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Speaker 1: That better be a public's promise for you. As we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big Royce Lewis guy. I starting to

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Speaker 1: Good give us your next guy.

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Speaker 1: He's worth mentioning for a team that needs a little

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Speaker 1: bit more swing and miss out of its lefty relievers,

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Speaker 1: out of its high leverage relievers compared to what we

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Speaker 1: saw this past season. So the Phillies have a high

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Speaker 1: pay roll, but I don't think they can bring everybody

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty three. So being able to bring

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Speaker 1: him back, I think that just marginally raises the floor

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Speaker 1: for this moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so my next guy's actually a left fielder Yankee

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Speaker 3: Dodger this year, Joey Gallo. So he wasn't. He was

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Speaker 3: a less than one point zero war player just after

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, hitting thirty eight bombs in twenty

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Speaker 3: seventeen hitting forty one of those. I really don't think

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Speaker 3: he'll get to those numbers in Miami. He definitely is

448
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Speaker 3: a thirty homer guy, but he has that potential at least.

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Speaker 3: But you know, this guy's a two time All Star,

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Speaker 3: he's a Gold Glover, So you know, you could definitely

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Speaker 3: have some You can rely on his glove a little

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Speaker 3: bit there. Nice defense in the corner spots, and I've

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Speaker 3: been playing in Miami, definitely would be a benefit because

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Speaker 3: you're playing in these huge markets in New York and LA.

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Speaker 3: And you just saw how that ending in New York

456
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Speaker 3: kind of went for him. It just wasn't the greatest

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Speaker 3: you guys read the article just kind of sucked for

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Speaker 3: him overall. I know the philosophy. I guess that they're

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Speaker 3: gonna go with the won't fit what Gallo is, which

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Speaker 3: is contact hitters. I could hit and lone deepot park,

461
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Speaker 3: but Gallo is a It was a pretty damn good player.

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Speaker 3: And if you need someone in left field that you

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Speaker 3: were confident without defense, Gallo would be the guy. Just

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Speaker 3: assuming Solari does transition himself to an every adh And yeah,

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Speaker 3: the strike numbers are very very high. The percentages, but

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Speaker 3: his walk percentage is actually pretty high as well. You're

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Speaker 3: looking to give this guy a pretty cheap deal. Three

468
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Speaker 3: mili five mil. You know, the worst case would be

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Speaker 3: overpaying a little bit for him. This would be a

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Speaker 3: pretty nice option.

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Speaker 2: He'll probably be the richest one ninety nine hitter in

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Speaker 2: baseball history, that's for sure. I mean Gallo is Yeah,

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Speaker 2: like defense wasn't the biggest problem for the Marlins, I think,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not sure where they off the top of

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Speaker 2: my head where they rank a defensive efficiency. But Gallo, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a marquee defender wherever you put him in the outfield.

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Speaker 2: Actually belief you won a Gold Glove in right field

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Speaker 2: for the Rangers or a couple of years ago like

479
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Speaker 2: he or last year. I mean, he is just you know,

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Speaker 2: he is that kind of defender. He's an excellent glove.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: About the strikeouts, though, it's just like you know, some

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Speaker 2: team you can accept, like the season that's say, like

484
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Speaker 2: Kyle schober had, that's the that's like a slightly lesser

485
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Speaker 2: but if you really look at the season he had

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Speaker 2: relative to Gallo last year, not that far off comp

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Speaker 2: Although Schoorbert doesn't give you the defense but you can

488
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Speaker 2: live with the two hundred strikeouts given the fact that

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Speaker 2: he was flirting with fifty homers at the end of

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Speaker 2: the season. Yeah, he's just like a major like like

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Speaker 2: like it's there's a there's a slightly memmic nature to

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Speaker 2: watching the Marlins given their shortcomings performatively, whether that's offensively

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Speaker 2: or just as a whole, Gallo would fester a lot

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Speaker 2: of Twitter hate. And you know, for a guy who

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Speaker 2: was unfairly treated in New York given his performance there,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean like he like again like

497
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Speaker 2: that the upside is the power, and the power is

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Speaker 2: something that that is something that is plaguing the Marlins.

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Speaker 2: I mean there is like a drought in that in

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Speaker 2: that lineup for consistent thirty home power, and the two

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Speaker 2: guys that you could kind of count on to do it,

502
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Speaker 2: Garcia and Solaer weren't on the field enough to really

503
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Speaker 2: provide that. But who knows if you're gonna get forty

504
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Speaker 2: homer power at a gallo the way that he's done it,

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Speaker 2: you know, three times in his career prior. And if

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Speaker 2: you do, you know, you're gonna get a hell of

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Speaker 2: a lot of strikeouts. But again, you'll get the walks,

508
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Speaker 2: or at least a somewhat decent amount of them with

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Speaker 2: the good defense. And that kind of gets me to

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Speaker 2: another outfielder that I wanted to explore, Kevin. So I

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Speaker 2: liked your the segue. And you know, I talked a

512
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Speaker 2: lot about earlier Bran about with guys who I think

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Speaker 2: would benefit the Marlins in their ability or I guess

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Speaker 2: proceed inability to draw walks. And that's a guy who

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Speaker 2: actually just was in the Nationals this year. And that's

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Speaker 2: Robbie Grossman. Again, not the sexiest name, but I honestly think,

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Speaker 2: as strange as the sounds, maybe a paper bet than Gallo.

