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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today, we

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Speaker 2: have someone very big in the franchise that we haven't

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Speaker 2: had on the podcast yet. It is Mel Owens. He's

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Speaker 2: been a little bit of a controversial figure as the

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Speaker 2: lead of The Golden Bachelor, and now we have him

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Speaker 2: and we have a lot of questions that we're excited

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Speaker 2: to ask him. Hey, mel it is so nice to

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Speaker 2: meet you. We wanted you to come on our podcast,

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Speaker 2: but you were the one who reached out and use

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Speaker 2: you really you certainly showed interest in our dms that

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Speaker 2: you wanted to come on. Why is it that you

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Speaker 2: wanted to come on our podcast?

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Speaker 3: You know, you guys, you're famous for having the Bachelor show. Right,

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Speaker 3: it's not really you know, a Bachelor show unless it's

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Speaker 3: run your on your podcast, right you guys being here

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Speaker 3: for a decade, so ten years, yeah, decade, ten years?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: So no, yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's not complete unless we're on your show. And plus,

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Speaker 3: you know you had you had Cindy on, you had

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Speaker 3: uh my girl on, so this is like maybe sort

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Speaker 3: of complete the circle.

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Speaker 2: Well it sure does.

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Speaker 4: Who else from your season. Should we have on who

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Speaker 4: would be a good interview?

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Speaker 3: She probably have Peg on it. Again, she's such a

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Speaker 3: such a great job.

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Speaker 4: Well, outside of the people we've already had.

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Speaker 3: Who, no one that's ill one, no one, no one else.

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Speaker 4: There's nobody else on your season that you think would

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Speaker 4: give a good interview.

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Speaker 3: No, there's probably a lot of good interviews, but I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't recommend anybody coming on, you know, because you know,

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Speaker 3: there's there's only one winner right in its Peg, and

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Speaker 3: there's you know, and then the and then the runner up.

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Speaker 3: So everybody other than that, I mean, you know, did

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Speaker 3: you see the show? Did you watch it?

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Speaker 4: Oh, yes, we watched it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know, I mean you pick him.

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Speaker 4: Do you consider yourself a winner?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I'm happy I was on the show,

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Speaker 3: and I'm a winner because I found Peg and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but that's that's the truth. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: consider myself overall a winner because you know, I went

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Speaker 3: on the show to find someone, and I found someone.

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Speaker 2: How did you get on the show, Well, without.

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Speaker 3: Going into great detail, someone contacted me and then I

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Speaker 3: followed up and then you know, we went through the

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Speaker 3: necessary steps to confirm that that I would be the bachelor.

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Speaker 3: They you know, obviously they it's the first time that

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Speaker 3: they didn't pick someone from the alumni group. So they

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Speaker 3: reached out to me through some other people and then

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Speaker 3: we went through the whole interview process and they chose me.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting, Ashley. I don't know if you remember this

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Speaker 4: from our time on the show, but I was always

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Speaker 4: amazed at how good the casting directors were at finding

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Speaker 4: random people and like random cities. I remember, like Sean

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Speaker 4: Booth is an example, right, such a great iconic person

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Speaker 4: front of him said, would you want to go on

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Speaker 4: the show? Mel Do you have any idea how they

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Speaker 4: found you?

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Speaker 3: I just told you they reached out through some other people.

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Speaker 2: Like friends of friends and side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well you know, you know, as you know, because

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Speaker 3: you guys are veterans of the show. Once they find people,

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Speaker 3: you know, that's a network. So then they can reach

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Speaker 3: out to other people say do you know this person?

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Speaker 3: Do you know that person? So you know, in business,

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Speaker 3: you know, the best the best contacts are referrals, and

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Speaker 3: you know, you get to know the casting person, the

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Speaker 3: within that network, you find somebody. So that's how they

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't like you ever like signed up or

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Speaker 2: did the send in a video or questionnaire.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. I mean, I you know, eventually you got

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Speaker 3: of stuff. But no, I did not do that. They

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Speaker 3: located me. I was interested. I followed up. We had

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Speaker 3: the interviews, you know, I went to Los Angeles, met

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Speaker 4: I actually before we kick off, mel, I listened to

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Speaker 4: is Uh is well one has been one of the

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Speaker 4: most evergreen people, a part of the show. Also one

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Speaker 4: of my favorite humans I've ever met in my life.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Carrie Fetman. Carrie obviously was still a part

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Speaker 4: of your season. Carrie does the wardrobe for the bachelor, Uh,

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Speaker 4: How awesome is Carrie.

