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Speaker 1: hello listeners. If you can hear my voice, you have

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Speaker 1: clicked play on a podcast that is one of the

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Speaker 1: podcast in which gay men talk about straight stuff. Get

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Speaker 1: in here, you begging. I can hear you begging me

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Speaker 1: to interrupt you. You know, actually I wish you wouldn't have,

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Speaker 1: that our podcast listeners click on this podcast have nary

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Speaker 1: Do you feel good about yourself? Now? Yeah? I think

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Speaker 1: I've done what I came here to do. I said

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to George. I'm not asking them I forgive you.

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Speaker 1: you're bio bonded. First, bio bonded. We're not bio bonded.

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Speaker 1: there's always the like bio biohazard. Yeah, that is true,

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Speaker 1: be bio bonded. Well, anyway, regard thank you for having

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Speaker 1: porn performers. No one talks about the graphic designers. Nobody does.

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Speaker 1: Nobody does. Um, so this is your podcast, This is

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Speaker 1: culture by asking a series of rapid fire questions that

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Speaker 1: are framed in kind of an A or B way.

422
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to ask what the thought process behind

423
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: it is, and you're not allowed to question why we're

424
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: asking any of these things. Um So, Sam, do you

425
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: want to go first? Ben Affleck or Affleck duck Ben

426
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: Affleck calling a boat she or calling your mom by

427
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: her first name she on the boat. We made it

428
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: to regionals as a team or I qualified for state

429
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: with my individual time. We made it as a team. Okay,

430
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: A really boring, earnest pre written birthday card from like

431
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: paper what is that store called paper PaperWorks or one

432
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: that's trying to be funny, but it's like that's even sadder.

433
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously when that's trying to be funny, but

434
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: that's even sadder Lewis and Clark or Barnam and Bailey,

435
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 1: Barnum and Bailey. Really small nipples or really large nipples,

436
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: really small, really small Jeff Goldbloom, Yes or no, no,

437
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: thinking you have good taste but actually you don't, or

438
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: having such bad taste that it's kind of like fun

439
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: in a camp way the latter. Okay, incredible job, good job,

440
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: joke did Okay? What did I score? Okay, Well, let's see,

441
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: let's not get ahead of ourselves. Okay, okay, okay, one

442
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: at the time. We have started recently ranking people on

443
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: a scale of one to one thousand dubs. Okay, And

444
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: and I think that was a classic six hundred and

445
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: twenty nine doves. Yeah, wow, that's I'm got a three

446
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: and a half on the Kinsey scale. Oh my god,

447
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: you're so perceptive and realizing that this was all to

448
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: rate you on the Kinsey scale. Not too okay. Have

449
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: you guys seen that movie, the Kinsey movie? Yes? Wait?

450
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: Is it? What's Joan Hall's husband plays Kinzie? Right? Uh,

451
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: rape fines? No, it's um who's the guy from Taken?

452
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: What's his name I'm talking about? Plays his boyfriend? It's

453
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: Limason Peter stars guard and they hook up and it's

454
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: the hottest thing I've seen. That's it's actually very bad

455
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: movie and I rewatched it like a month ago, but

456
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: this scene is still hot. Okay. I mean I feel

457
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: like any movie, any movie where there's gay sex, it's

458
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: hot because it's so it's such it's such a shock,

459
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter. It could be like, it could

460
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: be like the most like a child like, you know,

461
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the most root of mystery. I mean, I don't just

462
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: forget it. Forget about that sentence. I was gonna whatever.

463
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say something horrible. I was going to

464
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: say something actually really keep going, keep going. You were

465
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: going to say, like it can be the most childlike. Yes,

466
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: it could be the most like childish like. Andition now

467
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: of it. But it's so hot because you're just like,

468
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: dear god, I can't believe I'm watching this movie and

469
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: there is this scene in it right now. Do you

470
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: guys remember that time in like two thousand ten ish

471
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: when you were maybe one of the only gay guys

472
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: on earth. Yes, yeah, yeah, I do, very very well.

473
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: That where Colin Firth has sex with Kevin Bacon. Movie

474
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: movie it's called Where the Truth Lies, and it came

475
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: out in two thousand five, and I've seen the sex

476
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: scene on daily motion dot com. That is like such

477
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: a two thousand five movie. Movies and two thousand five

478
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: were called Where the Truth Wise. Yeah, exactly, like that

479
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: movie could only come out in two thousand five. Oh

480
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: my god, I'm trying. I'm running through my brain right

481
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: now trying to think of any notable gay sex scenes

482
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: now from film or even television. It's usually it's usually

483
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: like it usually comes in where you're like they reveal

484
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: the characters gay by doing this gay sex scene where

485
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: like the guys like plowing the painter and the like

486
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: construction at the construction site, or did you see there?