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Speaker 2: And that's because he walks, but he doesn't strike out

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Speaker 2: with the prolificacy that a gallow does. So I want

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Speaker 2: to give you a stat since from twenty sixteen to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, Robbie Grossman had a three fifty nine

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Speaker 2: on base percentage. He walked to ten point six percent

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Speaker 2: of his plate appearances, one of the positives in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: That's why he had some traig value and went over

525
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Speaker 2: Atlanta where he could, where he struggled at first, but

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Speaker 2: he found his way there. He did what he does

527
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Speaker 2: best draws, walks, hits for a little bit of power.

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Speaker 2: You feel confident that he'll at least do some things right.

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Speaker 2: He'll get on base for you.

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Speaker 4: Robbie's been a huge addition, and he's produced big hits.

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Speaker 4: Can play both corner spots, can dh switch hits, and

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Speaker 4: he drives this one to left Schwarber near the line

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Speaker 4: and in the corner he'll make the catch and the

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Speaker 4: Braves break the shut out. Bit a sack fly for

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Speaker 4: Robbie Grossman brings home Eddie Rosario.

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Speaker 3: Does the increased strike on Humber or percentages in any

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Speaker 3: way concern you, because twenty twenty you could consider that

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Speaker 3: season fake. But you know, nineteen percent then twenty twenty one,

539
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Speaker 3: twenty three percent now at twenty twenty two. But I

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Speaker 3: mean the walk rate just stays consistent Lewis, So I mean,

541
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Speaker 3: does I would say, does the strike up percentage anyway?

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Speaker 3: You know, the increase of it concerning anyway?

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Speaker 2: But or no, no, because remember what we said about

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Speaker 2: Brandon Belt. This is a short term commitment. This is

545
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Speaker 2: a guy who is in his thirties, more familiar with

546
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Speaker 2: his thirties than he is his teens. At this point,

547
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Speaker 2: he's been a productive player, though, I think you can

548
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Speaker 2: live with the strikeout. I mean, he doesn't hit for

549
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Speaker 2: the power to offset say gallow esque strikeout numbers. But

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Speaker 2: for a guy who in a part time role could

551
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Speaker 2: walk fifty sixty times for you on a one year

552
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Speaker 2: deal as a fourth outfielder, for a team whose questions

553
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Speaker 2: in the outfield are wonder of its biggest crutches, I

554
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Speaker 2: think he provides some stimility. I mean, and let's not

555
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Speaker 2: forget he's one year removed from a twenty three homer

556
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Speaker 2: season in Detroit. Like Detroit, like Detroit is not a

557
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: hitter friendly ballpark historically when you look at the like

558
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Speaker 2: Miguelbert would have hit six hundred home runs. He was

559
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Speaker 2: also twenty twenty that year, So he's you know, that's

560
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: an element to his game that could play up more

561
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Speaker 2: again as we get these looser rules when it comes

562
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Speaker 2: to time in between pitches and number of pickoff moves

563
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Speaker 2: per plate appearance. So there's a lot to like, and

564
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Speaker 2: I think there's more like than there isn't. He's a,

565
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Speaker 2: like I said, he's a productive big leaguer. He's not

566
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Speaker 2: a star. But again, you could do a lot worse,

567
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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't and he's not a guy that you're

568
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Speaker 2: expecting to play one hundred and fifty games. At this point,

569
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Speaker 2: I think he should accept the fact that he is

570
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Speaker 2: a role player, and he kind of took to that

571
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Speaker 2: in Atlanta a little bit, although the numbers wouldn't reflect

572
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Speaker 2: him being incredible. But he's useful, and I think that's

573
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Speaker 2: the best adjective I can use it.

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Speaker 1: It's just I don't think anybody may have known this

575
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Speaker 1: off the top of their head that he led the

576
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Speaker 1: Tigers last year in twenty twenty one in both homers

577
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Speaker 1: and steels. He led the whole team and both of

578
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Speaker 1: those Robbie Grossman, who you don't even think about as regular,

579
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Speaker 1: but he was regular for that team considering what they

580
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Speaker 1: had around him. It is a very interesting name for

581
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Speaker 1: a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The only reason why, I mean he's not a more

584
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: sexy target is because he's not really going to give

585
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Speaker 1: you anything in center fields. He's faked in center field

586
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 1: a few years back, but at this stage of his career,

587
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be He wouldn't be any better

588
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: there than their current internal options. So he's he's a four.

589
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: I guess you call him a fourth outfielder. But he's

590
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: not really giving you much at all. Three of those spots.

591
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: He's you plan on him being a corner guy, a

592
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Speaker 1: platoon guy as long as he's still getting on base, though,

593
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Speaker 1: he would help them win games. That's a fascinating when

594
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: I probably should have had that one down myself.

595
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Speaker 2: Robbie Grozman, like I've always liked him. I thought it

596
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 2: was fringe guys that you know, he future analysts by

597
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: the way, I think he's gonna be one of those

598
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: guys that you'll see on you know, sporting networks, doing

599
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: broadcasting whatever he does after his crewer. And he's relatively

600
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Speaker 2: a quiet guy, but I think that's just a perspective

601
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Speaker 2: that you want to get. You know, he realizes, like,

602
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: if I have a strength, I'm gonna you know, work,

603
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use that to offset a weakness. And he's

604
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Speaker 2: done that, I think for the majority of his career.

