WEBVTT - Soldier of Misfortune: Frank Sweeney, Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media. I'm so glad you decided to come

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<v Speaker 1>back for part two of the story of Frank Sweeney.

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<v Speaker 1>If you didn't hear part one, you really need to.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't the kind of story you can pick up

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<v Speaker 1>midway through. You missed a cop getting shot with a

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<v Speaker 1>machine gun in a New Jersey suburb, the Rhodesian bush War,

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<v Speaker 1>possible CIA involvement in an Australian political crisis, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>just about to pick up with our escaped spy. The

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<v Speaker 1>second forty years of Frank's life are just as weird

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<v Speaker 1>as the first forty. There's a serial killer, a mafia trial,

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<v Speaker 1>two different secret wives, and a lot of misuse of

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<v Speaker 1>the postal service. I'm Molly Conger, and this is weird,

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<v Speaker 1>little guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>When we left off last week, Frank was making friends

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. His new friend in nineteen seventy eight was

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Boyce, who had just been convicted of espionage for

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<v Speaker 1>selling documents he stole from his job as a CIA

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<v Speaker 1>contractor to the Soviets, and then he escaped from prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether or not Frank was still in custody on the

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<v Speaker 1>day Christopher boyce escape from prison is surprisingly hard to

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<v Speaker 1>pin down. Several newspaper articles about Frank's role in the

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<v Speaker 1>ensuing manhunt for the missing spy put his release a

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<v Speaker 1>month before the escape, but others put it a month after.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems like this detail would really matter, but no one

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<v Speaker 1>seemed very concerned about it. In nineteen eighty, newspapers that

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be quoting the same unnamed source from the

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<v Speaker 1>US Marshalls published conflicting stories, with some saying Frank flew

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<v Speaker 1>to South Africa shortly before Boyce's escape, and others putting

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<v Speaker 1>that trip slightly after the escape, although both of these

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<v Speaker 1>articles say it was exactly twenty three days after. But

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<v Speaker 1>in my frustrated search through forty year old newspapers trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out which prison Frank was calling home that year,

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<v Speaker 1>I found another surprise, another stabbing. Shortly after Frank was

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<v Speaker 1>transferred to a state prison in Maine in nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 1>he stabbed another inmate in the chest during an argument

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<v Speaker 1>in the prison library. And again we have this problem

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<v Speaker 1>that keeps coming up in Frank's life. He loves to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to reporters, and he loves to lie. It's the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>These reporters don't have the Internet. They don't have access

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<v Speaker 1>to electronic court records, so a lot of Frank's lies

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<v Speaker 1>get published. When he files a lawsuit against the prison

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<v Speaker 1>warden in Maine about the conditions in solitary confinement, newspapers

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<v Speaker 1>publish his claim that he was placed in solitary for

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<v Speaker 1>a stabbing he'd been suspected of, but he says the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation cleared him. A local newspaper in bang Or Main, however,

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<v Speaker 1>had a reporter in the courtroom when he entered a

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<v Speaker 1>guilty plea to that stabbing. But regardless of whether he

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<v Speaker 1>got out in December of seventy nine or February of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty, we know Frank flew to South Africa soon

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<v Speaker 1>after he got out, and that he stayed there for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months. The story of Christopher Boyce's nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>months on the Lamb is long and strange. Sean Penn

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<v Speaker 1>plays Boyce's friend, the cocaine dealer Dalton Lee in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty five film adaptation of the book The Falcon

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<v Speaker 1>and the Snowman about the entire affair, I didn't watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only so much I can do. But remember this

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<v Speaker 1>is the Cold War. A missing Soviet spy is a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big pr problem for the United States government. There

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<v Speaker 1>was speculation that the KGB had helped him escape. Boyce

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<v Speaker 1>himself called a reporter from a payphone a few months

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<v Speaker 1>after the escape and laughed about the idea that he'd

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<v Speaker 1>had foreign assistance. He says, he just climbed the fence

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<v Speaker 1>and walked out. The task force focused on finding boys

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<v Speaker 1>believed all along that he'd never actually left California, and

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't too far off. He was in Idaho the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time, But a lot of resources ended up getting

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<v Speaker 1>expended pursuing a false lead planted by our friend Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I can't prove Frank sent all of these letters himself.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even find contemporane his reporting where anyone ever

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<v Speaker 1>outright said that they believed Frank sent these letters. And

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<v Speaker 1>he was never charged in connection with his meddling in

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<v Speaker 1>this investigation. But just a few weeks after Boyce went missing,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States ambassador in South Africa got a letter.

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<v Speaker 1>The postmark indicated that had been mailed from within South Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>and the letter said a known mercenary named shell Hammer

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<v Speaker 1>had assisted the convicted American spy, Christopher Boyce in entering

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa by way of a fake passport. Now, who

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<v Speaker 1>do we know with a history of forging passports, of

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<v Speaker 1>mailing anonymous letters to officials in Southern Africa implicating himself

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<v Speaker 1>in crimes and using the pseudonym shell Hammer. And he

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely knew the FEDS would tie him to that alias

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<v Speaker 1>because it was the one he had used in those

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<v Speaker 1>classified ads in nineteen seventy six that put him in

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<v Speaker 1>prison for mail fraud. And Frank was in South Africa

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<v Speaker 1>in February of nineteen eighty when that letter was mailed.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems he wanted the authorities to know he was involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Why else would he write his own pseudonym into the story.

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<v Speaker 1>So FEDS quickly turned their attention to Frank. They placed

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<v Speaker 1>a tracking beacon on his car. They followed him for months,

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<v Speaker 1>and he probably knew he was being followed. They followed

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<v Speaker 1>him from his home in New Jersey all the way

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<v Speaker 1>out to California, and from a California motel, he made

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<v Speaker 1>several phone calls to an apartment in Hermosa Beach and

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<v Speaker 1>when they searched that apartment they found it abandoned, but

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<v Speaker 1>they found several letters that Frank had sent to a

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<v Speaker 1>third man, another friend of theirs, from prison, one of

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<v Speaker 1>which read somehow they discovered that I helped him get

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<v Speaker 1>into South Africa. I suspect an informer has been at work,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no informer. Frank wanted them to find

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<v Speaker 1>those letters, and Boyce was never in South Africa. The

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<v Speaker 1>only reason anyone thought Boyce might be in South Africa

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<v Speaker 1>is because Frank was planting false clues all over the

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<v Speaker 1>world to point them as far away as possible from

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<v Speaker 1>a little hunting cabin in the mountains of Idaho, US

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<v Speaker 1>Marshalls eventually got frustrated following Frank around. A federal prosecutor

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<v Speaker 1>would actually say an open court that Frank's arrest in

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<v Speaker 1>July of nineteen eighty one was specifically intended to give

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<v Speaker 1>them leverage to make him cooperate in the boy's case.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like he knew something and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>know what it was. As a felon, Frank wasn't allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to have any guns, and of course Frank had guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Did find one newspaper article that wrapped a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious sounding hint that they only picked Frank up for

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<v Speaker 1>that gun charge because of an anonymous tip, so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that was him too. But they picked him up in

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey at the end of July, and he pretended

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<v Speaker 1>to be very cooperative, telling them that he actually had

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<v Speaker 1>some documents that would leave them straight to boys and

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<v Speaker 1>he would happily show them to them. He voluntarily turned

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<v Speaker 1>over the key to the bank deposit box he was

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<v Speaker 1>keeping them in, and inside they found several letters to

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<v Speaker 1>Frank that had been mailed from South Africa. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>more red herrings planted by Frank. He'd flown to South

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<v Speaker 1>Africa several times in the year and a half since

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<v Speaker 1>his release and was probably mailing himself these letters on

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<v Speaker 1>those visits. So now in August of nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like there could be some evidence that Boyce

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<v Speaker 1>really was in South Africa. Frank says he was promised

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<v Speaker 1>placement in the Witness Protection program for his help, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they did make that promise if he really could

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<v Speaker 1>help them recover their missing spy, that's a reasonable enough deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And just a few weeks after all of Frank's help,

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<v Speaker 1>Boyce was recaptured, but it wasn't due in any part

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<v Speaker 1>to Frank's information during his year and a half on

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<v Speaker 1>the run. Boyce obviously couldn't get a job, so he

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<v Speaker 1>made money the old fashioned way bank robbery. He kept

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<v Speaker 1>it pretty small time, nothing flashy where you get into

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<v Speaker 1>the vault, just little stick ups a few thousand at

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<v Speaker 1>a time from the teller. He's tied to at least

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen bank robberies in Idaho and Washington State during that time,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually teaming up with a couple of brothers from Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was one of those men who turned boys

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<v Speaker 1>in for the reward money, no honor among thieves, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Boyce was taken back into custody on August twenty first,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one, and he wasn't in South Africa.