487
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch that movie I Love You Philip Morris.

488
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: I was just about to bring that up. I was

489
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: about to say, oh my god, that's crazy. That is

490
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: it's literally played per lapse, but there's a scene where

491
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: like I can't remember who's topic or who's bottom it,

492
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: but it's like you and McGregor and Jim Carrey and

493
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: one of them is just like pounding the other and

494
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: it's just carry's topping. If I remember, great as it

495
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: should be but it's like there's anything the bottom. They're

496
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, and I remember being like, WHOA did not

497
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: expect this out of this film? Sam. We are really

498
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: circling around it. But we have to tell Joe. In

499
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: our previous episode, you expressed that you were turned on

500
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: by the movie. I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry.

501
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I want it. We

502
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: can't do this again. It makes me laugh car immediately.

503
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: I want to I want to watch I want to

504
00:31:52,920 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: watch Stimulated. Oh my god, I I didn't and it

505
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: was so hot. I was like, I wonder if they

506
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: go the guys pretending to be get and it's Adam

507
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 1: Sandler and Kevin Games. Of course you love that movie.

508
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: That's like the least surprising thing. Of course you think

509
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: that's hot. I'm so not surprised by that at all.

510
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: And I think it's so hypocritical that you all want

511
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: to abolish prisons. Until I'm saying I love Chucking Larry

512
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: and now you want to lock me up and go

513
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: with the key. I think that it's so hypocritical. I mean,

514
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: fair enough that movie. I don't think that movie is hot.

515
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm going to have to agree

516
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: with my friend Joe Castlemaker. I don't think I've never

517
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: actually seen it, but I remember wanting to. You know,

518
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm being like, I want what I think I have

519
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: seen it. Wow, that's like thinking the movie Click with

520
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler is hot. Wait, does he potentially have sex

521
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: with Kevin James? No, But that's how de sexualized that

522
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: movie is. To me, Joe, you don't get it. What's

523
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: hot about it is that he's having sex with Kevin James.

524
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's implied, it's implied, I mean as much as maybe. Yeah,

525
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: I guess. So there should be a sex scene in it.

526
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: I think if there's gonna be a gay anything gay,

527
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: you need to have a sex scene. The thing with

528
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: that pronounce you check in Larry is people said it

529
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: was problematic, but it was, but they said that for

530
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: all the wrong reasons when it actually should be is

531
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: exactly what it is now, but just with a sex scene.

532
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: If they had a sex scene in it, would it

533
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: would be beautiful empowerment. If there was there was like

534
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: one really tender, hot sex scene exactly that lasted maybe

535
00:33:52,880 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: like ten minutes at least. Everything else we're starting, everything

536
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: else was game. All we need to do is do

537
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: some reshoots just like one week, like just one week.

538
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean, listen. Adam Sandler is coming fresh off of

539
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: Uncut Gems. He has a lot of like um goodwill

540
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: right now. Kevin James, I'm sure, starring in upwards of

541
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: fifteen different NBC sitcoms. I think if they just came

542
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: together for one sex scene, it could really unite the left.

543
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: I think also it could open up their careers too

544
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: different things. I think they would really excel at, like

545
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: gay sex scenes like sex. Yeah, wow, they should remain

546
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: Call Me by Your Name starring Adam Sandler and that movie.

547
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: That movie is so hot and I hated that. I

548
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: thought it was hot. I it was the only time

549
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, god, I hate being gay. I

550
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: hate it is that. The thing with that movie is

551
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: that I want to be like whatever, like but I'm

552
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: but I'm literally like, this is the hottest thing I've

553
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: ever seen. It was so fucked up. I felt talk

554
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: about I mean talk about grooming and fucking groomed me

555
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: the same. And I was coerced into being knocked off

556
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: my feet by it. Absolutely disgusting. And I know you

557
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: know that that movie really is your guys, Chuck and

558
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: Larry like I thinking that it's hot, and I like

559
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: literally don't think it's hot. Like do you literally not

560
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: think it's hot? I literally don't think it's hot, like

561
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: I think it's hot, Like they're like elements of it

562
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: that I think you're hot, like, but like there like

563
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: a Timothy shallow May type is not hot to me. Yeah,

564
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: he's like Kevin James to you. No, I think it's

565
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: not that I'm not attracted to Kevin two people that

566
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: look like Kevin. For the record, I'm not attracted to Kevin.

567
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: JA was an exclusive. George attracted to Kevin James, but

568
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: I easily attracted a hotter version of Kevin James equally.