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Speaker 3: I can't say enough about that guy. That's my guy

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Speaker 3: when you know, when we started the show, they you know,

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Speaker 3: questions about, you know, how is your experience going after

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Speaker 3: it maybe two or three weeks. But you have to

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Speaker 3: get you know, fitted, and you have to meet with

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Speaker 3: different people, and you have to have the meetings with

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Speaker 3: the marketing and promotions people and they go, who's your guy,

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Speaker 3: I go, carries my guy, and they were they were

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Speaker 3: sort of surprised because he's not really supposed to be

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Speaker 3: like the guy. But he's my guy and always will

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Speaker 3: be my guy. Uh. He he treated me with respecting dignity,

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Speaker 3: and I just love this guy. Love this guy to

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Speaker 3: death death. He has more insight to the show than

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Speaker 3: anyone else and he shared that insight with me. And

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Speaker 3: actually he's the guy who guided me along. So I

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Speaker 3: spent most of the time with him. I woke up

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Speaker 2: They could have brought him on as your producer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. Well, I've always said Ashley and I don't.

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Speaker 4: You've obviously no Carrie. But when people ask, okay about

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Speaker 4: the Bachelor experience, it's a lonely island. At times you

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Speaker 4: have producers, you know that, I do think at times

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Speaker 4: have your best interests, at other times do not. And

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Speaker 4: it's hard to find kind of that confidant. And I

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Speaker 4: have always said Carrie femin was the confidant. He was

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Speaker 4: the one voice that I think, even now today as

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Speaker 4: I look back, he never never lied to me, never

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Speaker 4: lot of credit for the show being good for as

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Speaker 3: He knows what works and what doesn't work, not only

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Speaker 3: he doesn't give away secrets either, you know, he just

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Speaker 3: he just gives you, you know, ideas and suggestions, but

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Speaker 3: he doesn't give it away. And that's I think one

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Speaker 3: of the most important parts of Carrie being Carrie that

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Speaker 3: he has a lot of insight, but he doesn't give

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Speaker 2: Well, what was his insight on Peg and Cindy when

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Speaker 2: you were at the end with them.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you because that's between me

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Speaker 3: and Carrie, and Carrie's the one is given the insights.

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Speaker 3: So but he did though, he offered his opinions, and

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Speaker 3: I'm a guy who listens to opinions and takes takes

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Speaker 3: as we worked through the show. But that's between Carrie

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Speaker 4: Now we did, let's dive it a little bit to

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Speaker 4: the show. We did have Peg on Peg came on

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Speaker 4: in the podcast last week. She said that you're more

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Speaker 4: of a talker than the show portrayed you'd be. Is

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Why not? I mean, of course, But did you

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Speaker 3: see the any any parts of our instagram when we traveled?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you see? Okay, So you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, you've seen me with my friends, You've seen

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Speaker 3: me with Peg, You've seen me with you know, different cities, cities,

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Speaker 3: cities I've been in, cities I've never been in. We

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Speaker 3: went to Toronto and spent like four or five days

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Speaker 3: Then I've been to Rio, you know, over forty times. Right,

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Speaker 3: me interacting with different people in different environments. So you know,

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Speaker 3: this stuff is really not new to me as far

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Speaker 3: as you know, interacting with people. I'm an attorney. You know,

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Speaker 3: I've been an attorney for over twenty years, and I

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Speaker 3: so we're all good.

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Speaker 2: You Well, Peg was actually telling us about your first

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Speaker 3: Well, again, I'm not the editor, I'm not the storyteller,

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Speaker 3: and you know that's, you know, way way above my expertise.

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Speaker 3: light moment. You know, these people are fun and PEG's

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Speaker 3: had a gift for me. And it was a artificial hip,

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Speaker 3: it was appropriate too. But again, I don't I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't edit the show.