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<v Speaker 3>Nationwide flight ended for Christopher Boyce here at the pit

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<v Speaker 3>stop drive in at Port Angelus, Washington. He was eating

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<v Speaker 3>a cheeseburger and onion rings when eight federal agents jumped him.

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<v Speaker 3>Boyce was apparently living a triple.

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<v Speaker 1>Life, so franklyed obviously he lied pretty egregiously. He falsified documents,

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<v Speaker 1>He led US Marshalls and the CIA on an international

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<v Speaker 1>goose chase, and maybe that's why he never got charged

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<v Speaker 1>for it. That's pretty embarrassing to put on the record,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did still have that uncharged they'd picked him

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<v Speaker 1>up on to use his leverage, so they said a

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<v Speaker 1>sentencing date, but Frank didn't show up. He was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to skip the country again. Remember back in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six he got all the way to South Africa after

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<v Speaker 1>skipping his sentencing date for mail fraud. But this time

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<v Speaker 1>he was picked up just a few days after he

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<v Speaker 1>missed court when a motel clerk in Montvale, New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>recognized him. When he was finally dragged in for sentencing,

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<v Speaker 1>the government said they hoped Frank was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to help them in the boy's case, but nothing

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<v Speaker 1>he said was of any use. Frank said he had

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<v Speaker 1>no choice but to flee the country and start a

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<v Speaker 1>new life on a cattle ranch in Australia with his

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<v Speaker 1>wife because the government had renegged on their deal to

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<v Speaker 1>put him in witness protection. I have to imagine there

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<v Speaker 1>was some bickering back and forth between an indignant Frank

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<v Speaker 1>and an exasperated federal prosecutor, because in the end, Judge H.

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<v Speaker 1>Curtis Mener said, I have neither the time nor the

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<v Speaker 1>inclination to unravel all of the mysteries. In this case, however,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd all ended up in his court room. Whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>convoluted backstory is here, this is a sentencing or illegal

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<v Speaker 1>possession a firearm, and that's really all the judge can

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<v Speaker 1>do that day, so he sentenced Frank to four years.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Meaner said Frank was an explosive type of individual

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<v Speaker 1>and that he was dangerous and mentally sick, and he

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<v Speaker 1>urged Frank to take advantage of the opportunity to get

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatric help while he was in prison this time. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I did say wife. When I first started poking around

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<v Speaker 1>trying to build my biographical backstory, to sort of sketch

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<v Speaker 1>out a skeleton of this man's life, I found a

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<v Speaker 1>new Jersey state record for a marriage in August nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one between a Frank A. Sweeney and aDNA M.

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<v Speaker 1>Madison in Bergen County. There are other men named Frank Sweeney, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a middle initial match and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>right county, and it was one of the rare months

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<v Speaker 1>that Frank wasn't in prison. But it didn't seem right,

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<v Speaker 1>so I set it aside. But this offhand mention at

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<v Speaker 1>his sentencing hearing about a wife sent me back to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is him. After the FEDS picked him up at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of July nineteen eighty one on that gun charge,

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<v Speaker 1>he was released from custody. He was cooperating. He took

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<v Speaker 1>them to the bank to look at his fake evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>All that, and sometime that month he got married. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea how they met, or where she came from,

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<v Speaker 1>or what she thought she was going to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of any of this, or if she knew Frank was

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<v Speaker 1>planning on entering witness protection that month, or what on

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<v Speaker 1>earth she saw in this man. But I do know

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<v Speaker 1>how the marriage ended. Frank went back to prison that

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<v Speaker 1>very same year, so they didn't have much time together.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where Diana was while Frank was away,

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<v Speaker 1>But by nineteen eighty five, according to a decision by

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<v Speaker 1>the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, Dana was living in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas with her new boyfriend, Danny Lee Strong. They couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have known each other very long before moving in together

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<v Speaker 1>because Strong had only just gotten out of prison again

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<v Speaker 1>for another and a string of pretty run of the

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<v Speaker 1>mill robbery and fraud charges, and they didn't stay together

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<v Speaker 1>long before they were arrested for murdering a man Strong

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<v Speaker 1>said made a pass at Deanna. She was ultimately only

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of stealing the victim's car, which they fled the

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<v Speaker 1>scene in, but Strong got ninety nine years for the

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<v Speaker 1>brutal beating and asphyxiation of Robert Eugene Thomas. Frank doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really factor into this story. He's in prison in another

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<v Speaker 1>state this whole time, but his name appears in a

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<v Speaker 1>footnote of an appeals court decision upholding Strong's conviction. Strong

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<v Speaker 1>had sent Frank a letter after finding out that Deanna

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<v Speaker 1>was planning to testify against him for the murder. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine what you write in a letter to your

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend's husband about a situation like this. But all that

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Frank really did have a wife that he

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<v Speaker 1>planned to start a new life with in Australia, but

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<v Speaker 1>she ended up watching her boyfriend choke a man to

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<v Speaker 1>death in an apartment in Fort Worth instead. On January ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two, the UVA men's basketball team lost to

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<v Speaker 1>the tar Heels in a close game, sixty to sixty

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<v Speaker 1>five at UNC's Carmichael Arena. I'm not a basketball fan,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't born then, but I guess it was

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<v Speaker 1>an exciting game. Unc had knocked Uva out of the

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<v Speaker 1>Final four the year before. But Joseph Paul Franklin, an

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<v Speaker 1>avowed neo Nazi who'd recently been handed his first couple

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<v Speaker 1>of life sentences for two of his many murders, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>care much for basketball. He was in the wreck room

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<v Speaker 1>at the Medical Center for Federal Prisoners in Springfield, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was trying to watch American bandstand. According to

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<v Speaker 1>frank whose time at the Springfield prison overlapped with Franklins

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<v Speaker 1>for a few weeks in nineteen eighty one until Franklin's

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<v Speaker 1>transfer at the end of January nineteen eighty two, the

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<v Speaker 1>serial killer became enraged when a black prison guard changed

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<v Speaker 1>the channel. Later that year, Joseph Paul Franklin was back

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<v Speaker 1>in court. He'd spent years traveling the country, robbing banks

0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.840
<v Speaker 1>and murdering young black men in in racial couples, so

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<v Speaker 1>it would take years to sort out what to do

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<v Speaker 1>with him. This time, he was on trial for the

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<v Speaker 1>unsuccessful assassination attempt on civil rights activists Vernon Jordan on

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty ninth, nineteen eighty The Fort Wayne, Indiana chapter

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<v Speaker 1>of the National Urban League was hosting a banquet in

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<v Speaker 1>honor of a visit from National Urban League President Vernin Jordan,

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<v Speaker 1>when a volunteer dropped him off at his hotel. Later

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<v Speaker 1>that evening, a single bullet from a thirty six rifle

0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:29.000
<v Speaker 1>tore through his back. He survived, but it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>build a case against a drifter sniper. Nobody saw him.