605
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Speaker 2: You know, the defensive metric have been horrible in the

606
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Speaker 2: corner spots, like you know with LA He's actually been

607
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Speaker 2: slightly above average at total zone last year. And that's

608
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Speaker 2: like it's a small sample forty five games in Atlanta.

609
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: But again I and I think you expect a lot

610
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Speaker 2: from him as far as ball. When Duval played every day, like,

611
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: his approach at the plate is a lot more aggressive,

612
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Speaker 2: but the defense was so was so like terrific that

613
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Speaker 2: we were kind of okay with it. But when a

614
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Speaker 2: guy like that is playing every day, you're gonna you know,

615
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Speaker 2: it's gonna hurt your team in some ways. And the

616
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Speaker 2: way that it would hurt them given his aggressiveness of

617
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Speaker 2: the plate, it would hurt with Grossman playing every day

618
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Speaker 2: because he's not gonna put up like prodigiously great off

619
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Speaker 2: of the numbers. But yeah, again, to just put the

620
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Speaker 2: lid on it, he's just he's just a useful player,

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Speaker 2: and I think again, you could do a lot worse.

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Speaker 1: As we get to the middle of this aisle on

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Speaker 1: Marlin's offseason shopping, I have a trade candidate to go

624
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: to from the Cardinals, Noban Gorman, who was a very

625
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: highly regarded prospect coming up through the Cardinals system. He

626
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Speaker 1: was envisioned as their third basement of the future. And

627
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: then this dude, Nolan Arnado suddenly came on the trade

628
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: block and that changed their plans quite a bit. As

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Speaker 1: we know, Arnado is playing as well as ever and

630
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: so they had Gorman move over to second base. He

631
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: made his debut this past year. He graduated from prospect eligibility,

632
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: and he would probably graduate from being part of this

633
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Speaker 1: exercise if he had spent the whole year at the

634
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Speaker 1: manjor league roster. He spent the majority of the season

635
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: as their second basement, but not the whole thing, and

636
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Speaker 1: so he was somebody a bat first prospect for sure

637
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: that has a very high floor in that regard, and

638
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: what we saw from him in his rookie year I

639
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: think you'd hope would be his absolute floor moving forward,

640
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: where he slashed two twenty six, three hundred and four

641
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Speaker 1: to twenty slightly above league average overall in terms of

642
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: hitting with fourteen homers in eighty nine games, So you

643
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Speaker 1: extrapolate that that's like twenty five homer power. Playing at

644
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: a home ballpark in Saint Louis. It's not super friendly

645
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: two home runs, So we played most of his games

646
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Speaker 1: at second base. Didn't grade out well there. Defensively. You

647
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Speaker 1: would think that if he goes to third base, though,

648
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: that he would offer more at the table. So it's

649
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure what the fit is with the

650
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Marlins in that of course they went out and got

651
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: Jordan Groshans at the deadline last year in his primary

652
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: position is third base. But I think he asked about

653
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: ten experts and nine and a half of them would

654
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: say that they prefer Gorman's outlook moving forward than Grossians

655
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: is bad. He's a lot safer. I think his defense

656
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: might be even better at that position, and the power

657
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: upside is very tantalizing with him. So this is a

658
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: trade target, of course, somebody I guess in the same

659
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: vein as Royce Lewis where he would involve the Marlins

660
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: probably parting with some major leagues starting pitching to send

661
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: to Saint Louis where they have a lot of questions there.

662
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: Even with Waynwright coming back, they still have some rotation

663
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: depth issues. It'd be that type of pretty big, you

664
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: could say, borderline blockbuster trade where I think the Marlins

665
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: would have to send somebody on the mountains who is

666
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: high upside and years of control in order to get

667
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: offense at that position. I think it's a logical fit potentially,

668
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, it's gutsy on both sides for the

669
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals to part with a guy that they developed themselves

670
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: in their track record of deleveing hitters and uh yeah,

671
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: and the Marlins inevitably to get somebody like this, To

672
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: be clear, it would cost them quite a bit. It

673
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: would cost them somebody like Pablo. It would cost them

674
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: somebody like that. Yeah, I mean, you're not gonna there's

675
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: really hard way to imagine this coming together unless it's

676
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: one of the pitchers currently in their major league rotation

677
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: to get pry somebody like Gorman away from the Cardinals.

678
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of what I wanted to go through. Yeah,

679
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: it makes sense. It's a great fit. But as you mentioned,

680
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: Jordan Groshaans was traded for not even a couple months ago,

681
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: so I would like, I guess it would be some

682
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: type of a competition if in spring training to see

683
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: who's that starting third basement. But you know, these two guys,

684
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: Grossians and g and oh my god, Nolan Gorman both

685
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: come from very good organizations that know how to develop

686
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: it in pretty well. So it would be pretty interesting

687
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: to where to go to. And I'm glad you mentioned

688
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: an infielder because that's where I'm going next. I'm going

689
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: with Seattle Mariner's second baseman, Adam Frazier, who was an

690
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 3: All Star in twenty twenty one, and I'm gonna search

691
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: up his stats as I'm talking about him, and he's

692
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: been pretty consistent throughout his career. This is the first

