Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back to another edition of All the Smoke. Happy holidays
Speaker 1: to out to everyone out there. Jack. How is your holiday? Man?
Speaker 1: It was good man. I'm just you know, trying to
Speaker 1: be great father for the kids. Make sure they're smiling.
Speaker 1: Ain't about me no more but families healthy, everybody good.
Speaker 1: I have no complaints, my bro. That's good. That's good man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was over here playing Santa Claus until the last minute.
Speaker 1: I was about the Bank of Barnes is closed for months. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm me too, bro. Man. We got Seth Curry on
Speaker 1: the show today. Man, we appreciate you stepping on and
Speaker 1: taking time out of your busy day, especially during the holidays. Man,
Speaker 1: how's everything going. It's all good man. You're having me
Speaker 1: on man, Yeah, I'm talking about the holidays. Man. I
Speaker 1: got like I said, I got two kids now, so
Speaker 1: I was my first one with my daughters three, so
Speaker 1: you know a little bit about it. Put some toys together, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, you just had another son right in September.
Speaker 1: What's it like to finally get that? Boy? I was dope,
Speaker 1: it's dope. I one on one for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: I got another shooter. I'm done. Yeah, hopefully moving. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Hold on, man
Speaker 1: for you start. Let me ask you questions. We're talking
Speaker 1: about all of us being Santa Clause and being broke
Speaker 1: after the holidays. Do you do? Do you do? You?
Speaker 1: And stuff? Trying to one up each other gifts? No,
Speaker 1: not even more, not even more? When when don't we
Speaker 1: see each other that much? Uh? I mean it's hard.
Speaker 1: We're getting gifts with each other. It's hard for to
Speaker 1: get something for stuff. You know, you gotta be creative
Speaker 1: with it. His his his budget a little bit bigger
Speaker 1: than mine. So I'm winning. I'm winning on that on
Speaker 1: that side. Uh yeah, you gotta stay creative. I feel
Speaker 1: that January seven, nearly a year ago, game versus the Nets,
Speaker 1: you tested positive after spending the first quarter of the
Speaker 1: bench replaced in isolation at Barclays in the in in
Speaker 1: response to that, you guys have to quarantine this all
Speaker 1: all this quarantine and COVID is not new but fairly new.
Speaker 1: How has that kind of affected you personally? Being obviously
Speaker 1: you know a family man, father first and husband first
Speaker 1: and foremost. But then also you know, attending to your job.
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough. It's a balance. I mean, you
Speaker 1: gotta job do. You gotta go out there and do
Speaker 1: your job, provide for your family, played the game that
Speaker 1: you love. But at the same time, you gotta try
Speaker 1: to be careful take care of your family. And you
Speaker 1: know that's what you sign up for if you if
Speaker 1: you sign up to play in the league this year,
Speaker 1: you sign up for a little bit of risk going
Speaker 1: out there and possibly get getting the virus bringing it
Speaker 1: back home. But hopefully everybody year around is doing that
Speaker 1: part and the many good party if you get it
Speaker 1: right now. Nobody getting seriously sick around the league right now.
Speaker 1: So um, that's that's the positive part of it, outside
Speaker 1: of kind of having a somewhat stead of yourself off
Speaker 1: the quarters, anything else that you do different from your
Speaker 1: day to day during the season that you didn't do
Speaker 1: since we've been in product and since we've been since
Speaker 1: we've had to spend it. Last year it was crazy,
Speaker 1: you can't really get a hotel. But this year, um,
Speaker 1: kind of getting back to the normal, normal routine and
Speaker 1: stuff you like to do on the role. Me personally,
Speaker 1: I'm in the hotel. I go out to eat with
Speaker 1: a few people every once in a while on a row. Um,
Speaker 1: so my routine don't change too much. It's more the
Speaker 1: guy that I like to get out in the streets
Speaker 1: a little bit more that back a little bit. Jack,
Speaker 1: you might have been in trouble bro Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it. I wouldn't have made it. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: since it's a struggle for them, I would have fall.
Speaker 1: I would have felt right in that category. On November,
Speaker 1: he was traded to Feeling Exchange with Josh Rishton and
Speaker 1: the draft rights to Tyler Bait from the Maps. How
Speaker 1: do you feel about the trade? Initially I thought it
Speaker 1: was a mistake initially uh on the mask pot but um.
Speaker 1: But me personally, I mean I was I didn't know
Speaker 1: what I was getting into. As far as the role
Speaker 1: I would have in Philly. I knew they needed shooting
Speaker 1: and spread up for for Joe and and being and
Speaker 1: do what I do. But I mean a role it
Speaker 1: was kind of blessing in the skies. It was. It
Speaker 1: was a starting role for me, somebody I didn't do
Speaker 1: consistently over my career, So I got the chance, like
Speaker 1: I got a chance to start. They tend to play
Speaker 1: with the ball in my head a little bit more play,
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a playmaker on top of
Speaker 1: spreading the four knocking down shots. So I had my
Speaker 1: best season last year and it's carried over this year. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was a great opportunity for me
Speaker 1: building team chemistry. How is it business? For a lot
Speaker 1: going on over there? You know Doc Rills is a
Speaker 1: great coach, somebody me in mad respect. How how's it
Speaker 1: been this year with everything going on? Building the chemistry
Speaker 1: with you guy, it's been solid. It's outside of being
Speaker 1: everybody came back. I was on the team last year
Speaker 1: for the most part, so we know we know each other.
