Speaker 1: Hello everyone. I'm Devin Simone and I am Davon Rogers.
Speaker 1: I'm an e Sa Ferrara, and I'm Tory Deal. And
Speaker 1: this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. We're at the Needy, Greedy,
Speaker 1: this is the end, guy, can we get shut here?
Speaker 1: There were a lot of nellys. Uh this episode. Oh,
Speaker 1: this episode. I cried for him. I love Nelson, I do,
Speaker 1: except for when he called Olivia a city girl right
Speaker 1: when they were backstage. Id to drop that Olivia's still
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what makes her a city girl.
Speaker 1: I cackle. I think I cackled because I laughed from him.
Speaker 1: She's laughing in the background. I know you were so
Speaker 1: messy in these fells when you were like get this,
Speaker 1: get and you're pointing of ship. I told her, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're about to see some shit. So it was so
Speaker 1: I can't that was that was foul. But I think
Speaker 1: Nelson's feelings were still just hurt. So he tried to
Speaker 1: drop that in there, and his feelings were definitely hurt,
Speaker 1: Yeah they were. But more of that story, you know,
Speaker 1: there's always more to the story that nobody tells us. Oh,
Speaker 1: of course. And I think that, like I said, the relationships.
Speaker 1: We might as well just get to it. Relationships in
Speaker 1: the house don't always work out well when you get
Speaker 1: into the room. Usually world they're one or two that
Speaker 1: may last year's Tories, an example, Tory and Brad even
Speaker 1: got married other Tories. You saw these people work out
Speaker 1: and then you saw a lot of them fail. So right,
Speaker 1: the percentage of people that fail are higher, much higher.
Speaker 1: It's exceptionally right. And I think Olivia was going through
Speaker 1: a lot of shit like she. I mean, she even
Speaker 1: told me, she was like, I have to I probably
Speaker 1: have to get surgery. I feel like I look like shit,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to be this vulnerable around anybody
Speaker 1: right now, Like I want to be with my family.
Speaker 1: And that's totally understandable. So listen, Yeah, listening to them talk,
Speaker 1: both of them, it was like super reasonable. It's like
Speaker 1: as somebody who's gone through the challenge and had a
Speaker 1: significant other and then lasted on there a long period
Speaker 1: of time and realized that I was using that person
Speaker 1: as just an escape from my own reality and found
Speaker 1: strength within myself when I was alone. It's like I
Speaker 1: totally relate to Olivia. So of course I feel bad
Speaker 1: for Nelson because you root for somebody who has feelings
Speaker 1: for somebody else. You want them to do well. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm with Olivia on this one. I
Speaker 1: think you have to grow individually. They weren't right for
Speaker 1: each other. So but Nelson tells it in his friendships too,
Speaker 1: like he pushes forward. He loves the shit out of
Speaker 1: these people, you know, and I feel like maybe he
Speaker 1: needs to pick better people. Nelson's we can talk about
Speaker 1: this yet style, Devin, Maybe you should, Maybe you should start,
Speaker 1: especially in the friend department, because I still and very
Speaker 1: much so him. I don't think Fancy is his friend.
Speaker 1: I don't Maybe I should reach out to Nelson anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: but we love Nelson and you know, speaking of city Girl,
Speaker 1: I just have to shout out Tory city girl nails
Speaker 1: that she has on right now right I can't see them,
Speaker 1: thank you. The bottoms are red like okay, oh still
Speaker 1: let up? Yes, I need you to flick them off
Speaker 1: and give them to me for dinner tonight because I
Speaker 1: look like uh not city girl, child girl, look like
Speaker 1: child girl out here. Oh yeah, come to my house.
Speaker 1: I got everything you need everything. I have, these tiny
Speaker 1: little hands, the tiny little nail I love it so much,
Speaker 1: so we started this so obviously, you guys, we talked
Speaker 1: so much that even before we officially start recording, we
Speaker 1: start talking. And we started this by talking about bananas,
Speaker 1: and Davon got some heat, apparently more than I did.
Speaker 1: But I also got some tweets around a question of
Speaker 1: if we are like contractually obligated to not talk about
Speaker 1: people we're talking about. I don't know if if y'all
Speaker 1: haven't figured out yet, we do not hold our tongues
Speaker 1: at all. I certainly don't. But with that said, sometimes
Speaker 1: these conversations are really long because we talk a lot,
Speaker 1: and therefore they do get edited down because we can't
Speaker 1: have a three hour podcast episode. But my thoughts are, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, or my question is, I guess what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts about the whole bananas Veronica thing. It just
Speaker 1: clearly struck a chord and you can see that there
Speaker 1: is a long history between the two of them. Were
Speaker 1: like they might not be the best of friends, and
Speaker 1: it got yeah, you know, when you sit in a
Speaker 1: room and it's like, it just gets awkward. And I
Speaker 1: think that Johnny just doesn't like to talk about his
Speaker 1: personal life because a lot of it has been very
Speaker 1: public um, but also there's a history there so and
Speaker 1: Veronica is a very I would like to say she
Speaker 1: kind of plays by the book when it comes to
Speaker 1: like I guess in terms of like her values and
Speaker 1: her opinions, not plays by the book, but she is
Speaker 1: very like these are my values, these are my boundaries,
Speaker 1: this is my ship. So I think when she sees
Speaker 1: a violation, she calls it it hurts me. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying she is the because it wasn't relevant to her.
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like it was weird to me,
Speaker 1: Like I get that there's a long history, and it
Speaker 1: probably too was because there was ninety nine thousand a
Speaker 1: y'all on that stage, So some parts of it felt
Speaker 1: disjointed when people who rightfully so were chiming in because
Speaker 1: they were a part of the group. But like I
Speaker 1: think it just derived from like the tweet and they
Speaker 1: needed to see, like why people her opinion, yes, because
Speaker 1: it was like Veronica, you tweeted this, Yeah, what was
Speaker 1: the why? What's the origin this? Why do you feel
Speaker 1: the way? Yes? So I'm I'm I'm making note of
Speaker 1: that because I don't want it to seem as if
Speaker 1: she just inserted herself and something that was none of
Speaker 1: her business. She was definitely as right, that's fair. But
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well to be fair even further than that,
Speaker 1: if you're going to tweet about something like then you're
Speaker 1: inserting yourself and thank you, that's just being brought up
Speaker 1: on the show than granted, Like I think this is
Speaker 1: the other way. I'm looking at it objectively. We're all
Speaker 1: getting paid to sit at the reunion. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else Veronica talked about. Her and Durrell weren't there
Speaker 1: for very long and weren't wrapped up in any storylines.
Speaker 1: So if I'm getting paid to just sit there, maybe
Speaker 1: I am going to throw in a few things because
Speaker 1: I'm not having a segment. I don't know, I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's totally fair. I mean yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: And this isn't like shade at Veronica, like I like Veronica.
Speaker 1: It's more just how impassioned she was in that comment.
Speaker 1: And then I was actually surprised to get tweets and
Speaker 1: whatever about it about because it's like people, it's not
Speaker 1: been a secret that Bananas has been an f boy,
Speaker 1: Like I don't that I don't is that news to people?