693
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: time in his career where I guess you could say

694
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: he's had a big downfall or a big decrease in stats,

695
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 3: and as I'm pulling them up, this season he went

696
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: two thirty eight three or one three eleven with an

697
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: ops of six twelve compared to his last season where

698
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: he hit over three hundred with San Diego and Pittsburgh,

699
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: and the twenty twenty season, I'm not really gonna look

700
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 3: into that, and I'll go to twenty nineteen where he's

701
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: hitting two seventy eight, and you just keep going a

702
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: little higher or farther back in time. In twenty sixteen

703
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: he was hitting three oh one. So he's been a

704
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: pretty consistent hitter throughout most of his career. And this

705
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: is the guy who could also play the shortstop position

706
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: if you really want to put him there. I don't

707
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: think he'll provide that. I don't know if he'll be

708
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 3: the most the best shortstop out there. And that would

709
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: be the case where let's try Jazz Chisholm there, and

710
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: I know Lewis is against it, and but you know,

711
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 3: you could give it a try and at least see

712
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: how it works in spring training. See who would be

713
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: the better defender there, Jazz or Fraser. And I don't

714
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: think it would be that expensive to really get a

715
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: guy like Adam Fraser unless teams are valuating that All

716
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: Star selection in twenty twenty one, knowing that he didn't well,

717
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: he played around the same amount of games, but it

718
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: was a very talented Seattle team that had some good death.

719
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 3: That's here I would say. And he's not someone who

720
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: strikes out that much, under twenty percent his whole career

721
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 3: strikeout rate, almost ten percent walk rate he's at seven.

722
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: But he's a pretty solid player overall. And you know

723
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: he's what he is, thirty years old, so he's not

724
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: too old yet, so you could at least get him,

725
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: maybe on a one or two year deal. There, see

726
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: how that works out.

727
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: So, Kevin, I'm not going to use this as like

728
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: a smite, but what I'll say is like I think

729
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: I don't and I believe I touched on this earlier.

730
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 2: We talked if you're playing a hypothetical chess the way

731
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: that Eli kind of mentioned the likes of Nolan Gorman,

732
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: who would theoretically fit in as a third baseman if

733
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: the Marlins acquired him. Grossians does have the experience at

734
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: short though you do have Rojas, so you would be

735
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: sacrificing defense for a guy who's very disciplined at the plate,

736
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: as Grossians is. But with the likes of of acquiring

737
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: a Frasier or which I guess would be a free

738
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: agent signing because he's a free agent.

739
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: M h.

740
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: You kind of have an internal option already as far

741
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: as a veteran who is somewhat of a utility player

742
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: goes and John Birdie, and John Birdie does what Fraser doesn't,

743
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: and he's not an excellent based stealer the way that

744
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: Bertie is. I mean, and again, stolen bases are. They're

745
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: not in vogue, though they may come back into play

746
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 2: as far as how manager's game plan and stuff and

747
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: how they like to employ. They're typically faster players with

748
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: like I said, the new rules, I'll mention him again,

749
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: but I think if they're going to be conservative and

750
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: they want to at least save money where they can,

751
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: if they want to allocate their funds and spend it elsewhere.

752
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: I think they really haven't answered to Fraser in Bertie.

753
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: Although I don't think Bertie is as good of a hitter,

754
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: I think he provides you similar defensive value while also

755
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: making up for his somewhat deficient offensive performance with a

756
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: good acumen for base running. So I think maybe that'd

757
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: be like a name i'd straight from. I don't think

758
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: it's the worst option, but I think Bertie kind of

759
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: fills Fraser's role, at least the role that he would

760
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: occupy on this roster, as he is an example of

761
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: a utility player, and I think that's kind of the

762
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: space that those two occupy.

763
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: And I actually want to ask, what what is the

764
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: future of Joey Wendell in this team, because that's another

765
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: player we we have kind of shot away from mentioning here.

766
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: Joey Wendell. I believe he has a player option, I

767
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: want to say, And.

768
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: He's entering what is it would be his final year

769
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: of arbitration. There's like a mutual option. They're going to

770
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: decline that and they're gonna like tender em a contract

771
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: just it's his last year of club control. And I

772
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: imagine he's gonna be a little bit more expensive than

773
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: Fraser is, but I think he's he's a better fit.

774
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they're both what they share in commons, they're

775
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: both amazing contact hitters. You were understating that, you know, Fraser,

776
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: the big calling card with him is making contact like

777
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: he's one of the best in the league. Even this year.

778
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: This year which was as obviously being in this aisle,

779
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: he was a very bad year for him, but still

780
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: like about twice as good at the league average in

781
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: terms of strikeout rate. So they are there's similar guys

782
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: except for Wendel. The big difference is that Wendell plays

783
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: a good shortstop. He's played a lot of shortstop and yeah,

784
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: so I don't know, me personally, have a tough time

785
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: imagine them trading Wendell or like moving him inconveniencing him

786
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: just to bring in Fraser, who's just a similar type

787
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: of player with also the similar limitations in terms of power. So,

788
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: although I do think he is definitely a bounce back,

789
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: I think he got somewhat unlucky this year. Maybe that

790
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: big playoff moment he had against Toronto, a game winning

791
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: hit that will carry over some sort of positive vibes. Yeah,

792
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't know me personally, I don't think they would

793
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: go out of their way to like rearrange their veteran

794
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: infielders when what they had this year was all right.