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<v Speaker 1>The investigators had some handwriting analysis on a motel registration card,

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<v Speaker 1>testimony from a grocery store clerk who identified Franklin as

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<v Speaker 1>a man he'd had a strange conversation with, and a

0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.000
<v Speaker 1>general idea that the crime fit Franklin's pattern, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a bit thin. And then came frank Oh, frank

0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.840
<v Speaker 1>loves to talk, he loves to be helpful. He's still

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<v Speaker 1>in prison on that gun charge, but he told federal

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<v Speaker 1>authorities that in the brief couple of weeks he'd been

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<v Speaker 1>on the same s cell block as Franklin. They chatted

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<v Speaker 1>a few times, and Franklin had confessed to him on

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<v Speaker 1>several occasions about shooting Vernon Jordan. On the stand, frank

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<v Speaker 1>testified about that evening in January when the guard changed

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<v Speaker 1>the channel to the basketball game and it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good detail. Frank was very specific that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>Uva UNC game that we couldn't recall the date. They

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<v Speaker 1>were only on that cell block together for a few weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was in fact a Uva UNC basketball game

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<v Speaker 1>during that time period that would have been on television.

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<v Speaker 1>He testified that Franklin was furious about the incident and

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<v Speaker 1>spent days fuming about it. The two inmates were walking

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<v Speaker 1>together in the exercise area a few days later when

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin spotted that same guard again and turned to frank

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<v Speaker 1>and said, I'd like to blow him away, like I

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<v Speaker 1>shot that and were big wig in Indiana. Frank says.

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<v Speaker 1>He also lamented that Jordan just wouldn't die after being shot,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he was sorry I didn't shoot that white

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<v Speaker 1>slut first, referring to the white woman who'd given Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>a ride that night. Frank was one of three jail

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<v Speaker 1>house informants the government put on during that trial, all

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<v Speaker 1>men who'd been in jail with Franklin, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>whom said Franklin had admitted to various aspects of the

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<v Speaker 1>crime and casual conversation. Josephaul Franklin was actually acquitted at

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<v Speaker 1>that federal trial, jurors said they believed Franklin shot Jordan,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were hung up on the wording of the indictment,

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<v Speaker 1>which specifically charged him with the shooting as a violation

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<v Speaker 1>of Jordan's civil rights. Years later, on death row for

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<v Speaker 1>a variety of other murders, Franklin did confess to shooting

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<v Speaker 1>Vernon Jordan when the trial was over, though jurors who

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to the press said they'd only believed one of

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<v Speaker 1>the three jail house informants who testified frank On cross examination,

0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.520
<v Speaker 1>frank Sweeney seemed surprised to learn that the other two

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<v Speaker 1>men had been paid thousands of dollars for their cooperation.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't getting paid, but he wasn't upset. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need the money. He'd inherited a quarter of million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be about a million dollars today. When his

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<v Speaker 1>parents died. All he wanted was witness protection, then a

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<v Speaker 1>positive letter to the New Jersey Parole Board. Just like

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<v Speaker 1>in the boy's case, he very conveniently had some information

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<v Speaker 1>the government wanted, and all he wanted in return was

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<v Speaker 1>witness protection. And this time it got it. But he

0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't get to keep it. In nineteen eighty four, Frank

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<v Speaker 1>filed a lawsuit against the warden of the Alabama prison

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<v Speaker 1>where he was still serving his sentence on that gun charge.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he was not receiving the protection afforded to

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<v Speaker 1>him as a protected witness. The warden's response to the

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<v Speaker 1>suit was that Frank would not stop telling people that

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<v Speaker 1>he was a protected witness, which was causing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of problems. You're not supposed to do that in court.

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<v Speaker 1>The warden's executive assistant said that the prison was considering

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<v Speaker 1>contacting in the Office of Enforcement Operations, the division of

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<v Speaker 1>the DOJ that administers the Witness Security program, to recommend

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<v Speaker 1>his removal from the program because they believed he was

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally causing problem by talking about this constantly. And it

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<v Speaker 1>seems he was ultimately removed from the Witness Security program

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<v Speaker 1>around this time, and maybe that had something to do

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<v Speaker 1>with his decision to testify on behalf of Anthony Spalotro,

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<v Speaker 1>the hot headed Chicago mobster who handled the family's business

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<v Speaker 1>in Las Vegas. It couldn't have been an attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>get back in the program. He was testifying for the defense,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe he was just spiite. He wanted to get

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else kicked out of the program. In nineteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 1>when he was still in prison and still considered a

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<v Speaker 1>protected witness, he briefly shared a cell with another guy

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<v Speaker 1>in the program. Frank Kulatta was a mobster. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a member of Tony Spilotro's Hole in the Wall gang.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've seen the nineteen ninety five Scorsese movie Casino,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that quite literally. Frank Marino, the character played by

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who played Phil Leotardo on The Sopranos, is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be Frank Kulatta. Joe Peshi's character, Nikison Toro

0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.800
<v Speaker 1>is based on Tony Spilotrow. Just watch the movie. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all very complicated, and our friend Frank Sweeney had nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with it. But in nineteen eighty three, the

0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.720
<v Speaker 1>real life Frank Kulata was sharing a cell with Frank

0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Sweeney because they had both turned state's witness against very

0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.320
<v Speaker 1>dangerous men. Frank Sweeney had just testified against a serial

0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.399
<v Speaker 1>killer and Frank Kulatta had turned on Spilotro after the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI played him a recording of his friend talking about

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<v Speaker 1>having him killed. When Anthony Spilotro went on trial, in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty six, Frank Kulatta was out of prison and

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<v Speaker 1>in the program, and he was the government's star witness

0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:40.000
<v Speaker 1>against Spilotroe. Frank Sweeney was finally out of prison again

0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:41.600
<v Speaker 1>in home in New Jersey when he read in the

0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:45.840
<v Speaker 1>paper that Kulata was going to be testifying. According to Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>he felt compelled to contact Spilotro's defense attorney because when

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<v Speaker 1>they were cell mates, Culata would often brag about committing perjury,

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<v Speaker 1>So the defense flew Frank out to Las Vegas and

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<v Speaker 1>put him on the stand. He claimed that after one

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<v Speaker 1>of Coulada's appearances in court back in nineteen eighty three,

0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.360
<v Speaker 1>he came back to their shared cell and bragged, Frankie,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd just put another one away. You've heard of the

0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:15.080
<v Speaker 1>traveling circus. I'm the original traveling perjurer. On cross examination,

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Sweeney admitted that when he'd been in the witness

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<v Speaker 1>protection program, he had on several occasions threatened and even

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<v Speaker 1>faked suicide attempts to get what he wanted out of

0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 1>federal prosecutors. I wish I had more information on that.

0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.600
<v Speaker 1>That is incredibly strange behavior, and it does actually happen again.

