1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with Matt Holliday who is currently in Arizona, 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: and Lance lynnon gentlemen, nice to see you before we start. 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: What do we do, Lance? We bet, we beg forts, 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: we beg for subscribers. So if you like Cardinal Territory, 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: just throwing it out there. We blew past six thousand subs. 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: We want to get to seven thousand subscribers. So if 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: you like Cardinal Territory, go ahead and hit that subscribe button. 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: We much appreciate it. Okay. So the US hockey team, 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: big big story in sports, the biggest story. The US 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: hockey team beats Canada. Some sour grapes from our Canadian friends, 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: but they beat them in overtime and won a gold 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: medal at the Olympic Game. So I got to thinking 14 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: what a throw it must be for those guys to 15 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: represent their country. And I realize I'm doing a podcast 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: with guys who have been there representing their country. Now 17 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: right now. Matt is coach of the US team that 18 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: will represent the United States at the WBC. He's a 19 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: hitting coach. Why don't you played for the United States. 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: I know, Matt, you were also a player, but I'm 21 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: gonna start with you, Matt, because you're in Arizona right now. 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: Tell me about where you guys are as you prepare 23 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: for the WBC. And of course I'm talking about Team USA. 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't start until March first. I think they 25 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: all report here, and so we're here. Ethan's got camp 26 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: here and anyways, so the camp doesn't start for I 27 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: think everybody gets here March first, and then our first 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: practice is March second. Uh, I think we play two 29 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: exhibition games here on the third and the fourth, and 30 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: then fly to Houston. So I haven't got a chance 31 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: to be around the guys other than the Zoom staff 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: meetings that I've been a part of, and and uh 33 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: getting to hear from d row On on all his 34 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: interactions with guys and and and the guys seem pretty 35 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: fired up, I think certainly, uh, the guys that are 36 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: gonna be participating watching uh, the the. 37 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: US men's hockey gold medal. 38 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: Game, I think they're probably that probably adds fuel to 39 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: their fire and excitement to the the the upcoming w 40 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: b C. So it's uh, it's always an honor to 41 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: represent your country. I got a chance to play in 42 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 2: the first World Baseball Classic, and I was a young 43 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: player at the time. I didn't I didn't play all 44 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: that much, but you know, we had guys like King Jr. 45 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: And you know, Roger Clemens and and UH. I was, 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: you know, I just finished my second year, so UH 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 2: to get a chance to be on that team and 48 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: UH and be part of UH. You know, I got 49 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: a chance to wear the USA across my chest in 50 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: high school. 51 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: And it's it's quite an honor. 52 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to seeing, you know, seeing the 53 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: guys do that, and and some of them already have before, 54 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: and some of them it will be the first time. 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: And I think the Olympics and coinciding with UH this 56 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: year's World Baseball Classic will add a little extra UH, 57 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: you know, fuel or patriotism to UH to get a 58 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: chance to do that. 59 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: Lanks, Do you agree with that? Do you think since 60 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: you've been there before, we're in the USA across your 61 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: chest that coming off the UH the men's and women's 62 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: gold medal in hockey and the way the country seems 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: to be celebrating that men's went over Canada, do you 64 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: think that's going to add something to the US team 65 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: and the fire they have for this event. 66 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: I should have a carryover for sure. You're looking at 67 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: you're going straight from you know, the Olympics, kind of 68 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 4: running the WBC here. So you'll keep the uh, you know, 69 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: the pride up and keep it going, is my guess. 70 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 4: You know, it should be a fun tournament. There's a 71 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: lot of good teams, a lot of good players on 72 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: multiple teams here, so it's exciting time. As one of 73 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 4: you know, my more fun experiences playing the game of baseball, 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 4: I got the you know, the luxury of representing Team 75 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 4: USA and college and then being able to do it again, 76 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 4: you know, towards the end of my career was kind 77 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 4: of a full circle moment. When you're in high school 78 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: or college, I don't think you you kind of it's 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 4: like a cool feeling, but you don't understand it as 80 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 4: much as you should, because you know, we're young and 81 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 4: we're dumb, and we feel like we have, you know, 82 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 4: the whole world in front of us. And then at 83 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 4: the end of my career I was able to really 84 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 4: understand it and really take it in a little bit more, 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 4: and you know, it was one of the like I said, 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 4: it was one of the most fun times I've ever 87 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 4: had playing the game. And I was what thirty six, 88 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 4: thirty seven years old, and I felt like a kid again. 