795
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: You know, that wasn't really the problem of the team.

796
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: And he is interesting though. I do expect more of

797
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: him moving forward than we got in twenty twenty two.

798
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: I mean, Wendell even could have won a Gold Glove

799
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: if he play second base all season like I believe

800
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: he may. I may be wrong on this, but I

801
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: could fact check it later. But he had ninety ar

802
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: rests at second and thirty three games and six and

803
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: thirty four games at shorts up, Like I know, they

804
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: have the utility Gold Glove right now and he prop

805
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: play enough games to really merit the selection. But he

806
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: would have been a great candidate for that had he

807
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 2: seen more time at those respected positions and he played

808
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: you know it slightly below average third base, but given

809
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: the production that he can provide and just put in

810
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: the ball and play, I know he was a below

811
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: average hitter by justin ops plus this year doesn't strike

812
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: out and gives you the defense. He was almost a

813
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: three to win player this year. So I mean, again, Kevin,

814
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 2: they have internal options. I don't think Fraser's a bad

815
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: choice because but I also think the Marlins already have

816
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: players who kind of fit that particular mold.

817
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair, Eli.

818
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: Was there another person you wanted to mention, maybe another

819
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: position player? I had a couple of other pitchers, maybe

820
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: a trade candidate that you maybe want to mention beyond Gorman.

821
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one more that's in this sort of an

822
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: interesting position, and I don't know how available he is.

823
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: But coming off of down your Jared Walsh of the Angels, Yeah,

824
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: he had. He had a great year, what just in

825
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and then this year dealt with some injuries.

826
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: His season ended early due to was let me double

827
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: check exactly what it was. It was some sort of

828
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: like soft tissue injury that it's not going to linger

829
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: into next year. But he played one hundred and eighteen

830
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: games this past year, and that home run total was

831
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: cut in half from twenty nine to fifteen. Just overall,

832
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: the stats were pretty ugly, A well below average hitter,

833
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: a six forty two ops after being eight fifty the

834
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: year before. And you know, that was one of the

835
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: many things that went wrong for this Angels team in

836
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to make them under chief. That was

837
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: a right intercostal strain, So it's similar to an oblique

838
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: or some other mid section injury. It's not going to

839
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: affect him moving forward. He's twenty nine years old. He

840
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: still has several years of control moving forward. I think

841
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: he's just going into arbitration for the first time. So

842
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: it's three years of club control of a player that

843
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: primarily plays first base, but he could contribute in the

844
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: corner outfield spots as well. As we brought up at

845
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: the top of the show with Brandon Belt at first base.

846
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: You know, the Marlins, they could use an upgrade, and

847
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: this guy it at least has. Even this year, as

848
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: down as it was, it was miles better than what

849
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: Leywin gave you offensively as well. So it's just an

850
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: incremental step forward, and I think the bat makes up

851
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: for any limitations with the defense as long as it's

852
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: something close. Forget about even twenty twenty one if it's

853
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: his career numbers, whereas a two fifty hitter with a

854
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: oneh eight ops plus, as long as he's you know,

855
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: above average overall and with a lot of that value

856
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: coming in the Powers apartment. He's a really intriguing guy,

857
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: so he has some limitations with his swing and miss

858
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: a little bit with he's a poll heavy hitter, so

859
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: I think he's somebody that could He's seen a lot

860
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: of polled ground balls, and he's somebody that I think

861
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: is near the top of the list of the guys

862
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: that would benefit from shifts being restricted moving forward, as

863
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: some other players of that prototype would. So that's one

864
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: thing I'm betting on, is him just with the rule changes,

865
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: being somebody that's a big beneficiary of that. And depending

866
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: on where the Angels go there, they're in a really

867
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: awkward spot as we know, as they're going through an

868
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: ownership change and didn't perform much better than the Marlins

869
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: did this past year. I feel he had another one

870
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: of those deals where Marlins give up some major league

871
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: pitching and they could get somebody like Walsh in returned.

872
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the only go ahead, No, you're good,

873
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: go ahead. I think you have an I guess the

874
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: only concern I might have is that strikeout rate in

875
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 3: the past two seasons where he's actually played almost full season,

876
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: you know, twenty six thirty percent. Is into encouraging with

877
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: the walk rates wave atow ten percent at least in

878
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, which I understand he got injured. But yeah,

879
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: it's a good player and definitely an upgrade over what

880
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: Leywhan has provided. I know Lewen is one of the

881
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: best defenders, is the best defender in the Miami Marlins

882
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: organization as a whole. But uh, you know, the offense

883
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: hasn't shown what he did in Jupiter. I'm sorry not'n

884
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: Jupiter in Jacksonville has not translated to the big league's end.

885
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 3: It's unfortunate because he's a really good player, really good person.

886
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: But man, Jared Walsh would be a very sexy pick

887
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: up as Lucas mean, I mean Lucas Lewis mentioned Jesus.

888
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: And yeah converted here too. He actually debuted as a

889
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: pitcher earlier in his career.

890
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 3: Oh I did not know those.