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Speaker 4: You don't edit the show, which I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: so many cast members from the past would wish they

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Speaker 4: had some say in the editing process. But you have

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Speaker 4: watched now this season back and you've moved on now

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Speaker 4: into this new relationship, into the real world. But watching

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Speaker 4: the show. What was your overall like sentiment as each

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Speaker 4: Were you ever frustrated? Do you wish things would have

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, you know it's it's when you know

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Speaker 3: you know in the contract you can quitting time you want, right, but.

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Speaker 4: They can quit or leave. But you can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't. Oh you can't. No no no no, Ben

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Speaker 2: But isn't that the truth?

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Speaker 2: But then what would you have done well, Well, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know, Ben, what'd you do? Man? You said you

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's incorrect. She wanted to know about her where

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, I guess I don't remember the exact language.

436
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 4: Do you think the question was more pushing, like let's

437
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 4: get married? I mean peg last week, I guess convinced

438
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 4: me that, Hey, what you guys are doing is awesome.

439
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 4: You know, you're dating your love, you're traveling, you're having fun,

440
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 4: you know, and that works, and I think it does work.

441
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 4: I honestly, I've told Ashley so many times during the show,

442
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 4: I wish it would not end an engagement unless it

443
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: was the real deal, unless the two of them were like,

444
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 4: I cannot wait to propose to you. If not, you

445
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 4: just you do. You go off and you date and

446
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 4: you figure things out. Do you think Cindy was actually

447
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 4: not just asking you, hey, is there a chance that

448
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 4: we could be together into this, but actually saying I

449
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 4: want to be together and I want to get married.

450
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 3: Or she wanted to get married for sure. You remember

451
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: the big l and you loved you know, do death

452
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: do us part? She she was looking for the answer

453
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: about getting married, right, just like when you got on

454
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,239
Speaker 3: one knee right with your girl Lauren, right and you

455
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 3: call the dad up and you're all giddy about it

456
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: and you go, you know, I want to wake up

457
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 3: every night with every morning with you.

458
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 4: Is that what I said? That that was That's not

459
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 4: a dream anymore.

460
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: No, it's not you know, it wasn't and you were

461
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 3: together for you know, like thirteen months, and then there

462
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: wasn't any eleve anymore. So you know, love comes in

463
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: different in different different ways for different people. And she

464
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 3: she wanted to get married. She says, well, you know,

465
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm expecting to get married. And she goes,

466
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: I can't wait two years. Remember that these are the

467
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 3: words she was using. I can't wait two years. I go,

468
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: you know, my boys were still in school and and

469
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 3: so they're going to be you know, with me for

470
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 3: another year or two for sure. And so to me

471
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 3: she's I want to get married. I go, well, I

472
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: don't even know you, you know. And it made it

473
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 3: really easy when she quit. So then you have to

474
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: go through the whole speech about you know, you know,

475
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 3: letting the person go.

476
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 4: So it worked out, but I mean that does raise

477
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 4: in the question. I mean, all season, we obviously, as

478
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 4: you mentioned, Ashley was a huge fan of Cindy. We

479
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 4: were also a massive fan of Peg. We really enjoyed

480
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 4: the last I mean, I don't know if we knew

481
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 4: too many of the women, but the last like three

482
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 4: or four that were there at the end we just

483
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 4: really thought were fun and fascinating. We really didn't know

484
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 4: how this whole thing would shake out. But when did

485
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 4: you know Peg was the one? Then? Because we were

486
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 4: we were mixed. I think on how this would actually

487
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 4: end and who was right for you and not, so

488
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 4: when in your mind it go, no, Peg is the

489
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 4: one I want to end up with.

490
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: At the end of this, we got a show to make, okay,

491
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to give it away because that's

492
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 3: not the show there's it's you know, it's reality TV.

493
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: But you got to make a show as well, and

494
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: you can't. You can't at contrary to what the premise

495
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: of the show is. All the time, you have a

496
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: lot of leeway to do what you want. So I

497
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: just can't just go there, Hey, by the way, it's Peg,

498
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 3: we're leaving right. I could at the coliseum, I could

499
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: have said, hey, Peg, you know, like I've already chosen you.

500
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 3: I go this is this is this this thing, and

501
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: go that's not how that's not how it works.

502
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 4: But contractually, you could have.

