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Speaker 1: me out on because I was never really comfortable with

427
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,239
Speaker 1: with with loud monitors on stage. And how do you

428
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: hear the the base are you? Are you just running

429
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,240
Speaker 1: like a metronome and you're I mean, what are you

430
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: doing if you're playing with ear plugs? I'm not getting

431
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm dumb right now, Chris. You know what you're doing.

432
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: You're overcompensating and just turning your amp up. That's what

433
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 1: you're doing. So it probably amounts to the same thing. Okay,

434
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: so you can still hear, well, you get there's the

435
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: fancy mold of ones that have like little different caps

436
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: where you can bring it down ten dB. But but

437
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: in the plugs that you're wearing, well, the ones that

438
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: used to wear Yeah, yeah, I never even heard of that. Yeah,

439
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: you started playing guitar. What age do you feel like?

440
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 1: You're someone who music came to I don't think there's

441
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: a such thing as easy, but more naturally? Did you

442
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 1: understand it quicker? Um? I wouldn't say that. I think, um,

443
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: I was lucky that I grew up in a family

444
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: of musicians. You know, both my older brothers played and

445
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: played really well, and we're like really good. By the

446
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: time I ever picked up a guitar, which was probably

447
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: a little daunting, and I was a terrible student. It

448
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: wasn't really like a guitar student. I would just never

449
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 1: really practice what I was supposed to practice and all

450
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 1: that sort of thing um and like, you know, this

451
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 1: was like the early nineteen eighties, so and I was

452
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: listening to people like in Babe Almstein and stuff. So

453
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 1: I would I remember, like everyone would talk about, oh,

454
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 1: you have to take classical guitar lessons because that's what

455
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: Vay did or that's what Julie john Roth did, all

456
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: these guys that we all looked up to. And so

457
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 1: I was a little kid and I would go take

458
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: classical guitar and I could not figure out how that

459
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: connected to like the Ozzy Osbourne records. I was like,

460
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: it just didn't make any sense, and so I just

461
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't play it, you know. And it wasn't until it

462
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: wasn't until I started playing in bands in high school.

463
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 1: That's when I started. When it started to when I

464
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: started get like, you know, more fluid, But what's classical

465
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: guitar I know classical piano, but what do you learn

466
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: at a classical guitar lesson? I didn't learn anything. Okay,

467
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to learn? Do you learn? Like,

468
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: are you supposed to learn how to read music? I

469
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: could never really do. And like you know, it's a

470
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: lot of finger style, you know, like you know beautiful.

471
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: It's almost like almost like a level of discipline that

472
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: I just I wasn't recognizing in the heavy metal music

473
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: that I was listening to. I couldn't figure out how

474
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: that became that, and I just wanted it to be that.

475
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: You know, as you have two brothers that are both

476
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: playing guitar, how come you gting get stuck with the bass?

477
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: Usually they Yeah, my brother Scott, my first my brother

478
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: Mike started playing guitar. Then my brother Scott started playing bass,

479
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: so he was like a he got it, ok he did,

480
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: But he also just you know, took my brother Mike's

481
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: guitar and figured out how to play that thing better

482
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: than than all the rest of us, you know, so

483
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: he kind of did it. All you get drums, you're handsOn.

484
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: If they just give you drums, all, yeah, Well I'll

485
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: tell you because my older brothers were guitar and based respectively.

486
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: My first choice was piano. I was gonna be a keyboardist,

487
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: and then my mom even bought me a piano, and

488
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,719
Speaker 1: then I never I didn't take those lessons either, So

489
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: it just eventually I just had to pick up the guitar.

490
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: It just had to be that, you know, that was

491
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: that was the air. It seemed like the guitar player

492
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: in in all those bands was always the person that

493
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: I was drawn to. Born and raised in California, like

494
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: beach California, Yeah, Santa Barbara, like surf California. I mean

495
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: I actually came to surfing kind of late. You know,

496
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: we're a relative to a lot of other people. But um,

497
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: but I mean I grew up at the beach anyway,

498
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: so skateboarding and what a book you I'm a little

499
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: embarrassed to admit that when I was a kid, I

500
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: was a boogie boarder. It's a sponger, is that the

501
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: thing on your knees, not not not on your knees,

502
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: but like, you know, the more a boogie you know.

503
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: I just I grew up in Arkansas, so I don't

504
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: have any I don't even like the beach because I

505
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: don't get it. It's only because I was never around it,

506
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: like my friends who grew up either going on vacation

507
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: to beaches or they love it, and I'm like, I don't,

508
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: what do I do? I just sit there. Yeah, that's

509
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: eventually you pick up a surfboard and then it opens

510
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: up that whole tarn a c L. Yeah, i'n't even

511
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: skiing because I'm afraid to go tearing a c L

512
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I'm tearing everything that's it could happen.

513
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: That is, it's dangerous you are. And then there's the sharks. Yeah,

514
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't scare me. I've done shows on that geo

515
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: and those animals. I'm all good, We're good. I'm doctor

516
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: doo a little, I'm freaking doctor doodle at out there.

517
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: Then hit me, I can't tarn a c L with

518
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: a shark. Well, tear my head off and I won't

519
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: even know it. You have two brothers. Do you have

520
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: any other siblings? Um? I have a step brother who

521
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: was who was around a lot to music at all. Um.

522
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: He played a little bit, but not real but he

523
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: was more of a musical influence just because of what

524
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: he was listening to and and you know, just bringing

525
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: that to it, mom and dad were they together? They

526
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: were not? And did you know I didn't know my

527
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: dad at all? My left So did you know your

528
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: mom and dad? Yes, so my mom and dad were together. Uh,

529
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: we lived. I was born in Santa Barbara. My dad

530
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: got a job out in Maryland, so we all moved

531
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: out to Maryland. So when I was real estate, do

532
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: you move all the way across yeah? Yeah, And then

533
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: my parents separated. My mom moved back to Santa Barbara.

534
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: So then there was a few years where we were

535
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: bouncing back and forth, like we'd be in Maryland for

536
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: a little bit, then we come out to Santa Barbara,

537
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: back and forth until like until my mom finally got

538
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: custodied of us full time. And then my dad stayed

539
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: out there. And you know, sadly now because my dad

540
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: passed away when I was you know, around twenty eight

541
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: or something, and I never lived in the same town

542
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: as him again from the time when I was after

543
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: after they split, Yeah, and he moved back to California eventually,

544
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: but he was a couple of hours up the coast.