Speaker 1: That's not I think it's where he's coming from. Is
Speaker 1: a little bit more is what him like the sword
Speaker 1: like the person that it's coming from, rather than the
Speaker 1: information got him agitated information itself, whether the information is
Speaker 1: true or not, it's really the person that's stating, well,
Speaker 1: you did such and such, you know, So had it
Speaker 1: been somebody else, maybe his reaction he would be different.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Well, to Tory's point about you know,
Speaker 1: her not really Vernica not really being there for long
Speaker 1: and not really having a segment when they did give
Speaker 1: her an opportunity, I do appreciate the fact that she
Speaker 1: didn't bite her tongue. She said what she had to say,
Speaker 1: so she took the most of that moment. I as
Speaker 1: a viewer, am definitely glad she did it, and she
Speaker 1: always will though you can always expect Vernica to speak
Speaker 1: her mind and I yeah for sure, I love that,
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, I agree. Moving on, Should we talk
Speaker 1: about Turbo's video? I don't. Can we name this episode?
Speaker 1: Uh pussy chicken? I know, I get a level four
Speaker 1: because it's four of us level four chickens. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's only one Devin, and yet he was a level
Speaker 1: two pussy chicken, like that's where. Yeah, because there was
Speaker 1: the first pussy chicken, so he had to be a
Speaker 1: level two. I loved the video. I felt like he
Speaker 1: ran everybody down. I loved it. I thought it was entertainment.
Speaker 1: I love that you said that you enjoyed the two Tory,
Speaker 1: even though he was talking a lot about you girl,
Speaker 1: when he said you needed from your faces, I fell
Speaker 1: out because it was it was it was funny. The
Speaker 1: only thing I didn't like, and I will say this,
Speaker 1: is when he called Nanny cheap. Yeah. I didn't like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only reason I didn't like that was because I
Speaker 1: was there for War of the Worlds. I can never
Speaker 1: say that, right, I think I did this time. I
Speaker 1: was there for that when they bonded, and I watched
Speaker 1: them bond and I saw how patient she was, how
Speaker 1: gentle she was with him, and vice versa, how they
Speaker 1: were with each other. And so I wasn't in the house,
Speaker 1: so I don't know what he saw or what she
Speaker 1: saw or what happened. But to see them get to
Speaker 1: a point now where he's calling her cheap, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is it's heartbreaking. It's really sad. It was sad
Speaker 1: to hear that Yeah, Turbot's interesting because I on the
Speaker 1: contrary of him saying I have two faces, which in
Speaker 1: retrospect I believe is out of calculation. Like I'm playing
Speaker 1: a game. I'm gonna be whoever the fuck I want
Speaker 1: to be, to whoever I want to be to get money.
Speaker 1: I'm not here, Tom, I have friends outside the show.
Speaker 1: I'm not there to be your friend. And if I
Speaker 1: am being your friend and it's authentic, cool, But if
Speaker 1: it's not, whatever, I don't care but him, he would
Speaker 1: come up and no, City Girls nails have changed. I
Speaker 1: don't care more about anybody two episodes ago to now,
Speaker 1: I got the nails, she got the high bunch. She
Speaker 1: just needs some hoops and we're there. Yeah, she does
Speaker 1: need some hoops with her name going across them in
Speaker 1: the middle. You guys are crazy. Let's see pancakes. No, listen,
Speaker 1: just listen to me. I'm I literally like I can
Speaker 1: appreciate it for what it is. And I think that
Speaker 1: he's interesting because I've talked to him on a side
Speaker 1: before and he has literally been like in the game
Speaker 1: on the show, I will put on a face and
Speaker 1: I will say whatever I got to say to win,
Speaker 1: and then after the show's over like, there is no
Speaker 1: b there's no drama, like he also feels and plays
Speaker 1: into this character that he's developing, because that was he
Speaker 1: definitely came across as like an overly overly, overly overly
Speaker 1: I'm studying for my final exam, well practice read rather
Speaker 1: than it was. But it was delivered. It was, but
Speaker 1: it was delivered not the editors having his back by
Speaker 1: putting but with the sound effect in the trash. Yes,
Speaker 1: that part was funny and the sound effects were funny.
Speaker 1: But do you think he really chickened out from coming
Speaker 1: or do you think they always planned because I don't
Speaker 1: know that it would have been delivered as well if
Speaker 1: it if he hadn't you know they had awful If
Speaker 1: he would have showed up and tried that, it's just
Speaker 1: cry Yeah, I don't. Yeah. The video is so much
Speaker 1: more like he took his time to show his after abilities,
Speaker 1: his editing abilities, all coming to collect them with him,
Speaker 1: them rings, he coming to get him and fitting them stones.
Speaker 1: There you go, he coming to get up for Molly.
Speaker 1: So glad I went. He wasn't really either. He was there,
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He was in the corner. He wasses corner.
Speaker 1: Next you heard that I'm bringing I'm not scared unlike
Speaker 1: Unlike I go in with the same face. Now maybe
Speaker 1: different hair, but I go on the same face every time.
Speaker 1: Come at it. If I said, I stand by it, um,
Speaker 1: but he was very it was the pussy chicken is
Speaker 1: just between that and like Nelson and needy greedy. I
Speaker 1: think those are probably two of my favorite challenge phrases
Speaker 1: of all three. Now, like Nelson said, more things that
Speaker 1: are really funny. I told Nelson after we did our
Speaker 1: interview with him on this podcast, I text him and
Speaker 1: was like, you need to start doing merch with your phrases,
Speaker 1: Like you need like I can help you. You need
Speaker 1: to start doing merch. He was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: such a good idea. I'll call you tomorrow. Like I'm like, Nelson,
Speaker 1: you could be so much money right now, all of
Speaker 1: this stuff you say and like what are you? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Don't call me now. After listening to this, Nelson,
Speaker 1: I will not answer. Your time is fast. How else
Speaker 1: did you guys feel on the reunion? Like there was
Speaker 1: so much stuff like can we talk about Amber's revelation there?
Speaker 1: That was really interesting and also interesting given that Tory.
Speaker 1: When you and Devin were on, we talked about neurodivergence, right,
Speaker 1: and we talked a little bit about like brains thinking
Speaker 1: differently and all of that stuff. And so Amber's revelation
Speaker 1: that she's been diagnosed with autism, I think it's so brave,
Speaker 1: so so so brave. I also got a message from
Speaker 1: a listener who said that they appreciated the podcast episode
Speaker 1: where we talked about neuro divergence because their child has
Speaker 1: a version of that, and that just they appreciated us
Speaker 1: normalizing it and making it not something that's like stigmatized.
Speaker 1: So I can only imagine that this episode with Amber
Speaker 1: pushes that that much further. But how did you guys
Speaker 1: feel being there when that was revealed, Like, what was
Speaker 1: the energy in the room? What were your thoughts? I
Speaker 1: definitely think it was shocked because nobody was really expecting
Speaker 1: her to say that, And then I think people were
Speaker 1: trying to support her and trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: but it was mostly just like listening and taking it
Speaker 1: all in, right, like you're trying to understand them more
Speaker 1: and on a deeper level, and she really did. She
Speaker 1: was proud of it and so taking in that and
Speaker 1: then taking in the fact that she was pregnant. These
Speaker 1: are two major announces, Yeah, on a reunion like major.
