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Speaker 2: I got to run through almost everything you and I

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Speaker 2: missed from Friday. On yesterday show, there was one other

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Speaker 1: You know, we have new shows that were announced last week.

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Speaker 2: One of them is Bucco Territory and I've had a

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Speaker 2: long rides lately, so I've been listening to all of

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Speaker 2: those shows. It's it's only been a few episodes so far.

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Speaker 2: And they had one part where they were talking about

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Speaker 2: the free agency wish list for the Pirates and on

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Speaker 2: Friday and they broke the news to Josh Harrison that

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Speaker 2: the last time they signed a multi year contract for

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Speaker 2: a free agent was a von Nova in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: The Harrison reaction was so good, maybe we can you

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Speaker 2: know what, let's sees this, Maybe we can show it

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Speaker 2: again in flappands for aj to live react because it

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Speaker 2: was that good.

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Speaker 1: It was genuine. Josh didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're not paying attention because they don't advertise that,

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Speaker 3: of course not.

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Speaker 2: And you're not going to see that on many other shows.

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Speaker 2: So you know what list He had a great wish list,

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Speaker 2: but they broke the.

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Speaker 3: New I'm sure he was probably like, oh, Kyle Tucker

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Speaker 2: They did usually do like four categories. They did like

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Speaker 3: Then, which is everybody.

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Speaker 2: Basically everybody's unrealistic, besides the last one they did, which

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Speaker 2: was one year death.

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Speaker 1: Signings, it's true, which is what they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's when it came up because they were like, Josh,

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Speaker 2: just so you know, von Nova, they said the last

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Speaker 2: guy that was signed, you were on the team, and

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Speaker 2: he was like oh and they were like Nova and

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Speaker 2: He's like, what.

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Speaker 3: Nova was after Russell? Yeah, yeah, he was after Russell

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Speaker 3: Martin obviously.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, Russell Martin was a little before that.

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Speaker 3: Burnett was traded there, right, he wasn't signed now it

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Speaker 3: was a one year deal. Russell Martin was in fourteen.

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Speaker 3: They got him in the off season.

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Speaker 2: No, three year seventeen, I believe, because I think that's

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Speaker 2: the largest they've ever given out in free agency.

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Speaker 1: It's sad that I have always memorized.

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Speaker 3: That's the biggest project you've ever signed in free agency.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Russell martinsent sure.

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Speaker 3: So we're seven, twelve, twelve, thirteen and then fit Or

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Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen, and then in fifteen, Martin signed with the

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Speaker 3: Blue Jays off season fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: With Toronto he signed five years eighty two. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: almost positive it's the largest.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Two years seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's insane. Yeah, how's Bob gonna do anything when

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Speaker 3: they get the h when they get a salary camp,

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Speaker 3: how's he going to be able to afford it?

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Speaker 1: Well, we would have to have a floor. But that's anyway.

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Speaker 1: Let's charge charge.

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Speaker 2: Awards week and we start with Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 2: Nick Kurtz unanimous duh. Incredible offensive season from me. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean if anyone didn't vote for him, it would

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The only I mean, the only thing he wondered

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Speaker 3: But yeah, this was this was pretty pretty, pretty easy

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kurtz's offensive season was insane.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah for Homer game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it started late a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I believe May. His first home run, I know was

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Speaker 3: It's incredible. You don't see I mean, I want to

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Speaker 3: always impressive when you see when you see rookies getting

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Speaker 1: Many games played.

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Speaker 2: I mean, MVP votes will be tough, just because it's

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventeen games played for eighty nine played appearances.

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Speaker 3: Jacob Wilson had this locked up and then he was like,

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Speaker 3: I got hurt saying it he did make that teammates.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, if Jacob Wilson didn't get.

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Speaker 3: Hurt and still play, Kurtz still might have got him.

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Speaker 1: He still would have lost.

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Speaker 3: No, No, Wilson, Wilson wouldn't have gotten him.

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Speaker 1: Right, Kurtz was winning no matter what.

