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Speaker 2: But we've got some NFL stuff to talk about. So

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Speaker 2: we got into this discussion on the show today and

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Speaker 2: I said you know, obviously, when the NFL had to

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Speaker 2: write almost a you know, a billion dollar check for CTE,

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Speaker 2: the game got safer really fast. And you can't touch quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: on anybody but a running back going forward. That's why

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Speaker 2: it's really makes sense to have two and three running

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Speaker 2: I said, because it's become such an offensive league, there's

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Speaker 2: And I said, here's the thing about Shnur Sanders. If

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Speaker 2: the third best quarterback in that division. He'll never be

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Speaker 2: And he's not Lamar Jackson. If the Steelers hit on

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Speaker 2: He's not an exceptional athlete, not an exceptional arm and if,

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Speaker 2: He may be better than Dak, but again, he would

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Speaker 2: takeaway and Shaudeur Sanders is do teams think like that?

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Speaker 2: It only takes one coach to love bow Nicks, right

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Speaker 2: like Sean Payton loved him because there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: Do scouts think like that? Yeah? I mean these conversations

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Speaker 1: definitely come up, not only right now but throughout the

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Speaker 1: the hell is ever going to be better than Lamar

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Speaker 1: three year old Matt Stafford. More than likely you're not

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton has made one hundred and sixty eight starts

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Speaker 1: What the hell's the difference of Shador Sanders. I know,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of people saying that Jackson Dart has

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Speaker 2: well just wait and draft Jackson Dart, although I would

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Speaker 2: say he's not nearly as accurate as Shaudur Sanders. An

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Speaker 2: most important thing. Jalen Milrose mechanical. I think he has

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Speaker 2: You know, I've said Kyle McCord at Syracuse. I take

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Speaker 2: Trayvon Henderson from Ohio State, Yeah, with Molik Neighbors. I

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Speaker 1: Well, I think if you look at the Giants, if

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. So he can take two quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: he has concussion issues. You know, you get another concussion.

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Speaker 1: good players that come out of this draft, but no

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, well, how high is Mason Graham's ceiling?

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Speaker 1: Or it's like what's his name? The LSU tackle, It's like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just a lot of unknown which I think a lot

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Speaker 2: In your years of being a scout. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: have your top one hundred and FIFTFTY players like and

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Speaker 2: you also have the red players that you won't draft

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Speaker 2: either personnel, personality problems, character issues or injuries. Are there

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Speaker 1: Would say you know the information most of these teams,

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Speaker 1: I would say, I think there's a chance Miami is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think people. You know, we talk a

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Speaker 2: they're just five and a half points to six points better.

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Speaker 2: And again you're talking about between the draft and free agency,

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Speaker 2: like eight to nine new starters and a couple of

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Speaker 2: high end starters. You're talking about Drake May potentially with

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Speaker 2: a Travis Hunter. You're talking about the worst coach team

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Speaker 2: to probably one of the seven to eight to nine

433
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Speaker 2: best coach teams. That's five and a half to six points.

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Speaker 2: They were three and six in one possession games with

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Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback. If that's just six and three, you

436
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Speaker 2: don't have to go nine to zero. This is an

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Speaker 2: eight to nine win team. And again the Jets a

438
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Speaker 2: bit lost. I agree with you, Miami's a mess. So

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Speaker 2: I think New England's in play.

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Speaker 1: I would say the other team would be speaking of Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. You know, last year, I just didn't pull

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Speaker 1: the trigger and he did exactly what he Yes, they

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Speaker 1: were the five seed. Well this year it's nine and

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Speaker 1: a half, and everyone always gets off the scent with them.

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Speaker 1: During like free agency, Jim is not going to trade

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Speaker 1: He didn't do it last year, He's not going to

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Speaker 1: do it this year. He won't do it next year.

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Speaker 1: You know what he will do though, in like the

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Speaker 1: this guy's not that sexy who will just be a

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Speaker 1: starter for him for a long time. Then you watch

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Speaker 1: the season and you just go, God, their team is

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Speaker 1: just physical and good. He has a really talented quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Why couldn't they win twelve games. I mean they're over

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Speaker 1: under right now is nine and a half. I think

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Speaker 1: they are a lock. I mean, Jim Harbaugh is now

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Speaker 1: coach in the NFL five years and made the playoffs

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Speaker 1: and four of them. So I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: can overtake the Chiefs, but it wouldn't shock me if

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Speaker 1: it gets a little closer. And don't let free agency