Speaker 1: I think it definitely caught some people by surprise, just
Speaker 1: because like certain people don't don't like Amber, and I
Speaker 1: think that they were trying to figure out if it
Speaker 1: was real or not. But in my opinion, if somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna say this and speak their truth, let them be
Speaker 1: their truth. It's not up to me to decide whether
Speaker 1: or not I believe it. That's that's their truth, and
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter what I think about it. So well,
Speaker 1: some of the things too, that I've heard people complain about,
Speaker 1: or that through the Great ND people complained about regarding
Speaker 1: Amber and the symptoms she described, and just the very
Speaker 1: very little I know about autism makes sense, like of
Speaker 1: people feeling like she's not genuine, or that she mirrors
Speaker 1: or that she's fake in certain ways, right, like that
Speaker 1: narrative was sort of spread about her. But that can
Speaker 1: be a trait of autism, is you don't fully feel
Speaker 1: comfortable in your space and yourself. So like it makes sense,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think she's faking it for sure,
Speaker 1: And I agree with you, Tori. I think if someone's
Speaker 1: going to be that brave to say that that's bold,
Speaker 1: because not everyone is going to be as understanding. But
Speaker 1: I also think it makes sense around why for some
Speaker 1: people maybe she felt inauthentic in moments, because that is
Speaker 1: a trait when you don't feel authentic in yourself, to
Speaker 1: try and mirror what you see happening. So she talks
Speaker 1: about how she lied at one point, basically saying she
Speaker 1: wasn't on medication when she was on medication. So in
Speaker 1: the past she had done things that were not exactly
Speaker 1: aligned with what was happening, so that I think that's
Speaker 1: what made people question her. But her ability to own
Speaker 1: it in this moment then under makes it all clearer
Speaker 1: or why maybe she was acting certain ways. So I
Speaker 1: think that this whole thing is just helping us to
Speaker 1: see her more clearly. So and I think I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, I think this is an opportunity to give
Speaker 1: her some grace because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: her actions were heard trying to figure it out herself.
Speaker 1: She was trying to figure out who she was, how
Speaker 1: to navigate it, and how to show it to other people,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so she's trying to
Speaker 1: figure this thing out as she goes, and honestly, as
Speaker 1: somebody who has been I feel like we all have
Speaker 1: humans or go through a phase where it's like who
Speaker 1: am I? I need to figure out who I am?
Speaker 1: And a lot of us don't learn it until where
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And so I just I'm
Speaker 1: glad she finally knows who she is and can walk
Speaker 1: and stand in her troop. So congratulations to you Amber
Speaker 1: for being so brave and speaking enough for yourself like
Speaker 1: pregnancy and that at the same time, Oh, I just
Speaker 1: want to hug you and just let you know that
Speaker 1: you are loved and you got this, Mama, you got it.
Speaker 1: And like we said with the episode with Devin, like
Speaker 1: neuro divergence literally just means that your brain thinks differently.
Speaker 1: And as as time goes on, what I think has
Speaker 1: been really great as people are starting to see there's
Speaker 1: truly superpowers with your brain thinking differently. I believe part
Speaker 1: of the reason why um, you know Devon or you
Speaker 1: know Team Dave and Dave, but why he excels in
Speaker 1: the way that he does in the challenge around puzzles
Speaker 1: and all that is because of you know, hes Y,
Speaker 1: the ADHD which he shared with us, which is a
Speaker 1: form of neuro divergence. I have it as well, and
Speaker 1: so it means that you react differently, but you can.
Speaker 1: Really it doesn't mean it no longer should be stigmatized
Speaker 1: that it's a disadvantage because it really can serve as
Speaker 1: an advantage in other ways that when you know it
Speaker 1: and when you own it. And so I'm excited for
Speaker 1: Amber to really be unlocking her in vinity star power
Speaker 1: can be and be able to make so so much
Speaker 1: of that because it's such a spectrum as well. And
Speaker 1: so I think two. Sometimes people think, oh, I've met
Speaker 1: one autistic person. I know what that looks like. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: not the biggest thing. Yea, autism looks very different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't put it in a box. You know. Reality
Speaker 1: TV sometimes it gets the label of toxic because it
Speaker 1: can be, but it's also entertaining. But I love when
Speaker 1: there are moments of opportunity to like to shine a
Speaker 1: light on on good things and growth into open perspectives.
Speaker 1: And I'm really happy that they that she shared that
Speaker 1: on the reunion and that that was on the show
Speaker 1: and featured, because I think that's an important conversation. Yeah, Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: we need to take a quick break. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. Okay, girl, we'll speaking
Speaker 1: of conversations. Okay, yeah, yeah, because I want to get
Speaker 1: down to it. Did you or did you not tell
Speaker 1: Mariah that she needed to sleep with somebody in order? No?
Speaker 1: I did not know. So why does she? Why is
Speaker 1: she saying that? I don't fucking know. That's what I
Speaker 1: sit on the stage, like roll the tapes where I
Speaker 1: ever she like, where I slut shamed you or ever
Speaker 1: said that? Because Johnny would come to me every day
Speaker 1: and be like, this is just gonna be a slow road,
Speaker 1: and she is. And her and I had even talked.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have your values, and you have your boundaries,
Speaker 1: and I love that you have them, Okay, And we
Speaker 1: sat on the couch, as God is my witness, and
Speaker 1: I said that to her. I would never, as anyone knows,
Speaker 1: tell some woman that she needs to sleep with anyone
Speaker 1: to get anything, especially on a motherfucking challenge. I haven't
Speaker 1: had to have sex with anybody to get anywhere, So
Speaker 1: that would never be my advice for anyone. Very adamant
Speaker 1: that you said that she was. She was very angry
Speaker 1: about a lot of things, and I think that it
Speaker 1: was crazy because it was about Fessie and then I
Speaker 1: got dragged into that. But did you see him say that?
Speaker 1: He was like, I think he said something like I
Speaker 1: was like, I got off the hook there. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was like, I got off the hook. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you did. And I think and Maria and I have
Speaker 1: talked and she was like, I want this to be
Speaker 1: in the past, and she had some anxiety. We both
Speaker 1: had some anxiety about this episode because I don't like
Speaker 1: to lose my cool. Yeah, but like I said, when
Speaker 1: she said I didn't have a voice, she even says it,
Speaker 1: and I said it on the podcast, and then she
Speaker 1: reiterated that. I think she watched back and she was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I should have said things when I was there, and
Speaker 1: I think that really made her upset. So when she
Speaker 1: got there, she had all of the things that she
Speaker 1: wanted to say to everyone in what I didn't appreciate
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, a lot of people feel
Speaker 1: the same way I do about you, and then said
Speaker 1: Johnny had said things about me, and I'm like Olivia
Speaker 1: and Theresa my friends. Yeah, and if anybody else has
Speaker 1: anything on the stage to say to me, I think
Speaker 1: they already have Yeah, but no one was going to
Speaker 1: speak up and say I don't like when people do that. Well,
Speaker 1: everyone's talked about you, like I don't like that kind
Speaker 1: of conversation is between you and I, right, And we
Speaker 1: went out to lunch two days before that, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait before she said that, con yes, you, So my
Speaker 1: whole thing is if we're going to squash beef, then
Speaker 1: let it be squashed. If you were going to bring
Speaker 1: up all this stuff on the reunion that we already
Speaker 1: talked about, then yeah, Well I think it just and
Speaker 1: not that I think that like she shouldn't have a
Speaker 1: conversation with you prior, but like if she felt like
Speaker 1: she didn't express herself enough on t you could see
Speaker 1: how she would have wanted to express it on the
Speaker 1: reunion and somewhere else. But how do you what if
Speaker 1: what if I'm not saying she's thinking about a call back,
Speaker 1: but what if she is? If I get it? You know, Um,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about how she talked to me, Tori?
Speaker 1: I think that, Um, you handled yourself well, I really do.