545
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: So have you ever did the drive across. No, But

546
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: there was a funny story where my um We didn't

547
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: know this because you know, we're just little kids. But

548
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: when when we figured out after the fact, when when

549
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: my dad like officially lost custody the office, he's fine,

550
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: like all right, everybody get in the car, going for

551
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: a drive, and we drove, like to like St. Louis

552
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: or something, so yeah about halfway or like what are

553
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: we doing? Your mom? Was she musical and in her

554
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: love that you listened to a lot of music. My

555
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: mom had what I thought at the time was the

556
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: worst musical taste in the world. Some of it, in hindsight,

557
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: not so bad. But she would do this thing like

558
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: she bought this Anne Murray record and there was like

559
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: one whatever the hit was at that moment, and she

560
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: would just play it over and over and over. But

561
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: if it wasn't and Murray would be like, you know,

562
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: stuff that like now I can appreciate, like James Taylor

563
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: and Fleetwood Mac and stuff like that. But now we

564
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: got more of the music stuff from my dad. My

565
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: dad had kind of hip taste, hip as in rock metal,

566
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: not at all like hip like this is the Beatles,

567
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: this is Bob Dylan got I know, even like you know,

568
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: when I was when I was in the seventies. I

569
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: remember him listening. He would listen to like almost nothing

570
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: but Stevie Wonder and Bob Marley and stuff that we

571
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: weren't you know, like I didn't. I'm not gonna pretend

572
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: that I liked those records necessarily, but but it was

573
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: on in the house, and you know, it just kind

574
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: of seeped in and stuff that you sort of you

575
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: grow up a little bit and you go, wow, that

576
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: was better than you know, the Wasp records we were

577
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: listening to or whatever. It's your oldest brother's interest and

578
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: how good he got a guitar? Is he the reason

579
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: that your other brother and yourself were in music or

580
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: were in music? Yeah, pretty much. I mean it all

581
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: started with him. He was the first one that got

582
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: a turntable and got some vinyl and you know, and

583
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: we all got hooked. So what's what's what's his deal?

584
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: Was he a good artist? Does he still play? Is

585
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: he does he alive still? He's a yeah, he's oh yeah,

586
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: he's going. He's a guitar teacher at the shop Jensen

587
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: Music in Santa Barbara that we all grew up taking

588
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: lessons from man. That's how you know he's good I know,

589
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: and when he got I mean, he's done that for

590
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: a long time now, but man, being a guitar teacher

591
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: made him like a million times better and he was

592
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: already real good. It's like studio like session players here

593
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: in town because there are get our players, are instrumentalists whatever,

594
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: and they go on the road, they play all the

595
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: big shows and it's like, oh cool, you play guitar

596
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: for him, and then you meet somebody's like, yeah, I'm

597
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: a studio session player for oh you're good. Like there's

598
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: a there's a real difference in and no offense to

599
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: you because you're obviously awesome. But I'm saying these technical

600
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: guys who can look at a chart here in Nashville

601
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: and go, all right, I'm gonna do three sessions today,

602
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: We're gonna walk into this one. Got it all right?

603
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: But it's crazy. Oh yeah, no, I know because some

604
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 1: of those cats have played all my records and yeah,

605
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: it's it's humbling to say the least. What about writing,

606
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: because obviously you've written songs in all capacities, but now

607
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: for this project, did you write different? I don't and

608
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: that's really not a good question. But sonically it's a

609
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: bit different. You say you're challenged the writing side of

610
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: the same feeling. Well, a lot of these songs were

611
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: written during the lockdown, so it was it was just

612
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: a strange moment in you know, in life. Um so

613
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: something probably about it's probably about in songs that were

614
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: co writes with other people. And even that was a

615
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: little bit different and kind of weird because you're doing

616
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: it over zoom. Um, you're not just like sitting in

617
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: a room with your friends. But um, but then, but

618
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: just the writing process for me probably not much different. Um,

619
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: but the process of making the record was very different.

620
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: It was over time. So by the once we got

621
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: to the end, because we recorded in three different sessions,

622
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: once we got to that last session, it was sort

623
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: of clear, uh, like the kind of the elements that

624
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: that needed to be there that weren't there yet, and

625
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: that's what we were kind of aiming for. So we're

626
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: sort of going through I'm sending Jared little home demos

627
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: and stuff and trying to figure out, you know, what

628
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: songs we should we should jump in there and record.

629
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: Why here though, I mean obviously Jared John but why here?

630
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: Why Nashville? Why are you basing this whole thing here.

631
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: Um well, I made my last couple of records before

632
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: this out here as well. Um And you know, for

633
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: if you're making like kind of roots Americana country tinged music,

634
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: can't really can't really go wrong making it in Nashville.

635
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: You know your isn't your podcast based like Americana country?

636
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe kind of less so now, but like, yeah,

637
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: that was that was the That's been the main focus

638
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: of it. If you who were your musical I don't

639
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: want to say heroes because when people ask me that question,

640
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I tend to answer a lot cooler than I really feel.

641
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say who do you? Who? Do you

642
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: listen to a lot even now? And it can be

643
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: old music because a lot of stuff I listened to

644
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: his stuff I loved years ago, especially when I'm trying

645
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: to relax, not a big new music guy, whenever I'm

646
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: just trying to chill, who over the past twenty five years,

647
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: will you still put on and just go like, man,

648
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: this is some good music. I'm just gonna drive somewhere. Yeah.