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Speaker 2: Him more regularly now over the next seven weeks, Jason Timp,

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Speaker 2: host of Hoops Tonight. You know that there was a

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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy three have grown half an inch. The

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Speaker 2: But it was I didn't love Lebron saying that I

523
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Speaker 2: was like Lebron. Wilt and Jerry West played in the seventies,

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Speaker 2: Doctor j played in the seventies. Bill Walton played in

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Speaker 2: the seventies. I don't know why it didn't bother me,

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Speaker 2: but it was one of those I heard it and

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Speaker 2: I thought, no, honest, now, you honest man have averaged

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Speaker 2: forty but he can't shoot like he can't shoot. What

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Speaker 2: did you make of that comment and your thoughts about

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Speaker 2: jenneral comparisons.

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Speaker 4: Well, for that exact reason, like you mentioned the size,

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Speaker 4: if it was not just size back then, spacing was

533
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Speaker 4: poor back then. Yeah, and in general, like Giannis would

534
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Speaker 4: have been running into a lot of bodies. That said,

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Speaker 4: I firmly believe Janness would average forty forty five if

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Speaker 4: you played in that era, just simply because it would

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Speaker 4: be like a man amongst boys in terms of the

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Speaker 4: athletes that he'd be competing with. I just a couple things.

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Speaker 4: I don't see any point in comparing era to era

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Speaker 4: in general. I mean, like we talked about the seventies

541
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Speaker 4: like it was not that long ago as fifty years ago.

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00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: It's a half century ago. And in general, there's just

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Speaker 4: been so many changes schematically, there's been so many changes

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Speaker 4: in player development and the skill. Like you know, what's

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Speaker 4: always so funny to me when you go back and

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Speaker 4: you watch basketball players in the sixties and seventies, the

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Speaker 4: jump shots.

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Speaker 1: Are all weird looking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And one of the reasons why the jump shots

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Speaker 4: on YouTube or go turn on the TV and watch

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Speaker 4: their favorite players play when they were kids. They taught

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Speaker 4: themselves out of shoot. Everyone today kind of shoots more

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Speaker 4: And so It's one of those things where like we've

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Speaker 4: just perfected this sport in so many different ways, and

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Speaker 4: you know, one of the things that I dislike about it.

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Speaker 4: And it kind of goes back to what we talked

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Speaker 4: about when we were talking about Stephen A. Smith a

566
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. But when you I don't believe

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Speaker 4: in stooping down to that level you, by the way,

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Speaker 4: are you have a saying that you've used over the

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Speaker 4: years that I've loved. You said, I can have an opinion,

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Speaker 4: and you can have an opinion on my opinion. I

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Speaker 4: don't need to have an opinion on your opinion of

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Speaker 4: my opinion, which, by the way, is like a foundational

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Speaker 4: thing that I lean on and I'm when I'm doing

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Speaker 4: what I do too. And like one of the big

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Speaker 4: things that I look at there is like, Okay, Lebron,

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Speaker 4: you're playing basketball. Okay, these old guys are trashing your era.

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Speaker 4: But what good does it do to then step in

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Speaker 4: and then be disrespectful to their era? That doesn't serve

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Speaker 4: a purpose. In my opinion, it kind of is it's

580
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Speaker 4: stooping to that level. It doesn't forward the conversation. And like,

581
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Speaker 4: from that same point, I feel like Lebron is just

582
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Speaker 4: shouldn't be the guy sending that type of message that

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Speaker 4: he's trying to send. That said, like, I think in general,

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Speaker 4: Lebron's just sick and tired of getting criticized by like

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Speaker 4: the Mjklan, the throwback like the old league was better

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Speaker 4: type of plan, and I think he's just sick of it,

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Speaker 4: and I think he's acting out.

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Speaker 2: You know, It's interesting. The other day I was saying

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Speaker 2: about Okay, see, I'm like, I know they're gonna win

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Speaker 2: into some series.

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Speaker 1: I know they're really good.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doubting that brilliant GM. I don't think SGA

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Speaker 2: will quite get that whistle in the postseason, but he'll

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Speaker 2: get a whistle if chet Holnggrun's healthy. They've got some

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Speaker 2: offensive options. I do worry about their young players in

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Speaker 2: big road games. You know, everything changes. No sport in

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Speaker 2: our country changes more from regular season to postseason. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm watching here today. You got to fight in the

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Speaker 2: NBA Missesota's coaches, and you're getting feisty now in playoff seating,

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Speaker 2: and it's like it changes the game. It's an outside

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Speaker 2: of the COVID year men win in the playoffs. Young

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Speaker 2: men can do really well in the regular season. But

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Speaker 2: the one thing about Oklahoma City Tom Tolbert texted me

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Speaker 2: when I was talking about him, He goes, they lead

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Speaker 2: the NBA and assists, or they lead the NBA in

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Speaker 2: creating turnovers but have the fewest turnovers. They just are really,

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Speaker 2: really efficient. They don't turn it over and they force turnovers.