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Speaker 2: Even if Jacob Wilson played a full season, it would

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Speaker 1: It's not historic. It's not Nick Kurtz.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not even close. I mean it's really not. I

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Speaker 3: love when I love when it's unanimous and like it

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Speaker 3: should be unanimous. Like, I don't see how Jacob Wilson

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Speaker 3: he was the second best rookie this year. But I

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Speaker 3: mean Jacob Wilson, he was hitting. He was leading the

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anthony received three second place votes, twenty three second place

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Speaker 2: a fourth and a fifth pegged to his name, But

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Speaker 1: Call him up.

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Speaker 2: Thirty six homers, one hundred and seventeen games. The OPS

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Speaker 2: one seventy three is superstar. That tied him with Jose.

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Speaker 3: Don't say the no, you're wrong, it's wrong. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: that year is wrong. Don't say it. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: But the stats not right.

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Speaker 3: It might be the staff of the year is wrong.

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Speaker 3: I know he wasn't on the White Sox in twenty

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Speaker 1: It's just the wrong years.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say the year.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to say it with the right year

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Speaker 2: and thank you. Twenty fourteen him with Jose Brady twenty

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Speaker 3: Plus tax, josea braid is twenty seven, Kurts is twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Good call, that's true. M hm, that matters.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I played against in twenty ten when he

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Speaker 3: this dude is like he's a grown man, and he

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Speaker 2: Had a very successful run, had a great run, And Kurtz,

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Speaker 2: I mean at twenty two, you know, it feels like

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Speaker 3: They really ended in an opening day.

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Speaker 2: It really ended in May. And this is why you

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Speaker 2: And most of the world doesn't know these guys, but

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Speaker 3: But just to remind you, just do this over here,

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Speaker 3: they're supposed to be better. Yeah, and then they have

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Speaker 3: Why I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they have good second halves.

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Speaker 3: You're always They've done this for like a bunch of

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Speaker 3: years in a row. Now, why do they always have

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Speaker 3: been learning? They're learning learning. But they've also got a

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Speaker 3: while Bla Day, Rooker, Langeliers. These guys have been around

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Speaker 3: for a little while now. It's not like these guys

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Speaker 1: Some of them had been big second half Soderstrom a

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, but why don't they do that in the

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Speaker 3: first half?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean the pitching was the problem overall.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Savarino how got off to a bad start, especially

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Speaker 2: There were a couple offenses in the second half of

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Speaker 2: nice second half offensively.

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Speaker 1: The pitching got a little bit better.

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Speaker 2: The White Sox, of course, it's a really nice second half.

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Speaker 2: Some rebuild teams that look better in the second half

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Speaker 2: of the season. But anyway, for kurts I mean, is

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Speaker 1: That's the at bat that you want. And he's big, big, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Baldwin wins Rookie of the Year in the National League.

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Speaker 2: I thought, I'll get you all these numbers. We might

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Speaker 2: Two for twenty five for Salvy for the next two years.

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Speaker 3: But agent, he's a free agent.

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Speaker 1: What do they do tandem? One can do some DH time.

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Speaker 1: You'll still it'll be a maybe a two third, one

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Speaker 3: That's that's I think you got a trade. I don't

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Speaker 2: They can absolutely trade him fifteen for a first division catcher.

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Speaker 2: You can trade him, Okay, I don't know. I feel

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Speaker 3: But I'm just I don't know. It's fascinating because now

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Speaker 1: He had hip surgery, that's no joke.

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Speaker 3: But if he's healthy, he's gonna want to catch.

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Speaker 2: I think they'll figure it out, and it is really

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Speaker 1: It's pretty valuable if you look.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the other three? I'll go quick because

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Speaker 2: And then the last thing that I really wanted to

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Speaker 2: That is very valuable for teams, but they lose it

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Speaker 1: Did you know that?

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Speaker 3: No? I didn't know that. What what kind of deal

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Speaker 3: do we?