649
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: Um year, Well, like that first sun Volt record is

650
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: a huge one for me, you know, and when that

651
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: came out, that was really like that record was one

652
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: of my big introductions into like, you know, back then,

653
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: I think it was just called All the Country, but

654
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: what you know, we all know is Americana or however

655
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: you want to look at it. Um. That one never

656
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,239
Speaker 1: gets old to me. Um especially, I mean, I just

657
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: have like these vivid memories because it was really the

658
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: singer in my old band, Tony Sly was the singer

659
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: of this band No Use for a Name, that I

660
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: was in, and he was into all that stuff, you know,

661
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: and he would always bring an acoustic guitar on tour,

662
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: and so we'd be driving down the road in our

663
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: van and he'd be sitting there, you know, strumming sun

664
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: Volt songs and Whiskey Town songs and you know, the

665
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: will Coast I was gonna Tupelo and all that, you know,

666
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Um, he's the one that turned me

667
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: on all that. And then through that I found you

668
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: know whatever, Steve Earle and listen to Williams and even Merle,

669
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Haggard and Buck and all the you know, I just

670
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of worked my way back. I was just about

671
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: to go to Wilco when you said it yet a

672
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: cute Well, those first couple, you know, the first couple

673
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: of song Vote actually the first couple of Wilco records.

674
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I could never get for those records. What

675
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: about is a kid? What did you love at sixteen

676
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: years old? Sixteen? Well, okay, so I when you know,

677
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: when I first started going to shows, I mean I

678
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: was listening pretty much just like heavy metal was with

679
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: the music of the day. And and then there was

680
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: this this change that happened. We're around like eighty four,

681
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: the glam rock things started cooking up in in l A.

682
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: And there was a band from Europe called handle Rocks,

683
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, and so I discovered I got turned on

684
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: a Hando Rocks right right at the end of them

685
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: being a band, because they basically they had made a

686
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: bunch of records. But then they put out their major

687
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: label record, The Drummer Dies, and the whole thing falls apart.

688
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: But as that was all kind of happening, we got

689
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: my brother brought home that last record, and then you know,

690
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: like with everything else, you sort of work your way

691
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: back and get the other ones. But that record had

692
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: a massive impact on the l A rock world, and

693
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: all these bands started coming up, bubbling up, like you know,

694
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: Guns and Roses and Poison and Jet boy Who from

695
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: up North and Faster pussy Cat and Ally Guns and

696
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: that whole thing. And this is like pretty early in that,

697
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: like probably like eighty five, Fish started to go see

698
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: those bands, and it really was like so I was, yeah,

699
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: I was around like fourteen fifteen sixty in those years

700
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: as that whole thing was kicking off. Um, I would

701
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: go down. We were just going down and it just

702
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: see my memories. We're just going down to l A

703
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: all the time to go see those bands like the

704
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: Troubadour and oh yeah, no, I said, Man, I started

705
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: going to shows on about twelve or so. And then,

706
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: and I look back on as a parent, helm why

707
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: did my mama allow this to happen? How did you

708
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: get where? Would go? And even before that, I was

709
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: going down to see like you know, Keel and Armored

710
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: saying all all that kind of stuff because they were

711
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: all ages show. All the shows were all ages shows. Um.

712
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: And then maybe somewhere in the middle of all that

713
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: in really kind of like in high school, like where

714
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: I grew up was just far enough away that there

715
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: was no like rock and roll scene really and so

716
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: if you were going to see live music, it was

717
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: punk rock or was thrash metal or was something like that,

718
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: you know, or something like weirdo college band at the

719
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: at UCSB, And so it was just cool. That time

720
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: was just cool because it was all this mix of

721
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: music happening and you know, you're sort of getting turned

722
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: on to all this different stuff. And like me and

723
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: my I had this little tight group of friends and

724
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: when we were into this thing that was happening in

725
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: l A that eventually became very mainstream, but at that moment,

726
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: you know, for there was like a couple of years

727
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: there where it felt like it was like our little secret,

728
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Your mom obviously didn't throw

729
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: a fit or she didn't know you were going to

730
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: these shows, But do you think it's because you had

731
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: two older brothers blocking for you? Yeah? She she was.

732
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: She was broken by the time I came along. She's

733
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: given up. And did you guys ever, because the age

734
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: if you were your older brothers, how much older than you?

735
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: He's about seven years old, okay, in your middle brother

736
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: would be how about five? Yeah? Okay, that's significant an age.

737
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: But did you guys ever bond as brothers and have

738
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: real true brother mo much over music? Oh? For sure?

739
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean where you're all cool with each other. Yeah, yeah, tons, tons,

740
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: but sort of as we you know, as each one

741
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: of us got to a certain age. You know, when

742
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: I was a kid, just whatever my brother thought was cool,

743
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool. But would you ever think

744
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: you were a cool at fifteen and be like, hey, fifteen, yar,

745
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: will come with me. I'm twenty two, and our other

746
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: brothers seventeen. Let's get in the car and go to

747
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: a show that probably never happened. I mean, and maybe

748
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: here and there, maybe more so me and my brother Scot,

749
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: because me and my brothers got also, like you know,

750
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: played bands together and stuff like, you know, like lived

751
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: in l A together, and um, so that was probably

752
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that with him. But yeah,

753
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: now we we all kind of broke off and had

754
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: our kind of specific musical interests once we got to

755
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: a certain age, you know. And and it is a

756
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: funny thing because, like I learned so much about playing

757
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: from my brothers, but we probably never sat down and

758
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: had them go like, okay, here's how this lick goes.

759
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: It was just kind of osmosis. It was just being

760
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: in the room. Did you were you ever good enough

761
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: to where the older brother would go, hey, that's pretty good.

762
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: It uh not when I was not when I was

763
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: a teenager. No, you you know what I did. I

764
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: did a few years ago we were making a document

765
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: of food fighting documentary and and and I went back

766
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: and found all the old like footage of my high

767
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: school bands that I could get my hands on, you know,

768
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: like the drummer in my band that played the ninth

769
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: grade talent show. I had a video of that, and

770
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: then you know, another person had a video this, and

771
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: then and so I wound up cobbling together my ninth

772
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: grade talent show, this club gig when I was in

773
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: maybe tenth grade, and then a gig when I was

774
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: a senior, or wouldn't when I would have been a

775
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: senior um. And so it's just really over the course

776
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: of like four years, and it's wild to see. It's

777
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: like the first one, you can't even tell what we're doing,

778
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: and so we're playing kiss songs. It just sounds like

779
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: it's madness. Nobody's playing the same thing, you know, just

780
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: total chaos. The second one, it's like songs, but it's

781
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: really stiff and jan kee and not very together, and

782
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to play guitar, so all those and it's

783
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: not really working, you know what I mean. And then

784
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: by like that third one, we're like it's kind of Shredden,

785
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's like you could see the

786
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: evolution of just like because it was all we did.