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Speaker 2: Is there like, I don't think Golden State could beat

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Speaker 2: okay See. I think Golden State would be Houston. I

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Speaker 2: don't do Houston shooting's better today than three months ago.

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Speaker 2: I still don't trust them in a big playoff spot.

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma City to me is they're like Cleveland the last

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Speaker 2: couple years. They're gonna win playoff series. They're just too good.

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Speaker 2: They got too many good players, too good of a coach.

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Speaker 2: Go deep dive on Oklahoma City. And because I look

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Speaker 2: at them and I think they have two or three

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Speaker 2: things that really matter. They're well coached, A dominant score

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Speaker 2: so they know laden games in a playoff game, here's

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Speaker 2: where the ball goes. That is so important. The great

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Speaker 2: teams all have that. Denver had it with Jokic, and generally,

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Speaker 2: like the Spurs, you'll have a second guy in Tony Parker.

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Speaker 2: If Duncan gets doubled, it's great to have too. And

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Speaker 2: if Holme Groun's healthy, I trust him at a big

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Speaker 2: spot hitting a shot. He's a great player. So they

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Speaker 2: have an identifiable star and a co star. They're well coached,

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Speaker 2: they play real defense. They're not they're young, but they're

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Speaker 2: not inexperienced, like these guys have played in big colleges,

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Speaker 2: big big moments. I think they're a Western Conference finals team.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would take the Lakers over them, and

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm being a homer. I would

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Speaker 2: just take Lebron and Luca and the possessions and a

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Speaker 2: half and a game. What do you think their journey

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Speaker 2: looks like in the postseason.

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Speaker 4: So their defense, I'm one hundred percent sold on will

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Speaker 4: perform really well. The only team that I'm worried about

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Speaker 4: them defensively against is the Lakers because Lebron and Luca

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Speaker 4: attacking their smaller perimeter players. The Oklahoma City's defense is

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Speaker 4: Mark Dagenol has built their scheme towards ford aggression and

641
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: passing lanes to try to build to force turnovers. It's

642
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: optimized towards the type of personnel they have. They also

643
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: have rim protection in chet Holmgren, which is a very

644
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: important part of success in the playoffs. And then they

645
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 4: have a couple of different types of defenders that are

646
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: especially valuable. So, for instance, Lou Dort is one of

647
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: the very best guys in the league that you can

648
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: throw against a big star forward, and like, there's just

649
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 4: so many of them in the Western Conference, whether it's

650
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 4: Luca and Lebron, or it's literally Kawhi Leonard, or it's

651
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant or whoever it is your planing, there's all

652
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: these star forwards. He's a great option. Isaiah Hartenstein kind

653
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: of come to the surface as like a guy they

654
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 4: use for the big power players, and he's had a

655
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 4: lot of.

656
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: Sis him defensively, no question.

657
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

658
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 4: His ability to defend in a bunch of different types

659
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 4: of coverages, but specifically to handle the big, strong, bullyball

660
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 4: types of players has been a huge asset to that

661
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: Thunder defense. The only weakness I see in the Thunder

662
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 4: defense is size as an aggregate thing, particularly on the perimeter,

663
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 4: and it manifests in bad defensive rebounding, which has been

664
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: a consistent thing they've struggled with over the years. And

665
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 4: then that's where I can see some vulnerability where it's like, Okay,

666
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 4: you put lou dord on Luca Great, who's guarding Lebron.

667
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 4: There's just nobody else on the roster that can make

668
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 4: Lebron feel really all that uncomfortable. So I think that's

669
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 4: what we're saying. The offensive end is where I see

670
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: some cracks in the armor, in the sense that they

671
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: thrive in transition off the strength of their defense. But

672
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: what happens if there's a team that takes really good

673
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: care of the basketball and controls pace and keeps okay,

674
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 4: see trapped in the half court and it's a big,

675
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: high leverage playoff series where you need j Dubb and

676
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: Chet and dort In these guys to be effective offensively.

