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Speaker 1: Welcome to Strictly Business, Variety's weekly podcast featuring conversations with

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Speaker 1: industry leaders about the business of entertainment. I'm Cynthia Littleton,

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Speaker 1: Business editor of Variety Today. My guest in New York

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Speaker 1: is Gary Nell, chairman of National Geographic Partners. National Geographic

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Speaker 1: is in for a big transition this month, as Disney

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Speaker 1: completes its historic acquisition of twenty first century Fox. The

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Speaker 1: deal includes Fox's majority interest in the National Geographic Partner's

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Speaker 1: joint venture with the nonprofit National Geographic Society. Nell, who

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Speaker 1: has headed nat Geo since late two thousand thirteen, offers

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Speaker 1: his insight into how nat Geo fits into Disney's larger

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Speaker 1: plan to launch a global streaming platform. He also reflects

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Speaker 1: on Fox's stewardship of the nat Geo brand. The partnership

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Speaker 1: the two struck back in race. Some eyebrows at the start,

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Speaker 1: but Nell, who ran Sesame, Workshop and NPR before he

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Speaker 1: magazine and society might not exist today if it hadn't

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Speaker 1: expanded into cable television back in Gary Nell, chairman of

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Speaker 1: National Geographic Partners, thank you so much for coming in

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Speaker 1: during what what must be a very busy time for you.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be here. I don't know what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about. Well, National Geographic, like most of the rest

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Speaker 1: of twenty century Fox, is just about to be formally

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Speaker 1: absorbed by the Walt Disney Company, and the Disney Company

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Speaker 1: has no shortage of ambition for what it's going to

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Speaker 1: Geographic Partners, the partnership between what is now what will

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Speaker 1: be Disney and the National Geographic Society, what do you

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Speaker 1: see on the horizon for the brand with this you know,

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Speaker 1: incredible merger and this ambitious energy behind behind launching these

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Speaker 1: brands in the streaming we are super excited, I mean,

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Speaker 1: to be joining up with the Walt Disney Company. Nobody

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Speaker 1: manages brands better than they do um and you know,

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Speaker 1: we've been now put out forward already as one of

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Speaker 1: excited about that. And as Bob Iger and all of

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Speaker 1: his colleagues repositioned Disney towards more of a direct to

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Speaker 1: consumer business, I think, UM, we're perfectly positioned to UM

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Speaker 1: National Geographic has been about for over a hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty years. How do you think, UM, how do you

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Speaker 1: think do you have a sense of what it will

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Speaker 1: look like on day one? For the service? Will will

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Speaker 1: you know, first of all, National Geographic Partners is a

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Speaker 1: week and UH and the National Geographic Society, which is

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Speaker 1: a nonprofit UM. And we will be positioned to be

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Speaker 1: able to have of course, our linear service continuing, which

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Speaker 1: and is very successful, one of the most widely distributed

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Speaker 1: then we'll be on the streaming services about Disney Plus

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Speaker 1: And we're just beginning to get our arms around that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we haven't been able to really do that

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Speaker 1: you tell me what the reaction was internally? Well, I

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Speaker 1: They they came to a meeting of the minds, UM.

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Speaker 1: And once you wrapped your head around it, Cynthia, I

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Speaker 1: I think Fox in some ways decided that this arms

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Speaker 1: in the sense that the the creative freedom that Fox

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Speaker 1: have um that creative freedom as well, but you know,

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Speaker 1: but I think we'll miss we'll miss some of that

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Speaker 1: freedom that that Fox gave us. It's interesting that you

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Speaker 1: shrines to National Geographic. It's pretty amazing, and with people

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Speaker 1: me over the years. Joan always stood for reinvention and disruption. Um.

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Speaker 1: And she she disrupted television by using the power of

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Speaker 1: issues that are important at National Geographic I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a trust that you have as the executive running

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Speaker 1: that's how I've always tried to run these organizations, and

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Speaker 1: after you know, many many years, where other people have

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Speaker 1: fallen off the tracks. Well. As a fan of many

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Speaker 1: of those brands, I want to thank you for being

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Speaker 1: sure it's going to be a very it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a wild ride for you in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of months in that integration. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: taking time to people. It's really great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Thanks for listening. Be sure to tune

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Speaker 1: in next week for another episode of Strictly Business. M