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<v Speaker 1>Later in the end, though his testimony in that mob

0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.119
<v Speaker 1>trial is just a strange little footnote his third brush

0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.760
<v Speaker 1>with the witness protection program, his testimony didn't matter much.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone believed it, and the case ended

0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.800
<v Speaker 1>in a mistrial over allegations of jury tampering, and Anthony

0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Spilotro went missing before they could retry the case. The

0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:56.840
<v Speaker 1>mobster and his brother were later found buried in a

0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.159
<v Speaker 1>cornfield in Indiana. Frank Kula stayed in the witness Protection

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.919
<v Speaker 1>program for years, and Scorsese hired him as an onset

0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.439
<v Speaker 1>adviser when he shot Casino. Klada died of COVID in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, and in nineteen eighty nine, Frank went back

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<v Speaker 1>to prison for mail fraud. Again. The court record is

0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.960
<v Speaker 1>too old to get any documents without haggling with an archivist,

0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.679
<v Speaker 1>but the docket sheet does say that, in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>another fifty seven months in prison, the judge also banned

0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Frank from ever offering anything for sale by mail. So

0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.800
<v Speaker 1>at first I assumed he was pulling the same scam

0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.560
<v Speaker 1>he ran in nineteen seventy six, where he placed ads

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<v Speaker 1>for guns he didn't actually have and then ghosted would

0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.119
<v Speaker 1>be buyers after they sent him the money. But it's

0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.560
<v Speaker 1>much weirder than that. I wish it was guns. It

0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.360
<v Speaker 1>wasn't guns. This time. He was running what one journalist

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 1>called a cat scam. He'd cut the tails off regular

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:58.159
<v Speaker 1>housecats and then run ads offering them as exotic purebred

0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:02.359
<v Speaker 1>cats for three hundred dollars. If he really was as

0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.679
<v Speaker 1>independently wealthy of his inheritance as he claimed, did he

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 1>really need three hundred dollars for a mutilated cat? Maybe

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>he's just addicted to mail fraud. As for the cats,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the earliest mentions I could find of Frank

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.119
<v Speaker 1>in the newspaper archives was a nineteen fifty eight article

0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.520
<v Speaker 1>about the embalmed cat he got for his fifteenth birthday.

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.919
<v Speaker 1>He was looking forward to dissecting it and adding it

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to his collection of oddities that already included a cat skeleton.

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 1>So I hope all his fraudulent cats found happy homes,

0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 1>even if their buyers were unhappy about losing three hundred dollars.

0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:42.320
<v Speaker 1>But it's in an appeals court decision related to a

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 1>parole violation in this second mail fraud case, where we

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<v Speaker 1>find the details of a campaign of terror against his

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.680
<v Speaker 1>neighbors that foreshadows the events at the end of this long,

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:56.040
<v Speaker 1>strange tale. He was paroled in nineteen ninety two after

0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:58.399
<v Speaker 1>serving about half of this sentence, and he was on

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 1>probation for three years. Just days before that three year

0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 1>period ran out, he was charged with a probation violation.

0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 1>He'd been convicted in New Jersey of sending obscene materials

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.480
<v Speaker 1>through the mail to a minor. I know, I know,

0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:15.240
<v Speaker 1>this show is starting to feel like a tour of

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 1>America's weirdest sex crime guys. But to be honest, I

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.199
<v Speaker 1>don't think there was anything sexual in his motivation for

0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>sending pornomags to a nine year old. I know that

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound possible. Bear with me. But after he got

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 1>out of prison, he's living in an apartment back in

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 1>his hometown of Tenafly, New Jersey. A family of Russian

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 1>immigrants moves into the apartment next door. They have children.

0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Children are noisy. Frank says he asked them to keep

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 1>it down, but the noise continued. In what these Second

0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Circuit Court of Appeals would later call a rather bizarre

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 1>set of circumstances, he decided to get back at these

0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>noisy children by engaging in a lengthy harassment campaign against

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:02.160
<v Speaker 1>the entire family. At least twice, he shut off their electricity.

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.960
<v Speaker 1>On multiple occasions, he filled the lock on their front

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:09.880
<v Speaker 1>door with staples, making it impossible to open. He had

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the family's mail forwarded to des Moines, Iowa. The father

0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.119
<v Speaker 1>of these noisy children was a doctor. One of his

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 1>colleagues received a letter purporting to be from an aid's

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 1>charity informing the recipient that the doctor, the father of

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>those noisy children, had tested positive for HIV. And along

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.160
<v Speaker 1>that same line of thinking, he also sent a letter

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 1>to the children's school informing them that the nine year

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 1>old boy had been exposed to HIV by his father.

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>And he sent letters to the Jewish community center where

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the family remembers, informing them that the entire family had

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:44.320
<v Speaker 1>been exposed to the virus. Remember this is nineteen ninety three.

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Telling people that this doctor has HIV could ruin his career.

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>The school could call social services, and they probably wouldn't

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.120
<v Speaker 1>be welcome in the sauna at the community center if

0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>people believed this. And in what would be his ultimate downfall,

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 1>here signed their nine year old son up for catalogs

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>that sold pornographic materials. It seems like he believed that

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the child's father would get the mail, which apparently wasn't

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.360
<v Speaker 1>going to Iowa anymore see the catalog, believe his son

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 1>had signed up for it and would punish the boy,

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and if the boy was grounded, he wouldn't be so noisy.

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 1>But it backfired and Frank was discovered as the culprit.

0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Police searched his apartment and found the typewriter he'd used

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>to write all the letters, and he quickly confessed. He

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>got four months in jail in New Jersey for sending

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.640
<v Speaker 1>him scene materials to a child, but the parole violation

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>landed him back in federal prison for another year. And

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this trip back to prison gave him a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to test out his own advice. You see, between getting

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<v Speaker 1>out in nineteen ninety two and going back in nineteen

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 1>ninety five, Frank was profiled in The New York Times.

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.119
<v Speaker 1>The journalist Charles Strumm actually used to write for The

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Bergen Record, the local paper Frank used to end up

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<v Speaker 1>in every time he got arrested in the sixties, but

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<v Speaker 1>Strum didn't come home from college and started the Record

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:05.160
<v Speaker 1>until after Frank's arms stand off in the front yard

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and they weren't talking about their shared hometown. They were

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:14.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about Frank's new consulting business. In nineteen ninety four,

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Frank put a classified ad in USA Today that read.

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<v Speaker 2>Go into federal prison for the first time, we will

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>tell you what to expect and how to survive. All

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<v Speaker 2>consultants are graduates of the federal prison system. Frank aysweeneyan Associates,

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<v Speaker 2>Box fifteen Demarest, New Jersey zero seven six two seven.

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Frank told Strum that the idea came to him while

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>he was reading the paper one morning in September nineteen

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 1>ninety three. Lawrence Powell, one of the LA police officers

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>convicted for his role in the beating of Rodney King,

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 1>was quoted in the paper as being terrified at the

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 1>prospect of going to prison. Strum rights that Frank told him.

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought to myself, my god, there's probably a lot

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 2>of people go into prison who has never been in

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 2>jail before, only white collic criminals, and they're probably terrified too,

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 2>that just as frightened as he is. So I thought

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe I could use my misfortune to help people and

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 2>maybe make a profit doing it.

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>The article says Frank claims to have twenty seven clients

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>after just a few months of running his new consulting business,

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>though the author also prints without question Frank's claim that

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.479
<v Speaker 1>he left high school in the eleventh grade because he

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 1>was bored with it, not because he was in a

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 1>youth correctional facility for bank robbery. In the article, Strum

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>writes out all of Frank's crimes and convictions, but that

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two bank robbery is missing. But again, they

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the Internet then. Of his criminal record, Frank

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>told the reporter, I remember it was Nietzsche who wrote

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 1>the crime is not in the act, but in the

0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:50.360
<v Speaker 1>stupidity of being caught. I was caught and stupid, and

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 1>he'd get caught a few more times in the coming years,

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 1>but he stays humble. That Nietzsche quote is still his

0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>favorite to this day. According to his Facebook profile, he

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>had to take a break from his new consulting career

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>when he went away for a year in nineteen ninety five,

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>but he picked right back up when he got out.