503
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 3: Right, I could have. I could have. I could have,

504
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: But I told you, we got to show to make, okay,

505
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: So you know, and I understand, and I understand the

506
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: contract too, and and but anyway, so let's get back

507
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: on track here. So when when I saw Peg, I go, oh,

508
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: this this girl is a is someone I could I

509
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: could be drawn to because of her attitude, her energy,

510
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 3: you know, what she did in her life, and then

511
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: she was retired, and also she had connections to Orange County.

512
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: So all these things were drawing me toward her. Plus

513
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: when I got up when she got out of the

514
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 3: car and later on, you know, I had a crush

515
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: on her. I go, okay, this is the girl. You know,

516
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: this is the girl. This is the one that I

517
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: probably would choose. But again there's after a Peg, there's

518
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: ten other other women that came out. So I had

519
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: opened mind, open heart, and again Peg has to choose

520
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: me as well. But you know, as you go through

521
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: the show, like you Ben, you know, there's thirty women

522
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: and you sort of were drawn to like four and

523
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 3: then two, So well what about all the other ones? Well,

524
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: like your buddy said, just fire them, man, just you know,

525
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: make it quick, quick and easy. Right, you got you

526
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: got advice from your buddy, say, hey, man, just make

527
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 3: a clean get you know, cut them, you know, fire

528
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 3: them and move on. So you you you also have

529
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 3: an idea of who you're going to choose, because that's

530
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: the way life is. It's not like, oh, you know,

531
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: all twenty three are in play. They're not because you

532
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: you let I think we let six go the first night,

533
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: and like you said, you don't even know their names.

534
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: I did, actually, but you know, it's hard to you know,

535
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: like I didn't get to know them because for some

536
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: odd reason, they weren't part of the profile I moved on. So,

537
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: you know, was it Peggett right at jump? No, but

538
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: I did at the end hope that it was her,

539
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: but she had to choose me as well.

540
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: This is a little bit off the conversation that we're

541
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: on currently. But you didn't talk about your divorce a

542
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: ton on the show, little like you said that you

543
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: were divorced. Normally we get a little bit more of

544
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: a background story. Was that something that you were clear

545
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: with the producers ahead of time? You were like, I

546
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about the past too much.

547
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: No, I guest. I was upfront with him because I

548
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: had a great relationship with the producers, and I was

549
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: completely honest, and you know why, I actually I have

550
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 3: nothing to hide, sir. I'm sixty seven years old. I'm accomplished.

551
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 3: I've lived. I've lived a lot of my life. I

552
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: have a dream life. I'm not ashamed of anything I've done.

553
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: I got divorced, things happened. They asked me about it

554
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: because they want to know your background is what they

555
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: really want to know, because they don't want any surprises.

556
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: And I told them everything, and you know, and I

557
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: don't know where the question is going about sharing it

558
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: with anybody, but they already knew that the answer to

559
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: all those questions.

560
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: So I was up front, well, yeah, but I think

561
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 4: the question and Ashley tell me if I'm wrong. You know,

562
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 4: because you were the first they chose that has not

563
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 4: been a part of the franchise previously. We usually get

564
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 4: the an understanding of the lead before they're the lead,

565
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: right you're on the Bachelorette. You know, you get to

566
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,239
Speaker 4: know their insecurities, you get to know a little bit

567
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 4: of their history, a little bit of the things they've

568
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 4: been through, and then they become the lead and you're

569
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 4: rooting for them because you're like, goodness, this guy, you know,

570
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 4: he's been through it, he is accomplished, he's done all

571
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: this stuff. It's going to be so fun for him

572
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 4: to find that partner to continue life with. You didn't like,

573
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: we didn't have that with you. You came onto the show,

574
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: we knew nothing about you. If you weren't listening to

575
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: the podcast.

576
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: Then Ben Ben, come on, man, come on, what would

577
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: your boy Signetti google me?

578
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're asking, Yeah, I got more things on

579
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 5: the internet about me and what I've done all the

580
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 5: way through.

581
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: So to say you didn't know anything about me, that's

582
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: that's that's not true.

583
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: No, mel I actually would push back on that and

584
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: say that most fans of this show are watching the show.