569
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't. It's not like Timothy Chalomie's my type. It's

570
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: just it's a hotter movie than now. Now pronounce your checking, Larry. Yeah,

571
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: it is because they fucked. Yea, they fuck, so they

572
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: don't they don't and you know what, and you know,

573
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: and you know that they tried to be like coy

574
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: about it, and they were like, yeah, we just felt

575
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: like that was you know, the natural um way that

576
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: scene was going. And then it literally came out that

577
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: they just had contracts that like prevented them from having

578
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: gay sex. So stupid. If you're not having fully penetrative

579
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: gay sex where it turns out into one of those

580
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: porns that make us feel grossed out, then that's not

581
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: a movie I want to watch. I want to see

582
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: I want to see you know, Rosebud. I like, Okay,

583
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: what's about that movie? Is like that how swim trunks trick?

584
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: It is? It really points out like swim trunks as

585
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: like a fetish item. I can really agree with that.

586
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, it does. It does a lot for

587
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: like the baggy neond colored yea swim trunk. Yeah. Um,

588
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: should we introduce our topic? I think yeah, we're what

589
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: fifty minutes in? Okay, so our topic, Joe, maybe you

590
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: should talk about where you came from, how you found

591
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: this topic. So our topic is, uh, computer video games

592
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: online video games on the computer, which I think is

593
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: one of the hallmarks of a straight person. Are a

594
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: certain kind of straight person. It's definitely one of the

595
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: straightest things you could do. I think I play play

596
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: computer video games like World of Warcraft or like counter Strike.

597
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: So they just ask you something before we get into this,

598
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: h do you play either of those games. I don't

599
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: I do, I do. I mean I don't play I

600
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: don't play counter Strike, but I play I used to

601
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: play World of Warcraft. Joe, you have quite a history

602
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: of World of Warcraft. Is that correct? I do, Yeah,

603
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: I really do. It's so weird, Okay, talk about speak

604
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: to that a little. I mean I just loved it

605
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: was so fun and it was like so wrong. I mean,

606
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: like it is. I it is the strangest like environment.

607
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: It is a like a full on society of only men.

608
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: It's all. I mean, like there might be some every

609
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: once in a while a woman, but like if you

610
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: hear a woman's voice in the game, people like freak

611
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: out there, like hold on curl, like literally like frothing

612
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: at the mouth because they hear a woman's voice. Or

613
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: even worse, they'll be like they'll be like like really

614
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: weirdly nice to the women that they hear in the game,

615
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: or like like overly just like you hear each other's voices,

616
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean you can or you can just like type

617
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: to each other. Mostly it's just just like text communication,

618
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: so like right, you'll never know. But then but then

619
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: sometimes you do talk about like like if you're just

620
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: because there's in the game, there's a lot of like

621
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: dead time where you're just like doing nothing, and so

622
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: you get to talking a lot, and sometimes people, you know,

623
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: talk about real life things and the things people believe

624
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: that play World of Warcraft. I'm just like, dear God,

625
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: I am looking forward to extinction because of what these

626
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: people believe. So World of Warcraft? Where did you ever

627
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: play it when you were like closeted? Yeah? Yeah? And

628
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: is it one of those games where you like yell

629
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: at other kids or whatever, Like is it like like

630
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: so you were like call anyone a fag or something. No,

631
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean probably like texting, but like there's like in

632
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: in in in World of Warcraft. Like what I like

633
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: to do it was like a player versus player, which

634
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: is like usually it's like known for the big rays

635
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: of like forty people at once and they're like trying

636
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: to defeat the big dragon or something. But what I

637
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: did was like you would be paired with like a

638
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: stranger and you would be like on a team like

639
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: two verses to like, and so you'd have to be

640
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: communicating over voice with this stranger, which was like the

641
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: very like a very weird because I didn't want to

642
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: sound gay. So I would be like, well, well, I

643
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: don't even know what I did with my voice to

644
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: sound straight to the stranger who I felt compelled to

645
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: like impress and how were you? I mean, god, I

646
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: don't know, like fifteen maybe like something like that. Fourteen.

647
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: But like all of the video all computer video games

648
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: have that kind of like weird straight boy environment of

649
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: like in cells, like weird in cell straight guys. That's

650
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: what That's how I feel. And I'm like, do you

651
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: know how Sometimes I'm not saying I'm going to become

652
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: an insult, but here's what I will say. I'm like

653
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: very easily convinced of things if someone like sounds smart.