Speaker 1: Chemistry been solid. Ben had been around the team too much,
Speaker 1: so it's not like he's coming in out of practice,
Speaker 1: in and out again games messing up the chemistry. We
Speaker 1: kind of know who we got. Obviously were missing a
Speaker 1: big piece from last year, but we know who we
Speaker 1: got and we're trying to make it work um with
Speaker 1: the with the talent we have, and it's just up
Speaker 1: and down season. Were obviously guys are out the line
Speaker 1: with COVID. That's the biggest thing in chemistry wise, right,
Speaker 1: question real quick before you go on. Um, I kind
Speaker 1: of find like, obviously, being former players, I kind of
Speaker 1: think I know the answer. But when all that ben
Speaker 1: ship was going on at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: was that it kind of feels like that you guys
Speaker 1: will probably be a lot you guys are still locked
Speaker 1: in the locker room. It was just really outside noise
Speaker 1: doing all the talking or was it there a little
Speaker 1: bit of rumbling inside the locker room as well? It
Speaker 1: was all in the locker room. One time we talked
Speaker 1: about it was obviously Doctor addressed it early in the season,
Speaker 1: um first day of training camp in and then one
Speaker 1: time we talked about when the media come in that
Speaker 1: feeling media that's all they want to talk about is
Speaker 1: is drama when we get in front of them, obviously
Speaker 1: doing their jobs. But when we step on the floor,
Speaker 1: like I said, we knew who we had in the
Speaker 1: locker room. We knew it was gonna show up the
Speaker 1: play every day and we're trying to make it work.
Speaker 1: So um, we honestly, like I said, we tried. We
Speaker 1: kind of cheated, Like a long term injury injury we knew, Ben,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be there for the for the started season.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta adjust. We're smart. You played alongside
Speaker 1: with probably the best big best big man in the
Speaker 1: game right now, you know safe him. Still get props
Speaker 1: to Yokich as well. But I love one thing I
Speaker 1: love about Joel's I love him his personality. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: so I can tell he's somebody that I can be around.
Speaker 1: Obviously he came out at one time with Jimmy Butland
Speaker 1: I was able to go out to eat with him,
Speaker 1: a good a chance to hang around him. But how
Speaker 1: is it playing with somebody that's so talented at that size,
Speaker 1: but also somebody that's a real person off the court.
Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. I mean on the court we
Speaker 1: were kind of like a matchman of having our two games, um,
Speaker 1: just the way we fit each other. But he talented
Speaker 1: as can be at his size, moving his feet, can
Speaker 1: shoot the ball, handle the ball, pass, you can do
Speaker 1: all that. So on the court is great, but he's
Speaker 1: he getting better as a as a leader in the
Speaker 1: locker room. Um, Doc, that's one way Doc really challenging
Speaker 1: this year to to be more a little bit more
Speaker 1: vocal be more positive every day with the guys because
Speaker 1: you kind of go. You're gonna go with your best player, goes.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's bringing the energy every day and
Speaker 1: spreading it to the other guys, we're gonna be a
Speaker 1: much better team. I mean it's more than just coming
Speaker 1: in and getting twenty five and ten every day. You
Speaker 1: gotta bring the energy to to to make your teammates
Speaker 1: better than he's doing that this year. Taking it back
Speaker 1: to Charlotte, North Carolina, what was it like growing up
Speaker 1: in your home? Obviously growing up in a basketball family?
Speaker 1: Your dad did this thing? Big bros, Big bro? What
Speaker 1: was it like? Uh for you growing up? Um? Was
Speaker 1: basketball always something you knew you wanted to do? Because
Speaker 1: you have two people? How are you doing it? Or
Speaker 1: did you know? What did you start off doing? I
Speaker 1: mean we started all they put it, dude. Our parents
Speaker 1: wanted to play all types of sports growing up. They
Speaker 1: wanted to play and everything. I played a lot of
Speaker 1: football and baseball with basketball growing up, just trying to
Speaker 1: find out what I love to do. But obviously it
Speaker 1: was it was basketball because we were able to follow
Speaker 1: my dad around as much as we could when we
Speaker 1: don't have school. He was taking us to the games,
Speaker 1: taking us to practices, and I think that that allowed
Speaker 1: us to find that love of the game, and we
Speaker 1: just learned so much just just seeping through our brains
Speaker 1: without even knowing, and just being around and being guys
Speaker 1: every day. So um, that's that's kind of how we
Speaker 1: developed our competitiveness, I love for the game, and honestly
Speaker 1: our skill set with from that. We were always in
Speaker 1: the gym, messing around, trick shots, shooting from all over
Speaker 1: the floor, and you can see that in the way
Speaker 1: we play, especially Steff with some of some of the
Speaker 1: stuff he does. Just his creativeness. I think that came
Speaker 1: from being in the gym from I don't even know,
Speaker 1: from an early age growing up. I mean you mentioned it,
Speaker 1: and obviously Jack and I were both fathers in the league,
Speaker 1: and and my last four years my twins got to
Speaker 1: travel around with me. Um, particularly that seventeen championship team
Speaker 1: with your brother. You couldn't tell the twins they weren't
Speaker 1: a part of the Warriors. They were trying to take
Speaker 1: steps trophy and Katie's MVP trophy on the stage and
Speaker 1: hold that ship up with what they got rings they
Speaker 1: would should be quiet, man, They got rings, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they're definitely official. But as at a young age, what
Speaker 1: are some of the things you remember about being around
Speaker 1: some of the players that you saw at such a
Speaker 1: young age, Because, like I said, I think my kids
Speaker 1: kind of take it for granted because they were around Kobe,
Speaker 1: Steph KD, Chris, Paul Blake. You know, what were some
Speaker 1: of the guys you remember being around at the young
Speaker 1: ages that you were coming in off? Yeah, you say
Speaker 1: bringing you you bring your kids around as much as possible.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. People ask me, how you what
Speaker 1: I should do with my kids, uh growing up? I say,
Speaker 1: bring them around as much as possible. Yeah, Like so
Speaker 1: I love to see your kids in the gym, even
Speaker 1: back then, seeing him on the court, running around, shooting
Speaker 1: the ball, just having fun. Um, because I remember those
Speaker 1: experiences being around muggy balls, chasing a great Evince Carter
Speaker 1: in Toronto when they were teammates with my pops and
Speaker 1: we were just we were jumping and shooting games, doing
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff we probably shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: doing at that age, messing up practices. But uh, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like it's it's like I said,
Speaker 1: I think back now, it's it's really how we developed
Speaker 1: our game and our skill set and and just like said,
Speaker 1: we didn't even know what we were doing back then,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's a big part of who we are, right.