89 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 4: So when you're able to do that represent your country, 90 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be with guys that you usually compete against, 91 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: and then you can come together as teammates. It's an 92 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: awesome time. 93 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: So that for those mortals like us that haven't played 94 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: a sport at the highest level as you guys have. 95 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: What's the difference between being a professional athlete and winning 96 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: at all and winning and also being the guy that 97 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: wears USA? Like as a player, is there a different 98 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: feeling when you're representing your country as opposed to a 99 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: city and an organization. 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's certainly a different experience. 101 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean you you the fact that, you, 102 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: like Lance said, you get to play with guys from 103 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: around the league that you're used to playing against, and 104 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: you're sort of joined up on this All Star Game, 105 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: all Star team with a with a purpose of going 106 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: against you know, sort of the rest of the world. Obviously, 107 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: you know, this is the Olympics of baseball. I mean, 108 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: the way it's currently set up, there's no way for 109 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: for MLB players to play in the Olympics. 110 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 3: So this is essentially the Olympics for. 111 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: For baseball, and and uh, you know, it's it's a 112 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: it's a different feeling. 113 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 114 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: I mean, certainly, winning a world championship with your team, 115 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: uh and in the MLB is is an incredible feeling. 116 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: And and probably you know, you go through one sixty 117 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: two together and and probably the ultimate prize. 118 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: Uh. 119 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 3: But I think this this uh, this. 120 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: Tournament comes in, you know, pretty close behind uh, you know, 121 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: winning a World Series. So I think it's it's been 122 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: great for baseball. And and like I said, you know, 123 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: the way it's currently set up, there's there's not been 124 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: a way to have all the best players from around 125 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: the world to participate in Olympics, like the the hockey 126 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: has kind of figured out. So this is our Olympics, 127 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: and and uh in baseball, and and it'll be fun 128 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: to to kind of get out there and you know, 129 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: obviously watch from from the sidelines, but I feel like 130 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 2: you're part of it a little. 131 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: Bit less for you. The difference between representing an organization 132 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: or a team, even if you've had the ultimate experience 133 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: and want it all, what's the difference between that and 134 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: representing the United States of America. 135 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 4: You know, you you want to represent yourself and whatever 136 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 4: you know you're you have on your chest the best 137 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: you can, no matter what situation is. I think when 138 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: the USA is on your chest, it's it's it's you know, 139 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: the whole country, So you have a different, uh, different reach. 140 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 4: That's the only kind of maybe pressure or the things 141 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 4: you feel is it's it's a different reach. Instead of 142 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 4: just a city that you're representing, You're representing your whole 143 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: entire country. You're representing everything that the country stands for, 144 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 4: and you want to put on a good show to 145 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: make sure that you know, you know, the whole world 146 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: knows that you know we could play some baseball in 147 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: the United States and that you know we're able to 148 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: come together and do the things that we're able to do. 149 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: And they're trying to do the same thing on their side. 150 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: So it's just a little bit more of a more 151 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 4: of a reach really than it is with your cities 152 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But you always want to play 153 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 4: well and you always want to represent whatever your you 154 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 4: have on your chest the best you can, and you 155 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: know when you're in when you have USA on your chest. 156 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: It definitely definitely has a lot bigger reach and a 157 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: lot of a lot of little bit of different weight 158 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: on that jersey at that point too. 159 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: And life always throws curve balls at you no matter 160 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: where you are, what you're doing. There's always this year 161 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: for the WBC. It's insurance out of nowhere. Some guys 162 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: can't get in short. But there's always the risk Matt 163 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: as a young player when you played, not so much 164 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: now as a geezer who's coaching, but there's a risk 165 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: of going to represent your country and getting hurt. How 166 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: much does that play into whether or not you want 167 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: to be part of the WBC. I guess when you're young, 168 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: you don't even think about things like that. 169 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, you're gonna be playing baseball no 170 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: matter what. You know. 171 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 2: You're gonna be playing with You're in spring training with 172 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: your team. Obviously the intensity and the juices are turned 173 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: up a little bit earlier, but I think players are 174 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: preparing for that now, and so I think you can't 175 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: live your life that way. 176 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: I think you know, it's it's baseball. You go out 177 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: and you just lay it on the line. 178 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: You could get hurt just as easily playing in a 179 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 2: spring training game, you know, at your complex, or you know, 180 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: in a workout setting. 