654
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm like, what if I enter a sub

655
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: community and then I'm suddenly believe in um, you know, uh,

656
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: what's the thing trail? Chem trails? Chem trails? Yeah, I

657
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: for a minute I believed in chem trails, Okay, because

658
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: I just was. I don't know, I just did. I

659
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that sounds good, Yeah it seems right.

660
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean, what else is there sounds well? The thing

661
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: is the thing with all those conspiracy theories is like

662
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: there is a superstructure, like there is an elite that's

663
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: controlling everything. Yes, you know what I mean. So it's

664
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: like it kind of sucks that you that. Like, then

665
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: I want to know what the real elite is, and

666
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: I want to know what the real conspiration is, I

667
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: mean beyond it, like why that conspiracy needed to be created?

668
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, like everyone who's like looking for answers

669
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: suddenly believes like the Illuminati or chem shows. But it's like, no,

670
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: let's look into like Epstein. Yeah yeah, this is truly

671
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: has podcast once, Like, I can't believe talking conspiracy theories

672
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: a happy stopping right right right, this is I'm going

673
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: to cut all of this out. I actually don't believe

674
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: in conspiracy. I think we live in a complete meritocracy.

675
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: I can't believe the thing in where I say I

676
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: believe chem trails sound good though you have to leave

677
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: that if you can. Um So, so you became an

678
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: intel while playing World of Warcraft. I mean I definitely

679
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: thought I was. I wasn't. I didn't think I was

680
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: like an in cell. But there's definitely like this kind

681
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: of like sublimated sexual kind of thing about all of

682
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: like computer video games, because you get to be like

683
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: completely anonymous. You get to like say, whatever the fun

684
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: you want, and like I would like have cybersex with

685
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: guys in like the Diablo two universe whoa, Like we

686
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: would just I don't even know, we would just start

687
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: talking and then like we would chat and it would

688
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: be like us like idle like idle characters in the

689
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: like town Square, like whispering to each other some stupid

690
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean that's my Chuck and Larry.

691
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: It is hotter. I mean yeah, it definitely was, like

692
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: because it was so organic feeling right, like it just

693
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. That's like it was literally like

694
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: my straight like straight guys around me. That only happened

695
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: once though, so that wasn't the norm to b h all,

696
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: this sounds very gay to me, like everything like the anonymity,

697
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: the hiding, the you know, interesting World of Warcraft more

698
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: like World of Wonder. I guess we are all the same.

699
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I was really into

700
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: not PC gaming, but like like Halo and Gears of

701
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: War like that stuff was very straight. Well I liked

702
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: the sims. I mean I like, yeah, I agree, yeah,

703
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: yeah it's gay and no one's an in cell in it,

704
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: So maybe I did something they all do the woo

705
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: they all woo who each other, They all will who

706
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: each other and you can even have it's too Yeah,

707
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna have two sists men having sex, they have

708
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: a baby. No, that's true because the stork comes no

709
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: matter why that is cut crazy? I know. You know

710
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: the liberals have gone too far. I know. And they

711
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: can't do that. You have you have everyone's a warlock

712
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: and an elf, but they can't have mate, they can't

713
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: have gay sext I think that would be really interesting

714
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: if World of Warcraft, if you could woo who in

715
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: World of Warcraft? We signed my to shouldn't the Warcraft?

716
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: We need to adding to World war craps and we

717
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: need to add going to Chuck and Larry Larry, do

718
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: you know how people will talk about gaming and like

719
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: a very I understand that gaming isn't you know, video

720
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: games are art, and I understand why there's video game criticism,

721
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: But like what if I wrote like a very serious

722
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: thing for like taku and it was like what we

723
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: talk about when we talk about woo hooing in World

724
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: of Warcraft? Honestly, they would they would publish that in

725
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: a second. They would in a second they are like,

726
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: there are people who have I swear to God, there

727
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: are people who make like thousand dollars a year working

728
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: at like Google or something, who are dying to elevate

729
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: their like the things that they spend all day doing.

730
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: And if you can talk about video games as if

731
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: it's like a higher art, they will pay you gobs

732
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: of money to do it. I will, literally, I will do.

733
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: I'll say anything about video games for money. Are I'll

734
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: say it's gay, I'll say it's social justice. Please hire

735
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: me to write about video games. So Joe, now you're

736
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: are you? Are you back in the world of Warcraft? World?