Speaker 1: You mentioned you guys played a bunch of different sports
Speaker 1: growing up. What was it like competing with your brother
Speaker 1: day and day out? Was it's just straight competition? Was
Speaker 1: there fights? What did you beat him in? We said
Speaker 1: were like two and a half years apart. So I
Speaker 1: was always close enough to where I felt like I
Speaker 1: could beat him. I feel like I was better than him,
Speaker 1: but I was I was never really there. So, um,
Speaker 1: that competitiveness was in any and everything growing up, it
Speaker 1: was it was heated. We were fighting. Mom had to
Speaker 1: come out of the backyard break up a lot of fights. Um.
Speaker 1: And when we went off to college and kind of
Speaker 1: it kind of died down. We became much better friends
Speaker 1: when we kind of got out of the household together
Speaker 1: because we weren't competing as much. And um, when is heated.
Speaker 1: But those battles and those things are really the reason
Speaker 1: why I meant where I met today because I kind
Speaker 1: of got advantage of having an older brother who was
Speaker 1: always pushing me, and somebody always felt like I was
Speaker 1: close enough to to get to his level, and I
Speaker 1: was always chasing him. Let's do mid Liberty, you let
Speaker 1: all freshmans nationally and the average points per game and
Speaker 1: broke the Big South Conference single season score record as
Speaker 1: a freshman. What do you remember about that? What was
Speaker 1: what made you decide to go to Liberty? Honestly, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't recruited heavily. I had probably two or three UM
Speaker 1: scholarship offers coming out of high school. I went to
Speaker 1: Liberty just because I had a great relationship with that
Speaker 1: coach at the time, Richie McKay. He he recruited me
Speaker 1: hard from from the jump. Um, I knew I was
Speaker 1: gonna come in and and have an opportunity to play. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest things my pops in my
Speaker 1: high school coach is at telling me, go somewhere where
Speaker 1: you gonna have opportunity to come in and play, not
Speaker 1: somewhere you're gonna go in and sit on the bench
Speaker 1: for a couple of years and maybe get a chance
Speaker 1: to play later on. So, um, my guy didn't got
Speaker 1: to learn, make some mistakes and and got off to
Speaker 1: a quick start. My freshman year, you wrote number thirty
Speaker 1: and liberty, the same number your dad and your older
Speaker 1: brother war in their careers. You choose thirty like your
Speaker 1: father said, Yeah, your brother, that's why you got it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you already know that's that's the family number. Growing up.
Speaker 1: Want to want to be like my pops. And I
Speaker 1: mean when I got the chance to get it in
Speaker 1: college and even when I get when I came in
Speaker 1: the NBA, I'm gonna wear thirties as much as possible.
Speaker 1: So is it is it a story your dad got
Speaker 1: behind the number? Why he chose it the same reason
Speaker 1: why y'all choose y'all chose I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: think he told him it's a story once while he
Speaker 1: chose thirty when nothing nothing memorable and nothing like that.
Speaker 1: So I can yeah, yeah, can you can? Your dad
Speaker 1: still hold his own in the shooting contest with y'all,
Speaker 1: no question, you can shoot it. You already know he
Speaker 1: could shoot it. He don't want to move around a
Speaker 1: lot um. He definitely gonna play us one on one
Speaker 1: and nothing like that. I think when Steph beat him,
Speaker 1: I think he was in high school. Step beat him
Speaker 1: one on one. That was the last time he played
Speaker 1: either of us in one on one. So it's just
Speaker 1: horse games, shooting competitions, and and that that shooting touch
Speaker 1: is gonna go away. You don't matter. He got he
Speaker 1: got a chance in the horse. He got a chance
Speaker 1: of horse I know that. Yeah. And he's gonna talk
Speaker 1: to you. He's gonna talk like those guys back in
Speaker 1: the day when he when he was playing. Their trash
Speaker 1: talk is on a different level. So he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna try to get in your head. And that's another
Speaker 1: element you gotta deal with. Yeah, that o G slick talk. Yes,
Speaker 1: sir yea. So transferred to Duke for the rules. You
Speaker 1: had to sit out the two thousand nine ten season.
Speaker 1: What was it like knowing that, Okay, you did your
Speaker 1: thing at Liberty, You're getting a chance to go to Duke.
Speaker 1: What was that preparation like during that down year for you?
Speaker 1: That was a huge year for him because I got
Speaker 1: to test myself against the best team in the nation
Speaker 1: that year where they wanted won the championship that year,
Speaker 1: the National Championship, guys like Knowling Smith, John Shire Um.
Speaker 1: I was competing with them every day in practice, trying
Speaker 1: to get them ready for the games. But I mean
Speaker 1: Coach K, that's what he was telling me that these practices,
Speaker 1: these scrimmages of your are your game situation. So I
Speaker 1: was I was testing myself. I was getting ready, getting stronger,
Speaker 1: and it kind of set set me out for my
Speaker 1: my cost career. What's it like playing for Coach K.
Speaker 1: Obviously you know you hear a lot of different stories.
Speaker 1: But what sets him apart um from other coaches obviously
Speaker 1: his his petty agree and um, just to respect level
Speaker 1: that everybody has for him once they step on that campus.
Speaker 1: It is great. So you're gonna listen to everything he says,
Speaker 1: and uh, he's gonna push you. I mean every year
Speaker 1: he's bringing in blue Chips, five star cruise. He ain't
Speaker 1: gonna coach everyone on the same push him to the limits.
Speaker 1: You gotta standard, you gotta live up to when you
Speaker 1: put on that dude jersey. And it's about winning at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. So, um, if you're in
Speaker 1: his trust, this that that says a lot. And and
Speaker 1: unfortunately was able to do that while I was there.