677
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: And again, I want to be clear, I'm not trying

678
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: to nitpick here, because we are. I should be clear

679
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 4: we are nitpicking here because this is the one seed

680
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: in the Western Conference. As I agree with you, I

681
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: would be stunned if they didn't make it to the

682
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 4: conference finals. But in the conference finals context, if they

683
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 4: faced a Denver or a Lakers. I think it's at

684
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 4: least worth mentioning that those teams would be dramatically more

685
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 4: experienced and dramatically bigger on the perimeter. Yeah, one last

686
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: thing I'll say about it. They do rely heavily on

687
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 4: Shay Gilders Alexander pull up shooting when things go south

688
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 4: for them offensively in those situations. I like a team

689
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: of a bunch of six' eight sixty nine guys that

690
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: have long arms to, contest and that's something WHERE i

691
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 4: could see that being a valuable of. Value SO i

692
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: think they deserve to be the. Favorite but, Yeah i'm

693
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: with you to where like IF i saw The lakers

694
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 4: in The thunder about to play in A Western conference,

695
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: finals it'd be really hard for me to not pick.

696
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: AWAY i Think Adam silver is a good. COMMISSIONER i

697
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: thought WHEN i had him, ON i thought he overreacted

698
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: a little To Kevin durant to The. Warriors and my take, is,

699
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: Well otani came to The. Dodgers it's been great For,

700
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: otani great for The, dodgers great For, fox great for.

701
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: Baseball people like, trades people like stars and big. Brands, Harbottom, michigan.

702
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: There was no.

703
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: Downside, yeah, Yeah michigan was gonna throttle people and you'd

704
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: have more blowouts than The big. Ten so what and

705
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: so they overreacted and they you, know they've now created

706
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: this environment, where you, know eight. Rooms it's. Hard it's,

707
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: like you can't you'll never duplicate unless you hit on

708
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: every draft pick for four, years you'll never duplicate The

709
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: celtics roster, like it's just you. Can't you can't have

710
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: eight good. Players it doesn't work that. Way and my

711
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: take is people like. Trades they don't mind. Dynasties And

712
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: Kevin durant was bound to not get along With Draymond.

713
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: Green so it wasn't going to be an eight year.

714
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 2: Run it was three. Years they wore each other, out

715
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: it Was shaq And. Kobe it was bound not to work.

716
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: Forever But.

717
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: I've talked about this, before is that there are certain unsolvable.

718
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: Things you can go to a. THERAPIST i can go

719
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: to a. Therapist there's a basic foundational PERSONALITY i have

720
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: based on my childhood that you're not going to. CHANGE

721
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: i can get, better BUT i am WHAT i. Am and,

722
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: saying you, know change is hard when you want help

723
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: and want to change it's impossible if you. Don't so

724
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: we are kind of at our core sort of what we.

725
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: Are AND i think there are certain things you can't

726
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 2: get away from the violence in football OR. Ufc you

727
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: can't get away from the lack of urgency in. Baseball

728
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: AND i don't think you can avoid tanking because and

729
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: the reason being is because in, basketball and this is

730
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 2: not true with other. Sports in, basketball you could identify

731
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: at thirteen years Old Kobe Lebron. Wemby The spurs went

732
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: on a three year mission to Get. Wemby THEY i

733
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: saw that that's that's not the way it works in.

734
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Football Lamar jackson we were arguing after he was, drafted

735
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: can he play? Quarterback you, Know mahomes couldn't win in.

736
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: College Josh allen is overrated and wild in basketball men and.

737
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: Women freshman year in high, school it's defined that player

738
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: is different That yukon girl that dominates sixth grade. Basketball it's, like,

739
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 2: oh that's the best sixth grade basketball player we've ever.

740
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: Seen so and my take is basketball the ability to

741
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: spot transformational talent so. Early it's not a singular year.

742
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: Tank people see. It they don't have to re sign.

743
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: Players they can move off players that THE nba should

744
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 2: just Be, like, listen if if there's a great player

745
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: every year and a different team gets the great, player

746
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: it's unavoidable and it's not terrible for the. League Like

747
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: Cooper flag probably Saves. CHARLOTTE i mean, literally if he goes,

748
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: there it's, like, okay, Now LaMelo Ball Cooper, flag that's a,

749
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: Watch like that's a watch on. Television my take is

750
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: THE nba spent so much time paralyzed by tanking and.

751
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: Trades it's like football. Violence just just do the best you.

752
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: Can you can't avoid.

753
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: It what say? You?