Speaker 1: That's not what I asked you. How the words right
Speaker 1: out in my mouth. I honestly, I think that you
Speaker 1: handled yourself well. But I think that she probably felt
Speaker 1: at some point like she felt with me, distance from
Speaker 1: all of us, and I think we did isolate her
Speaker 1: in a way. So I don't think we did. I
Speaker 1: don't understand when we become kumbaya to everyone. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying was watching either. We weren't me neither. But no,
Speaker 1: she hung out with the rookie girls that we weren't
Speaker 1: all close with, so she went to where we were comfortable,
Speaker 1: which is me and you or me and Johnny or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like I said, her and I aren't the same age.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about the same things. Bessie was like,
Speaker 1: I have a friend. She talks a lot. You guys
Speaker 1: will probably get along. That's how we produced us at
Speaker 1: the airport where she said I was rude. I was
Speaker 1: already drinking and I was tired, and I knew we
Speaker 1: were about to get in a stressful situation. This show
Speaker 1: is not called the Challenge best Friends, and I used
Speaker 1: to think it was until I realized that's not entertaining.
Speaker 1: One and Two, how do you win a game show
Speaker 1: if you're friends with everybody? It took me a long
Speaker 1: time to realize it's sure, but not everyone's going to
Speaker 1: get along. And it's like, I don't like the fact
Speaker 1: that we're judged based on the fact that we may
Speaker 1: not like someone, not that we're saying we're isolating them
Speaker 1: or whatever. She had plenty of friends, more friends than
Speaker 1: we had. She had her whole little squad. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do think that it's interesting that she came at you
Speaker 1: and not more at other people, considering some of the
Speaker 1: way things went down on the show. Like obviously those
Speaker 1: who can't see the video, by the way, a niece,
Speaker 1: why this is why they're like, oh about the podcast?
Speaker 1: About the podcast is because Devin likes to call me
Speaker 1: out on all of my facial expressions that I wish
Speaker 1: you would just not talk about because I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to give the whole Someone asked if we would do twitch,
Speaker 1: by the way, because they really see our facial expressions.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give the full and the whole context.
Speaker 1: And you're not wrong in feeling your feelings are valid, Anissa,
Speaker 1: and so we just I'm just trying to lift them up.
Speaker 1: As Tori is telling her piece and Mariah and I
Speaker 1: have totally squashed everything. We talked about everything, and I
Speaker 1: hated that I came out of character, but I also
Speaker 1: felt like, well, I'm also going to defend my character.
Speaker 1: Of course you are. I don't think you were. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: anybody being attacked like that, whether whatever she was saying
Speaker 1: was her perception or true or whatever, I think anyone
Speaker 1: would respond. And given that you guys had lunched two
Speaker 1: days prior, where you're thinking things were okay, like for me,
Speaker 1: that I that's like the biggest shock, Like I would
Speaker 1: totally be like, wait what, I will say this too,
Speaker 1: for and this is true for all all of us here.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been so long, and especially for some
Speaker 1: of you guys like Anissa and Tory who've done many
Speaker 1: upon many upon many upon many upon many upon many
Speaker 1: upon fast forward, commercial breakback, many upon many upon seasons
Speaker 1: um that that the feeling you have when you're doing
Speaker 1: your first one, and the insecurity around when you're doing
Speaker 1: your first one, and perception and all of that, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like I remember my first Real World season.
Speaker 1: It is the only season I ever regretted of anything
Speaker 1: I've ever done, because I too didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: got to tell my story like I was so nervous
Speaker 1: about what to say, and I didn't speak my voice
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. And so when I came back,
Speaker 1: I was very different and more like, here, take me
Speaker 1: as I am. So I think the grace was rookie.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it doesn't justify all their behavior. But just when
Speaker 1: you're a first time we're thrown into this, it's different
Speaker 1: than when you've done it a few times and you
Speaker 1: know people and you've just found yourself. You're a little
Speaker 1: more confident in yourself or who you are. Ye, I screamed,
Speaker 1: this is the first time you've done this in the argument, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I was trying to like de escalate while yelling. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like to say, I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the tactics. I tried whatever I could, you know. Yeah, So, Davon,
Speaker 1: you're making it fas because you said it very polite
Speaker 1: and that's just not my experience. My experience my first
Speaker 1: season of the Challenge, where the vets were very quicky,
Speaker 1: they were very clicky, and um, the gate was locked
Speaker 1: and I had to force the lockdown in order to
Speaker 1: get in the best way I could. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: no one died from it. But it's that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you're not uncomfortable along the way, and it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: that type of situation. The environment itself is already uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Who are you to make it even more uncomfortable for me?
Speaker 1: But who were they to have to like roll up
Speaker 1: the red carpet. I'm just playing out the red carpet,
Speaker 1: and I feel you don't have to roll out the
Speaker 1: red carpet, but you don't have to go above and
Speaker 1: beyond to make me feel like you're hazing me. This
Speaker 1: is not a fraternity. Well, no, there was no There
Speaker 1: was no hazing on my season. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: that because nobody like putting their hands on me, hazing
Speaker 1: or nothing like that. But it was very much so.
Speaker 1: We are here, you're there, and you have to work
Speaker 1: to get here. And I'm like, that's cool. I'll do
Speaker 1: the job, but you don't have to be nasty as
Speaker 1: I'm doing the job to get there. This, this environment itself,
Speaker 1: the challenges itself is are very difficult. It's a very
Speaker 1: stressful environment. And I understand it. You guys have seniority,
Speaker 1: you guys have been there, y'all put into work. I've
Speaker 1: been doing this for years. You made name for yourself.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's awesome, But you were a rookie once
Speaker 1: before too, and then when you felt when you came
Speaker 1: in there's no grace there, and it's like I had
Speaker 1: to do what you need to do it too. But
Speaker 1: I also I get what you're saying, and I totally
Speaker 1: get that. I also feel like for people that came
Speaker 1: from Real World or Big Brother or like had a
Speaker 1: starting show, kind of got an eye, like kind of
Speaker 1: got a heads up into like what this world kind
Speaker 1: of looks like in a non well, yours is a
Speaker 1: competition more so, and so it's tories. But like for
Speaker 1: Devin and I, my life would say for five months
Speaker 1: of like we're going through real shit. So I was
Speaker 1: ready to go when we went on the first one,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, vacation. But the game was
Speaker 1: also different. Yeah, but it was a popularity contest because
Speaker 1: there were no eliminations. Yeah, so people didn't like you.
Speaker 1: You were out of there, so that was even worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you were a threat in the game
Speaker 1: because because she has a good athlete and she had
Speaker 1: a great partner, So it's like it wasn't even that
Speaker 1: back then it was like we don't like you, you you
Speaker 1: can go yeah, And it's true she came from no
Speaker 1: show that was her first and I think that makes
Speaker 1: a big difference to Yeah. I agree. It's a lot
Speaker 1: being living your life in front of a camera like that,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad she found she felt she found her voice.
Speaker 1: I'm also glad that the podcast got so many shout outs.
Speaker 1: Listen at the same time and you know, going to
Speaker 1: hate me Anissa and Torria person today, David and I
Speaker 1: came on this podcast because they've managed to walk the
Speaker 1: line so well that I like to be real for
Speaker 1: the people that is all shout out to play with
Speaker 1: said people. Um not that I don't get call to do. So,
Speaker 1: you know what, I really want to have that conversation
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's uncomfortable for me as somebody who
Speaker 1: really don't care. Like at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I feel like if I ever do go back into
Speaker 1: a season, if you're going to throw me in on
Speaker 1: something I sit on a podcast, then let's go because
Speaker 1: you want to pick me out whatever it is, what
Speaker 1: it is like, I don't have that fear, but I
Speaker 1: do feel like on this podcast certain things are not
Speaker 1: discussed in full depth the way that they should be.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's because I'm going back
Speaker 1: on another season I'm gonna have to see these people,
Speaker 1: or is it I just genuinely have nothing to say
Speaker 1: about it? Well what specifically, It's been a lot of
Speaker 1: different things. I can't pinpoint one thing in particular, but
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of conversations that we've had and
Speaker 1: rather than answer, it's been like a, well, I think
Speaker 1: it comes down to, like what is being talked about? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever actually shied away from a
Speaker 1: true opinion about something if I felt strongly enough about it.