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>A nineteen ninety seven Newsweek article about his business claims

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>he was up to eighty seven clients now, with white

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>collar criminals paying Frank one thousand dollars for assistance and

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>getting favorable placement. So not only did Frank promise that

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.200
<v Speaker 1>he could advise you about the differences in food facilities

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and culture at different federal prisons, he claimed he had

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:30.639
<v Speaker 1>connections and could influence your placement. A Bureau of Prison

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>spokesman denied Frank had any ability to arrange transfers or

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>promise placements at specific facilities, but at least one client

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>told the reporter that prison officials had denied his request

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>for a transfer during a five year sentence for embezzlement,

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>but after he wrote Frank and included a check for

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>one thousand dollars, his transfer came through. Now, promising these

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>transfers seems like it would put Frank back in mail

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>fraud territory. But if he had stopped short of fraud,

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>this isn't actually a terrible way for a guy like

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Frank to make a living. He really had been in

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>a significant number of our nation's federal prisons. He'd been

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 1>in facilities all over the country spanning decades. He's in

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>a great position to offer advice about how to get

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>through your sentence as smoothly as possible. So if he'd

0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>stuck to lifestyle advice for the incarcerated. I might say

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>that this could have been a success story for Frank.

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>There was another article about his consulting business in nineteen

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, but then he kind of disappears. I'm not

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.959
<v Speaker 1>sure what he was up to. He pops up briefly

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>in a couple of articles in two thousand and two

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>thousand and one, an old prison friend of his called

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>him from a jail in Reno to ask for help

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 1>exposing an alleged smuggling ring run by one of the

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>guards out there in Nevada, David Wayne is described as

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>one of the most dangerous inmates in a state prison

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>system after a variety of escape attempts and prison riots

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 1>involving Wayne holding hostages, and in two thousand he wanted

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Frank's help leveraging this information about a corrupt guard to

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>get a better placement. So friend or client hard to say,

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>but the guard did end up charged with smuggling a

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>handcuff key to an inmate, and Frank spent about a

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 1>year advocating for Wayne's transfer, considering he had once held

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.400
<v Speaker 1>two prison nurses hostage for twelve hours by rigging up

0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>a rube Goldberg style contraption that would stab the women's

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>eyes out with scalpels if anyone opened the door and

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 1>had successfully escaped. At least once, a low security placement

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>for David Wayne was out of the question. But then

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 1>quiet Frank moved out to Idaho and stayed out of

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the paper. He's not a very good driver, so I

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>know he moved to Ada County, Idaho around two thousand

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and one, because that's when he started getting a lot

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>of traffic tickets there. In two thousand and eight, he

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>was charged with battery and convicted, but he only served

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>five days in jail and successfully completed his court ordered

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>anger management class. The docket indicates the victim, woman who

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>appears to be a nursing assistant in the Boise area,

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:06.760
<v Speaker 1>got a restraining order. But the Frank Sweeney, who tried

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>to drop a bank and fought in the Bush War

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and had a mob boss fly him to Vegas and

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>bragged about being able to influence prison officials, that Frank

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>seems to be gone. He's just an old man living

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>in Boise until twenty fifteen. In December of twenty fifteen,

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Frank went to the post office near his home in

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Garden City, Idaho. He parked his truck in one of

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the accessible parking spots out front. A woman saw him

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>get out of his car, which did not have a

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.239
<v Speaker 1>placard indicating he was supposed to be parked there, and

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>said something to him. We don't know exactly what she said. Now,

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>me personally, I probably wouldn't have said anything. For the

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>most part, it's not worth it. It's not your business.

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>There are plenty of people who are not visibly disabled

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>who really do need those parking spots. And Frank was

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>in his seventies at this point, so even if he

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a state issued parking placard, he's old. Just

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.719
<v Speaker 1>leave him alone. But she made a comment about it,

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and the situation escalated pretty seriously. Court documents only say

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>that they had a verbal altercation, so at least she

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't get stabbed, which he's done at least twice to

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>people who offended him. But whatever she said, and for

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever reasons she chose to say it, she didn't deserve

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>what happened next. The victims in this case are referred

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to only by their initials in the court record for

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>obvious reasons, but it can be tricky to keep track

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.239
<v Speaker 1>of people with just a letter. So I've given them

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>all fake names just to make this a little easier.

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>We'll call the women from the parking lot Ellen, her

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>husband will be Sam, and their adult daughters will be

0:32:56.080 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Kayla and Lucy. Again, it is possible to figure out

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>who these people are, but please don't. They've been through enough.

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Two weeks after that heated exchange in the post office

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>parking lot, the postcard started. The probation office in Boise

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 1>got the first one. Ellen's adult daughter, Kayla, was at

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>the time on probation for a misdemeanor dui charge. The

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>letter writer claimed that he had just the night before

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>been in the car with Kayla and she was so

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>drunk that he had to jump out at a red

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>light for his own safety. Ellen's husband, Sam, received a

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>postcard at his dental office the same day informing him

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that his wife had been in the post office the

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>week before and she was so drunk that she was

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>falling down. The letter, though very brief, contained a lot

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>of really specific personal information, the fact that the couple

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>had very recently purchased a new home, including the name

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of the suburb where they now lived, the city where

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>their other adult daughter lived, the names of both of

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 1>their daughters, and information about Kayla's arrest that year. Ellen

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>received a third postcard that week, addressed to her at home.

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>This one contained her social Security number and an allegation

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.840
<v Speaker 1>that her daughter Lucy, was engaged in acts of prostitution

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 1>at her place of work, which was named after the

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 1>family received the first postcards. In December of twenty fifteen,

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>they met with detectives at the Aida County Sheriff's office

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>in Boise, and despite investigator's best efforts, the family would

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>continue to receive increasingly bizarre and frightening postcards for three

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>full years. Their neighbors and nearby schools received postcards that

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>appeared to be from the State Sex Offender Registry, informing

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>them that Sam was a sex offender, specifically that he

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 1>had sodomized a nine year old boy in nineteen seventy eight.

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 1>It probably goes without saying, but I will say it anyway.

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>That is not true. But it does kind of remind

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>you of what Frank did to that doctor in nineteen

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 1>ninety three, doesn't it, adding to the victim's distress. Sam

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>passed away unexpectedly in January of twenty seve sixteen, just

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks after all this started, and obviously Frank

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 1>knew one of his victims was dead. Some of the

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.839
<v Speaker 1>letters sent to the man's daughters taunted and blamed them

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>for driving their father into an early grave, but oddly

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>some of the letters pretended otherwise. While most of the

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>postcards were signed Carson Wells, the name of Woody Harrelson's

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 1>character in the movie No Country for Old Men, some

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>were signed with the names of her own children. Ellen

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>received one of those just two months after her husband's death,

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 1>purporting to be from her daughter Lucy, who lived out

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>of state. It said, dear Mommy, my blood test just

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.959
<v Speaker 1>came back and yes I am HIV positive. I'm sure

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I was infected by one of the two crips with

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>whom I was having an affair with. Regrettably, I will

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 1>never be able to give you and Daddy the grandchildren

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>you so desired. But we know now that Daddy is

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>a pedophile. He may have harmed the grandkids. Has he

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>been released from jail. And again, this is a woman

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 1>who just lost her husband. She knows this postcard isn't

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>from her adult daughter, even if she hadn't already gotten

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 1>a dozen other bizarre postcards. She would know that no

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 1>one's writing their mother a postcard on a typewriter. It's

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>not nineteen thirty two. And again, the recently deceased man

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 1>was not a pedophile, nor was he in jail. He

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 1>had just been buried by his family. Ellen and both

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 1>of her daughters continued getting postcards even after Ellen moved,

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 1>and Frank was also sending the postcards to other people

0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>pretending to be members of the family. The Idaho Black

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>History Museum received one signed with Ellen's name, address, and

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>phone number that was so laden with racial slurs that

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>you can barely tell what it's supposed to be trying

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 1>to say. Lucy's boss received one advising him that his

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>employee was having rectal intercourse with black men, although Frank

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 1>described that in more vivid terms. Now, for as strange

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>as this man's life has been, you'd be forgiven if

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>you forgot where we started. Frank is a Nazi. He

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>was a member of the American Nazi Party, and he

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>fought as a Rhodesian mercenary. He's not just a guy

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.359
<v Speaker 1>who loves doing mail fraud and hates his neighbors. He's

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 1>very racist and a lot of these postcards fixated on

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Ellen's daughters were engaged in interracial relationships,

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 1>very graphically and racistly describing specific sex acts that they were,

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 1>in his mind having with black partners. And he was

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 1>particularly upset that Ellen, a Latina, had married a white man.