754
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 4: YEAH i LIKE i like that you you say it's

755
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 4: an unavoidable piece of. It i'd say the same thing

756
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: about the super teams and the willingness of players to

757
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 4: try to partner up in a one team becoming so

758
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: powerful that they present a talent mismatch to everyone in.

759
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 4: League to your point About, boston like this is POST

760
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: kd And. Steph it happened, again and you know how it.

761
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: Happened the league at large Undervalued Drew holiday and Chrisops.

762
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: Porzingis and that's not On Brad. Stevens that's Not brad stevens.

763
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: Fault that's the other twenty nine GM's fault that they were,

764
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 4: like Sure brad wants to pay For chris tops let. It, well,

765
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 4: okay well now he's a. Problem that's like now they

766
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 4: have five thirty million dollars. Players AND i also just

767
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 4: generally think, That, LIKE i mean to your point that

768
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: there's there's five six teams this year that have a

769
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: really good chance to, win even With boston being the

770
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: way that they, Are so, LIKE i don't THINK i

771
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 4: think it makes for interesting storylines as far as the

772
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 4: tanking piece. Goes it's even more unavoidable when you factor

773
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: in just basic, stuff which is, like if it's games

774
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 4: sixty five and we don't have a chance to make

775
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 4: it to the, PLAYOFFS i shouldn't be playing my. VETS

776
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 4: i should be playing my young.

777
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: Players.

778
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah so different than if you're, like, hey you know,

779
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 4: WHAT i don't need to See Andy dalton start in week.

780
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: Fifteen i'd rather see my third round picks get a

781
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: chance to go out there and see what he can.

782
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: Do let him get the, reps let him learn how to,

783
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: press and so at a certain, point like even if

784
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: you disincentivized it through the, draft you would never be

785
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 4: able to stop a team from looking at the situation

786
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 4: and going this season's, over we need to give our

787
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 4: young guys the, keys and that's going to lead to

788
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 4: a lesser basketball. PRODUCT i would say that generally, speaking

789
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: the basketball guys will reward the teams and the franchises

790
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: that play serious, basketball meaning like you'll See okac did

791
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 4: this a couple years ago where it's, like, yeah they're

792
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: playing their younger, players they're load Managing, shay but they're

793
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 4: also teaching those kids to play damn good.

794
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: Basket The chicago right now is playing their.

795
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 4: Arsenal, yeah that is a that is a. Foundation What

796
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: chicago is doing right now is a foundational part to

797
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 4: any hope they have of being good in the. Future

798
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: if you practice playing bad, basketball you'll be a bad basketball.

799
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: Team and so the WAY i look at it is,

800
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 4: like to your, point you'll never be able to stop

801
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: tanking because it's it's impossible to stop teams from even

802
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: prioritizing younger players. Minutes but, inevitably organizations behaving like losers

803
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: tend to remain. Losers and organization like here go The kings,

804
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 4: again they had that one, Season but it's like it

805
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 4: turns out that even a really good year From Dearreon

806
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 4: fox and uh and From Malik monk and From Demona.

807
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 4: Sabonis is not enough to overcome, organization no. Incompetence it's,

808
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 4: like at the end of the, day you can't stop

809
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: bad from being, bad so stop trying to legislate it.

810
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: Out if that makes.

811
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: Sense, YEAH i MEAN i look at teams Like utah

812
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: AND i know their record isn't, good BUT i love THEIR.

813
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: GM i think they have an excellent young coach and

814
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: they play, hard and they're just going to get better

815
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: with all those draft. Picks they're probably three years Behind. Oka,

816
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: see so if they Land Cooper, flag AND i think

817
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: they have the best percentage now they're. Tied If utah

818
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: Got Cooper, flag that's a playoff team potentially in the. Year,

819
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: like that's a really good basketball team, obviously If wemby

820
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: got him In San. Antonio but it's LIKE i look

821
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: at it AND i think If washington Got cooper, FLAG

822
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 2: i feel so bad For Cooper. Flag If utah Got Cooper,

823
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: flag to your, Point i'd be like that kid hit

824
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: a home. Run he's going to do really really. Well

825
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: no immediate. Pressure Danny, ainge great young, coach nice little supporting.

826
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: Players they just don't have a guy.

827
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: To love him next To Walker kessler. Too, Yeah Walker

828
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: kessler is really a nice.

829
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: Player in, fact The lakers were interested in him about Trade.

830
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 4: DeLine if they would have got, HIM i would have

831
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 4: been talking very reckless on your.

832
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: Show he's a good. Player the volume