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Speaker 1: Stupid? Are the rules?

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Speaker 3: Like? The rules are? So you wait, you get rewarded

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Speaker 3: Why do I don't The qualifying offer to me is

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Speaker 2: Here's a follow up to the Emmanuel Class Luis Orties

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Speaker 2: pitch rigging scandal. MLB and sports books came out and said,

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Speaker 2: they're going to limit prop bets very specifically on pitches

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Speaker 1: Or teas?

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing I have with this. We talked about

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Speaker 2: definitely somewhat biased on this. I like to bet I

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00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 2: think regulation has helped catch people. On the other side, here,

445
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: is this enough if you're truly trying to limit this

446
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: scenario because you can still bet on at bats. There

447
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: are a lot of other micro bets that you can

448
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: do crats and if I'm Class A and I'm like, okay,

449
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be difficult to make a lot of

450
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,239
Speaker 2: money on the v lo or the ball strike, there

451
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: are still a number of other props that he could

452
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: do and figure out, right, Like, I'm pretty sure. I mean,

453
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: you could bet on a walk, so instead of one

454
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 2: pitch off, he could walk one dude, and same thing

455
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 2: can happen.

456
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: So is this enough?

457
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: Where do we have to put some limits on more

458
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: things that involve individuals? Baseball gets tricky with that because

459
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: you can't impact the game individually and it doesn't.

460
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: Necessarily lead to a guarantee that it's going to impact

461
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: the result. Am I making sense there? Like? Are you

462
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: catching some one?

463
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 2: Or is Class A going to say, hey, I'm doing this,

464
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: I'm making five to seven grand whatever to try and

465
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: pull this off even though I'm a millionaire.

466
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: I'll just go to a different prop.

467
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: No, I don't think, I mean, I think it all lies.

468
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if changing the amount per like prop

469
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, because if you're if you're changing

470
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: the prop, then it's like, Okay, then I have to

471
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: change other props to me. They have to nail this suspension.

472
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: They have to nail this punishment, make an example out

473
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Speaker 3: of them. Maybe some people say it's unfair if he's

474
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: found guilty, which we're thinking possibly that's the case. They

475
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: got to nail. They have to nail them. They can't.

476
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: They can't say, well, you know the new landscape with gambling,

477
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 3: it's our partnerships. No, you have to squash this right

478
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: where it starts, because just like you guys were alluding to,

479
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 3: this wasn't the only case. This is a case of

480
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: hey found it because of the great regulations that we have. Yeah, right,

481
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: you know, as we talk about this so christ people

482
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: ask me this all the time. How and I try

483
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: to give an honest answer. And I've never been approached

484
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: about this, and I've never, thank god ever had to

485
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: think about this. But people say, how easy would it

486
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: be for you as a catcher to influence a game?

487
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: Change the not. I don't know if I could change

488
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 3: the outcome of a game, but on these micro bets,

489
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: I could definitely influence some things because you could call

490
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 3: for a pitch, call for pitches like if it's an

491
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: over under and it's close. Oh there's a guy on

492
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 3: third with two outs. Oh, pass ball or ball in

493
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: the dirt. I don't really give my a effort gets by.

494
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that you could do and

495
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: I never thought of. I've never really had to, Thank god.

496
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 3: I never would ever want to do that, like ever,

497
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 3: Like that would be the last thing because I'm way

498
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: too competitive and i would never do that. Plus it's

499
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: just not the right thing to do. But literally, but

500
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: but do you see what saying like as a catcher crotch,

501
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: think about like you get to a three to two

502
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: count and you're like, oh, which is what? Oh, this

503
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 3: guy can't throw this pitch for a strike. Let's call

504
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: that pitch and he walks a guy and they have

505
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 3: a there's a walk propt better. But this is my point,

506
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: there's there's there is a catch the one position. A

507
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 3: pitcher obviously could do these, but as a catcher, you

508
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 3: could definitely influence some things if you if you were

509
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: if you got if you were dumb enough to do.