787
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: It was just play. You know. We were either playing

788
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: keg parties or you know, bar gigs once we could

789
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: sort of start to get him and or just rehearsing

790
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: to my friend Luke's garage, or we just played all

791
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: the time, you know. And the more you played, obviously

792
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: the better he got. Yeah, and the more the more

793
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: you played. I mean it's like the Beatles in Germany

794
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: and they played clubs for twelve hours a night. Yeah,

795
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: of course they got great. They had to. They wouldn't

796
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: have been able to survive. They'll learn everything. You evolve

797
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: really fast and then you just kind of hold steady

798
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: for the next forty years. You rat Pack, did you

799
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: play bass? I did play bass in rat Pack. Bass

800
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: in a punk band? Is that consider punk? Would? Yeah? Okay?

801
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah there that the edges blur for me a bit

802
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: punk and thrash, well especially you know, I mean at

803
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: that moment in time in punk rock, like like you know,

804
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: rat Pack was was like a local punk rock band

805
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: at Santa Barbar where I was at, but like they

806
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: were also listening to guns and rows this and stuff,

807
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: so you get a little bit of that. Nobody wants

808
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: to admit that now, but there was. There was a

809
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: lot of crossover. What's a bass player? What's the comment

810
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: throw and a bass player in a punk band and

811
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: a guitar player in a rock band because I feel

812
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: like overplaying. I remember the guitar player in rat Pack

813
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: one time and I was like, yeah, I was probably

814
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: like six teams, so I didn't it wasn't really a

815
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: bass player. But um I remember rehearsal him stopping us

816
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of the song, and it was like, dude,

817
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: quit playing lead bass. It's not lead bass, it's just basse. Stop.

818
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: That's funny. Did you take to bass pretty easily from

819
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: playing guitar at the house? I mean, you're a kid now.

820
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: I played bass like a guitar player. My brother plays

821
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: bass like a bass player. It's a different thing. It's

822
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: I tried to play bass a little bit, and again

823
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm not. I mean, I'm close as good as you,

824
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: but not really, but not at all. But it's it

825
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: feels like I'm walking with different legs to get to

826
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: the same destination. It's like because you know, with the guitar,

827
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: especially if it's like a rhythm guitar, but bass, it's

828
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: like I'm having to play notes in places where I

829
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: never even heard the note to begin with, and I'm

830
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 1: setting things up, I'm building like tables for other notes

831
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: to sit on, Like this is way too smart for me. Yeah,

832
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: I think like when I'm playing bass on like my

833
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: own little demo or something, I just trying to play

834
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: like it's like one of those real like less is

835
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: more kind of guitar player. You can kind of be

836
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: clacking around, floating above everything else and making a racket.

837
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: But the bass, I don't know. It depends on the

838
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: genre too, But it's like for most of the stuff

839
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: that I'm doing, I'm trying to like like not just

840
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: kind of like not fill every little nook and cranny.

841
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm music illiterate and I need to prove myself, so

842
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to everything. I'm trying to tell every new

843
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: But when I played long View the first time, I

844
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: was like, I'm good, I'm put it down after a

845
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: green day and I was like, I'm good. I'm good

846
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: at bass. I just mastered it. I'm good to go.

847
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: So guns and Roses obviously massive, just in general in

848
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: the eighties. And there was a story that I read

849
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: about a friend of yours. Did he go an audition

850
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: for Guns and Roses or tell you should know, my buddy.

851
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: It's funny because that that thing. I should have never

852
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: told that story um in an interview, because it didn't

853
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: well yeah, so it's it's this funny thing that's become

854
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: like like a internet that ever I know. But so okay,

855
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: here's the straight I know. I was never in Guns

856
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: and Roses. I never auditioned for guns and Guns and

857
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: Roses never asked me to join the band. None of

858
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: that ever happened. What it was was a friend of

859
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: mine UM mentioned one day say, hey, dude, I think

860
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: I could get you an audition for Guns and Roses.

861
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: And this was in so this is right about the

862
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: time when I joined Food Fighters, right and in that

863
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: conversation I said to him, Hey, I heard food Fighters

864
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: are looking for a good time. Our player could see

865
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: if you can, you know, And he said, oh, I

866
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: know somebody that worse than whatever, And he actually did

867
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: wind up getting my name thrown in the hat when

868
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: they were having auditions. So that's how I got how

869
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I wanted up audition in for foods. But um, but

870
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: that was the like and my buddy Bill, he didn't

871
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: work for guns or there was no official anything. And

872
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: that was at a time when Guns and Roses wasn't

873
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: even Guns and Roses. It was like accel and and

874
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: you know it's like none of the original guys weren't

875
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: it besides actual So yeah, let's just put that to

876
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: bed right now. I never played in Guns and Roses

877
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: and and I would have gladly played in Guns and

878
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: Roses had anybody ever, right, especially if it was seven,

879
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um. And I was also

880
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: never a professional soccer player. That's another one of those

881
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: weird internet rumors that I don't know, that one. Yeah,

882
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: that one, that one's following me. I wish I had

883
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: been a professional soccer player. That would have been great.

884
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: Like a couple of things myself. I was never an astronaut,

885
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: that's right. I was never a brain surgeon. I don't

886
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: have a massive wiener that people have heard about it.

887
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: It's not that side. You're gonna keep that one. Alright, good,

888
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: biggest crowd that you guys have ever played in front of?

889
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I remember, and this was a long

890
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: time ago. We played Rock and Rio two thousands in Rio.

891
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: That's in Rio. Well it's funny, you asked, because they

892
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: also did Rock and Rio in like Lisbon, but which

893
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: wasn't in real But um, yeah, I know rock and

894
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: Rio actually in Rio, and I remember at the time

895
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: maybe somebody said it was like a hundred thousand or

896
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: a couple hundred thousand people even big, and uh, get

897
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: more nervous. It's gotta be still up there. Now, you

898
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: get less nervous for that. You get less nervous for

899
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: that because it's so big. It's just like you can't

900
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: even see people's faces. What about your shows now? Way

901
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: more nerve racking, especially if they're sparsely attended. Those are

902
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: the most nerve wracking of all. Do you watch people's faces?