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>He called her racial slurs and wrote to her daughters

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>calling them mongrels. It seems the only time he wasn't

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:42.280
<v Speaker 1>sending postcards was when he was out of the country.

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>You see, he might have another wife. It's not entirely clear,

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>but several times a year Frank would travel to Effert,

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the capital of the German state of Turingia and Central Germany,

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>to visit a woman he's known for a very long time,

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Uta Schernig, who performs professionally as a belly dancer under

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the name Madame Chamila, has on several occasions referred to

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Frank as her husband. This may be literal, it may

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>be a cheeky little joke. My German is not good

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 1>enough to really read tone, and it may just be

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that they've been in a relationship for so long that

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 1>they think of each other this way. My research game

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 1>is strong, but a potentially non existent German marriage certificate

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>evades my grasp. Nevertheless, he does own a home in effort,

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>and she lives in it. She refers to him occasionally

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>as her house Positzer, which you could translate as landlord,

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>but you wouldn't really, you'd call the person you rent

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>your home from, your permeter house Positzer just means he

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:49.919
<v Speaker 1>owns her house. And he occasionally calls her Liebchen my love,

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:54.359
<v Speaker 1>and she calls him Frankie when he visited in twenty

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>fifteen and they went to see her mother in the

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:59.439
<v Speaker 1>nursing home together. Her photo captions are about Frank's visit

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>to his mother in law. As with so much in

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Frank's life, it's hard to pin this down. I have

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 1>a handful of photos of Frank with this woman that

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:10.439
<v Speaker 1>appeared to be from the eighties or early nineties based

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.280
<v Speaker 1>on the photo quality, Frank's apparent age and to be honest,

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:19.359
<v Speaker 1>per hair. But we're talking about Germany, so dating by

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.439
<v Speaker 1>the fashion could put us off by a decade or more.

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>No offense, you know, it's true, But at least in

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the present era of his life, he's visiting Germany every

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>now and again. She breeds and shows Mexican and Peruvian

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:37.239
<v Speaker 1>hairless dog, some of which have been quite successful internationally.

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Some of her show dogs list Frank Sweeney as a

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 1>co owner. In September of twenty sixteen, his victims had

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>a brief reprieve from his letters because he was in

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Germany attending a seminar on dog genetics with Ute. These

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>rare breed dogs are very prone to genetic problems and

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in breeding, so I'm glad they're staying on top of

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 1>best practices, I guess. But when he was at home

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 1>in Idaho, the campaign of harassment was relentless. He even

0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 1>found a way to outsource the terror. Frank sent postcards

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:12.960
<v Speaker 1>to inmates in prisons all over the country. He signed

0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:16.080
<v Speaker 1>them with Ellen's name and address, and requested that the

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 1>men write her back. She received at least seventy five letters,

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 1>all addressed to her at home from murderers and as

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.839
<v Speaker 1>if she might not get it, like maybe she didn't

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 1>put two and two together here, Like maybe she thought

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 1>this was some totally separate, unrelated new problem she just

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 1>happens to be having. Frank made sure she understood that

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>he did this. He sent her numerous postcards explaining the situation.

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Every creep every social degenerate who has written to you

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 2>has your address, social Security number, and date of birth.

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Likewise for Lucy two. Some of these freaks have already

0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:58.360
<v Speaker 2>passed this information on to their criminal friends outside of prison.

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Last month, I've I did to your house twice in

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the early morning hours while you slept. Naturally, I've removed

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>my license plates so that street cameras could not identify

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:11.320
<v Speaker 2>my car, and I still patrol the post office daily

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>in an effort to spot you. You only have your

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>big mouth to blame for all of this.

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 1>In December of twenty sixteen, after the first full year,

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>he wrote to her, saying it was their anniversary, telling

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>her I intend to be with you her life. The

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.319
<v Speaker 1>letter has just kept coming, reminding her that he was

0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 1>watching her outside her home, that he waited for her

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.560
<v Speaker 1>at the post office almost every day, and sending her

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 1>postcards containing her own personal information like her license plate

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:44.319
<v Speaker 1>number and information about her family, just so she knew

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>he had it too. He continued writing to Ellen and

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 1>both of her daughters, calling them racial slurs, slots whores,

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>threatening to report them for I sorted imaginary crimes like

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>tax fraud and drug dealing, and always remembering to write

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 1>them on their birthdays. Investigators were stumped. They knew the

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>letter writer was the man from the post office parking lot.

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:08.399
<v Speaker 1>He said as much in his letters, but Ellen didn't

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>recognize him. She had only a vague description of his vehicle,

0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 1>and she didn't get the license plate. Why would she

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:19.360
<v Speaker 1>have thought she needed to? Postcards were always wiped clean

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>of prints. They were perfectly generic United States Postal Service

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>issued materials that he always bought in small quantities and

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:30.479
<v Speaker 1>paid cash. He may truly have tormented this woman until

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.239
<v Speaker 1>one of them died if he hadn't done what he's

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>always done, more crime. And here's that beginning of the end.

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>It's not the end. But I told you this story

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 1>that began outside of a bank in New Jersey in

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two, would start its final chapter outside of

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 1>a bank in Idaho fifty six years later. On October thirteenth,

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, Frank got into another argument in a parking lot.

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 1>These victims, too, are only identified by their inn in

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the court records, So I'm going to call them Liam

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and Denise. They were in their car outside the Wells

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Fargo in Garden City, Idaho. Frank conked at them. There

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>was again some kind of verbal altercation. Maybe they gave

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>him the finger or shouted, who knows. You know, this

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 1>is the kind of thing that happens every day. You know,

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 1>you don't pull forward fast enough, the guy behind you honks,

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>You tell him to fuck off. Nobody's being their best selves.

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:29.959
<v Speaker 1>But life goes on, but not for Frank. Frank can't

0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>take it. He stabbed a guy in the guts for

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:36.919
<v Speaker 1>splashing him in nineteen seventy five. So two weeks after

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Liam and Denise experienced this angry driver at the bank,

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:46.359
<v Speaker 1>they start getting postcards. Like Ellen and her family, this family, too,

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>starts hearing that their neighbors and nearby schools are getting

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 1>postcards that pretend to be from the state Sex Offender Registry,

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>alerting people that Liam is a pedophile. He's not, and specifically,

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the postcards say that he sodomized a nine year old boy.

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 1>That is a very specific and very gross detail to

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>recycle from one victim to the next, right like that,

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 1>that has to mean something, but I can't figure it out,

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and maybe that's for the best. These postcards, too, are

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 1>generic ones from the post office, typed on a manual typewriter.

0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>And again some of the postcards are signed Carson Wells,

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they're signed with the name of Liam's adult son.