737
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: I did? I did recently just because we've been We've

738
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: had so much time and I was really bored. But

739
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not the same. It doesn't hit the same

740
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: like I did before, just because I, like, I don't

741
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: have that time. I mean, even with like endless time

742
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: that I have, now, I don't have that time. You

743
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: need to like truly dissolve the rest of your life

744
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: in order to like commit in the way that like

745
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: is expected of you. And it's just so it is

746
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: really sad, but I think it's really like people. It's

747
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: like you there's so many incentives to like do that

748
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: and like to keep increasing the commitment. Um. You know

749
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 1: what is is um the fact that other people treat

750
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: essentially have that exact same thing, but with like Twitter,

751
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: like it's literally a video game that they log into

752
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: every day and then have like fake conversations with fake people.

753
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: Something I can't relate to my Twitter. It's all authentic,

754
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: just just truth, and I do it because I like it.

755
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: I've spent yeah, I've actually spent a lot of time

756
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: on Twitter. It is It's so sad. It is literally similar,

757
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: like there's no difference. I mean, I do think the

758
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: world of warcraft is better. I do think if you

759
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: are anonymous on Twitter, there's a lot less at steak

760
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: because you can just like do whatever the hell you want.

761
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: But because there's like your name attached to what you're saying,

762
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: there's like this sense of like higher stakes than there

763
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: should be. So, Joe, you have an anonymous profile? Do you?

764
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: Is am I allowed to bring it up? Yeah? I

765
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: actually I think I like sience some interview recently that

766
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: that account was mine that like that Jesse ran as

767
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: my account is? Um is that your new world of warcraft?

768
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: Is this your new for the last like three years,

769
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean for the last three years. It is truly,

770
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: it's been such a relief to have something that I

771
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: could just like say something like so fucking dumb. It

772
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: sends me My sisters loved Jesseriana and sends me her

773
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: tweets all the time. It's like one of it's like

774
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: one of those things. I look at them and I

775
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: laugh at them, which is like so like you know,

776
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: American psycho of me to do, but like they truly

777
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: do come from this sense, like a place in me

778
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: that is so like not pre like thought out that

779
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: it's like constantly surprising, which shows because some of them

780
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: are really really not funny or like or interesting. It's

781
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: just like a word or a letter or something. But wait,

782
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: the one the other day that was like I'm inconsiderate

783
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: and I whatever, but I want to be famous. Wait

784
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: fun what yea? She always apology, She apologizes a lot,

785
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: but then like something really horrible afterwards. I like jesse

786
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: Rihanna because I do feel like like I can see

787
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: that it is you, And sometimes it's like this could

788
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: have been a normal Joe tweet. Like I've like it's

789
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: like I can't like I can't tweet as myself anymore

790
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: because I like want to just tweet as her because

791
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: I can't. Like, I found everyone hates me. I don't understand. Yes,

792
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm corral, manipulative and incapable of expressing gratitude, but I'm

793
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: trying to be famous. What the fuck the steering takedown?

794
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: If everyone community, I mean, well myself included, and there's

795
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: the there's the humility right there to be able to

796
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: laugh at yourself, you have to laugh. Sorry, But then

797
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: sometimes it's literally just I got into Harvard Law School,

798
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: which is almost more funny than the actual like joke ones.

799
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: Well then, because what I do is I find tweets

800
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: that are like that have like sixteen thousand retweets, and

801
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: I'll just copy and then paste it has my own

802
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: and I found somebody that wrote I got into Harvard

803
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: Law School and had like twenty three three tweets, so

804
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: I just sent it for fun. It's so pathetic. I'm

805
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: actually I probably shouldn't have admitted I feel like so

806
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: it is like so weird, it is so some of

807
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: the things I say are so like gross and disgusting,

808
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: but it is very very it is extremely satisfying. It's

809
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: very The only like comedy that is worth doing is

810
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: anonymous Twitter characters. It definitely like scratches an itch. I

811
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: don't know, but it doesn't. Do you remember those older

812
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: ones that are that were like Guy in Your n

813
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: f A or like dystopian young adult novel. Oh, those

814
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: were like such a thing like Ship My dad says,

815
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: remember that. I feel like, yeah, oh my god, Ship

816
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: blank says, what a moment. Thank God that's over. Remember

817
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: just Ship White Girls saying it was like a blind

818
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: and people will be like, this is brilliant, insane, this

819
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 1: is and then like the people that did that got

820
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: like a multimillion dollar book deal. Yeah, they're now all

821
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: co presidents of HBO. That's the panel of people I was. Yeah, no,

822
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: it is true if you got in at the right time.

823
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: I mean I literally I think the girl who wrote

824
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: Guy in Your m f A literally like wrote a

825
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: book that was like a huge bestseller and it was

826
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: literally like infinite justice for boys. God bless God, bless

827
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: everyone everyone that's putting themselves out there and trying. I

828
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: think there's I think God should bless everyone. Don't pick

829
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: and choose God pick everyone, God God, God would just

830
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: bless everyone. She's serious. God. Right. Secondly, a great like that.