Speaker 1: But there is a point in time where it's like,
Speaker 1: is it gonna benefit me to say this? I don't know.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: out for myself and but I'm still gonna speak when
Speaker 1: it comes to things that I feel like deserved to
Speaker 1: be talked about. So I think it's just very certain
Speaker 1: it's circumstantial. I want to know what Dave Hanna's sick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want I want to know what which what you
Speaker 1: would like us to go more? In one oh, okay example,
Speaker 1: here you go Tori last week. Last week, we were
Speaker 1: having a conversation and we were talking about the Jordan
Speaker 1: versus Anissa situation, right, and I asked you, or I
Speaker 1: think it was brought up, how you felt about it
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you basically borderline defended Jordan as opposed
Speaker 1: to stating him being in the wrong. And I think
Speaker 1: I've heard you say before in that situation you didn't
Speaker 1: fully agree with what he was saying to Anissa. So
Speaker 1: and I talked to Anisa about this after, like me,
Speaker 1: watching the way Jordan and a Nissa spoke, it was
Speaker 1: triggering for me because of the way him and I
Speaker 1: would talk to each other. So I didn't ever want
Speaker 1: to interject myself in that in that conversation because it
Speaker 1: brought back up old memories of him and I. So
Speaker 1: I'm not just I'm not defending her as a friend
Speaker 1: because I'm also going through my own traumatic experience really
Speaker 1: living moments with him as an individual. So I'm taking
Speaker 1: a step back just for that reason. And that's all
Speaker 1: I feel like that. I get that, I get that,
Speaker 1: but it ain't just that. It's a lot of situations.
Speaker 1: Johnny is one album and it's a lot of other situations.
Speaker 1: You guys, I just feel like, well, when it comes
Speaker 1: to this podcast, it is supposed to be an opportunity
Speaker 1: for us to just really talk. Can I say this, though,
Speaker 1: I think that there is with any good show, you
Speaker 1: need balance, and I think the four of us provide
Speaker 1: such a good balance. Like every one of us here
Speaker 1: has the styles and the ways and the whatever that
Speaker 1: people respond to. And that's based on all the reviews
Speaker 1: I've read and read it threads and comments. So I
Speaker 1: don't think every one of us has to be the
Speaker 1: first one to like push a question to you know,
Speaker 1: and and and we we all kind of challenge each
Speaker 1: other in different ways. Like you know, Anissa forever gets
Speaker 1: mad because I talk about like challenges me when I
Speaker 1: talk about her her facial expressions, and everybody knows I
Speaker 1: make them. Yes, she definitely secret. You really should I
Speaker 1: make them on camera? Yeah, you guys, it's they're even better.
Speaker 1: I can't help I try, actually to you. But I
Speaker 1: think that as this like sisterhood, I actually think we
Speaker 1: have like a perfect mix of a balance, because too
Speaker 1: much of any one thing is just that it's too much,
Speaker 1: And like Tori said, too if it's a genuine generin
Speaker 1: general consensus on something, then it's like sometimes not needed
Speaker 1: to like go in depth on and if there's different opinions,
Speaker 1: then I think that we have that too. Okay, we
Speaker 1: obviously need to take a break. Don't go anywhere, you
Speaker 1: guys will be right back after this. Getting more into
Speaker 1: this reunion, what were your thoughts on Nourice and the
Speaker 1: Johnny hook up and then Nurse saying that Johnny is
Speaker 1: indeed still blocked um from social media, but that but
Speaker 1: that she hooked up with him the night before the reunion.
Speaker 1: Were you guys shocked by that at all? It's just
Speaker 1: I already knew that's what out tory. That's exactly. Oh
Speaker 1: it's so toxic. Yeah, I mean like they're I've I've
Speaker 1: lived that life before, I've walked that path. I've blocked
Speaker 1: people and fucked them. Like that's an old version of me.
Speaker 1: So I see people who do that now and I'm like,
Speaker 1: stiff arm, stiff arm that because it's toxic patterns and
Speaker 1: like it's only going to lead to dead ends. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no way to back up from that. Like once
Speaker 1: you block, block bang, bang and block, once you B
Speaker 1: and B. I feel like that is the forward trajectory
Speaker 1: of the relationship. You only have a B. You have
Speaker 1: an f W B B B friendship for right, Like
Speaker 1: that's what That sets the tone for the rest of it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can go back and be like,
Speaker 1: let's have a relationship now. There's a meme about that,
Speaker 1: like from loved to block to like a true love
Speaker 1: story or something like that, from baby Story. Are they
Speaker 1: together now? I don't know. I'll ask her tonight. Oh
Speaker 1: but I don't think so. Oh no, Olivia in the
Speaker 1: background saying hello, Oh wait, okay, wait is that Olivia
Speaker 1: in the background. Yeahs Olivia, she's in my dad. Oh,
Speaker 1: oh Olivia, we love you so much and so yes,
Speaker 1: of course, what you say for you, you're trading Nelson
Speaker 1: out for me. I told she loved me. I mean
Speaker 1: but that I mean she he knew that as soon
Speaker 1: as soon as he voted her in that one time
Speaker 1: or that two times, three times? Um Anissa, Speaking of
Speaker 1: your facial expressions, the face you made when Bessie said
Speaker 1: he and Nelson are similar in real life? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: what did I do? You looked? I mean, just the
Speaker 1: face was like, uh, it was like the math wasn't
Speaker 1: math like your face said that, like because he was
Speaker 1: serious that he was like, yeah, you know, me and Nelson,
Speaker 1: I think when we were similar in real life. Just
Speaker 1: I'm still confused by that state. I don't even think
Speaker 1: Nelson how, I don't And when did they hang out?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm I don't, I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I'm still very team. I don't think they're friends, like
Speaker 1: I don't I think Nelson really maybe Fessie's Fray, but
Speaker 1: I don't think is Nelson's Frain at all. And I
Speaker 1: also want to say I appreciate this O Marion journey
Speaker 1: that Nelson is on. Um, this journey, I can't deal
Speaker 1: with you. But I'm gonna need baby to get a
Speaker 1: little man because it's not really wing for me. We've
Speaker 1: already seen him. Man. I don't like when he has
Speaker 1: misdirected anger. He actually okay on me in the he
Speaker 1: stabbed on me while filming that. Why what happened because
Speaker 1: when well, I think because looking back it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: But it was after like the whole deal I cut
Speaker 1: with Fessie and Jordan, he felt like he wasn't a
Speaker 1: part of that. Yeah, so he snapped about that and
Speaker 1: so what did he say? Do you remember? Basically like
Speaker 1: you're fake, you're a snake, You're this, you're that, and
Speaker 1: so none of that made it so wow, did he apology?
Speaker 1: Are you guys good? Now? Like? Did he apologize? And
Speaker 1: immediately after all of that he came up to me
Speaker 1: after and I was like, I just want you to
Speaker 1: know we're all good. And I was like, Nelson, I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. You can think I'm a snake anyway,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Like it's all good, We're cool. I
Speaker 1: actually ran in him at the airport two days ago.
Speaker 1: Like it's the nails talking, right, I know, right, she
Speaker 1: is a clickity clack y'all are gonna know I have these? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's talking a lot with her hands to the real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, I think I talk with the
Speaker 1: hands all the time, but I think the nails make it.