Speaker 1: And I mean I learned I think back on stuff
Speaker 1: in and and lessons that he taught us. A practice
Speaker 1: in games that I still live about to to this day. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: You mentioned john Shire, Nolan Smith, your red shirt year.
Speaker 1: The next year Kyrie comes in, you get to work
Speaker 1: with him. Unfortunately he gets hurt, but that opens an
Speaker 1: opportunity for you to be a starter. What was it
Speaker 1: like in his brief time, because like I said, I
Speaker 1: know he was hurt, but getting a chance to work
Speaker 1: and go against Kyrie and having him as a teammate,
Speaker 1: he was a monster from day one. I mean, like
Speaker 1: he stepped on campus, it was like Kari's he's nice,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a number one pick. We we you know,
Speaker 1: he had those those preseasons, uh, like scrimmages and pickup games,
Speaker 1: and from the first pick up game, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he number one pick. He got a different Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got different level from from from everybody else that
Speaker 1: was there at the time. So when we had a
Speaker 1: squad and he and he took it over from the
Speaker 1: jump outs. So he got hurt and we still we
Speaker 1: still he went down. We still want the um they
Speaker 1: C championship that year. So that's kind of talent the
Speaker 1: team we had and being like I said, practice against
Speaker 1: those guys UM at that time was was huge for
Speaker 1: everybody's confidence. Who was some of the guys on that
Speaker 1: team that went on too the league with you? We
Speaker 1: were stacked. We had a squad, so it was no
Speaker 1: one Smith you drafted, Uh, Kyle Singler, Ryan Kelly Mason,
Speaker 1: and Miles Plumbly, Andre Dawkins. I mean we had a
Speaker 1: legit seven eight guys who are who passed some time
Speaker 1: in the NBA on that team. So um all someone
Speaker 1: that Austin came to next year. Uh yeah, so they
Speaker 1: were there were in and out going into NBA draft
Speaker 1: and being undrafted. I was drafted the second second to
Speaker 1: the last pick in the draft, so that you know,
Speaker 1: I know what it feels like to be overlooked. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you knew what you had to do,
Speaker 1: being that you had a father, would experience you know
Speaker 1: what I mean that that can that can help you
Speaker 1: in that time. What was your what was your thought
Speaker 1: process when you didn't get drafted. I mean I had
Speaker 1: an injury said that was a big part of not
Speaker 1: getting drafted and not um having a chance to compete
Speaker 1: with guys doing the pre draft process. Had surgery rafting
Speaker 1: my senior season, so I was rehabbing stuff, but I
Speaker 1: knew if if I got healthy, I knew I had
Speaker 1: the talent in this and the skill level to to
Speaker 1: play in the NBA. Obviously working with Steph in the
Speaker 1: summer working on my game, I knew, I like, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm working with Steff. I know I'm working with on
Speaker 1: his drills. I'm I'm compete with him and shooting games.
Speaker 1: I'm like if I'm I'm close to him that I know,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of guys in the league that that
Speaker 1: can't mess with me. So at that confidence level was
Speaker 1: was it was Scott high as far as that was
Speaker 1: just matter getting the opportunity to so I can I
Speaker 1: can play at that level. Yeah, what's your friends like,
Speaker 1: you got to the D League? What was that experience?
Speaker 1: Like League LEA. Now, yeah, it was a D League
Speaker 1: at that time, but we were really in the D League,
Speaker 1: like playing in Santa Cruer, playing the here. You gotta
Speaker 1: love the game to play it out there. I've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of guys with talent that that quick, because
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a tough role. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I just just working on my game. It was
Speaker 1: a big experience because I got to put the ball
Speaker 1: in my hands, got to learn the NBA system, play
Speaker 1: with the NBA three point line. Um, learn my game.
Speaker 1: It's completely different than college. Still just the pick and rolls,
Speaker 1: the sets. Um, he said, a little bit of adjustment episode.
Speaker 1: But instead of like most guys who get drafted second round,
Speaker 1: even some guys in the first round, instead of sitting
Speaker 1: the bench and not playing, Um, I got to get
Speaker 1: those game reps, work on my game. And that's when
Speaker 1: I really knew I could. I could play the NBA
Speaker 1: level if I really got an opportunity too. And it's
Speaker 1: a it's a roller coaster, you know, going from the
Speaker 1: G League to the NBA, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: getting the opportunity and not really get a chance to
Speaker 1: play because people don't know your game, like all that
Speaker 1: could be frustrated. Was it easier for you to be
Speaker 1: able to deal with all that and having that bumpy
Speaker 1: road knowing that you had people with experience behind you
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know what, they give you advice
Speaker 1: where you want to panic, if somebody else, to have
Speaker 1: somebody in there. You. Yeah, it's it's tough. You I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all know it's it's tough. And um, when you nobody,
Speaker 1: no teams really invested. Then you come up there, you
Speaker 1: might not play, get sent back down. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: my dad, my pops one one big thing. My Pops
Speaker 1: came to a game and here he watched me play,
Speaker 1: and he sat me down out there afterwards, and he
Speaker 1: really put a battery in my back as far as saying, like,
Speaker 1: you can you can play at the at the NBA level.
Speaker 1: You gotta get the opportunity, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: That He honest, dude, He's gonna be honest. If if
Speaker 1: he ain't see it in he would have been like, hey,
Speaker 1: just go over see you can make some good money,
Speaker 1: do your thing, you know what I'm saying. But he was.
Speaker 1: He really kept on hunting with me. It was like,
Speaker 1: if you get out tunity, you can play at the league.
Speaker 1: And I mean that was the toughest part of just
Speaker 1: waiting my turn. Like like I said, I'm not drafting.