831
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: That's what I say. It's just like the like the

832
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: main character is like a little girl and it starts

833
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: or ends with her praying, but she's always like God. Yeah,

834
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: and then God's like an actual character in it, that

835
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: is Joan of Arcadia. That is literally talking about Joan

836
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: of Arcadia yesterday. I that's the fact that you would

837
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: potentially talking about that yesterday and then again today. Wait,

838
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: Joe froze for me. Joe, it's a God did it?

839
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: Now we're back, We're back in the saddle. Wow. Well,

840
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: let's be honest about what just happened. Yeah, Like, we

841
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: can't hide that for sure. Just as I said, will

842
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned Joan of Arcadia? And then I said, and

843
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: this is true. I was literally talking about Joan of

844
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: Arcadia yesterday, and I made lib comment about how it's

845
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: crazy that you mentioned it yesterday and then it came

846
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: up again today and I were by that. Yeah. I

847
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: was so upset by his howlb that comment was that

848
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: I I had to turn off the internet connection, exit

849
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: the call exit, just stopped recording for a second and

850
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: kind of step back. I agreed to come back on

851
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: the condition that comments like that don't happen again. Yeah,

852
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: and you know what, I said what I said, and

853
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: I said my piece, and um, there's just no other thing.

854
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: There's nothing more to say. And I don't want to

855
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: rehash it right now. I mean, I personally, I've always

856
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: had trouble. I get that note a lot, that my

857
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: glibness is just a two glib and so I'm definitely

858
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: trying to do better and I'm like trying to be

859
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: more aware of it. And I'm really sorry that my

860
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: glibness hurt you, truly. I appreciate that. I you know,

861
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: I thought that. I thought that apology just now. If

862
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: I could, I would kind of I would critique it.

863
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: There are a few things you could do differently, but

864
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: I'll accept it for now. Okay, we have to move forward.

865
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: Let's move forward. Let's move forward forward. I'm all about

866
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: forward momentum nowadays, So yes, let's do that. And and

867
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: and you know, apologies can be good and they can

868
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: be bad. Mm hmm. Yeah. And that's that's the long

869
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: and short of it. And that's it. That's it, and

870
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: that's it. Why were we talking about Joan of Arcadia

871
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: because she talks to God that's why she talks to God.

872
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: We were talking about because but then before that, we

873
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: were talking king about the sitcom, which I think is

874
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: a brilliant idea to write that down. No, I agree,

875
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm writing it down. I've already pitched it. And the girl,

876
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: the girl is going, who God, come on and got

877
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: in the backyard. You know, God is literally godfriended me? Yeah,

878
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean that is God friend of me. That's Facebook.

879
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: It's just like ours will be different because it's not Facebook. Wait,

880
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: is God friend of me literally Facebook? Yeah? He taught

881
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: friend of God friend of me is if Joan of Arcadia,

882
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: which I think is brilliant. If Joan of Arcadia took

883
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: place on Facebook, that's God friend in me. Okay, well,

884
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: then ours for blessed, thank you from God, to from

885
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: our mouth to your ears from God. I think it's

886
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: a great idea. So gaming, I'm playing God exactly like

887
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: playing God. I actually think, Sorry, go ahead, well I

888
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I'm fully, at this point in my

889
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: life a fake gamer girl. All I do or play

890
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: the games meant for little babies, and I still call

891
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: myself a gamer. You are a gamer, that's the thing.

892
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: It's not some kind of like holy like you know

893
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: tier like god tier thing that you can only like

894
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: the gatekeeper to being a gamer is like some nerd

895
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: who thinks that you're only a gamer if you spend

896
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: seventy hours a week like I don't know, reading forums

897
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: to get better at getting head strikes and headshots in

898
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: Fortnite or something. Yeah, that's not me. That's I play

899
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: Super Smash prows M seventy hours a week. And yeah,

900
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: and I recently started doing the New York Times cross word,

901
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: which is do you think I wish that gaming was

902
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: actually interesting? You know what I mean? Like I feel

903
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: like whenever I think about it, it's not even like

904
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: it's not even something I can talk about where I'm

905
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: like there's anything. It just always feels like I'm trying

906
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: to tell people some story of something that they weren't

907
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: included in, and it's just like they're just like, oh, yeah, okay, right,

908
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: it's trying to like explain a dream and it's like

909
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: it's like and it just it's just lacking. I don't know,

910
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: you know what else. It's like it's like trying to

911
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,479
Speaker 1: explain Twitter to people who are not on Twitter. Yes,

912
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: darkest thing you can do there's no way you can

913
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: explain it. Yeah. It just makes you feel so bad

914
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: about yourself because in the middle of telling a story,

915
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, no, I cared about this. I feel like, um, cherry,

916
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: I feel like to button up the video games conversation.