510
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 2: This, does this limit the temptation at all? The answer

511
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: has to be yes, it should limit it at least

512
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 2: a little bit. It's a little bit more difficult for

513
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: somebody to make. You got to make it harder, like

514
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: for class A, even if he was like, you know what,

515
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 2: the only thing I can really handle is the ball

516
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: striker the VLO And you can still bet on that

517
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: they're knocking two hundred dollars bets. You're gonna have to

518
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: get a lot of people together to make serious money

519
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 2: to you know, quote make it worth his time. The

520
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: answer from others is, well, he wasn't making that much anyway, right,

521
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: But you still need a lot of people to get

522
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: together on a bet, right, I mean, you need a

523
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: lot of bets to be placed in a lot of books.

524
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: But then it would also open eyes when all of

525
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: a sudden like that's kind of what happened, is there

526
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: was all this money been on one pitch.

527
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They catch that stuff in five seconds. Now.

528
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: The reason it doesn't come out quickly is there's investigations.

529
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: The investigations are what take forever. They catch that.

530
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: In minutes and Andy pyees maybe I mean Andy Pyes,

531
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: he swung it to one in the dirt that was

532
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: three foot outside.

533
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: No, it was down, it wasn't outside, it was it

534
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: wasn't very close. Yeah.

535
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: But anyway, the point is does this help yes? Is

536
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: it enough for me?

537
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: No?

538
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: I would do some other limitations prop wise. I think

539
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: there are a few other things that you could look

540
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: at and say, hey, it would also help if we

541
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: limit some apat results.

542
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you need to put limits on it.

543
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm not I don't want to

544
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: make this good. I'm not saying any pies to anything.

545
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: It was just example they use.

546
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was the example they used it that

547
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: was supposed to be a pitch that was a ball,

548
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 3: and sometimes you guys swing at them.

549
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,479
Speaker 2: My point is yes, So if you want much more,

550
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: this is good point. Much more difficult for somebody to

551
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: implant a game decision or a over under right, Like

552
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: they can do it within the game, But if we're heading.

553
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: Micro bets are easier to manipulate, way easier to Like

554
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: if I'm a hitter and I'd tell hey, my first,

555
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: my first, my second at bat, I'm gonna swing at

556
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: the first pitch, no matter where it is, it will

557
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: be a strike. I could go up there and swing

558
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: and miss and it's seven feet outside. Those are limited now,

559
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: but it should be because that makes it tougher.

560
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: But if there's a hitter who wants to strike out

561
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: in this first step at it's usually pretty easy.

562
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: For them to do that.

563
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean someone's got to be really off

564
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: with their control.

565
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: Or you can strike out.

566
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: You can still swing though, I mean, let's say throw

567
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: it right at you. You can still swing.

568
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: But that's the point is should strikeouts be looked at?

569
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: And you're getting too deep? A red?

570
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Why am I getting too deep?

571
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: I think you have to start limiting everything. No, I

572
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 3: don't know.

573
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you have.

574
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: To limit everything. I'm just saying, are two categories enough?

575
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: Or should it be more like five or six? Why

576
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: is that so off?

577
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Most?

578
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 3: I mean you can just keep going and then because

579
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: everything you say, they can someone can know.

580
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: But if you keep going it, like you said, it's

581
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: much more difficult to influence that.

582
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: Right, like it. Somebody can always listen. Somebody can always

583
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: figure out a way to influence something if they're if

584
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: they're that far outside the box and that troubled and

585
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 3: that in need of stuff.

586
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: My point is with class A, I argy just everyone energy.

587
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: If what is.

588
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: Said is true, he probably looked at it crats like

589
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: pitch here and there over a ton of pitches over

590
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: a course of a whole season, no big deal and

591
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: pretty difficult to catch me on that one damn pitch

592
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 2: they did. No, you don't think I've got anything here

593
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: where it's like, hey, should we push it a little

594
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: more to a few other props That that to me.

595
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm bringing this up because also when I.