Speaker 1: Nobody invested a draft picked in me, money and me,
Speaker 1: and there's no reason for anybody to give me an
Speaker 1: opportunity to play at the NBA. Just like I said,
Speaker 1: I just had to be patient weight and finally got
Speaker 1: the opportunity. That's what people don't understand is like Once
Speaker 1: you get to that level, there's so many politics. Whether
Speaker 1: you're you know, a late second round pick like myself
Speaker 1: and Jack are not drafted yourself. They're invested in other people,
Speaker 1: so they're going to give them motherfucker's every single chance
Speaker 1: they have to succeed. So if you're late second round
Speaker 1: or not even drafted, there's a lot of guys to
Speaker 1: get washed out the league just not even getting a chance,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people can play, but just don't
Speaker 1: get that chance. Right business, these fund officers, they got
Speaker 1: jobs tied into guys they drafted. Um, so even if
Speaker 1: you you out playing them and you can help the
Speaker 1: team win, it's like if this, if this guy drafted
Speaker 1: first round, don't pan out, you will make them with
Speaker 1: bad exactly exactly straight up talk about it. Kind of
Speaker 1: feel like your first real shot was with the King's
Speaker 1: your first obviously first guaranteed contract. What was it like,
Speaker 1: finally really getting that Okay, I'm getting some real burn.
Speaker 1: Now I'm getting to show my skill set. What was
Speaker 1: that experience like for you? But that was big? That
Speaker 1: was huge. Uh, Like I said, I gotta guarantee contract
Speaker 1: out there, so I knew I would eventually get a
Speaker 1: chance to play and out there with me to being
Speaker 1: being a guy being around Buggie at the time, Rudy
Speaker 1: Gay is trying to trying to fit in, trying to
Speaker 1: find my role and and yeah, I think we kind
Speaker 1: of worked in my favorite as far as we were
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs later in the season, guys were
Speaker 1: sitting down to the vets and they threw the young
Speaker 1: guys out there for like a ten fifteen game stress
Speaker 1: where we were getting to play, and I had a
Speaker 1: I had a great stress and really kind of solidifying
Speaker 1: myself as far as being able to be assistant player.
Speaker 1: So um, I mean those those in the games, in
Speaker 1: the game, in the season games, I should say, uh,
Speaker 1: I can make a great guy's career to absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 1: I want to take a step back. You got the
Speaker 1: chance to play with Prime, Boogie and Prime and Bed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who are you taking And that's a tough question if
Speaker 1: you're playing with right now? But Boogie was a cold Yeah, Boogie,
Speaker 1: he was a monster. Well he was a monster. They
Speaker 1: real similar. They both can handle the ball. Um. I
Speaker 1: think Buggie played a little bit more on the perimeter,
Speaker 1: taking off the dribble a little bit more than than
Speaker 1: Joel does, but he can do it. They both go
Speaker 1: on the offensive. Man, I think Joe a little bit
Speaker 1: more of dominant defensively as far as just holding down
Speaker 1: the paint um and just just really solidifying the whole defense.
Speaker 1: So I give Joe the edge right there. Two of
Speaker 1: the bigger shooting bigs I think we've ever seen. I
Speaker 1: was just telling Jack before you came up, we were
Speaker 1: doing our other show, like and Beat is doing it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because I said, I haven't seen no big
Speaker 1: do it since Boogie. But taking dudes off the perimeter,
Speaker 1: off the dribble, going into step backs and shot faces
Speaker 1: and all this ship like with guards guarden, Like this
Speaker 1: dude is like over seven feet tall, like doing this
Speaker 1: ship with just that one's foot lean back. I'm like, yeo,
Speaker 1: this big one's cold, man, especially you got all that
Speaker 1: you gotta you kind of gotta you gotta add that
Speaker 1: now because he begetting beat up and in the paint
Speaker 1: and it's harder scoring and no matter how good you are,
Speaker 1: they let all that physic out to go down. So
Speaker 1: if you really want to have impact every night, you
Speaker 1: gotta be able to step out and make some jump
Speaker 1: shots every once in awhile else. But actually I'm glad
Speaker 1: they started going back to that because for a minute
Speaker 1: there was too many motherfucker. Well, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that, because obviously it's changed a little bit this
Speaker 1: year about the rest not calling as many fouls. Are
Speaker 1: you thinking guys are just out there hacking or is
Speaker 1: it kind of a steady balance. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on it? Because I felt like for a while it
Speaker 1: was too many whistles. Now they're not as many whistles.
Speaker 1: Do you think they need to meet somewhere in the
Speaker 1: middle you kind of like where it's at right now.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, but I mean it's
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of got out of hand where
Speaker 1: they weren't calling anything, they weren't projecting jump shooters and
Speaker 1: getting hit on a getting hit on the risk a
Speaker 1: little bit. So the rest they kind of change the rules,
Speaker 1: and the rest kind of ran with as far we're
Speaker 1: gonna let any any and everything going defense. So that's
Speaker 1: why you saw some of those those scores being lowest,
Speaker 1: shooting percentage dropping. But I mean, like I said, with anything,
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna adjust, They're gonna hear feedback from
Speaker 1: the players and the coaches and they try to get
Speaker 1: it better. It so, uh you see James, James free
Speaker 1: throws starting to go back up a little bit. Um guys,
Speaker 1: guys kind of getting back to themselves. Dames getting back
Speaker 1: to himself. So it's just adjusting to the whistle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a shooter yourself. The ball chains this year, did
Speaker 1: that make any difference for any effect on you? Going
Speaker 1: from obviously Spaulding for so many years now it's Wilson.
Speaker 1: I don't think it affected me, but it's it's different
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, uh, it feels a little different leather,
Speaker 1: a little different, reacts on the rim differently. But I
Speaker 1: mean I was able to work with it all summer,
Speaker 1: kind of got used to it, So I don't think
Speaker 1: it affected my my game, on my on my shot
Speaker 1: too much. Eighteen you played with Dallas. I thought you
Speaker 1: were a great fifth there we actually really you thought
Speaker 1: Dallas made a mistake. What was your biggest takeaway from
Speaker 1: getting a chance to play in Dallas. I love Dallas.
