don't know, but I 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.720 wonder the lifestyle that you have lived, traveling so much, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.960 did days even matter for the most part, you know? 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.400 I mean I think that there was a time, maybe 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.880 when I was younger, when I just didn't pay attention 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.800 that much to what day of the week was. And 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.480 did a Wednesday matter versus a Friday? Well, it matters 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.880 when you're you know when it when you're in a 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.719 band and and um, and you gotta play on a 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.200 Tuesday night somewhere, you know, those are always like the 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.239 weaker gigs, you know. And I'm thinking more like before 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:42.480 I was in the food fight, like when I was 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.520 I was in a bank called Nicks for name, and um, yeah, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.360 so you pay attention to that sense. But I think, like, uh, 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.600 having kids, and I'm and my kids are pretty grown now, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.159 so it's been a long time. But that that made 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.160 me turn back into like a Monday, you know, paying 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:01.120 attention to to Monday through Friday little bit more. In 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.000 that sense. It was tough for me because I live 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.800 on such a regimented I have to, like, I mean, 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.279 I'm pretty regimented to I mean, to be honest, like 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.160 in order to do like because like I got a 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.600 lot of a lot of balls down there at all 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:17.280 all the time. So my life is pretty compartmentalized, and 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.440 it kind of has to be. You know, I gotta like, 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.720 I gotta be. I gotta be dad first thing in 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.320 the morning, I gotta get my kids off to school, 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.040 and then I gotta get Then I have like a 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.040 few hours where I can sort of do the stuff 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.320 that I need to do for me. A big calendar guy. Yeah, 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.360 oh yeah, like everything in Oh yeah, I know, a 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.640 dent or I just you know, asked shame my manager. 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.200 I forget entirely and then he's called me, like, dude, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.360 you get on that interview or what. Um yeah, no, 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.400 like you know, especially if if we're in the middle 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.679 of like food fighters stuff, you know, then that's gonna 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.400 take up. That's that's a big that's like your whole life, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.080 you know. So you're trying to fit these things sort 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.840 of in the margins here and there side. Now, I 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.480 I gotta be. It always drives me nuts when I'm 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.480 dealing with people who are like living living loose. You 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.240 know that that aren't fairing attention that I'm talking to 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.560 you musicians, yeah, really mean creatives, Yeah, you know what 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.560 I mean, where you're like, dude, I got like forty 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.360 five minutes right now, like, we gotta go. It's been 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.200 hard because I do a lot of different things, and 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:16.640 none of them great. I do a lot of things 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:21.240 pretty well. But Ryan Seacrest, who I became friends with 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.040 that worked on American Idol for four seasons, working with 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.440 the contestants on picking songs, how to sing, that kind 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.400 of stuff. I was on camera for four years there 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.040 working with them, and he said to me once, he said, hey, look, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.040 people have to learn to respect your calendar. I was like, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:34.640 what does that mean. He goes, if you say you 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.200 gotta go at four, you leave it for and they'll 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:41.920 never again question it. And so I then because I 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:43.679 was gonna ask you how you're juggling this, because I 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.360 do want to get and have a lot of things 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.160 that to talk about about your new project. But I 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.480 was like, damn, that's pretty good. Like it's president, we 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.320 have a meeting. I gotta go at three. I'm gonna 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.200 show up on time, and then I gotta go at three. Okay, sorry, 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.800 I gotta go, and they'll never question you again. Now, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.000 when you got a lot of money, like Ryan, I 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:00.600 think it's a little easier to walk out of that, 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.040 but I thought it was great advice and with what 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.160 you're doing now, and can I Mike, we have a 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:16.760 clip of black top white lines please. So you wrote 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.839 this song with two of my friends, which is pretty 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:25.080 freaking cool, right on? Yeah, John too. I mean those 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.000 are like my dudes. I love them, and when I 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.360 hear you, they are great dudes, like just as humans, 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.000 the best great musicians. And I gotta say Jaren was 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.320 like really knocked out, knocked it out of the park 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.559 producing this record. Well that's what I was going to 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.760 ask about the production of it because when I hear this, 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.160 because I'm big Catalect three, Like, I grew up in 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:50.280 the South, so I grew up being kind of forced 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.360 and then eventually loved like real Southern rock but also 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.760 soul um southern rock, the tone, guitar tone a bit, 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.480 and when I hear this, I can deaf only here 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.280 some of that jarring production influence. Well, that riff, the 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.640 riff in the main riff of this on that boodle 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.199 that is Jared all day on. He came into because 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.280 we were gonna get together, right and we're doing it 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.559 over zoom because it's like during the lockdown or whatever, 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.000 and and before we jumped on there, he was like, 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.360 hey man, you know it's a cool with John Osborne 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.800 joints like yeah, of course, um John find nervously waiting 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:28.240 like okay, man, just let me know if he lets 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:32.840 me into this, it's cool. Does not probably, But I 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.679 was stuked. Yeah. I was like, you know, made it 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.320 made it that much better and um, but Jarren brought 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:38.559 that riff into it, you know what I mean, And 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.200 then we kind of wrote the song around that. Mike, 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:51.760 we hit that again. So when you're putting out and 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.040 you're the face, now that's you, just I mean it is, 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.080 that's you. Now, it's just your name, it's yours. No band, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.480 by the way, I mean, do you have a band? 