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>And again there were letters to the family from murderers

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 1>answering requests for pen pals. But you know what, the

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>bank has a lot of security cameras, and unbeknowns to Frank,

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.760
<v Speaker 1>shortly before he started terrorizing his second set of victims,

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>his case wasn't just a local matter anymore. In September

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of twenty eighteen, the United States Postal Inspector Service started

0:44:56.920 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 1>looking into the postcards. That's right, the Mail Police. That

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 1>is a very real federal law enforcement agency with jurisdiction

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>over mail crimes. According to their most recent annual report,

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the USPIS initiated more than fifty six hundred investigations in

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:17.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, and during that year, forty one hundred

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>cases related to their investigations ended in convictions. Most of

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>those numbers are things like mail theft and people mailing drugs. Also,

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 1>though a couple hundred people a year are assaulting postal employees,

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>knock that off. Don't do that. Be nice to your

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>mail carrier. So now we have the Mail Police on

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the case. And as soon as they start trying to

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 1>figure out what's going on here. Again, this is September

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 1>of twenty eighteen, they're just looking at the postcards to

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Ellen and her family. But within a few weeks of

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:51.399
<v Speaker 1>them opening the investigation, the Idaho State Police let them

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 1>know that someone is sending postcards pretending to be from

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 1>their office. And these are these postcards about how Liam

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.800
<v Speaker 1>is a pedophile that are being sent to schools and neighbors.

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 1>And because these postcards are made to look as though

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.239
<v Speaker 1>they are coming from the State Sex Offender Registry, which

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 1>is run by the state Police, people are contacting the

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>state police about them. And now the state police are

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>talking to the mail police, and now the mail cops

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>see that there are more victims, and all of these

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 1>postcards seem to be from the same person. When postal

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.919
<v Speaker 1>investigators speak to both families and compare the letters, it's

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 1>clear they're all from the same person. All of the

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.400
<v Speaker 1>victims say they know who is sending them these postcards,

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 1>they just don't know who he is. Ellen knows it's

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the guy from the post office. Liam knows it's the

0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:43.399
<v Speaker 1>guy from the bank. And they both describe some kind

0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 1>of older truck and an older man who's thin with

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a stiff gait and a very terrible distinctive scar on

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 1>his face. They're describing the same man, and surely a

0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>bank teller or a postal service clerk would recognize description

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 1>like that. Local cops had shown Ellen photo lineups on

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>multiple occasions over the last three years as they're investigating this,

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 1>But Frank was never a suspect, so he was never

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.360
<v Speaker 1>in any of the photo arrays. So each time they

0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 1>showed her photos of potential suspects, she said, he's not

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>here because he wasn't and so she never picked out

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 1>any other possible suspect. But once the postal investigator zeroed

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 1>in on the man in the bank security footage, both

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Ellen and Liam separately identified him in photo lineups, and

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.720
<v Speaker 1>bank employees did know who he was, so by Christmas

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.760
<v Speaker 1>of twenty eighteen, the male police have Frank's bank records.

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:44.719
<v Speaker 1>He's been paying a private investigator. That's how he knew

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:48.240
<v Speaker 1>so much personal information about all of his victims, information

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 1>about their real estate transactions, what kinds of cars they drove,

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>where they worked, where their adult children lived in different

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:59.319
<v Speaker 1>cities and states. He's paying a PI Idaho is one

0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:01.719
<v Speaker 1>of several states where you don't actually have to have

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 1>a license of any kind to offer your services as

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 1>a PI, so she doesn't have one that can be

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>taken away, and she hasn't been charged with anything. Maybe

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:15.800
<v Speaker 1>she only helped Frank with information that didn't cross a line,

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and maybe she didn't ask enough questions about what he

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 1>was doing with it. It remains unclear how he got

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>everyone's Social Security numbers, though, but the PI he was

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 1>paying is a woman in her eighties who seems to

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:31.279
<v Speaker 1>still be in the business just for the love of

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the game. Barbara Jacobson describes herself on her website as

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 1>a cross between Nancy Drew and Jessica Fletcher with the

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>tenacity of Colombo, and credits her success to her Christian

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:46.320
<v Speaker 1>faith and divine intervention. An article in a twenty seventeen

0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:50.720
<v Speaker 1>issue of Christian Living magazine quotes her as saying, God

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 1>is my business partner now again. This woman has not

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:58.319
<v Speaker 1>been charged with a crime, but it seems like a

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:02.400
<v Speaker 1>bad sign that she either didn't know or didn't care

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that the client asking her for a lot of personal

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 1>information on people had a five decade long rap sheet

0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:14.479
<v Speaker 1>that included convictions related to harassment by mail. You're either

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 1>deeply unscrupulous or very bad at your job, and I'm

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:23.359
<v Speaker 1>not sure which is worse either way. This investigation is

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:27.360
<v Speaker 1>rapidly coming together. The postal investigator has Frank's bank records,

0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:30.399
<v Speaker 1>He's been identified by the victims. They're closing in on him,

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:34.719
<v Speaker 1>and maybe he knows, maybe he doesn't. He did move

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:37.719
<v Speaker 1>very suddenly in February twenty nineteen, leaving the house he'd

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.399
<v Speaker 1>been renting for over a decade right as they got

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the warrant to search it, and renting a different house nearby.

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:47.960
<v Speaker 1>But he's still sending the letters. So if he knows

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 1>they're onto him, why is he still sending the letters.

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 1>On February thirteenth, twenty nineteen, six weeks after they know

0:49:55.320 --> 0:49:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Frank's their guy, right around the time that he's moving

0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:01.319
<v Speaker 1>to his new house, clerk at the post office calls

0:50:01.360 --> 0:50:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the investigator to say that an old man with a

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 1>terrible scar on his face just bought a stack of

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:12.319
<v Speaker 1>postcards with cash, and the last postcard arrived on February nineteenth,

0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:16.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. It signed Carson Wells, but the writer identifies

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.799
<v Speaker 1>himself as the man who blew his horn at them

0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.320
<v Speaker 1>in the parking lot, and then he reminds Liam and

0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Denise that all the murderers who'd been writing to them

0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>had already forwarded their personal information to criminals on the outside,

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:30.760
<v Speaker 1>but it was already over. Two weeks later, they searched

0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Frank's home. They took his typewriter and his list of

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.720
<v Speaker 1>federal inmates, the ones he'd been writing to as his victims,

0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and they found portraits of Hitler and Nazi memorabilia and

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:49.120
<v Speaker 1>white supremacist literature, and two live rattlesnakes. Rattlesnakes don't live

0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:52.279
<v Speaker 1>in Idaho. These aren't snakes that he got outside. These

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>are snakes that he is breeding. Frank has a lifelong

0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:00.160
<v Speaker 1>interest in reptile breeding. I think he's a member of

0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>the Idaho Herpetological Society, or at least he was before

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:06.360
<v Speaker 1>he went to prison, And shortly before his arrest, he

0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>commented on an online obituary for an old high school classmate,

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.920
<v Speaker 1>reminiscing fondly about how they used to collect snakes in

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the woods together in the fifties. Once he's in custody,

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Frank confessed immediately, telling investigators on the day of his

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>arrest that he'd sent the postcards because he felt like

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:27.479
<v Speaker 1>these people had embarrassed him and it made him feel

0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 1>better to know he was causing them emotional distress. Shortly

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:33.440
<v Speaker 1>after his arrest, he wrote to the judge to ask

0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the court to intervene in what he felt was an

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.759
<v Speaker 1>inadequate response by the jail to what he called many

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 1>of the infirmities that affect the elderly, and says he

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:44.600
<v Speaker 1>has the urge to commit suicide if his demands aren't met.

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to sound like I'm brushing this off.

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that this couldn't possibly be a valid concern.

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<v Speaker 1>People die in jails and prisons every day because employees

0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 1>don't care or don't have the resources to provide adequate care.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a very real problem, and the urge to

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<v Speaker 1>harm yourself is always very serious. But this isn't Frank's

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:10.520
<v Speaker 1>first rodeo. Remember, in the eighties he used to threaten

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<v Speaker 1>suicide and would even fake suicide attempts in order to

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<v Speaker 1>manipulate employees of the witness Protection program. So this may

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<v Speaker 1>not be a brand new issue for Frank at any rate.

