WEBVTT - Ep. 20: Charles Post 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:05.960 Hey, everybody, welcome to episode number twenty. I'm the Honey Collective. 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.920 I'm Bet O'Brien. Today I'm joined by a return guest, 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.239 the great Charles Post. He joined me an episode number 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.240 eleven to talk about his background as at Berkeley train 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.720 ecologist and talk about how important it is to think 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:24.680 about ecosystems not just single game animals. There's a lot 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:26.520 we can learn from Charles, and there's a lot he 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.440 has to teach us. But in this conversation, we go, 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.800 we got random, we got deep, but we ended on 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.560 a great conversation around the wild horse issue in the body. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.159 If you're not familiar with that issue, please listen to 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.760 the full podcast because you will find out that's an 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.880 issue for all of us. If you enjoy public lands 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.239 and you enjoy using them, you're gonna want to hear 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.720 what Charles has to say. Without further ado, here's Mr 0:00:52.800 --> 0:01:09.960 Post An episode number twenty. We're recording to Charles. I 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:13.280 have new equipment here. We've seen and now it is 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:18.240 very looks very It's like a whole thing. It has 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.560 a blender built on top of it. Yeah, so we're 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.320 nervous this again. There's regular listeners to the show would 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.520 know that I did delete one remy Warren podcast early on, 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.800 and so now I have the nervousness with new equipment 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.600 that like this is being recorded but will never be 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:39.880 heard by anyone. We're going to go to go with it. 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.399 Hopefully our new equipment is better. The red light looks promising. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:47.000 It is. It's got a little ticker there. There we 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:52.040 go taking forward. Well, where are we at? Man? We're 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.760 in not that I don't know, I do know. Just 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.360 tell the listeners where. Yeah, we're at my house, um 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.600 my fiance and nice movement, a new place just outside 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.880 of Bozeman. So we're looking at there's a bird at 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.520 the feeder. Tell me what kind of bird that is? 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.800 That would be a female as a light bunting yet 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.680 I get yeah, it's fun. So do you sit here? 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.400 What percentage of birds that land on that feed or 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.519 do you know the name of Probably ninety. But there's 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.840 not that. I mean, I'm new to Montana, you know, relatively, 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.360 I've been here for about two years. Coming from the 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.160 West Coast, I knew most of the birds. There's a 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.280 lot more bird species out there, but coming to a 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:35.840 new place, I'm just kind of seeing the season, spring. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.160 This is a this is a grand place, this this town. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.080 I've been here a few times, but yeah, I have 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.080 not been the lake close by your highlight lake, say 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:51.280 it right, but I've heard good things. Yeah, it's a spot. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:52.959 You're in a good spot. I would say it's like 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:58.240 the closest ocean to Bozeman. So why Boseman for you? Originally? Yeah, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.960 so well before before Rachel, before I met my fiancee UM, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:07.400 I was living in northern California, and my most of 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.480 my adult life had been kind of focused around ecology 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.400 and working in academia and working with the scientist. So naturally, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.040 you know, you grow up and you kind of grow 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:21.399 in this space. You're drawn to places like Yellowstone. I mean, boy, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.720 you know, for wildlife, that's kind of like the epicenter. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.800 So I was constantly trying to find ways to get 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:28.600 out here. You know. Also, the fishing is good, the 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.519 hunting is good. You know, there's all these you know, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.919 all these kind of like draws. And then I kind 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:35.680 of got my feet wet and thought to myself, you know, 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.040 one day this would be a good place. And then 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.320 meeting you know, the woman of my dreams who's from here, 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.560 born and raised, you know that kind of like hooked 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.640 me in and you're getting married. Now this is a 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:54.680 big deal. Yeah, right in the middle of fall September. Well, 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.560 the good thing is is that we travel so much. 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.000 It's a it's a great reason to be home for 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.200 that month. Well us, I mean, are you nervous about 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.920 the wedding? No, we didn't talk, and I'm preppy for 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.720 this line of conversation. You know, I think for folks 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.640 who are listening out there, everybody's wedding is different. There's 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:15.280 different expectations, different needs, different mothers in law or mothers 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.120 to cater too. Um So I think for us, we 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.440 initially thought like, let's just a lope, let's keep it simple, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.400 and then we realized you couldn't do that because you know, 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.159 the wedding it is for us, but it's also for 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.120 our friends and family, and we wanted to make a 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.240 space where we could include everybody wanted to be there. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.320 And so it quickly went from this like, oh, we 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.520 should just a lope too, And we got like winter people, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:39.440 you know, and we want to show them a good time, 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:40.880 but we want to do it and I all have 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:45.720 to have crab cakes. I don't understand why fingerfood is key. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.120 Same for my wedding, same thing. I'm like, well, let's 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.719 go to Dominican Republic, Like, yeah, we'll just like swim 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.520 and then we'll get married and then we'll keep swimming. Yeah, 0:04:54.600 --> 0:05:00.160 we'll go see the turtles beat and then yeah, then 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.800 you get to the reality like, well, Aunt and Sharon 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.280 can't come, she can't get on the plane. Had a 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.760 bad hip, damn it. Yeah, I want to do that, Sharon. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.520 Then yes, then you then you get you dialed back 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.719 in a little bit. So that's a natural occurrence. Yeah, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.880 but no, it's coming along. Um, we've made a lot 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.359 of progress. I feel like we just hired a wedding planner, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.359 which is clutch for anybody out there. Wedding planner. Good deal, Yeah, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.920 good deal. So listen. I know you know nobody will 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.919 will hear this. So if you have any fears, you 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.360 want to tea me and you Yeah, and you need 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.480 to talk through anything you oh gosh, any if you're nervous, Yeah, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.760 it's definitely Rachel. She'll never listen to this, so just 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:47.080 let it out. It's cathartic to talk about it, you know. 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.800 I think I think the fear is like you want it. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.520 You want it to be everything you hoped it would be, 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.120 and you want your wife, your future wife to kind 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.840 of have that day. So you know, I know it's 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.880 gonna go. Well, I know everybody in Evolves got their 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.480 heart in it. Um, yeah, I don't know. I think 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:09.760 we have Conrad Anchor doing the words, so he'll he'll 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.120 he'll tell us up. Oh yeah, is he gonna like 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:22.360 propel in no four easy payments of Well, I say 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.720 you could live stream and was follow it would be nice. No, 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.640 it should be good. Rachel and the Lows. Um, he 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.600 grew up together. Conrad has been a big part of 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.440 her life. Um. They climbed anality together and done a 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.320 bunch of cool things. He's uh, yeah, he's been a 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.400 really cool kind of like mentor and what a cool person. Yeah, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.760 I've met him just briefly. Probably wouldn't even know if 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:44.200 he's like I've been bribing, Like I don't know that 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:47.880 is he has security like pull you away, yeah, like 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.600 step back. But he did one time dramal tool one 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.600 of my Yetti ramblers with the signature. I can't say that. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.320 How much do you sell that for? It's one sale 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.359 right now. L's in to this. Click the link in 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.640 the profile. Click the link the profile. Whatever you think 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:09.800 it's worse. Why did that guy ruin your rain? That 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.480 was contractor that's like I haven't signed with any things. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:13.920 Whenever I do, I'm like, well, now you have a 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:19.840 twelve year old signature. Yeah, you don't want that as 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.000 a kid, though, signatures are a big deal totally. I 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.720 don't know why. Somewhere along my life and like, here's 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.200 a guy just writing all my stuff, like don't write 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.280 all my stuff, especially like sports, sports stars and things 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.120 like that, and then they read in your forehead and 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.480 you're like why, why why did you do that? I 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.680 like that part so connected to you. I think, you know. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.000 Speaking of signatures, though, I think there's something to be 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:43.960 said for like whether or not you get the signature, 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.400 like making that step towards like a mentor hero, you know, 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.040 and just having the chance. I mean, I remember in 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.640 grad school of my advisor, she always said, like, you'll 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.320 make more progress in the space by knocking on doors 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.480 and shaking hands and being curious than you will with 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.600 like a straight a or an EMPIC paper or good search. Yeah. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.560 I think you find most people are good people, especially 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.400 if you share a passion with them or whatever. Most 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.040 people are just good, totally. Yeah, and they they feed 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.400 off passion. I think that's what's so cool about your podcast. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.480 And I didn't know you. It's just that I think 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.240 a lot of the conversations that you've had on your 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.000 show come from a space of passion. You know, come 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.880 from a place of of of curiosity and like wanting 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.840 to learn. It's not you know, I'm drawn to those 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:27.640 narratives that come from a place of of curiosity as 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.320 opposed to you know, let me tell you how it is. Yeah, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:33.880 and it's conversations are good. I always I've said this 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.840 many times. It's like you get off of a good 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.880 podcast where you're sitting with somebody. We're just sitting at 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.240 a table in your kitchen or dining this is the 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:45.560 dining room. I'm not good at naming house rooms. And 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.800 it's just it's just like we're hanging out talking. And 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.120 when I was tell my wife about it, she's like, 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:52.560 why do you like it so much? Because I was 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.000 excited for coming to boson this weekend because I'm gonna 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.760 do a bunch of podcasts, And she's like, why are 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.240 you so excited about the podcast portion of it because 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.680 it's fun. And when you get off of a good, 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.679 good conversation, you're like, man, I'm excited that person's passion. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:09.400 If I can just get a little bit of that 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.360 every time, I'm gonna be way better for it totally. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.640 And I think that's why people listen to any podcast, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.040 Like a good conversation is worth more than you think 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.520 it is, even in the moment. And so we just 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.720 now we just record all our good conversations to be 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:31.320 stored forever. Ever. Everyone that's true, Well, we congratulations on 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.440 your marriagehen is gonna happen September. We already said that hopefully, 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.000 you said, hopefully Rachel's getting her hunting license this year. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.200 She can't with me. Last year, Um, I was able 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.520 to connect with an amazing elk And she looked at 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.080 me right after She's like, I'm going to pick one. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.280 I was like, sweetheart, can we just like enjoy the 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.280 fact takes some time to get before we become a 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:57.280 real hunting enjoy the little things. But hopefully we're gonna 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.600 spend some time. You know, we're kind of dedicating that 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.880 month to just being out on the hills and really 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.959 enjoying home and our first fall in this house and wow, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.560 yeah it should be good. Well, that's awesome, that's awesome. Alright, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.280 this place is uh this time of year, I mean, 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.400 what's it mid mid July right now. I mean it's 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.080 it's a little warm, but freaking beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, we 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.320 just drove down the canyon. It's a big sky and 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.400 they're just looking around like this. People people live here. Yeah, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.600 it's and there's there's so much kind I mean, Bozeman 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.200 is awesome because it has so much going on. You know, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.080 you have the university, you have I think a pretty 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:38.920 amazing suite of people with different backgrounds and perspectives and ideals. Um, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.840 it's pretty diverse, especially for this part of the country. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.360 And then you can go, you know, five ten minutes 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.920 in they direction and you're out there, you know, which 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.840 is kind of the time out there. Yeah, to public land, 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.040 to national forests everywhere. Yeah, Rachel grew up just a 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.000 few mines from town, and you know, we've seen moose 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.679 and we saw a wolf run through right next to 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.360 their house, and we've seen grizly bears and the hills 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.920 up here, and you know, it's fice to say I 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.200 like it here. Yeah, it's a good place, the nice place. 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.800 Airport's awesome. It is awesome, you know, super easy. Yeah, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.680 my kid would landed. My kid found like have you 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.800 ever when you go out of security to go in 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.200 the airport there's that little store and there's like a 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.040 stuff bear that's two feet tall. He just he just 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:20.720 ran over hug that bear and just picked it up, 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:25.160 walking like, son, that's theft. But and you're like, it's 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.560 a thousand dollars dollar bear, so you can't have it. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.360 Put it back, you can cut its paw off, don't 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.160 take that home. But yeah, it's like he if he 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.480 goes into the Chicago airport, he's just looking around like, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.280 don't don't hurt me. Totally. Yeah, this is a very 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:37.880 like I think you step off the plane and it's 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.400 it feels approachable. Yeah, you know, accept when it's negative 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.360 twenty in February. Well, anyway, don't move to Montana and 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.000 nobody wants people that live here. Don't let you to 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.440 move here. We're just staging before I moved to Orlando. Yeah, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.480 oh it's nice this time it is. Have you the fishing, yeah, 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.320 and the dolphins in the sand in the tank and 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.960 the Dolphs. Did they still have dolphins in the wild? 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.559 Dolphins dam in the wild? Do they still have them 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.360 in the tanks where the people watch them? Like sea? What? 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.679 I know? The orca thing has a big deal. That's 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.559 a big deal. I don't know enough about that to 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.360 talk about that. Yeah. Blackfish, Yeah, Blackfish is a film 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.559 to watch. I'm not seeing it, but heard a lot 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:18.760 about it. Um, we're rambling, man, We're full. I like rambling. 