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.280 But it's you? Yeah, you know. And I'll tell you 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.560 the reason why I didn't do that for a very 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.959 long time. Um, when like when I was a little younger, 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.320 intentionally even stuff that was basically like a solo project, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.160 Like I had a band called Jackson United that was, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.320 you know, legitimately a band here and there, but with 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.760 a bunch of different lineups. And then I was when 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.880 I first started doing some kind of more like Americana 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.160 flavored stuff. Um, I had a band called Chris Shifflett 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.679 and the Dead Peasants, and I just found like every 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.720 time I would go to make a record, every time 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.560 I would go to do some shows, it would always 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.800 be different people because you can't really keep a full 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.400 time band together. When you're in a full time band, 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.719 you know what I mean, it just doesn't work. Uma 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.320 salary just to hang and yeah that's that that that 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.880 ain't an option. Um. But yeah, so I finally just 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.720 kind of like, you know, like grudgingly just make it 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.760 my own name, you know what I mean. Like, but 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.440 but it's interesting because with each record and then with 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.320 each like tour, like you know, groups of shows video, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.360 you do have these moments of like you know, like 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:07.000 the group of musicians that played on my new record, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.400 it's consistent for the most part, all the way through, 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.400 you know, all ten songs. There's a little bit of 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.199 change here and there, um, and all those cats make 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.640 a massive impact. So it's like you just it's like 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.760 it's like having this little mini band relationship for a 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.720 couple of sessions, you know. Yeah. And I guess my 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.240 point was saying, it's just you as okay, Dead Peasants, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.240 It's still you I mean a lot of artists. Tom 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:30.880 Petty had the Heartbreakers. We could go through all the 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.920 people who had great bands with them as well. But 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.560 this sound that you're making is just you. This is 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.640 just your sound. Now. Jack White can do and we 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.840 can go through all the different versions that he does, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:47.640 but and they all have slightly have a different sound. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.000 It could be Jack, but this is just you. And 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.360 so you have to decide who your presentation of you 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.280 by yourself, what that set, what the phone is that? 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.240 Do you think about that? Are you just like man, 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.560 let's just make some music and see what happens. I mean, 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.000 I think about it a little bit like one of 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.960 the first conversations we had when I asked Jared if 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.040 you would produce um produce this record was was we 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.000 had the conversation about like kind of pushing me into 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.400 an unknown territory or you know, sort of sonic territory. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.880 That was that was maybe a little uncomfortable or something 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.960 I hadn't done before. And like this first song was 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:24.040 definitely definite. We definitely went there. What sonically because it 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.120 sounds so natural because I know those guys that I 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.400 know you, but what sonically to you, I don't want 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.480 to use the word hesitant. But what sonically to you 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.800 made you kind of weighed in a little slower because 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.880 you weren't that a custom? Is that the is it 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.400 the tone? Is it that the Yeah, it's just maybe 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:40.480 an overall gloss on the whole thing or so, I 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:41.959 don't know, you know what I mean. It's it's probably 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.840 more in my head than anybody else likes. It's funny 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:49.120 because as a musician you tend to just overthink everything. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.840 I know I do. I always do um and overthink 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.480 how it's going to be receiving all that sort of stuff. 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.520 So um, and the song is not out yet, so 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.400 I guess we'll find out pretty soon by the time 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.480 said when says it'll be okay, cool cool um yeah. 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.920 So uh, but you know, the response so far in 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.200 the little snippets that I put up, like, there hasn't 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.400 been one comment on my Instagram that's like this sounds 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.400 like a radical departure for you, you you know what I mean. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.640 So I think that's stuff that like we think about 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.480 more than anybody else. I think most people just listen 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.120 to music. They just take it as it comes, you know, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:23.600 Do I like this or do I not? Does this 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.920 make me want to dances and making me happy does 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.400 make me say, I don't think most people sit there 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.880 and think about production elements and all that kind of 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.400 you know, that that that maybe the musicians think about 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.320 in the difference between this type of you know what 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.400 roots the Americana sound is versus a slicker, more kind 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.240 of like you know, radio friendly, you know, all that 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.600 kind of stuff. I just don't think people the average 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.360 listener just doesn't care. And they don't. And when you 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.480 said gloss, I don't you know this is me and 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.640 you I've heard that song a bunch. I don't really 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.400 hear gloss as as that's not either a compliment or 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.040 it's not it's nothing except I don't hear gloss. I 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:04.840 just hear like a like a pivot, a slight pivot 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:12.360 that feels like the narratives a little more honest, interesting, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.240 And again that's just there's no real definition of art. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.920 But it feels like like your your narrative feels a 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.120 little grittier. And I don't hear gloss at all. Well, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.920 that's that's good to hear. Maybe gloss was the wrong word, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:30.920 but like I mean, but you know, like, um, I 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.720 do think that this record, when you kind of add 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.160 it all up, it's got like and I feel like 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.160 like an edge closer. This maybe with every solo record 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.440 I do, which is more and more kind of all 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.560 of my musical influences represented the big ones at least, 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.640 you know, the Stones and whatever Bad Religion or Jawbreaker 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.360 or something mixed with you know, Merl Haggard and Bucko, 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.320 and you like, it's kind of all in the in there. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.640 Give her the Eagles is easy, top whatever it is, 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:00.200 you know, it's just kind of it's all in there. 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.040 You ever have be so influenced? And I'm not And 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.520 this is not the same thing as because I'm a 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.280 comedy and I definitely don't still jokes on purpose, But 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:09.640 there are times when I write things that are similar 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:13.120 to other people because we have like minded sensibilities and age. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.840 So this is not that type of question, but it's 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.200 do you ever feel like you're so influenced by an 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.480 era of the Eagles and you've written this song and 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.000 you're like, man, I just hear like seventies Eagles so 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.120 much that I can't stop hearing the Eagles from the seventies, 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.280 not specifically a song, but like you were so encapsulated 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.520 by whatever that motivation was when you wrote that song 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.200 that you're like, man, this might be a little too 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.960 much Molly Crewe. Yeah, I mean, I guess, but like 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.040 I kind of seem feel like it's usually the opposite. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.360 It's the thing that you think, you're like, Wow, it's 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.240 a little close to the bone, you know, like maybe 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.080 maybe that's you know, a little too much borrowing, a 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.920 little too much influenced. Is like then other people hear 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.200 it totally differently, you know, because I think that's a 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:54.800 big I think that is a big part of music. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.280 I think we're all borrowing from the people that we 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.880 grew up listening to or whatever, or even just the 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.880 current stuff, and but then you put it through your 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.679 filter and it becomes this this different thing. You like 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.919 being the front guy, You like singing. I do like singing. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.280 Let me ask it again. You love singing? You know, 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.600 I can't. I came a singing late, you know, versus 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.880 playing guitar. I mean I would, I it's it's it's 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:26.720 it's an interesting question because it's something that slowly I've 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.320 gotten more and more comfortable doing, and even in writing, 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.120 used to sort of view writing the lyrics and stuff 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.720 is almost kind of an afterthought and and whereas that's 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.400 more like front and center to me now as when 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.400 I'm when I'm writing. But um, yeah, I mean I 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.440 I would love to someday be able to sing with 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.639 as much ease and sort of like, um, I don't know, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.840 just the kind of like not even thinking about a 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.240 thing that I feel like I do with guitar playing. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:54.920 I don't think I'm there as a singer, you know 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:56.920 what I mean. I still gotta like work at it, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:58.880 but I like it and I enjoy it, and it's fun, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.680 you know that. And it's fun to like to even 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.000 just playing live, like to see what kind of works 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:08.640 and doesn't work, and putting a show together and and 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.680 and putting us interacting with the crowd. You know, it's 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.040 that weird thing that like he it's hard to even 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.200 put your finger on, you know, sometimes you just feel 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.600 like you're so connected to the crowd, and sometimes you 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.560 feel like there's this wall between you and you know 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.560 what I mean, And and it's trying to like, you know, 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.159 sometimes after shows like oh did that feels so good tonight? 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.119 You know wh I was why I was that spark 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.800 there with everybody in and at the bar or whatever, 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.560 you know what I mean. And have you found a 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.679 difference and exactly that the cinement you're making there? Have 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:43.320 you found a difference in being the front guy and 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.080 technically how your stage is set up? Meaning if I 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.520 do comedy music, I can't wear ears because I have 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.879 to hear laughs. Right, if I'm doing just music music 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:54.960 and we're part I have to wear ears so I 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.720 can hear. And so there are for different reasons monitors versus. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.640 Have you found that being that guy up front now 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.240 technically you maybe you've had to rethink how the stage 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.080 is set up or how it's technically coming to you. Well, 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.159 I am a recent in ears convert, so you were 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.320 you haven't wear ears forever? No, I was earplugs for 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.840 a long time, but I'm just sort of recently started, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.359 especially with ear plugs with sound. You're saying, well, like 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.520 like those moldy places, no with no sound, which is 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:24.720 which is the worst thing for a guitar play. It 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.600