585
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: Like I know, we see the headlines, we are on

586
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: social media, we're hearing the podcast all those things because

587
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: we're deeply involved in it. I do think we're still

588
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 4: a small demographic of the viewership. The people that are

589
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 4: watching it at the nursing homes, the families that are

590
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: gathering together to do like their big Monday night watch parties.

591
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: I don't assume that most of them are investigating the

592
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: show too much. I actually think they're watching the show

593
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 4: to get all the information they feel like they'll need

594
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 4: to be a fan of the show itself, and so

595
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: I think most seasons do a good job at presenting

596
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: who the characters are that people are going to be

597
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: watching for the entirety of the season. And I think

598
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: with you, Mel, you kind of just dove into it.

599
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: And maybe the expectation of the show was to google you,

600
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 4: but I don't assume that most people would do that,

601
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 4: especially when we're talking about the Golden franchise.

602
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: Well, it's available, that's a tool they can use. And

603
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: there's twenty three women and I sat down with every

604
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: single one of them, and I listened to every single

605
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: one of these questions and I answered him honestly. So

606
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: if they asked me a question, I answered it. And

607
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: the producers they also can tell a story because you know,

608
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: they have the background, they do the checks, they do

609
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: all the b rolls. They came to they came to

610
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: my home town in California, They went to University of

611
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: Michigan Film, They went to Detroit where I grew up

612
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: in my neighborhood. There's a couple guys that that I

613
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: grew up with that were there. There's a lot of

614
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: rich history there that they that they used. And you know,

615
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: if if if I was when I'm watching a show back,

616
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: I go, wow, they did a really really good job

617
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: of showcasing my history. Now I get everything, No, but

618
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: then that's for the contestants and the producers to bring out.

619
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: So I didn't know I did. I knew less about

620
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 3: the contestants, and they knew about me and the people

621
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: that are watching. If they want to, you know, dive

622
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: into it more, they can dive into it more. That's

623
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: what That's what the internet, in the in the social

624
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: media is about. And don't sell them short. They use

625
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: it too.

626
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Well.

627
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be super frank here. One of the things

628
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: you can find out on the internet is that your

629
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: ex wife is now married to a woman. And I

630
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: am interested as to how that didn't become a storyline

631
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: because it sounds like something the producers would definitely find interesting.

632
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: Well, you find it interesting, but I really don't care

633
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: quite frankly.

634
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: But it was like never something that you talked about

635
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: on camera.

636
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: What do you mean on camera?

637
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: Like on camera when you would talk about your past relationships,

638
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: like I feel like that's a big part of your past.

639
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they wanted they wanted to know how long

640
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: I was married, you know, the kids, and then once

641
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: my wife went on on her own journey, Ashley, I

642
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: don't care. I just I just don't care. I didn't

643
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: follow her story. I didn't follow her her love relationship.

644
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: I just wish the best for her, and I hope

645
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: she's happy. But what she does in her own personal

646
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: life has nothing to do with me on the show

647
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: at all. Zero.

648
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: It was something that we mentioned and respected, because I

649
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: do agree. I'm surprised that the show didn't try to

650
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 4: exploit it or use it or have you talk about

651
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: it in a more open dialogue, but we did say

652
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 4: that it was respectful. How close to your chest you

653
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: kind of kept that relationship because that wasn't necessarily your

654
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: story to tell, and like, as you just said it,

655
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 4: it's a story. Her story continues on past you, like

656
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 4: her life has gone on past you, just like years.

657
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: A part of the show, part of the show.

658
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I'm agreeing with you.

659
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: That's good.

660
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: It wasn't It wasn't necessarily I think it would have

661
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 4: felt a little bit I don't know dirty if they

662
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: would have like used that moment for you to bad

663
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 4: mouth or not that you would have, and I think

664
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: I respected the fact that you didn't do that. However,

665
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 4: she did speak out on you and for as respectful

666
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: I guess as you were of her, it did feel like,

667
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: you know, the closest person in your life that would

668
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 4: know how you walk through love and how you are

669
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 4: in relationship would be your ex wife, and she did

670
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 4: speak out on you. How did you handle that and

671
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: not kind of go back at her as an attorney,

672
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 4: as somebody who also you know, believes injustice and wants,

673
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: you know, the story to be told straight. How did

674
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: you not kind of double down and say, yeah, but

675
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 4: here's her story.