0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Within months of his arrest, he entered into a plea agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>So once the mail cops got on the case, they

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<v Speaker 1>actually sorted it out pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The USPIS got on the case in September of twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and within three months they knew it was Frank. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they should have called the guys who solved mail crimes earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but if there had been more communication

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<v Speaker 1>between different law enforcement agencies, the whole situation could have

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<v Speaker 1>been resolved. When he sent a single letter a third victim,

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<v Speaker 1>which he signed with his own name. When a US

0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 1>marshall searched Frank's house two years before his eventual arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they didn't bother to check in with the

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<v Speaker 1>local police, because in April of twenty seventeen, Frank sent

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<v Speaker 1>a single letter to Gerald Shrr, the man who found

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<v Speaker 1>it and for many years ran the witness protection program.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think of a worse guy to pick if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to send a threatening letter. Sure was long

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<v Speaker 1>since retired by twenty seventeen. He passed away in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty at the age of eighty six. But is there

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<v Speaker 1>anyone on earth who had more chips to call in

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<v Speaker 1>with the US Marshals? You think a US marshal isn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to come to your house. If you sign your

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<v Speaker 1>full legal name to a threatening letter to the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who invented witness protection, you think you're going to scare

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<v Speaker 1>the guy whose job was protecting mobsters from other mobsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly a stupid move, even for Frank.

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<v Speaker 2>You poisonous, licensious, so true. I thought that you would

0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:00.839
<v Speaker 2>have been long dead from cardiovascular disease do to obesity.

0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I was very much hoping to sit shiva for you,

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<v Speaker 2>to pray cottage over your fat corpse. You loasome. I

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<v Speaker 2>will remember you, although it's doubtful you will remember from

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 2>WITSEC units in Otisville of San Diego, paraid in with

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:18.560
<v Speaker 2>your entourage to pray women from the Office of Enforcement Operations.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen eighty four, you expelled me from the program,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving me to fend for myself as a known inform

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<v Speaker 2>a rat in the general populations of very dangerous prisons.

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<v Speaker 1>It had been more than thirty years, but Frank never

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<v Speaker 1>got over getting kicked out of the program. He flew

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<v Speaker 1>all over the world helping a spy in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>trying to leverage information on Christopher Boyce to get placement

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<v Speaker 1>in the program, and it didn't work. The information it

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<v Speaker 1>gave was not only not helpful, but by fabricating unhelpful

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 1>information in order to get something from the government, he

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<v Speaker 1>made things worse. And when he finally got what he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted by testifying against a serial killer in nineteen eighty two,

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't keep his mouth shut about it, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he was removed from the program in nineteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 1>In his letter to shir he claims that as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of losing his protected status in eighty four, he

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<v Speaker 1>was attacked by another inmate the following year, and he does,

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<v Speaker 1>without a doubt, bear a huge scar all down one

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<v Speaker 1>cheek to this day. Somebody cut Frank's face open pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 1>He takes care to mention in his letter that the

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<v Speaker 1>assailant was black, though he chooses different words to say that,

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<v Speaker 1>and who knows why Frank got cut. I'm not making

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<v Speaker 1>light of the violence that happens inside jails and prisons,

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<v Speaker 1>but you'd have to do some real mental gymnastics here

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with a satisfying explanation for why a

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<v Speaker 1>black man would cut Frank up in retaliation for Frank's

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<v Speaker 1>testimony against a Nazi serial killer who traveled the country

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<v Speaker 1>shooting black men. I just don't think that they would

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<v Speaker 1>be mad about that. But I can think think of

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:04.320
<v Speaker 1>a variety of reasons why a black man who encountered

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Frank in prison might get into it with him. I

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:10.759
<v Speaker 1>mean racist hide. Frank's just kind of a hothead, not

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:12.799
<v Speaker 1>a great guy to hang out with, always getting into

0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it with people. But also he loves saying racial slurs.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can think of a variety of reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>this might have happened that had nothing to do with

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 1>him testifying against a serial killer. We can't take Frank

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<v Speaker 1>at his word, and I couldn't find any reporting from

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<v Speaker 1>the time about a prison knife fight in nineteen eighty five,

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<v Speaker 1>So who else? After Shre received the letter, which Frank

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<v Speaker 1>had signed venomously Yours, Frank Abbott Sweeney, a US marshal

0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>was sent out to Idaho to speak with Frank, and

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<v Speaker 1>Frank admitted that he sent the letter, but he said

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:48.520
<v Speaker 1>he meant no harm by it, and he allowed the

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:52.240
<v Speaker 1>marshal to search his home. It seems like if anyone

0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>had compared notes, Frank could have been identified as the

0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Garden City postcard writer far sooner The language in this

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.359
<v Speaker 1>letter was very similar to some of the postcards. If

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:04.319
<v Speaker 1>they had just showed this letter to the sheriff, maybe

0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:08.800
<v Speaker 1>they would have recognized it, But yes, they didn't because

0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't. The local police in Pennsylvania where the letter

0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:16.640
<v Speaker 1>was received charged Frank with terroristic threats, but that's a

0:57:16.720 --> 0:57:21.200
<v Speaker 1>non extraditable misdemeanor in Pennsylvania, so they couldn't bring him

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<v Speaker 1>back to face the charge. So he's got an open

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:26.160
<v Speaker 1>warrant in Pennsylvania. If he ever goes there, willingly, but

0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 1>he probably won't and was sure now deceased. It doesn't

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:35.120
<v Speaker 1>seem like that's likely to amount to anything. On December sixteenth,

0:57:35.160 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, Frank Sweeney was sentenced to fifty one months

0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 1>for six counts of stalking. A few days later, his

0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.080
<v Speaker 1>German wife posted a photo of her Christmas Eve dinner.

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 1>A friend asked her if Frank would be celebrating with

0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:51.800
<v Speaker 1>her that year. She replied that no, Frank has been

0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:55.400
<v Speaker 1>ill for several months and can't fly right now. She

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:57.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't say that he was back in federal prison for

0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:02.160
<v Speaker 1>at least the fifth time. Frank Sweeney was released from

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<v Speaker 1>prison in December of twenty twenty two. I just noticed,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm writing this that it's his eighty first birthday today,

0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:10.400
<v Speaker 1>but it won't be by the time you hear this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still in Idaho, he's still playing the violin, and

0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:18.720
<v Speaker 1>he still co owns a few Mexican hairless dogs on

0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the show circuit in Germany. In that nineteen ninety four

0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:25.479
<v Speaker 1>New York Times article about his prison consulting business, Frank

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 1>quipped that his favorite quote was the crime is not

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:31.600
<v Speaker 1>in the act, but in the stupidity of being caught,

0:58:32.360 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 1>which he attributes to Nietzsche. I think, regardless of your

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:39.439
<v Speaker 1>stance on the philosophical nature of crime and punishment, though

0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:42.520
<v Speaker 1>there are better quotes from Frank's thousands of appearances in

0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the newspaper over his six decades of crime. Maybe Judge H.

0:58:46.880 --> 0:58:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Curtis Meaner had it write in nineteen eighty one when

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.360
<v Speaker 1>he cut off the bickering in the courtroom over exactly

0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.200
<v Speaker 1>what the hell happened with Frank's mysterious South African letters

0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:57.680
<v Speaker 1>about the missing spy, saying, I have neither the time

0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 1>nor inclination to unravel all the monies in this case,

0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.840
<v Speaker 1>because we never really will unravel all the mysteries of

0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Frank's past. He played a bit part in so many

0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:12.960
<v Speaker 1>much bigger stories. They've made whole Hollywood films out of

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<v Speaker 1>so many of these little slices of history that Frank

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:21.200
<v Speaker 1>passed through, from Cold War spy thrillers to Scorsese dramas

0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:25.760
<v Speaker 1>about organized crime. Frank's there, He's not in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just out of frame while history happens doing something

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