181 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't think you live your life 182 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: like that. 183 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: You get a chance to put the USA uniform on, 184 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: you go out and you play, and I think that 185 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: that's that would be my my suggestion for anybody to 186 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: ask my opinion. I mean, it's something that you don't 187 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: get a chance to do it that many times. It 188 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: doesn't come around that often, and you know you're not 189 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: guaranteed to be good enough the next time it comes around. 190 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: I mean, things can happen. 191 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: So I think most guys, you know, outside of a 192 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: picture who maybe is going into his maybe his his 193 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: free agent year or you know. 194 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. 195 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: Look like I said, you could get hurt doing anything. 196 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: The only thing I think that people are a little 197 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: hesitant about is pictures that feel, you know, playoff type 198 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 2: atmosphere in March with a picture. I mean that probably 199 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: a better question for Lance to answer, But that would 200 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: be the only thing that that I would I would 201 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: be slightly cautious about. 202 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: Is a is a picture that. 203 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: Feels that intensity, uh, you know, just in March tenth 204 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: as opposed to you know, having a couple more weeks 205 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: to build. Uh, But I think these guys have have 206 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: understood that and have been training for it and have 207 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: been building towards it. So I really don't think, like 208 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: I said, I don't think you're at any more jeopardy 209 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: than you are throwing and or playing. 210 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: And you your own spring training game on your own. 211 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: Team much more complex for pictures, though, Lance Lamb as 212 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: a Matt alluded to, do you want to rape it 213 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: up that early? The usage can be an issue once 214 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: you get back to your ball club at spring training. 215 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: How much of a concern is that for pictures And 216 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: was that even taken account by Lance Lan when he played. 217 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't worried about being heard or anything like 218 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 4: that when was a picture. When you take the take 219 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 4: the mound, I mean I got three, I think outings 220 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 4: before I even went. I think something like that. I 221 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: was up to four four innings before I even went, 222 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: and then I threw five in the in the first 223 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: round against Canada, So I was right on pace. Nowadays, 224 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 4: when you take the mound, even in bullpen, these guys 225 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 4: are throwing with max intensities. You know, when I was 226 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: coming up was a little different. Your bullpens were more 227 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: touch and feel. You're built into spring training this and that. 228 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: But guys are throwing hard miles in our first game 229 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 4: of spring training for an inning or two, so they're 230 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 4: ready to go and they're ready to do these things. 231 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 4: I think the when Matt alluded to when you're maybe 232 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: in the arbitration process or you know, about to be 233 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 4: into free agency, Yeah, there's a lot of risk there, 234 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 4: but that risk is also going to happen wherever you're at. 235 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 4: I thought about this way, if I'm going to blow 236 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 4: out in March mid March, I'm going to blow out 237 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 4: with Team USA on my chest, and because it's going 238 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 4: to happen, it's gonna happen no matter where it's at. 239 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: In my opinion, you can say, oh, this is the 240 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: reason why. It's like, No, if I'm on a major 241 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 4: league field playing against major league hitters, I'm going to 242 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 4: have full intensity. So if I'm going to get hurt 243 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: in a WBC game, I'm gonna get hurt in a 244 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 4: spring training game. That was my thought, and I think 245 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 4: that's most pitchers thoughts. It's the day of just building 246 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 4: in and slowly working your way up is kind of like, no, 247 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 4: you're getting your max ish pitches in for fifteen to twenty, 248 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 4: you know, then you have thirty to thirty five, and 249 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: then you just keep building fifteen to twenty pitches at 250 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 4: a time. So all you do, all I did when 251 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 4: I went when I was getting ready for WBC is 252 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: I was ready to just though, I was ready to 253 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 4: throw multiple innings right when I showed up to spring training. 254 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 4: So I got a little game ready a little sooner 255 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 4: intensity wise. But I mean, you're looking at guys blowing 256 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 4: out right now in spring training throwe MYBPS. So I mean, 257 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 4: if it's gonna go, it's gonna go, no matter, no 258 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 4: matter where you're at. 259 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's ever been said before, but 260 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: if it hasn't, then I'll be the first to say 261 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: a Lance Winn, You, sir, are great American. Now, if 262 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: you like Cardinal Territory, you should get some merch. And 263 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: when I say merch, I mean I'm talking Cardinal Territory merch. 264 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: I'm talking about T shirts and talking about baseball caps 265 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: and talking about hoodies. All this stuff is quality at 266 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: a good price. 