917
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: I would love to hear like a breakdown of like

918
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: your general character that you create wherever in whatever game

919
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: you're playing, and name them. I would love that. Okay,

920
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: so the recent character. Okay. In World of Warcraft, I'm

921
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 1: always a ler, always always a healer, just because they're rare.

922
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: It's a little queer, you know, a comedians healers. We

923
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: are healers. And my character was a shot a shaman

924
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: healer and her name was lesbianica Um and I did

925
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: get like nobody commented on it, like very rarely anybody

926
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: would say anything. And then this one time someone did.

927
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: I was like in a party with somebody like doing

928
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: a dungeon and they messaged me after we were all

929
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: done and they were like, hey, if if your name

930
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: is real. Um, I don't know if it's not or not,

931
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: but I'm a member of the largest LGBT guild in

932
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: all of Old the Warcraft, and I don't know if

933
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: your name is real or not, but like, I see

934
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: you don't have a guild and like if you want

935
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: to join, like it's fine, And I was like, oh, yeah,

936
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: I am gay, Like yeah, thanks, I am. I mean

937
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a lesbian, but I'm gay. And then she

938
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: was like, cool, well, our guilt name is called taint

939
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: or something like. It was some like a dumb name

940
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: like the Taste of Taint or some stupid like video

941
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: game joke. I never Taste of paint a video game joke.

942
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was something like stupid, like like

943
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: only people that play World of Warcraft for eighty hours

944
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: a week would be like that is funny. Okay, okay,

945
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: because it wasn't funny. I mean, Taste of Taint's funny.

946
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm giving them more credit than it's something that we're

947
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: taint was in it that it was just you know, dumb.

948
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: But I never joined. And then the thing with that's

949
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: the thing with any kind of no go go No,

950
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I forgot that's the thing with any like

951
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: it's the thing with any subculture where like I think

952
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: that's so stupid. And then if we were to tell

953
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: people like the things we think are important in Brooklyn comedy,

954
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: they'd be like literally kill yourself, I know, like just

955
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: to describe, like, yeah, well, first you go to open

956
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: mics and that's where you like work on jokes, and

957
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: then so you can get booked on a show, and

958
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: then people like oh at a theater and you're like

959
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: at a bar, and then like yeah, like how is

960
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: that less embarrassing than taste of taints? You can make

961
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: bucks and get a couple of free drinks. I got

962
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: a couple of free drinks. Yeah. Like the only connection

963
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: that I could possibly like extract from my interest in

964
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: video games and like what I do now would be

965
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 1: like streaming on Twitch, I guess, But like I don't

966
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: think I would be a compelling person to watch because

967
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm not like some kind of like I feel like

968
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: if you if you behave, like Johnny Knoxville, then you

969
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: are like beloved. You're just like a god in the

970
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: eyes of Like if you play video games and you

971
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: are like have you know, have swag or swagger. I

972
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm even saying now, but like,

973
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you behave in that way, you will

974
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: make tens of thousands of dollars a day. I want

975
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: to do that. I know, yeah, I want to do that. Okay, Okay,

976
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm gay. I can't do that. I know, gay people,

977
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,959
Speaker 1: it's so hard to make money if you're gay. There's

978
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: no unless you're so fucking evil, I know what I mean,

979
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: unless you're so evil. If you are gay and want

980
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: to make money, you have to be so you have

981
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: to be so evil. I mean, if you're a good

982
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: gay person, you're not going to make money. No. I

983
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's kind of true for straight

984
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: people too. I don't know. I feel like you can

985
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: be a good straight person, and you can be a

986
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: good straight person to make name. Okay, I'm wrong, you can.

987
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: You can't be a teacher, you're gay. You can't be

988
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: a you could be like, um, you could be like

989
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: a firefighter, like, oh my god, Oh should we like

990
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: do our final seg? I think so yeah, because I'm

991
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm truly like making less and less sense. Okay, so Joe,

992
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: our final seg. It's called shoutouts. We playmage pay homage

993
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: to um. Of course, the ancient street tradition of a

994
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: shout out. UM, let me shout out something we like,

995
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: and you bring the heat, bring the energy. Imagine it's

996
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: two thousand two. You're in Times Square at TRL, the

997
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: cameras on you, and you're shouting out to everybody back home. UM,

998
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: I actually think I have one George, so I can go.