903
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: I have a bad habit when it's my solo thing

904
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: of of like getting distracted by watching people's faces, especially

905
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: if like somebody's like looking at their phone, somebody's like

906
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and still and somebody's like

907
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: looking at their phone and like elbowing their friend and

908
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: they're laughing, and all of a sudden, I start to

909
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: think about, like, what's that I'm dealing and then I

910
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: forget the verse that you know what I mean? Um, yeah,

911
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta figure out how to just tune

912
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: the crowd out but stay connected, but tune them out.

913
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I drive myself crazy because if I I can't assign

914
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: my feelings on to other people. And I've even been

915
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: to therapy where I would go out and I'll do

916
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: a theater of a couple of thousand people. I'll be doing,

917
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: telling jokes, rocking it. If I see one person that

918
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: looks like they're tired or yawned or get up, And

919
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: it's a theater, so it's not only the environment where

920
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: people get up, but if they get up, Like god,

921
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm a suck totally. And so I didn't have. The

922
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: weirdest thing was performing, Like it's so easy to misjudge

923
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: a crowd, but because I've assigned how what I think

924
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: on them. If they're yawning, they must be like me.

925
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: And when I yawned, I'm board. They may have a

926
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: yawn disease. What do I know? The old classic yawn disease,

927
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: and so what I would talk to my therapist about it.

928
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: She goes, let me get this straight. There's I don't know,

929
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: two thousand other people. They're having a great time, yeah,

930
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: laughing their butts off. But you see one person in

931
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: the third row that's like talking to their buddy or

932
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: and that's the thing that triggers you to go, maybe

933
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough. Plus you immediately assume that the

934
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: thing that they're talking about is something negative about you.

935
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: That's the absolutely. It's like if two people are whispering

936
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: around you, You're like, well, for sure they're talking about me.

937
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: They probably heard that big penis rumor, and now so

938
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: they know it's not true because I revealed it. And

939
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: then here we are, oh yeah, and you know nine

940
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: times out of town when you actually encounter because I've

941
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: had that happen where the person you in the crowd

942
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: that you think is not enjoying themselves, you'd like talk

943
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: to them after the show and they're like, dude, that

944
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: was the best, and you just have completely and you

945
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: and I always gotta remember myself, like when I met

946
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: a show, I'm not like in the rogued dancing and

947
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: going you know what, I mean, it's like, you know,

948
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: I try to watch fourheads. Yeah, that is now what

949
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: I try to do. I only look at foreheads and

950
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: listen back. I tell you what, dude, Having played in

951
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: like punk rock bands in my younger years, it ruins

952
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: your ability to judge a crowd forever because the because

953
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: the bar was if there wasn't a big pit, it

954
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a good show. And so you get conditioned and

955
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: I will never be unconditioned to that that, like the

956
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: crowd has to be going insane for it's a registers

957
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: a good thing and I always have, especially with like

958
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: with my solo stuff, that like runs way mellower than

959
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: punk rock. You know, even though a lot of it's

960
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: like rocking, it's not that kind of rocking, you know

961
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's and and at the no, you're

962
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be sad they're not, and like they're in

963
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: seats and stuff. So it's just not in it's it's

964
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: it would be genre inappropriate. Was ever dangerous for you

965
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: play and punk bands that young? Because I would be

966
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: scared to go heat. Mike is a huge punk guy,

967
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: goes to show still, It's like he's very valuable to me.

968
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: He's like my main guy, yet he's in there freaking

969
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: big in his neck broken, Like I don't understand, Like,

970
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: I just feel like you would get hurt too. Um,

971
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: like you're diving on drums, spitting in people's mouths. I

972
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: don't think anybody ever actually spit in my mouth. But yeah,

973
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember one time and this didn't really

974
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: seem like scary scary, but uh, but you do have

975
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: moments like this, like where we were on tour. Um

976
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: I was on tour with no used for name, and

977
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: and we were in somewhere in Spain and we were

978
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: playing and the crowd was really like going bananas, and

979
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: it was packed club and there was like, uh, all

980
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: the bouncers were lined up across the front of the

981
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: stage and they were really man handling the kids. And

982
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: so we got on our high arts. I'm like, man,

983
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: get that out of here, and you guys b and

984
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: all the bouncers just kind of went like all right,

985
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: and they all left and then we started playing the

986
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: next song and it was just a complete stage vasion,

987
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: like totally insane. But I'm sorry, guys, Okay, you were

988
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: doing something after all. I get it. Yeah, I mean

989
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: I've seen stuff like that. I remember touring with with

990
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: Unwritten Lawns and then we were down and when and

991
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: when I was playing a band called twenty two Jacks

992
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: and uh, and there was if I remember correctly, there

993
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: was some some the bouncers were being pretty rough and

994
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: one of them was standing like in the middle of

995
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: the stage, like not like crouched down, but like in

996
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: the middle of the stage while the while Unwritten Law

997
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: was playing, and Scott, the singer front Written Law, just

998
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: kicked him in the ass into the crowd and it

999
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: was like that time I was scared because the bouncers

1000
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: wanted to kill everybody. At that point, I think I

1001
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: think we had to sneak him out of there in

1002
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: our van. Yeah, lost it see the record itself. So

1003
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. Whenever you go, when you play these

1004
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: shows and now you're having and you've been listen, you've

1005
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: been doing versions of this for a long time, right,

1006
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: So it's not like this you're just going, I'm a

1007
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: solo artist now from a first time, you have different

1008
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: kind of incarnations of who you are. This to me

1009
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: is the first project like this that's just you. You

1010
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: can tell me I'm wrong, Am I wrong? I feel

1011
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: like this is the mode from what I've heard of this,

1012
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: it's way it's different sonically, and it feels like a

1013
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: way different you than I've heard through other versions. Yeah, yeah,

1014
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: I'd say that's fair. That's fair. Okay, So lost at

1015
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: see you're playing these songs? Are you playing I don't know,

1016
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: mostly songs from the new record? Are you playing any

1017
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: of the other versions? I don't know. What you do?