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So 315 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: the other day I'm tweeting out some stuff and the 316 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals are a few games into the spring training schedule, 317 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: and when he's in there, it seems like Mason went 318 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: leading off to me, good fit, that's the guy I 319 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: would want as my leadoff hitter. And I thought that's 320 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: a solid tweet, and then I got some blowbacks, so 321 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: I thought I wanted to check with you guys to me, like, 322 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: first of all, talking to win last year, he was 323 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: the leadoff guy for a while. He wanted to be 324 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: leadoff guy. He wanted the responsibility. I kind of feel 325 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: like this year Mason is going to unlock some things 326 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: because he's got two healthy knees instead of one like 327 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: he had last year. Utilize the speed. I think he's 328 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: got the experience, pitch recognition, probably better recognized pitches. Maybe 329 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: walk a little bit more and think at low pop 330 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: at the top of the batting order. So Matt Holiday, 331 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: am I wrong? Who would be your leadoff hitter? Uh? 332 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: With the Cardinals, right, Now, some people said they let 333 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: Victor Scott the second. Maybe JJ weatherhole, how would you 334 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: do it if you were Holly Moore? 335 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's it's in spring training. 336 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: You're kind of looking at different things, right, so it's 337 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: a time to try what you you know, you kind 338 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: of look at run. 339 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: It out there. 340 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: You haven't seen JJ weatherhold against big league pitching, So 341 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: I think in spring training you watch how he you know, 342 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: his his bats are against. You know, as the spring goes, 343 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: he'll face you know, pitchers that are more and more 344 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 2: dialed in and and pitching him more and more like 345 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: they will in the regular season, so you'll have a 346 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: better idea where he fits in the batting order. I look, 347 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: I think Mason Win has all the attributes of a 348 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: good leadoff hitter. I don't know like Victor Scott is, 349 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: you know, I don't. I don't obviously he had. He 350 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: kind of fits the bill with the speed. It would 351 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: be great if he was getting on base at at 352 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: a three sixty to three eighty clip. And you know what, 353 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: doesn't you know, batting average doesn't really matter if he's 354 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: getting on base because he does create havoc on the basis. 355 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: So I mean, in a perfect world, he would be 356 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 3: your leadoff hitter. 357 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: In my mind, because then you could hit Win second 358 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 2: and put him in a position to drive in more runs. 359 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: But yeah, like I don't I don't see any any 360 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 2: sort of better option at this point than Mason Win 361 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: if he likes, if he likes to hit leadoff, if 362 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 2: he's comfortable hitting leadoff, I think that helps. 363 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: So I'm good with it. 364 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: Like I said, if if it gets to where you 365 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: want to lead off a left handed hitter and and 366 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: jj Or or Victor Scott look like they're gonna get 367 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 2: on base at a high clip, then then you can slide. 368 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 3: Mason went down a little bit. And and depending on me, 369 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: he go, I'm just. 370 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: Gonna carry on with with you, Lance, because uh, how 371 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: they got you got they want the left at the top. 372 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: Is that? 373 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 4: Is that where I'm at on this, on the social 374 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: media on the line they want the left at the top. 375 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 4: Is that the backlash didn't matter who is just one 376 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 4: of those two JJ or Victor. 377 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think some people were thinking maybe Mason 378 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: had a little more power, that you could drop him 379 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: down to me, you know, to me, like Victor Scott, 380 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: I believe that he will be a very good player. 381 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: But I also saw this, whoever is the leadoff hit 382 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: there's extra pressure them and when guys are young, and 383 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: I think in terms of where they are in their career, 384 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: I think right now, Mason's a little head of Victor Scott. 385 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't put Victor there because I think it 386 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: adds pressure. Am I wrong with that? 387 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 388 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: No, you're not wrong with that. I think that fits 389 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 4: pretty ideal. I think my big thing if you're going 390 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 4: to talk about leadoff hitters and what you're trying to establish, 391 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 4: Mason brings an energy and a competitiveness that you have 392 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 4: every day in the clubhouse and stuff like that. And 393 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 4: if you talk about, hey, you want Mason to take 394 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: more of a leadership role and do these things and 395 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 4: all that, you also have to say, hey, you're also 396 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 4: a leadoff hitter and you're playing shortstop every day. In 397 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 4: my opinion, and I think kind of the team will 398 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 4: go as he goes. And then as you get going 399 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: there and JJ finds his footing and gets comfortable, then 400 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 4: maybe against a variety and you want to separate some 401 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 4: lefties throughout the lineup, you can throw JJ up at 402 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 4: the top or something like that and then throw Mason 403 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 4: in the two hole. So I think it could