891
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a pitcher. He was like one of

892
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 2: those a j Reid esque type pitcher, first baseman, Brandon

893
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: McKay types in college. Oh okay, all right, so it's

894
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: only fair Eli mentioned Nolan Gorman, Kevin, you mentioned Royce

895
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: Lewis as prospect types that could be acquired by the

896
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: team via trade. So I think it's only fair to me. Yeah,

897
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: you know exactly where I'm going, because we've espoused on

898
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: him multiple times. It's only fair that I mentioned guy.

899
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: And when I was establishing the hierarchy of guys who

900
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about on this list, I put

901
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: him down as the notes I perform, I put down

902
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: as pipe dream because I think in a dream scenario

903
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: would be where the Marlins acquire this guy and realistically

904
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: he gave me a truth serum. I don't think they're

905
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: going to acquire him, but I would love if, you know,

906
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: the team were to go out and, you know, make

907
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: a splash in acquiring the likes of say a James Autman. Now,

908
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: with the reports that have vaguely been going on, I

909
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: think they've been percolating through the Athletic and Bleacher report

910
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 2: about the idea of the Dodgers possibly exploring a shohe

911
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: O Tani blockbuster Outman would likely be the marquee guy

912
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: included in that deal, although Diego Kartaya, the catcher that

913
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: they have there, even Miguel Vargas could be names that

914
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: would come back in that deal, possibly if they were

915
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: to go to the other side of Los Angeles in

916
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: that deal. But you know, the Marlins have the void

917
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: in centerfield. Autman would fill that at least now. The

918
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: only other problem with that, beyond him just being an

919
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: excellent player is we have to look at Cody Bullinger.

920
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger not a productive player. If the Dodgers don't

921
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: want to tender him a contract, he's likely going to

922
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: be owed upwards of say twenty million dollars in arbitration

923
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: this year. As Eli puts that Adonis on the screen,

924
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: Outman may just supplant him out there. If they Dodgers

925
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: want to cut back some payroll and say they want

926
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: to make that splashy move that's been rumored to be

927
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: that's been rumored about them, possibly Baron Judge movie movie

928
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: bets to second base. They want to say some payroll there,

929
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: Outman would be a cheaper option for now, but he

930
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: would also just give the Marlins a center fielder that

931
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: fans could legitimately get excited about. Honestly, the maybe the

932
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: most exciting outfielder the Marlins have had. Dare I say

933
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: since Christian Yelich if it's not verbally, I mean, we

934
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: were excited about Brinson. But I think if you asked

935
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: Eli in twenty eighteen. When they acquired him, there was

936
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: obviously some trepidation given his history of swinging miss and

937
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: you know a lot of other things there. But I

938
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: mean outman, you know, play center field, he could play

939
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: the corner outfield spots if that doesn't pan out. He

940
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 2: also flirts with like twenty twenty Homer twenty twenty potential,

941
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: like not Mike Trout, but Trout esque in his ability

942
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: to steal bases and hit for power. He's done that

943
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: a couple of times in the minors where he's actually

944
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: flirted with it, I think come very close and both

945
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: respective departments in multiple seasons at different levels. I mean,

946
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: like I said, he'd be one of the most exciting

947
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: position players that the franchise would have in a long time.

948
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: And you'd have to think that if the team were

949
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: to acquire him, he'd be a chewing to make the

950
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: opening day roster because they he'd immediately become the best

951
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: outfielder in their organization, maybe the best position player. He

952
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if he would be number two, say

953
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 2: only Yurie Perez and best prospects in the organization. But yeah,

954
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: it's a pipe for him, and I don't even want

955
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: to get started on what it would possibly take. Eli.

956
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: You probably know better than I would to acquire somebody

957
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: like that. But I love your guys takes on that.

958
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: I love Jim's alum.

959
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: Just yeah, just coving ahead to the acquisition part of it.

960
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: It's similar to Gorman. You're talking about somebody that's probably

961
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: a main piece of a Pablo Lopez trade Dodgers. That's

962
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: something they really focused on this offseason is getting starting

963
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: pitching after so many guys, including your beloved clinting Kershaw,

964
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: hitting free agency with an uncertain future, and for them

965
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: to get whether it's Pablo or but probably only Pablo

966
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: would be that kind of guy that would justify giving

967
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: up somebody like Outman just at the start of his career,

968
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: totally major league ready to go. A little older for

969
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: the prospect side, he's gonna be twenty six in May,

970
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: but he's ready to go. You know, he's ready to

971
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: jump in and he could be one of those leading

972
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: intenders for Rookie of the Year that helps you win

973
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: games immediately. But go ahead, Kevin more on.

974
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: Altman such a consistent hitter in the minor leagues that

975
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: it just made sense, and I couldn't agree more with

976
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 3: Lewis's option here with going Outman. Yes, it would require

977
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 3: Pablo and maybe a little bit more because how good

978
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: James Autman is and this guy would be the best

979
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: outfield that Marlins have only your team, and as Eli mentioned,

980
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: he will be fighting for Rookie of the Year and

981
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: a al.

982
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: If Andrew, if you were the gam of the Marlins,

983
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: if you're Kim Ang, Andrew calls you and he hears

984
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: about the end that you have in a cloutman. If

985
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: he proposed a deal that started with the likes of say, hey, Wizardo,

986
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: would you urage that or would you say that Pablo

987
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: is the starter that will even encourage trading to acquire

988
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 2: the likes of Outman. Given what Lozardo has done there

989
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 2: and given the peripherals last year, even suggested he got

990
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: a unlucky.