1018
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: It depends on you know, like the like, like if

1019
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: we're supporting somebody else and we have a shorter set

1020
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: library Smoke, for example, when you're opening for them, you'll

1021
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: play three three songs off the new record. Okay, I think, yeah,

1022
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: it's so two of which nobody will have ever heard,

1023
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: um and then what else? And then songs from my

1024
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: last couple of records. And then I put out a

1025
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: couple of songs just on my own last summer, So

1026
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: I'll probably play one or two of those. You know,

1027
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: that's a question of how you juggled that, especially when

1028
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: you were kind of not rebranding but just showing a

1029
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: different part of who you are music. Yeah, it's it

1030
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: can be challenging to try to, like, you know, because

1031
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: you want to just get up there and play everything.

1032
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: But you gotta you gotta trim it down. Well, you

1033
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: do double time and get double the songs in there,

1034
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: you go faster. Indeed. Yeah, well we'll just set the

1035
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, the click track a little faster. Mike. I

1036
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 1: know you're a big fan. What's the deal here with you? Yeah?

1037
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up on Fat Records, so now

1038
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: you all right on? No use for her name me

1039
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: first in the game games favorite bands growing up? Um,

1040
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: I think the thing I loved about me first was

1041
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: punk rock supergroup. Guys did amazing covers. If you could

1042
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: form a supergroup now, like with him, of your peers,

1043
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: who would be in that band and what kind of

1044
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: songs would you cover? Oh man, who would be in it? Now?

1045
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: Does it? Of I don't know. That's a tough one

1046
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: because me first and then Gimme's just kind of fell together.

1047
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: It was just like the you know, me and Joey

1048
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: were living in San Francisco at that time. We had

1049
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: just moved up there. Spike was working at Fat Records,

1050
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: Dave was was living there because he was still in

1051
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: r k L at the time, and you know, of course, Mike,

1052
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: you know it's bat Record so he was there. Um,

1053
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: so it just kind of came together without like any

1054
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: real any real planning. But I always thought it would

1055
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: be cool to make, like to corral a bunch of

1056
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: folks from out here and do a really super badass

1057
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: like classic country cover band and go play parties. But

1058
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: there must be like a hundred people that already do that,

1059
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: so I don't, well, not, I've never done that. Yes,

1060
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: that would be fun for me, but not not. Yes

1061
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: and no. The answer is yes, people do that, but

1062
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: not people that are superior at least I'm in theory.

1063
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: Or Okay, you say that, that's why I need a

1064
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: bunch of really good players to come make it sound

1065
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: really good. But like, like, how cool would that be

1066
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: to take like everybody that played on on my new

1067
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: record Coach play like you know, of just a classic

1068
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: classic country cover set somewhere. I think it'd be super

1069
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: I think, give me the analogy here. I'll set you

1070
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: up if I do. Obviously, I had a showing that

1071
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: GEO for a while on a small ish budget, and

1072
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: we had fine catering. It was fine. You know, we

1073
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: go out, we're all over the country on location. Fine

1074
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: good crew, fine American idol. Network best food money is

1075
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: awesome just a lot more time. But there's a difference

1076
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: in the two when you're doing you versus food. I'm

1077
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: assuming that's probably similar. Well, if you need a visual, uh,

1078
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: send your camera crew to the Airbnb I'm staying at

1079
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: right now and that will clearly illustrate the difference. And

1080
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: if that doesn't make it clear enough, um, I'll drive

1081
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: you around in my van that we tour in as well.

1082
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: Is it a plus because that I say, I've said

1083
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: it before, not just here, you're here. I think the

1084
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: I think Food Fighters are the greatest American living band

1085
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: right now period, just because two things. One three lots

1086
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: of hits still relevant and the length of amount that

1087
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: the time you guys have been relevant, meaning you're talking

1088
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: about decades and yeah, I did an alternative based show

1089
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: for a long time. And to me, Food Fighters are

1090
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: extremely well respected and regarded and acculated, but still the

1091
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: most underappreciated band, one of them in music history. And

1092
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: I think up absolutely very much. So you can be

1093
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: but you can also be overrated and be awesome. Not

1094
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Food Fighters, but I'm saying you can. You can be like, Wow,

1095
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: that person's overrated and they can still score thirty five

1096
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: a game and get nine rebounds. But the point is,

1097
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 1: I think because of a couple of things, you guys

1098
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: do not get the actual appreciation you deserve. Like some

1099
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: of the absolute greats of all time, I don't think

1100
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: you're great versus everybody, and I think great versus everybody.

1101
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: Ever at the duration of success they hits. You keep

1102
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: putting in the relevance. Now you put out a new record,

1103
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: Now it's still boom go. I'll tell you when you

1104
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: talk about the duration, it is funny because somebody posted

1105
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 1: um on my Twitter feed the other day. I don't

1106
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: even know when this. I think it was pretty early

1107
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: in me being in the band. It must have been

1108
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: like the first tour, some live clip and it just

1109
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: you just look at it and you're like, oh my god,

1110
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: we're kids were like, you know, but here was that?

1111
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: You think? Well, I mean, I joined the band at

1112
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: ninety nine, so it was probably like a clip from

1113
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: like two thousand or so, I don't know, and like

1114
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm wearing like sleeveless. The thing that jumped out of

1115
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 1: me was I had cut off sleeve T shirt, which

1116
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: dates it from quite because I can't imagine I would

1117
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: be doing that anytime recently. But um removed Food Fighters

1118
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: from the conversation. Just just me and you're talking about music.

1119
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: Remove food Fighters. Name another American band that's got years

1120
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: of absolute greatness, just period. It could be from any time.

1121
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: It's a what do you do? Who do you put there? Yeah?

1122
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're it's it's you gotta appreciate it.

1123
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing, and you just you know, when

1124
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: you're like in it and living at day to day,

1125
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: you sort of you know, I think one of the

1126
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: hardest things in life is to sort of be in

1127
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: the moment and appreciate it as it's all happening. And

1128
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: it's like you never really do. But when you look

1129
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: back over the length of time, you just look at

1130
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: like exactly what I'm saying, Like, I look at that

1131
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: video footage, dude, that was that was like several lifetimes ago.