676
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: Because I have morals and I, like you, I have

677
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: faith right in principles, and me bashing somebody is not

678
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: going to help me. I moved on. I got my girl,

679
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: I found PEG. That's my enjoyment. So to put somebody

680
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: else down is not going to help me at all.

681
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: It's just not quite. Frankly, I really don't care. And

682
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: she could anything she wants about me, but I, you know,

683
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: has no bearing whatsoever on my life. Zero.

684
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 4: Well that's beautiful. I mean, that's good. That's good to

685
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: hear because I think it is a lesson that so

686
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: many contestants in the future and also contestants in the

687
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 4: past could learn from because the back and forth the

688
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: dragging down, the trying to get one up is a

689
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: consistent theme, and you know culture today, and I do

690
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: think it was. I just wanted to understand why you

691
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: didn't do it, and I think it's very.

692
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: Funny because that doesn't you know, it doesn't enter my

693
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: mind at all. I'm about, you know, positive energy, going forward,

694
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: living my life. I've had a dream life. I'm not

695
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 3: going to let anybody or anything tear me down. When

696
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: there's there's no consequence to that, there's nothing there for

697
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: me to comment on. I wish everybody their happiness and

698
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: hope they find their true peace and happiness and love.

699
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: I really do.

700
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: I want to get into your love in a second

701
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: about the melding of your families. But I do have

702
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: a one semi spicy question I asked. I gotta ask

703
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: you first. On the She's All Batch podcast last week,

704
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: you said that you used one word answers to a

705
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: lot of the questions in your interviews and such, because

706
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: you are being asked boring questions. I guess I'd love

707
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: for you to elaborate on that.

708
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: Look, if you're going to ask me a question like

709
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: I've been upfront with you right when you asked me questions. Right,

710
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: if the question is, are you know require a one

711
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: word answer, I'm going to give that to you. And

712
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: if they don't make sense to me, I don't I

713
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: don't have to answer. I don't have to uh So.

714
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: One of the one of the answers that I gave

715
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: when when Peg was asking at the beginning, she was

716
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: going on about what kind of guy, uh she was

717
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: looking for, and she goes, what about She goes, what

718
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 3: kind of you know? What are you looking like? I'm

719
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: looking for you like you word? They love that one?

720
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's the love that one.

721
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like the other ones. And you know, if

722
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: the if the question is, if the questions don't warrant

723
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, a bigger explanation, I'm not going to give

724
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: it to you. And again, I'm under no obligation to

725
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: answer a question that that requires more words other than

726
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: than than the words I give you.

727
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 2: When you said that, were you referring to the producers

728
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: questions or the women's questions in conversation not the producers.

729
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: I answered every every question.

730
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: That okay, all right?

731
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: You know everybody's like, oh, they're going to grill them.

732
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: They're going to grill them right, And then I saw

733
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: you with was it JoJo's brothers? Yes, that was good.

734
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 3: That was that they were good, and your little tongue

735
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 3: tied there two player, you know you didn't come up well, yes,

736
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: I mean Benn.

737
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: Then I thought, I let me finish. We can compare

738
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: and contry as experiences. I think at that point there

739
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 4: was an understanding that I wasn't. I was respectful enough

740
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: to not expect the women to have to ask questions

741
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: where I wouldn't explain myself in as much detail as

742
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 4: I could. That was a different situation that was at

743
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: the very end with a family who was protecting a

744
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 4: loved one. I get it. But I wasn't one word

745
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 4: answering them. I wasn't disrespectful.

746
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 3: Actually, you didn't come up with any answer because you're

747
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: looking at the guy and you were just listening to him,

748
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: and at the end you had a thing that's you're

749
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: going to find. I'm using that as an example because

750
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: you were the lead too, and so you know when

751
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: they go, oh, you know, you know Cindy's daughters like like,

752
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: I'm an attorney. I sit in depositions and trial where

753
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: like it's for real, right, they're probing for real, and

754
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: they're looking for any type of doors to open to

755
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 3: go into based on what you say. So I'm listening

756
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: to what they say and I'm answering the questions, so

757
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: you know, and you know, if they if they had

758
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 3: follow up questions, they would they could ask follow up

759
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: questions that I would have answered, but they left it

760
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: alone after that.