596
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: Look at the stuff, I look at the consensus from

597
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: fans and they're like, Eah, there's a few others I

598
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: can bring up that I think would help to maybe

599
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: steer tempt hait percentage down, or you could be on

600
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: the other side, you're like, you know what, if you're

601
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: that guy, you're gonna be that guy and you're gonna

602
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: figure out a way, So it doesn't really matter if

603
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: you limit the dollars.

604
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: He got caught too. Like, I think that's the I

605
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 3: think that's more limiting than any like amounts. That's more limiting, Like.

606
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: Oh, setting the example and catching someone.

607
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: Yes, that that is the biggest in my opinion. I mean,

608
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: when it was going through college basketball, they those guys

609
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: got those guys got theirs like they done. Career is over, no,

610
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: never a second chance. That's what they have to do.

611
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: They have to do that here again with class and

612
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: ortis well.

613
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: If the allegations are proven true to any extent, they're

614
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: never going to play baseball again, and they might face

615
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: jail time.

616
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: I would say those are pretty severe consequences. How much

617
00:28:59,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: work can you?

618
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't work for Pete Rose. He Rose did it,

619
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: he got banned for life. He's back though, Yeah, but

620
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: and definitely banned. It tells they want to they don't

621
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: want to deal with it anymore. So they want to

622
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: look like the good guy. That's why I said it.

623
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: That's why I said it. Don't don't try to be

624
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: the good guy. Don't try to be the like, oh, well,

625
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: you know what. I think he served his time. I

626
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: think like this is a major integrity. Honesty is huge

627
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: in our sport. If they don't, if they don't punish

628
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: guilty people, We're not assuming they're guilty yet, but if

629
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: they are seen found guilty, if they do not punish them,

630
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: from a Major League Baseball standpoint, then it's not gonna

631
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what you put the limits to, it

632
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: doesn't matter where it's at. There's gonna be people that

633
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: are like, eh, you know what, I'm willing to take

634
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: the chance. I'm not saying the majority. I'm saying they're

635
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: still those minorities. But you can never have integrity of

636
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: the game in question. In my opinion, it's like saying,

637
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: like if there was like owners that owned the team

638
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 3: that didn't try to put a winning team out there,

639
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: you could never have that.

640
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: Way we do way we do, or another sport where

641
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: you allegedly pay someone to avoid the salary cap. That

642
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: story is insane. Anyway, it's a good topic, you know.

643
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: They they felt like they made a lot of progress.

644
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: Oh Man for it, announced like he felt like that

645
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: was a good thing. It's something The question of the

646
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: of the day here was was it enough? Is that

647
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: enough to steer anything? There's no way to really know.

648
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: So that's all I got.

649
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: Manager of the Year. I think it's a highly debated

650
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: topic on what constitutes manager of the year when it

651
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: comes to awards. How do you look at this? I mean, guess,

652
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: give me your pick out of the three. We're gonna

653
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: pick from the finalists on who you think will win

654
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: and who should win. And we can start with nationally,

655
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: Terry Francona versus Pat Murphy versus Rob Thompson.

656
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: Terry Francona. Why because the Reds weren't expected to be

657
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: any good and they made the playoffs.

658
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: So that's your math.

659
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: That's I'm just thinking how most voter Rob Thompson. They're

660
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: gonna say, oh, they have this high pay roll. He

661
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: you know, they had a great record. Pat Murphy won

662
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: it last year, so they're gonna say, oh, I voted

663
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: for him last year. I don't want to do it again.

664
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Speaker 3: That's why I think it'll be Tito. Hope it is

665
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: because then we can finally get Tito on the show.

666
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: Right, So they're gonna say, krat we don't want the

667
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: same jokes from Pat Murphy at the awards event in January.

668
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: Who do you think will win? Who would you pick

669
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Speaker 1: to win?