Speaker 1: Oh you nails always make you. So what did you say?
Speaker 1: Is there something else you would like to say? Davion?
Speaker 1: What is it that you want me to speak on Dave?
Speaker 1: For those listening, just to narrate. Basically, Davon and Anissa
Speaker 1: are now imitating and talking with their hands, but no
Speaker 1: one's going but let me say shout out to Davon's
Speaker 1: Daisy Nails. She has a light Easter Easter celebration on
Speaker 1: and I love that. So I do think Nelson has
Speaker 1: has a spice to him. But for some reason that
Speaker 1: got edited out, maybe because who knows why it's not
Speaker 1: I think he was more so sad about the Olivia thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. Really Olivia, you broke Anissa. Tell your your
Speaker 1: visitor you broken Olivia. You broke Nelson's heart, but not really,
Speaker 1: But then tell your visitor that I suppose you know Nelson.
Speaker 1: Nelson falls in love, you know, every day, every day. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we've talked about Also, there's camp syndrome. It's a real thing.
Speaker 1: It's part of the reason many of these things don't last.
Speaker 1: You're in, you're limited, and you're who you're around. You
Speaker 1: start to be like, oh, this person's appealing, and I
Speaker 1: love the way they say to everybody like and like,
Speaker 1: that's just camp syndrome is a real, very vague You
Speaker 1: walk outside and you're like, damn, that palm tree looks good.
Speaker 1: Anybody noticed the leaves on that thing? I had a
Speaker 1: crush on the audio It could be dead. Remember yahout
Speaker 1: camp syndrome is real. But I do want to know
Speaker 1: who camped out on Oh can we talk about the
Speaker 1: camping out on fancy jacket? Do you want to stand? O? God?
Speaker 1: Because thank god it was white or cream? Wait? Who saw?
Speaker 1: Who discovered it? Is what I want to How did
Speaker 1: they find out it was you? Well, somebody a birdie
Speaker 1: had told me. I don't really remember the bird I
Speaker 1: swear um flew on my shoulder and said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there may be some DNA on a jacket. Oh I
Speaker 1: know the birdie. The birdie flew into your bed. She's
Speaker 1: sitting right behind you. That would make sense. I don't know. Lin,
Speaker 1: did you tell me that? Oh? Live told me. I
Speaker 1: told you. I knew it. I knew it. I will
Speaker 1: say one thing. She's she's very honest, she told me.
Speaker 1: And then I just giggled a lot because we would
Speaker 1: Argentina was cold. We were there in the winter, so festy.
Speaker 1: You know him? He loves clearly a white puffer at
Speaker 1: a white sweater. Mmm, both with the fur wait the
Speaker 1: jacket with after without knowing that, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: So I told him. He was like, that's my homie.
Speaker 1: D Dad. I'm like, so you're defend that's nasty. Maybe
Speaker 1: I love I love Olivia, but I'm stripping the sheets,
Speaker 1: not right now. I mean, but if she was in
Speaker 1: bed with somebody else and there's there's DNA on my anywhere,
Speaker 1: I'm either burning or hot water to it. I'm not
Speaker 1: wearing it like I would have had to have the
Speaker 1: finest dry cleaning Argentina could afford, Like, give me what
Speaker 1: you got. That's a whole different way of sharing DNA.
Speaker 1: And speaking of sharing DNA, let's talk about the Tory
Speaker 1: Laurel Jordan thing. Um So, when Maria brought up Tory
Speaker 1: about this whole Laurel Jordan hooking back up, Like, what
Speaker 1: were your real thoughts, because I felt like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I felt you were super cool about it. They were
Speaker 1: all like, yeah, I felt like there would have been
Speaker 1: stronger feelings now that you got the clickity clack nails.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear her take her take, No, hobnously,
Speaker 1: you want to know how I feel. I've gotten so
Speaker 1: much heat over the years for hooking up with multiple people.
Speaker 1: So for me to expose that Jordan has yet hooked
Speaker 1: up again with somebody else from the show almost made
Speaker 1: me feel like everybody points to fingers at me, but
Speaker 1: like he's a dude, he's also doing the same shit,
Speaker 1: put the heat that way. So I honestly, especially after
Speaker 1: everything Jordan and I've been through, I have no feelings
Speaker 1: for him anymore. So I genuinely don't care. The The
Speaker 1: only like positive feeling that came from it, and this
Speaker 1: is unfortunately at Laurel's expense, was that Jordan now gets
Speaker 1: it also exposed for sleeping around the way I do.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to be I want us both
Speaker 1: to be looked at evenly like that, like I have
Speaker 1: numbers on my list, he's got numbers on his list.
Speaker 1: We're even right. So that's how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: And so it was Laurel because Laurel was with Nicole,
Speaker 1: and then you know, yeah, can I wanted to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to know about that. I'm not David, Dad.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go down the yellow brick road
Speaker 1: with you right now to it. I am so eff
Speaker 1: and curious. We'll talk later. What I do want to
Speaker 1: know is how you guys felt about seeing her be
Speaker 1: vulnerable about Hara Fiel, like that that was a moment
Speaker 1: for me, like to see her cry about that situation.
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like, okay, like there was
Speaker 1: something really real there because it went from Michelle here
Speaker 1: to like this very soft like I really felt this, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think we all you could feel
Speaker 1: it through just watching it. Yeah, like there was just
Speaker 1: something deeper that perhaps she well clearly she hadn't shared
Speaker 1: with us, and we clearly couldn't see just from their interaction.
Speaker 1: I definitely think Laurel had very obvious and deep feelings
Speaker 1: for him, Like after she left and after Jordan and
Speaker 1: Maurice had, you know, their moment later in the season,
Speaker 1: Rossio and I snuggled like a bunch of times, and
Speaker 1: after all of that, none of that even made air.
Speaker 1: But after she had heard rumors of it, I think somebody,
Speaker 1: maybe Mariah mentioned it to her. So I went up
Speaker 1: and I had a conversation with her and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: like I was snuggling with Rossio, like I wanted to know,
Speaker 1: do you care about him? Because if you do at
Speaker 1: this reunion, like he was kind of like flirting on
Speaker 1: me a little bit, I'm like, I don't know this
Speaker 1: is about to happen, So I'm like, let me ask
Speaker 1: Laurel straight up, like do you have feelings for him?
Speaker 1: And I will totally back off? And she was like
Speaker 1: I do and I was like, okay, cool, I'll done.