1132
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't I wasn't married, I didn't have kids,

1133
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: and my son's in college now. It's like that's it's

1134
00:54:51,120 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: literally like it's it's a long stretch. When we look

1135
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: back at songs that you've written and they all come

1136
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: to my head and you know, music for me, if

1137
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: I hear a song that was a big part of

1138
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: my life at a certain point, I automatically kind of

1139
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: feel like that pointing and even for just a second,

1140
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: it's one of the cool things music or even smells of,

1141
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: like old food does, like oh my grandma used to

1142
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: cook that. Okay, I kind of feel that. But it's like,

1143
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: oh my, so you're one of the writers in the song, right,

1144
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: like you're writer on in my life. I mean, you

1145
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: know that's a that's like is that I'm not gonna

1146
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: claim writing, like you know, aren't you but aren't you on?

1147
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: Then you're on there where Yeah, I'm on that record,

1148
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: but like you know what I mean, like like, yeah,

1149
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: that's dude, that's Dave, that's Dave's riff man. No, okay,

1150
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the Riff's mean the song in general.

1151
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: But you we all we all played on it. But

1152
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But you're not do you

1153
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: get publishing for it? We're getting into the weeds? Um yes, okay,

1154
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: so but it's but at the same but that said,

1155
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: like I'm you know, like Dave is very much the

1156
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: writer and the and the has always lad the sort

1157
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: of creative vision of the band. You know, and I wasn't.

1158
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't saying he wasn't. I just think

1159
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: that these songs and I was looking at through the

1160
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: notes with your name through on the publishing, So I

1161
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: just assumed I was on the publish any for sure.

1162
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: You know one of the writers there? Do you when

1163
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: you guys right? And I really don't have that many

1164
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: food fin questions, but you just put me on to

1165
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: another one. When you guys write, do you guys get

1166
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: in a room and just if you write, do it

1167
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: together or does he come in or do you come in?

1168
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: Or is it different every time? It's it's changed here

1169
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: and there over the years, you know, UM, And in

1170
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: the in the past, maybe we would we would spend

1171
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: more time, UM, like he would make it like record

1172
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: some demos. Then we would learn the songs and maybe

1173
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: we demo UM and then get into the studio. And

1174
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: then there's been times where you know, he just brings

1175
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: them in, we learned them in the studio and kind

1176
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: of piece them together as as we're going. UM. So

1177
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of everything. Do you write.

1178
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: I used to get really hung up on demos, you know, well,

1179
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: like what what you know how the demo demo, Yeah,

1180
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: and like you know and and that was well, that

1181
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: was the part I played on the demo, and I'd

1182
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: really try it. It's like I almost try to prepare

1183
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: less now to be more responsive and so you're not attached.

1184
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: Maybe if you prepare less, that means you're not married

1185
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: to that. The first time I ever sort of learned

1186
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: that was coming out here and making a record with

1187
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: Dave Cobb, which is like he even in that before

1188
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: I came out here for the first record I made

1189
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: with him, he was like, don't make demos, and I

1190
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: did anyway. I made it like a bunch of demos.

1191
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: But then once you want to work tape, I mean,

1192
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: then just recorded in the iPhone the general rough. I

1193
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: think he would prefer you to just sing it in

1194
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: the room on an acoustic guitar and then but yeah,

1195
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: but what if you're write it's not here. I guess

1196
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: it's my point. You said don't make demos because I

1197
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: like that, and I liked what you just said there,

1198
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: because you can definitely fall in love with the demo

1199
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: and then anything that comes after you're just like, I

1200
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: don't know, it's not really what I felt when I

1201
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: wrote this original, but it's way more fun to be

1202
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: open to just kind of getting banged into something different

1203
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: when you're in the room. So if you right now,

1204
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: we just write something and recorded on your iPhone like

1205
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: in a voice note yeah, and then you know, to

1206
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: truth be told. I'll still go make it demno it

1207
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: in my studio, but I try not to get stuck

1208
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: on it. That's the lesson. Do your kids think you're cool? Um?

1209
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: Not to my face? Do you ever hear though? And

1210
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: it makes you proud that they've told somebody they're proud

1211
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 1: of you, but they won't tell you, but it comes

1212
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: back to you they are, Um yeah, I don't know

1213
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: if it's ever come back for me exactly. Um, you know,

1214
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: my like, my kids are great. I think like they've

1215
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: grown up with you know, they've they've grown up with

1216
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: a dad who has a really weird job, you know,

1217
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 1: and so they've been around that their whole lives. And

1218
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's it's totally demystified. Like

1219
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: if if my dad had been in you know, heart

1220
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: or something, you know, and then I wouldn't have wondered

1221
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: all the things that I wondered about. What happens on

1222
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: the other side of them, you know, backstage door or whatever.

1223
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: So you know, I think it's I think it's an

1224
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: interesting thing. Like I think my kids definitely appreciate the

1225
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: fact that I get to lead this weird life and

1226
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: they get to, you know, lead a weird life because

1227
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: of it. Um. They they musical. Uh, they've all well

1228
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: I've forced them all to take lessons here and they

1229
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: them have a passion to do it for their life.

1230
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: My youngest has gotten really kind of into it now. Yeah,

1231
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: he they all quit playing. My oldest wants to be

1232
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: a filmmaker, so you know, that's his thing, that's his passion.

1233
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: And and then my you know, they all played, but

1234
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: my youngest has now kind of come back to it.

1235
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 1: So we'll see. Do you ever practice? Do I? Oh, god,

1236
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: all the time? I know, not so much in terms

1237
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: of like practicing. I don't sit like I might sit

1238
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: there and kind of would shed on something specific. Um,

1239
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: but I'm being I just play all the time. Do

1240
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: you still love to play? I still love to play?