999
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: You should go first, Okay, what's up, listeners? UM, I

1000
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: just want to give a quick shout out to Ursula

1001
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: kay La Gwin. You wrote a book a long, long

1002
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: time ago that I started a long time ago, roughly

1003
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: six months, and I am still reading this book. It

1004
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: is the Left Hand of Darkness, and it is slow.

1005
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a boring, slow read. I'm not good

1006
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: at books that are, I don't know, not funny. I

1007
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I have the brain of a someone who

1008
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: reads Twitter. Sue me. I don't care. I'm reading your book.

1009
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: It's long, and it's funny. The aliens they don't have

1010
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: a gender, kind of makes you think. Also, it's funny

1011
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: when they get horny they call it kimmer. And now

1012
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: I think I would love to have some sort of

1013
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: niche joke right now about being like, oh, I'm so

1014
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: in kimmer, but but I don't have that. So I'm

1015
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: just shouting to the gods. Ersua Kyla Gwin. Keep up

1016
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: the good work, even from the grave. XO xo Sam

1017
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: Wow whoa wait said Left Hand of Darkness? Okay, okay, wait,

1018
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: I I can go next. Okay, um, what's up, listeners?

1019
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shadow to my friend

1020
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 1: Sam Taggert, who will will finish the book Left Hand

1021
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: of Darkness by Ursula cala Gran if it's the last

1022
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: thing he does. I believe in him. I think he

1023
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: can read, and I think that not only will he

1024
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: finish it, but he will take all the really good

1025
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: jokes about it that he just said, even off the cuff,

1026
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: like about the horny nous, and and make it into

1027
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: some kind of maybe shouts and murmurs piece or even

1028
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: a full on feature adaptation of the book. And I

1029
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: actually think this will be not the end, but the

1030
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: beginning of something when you finish this book. And that's

1031
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: why I would like to give a shout out to

1032
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: my friend Sam tagger That was really good. That was

1033
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: really good? All right? I think I think I have one. Okay,

1034
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: go for it. I like Daydre. I've like had nightmares

1035
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 1: about this moment. I've I've this is so straight to do, um,

1036
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: but I'll do it. Um, hey, guys, I just want

1037
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: to give a quick shout out to my twin sister

1038
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: Roxy Roxy watching this. I love you Roxy. Also, I

1039
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: just wanted to say she's having a really rough time

1040
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: at work because all the coworkers just got fired because

1041
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: of the virus thing that's happening. And I wanted to

1042
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: let her know that I love her and that she's

1043
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: somebody I'm very proud of and that hopefully one day

1044
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: I showed him into our parents have reguss with politics

1045
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: by So that was really good. That was like, you

1046
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: really captured the spirit of a shout out in a

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Speaker 1: way that I don't think us or any of our

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Speaker 1: guests ever have before. I think I just have the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I mean we can email email, let's bring it over there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're a in right I am, And Roxy is yours?

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Speaker 1: That's real. That was from the heart. I could feel.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know her name was Roxy. Roxy is such

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Speaker 1: a like classic name. It's such a cool name. And

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe, you know, Joe and Roxy Joe is good,

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Speaker 1: I think though, And I'm glad you don't go by

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Speaker 1: any other version of it. Well, I also feel like

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Speaker 1: your last name is so fun, like Joe Castle Baker

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Speaker 1: that like having it be like Joe is like like

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Speaker 1: it's nice that It's like it's like, you know, the

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Speaker 1: the rice with the spiciness on top, like you know,

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Speaker 1: like that's a good point. It's like the it's like

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Speaker 1: the carbon. Then you know. The last name is kind

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Speaker 1: of the season ning. Yeah. I feel like there was

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Speaker 1: some there was some Mary Kate and Nashley movie where

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Speaker 1: one of them was named Roxy, and I remember being like,

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Speaker 1: that's allowed. I know that name is like really inflammatory,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I feel inflamed. Wow. Um

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Speaker 1: like those holes just like those holes, just like them,

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Speaker 1: we've wandered into that section. I don't mean well, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to tie it all back now pronounced you

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Speaker 1: chuck in lear Um. If anyone has footage of maybe

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Speaker 1: some sort of deleted scene where they attempt to have

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Speaker 1: sex for to move the plot forward, please send it

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Speaker 1: to me. I'll like that. It would be to move

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Speaker 1: the plot forward, it would have to obviously care about

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Speaker 1: the plot. Um. Now you're coming at this from a

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Speaker 1: writer's perspective. Always, I can't take that writer's cap off. Joe.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing pleasure. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. This is great. It's a lot of fun,

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Speaker 1: very fun. Bye okay and the undo in the et out,

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Speaker 1: in the end, the end of the in the air