Speaker 1: I love Dallas of the love the city, the organization
Speaker 1: they I mean playing for Rick Carlile, great office of mine,
Speaker 1: really knows the game. So he put me in a
Speaker 1: and he likes to play with with his system. He
Speaker 1: not scared a throw two guards out there that can
Speaker 1: that can may play two smaller guards he played with
Speaker 1: like he played with J. Kidd and and J. J.
Speaker 1: Berey a lot. It was me and J. J. Berey
Speaker 1: a lot, Me and Darren Williams a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of smaller guards out there who who were dynamics.
Speaker 1: So he put me in good positions, really gave me
Speaker 1: an opportunity to to make some plays and show what
Speaker 1: I could do too. And yeahl in my game to
Speaker 1: another level. So uh, I mean I love Dallas. That's
Speaker 1: why I still live in the off season. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's huge for my career. After the season, you go
Speaker 1: to the Trailblazers, what was it like, you know, speaking
Speaker 1: to two guards playing in I mean they had you
Speaker 1: you guys, throw you guys in. There's three guards sometimes.
Speaker 1: What was it like playing alongside c J and Dane
Speaker 1: in Portland? That was probably the best year, most funny
Speaker 1: year in my career. We obviously made to the to
Speaker 1: the Western Conference finals. Um, but that team, that team
Speaker 1: was so locked in. We have veterans, we had young
Speaker 1: guys who were good. We had I mean, we had
Speaker 1: from top to bottom, we had a really underrated roster.
Speaker 1: So uh, just being about to compliment Damon c j Um,
Speaker 1: that's how you learned from them and ask some stuff
Speaker 1: that they do to my game. It's huge for me,
Speaker 1: And I mean I culminated and everybody knew that roles
Speaker 1: in that team and all culminate on that. That playoff
Speaker 1: run that we had obviously ran into the Warriors. Who
Speaker 1: who got us about it there? But I mean that
Speaker 1: was that was That was a great season. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people to understand how good. Obviously I
Speaker 1: really liked your team, but you know, there was a
Speaker 1: good three year stretch where Portland was one of the
Speaker 1: better teams in the league, but they kept running into
Speaker 1: the Warriors, you know what I mean, they had a
Speaker 1: hell of a team, and I think they've kind of
Speaker 1: digressed since then. But Portland, I mean, particularly that year,
Speaker 1: you guys were loaded. Like you said, I think it
Speaker 1: was definitely under undervaluated team because you guys had depth
Speaker 1: as well. I like the coach. You guys played hard
Speaker 1: and it's funny you said everyone knew their role. You
Speaker 1: guys are everyone played their role to a team. So
Speaker 1: what was it like actually running into your brother in
Speaker 1: the playoffs with your mom and dad in the stands.
Speaker 1: One has one jersey, one has the other. What was
Speaker 1: it like? I mean, thinking of all the battles and
Speaker 1: the fights as youngsters and now you guys both have
Speaker 1: a chance to go to the finals. What was it
Speaker 1: like playing against your brother that kind of opportunity? I mean,
Speaker 1: I was, it was. That was fun, man, I was.
Speaker 1: I was. Seriously I always remember because I mean, we're
Speaker 1: one of the biggest stage, Western Conference finals, playing against
Speaker 1: my brother, playing against the best team to leave for
Speaker 1: the past few years, um, and just going at it competing.
Speaker 1: We're matching up against each other and guarding each other's
Speaker 1: I mean, stuff you dream about, and it's it's always
Speaker 1: weird when we play stuff in them because I mean,
Speaker 1: for eighty two games out the year, I want him
Speaker 1: to play well. I want to I want to see
Speaker 1: them win. When we strapped him up and play against
Speaker 1: each other, it's the opposite. I'm going out there trying
Speaker 1: to trying to shut them down. I want to see
Speaker 1: them lose. Be competing it gets nasty, so um, it's
Speaker 1: a weird dynamic. Obviously, we don't want to make this
Speaker 1: a stuff interview, but you know, your brother has just
Speaker 1: made some you know, amazing historical accomplishments. Um, so we
Speaker 1: definitely want to touch on that. What was it like,
Speaker 1: what was your kinc something to your fondest memories growing
Speaker 1: up in battling. Obviously it just got a chance of
Speaker 1: comb and hopefully it'll reach you guys to get a
Speaker 1: chance to see each other on the biggest stage one day.
Speaker 1: But growing up kind of the little brother with you know,
Speaker 1: Steph and then your dad being who he was. What
Speaker 1: were some of the most inspirational or kind of funny
Speaker 1: things that you guys used to get into or do
Speaker 1: I mean any and everything or any any brother to
Speaker 1: any siblings who were close in age. I mean we
Speaker 1: were tied to the hip, following my pops around as
Speaker 1: much as possible and really find anything to compete at
Speaker 1: anything to have some fun with waste time, get you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So uh, I mean like say
Speaker 1: he brought out the record or whatever, I feel like
Speaker 1: he deserves it, and me saying the work he put
Speaker 1: in over time, the way he changed the game, the
Speaker 1: way he pushed the envelope. As far as people complaining
Speaker 1: about maybe we shoot too many threes? Is he doing
Speaker 1: he taking crazy shots? But he I mean, you stick
Speaker 1: to it. He he that's who he's always being, honestly,
Speaker 1: from from from middle school to high school whatever, that's
Speaker 1: he always played the game the same way. So that's
Speaker 1: a record that he deserves to have. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why, um, everybody made it such a big deal
Speaker 1: all week, you know what I'm saying, Like last last
Speaker 1: time when Ray wrote the record, I mean I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about it, but I don't think it's
Speaker 1: this big a deal. I'm like, every time every time
Speaker 1: I tell on TV, I see is he breaking the
Speaker 1: record of the day, I'm like, it ain't the all
Speaker 1: times going record. This is it's a big deal because
Speaker 1: of who he is, and it's it's the guy, Like
Speaker 1: he's the guy who should have this record. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: What was it like? You know, we've spoke on your dad,
Speaker 1: we spoke on your brother. What was it like kind
Speaker 1: of getting out of both their shadows and being recognized
Speaker 1: as not step brother no more, but actually recognized as
Speaker 1: your own man because you're out there actually putting that work,
Speaker 1: that that that that earned you the respect you deserve.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it feels good to people look at me
Speaker 1: who I am, looking at my my individual game and
Speaker 1: what I've what I've accomplished over my career. Just kind
Speaker 1: of get that recognition feel good. But I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: I I'll never pay attention to it, even if i'm
Speaker 1: if I'm now always look to step brother or Dell's son,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is. I'm confident in my own
Speaker 1: skin and the stuff that kind of built for that stuff.