1241
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: You ever? Like, I just wish I had a guitar

1242
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: right now all the time. Yeah, And isn't that if

1243
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: you can move yourself from you, which is a hard

1244
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: thing to do. Isn't that kind of awesome that somebody

1245
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: who's done it through all different levels and stages and

1246
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: seasons of life like still has that thing that they've

1247
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 1: done and they still love doing It's so rare. It's

1248
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: it's so like, I'm thankful that I get to do

1249
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: what I do and still love doing it even though

1250
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: it's a grind sometimes. Are you thankful that you still

1251
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: love it? Totally? Yeah, Because there was a point, there

1252
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: was one point that I remember, and it was a

1253
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: long time ago now where I was kind of like

1254
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: not playing that much in the off season and not

1255
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: doing much, you know, and and and then um, a

1256
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: series of things happen to kind of like reignited that

1257
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: feeling in me, and I just never ever want to

1258
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: lose it again. And I know, for me, like even

1259
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: when you're not feeling like particularly motivated or whatever, I

1260
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: just play through it. Let's play, I just play. I

1261
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: bet it's it's almost at this point like that never

1262
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: happens because either either you're writing or recording or rehearsing

1263
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: or just sitting in my studio mess around with with

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01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: amps and pedals and different guitars, and so there's just

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Speaker 1: it's just always something. Are you on an eternal search

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01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: for the right tone? Probably more so now than ever? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And do you know when you hit it or do

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Speaker 1: you still question it even though you got it? I

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01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: think he's still I think you you hit it and

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Speaker 1: then you lose it and then you start looking for

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Speaker 1: it again, or your or the you know what that

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01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: is changes, or you hear somebody else and you're like, whoa,

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Speaker 1: how do you do that? You know? Why is the

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Speaker 1: record called Lost to Sea? It's it's a part of

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Speaker 1: a line in one of the songs. Yeah, any lines

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Speaker 1: and these songs that are super personal because I did

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Speaker 1: see a thing where you're like, it's a very personal

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Speaker 1: record and that that means that is sure? I like that, right,

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Speaker 1: everybody's trying to write personal stuff because that's what we

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Speaker 1: have that's different than everybody else. But is there anything

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Speaker 1: a line or anything that's in there? It's like, man,

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Speaker 1: this is like a real personal and like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I should even put that out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a couple. There's one of the songs. Um, you

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Speaker 1: don't even have to highlight it now. I just wonder

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01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: if that's ever yeah, I know there's a song on

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Speaker 1: there that I wrote probably, like I don't even know,

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Speaker 1: a long time ago, when I was going through some stuff.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah you So, yeah, there's It's it's funny because

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Speaker 1: I don't think to anybody else would read it the

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Speaker 1: way that I hear, which is why I don't want

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Speaker 1: to ask you what it is. But it's just did

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01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: you get in that place where you're like, man, this

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Speaker 1: is something if but good for you? I mean you

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Speaker 1: you hung in there? Did you pull any out? Though

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Speaker 1: in the same way that was no, you know, I

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01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: mean they were definitely. It's a funny thing with songwriting

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Speaker 1: because like there it's like I like it the more

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Speaker 1: specific it is. But then you know, it's usually a

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Speaker 1: lot of these songs wind up being like it's like

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Speaker 1: ten different things that become one story. So the whole

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Speaker 1: thing is kind of just fictional pale, but it's based

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Speaker 1: on you know, it's like every line is like from

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01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: something that that you experienced, you know what I mean.

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01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: So it's like it's real and it's just a story.

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Speaker 1: At the same time. The most country song that you've

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Speaker 1: ever written is on this record, I think, So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's one. There's a couple of them. There's one called

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Speaker 1: Dead and Gone um, and there's another one called carry

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Speaker 1: Midnight Texas Queen. It's a lot of words. It's a

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Speaker 1: lot of words. Did you consider just Midnight Texas Queen?

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Speaker 1: A lot? I know? Name and songs and name and records.

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Speaker 1: It's always kind of challenging. Do you write on the

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Speaker 1: set list Queen? When we learn it? Yeah, now we're

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Speaker 1: in that fun part where now I actually have to

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Speaker 1: go in there and learn how to play my own songs.

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Speaker 1: Everybody Chris Shifflet music dot Com go to on Instagram

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Speaker 1: shifty seventy one. I saw that you're on TikTok now, yes,

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Speaker 1: which well, I mean, can you talk about my kids

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01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: thinking I'm cool? My kids roast me about my TikTok

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01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: posts constantly. You're not. I didn't even roast me on there,

1322
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: like you're not dancing though, right, no dance, no dancing.

1323
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: But they're just like, oh my god, dad's please stop

1324
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: putting like the little like dancing cowboy boots or like

1325
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: the filter like nobody does that, Like I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's it's an option in there. It makes it look sparkly.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean it looks like snow's falling. It's cool.

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Speaker 1: The record is out in October. But when this airs, Mike,

1329
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Speaker 1: just making sure we're all black top white lines will

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Speaker 1: be out. That'll be out. Um also quickly, you just

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Speaker 1: want to just highlight a couple of songs real quick.

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Speaker 1: Here is Long Long Year, here you go, and here

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Speaker 1: is Born and Raised. I mean, I I hear like

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Speaker 1: eighties Eagles, like because I love eighties. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: the most complimentary way, Like that's what makes me feel

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Speaker 1: that feeling. I yeah, where it's just like, ah, it's

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Speaker 1: funny because something like that. That is exactly kind of

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Speaker 1: what I was alluding to earlier, where in my head

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing it like Steve Earle, but everybody else hears

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Speaker 1: it like the Eagles. So it's cool either way, or

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Speaker 1: what I said. You know what, Chris, they are the Wiggles. Okay,

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Speaker 1: see exactly, all right, you guys follow Chris. You're out

1343
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: on the road. But what are you doing on the road.

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Speaker 1: I know you're with black Berry Smoke here, but are

1345
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: you with them all the time? No, we're just it's

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Speaker 1: a one off we got, you know, I got offered

1347
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Speaker 1: to come out and play open one off uh here

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01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: and there. I just did a bunch of dates in

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Speaker 1: December out on the West Coast and then I've got

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Speaker 1: um a tour of the UK and Ireland coming up

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01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: at the end of March. Um and that's and we're

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Speaker 1: working on trying to figure out some other stuff. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: watch Foreheads. That's it. That's gonna leave you. I'll leave

1354
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: you with a nugget. That's right, because obviously I'm your hero,

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Speaker 1: So watch Foreheads. You learned from me. This is a

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Speaker 1: big deal. Fee to be here, and it's actually the

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Speaker 1: opposite of all I just said I was. We're pumped

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Speaker 1: to have you. This has been a thrill for me.

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Speaker 1: I hope you had a good time it. We just

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Speaker 1: did over an hour and love and loved the music.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, love the music. All right, there is Chris Shiffick.