Speaker 1: So I think that at the time it was very real.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I mean, it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: there's anything happening. Now, would you say that, I think
Speaker 1: that's real? Dope? If she would to her, yeah, it
Speaker 1: is dope, And then it's dope that you stop to
Speaker 1: figure out there's nothing going on. Now. What makes you
Speaker 1: say that? Well, just because the post that on social
Speaker 1: media with her and Nicole's Sanata, right, what weren't they
Speaker 1: like holding hands? Wasn't Nicole? No? But sometimes things sometimes
Speaker 1: things change, Okay, yeah, look, the third time's the charm. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's all I'm gonna say. If you know, you know
Speaker 1: the third time is the charm? Um uh yeah, but
Speaker 1: that is very big of you, Tory, to to go
Speaker 1: up and then respect that. I think some of the
Speaker 1: fights in the house at least this season probably could
Speaker 1: have been stopped if by yeah, by conversation, because even
Speaker 1: the reason was, like, you know, she wished she would
Speaker 1: have done things differently, do we believe that that she
Speaker 1: would know things different? She did not give a differently
Speaker 1: energy at all. She looked beautiful, though she didn't give
Speaker 1: it to different She did just made a face. She
Speaker 1: didn't I'm sorry. Even the body language and the like
Speaker 1: tapping of the foot the whole time she was riled
Speaker 1: up and didn't seem to I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: also could come off like she was uncomfortable. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of do I answer this? And that's how I
Speaker 1: felt too, because there's no malice like she was like
Speaker 1: do you think I mean, I genuinely think that that
Speaker 1: she's kind of like she's cool about shit, Like you know,
Speaker 1: we've had conversations about guys and sex, and I just
Speaker 1: think she was kind of uncomfortable too, like, but I
Speaker 1: also feel like, and this is no shade to her,
Speaker 1: This is just in general when you say you feel
Speaker 1: bad after the fact, Wow, that's that's the only thing,
Speaker 1: like I And this isn't to her. This is I mean,
Speaker 1: I was hooking up a Korey and he had a
Speaker 1: whole girlfriend, and I mean that was more his shit
Speaker 1: than mine. But don't say sorry to a girlfriend after
Speaker 1: just don't do it right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Do you like that honest thing that I just said,
Speaker 1: I'm very proud. I do. I do. I think she
Speaker 1: I think it was a sincerity to what she said.
Speaker 1: But here's the reason why I think she genuinely wants
Speaker 1: to be Tori's friend. There's something about her that wants
Speaker 1: to be Tori's friend, and I think it's a I
Speaker 1: think if it was anybody else, there would be no, no, Okay,
Speaker 1: whatever I did, it is done, because she has a
Speaker 1: very whatever I did, it is done attitude. But I
Speaker 1: think because she really wants to be friends with Tor,
Speaker 1: I think she was really affected by the way she
Speaker 1: hurt Tory. That's what I think I do too, because
Speaker 1: I don't think she cares what people say about her
Speaker 1: whatever she wants to do, which I I mean, like,
Speaker 1: of course everyone does to a yeah, yeah, but in
Speaker 1: general no, She's like yeah, I mean just which is
Speaker 1: powerful because it takes sometimes years for people to grow
Speaker 1: into that feeling. So I really respect that about her.
Speaker 1: But I also agree, like her and I have had
Speaker 1: awesome conversations post this whole thing happening, and like yeah,
Speaker 1: with her and Jordan not actually working out and her
Speaker 1: realizing what it was like, Yeah, maybe she I genuinely
Speaker 1: believe her. I do think that she was regretful and
Speaker 1: I like her me too. She'll be here this evening.
Speaker 1: What is that face, Devin. I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel about I don't I do
Speaker 1: believe she I believe that she was since here and
Speaker 1: what she said to you, Tori, and I do believe
Speaker 1: that she wants to be Tori's friend. I believe all
Speaker 1: of that. Um, I don't know, just some I'm just
Speaker 1: still dissecting it all. And uh, I'm sure when I
Speaker 1: see them more seasons than I can, I'll be able
Speaker 1: to give my personal analysis. But I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just feel like they're not paying extra for that personal
Speaker 1: analysis now, and that's why you haven't been matched. And
Speaker 1: he said, and I'm kidding, um, because I personal analysis
Speaker 1: and data collection. Thank no. I just mean that she
Speaker 1: that there were moments that she it was like she
Speaker 1: came across as a bit of a dichotomy in the
Speaker 1: in the not necessarily not as much in the season
Speaker 1: in my opinion, but certainly in the two part reunion
Speaker 1: were there are moments that came across almost borderline mean
Speaker 1: girl in a way to me. And then the moments
Speaker 1: where she came across, Like I do think she was
Speaker 1: since here what she shared to you, um Tori, and
Speaker 1: so it's really just sort of understand and we can disagree.
Speaker 1: That's the whole. I agree, and I can see how
Speaker 1: you can see that, But being there and sitting there
Speaker 1: and seeing like certain, I mean, I think Raven was
Speaker 1: attacking on genuine hurt feelings and that was her motivation.
Speaker 1: But you're not gonna call me a hoh that many
Speaker 1: times and me not react because then it's like, well, well,
Speaker 1: what was wrong with me? But it wasn't just at
Speaker 1: the Raven thing. It was just her responses to something,
Speaker 1: multiple things. And I agree that guy, Well I was
Speaker 1: just talking about the one, the one general thing that
Speaker 1: lasted for about an hour of her like that can
Speaker 1: set your mood. Oh yeah. So I'm just saying there
Speaker 1: are a number of variables that we have to take
Speaker 1: into account that affect the way that people hammle themselves,
Speaker 1: like people that haven't been in that environment either, like
Speaker 1: how do I navigate? Like what do I do with
Speaker 1: my backs against the wall? What do I do when
Speaker 1: I get these questions? I think it's kind of like
Speaker 1: everybody kind of as a deer in the headlights. Everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of like, how do I do this? Like, I'm
Speaker 1: like us who have done it for so long, we
Speaker 1: kind of know how to I think, so I think
Speaker 1: that's I think that literally, my trainer would say, like
Speaker 1: I always have to get a second opinion to prove
Speaker 1: that she was right in the first place. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but that's the way I understand things is by talking
Speaker 1: them out. Okay, so before these weirdos get any weirder,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right
Speaker 1: back after this. Before these weirdos get any weirder, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna say? Day? Oh, I'm just gonna ask
Speaker 1: Anisa what was her opinion when Chauncey kind of like
Speaker 1: backed her in the corner about the podcast? Wow? Oh well,
Speaker 1: I didn't really care that much because one I had
Speaker 1: already talked to amber Um and it was like I
Speaker 1: was trying to be like fun about shit and like
Speaker 1: alluding like things may get a little sneaky, like it
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, it wasn't malicious. So once I think
Speaker 1: we had Chauncey on the podcast and I explained it
Speaker 1: to him, he understood that more. I just think that
Speaker 1: he was an easy name to grab because it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: well she actually said something like I have evidence so
Speaker 1: I could use this, But it was more so of
Speaker 1: a her saying like I don't want any of the
Speaker 1: Vets to win to I want Nannie to win. I
Speaker 1: want everyone to win. I want you know, just like
Speaker 1: more of like inconsistencies than like, I never said she
Speaker 1: was a bad person, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't like talking about people's gameplay. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a diss. I agree, So this isn't my character analysis.
Speaker 1: I think she's a wonderful person. I'm really sweet. It's
Speaker 1: we all like have played the game, stupid Tory me.
Speaker 1: Everyone has played it not the smartest way, you know.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's a diss. That's on your ship,
Speaker 1: like sometimes we mess up. Yeah, and that's all like,
Speaker 1: and I'm allowed to have that opinion. Um, and maybe
Speaker 1: in that moment, fresh off the season, my feelings may
Speaker 1: have been different than they are now. You know, any
Speaker 1: knowledge on this alleged group chat, so I mean I
Speaker 1: heard of said group chat, but we're still trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what it is. Because they even showed me
Speaker 1: the group chat. I didn't see anything. Oh, well you
Speaker 1: didn't see anything that talked about Olivia. Were in that
Speaker 1: group chat? Yeah? Was anything said about Amber? No? So
Speaker 1: there is in fact a group chat. There's a group chat,
Speaker 1: but there's a ton of group chat, like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: have a group chat. We don't even use it. We
Speaker 1: really It was like Tory said, f I have to
Speaker 1: work with you guys, I don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Davon talks to me. Davon talks to me and gives
Speaker 1: me like baby little sermons and pumps me up a
Speaker 1: little bit. And I don't even get that. I get
Speaker 1: I talked to Davon on Twitter because that's what she knows.