991
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really I've done a total one eighty on

992
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: Lozardo from where we were a year ago. I loved

993
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: what he did, especially those last couple of months when

994
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: he got back he looked like a complete pitcher. I

995
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: think he out of everybody in this organization. If I

996
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: have to pick who's your number two starter for the

997
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: foreseeable future. I would go with Lizardo even over at Pablo,

998
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: And so it would depend on whether the trademarket reflects that, Like,

999
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: if the rest of the league feels the same way

1000
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: and they are willing to give up somebody like Outman

1001
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: plus several other very interesting pieces in a package for him,

1002
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: then think he got considerate. But I love Lazardo's upside,

1003
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: given like the adjustments that he's made and the fact

1004
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: that moving forward he feels like he's a really safe

1005
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: bet to miss a lot of bats and to throw

1006
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: more strikes than he used to, and to have the

1007
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: upside of being that Ye're really just the second the

1008
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: robin to Sandy's batman and your rotation. So yeah, I'm

1009
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: of the opinion that of all the pitching that we

1010
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: potentially deal over the offseason, that Lozardo is like the

1011
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: one I want to hold closest to the vest. So

1012
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm probably not quite as enamored with Outman as you guys,

1013
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: So with me, that'd probably be a no for me.

1014
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: Another name. I wanted to mention it, and I had

1015
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: him at the bottom of my list, and I figured

1016
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: it's only right because he makes his off season home

1017
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: in Miami, and I'm not sold on the idea of

1018
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: completely in the idea of him coming to Miami, but

1019
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 2: you guys maybe have an idea of for him thinking

1020
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: of and all I really put for notes beyond just

1021
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: his absurdly high walk rate is you're gonna take a flyer.

1022
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: It's still a rold As Chapman. He still throws mid

1023
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: to high nineties. I think it begs the question, given

1024
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: Melse dottemeyer As ability to work with pictures and the

1025
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: way that he hasn't the fact that I think the

1026
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: Marlins are a very very pitching centric organization for on

1027
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: a one year deal, though unfortunately, given his pedigree, I

1028
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: think I take a major league deal to get Chadden

1029
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: in Miami. Not the worst idea, but it's still a

1030
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: flyer that I'm sure will be noted at the Marlins

1031
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: being once for taking that. Again, I don't think it's

1032
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: the best option, but I think given who he is

1033
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 2: the game, for his transgressions well as his on field performance,

1034
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: it's something that I'm sure that will come up in

1035
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 2: offseason discussions as the front office decides how to construct

1036
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: this bull page with the AH worst era in twenty

1037
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: twenty two heading the twenty twenty three.

1038
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a big decline for Chapman, you know,

1039
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: from the highs of being one of the best, maybe

1040
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: the best closer in baseball with the Cubs and the Yankees,

1041
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: you know, to where he is now off a playoff

1042
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 3: froster or was taken out of it due to I

1043
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: don't even know what it was. I believe it's some

1044
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: type of he missed a workout or something and his struggles.

1045
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: Throughout missing workout Miami.

1046
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been tough. It's been tough for Chapman, but

1047
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you'll be at your home in Miami,

1048
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: very close to Cuba, where you know, you're you were

1049
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: you were born, and maybe maybe that's a spot where

1050
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: he wouldn't mind it and a pitch It is a picture

1051
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: friendly ballpark as well. That's something to keep in mind.

1052
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: So I guess you would benefit a little bit more

1053
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: out of being in New York, which is basically the

1054
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: most one of the more hitter friendly bellparks in baseball,

1055
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: to go to Miami, where hopefully maybe he benefits a

1056
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 3: little bit more. We'll see. But I know you may

1057
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 3: have had to say something on Chapman.

1058
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to stop and look at his name,

1059
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: of course, just because we want to be as thorough

1060
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: as possible. We know that the bullpen is an area

1061
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: of need, and even during this year early on, like

1062
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: there were stretches where Chapman looked pretty close to his

1063
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: vintage self. Like it's not out of the realm possibility

1064
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: to think that he'll he could bounce back very strong

1065
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: next year. It's it's hard to get past the off

1066
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: the field stuff, going back to the domestic violence incident

1067
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: that got suspended, and I mean more recently he I

1068
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: don't think we mentioned this, is that he had to

1069
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: go on the IL this year because of a tattoo

1070
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: that he got on uh I think where was it?

1071
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: Was it on his pitching arm. He got a tattoo

1072
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: that was infected and it's miss time because he couldn't

1073
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: resist getting another one during the season in the middle

1074
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: of the year. And the cherry on top of the

1075
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: red flag pie was how he handled this postseason situation

1076
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: for a bullpen that desperately needed options that despite poorly

1077
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: he pitched. You know, he quit on the team just

1078
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: because they they were noncommittal about using him in the

1079
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: postseason and important roles. He is I mean, by all observations,

1080
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: he just has a massive ego about himself. He does

1081
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: not respond well to be an asked pitch more than

1082
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: one ending. He does not respond well to doing anything

1083
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: except for closing. I would just see a stay away

1084
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: from me. He just he is. And yeah, I understand

1085
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: both sides. They need to be thorough. Somebody is going

1086
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: to sign him, whether it's I do think it's going

1087
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: to be a low end major league deal. When your deal,

1088
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: he's going to pitch again, I would hope it's not

1089
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: for the Marlins. They need to do something though. Somebody

1090
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: of that ILK is exactly what they're looking for. Somebody

1091
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: that missus bats with multiple pitches, that has the intangibles

1092
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: to pitch in those high leveraged situations and to close

1093
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: it out. That's the kind of profile that they need

1094
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: to be looking at. Whether it's be a trader free

1095
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: agency that I can absolutely agree with.