vary 404 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 4: by the starting pitcher that day and stuff like that. 405 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 4: But Mason's hitting one for me every day unless he 406 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 4: needs a day off and then someone else can lead 407 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 4: off that day. That's my opinion of his personality, his 408 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 4: the way he goes about his business, the way he competes, 409 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 4: and the energy he brings every day. He's a guy 410 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: that can literally make a lineup go if you got 411 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 4: to put him at the top and you got to 412 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: let him do his thing, and I think it could 413 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 4: be it could be great for the team, and then 414 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: those lefties can sneak in behind him, and then you 415 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: can kind of mix and match as you go if 416 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: you want to go lefty behind him and then put 417 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 4: Herrera in the three hole, and then you can kind 418 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: of do your thing that way. So that would be 419 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 4: my opinion. And then it's like, Okay, you want Mason 420 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 4: further down the lineup to hit some more homers, But 421 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 4: if you're looking for your short stop to hit you 422 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 4: twenty five homers, you have a problem. In my opinion, 423 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: Mason is a hey, let's hit if he's twenty and 424 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,239 Speaker 4: steals over thirty bags. We got something really good, but 425 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: we don't want to lose on base by him trying 426 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: to hit more homers. We need to get him on 427 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,959 Speaker 4: the base, pass, let him steal, get somebody behind him 428 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 4: that can hit the ball in the gaps, and let's 429 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 4: let those guys run and then get Herrera up there 430 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 4: and do their thing. So that's my opinion. 431 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: I think Glass springs up a good point. First, Mason 432 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Win of the young players, he's a leader in there, 433 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: and I think you found common ground with Ali last 434 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: year where Ali embrace him now. But he also played 435 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: through most of the last season, or at least a 436 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: bulk of the season with a bad name. And he 437 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: can fly, but we didn't see a lot of that 438 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: on the base past. Matt. You weren't a guy who 439 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: stole a ton of base of lighting your curve, but 440 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: you had speed too. How difficult is that little nuance 441 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: in the game to learn to be a guy who's 442 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: a dependable bass fielder. 443 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 444 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think when you're an everyday player like 445 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: Mason Win and you want him on the field, I 446 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: think you got to pick and choose your spots. You know, 447 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: to run to put your you know, if he's going 448 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: to be out there every day, you can't be I 449 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: think it's it's it's one of those things where we 450 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: need we need you in the box, and we need 451 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: you at shortstop. If it's a critical point to steal 452 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: a base. Don't be just stealing bases to pad stats. 453 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: I think that that's ultimately would be my message, uh, 454 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: to a guy that you're counting on to play a 455 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: premium position and you want him out there every single day. 456 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: So I think it's one of those things. 457 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: Where as you get older, you got to protect your 458 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 2: legs a little bit. You got to protect the the 459 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: the ability to be in the box and to be 460 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: on the field and then pick your spots, and when 461 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 2: when a game's on the line, Uh, you have the 462 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: ability to steal a base, steel base. But so I 463 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: think he brings so much value in other places that 464 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: as he gets older, he's going to have to keep 465 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: an eye on, you know, just his body, the wear 466 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: and tear of playing shortstop and being in the out 467 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: there every day. Uh, sometimes it's not worth it, uh 468 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: to be trying to steal the base in situations where 469 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, like I said, you're not you're not patting stats. 470 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: You know, you steal bases when it's when it's a 471 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: big situation. But other than that, I need you, I 472 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: need you out there, and I think that sometimes you 473 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 2: just put yourself in a position to possibly get injured. 474 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: The more you're sliding head first, the more you're accelerating 475 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: and and and trying to do those things on the 476 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: basis your your your chance of getting hurt goes up. 477 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: And like I said, I think he when you're a 478 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: franchise shortstop that plays great defense and has uh has 479 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 2: the ability to hit the ball in the gap, I 480 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: think that that's more important for me than than trying 481 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: to steal forty or forty bases. 482 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: Fair enough, smart, all right, last thing, I'm gonna have 483 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: to circle back lanes because I think with Mason's the 484 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: way he's built, he's got some strength. He's only going 485 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: to get bigger and stronger because he's still a young 486 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: Guy's also got good bat speed, got some pulse power. 487 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: As they like to say, Pulson isn't crazy to think 488 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: twenty five homers nothing you need him to be at. 489 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, thirty five forty homer guys are crazy. You 490 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: think that guy's twenty five homers if things. 