761
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: So, but you're an intimidating figure, mel I mean, I

762
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 4: want to push on you a little bit. From a

763
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 4: person who's been there to a person who's been there,

764
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: they're nervous. And if you're in a situation where there's

765
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: somebody that you're nervous to be around and you're trying,

766
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 4: to goodness gracious figure out how to break through and

767
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: connect at some level, and you're kind of giving them

768
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 4: a cold answer, They're going to just continue to get

769
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: more and more nervous and more and more disconnected from

770
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: you because you are in this situation and authority figure.

771
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: But I'm in their hometown and it's their their territory,

772
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 3: and they could have done their own research and ask questions.

773
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: They know more about their mother than I do, and

774
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: they can ask me questions. So yeah, you know, you

775
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: can get tongue tied a little bit. But you know,

776
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: come on, you know they're adults there. I think they're

777
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: all in their thirties, so it's not like they were

778
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: like teenagers.

779
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think it's just going to be become. That

780
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: was your that was how you view the situation. That's

781
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: how you walk through being the bachelor. And I think

782
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: that's what makes the show unique. Bese Every lead, bachelorette,

783
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: bachelor's experience is going to look different based on how

784
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 4: you kind of approach the situation.

785
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 3: Uh.

786
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 4: And I think that's what the show, why the show

787
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 4: can exist for twenty plus years is because as much

788
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 4: as the formula and maybe say the same, the characters

789
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 4: are different. The characters change, their personalities are different, and

790
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: that's why the show stays interesting. You know, you did

791
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: end up with Peg at the end of this it

792
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 4: was somebody that you were excited about from the beginning.

793
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: To end up with it sounds, uh, and that that

794
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: relationship has grown. You weren't interested in marriage because you

795
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: didn't think you knew the people, and I would probably agree.

796
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 4: I agree with that. Ninety nine percent of the time

797
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: people should come off the show and date. Sometimes it

798
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: does work. We have great examples of people that we

799
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: know and we love. Who said, goodness, gracious, I fell

800
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 4: in love with dude during the show. Marriage is the

801
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 4: only option here, and it's worked for him. But you

802
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 4: didn't feel like you knew them well enough to make

803
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: that commitment. And as we talked to PEG, it seems

804
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: like you guys have something really great going. What have

805
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: you learned about her now since the show has finished?

806
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: You know, obviously it's continuous. I've known her about six

807
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: months and she's everything that I thought she would be

808
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: plus more. You know, Obviously you find out that she's

809
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: very compassionate and very energetic, and very loving and committed

810
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: to the people that she cares about, and it's at

811
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: a really high level. And she's done so much in

812
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: her life and in her background where you know, she's

813
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: been in a spot where you know, she actually, you know,

814
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: had to save people, and you learned a lot from

815
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: those situations where you're you're never gonna, you know, say maybe,

816
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: or back down from helping someone. So I knew she

817
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: was great, I just didn't know how great she was.

818
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: And she's just really a beautiful person and I'm very

819
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 3: lucky to have her in my life.

820
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: Have your kids met yet?

821
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: Oh?

822
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they met her in Antiga.

823
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean, like, have the kids met yet

824
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: her daughter and your sons her daughter?

825
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: I think so, because I met I think at after

826
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 3: the final rows.

827
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: Okay, do you guys have any like family vacations planned?

828
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: Well? Maybe maybe. I mean, we're just starting this journey.

829
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 5: You know.

830
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: We came out of it, I think in November December.

831
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 3: Then wech the Ohio State game, you know, Michigan Ohiose State.

832
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: Then we went to Toronto in the reo. We're going

833
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl. So we're doing a lot of

834
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: stuff on our own and my you know, my boys

835
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: are in school and so they don't have a lot

836
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: of time where we're gonna get together right now. So

837
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: it's about it's about Peg and I right now. You know,

838
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: PEG's daughter has her own life, and my boys, you know,

839
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: have theirs, and so we're just trying to find out

840
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: about each other right now.