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00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: I mean to really bookend the podcast, if you guys

1097
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 2: want to end it here or if you have any

1098
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: other names, I mean, I'll throw some other names out

1099
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: there before I delvemore and Chapman, I had, you know,

1100
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: maybe another low end, low risk guy may work was

1101
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 2: Matt Boyd kind of more of a reliever now Eli.

1102
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: I believe he pitched with Seattle this year and was

1103
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: pretty good at a one thirty five year ra in

1104
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: about thirteen innings. Small sample size, but for a guy

1105
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: who doesn't throw hard, he missus like even in Detroit

1106
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: he did that. He could be another lady in a

1107
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 2: bullpen that features already future Lion oaker. Jose Alvarez did

1108
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: have Tommy John's last month, so that would maybe be

1109
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: a Kirby Yates esque deal where you're giving him like

1110
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: a two year commitment to where you're not going to

1111
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 2: really expect anything. Although we did see with Zach Britton

1112
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: though we did hurt himself. Tommy John Bass than twelve months.

1113
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: Could see a two year deal where you don't get

1114
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: anything that first. Maybe we get him at the end

1115
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 2: of the season and then next year. You know, Jose

1116
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 2: Alvarez a three fifteen ERA between and twenty twenty one

1117
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: and three hundred and sixty six innings bitch, So that's

1118
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: a sample of being a productive pitcher. Also another former Tiger.

1119
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: I'll mention them one more time before I get back

1120
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: to Chadman. Kenley Jansen still had a year with the Braves.

1121
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 2: There was some time the ken Lee of a since

1122
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen had rear where you weren't sure as the

1123
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: velocity kind of came in during the season. Still through that,

1124
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: Cutter still struck out a three thirty eighty ray three

1125
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: twenty one, fifth twelve case for nine this year, you know,

1126
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: one of the best relievers of the last fifteen years. Maybe,

1127
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: But we'll book into with Chapman, I think, because like

1128
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: you said, the risk is, Yeah, he is the Albert

1129
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: Bell of twenty twenty two, the nsis of twenty twenty two.

1130
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: To relate it to another Cuban baseball star as former

1131
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: one being he's no longer an active player. It's just

1132
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: like keep sonifies, I guess moving forward, what you're gonna

1133
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: get what kind of looms over this Marlins future. It's

1134
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: a weird kind of like person to symbolize a team

1135
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: where it's just like, we don't know what's gonna happen

1136
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: with the team after twenty twenty three, if say they

1137
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: have another unproductive season on the field.

1138
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, super duper quick name here, Trevor Rosenthal. Yeah, it's

1139
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 3: a wild card. But he was traded for and he

1140
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: never played. That was the weirdest thing. Ever. They traded

1141
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: some pretty decent prospects for him. I believe it was

1142
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 3: when he went from I want to say San Francisco

1143
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: to Milwaukee or vice versa. But he hasn't played since

1144
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, and that season it was pretty good. Definitely,

1145
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 3: you could maybe get him on the minor league, on

1146
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: the minor league deal, or maybe just over that or

1147
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: just the lowest point you can't do the made to

1148
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: a major league deal and just give a shot and

1149
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: see how he does in spring training. What in mind

1150
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: seeing that option there? As if we could get twenty

1151
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: twenty Trevor Rosenthal, I think Miami may have themselves a

1152
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: late inning guy.

1153
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 1: Having missed as much time as he did. You think

1154
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: that he has to sell for a minor league deal

1155
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: this time around with no firm commitment to it. When

1156
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: you reach that stage of your career, then I'm open

1157
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: for anything. If it's going to be pretty much no

1158
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: obligation on the Marlins side, just see how he looks

1159
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: at spring training, then for sure that is somebody that

1160
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: I would circle as a candidate for that. Well, yeah,

1161
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: we'll wrap it up right here as we go well

1162
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: over one hour on this first episode. That's right insisting

1163
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: early on that there weren't that many interesting guys in

1164
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: this bracket. This was to remind you Ile won only

1165
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: the first isle of shopping, as we focus on players

1166
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: that we expect to be most generally speaking, most affordable,

1167
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: but in some cases just unproven players. There was a

1168
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: fascinating mix of guys that are coming up, those that

1169
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: are on their way down, others that are simply in

1170
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: need of a bounce back. And we'll continue our way

1171
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: up next episode of looking at players that were ahead

1172
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: of them in terms of war this past season, and

1173
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: we'll get to it before the off season really heats up.

1174
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: Will cover everybody that you're interested in the Marlins potentially

1175
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: pursuing in trades and free agency this offseason with Kevin

1176
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: Barrall with Lewis Eddie O Weiss, Eli Sussman here on

1177
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: Marlin's offseason Shopping. We'll be back with Ile two and

1178
00:59:54,080 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: as always, go Fish