670
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: Pat Murphy and Pat Murphy. I think they want to

671
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: get it right. I don't think it's one of those

672
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: awards where they're like, eh, you know what, let's spread

673
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: it around. I think it's hard to win, but I

674
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: also think it's hard to go from like where your

675
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: team was projected to where the Brewers ended up. And

676
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: I think that's really the discrepancy. I think Pat even

677
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: said it last year when we talked to them, like

678
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: It's like all the Manager of the Year award means

679
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: is that you your team did really good and everybody

680
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: thought you stunk. Beforehand, everybody thought the Brewers would be

681
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: kind of a five hundred team, and they were projected

682
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: to win eighty one or eighty games something like that,

683
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: which is the highest they'd ever been projected, and then

684
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: they went out and won the most games in all

685
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: the big leagues. So I think it's I think it's

686
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: Pat Murphy, and I think I think it's well deserved.

687
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think there's there's no shade

688
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: coming from me on this one.

689
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: I think writers look at it most and say predictions, projections,

690
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: who exceeded them and how, And I think there are

691
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: quite a few writers and sports media members who didn't

692
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: have the Brewers making the playoffs.

693
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: Well also, yeah, they also didn't have the Reds, And

694
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 3: think about I don't think Tito's ever won Has he

695
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: ever won Manager Year?

696
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: I think he probably has, but I can look at it, I.

697
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: Don't think he has, so I think also there's also

698
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: a little point of where I don't think he has

699
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: because he's always had good teams that were expected to win.

700
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: I really think he's every one, the Guardians, the Indians.

701
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: Never mind, he's won three times.

702
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: I think he's got But what's the.

703
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: Thirteen, sixteen, twenty two, there you go, and twenty five.

704
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: So he's going to be a four time now I

705
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 3: can still come on, you can still come on. Now

706
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: he has an open invite. He just you know.

707
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: I think the expectations for the Reds were pretty close

708
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: to the expectations for the Brewers, whether they should have

709
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: been or not.

710
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: But I just think people are going to look at

711
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: it and say that the Brewers kind of were, you know,

712
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: they didn't get up to they want to. They obviously

713
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: didn't get on to a great start, but they once

714
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: may hit, they just kind of kept going. The Reds

715
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: were kind of like and then all of a sudden

716
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: at the end they took off. And they're going to say, oh,

717
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: this was the manager. And again, it shouldn't be the

718
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: way when we get into the MVP discussion where it's

719
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: going to be the same thing. There is little bit

720
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: of fatigue about voting for the same guy two years

721
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: in a row. I get that, and we get to

722
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: the American League, it's going to be the same thing.

723
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: But did the Reds make it, or.

724
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 3: The Reds made it? Did the Reds made the playoffs?

725
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: I know, but the Reds made the playoffs, they didn't

726
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: go on?

727
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: Or did the Mets loose? Yeah, the Red's made the playoffs.

728
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: That's all I know. I prefer to look at it

729
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: from a positive standpoint. You guys are trying to bring

730
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: me down with the negative.

731
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: You're a glass that full, guy, We're not the American

732
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: League Manager of the year. Who do you think will win?

733
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: And who should win? John Schneider versus Steven Vote versus

734
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: Dan Wilson. That's a good competition, right.

735
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 3: Dan Wilson's out on this one. For me? Why just

736
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 3: because they've been close, they've been in the playoffs. John

737
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: Schneider is gonna win, He should win.

738
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: Wait, but why are you writing off Dan Wilson.

739
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: I just don't think he's the people don't know enough

740
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: about him. I just think he's, you know, the next catcher.

741
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: They don't get enough love. I wait, these guys are

742
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: all catchers.

743
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: Never mind they all won the division, I know, I know. Wait,

744
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: the Mariners never make the playoffs, I mean very rarely, right.

745
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: I just think I just think people are gonna look

746
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 3: at it and say John Schneider in the American League East,

747
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: there is a little bias there. They were they were

748
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: talking about it being fired before the year. He was

749
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 3: on the hot seat and the postseason doesn't matter. It's

750
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: to vote it before. But they won the East. They

751
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: beat the Yankees, they beat the Red Sox, and John Schneider,

752
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: after all that he's taking, is gonna gonna win.