841
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 4: My final question for you, you went, you started this

842
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 4: process as the Golden Bachelor, open to finding somebody. Now

843
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: you're six months into dating Peg in the real world

844
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 4: outside of the show. Did the show give you everything

845
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 4: you hope for?

846
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: Everything? You know? You know, you know, the way you

847
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: talk about the show is the way I talk about

848
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: the show. You know, it gave you a a platform,

849
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: you know, like to be a more public facing person.

850
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: I had that in some respect where I already been

851
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: out there, but I was on the show to find someone.

852
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: And I was skeptical at the beginning because it's just

853
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: I just didn't didn't think it would be possible to

854
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: find someone that you know, matched my personality. But you know,

855
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: I got to find one person and and I found her,

856
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: and the show was everything I thought it was. I

857
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: would do it, you know, one hundred times over. Everybody

858
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: that was involved with it was great, great to me,

859
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: and you know, in the process lives on and and

860
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: I'm happy for it.

861
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: If you were skeptical and you didn't have marriage on

862
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: the mind, why did you decide to be the Golden Bachelor?

863
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: Well, I just told you, you know, I wanted to

864
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: find somebody, and I hadn't been dating. You know, I

865
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: had a couple of dates here, and there would be

866
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: people that I basically knew, but it wasn't like I

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Speaker 3: was out there flipping through you know, the the the

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Speaker 3: applications looking for people or going on dates, blind dates

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Speaker 3: or anything. So I was in a spot where I go,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I I you know what, now's I

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Speaker 3: think it's a time for me to go out and

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Speaker 3: and and do this. And it was a unique opportunity.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at my history, I've been very

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Speaker 3: lucky to do a lot of unique things and this

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Speaker 3: is just another thing that was very unique. And it

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Speaker 3: fit my profile at the time because I go, I'm

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Speaker 3: not dating and maybe I can find somebody and I did,

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Speaker 3: so from that standpoint, it was great.

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Speaker 2: My final question is of all the adventures that you

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Speaker 2: that you and Peg have done over the past six

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Speaker 2: months and all your experiences from the show, what's been

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Speaker 2: your favorite memory with Peg thus far.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a whole bunch of them, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to talk about when I saw her on the unicycle,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know at the mansion, which I was like,

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Speaker 3: why did they grow upring a unicycle?

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Speaker 2: That wasn't even more We heard that she hasn't taught

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Speaker 2: you how to use it yet, No, you know.

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Speaker 3: But I'd be great at it because you know, I

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Speaker 3: have balance and you know, athletic and stuff. Right. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: so my my, what makes me smiles, like when we're

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Speaker 3: going to Rio, and she was going, well, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: what's it like, you know, we're going on for a

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Speaker 3: long time. You know, what are we going to do?

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Speaker 3: And I know she was nervous about it. Right South America.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's in the southern hemisphere. You heard about

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Speaker 3: Oh it's dangerous, it's you know, it's Brazil. And I

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Speaker 3: knew she was going to love it. But I just

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Speaker 3: let her ease into it. Right. I go everybody that

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Speaker 3: I've ever you know that that knows about it, who's

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Speaker 3: come down there. It's extended everybody. So we were there

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Speaker 3: for maybe fifteen minutes. She was going, I'm staying here

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Speaker 3: for forever. I love that about her, right, that she

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Speaker 3: has all that energy. And she just was like so

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Speaker 3: happy that you know, she found a place, you know,

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Speaker 3: with me, and I was able to share it. And

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Speaker 3: you know, now that's our new favorite place, my new

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Speaker 3: favorite place, but her new favorite place.

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Speaker 2: All right. Well, I love that, And I hope that

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Speaker 2: you guys have more experiences like that. We are very

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Speaker 2: happy for you, and I hope we see these adventures

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Speaker 2: and Instagram posts from you for the next thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned alrighty well, thanks for joining us so much. Mel,

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate your time. Thike with that.

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Speaker 4: That's been an interview with the current or former whatever

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Speaker 4: you want to say, Golden Bachelor, Mel Owens. We have

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Speaker 4: more content coming your way here at the Almost Famous Podcast,

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Speaker 4: including a breakdown of the Mel and Peg interviews.

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Speaker 2: And so until next time, I've been Ben, I've Been Ashley.

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Speaker 2: See you guys.

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