Speaker 1: Both of us had to deal with a whole lot
Speaker 1: growing up in Charlotte, being the son of an NBA
Speaker 1: player who played that for ten years. It's like, if
Speaker 1: you don't got tough skin and and able to deal
Speaker 1: with it, you ain't gonna You ain't gonna make It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a hard life. So kind of build for
Speaker 1: the for the scrutiny, the eyes, and it's just part
Speaker 1: of it. I'm like I said, I'm comfortable with my skin.
Speaker 1: I know who I am as a player. Um first
Speaker 1: and foremost married to Kellie Rivers, doc's daughter. What is
Speaker 1: that like playing for your your wife's dad in the
Speaker 1: n B A T tell me how is that brow?
Speaker 1: That's cool? Man? It's cool, doctor, doctor, A solid dude,
Speaker 1: man as cool as they come. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When I when I got traded there, CALLI was probably
Speaker 1: the maddest one. She didn't want she didn't want to,
Speaker 1: not want the deal to go down. She's not when
Speaker 1: we playing for Pops. You know what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: But it happened, and I mean it's been a smooth
Speaker 1: selling pretty much. Doctor. I mean, like I said, you
Speaker 1: know who's the quecomber we're gonna coach with the same
Speaker 1: way listen to feedback. It's probably easy on doctors. He
Speaker 1: had the coaches his own son, so his ractional son.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't apart from yeah, that we was on
Speaker 1: that team where he got we signed him, uh New
Speaker 1: Orleans and let him go and we assigned him and
Speaker 1: coming to l A of all places too. And it's
Speaker 1: just like and he took a lot because he you know,
Speaker 1: he gave awesome the deal and everything. So I couldn't
Speaker 1: imagine that pressure of having to coach your son. So
Speaker 1: probably you guys Dad had like he said, it's a
Speaker 1: lot easier than have him having actually coach his son.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, you ain't worried about it, right, What
Speaker 1: other habits. You got what your what a day off
Speaker 1: looked like for you besides daddy duty, Yeah, daddy duty.
Speaker 1: Now I'm I'm low key. They come and I'm chilling
Speaker 1: watching TV shows, playing playing more golf, try and keep up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, getting better and better at golf.
Speaker 1: Change the diapers a little bit. I changed a few
Speaker 1: of them. Maybe put me to work a little bit.
Speaker 1: Uh that's something I gotta, I gotta do. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm laying a little keeping keeping it at
Speaker 1: the crib and locking on the TV shows. Question real quick. Obviously,
Speaker 1: being a father of young kids, I had to learn
Speaker 1: the hard way because I had went from nothing to twins,
Speaker 1: and I know I wore myself out personally trying to
Speaker 1: help and help with feedings a night and everything. You
Speaker 1: guys have help so that you know when you when
Speaker 1: you need the rest, you can't help or you can't rest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do got help, that's the I mean. So we
Speaker 1: got the living nanny, night nurse. So, uh it's expensive,
Speaker 1: but it's the best money spent because you get that sleep.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean this is we're on the road
Speaker 1: a lot, so I mean having two kids in the house.
Speaker 1: Now it's a different it's a whole different animal. So
Speaker 1: you don't want to leave it back there by so absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you got and you got Grandma and Grandpa not
Speaker 1: too far. Yeah, I can't forget them. I can't. I
Speaker 1: gotta show them a lot of love because they him
Speaker 1: in and help help too. And um, especially with the
Speaker 1: old one. Did you know you currently have the second
Speaker 1: highest career three point field goal percentage in NBA history,
Speaker 1: right upon the Steve Kerr and your brother and your
Speaker 1: brother is within tim How does that? Yeah? I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, I mean it feels good. I mean
Speaker 1: I probably myself on being efficient, just being able to
Speaker 1: do my job every night, and and just a shooting family,
Speaker 1: just a shooting family. I was about to say that, bro,
Speaker 1: like they shoot the ship out the ball and then
Speaker 1: they got they got they got to he got he
Speaker 1: got one, and then Steph got one us just like
Speaker 1: that shooting Lenny is just going to continue to carry
Speaker 1: I hope so I would pass down because they're gonna
Speaker 1: be a tall one too, right, Kelly's tall, That's right.
Speaker 1: We all know the goal is to get a championship ring,
Speaker 1: But how do you reflect on your journey back then
Speaker 1: to the present day. I live in a moment. I
Speaker 1: don't take it for granted, just being here for seven
Speaker 1: and seven eight years already, um playing playing in the league. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you got a lot more I want
Speaker 1: to complish, with one of those being a championship and
Speaker 1: a long playoff runs. But um, I'm like I said,
Speaker 1: being undrafted, being having no scholarship offic was coming out
Speaker 1: of college, I mean out of high school. My dream
Speaker 1: of being in this position and playing every day. So
Speaker 1: I don't take for grant. I live in a moment.
Speaker 1: And and like I said, take a year by a year.