753
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: For the record, I agree with you. I think Schnyder wins.

754
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 3: Us there's gonna be a little fatigue. We voted for

755
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: steam Boat last year.

756
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: Right, and.

757
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: The Guardians had a great run towards the end of

758
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: the year, but the Tigers also were.

759
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: So did the Tigers lose it or did the Guardians

760
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: win it? Well for me, but right back at.

761
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: You, the Tigers lost it and the Mets lost it,

762
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: and I think there's so then so.

763
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: Then he shouldn't get votes either. He just made my margament

764
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: for me. Thank you.

765
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: But I said, I agreed with you.

766
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 3: I know the crats is gonna say Vote's gonna win.

767
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: No, I think he's gonna say Schneider Kratz.

768
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: I think I think Schnyder's gonna win. But I think

769
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 3: Dan Wilson should be ahead of I know they don't

770
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: get out, you know what the voting was, but I

771
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 3: think I think Dan Wilson should be ahead. The fact

772
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: that the Mariners for years have just historically collapsed at

773
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: the end of the year, travel concerns, didn't trade for somebody,

774
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: whatever it is, that's what they do, that's what they've done.

775
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: And when they went in to Houston and swept the Astros,

776
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: I think Dan Wilson should deserve a lot of credit

777
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: for that. Did he have the MVP. Absolutely, Did he

778
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: get two big trade pieces at the trade deadline? Absolutely,

779
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: But he did something in a place where you know,

780
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: it hasn't been done before. So I think Dan Wilson

781
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 3: should be higher up there. But I think Schneid should

782
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: win it. I mean, one, I'm biased, he's my roommate. Two,

783
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: they had the second best record in all of baseball.

784
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: They did it in the American League East, and nobody

785
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: while people had picked them the last two years, they

786
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: had given up on picking them this year because they

787
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: finished last in the AL East last year and you

788
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: know see how close they got ye.

789
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: Last to first winning the East. I'm with you, Schneider.

790
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Yeah, they all had really strong

791
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: cases in the American League for what they did.

792
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: I just I just don't think Dan Wilson will get

793
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: the love.

794
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: There's some good chatter going on in the chat, some

795
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: people not loving Dan Wilson, but I think that is

796
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: probably the postseason that doesn't count. You're still had to

797
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: talk about it, but that doesn't count.

798
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: Huh. Listen, Dan Wilson had a great year. But I

799
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: also think they went in so the way I think

800
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: the voters look at manager of the years who went

801
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: into the season with the least amount of expectations and

802
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: who exceeded those expectations. The Marriers went into the year

803
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: and there were a lot of people are like, hey,

804
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: they're going to be pretty good. They should win eighty

805
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: they should win fifty four percent of their games. I

806
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: know that's what's kind of gone away now, but they

807
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: should win eighty five to ninety games. They won one

808
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: ninety games or whatever it was. And then whereas the

809
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: Guardian and the Blue Jays, the Guardians like, well, we

810
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: sold our whole team away. We don't have anybody. We

811
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: have no more Naylor. You know, da da da da dah.

812
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: So they're not really expected to win. They still win

813
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: the division. And then the Blue Jays finished last last

814
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: year in the East. I was supposed to be loaded,

815
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: and they won the division. So that's why as good

816
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: of a job as Dan Wilson did, I just think

817
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: the other two And it's that's why I think Tito too,

818
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: Because I think Tito. I think they're over under was

819
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: like seventy eight.

820
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: Or something going into the season, right.

821
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: So they exceeded those expectations. And the way the year ended,

822
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: people are going to say that was all Tito, because

823
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: Tito did this right people throughout the oh Tito September

824
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: stat or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So that's why I think

825
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: that that's why those two will win. Plus, they don't

826
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: want to see Pat's tired act again. They don't want

827
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: to see votes tired acting Manny tired acta.

828
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: I always like that.