491 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 4: Go up, and no, it's not crazy. I don't think 492 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 4: that it's something that he should force. Right with the 493 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 4: time and what he's doing right now. If you look 494 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 4: up and Mason hits two eighty five with twenty and 495 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 4: he hits doubles and still thirty bags, he is, that's 496 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 4: what you want in that position. Now when you get 497 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 4: a little older and you figure out pitches, and then 498 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 4: next thing you know, it's like, hey, twenty goes to 499 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 4: twenty five and we're still right on the same pace. 500 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 4: Some of those doubles start carrying out the ballpark. You 501 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Matt instead of he'd if he 502 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 4: hits doubles and is on base, that's what he does, 503 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 4: and hey, you pick and choose your time in Mason. 504 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 4: I had him as a younger player and he is now, 505 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: but he would pick his times when he would go 506 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 4: for it, and but he would also put the ball 507 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 4: in place. So the more savvy he gets at knowing 508 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 4: what the pitchers are trying to do to him, the 509 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 4: time and the place for him to go try to 510 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 4: hit one or do something like that. Twenty will go 511 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 4: to twenty five. But at Busch Stadium. If you try 512 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 4: to hit every ball out of the ballpark, you will 513 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 4: fly out to the track a lot and you will 514 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,479 Speaker 4: not be on base and your bag and the average 515 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 4: will go from two to eighty down to two forty 516 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 4: real quick. And that's the last thing that he wants 517 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 4: and the last thing the team wants. So I think 518 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 4: it's one of those things where if you look up 519 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 4: at the end of the year and he hits eighteen 520 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: and stills thirty baggs and hits two eighty five, he 521 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 4: had a great year, like he needs. Did doubles? Home 522 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 4: runs come when they come, and pick and choose your 523 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 4: time to go after one, and then you know he 524 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: has the ability with two strikes put the ballon the 525 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 4: ball whenever he wants to. So he's got the ability 526 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 4: to kind of play with pitchers, and once he learns 527 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 4: to do that, that's when that twenty to twenty five 528 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 4: will come. But don't force twenty five by trying to 529 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 4: hit him. Coach, howad that you agree with that? 530 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 7: I see? 531 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 532 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think when you talk about Busch Stadium, 533 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: twenty five homers is I mean, that's that's real power. 534 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that people don't recognize, especially in 535 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: the off gap. There's no place to get a cheapie 536 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: at Bush Stadium. So if you put if you put 537 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: Mason win uh in some of the other ballparks around 538 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: uh MLB and told me he was gonna hit twenty 539 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: five homers, I would be I would I would say 540 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: that's a highly you know, much much more likely, you know, 541 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: at Bush Stadium for him, he'd probably have to pull 542 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: most of those. And and to get into the mode 543 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: where you're trying to pull homers, like Lance said, where 544 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 2: it takes your batting average. I think we've seen it 545 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 2: a lot, and even myself included at Busch Stadium. When 546 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 2: you know that there's not much reward in the off 547 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: right center gap as far as hitting home runs, and 548 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: a lot of balls go to die, you subconsciously find 549 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: yourself trying to pull the ball more, knowing that that's 550 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: the chance you have to hit a home run. 551 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 3: And then then, like Lance said, you become much more 552 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: easy to pitch to. 553 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: The batting average comes down, the swing and miss comes down, 554 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: or comes up, the chase comes up, and all of 555 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: a sudden, you know the some of the skills that 556 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 2: he has, he's not utilizing. 557 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: So I'm with Lance. 558 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 2: I think that you stay with a a hit the 559 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: ball all over the field approach. Either's certainly gonna be 560 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 2: counts where you can take a shot to hit homers 561 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: or to try to pull something in the air. But 562 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: if that becomes your your your every at that type 563 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: of mentality, Uh, that's where you become very easy to 564 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: pitch to h They don't ever give you anything middle 565 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: in and you know it's hard to pull the ball 566 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: in the air if they never throw you the ball 567 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: in middle end. So I think it's it's one of 568 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: those things for a hitter, particularly you know, somewhat still young, 569 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: for him to to use the whole field and trust 570 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: that you know, his fast twitch will hit balls. Uh, 571 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: you know, he'll hit his fair share of homers. And 572 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: and you know you'll get some cheapies on the road 573 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: in the central but Bush Stadium there's there's no place 574 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: to to get a get a cheapye and and sometimes uh, 575 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: you know, you you gotta it's uh, you can't fall 576 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: into the trap of trying to pull everything. 577 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: Gentlemen, good stuff. We appreciate it. And that's gonna do it. 578 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: For this edition of Cardinal territory. We'll see you on 579 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: the next episode, and hopefully that one will suck. 580 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 6: Mhm h