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.000 I'm feeling feeling like it's a good rambling day. So 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.599 I don't really I want to get all serious or 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.480 anything like that. Well, I appreciate you reaching out. I 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.240 think that first podcast was that was fun. Yeah, well 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.120 you know what got me thinking about that one? You 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:38.000 live here. Obviously we've never met in person. But second, um, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.479 gear Junkie did an article and of the best hunting podcasts, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:43.920 mine was on there and it was like, what's the 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.320 best what was the best episode and they put the 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.240 one with you. Well, let's do another one. So thank 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.520 you gear Junkie. Yeah, thank you. I gotta check out 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.720 the article. Yeah, it just says how great you are 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.680 or Yeah, maybe it's a reflection that people like nerdy 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:03.000 science psychology stuff or just different stuff or just different 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.560 a conversation that goes a different direction, because I find that, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.720 like being in the industry is troublesome for me because 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.960 you don't really have just a regular person's perspective on 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.959 hunting anymore. It's kind of impossible to have that, even 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:18.400 for me when I walk in you know, I've been 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.440 a writer and then working at Yeddie and you know, 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.480 you work in the industry, you get free product, like 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.559 it's just part of the deal, not not ashamed to 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.880 say it. So when you walk going past bro you're like, well, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.880 m it's expensive. It's a lot of money. So there 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.840 is a bubble in our industry that you get in. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.439 It's very easy to one. It's kind of like a 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.920 boys club where you you know, you hit the rumor 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.880 mill and you talk about everybody, and but you lose 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.400 your perspective on gear and you lose your perspective on 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.160 one hunting really is, and how hard it really is 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.040 to get into for people that don't do it, and 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.360 to people that do take part, how hard it is 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.000 on your pocketbook and in your time if you have 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.600 a family, These things are hard up. So when you're 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.199 doing it for a living air quotes, you lose that perspective, 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.840 and maybe that's the goal, because you every really love 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.920 to do it for a living. That that haunts. But 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.000 I think when they hear your perspectives, just watched like, hey, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:18.120 here's a guy who's not talking about these amazing adventures 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:22.400 in a way that that's his business. He started studying 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:26.320 ecology and moved into this, and so those perspectives are 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.200 my God, that's important to me. Yeah, And I think 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.320 I appreciate that, and I think that, you know, one 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.720 of the things that I remember my mentor and graduate 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.000 school told me was, you know, some of the most 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:41.240 um inspiring people that we've had on Earth have married 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.560 to kind of disconnected worlds. You know. It's like the 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.760 mathematician who's a samocist who figures out how to like 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.280 patch a heart, you know, where it's the the farmer 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.880 who's really good at chemistry he figures out how to 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:57.760 make the cropper system strain. And I think that kind 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.600 of blend of perspective is kind of hopefully, you know, 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:07.720 works towards removing that kind of island dynamic that can 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.160 happen in certain communities. You know, whatever field, whether you're 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.120 in sports or science or hunting. You know, you kind 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:14.960 of get on your island. You talked to your tribe, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.880 and you can kind of predict what people are gonna say, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.400 how they're gonna react. Um, obviously there is some some 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:24.200 flux of new ideas and new perspectives, but it can 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.560 be kind of that insular space. Yeah, I mean that's 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:31.400 a good a good point. Like anymore, I'm firmly pro 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.400 nuance and I'm firmly anti tribalism like that, I don't 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.200 know if I can describe myself, like what do you believe? Like, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.720 I don't know those two things for sure. I feel 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.480 like you have to be those two things, Especially if 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.600 you live in a digital space and put content out, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.400 you gotta be like, let's leave room for nuance and 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.640 let's not get in our bubble. Let's let's try to 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.400 like look at everything that an open mind. Yeah, And 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.160 I think, you know, one of the pillars of of 0:15:56.320 --> 0:16:01.280 science is this idea that science is a perfect science 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.560 builds um the you know, our predecessors work. It stands 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.440 on the shoulders of the people that inspired us. And 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.600 the best science stems from the best question and they're 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.640 always the best science always presented with this idea that 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.000 that we are confident in our results. That leaves an 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:23.440 inherent five unknown. So I think that's something that's that 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:27.160 I find interesting with hunting or conservation or ecology or 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:33.280 whatever that society, we the media, whatever, there's this inclination 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.200 to be definitive and to say like it's this way 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.440 or that way, and there's two bins. But what I 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.720 always try to say, like you're talking about that nuance 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.400 that minutia, the weeds are where the magic happens, and 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.920 the weeds are where the truth comes from. Um. So 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.560 it's it's hard because folks, you know, we're we're looking 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.800 for answers, but oftentimes, you know, like I just got 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.080 back fro this horse project, there are answers that are 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.200 applicable to a population, to a herd, to a herd 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:05.680 management area, um to a season, to a rainfall regime, 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.080 you know, and then the second like that place that 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.000 used to have two inch the rain gets no rain, 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.320 then it's a whole different answer. So it's it makes yeah, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.639 But I think that's that's the beauty of, you know, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.280 of looking at the world that way, that there's always 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.439 room to improve and it also takes a long time. Science. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.320 You can't you can't look at something like, well, I 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:29.960 got it. Here's my scientific the final scientific conclusion to 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:34.600 this problem. I just figured out except extinction that that's 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.359 pretty obvious. Are we haven't seen him in a while, 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.080 the one on the ground, and that's he looks like 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.800 you might be the last one the way that he's dead, 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:49.119 which is such a bummer. Yeah, there's so few finalities 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.080 in the exploration of the out the outside or natural world. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.760 There's no finality in the scientific exploration of it. There 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.199 seems to be finality in our opinions when we, you know, 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.720 dial up the rigidity of our own you know, ideologies 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.040 and philosophies and dial it up a little bit, which 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.639 seems a lot of people have done, and then you 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.560 leave no room to one change your mind when something happens, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.439 to change your mind, and to have any kind of 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.399 discourse about something that you may even slightly disagree with 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.600 someone else on. And so I think those things are 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.560 you know, scientific approaches. The scientific approach to life might 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.120 be a little bit better than the way some folks 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.080 are approaching it right now, because it's you know, on 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.240 a lot of issues especially in our entire society, but 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.960 in our hunting space to outdoor space too. I think 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:45.360 it's those those rigid opinions are annoying as ship totally. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:51.080 And I think the oversimplification is annoying because people some 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.119 people are looking for that, you know. I mean, maybe 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.080 that's because we've been trained by the media to look 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.200 for that, because that's a lot of headlines are is 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.960 just an oversimplification, a skewed perspective. You know, it's hard 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.239 to make a living being liminal. It's hard to make 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:10.359 a living being you know, acknowledging the complexities. Yeah, like 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.040 I think in general we shouldn't do this, But let 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.240 me just tell you, here's ten other reasons why you 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:18.159 might be able to in this context. But out of 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.960 that context, I disagree with it. And people like, well, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.800 he this guy sucks. He's anti whatever he just said. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.680 Even though he said it sometimes you could do it, 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.320 he doesn't want you to do it. And he's had 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.720 a plastic water bottle. Yeah that's a single use. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.200 it's it's hard. But I would say, and I think 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:41.879 you're a good example of it, and Rachel as well 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.480 as a good example of it. If you if you 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:49.760 admit that those energies like hey, look, it's positivity, it's curiosity. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.680 It's like I want to go outside, I want to learn, 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.160 I want to learn, I want to soak this up. 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:57.040 Then people will pick up on that, and you do. Eventually, 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.680 then you're not even talked about controversial subjects that much 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.560 because it's just something you're passionate about. You're not talking 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.080 about it because it is a controversy. You're addressing it 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.159 because you're passionate about it, whether it's an argument or not. 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.640 You know, And then that's what's way easier than you know, 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.920 even me as a writer or a journalist, like, oh, 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:16.959 it's a controversy, Well you need to address that now, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.119 but like I don't really care about that thing, right, Like, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.560 let me be passionate about what I'm talking about before 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.240 I dive into the next controversy, because that's the thing 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.920 that people are talking about today. Well it's hard because 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.840 you know, as as people who work in the outdoor 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:34.199 space but also the media and content space, you know, 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.800 you you realize that if you're writing a story, if 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.879 there's two stories, ones on grizzly bears and ones on 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:50.520 the female indigo, bunting. You know, like your indigo bunking 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.560 story is, there's been quite a few more clicks on 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.560 the grizzly bears story. I think you just gotta learn 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:59.320 how to you know, really write really sauce that. But 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.800 but what what we in the science world, we have 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.240 these things called umbrella species, So you can like bend 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:09.000 and compartmentalize these spaces with a totem species, say a 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.639 polar bear, grizzly bear or whatever. Something that's like attractive, 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.960 it catches the eye, and then you can you can 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:18.240 weave in all the underlying narratives that exist because that 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.200 realy bear habitat exists, for that grizzly bear population exists. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.439 So there are ways I think to effectively, in in 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.520 a appropriate way bring the indigo bunting into the narrative 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.320 by saying, hey, it's you know, mountains don't just aren't 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.720