829
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: Dan Wilson's bens coach as much as as much as listen,

830
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 3: we love Voter and we love Murph.

831
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: Don't underrate how much people love Murphy. Your great SoundBite,

832
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: he's entertaining as hell. That doesn't hurt you know, and hey,

833
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: in seriousness, if you're trying to be really serious with this.

834
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: His style is pretty different.

835
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: He'll be like, yeah, this guy, He'll essentially say it, yeah,

836
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: this guy sucked, bentioning him for a couple of days.

837
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Nobody does that anymore. That is a different style, and

838
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: clearly it worked in the regular season for the Brewers, right,

839
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: who else does that? I mean to use an example

840
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: like Aaron Boone will fight to the death in my

841
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: mind too much to be like, oh, you know he's

842
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: going through this that, or like come up with excuses

843
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: and Murphy's just like, yeah, he sucks. I told him

844
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: he sucks, and I call him some other name, you like,

845
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 2: makes a joke out of it, serious and kind of kidding.

846
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: And then he's like, so I bentioned for has.

847
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: Short legs and we got arrested.

848
00:39:48,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: We keep running around, remember that one.

849
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: Let's slap. First off, a new Monster Territory.

850
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Speaker 2: A Red Sox show is out there with Robbie Hyde

851
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: interviewing special guest Sam Kennedy, the president of the Boston

852
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: Red Sox. Great interview, very much worth a watch and

853
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: a listen. Maybe tomorrow we'll take a clip from that

854
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 2: show and have you guys break it down again. That's

855
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: Robbie Hyde with Sam Kennedy, President of the Boston Red

856
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: Sox for a deep dive combo.

857
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: Check it out. Next up, Kratz hats.

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Speaker 3: What do you got? COPA Diversity owned series for the

859
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Speaker 3: Scranton rail Riders. I really like it. I really like it.

860
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Speaker 3: I'm not even actually sure what the character is, but

861
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: i know it's the COPA Diversity owned series.

862
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: I really like it too.

863
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 2: And lastly, but most importantly, actually on our way out

864
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Speaker 2: today is veteran today, so we would like to honored

865
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: those that served. And here's a tweet from the Reds

866
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: and many other teams obviously putting things out on socials.

867
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Speaker 2: Thank you to all the courageous individuals who have served

868
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: our country.

869
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: So yesterday it comes to the golf tournament Folds of honor.

870
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: How was that big veterans in one your anniversary me

871
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: jumping out of a plane. So I was, it was great.

872
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: It was awesome. Listen, they do a great job. You

873
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: check my instagram. There's a great the service they did.

874
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: In before they play taps and they play all the

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Speaker 3: military songs, they do a twenty one gun salute, they

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Speaker 3: sing the anthem, it's moving, and then you have the veterans,

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Speaker 3: a lot of disabled veterans come and play golf with you.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's it's special. It's special. So thank you

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Speaker 3: for everyone that has served and people that are continuous serve.

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00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're always thinking about people like that, but today

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00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: extra extra attention. You're on Veterans Day, So if you're watching,

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00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: or some people are off from school or work or whatever,

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00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: we're here. We're hustling, but we're thinking about the bets.

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Speaker 2: I think MLB does a really nice job, by the way.

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Speaker 2: I mean we don't have Veterans Day during the season,

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00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: but Memorial Day, really anything related to service and the military.

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00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 2: MLB does a really nice job during the season too. Hey,

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Speaker 2: I can be as critical as anyone out there, but

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Speaker 2: they crush it on that front.

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Speaker 1: So thanks everyone. Good show.

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Speaker 2: We have Brit TROLLI hosting tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'm back on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Tricia Whitaker stopping by for a little hosting on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Switching it up, and I think, Krats.

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00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: You've got somebody Friday that's not Todd Father because I

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00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: think he's still away.

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Speaker 3: Kizzle Drizzle.

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Speaker 1: It is k Pizzle Drizzle. Tricia Kratz and Pollar on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Nice