Speaker 1: I don't. She asked me random questions and then when
Speaker 1: I respond, she does not respond back with her answer
Speaker 1: of the question. That is the extent different experience over here.
Speaker 1: Not to brag, but what has been a great episode.
Speaker 1: It's been a great Oh this season, Well, there was
Speaker 1: a lot, there was a lot of people, a lot
Speaker 1: of things going. I love how they ended it on
Speaker 1: a um, you know, a magic Chauncey moment. Uh yeah, him,
Speaker 1: not Davon, stop it, Davon, what she's turned on? Those eyes,
Speaker 1: those eyes down, We're like, yeah, I could talk liked it.
Speaker 1: I am not, And I think that is perfectly okay
Speaker 1: because that is somebody else's man. So I should not
Speaker 1: be turned on anyway with that one question that's burning.
Speaker 1: And since Davon insisted that we ask all the questions.
Speaker 1: A few moments ago when we talked about camp syndrome
Speaker 1: and being a real thing, and you know that we
Speaker 1: know that happened to the episode. I knew it was
Speaker 1: coming and Devon agreed, She's like camp syndrome, So that
Speaker 1: means she understands that there could be someone in the
Speaker 1: house that you're attracted to. Devon, who I forgot would
Speaker 1: have been? Who is your camp syndrome person? Tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit more about that, please? How is your
Speaker 1: I have not done anybody around, but who in your
Speaker 1: would who? Whom? You know? What I'm asking what? Who
Speaker 1: are you attracted? And the challenge everybody all three of
Speaker 1: us have revealed something or acknowledge something. I mean on
Speaker 1: ours are on TV. But Devon, who from the Challenged
Speaker 1: World Challenged family? Was you know, your camp buddy or
Speaker 1: would have been your camp I canna say all the
Speaker 1: truth and I'm probably gonna go, I'll kind of flag
Speaker 1: for this whatever I'm here, um, not not in present day.
Speaker 1: Not not in present day. And I'm gonna say that
Speaker 1: because I don't want it to be awkward if I
Speaker 1: ever run into this person again. Not in present day,
Speaker 1: but once upon a time. You know, Jesus has are
Speaker 1: you attracted? No? I had no, Not to Jesus. It's
Speaker 1: not even Sunday if you don't go back and tell
Speaker 1: her who Okay? Um, oh Jesus, guys, I think my
Speaker 1: hip Hello. No, Nope, that's microphone. Don't standard. You can't
Speaker 1: hold them to a standard. You can't hold yourself too.
Speaker 1: So if you want to talk about it, Jesus, Oh,
Speaker 1: y'all don't even y'all don't know him not he goes
Speaker 1: to a different school. I hate that wasn't the question.
Speaker 1: If you don't answer the question, I don't want to
Speaker 1: play Dave bon we have all Nope, Nope, you can't
Speaker 1: be weak. You've been You literally just said on this
Speaker 1: podcast and called out Tory and Nisa for not answering
Speaker 1: questions one question all season and you're not gonna answer. Okay,
Speaker 1: so um not the inc On Final Reckoning, which was
Speaker 1: my first season, I did. I. I was attracted to Nelson,
Speaker 1: but what who? I thought I was gonna be a bitch.
Speaker 1: But it was before he started talking. Once we got
Speaker 1: a conversation, I was like, oh no, this isn't gonna work.
Speaker 1: And then I just love the next time he sees you,
Speaker 1: he's gonna no. No, no, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 1: there's not a thing. There's nothing. It's not a thing.
Speaker 1: Oh but this is this is how we were able
Speaker 1: to connect because we're both from Eaglewood. We both would
Speaker 1: have conversations about where we grew up at him, her
Speaker 1: trying to rationalize it, she has to wow, Devon and Nelson.
Speaker 1: Somebody listening put together a mean, that's not the two
Speaker 1: of them. Please, I will retweet it. I will post
Speaker 1: it across the Devon's walking on stage and he's just
Speaker 1: sitting there. Yes, we just got to put him in there.
Speaker 1: It's okay. But the no one like the one that
Speaker 1: everybody knows about is THEO. Like I thought THEO was attractive,
Speaker 1: but then that is fine. That was nowhere. I have
Speaker 1: seen him in person, but I think he's attractive. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was Nelson. It was oh yeah, I got so
Speaker 1: much camp stuff that y'all don't know about and y'all
Speaker 1: never will. And that concludes our podcast. That's out. We
Speaker 1: finally got her to answer a question. I feel so
Speaker 1: good about it. Now we got to get Davon and
Speaker 1: Nelson to get done with you. Devin, relax, we're supposed
Speaker 1: to You're supposed to counsel him and match him somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I know I wouldn't do that to Nelson, what I mean,
Speaker 1: so I love them both very much. This is wow.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming either. That was not that
Speaker 1: was not on the bingo card. I'm glad I have
Speaker 1: this time with you, ladies. It has been real. Oh.
Speaker 1: I love you guys so much. Sisterhood it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think where Rider dies at this point, at this
Speaker 1: point four pas in a podcast. Oh you better hold
Speaker 1: on to that before better get the rights to that
Speaker 1: right now? So so so, Tori. That means you're not
Speaker 1: putting me into elimination. I can you imagine if we
Speaker 1: were all on a scene together, I know, like, actually
Speaker 1: we can't, we actually can't. We have an alliance. I
Speaker 1: guess that actually be pretty funny. I imagine me standing
Speaker 1: down there. You broke the pea code, broke right like Nelson,
Speaker 1: go get your girl right? No, all right, well you listen,
Speaker 1: you guys, Davon tell people where they can follow you
Speaker 1: and send you beautiful pictures of Nelson. Let's not, let's
Speaker 1: let's not. Just just don't send me no pictures of
Speaker 1: nobody unlessage Jesus or scriptures. Um you can. You can't
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Dave Davon, Underscore, Instagram, day Lion, Diane
Speaker 1: Underscore Devin. When we're going to people find you, I
Speaker 1: can't even talk. I was waiting for you to say YouTube,
Speaker 1: but she didn't say. Wow. You guys can find me
Speaker 1: on my website Devin Simone dot com at seven with
Speaker 1: a why Simone with an eye. You can also find
Speaker 1: me on I g at Devin Simone, TikTok at Devin Simone.
Speaker 1: You can also follow me on Amazon, so go to
Speaker 1: amazon dot com, slash shop slash Devin Simone. When I'll
Speaker 1: give you shout outs there, Torrey, where can they find you?
Speaker 1: Clickity clack girl, black ybody else alone? Um, well, you
Speaker 1: guys can follow me at Tory Underscore deal and please,
Speaker 1: if you like this podcast, rate and review it, send
Speaker 1: us some love because you know I read them now so,
Speaker 1: but any where can we follow you? That's why you
Speaker 1: got that attitude. She was like, we almost forgot our friend. Um,
Speaker 1: you guys can follow me. I'll be left in the
Speaker 1: background at Anissa MTV on Instagram. I peaked on Twitter
Speaker 1: and I didn't find anything that exciting, so I still
Speaker 1: don't really deal with it. So you can just find
Speaker 1: me on Instagram and yeah, right, and with Lewis, and
Speaker 1: you're on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, and tell a friend,
Speaker 1: tell everyone, and you can catch the Challenge World Championship
Speaker 1: start in March eighth on Paramount Plus. Yes, and you
Speaker 1: can catch Davon and Nelson if you look really closely,
Speaker 1: So keep your eyes out for that and we'll see
Speaker 1: you back here right after that for a brand new
Speaker 1: episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast, or peas in a
Speaker 1: podcast way Out