Speaker 1: You gotta keep going, keep getting better, and that's that's
Speaker 1: that's the league, man. You gotta you gotta keep adding
Speaker 1: to your game. Uh, because the new as new crops
Speaker 1: coming in every year every day. I definitely want to
Speaker 1: salute you, though, go Bro, because your ship was a
Speaker 1: slow grind and I remember playing against you towards the
Speaker 1: end of my career and you were gritty as a motherfucker,
Speaker 1: like tough. I remember I was trying to bully you
Speaker 1: underneath and you elbowed me back. I'm like this a
Speaker 1: little motherfuck ut some hard. I like that, but your
Speaker 1: grind was slow, you know, obviously with who your dad
Speaker 1: was and and your brother's success. And like I said,
Speaker 1: you had a lot of confidence in yourself. When you
Speaker 1: said that, I thought that was big because you had
Speaker 1: every reason to derail off the tracks, you know, from
Speaker 1: the pressure and all the outside noise. But your grinding
Speaker 1: your improvement and you know that ship. Like Jack said,
Speaker 1: you're number two all time in the history of the league,
Speaker 1: which is incredible, man. So we just want to salute
Speaker 1: you man for your grinding and sticking to it, because
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing to see, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people in your position probably could
Speaker 1: have tapped out, but you kept your head down and
Speaker 1: kept grinding, man, And now you're making a beautiful career
Speaker 1: and a beautiful living for yourself. Man, So we definitely
Speaker 1: want to salute you on that. Bro. Now I appreciate that, man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest things, the biggest things
Speaker 1: in that is just being adapt trying to find your
Speaker 1: niche in the league, man, you know, Matt, especially uh
Speaker 1: like trying to find a role on the team. If
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be a star player, you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta get the stars of lack you and you gotta
Speaker 1: be you gotta be able to play with them, because
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter what you can playing about when
Speaker 1: those dudes making a max five year did, they ain't
Speaker 1: going nowhere. So you gotta you gotta fit in and
Speaker 1: you gotta adjust. And just being around the league, I
Speaker 1: was able to watch watch my post first foremost do
Speaker 1: it for sixteen years and and and never be a starter,
Speaker 1: and watch a lot of other role players just just
Speaker 1: finding niche and and figure it out. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I remember that always stuck with me.
Speaker 1: The doc said is I don't know if he says
Speaker 1: around your team, but being a star in your role,
Speaker 1: I mean there's plenty. You know, everyone's got a role
Speaker 1: to play, man, and every part is important. And be
Speaker 1: a star in that role. And you know, like like
Speaker 1: you said, you know, that was something that I was
Speaker 1: able to play until I didn't want to play an allow.
Speaker 1: I bounced around like I always started. I was always
Speaker 1: the top two guys off the bench, and it was
Speaker 1: really kind of just finding your niche. And once you
Speaker 1: find your niche and you get that perfect that play
Speaker 1: as long as you want, man, and that's something you've
Speaker 1: definitely done. Man. So again, hats off to you, all right,
Speaker 1: quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, let us
Speaker 1: know what was your welcome to the NBA moment? My
Speaker 1: welcome to the NBA moment? I got a yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'm in my first thing, I'm into d Lee. I
Speaker 1: get caught up. That's one of the while. I caught
Speaker 1: up that same day, and I gotta suit up, suit
Speaker 1: up for Memphis. We're playing, um the Rockets, this James
Speaker 1: James Harden Rockets and you know he he hunt trying
Speaker 1: to find a matchup. I get out there. I ain't
Speaker 1: even broke a sweay yet. I'm I'm io with James.
Speaker 1: I got James. He handled the bubble. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm here now. So that's that's a good welcome to
Speaker 1: the to the league moment. That's you're going to the
Speaker 1: black Top, right, You're going to the black Top? You
Speaker 1: and your brother, what three other players you're gonna bring
Speaker 1: tow y'all down to the black Top pastor present? So
Speaker 1: I don't got my one guy, my gut team man.
Speaker 1: I got T mac um that was my favorite player,
Speaker 1: going T mac give me give me Shock. Yeah, give
Speaker 1: me Shock, come on, give me m J. So we
Speaker 1: got me Steph, m J T Mac and Shock. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna spread it out. Yeah, you're gonna take
Speaker 1: over the black top. Yeah, super straight with that. Which
Speaker 1: album can you listen to a repeat with no skips?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a ice get answer, but I'm
Speaker 1: getting give me a go ahead, one of the User
Speaker 1: Confessions albums. Man, hey, you you was young when that
Speaker 1: ship first came out. I was. I was. We were
Speaker 1: still running around the middle school, high school listening to
Speaker 1: it though, So that's classic, that's the classic banks he said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's funny. That's funny. If you if you can sit
Speaker 1: courtside any game in history, which one wouldn't being, why,
Speaker 1: that's it. Go m hmm, any game in history. Give
Speaker 1: me the one of those Kobe Kobe Finals games gets
Speaker 1: the Celtics, one of them Kobe's Final games gets the Celtics.
Speaker 1: Some matchups. That was yeah, yeah, that was a good
Speaker 1: I was that. I was that the obviously I was
Speaker 1: at the Warriors uh as Game seven, I was. That
Speaker 1: was on high level with basketball. So that was good.
Speaker 1: That was good. Yes, it was uh five Dinner guests
Speaker 1: dead or alive. Shoo give me Muhammad Ali, m Ali,
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods, Obama, Obama, give me Malcolm x h oh oh, Micol,
Speaker 1: give me Dizel Washington. That's a dope dinner. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: wrong with them. I'm gonna bring the weight. I'm making
Speaker 1: out anyway, it's my show. I'll bring the wine. I'll
Speaker 1: bring the wine. There you go, last, but not least. Bro,
Speaker 1: if you can have one guest on our show, who
Speaker 1: would you want to see? But you got to help
Speaker 1: us get your answer on this show. There you go,
Speaker 1: put them to work. I don't know if you have
Speaker 1: you have Muggy balls on yet? Who soil? We have it?
Speaker 1: We have it. Yeah, Yeah, that's my guy, signed my
Speaker 1: best friend. So that happened. But yeah, you know he
Speaker 1: got some stories. I know he do. Yeah. He a legend, man.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask him. By the
Speaker 1: time Jordan had him on the block and he was
Speaker 1: holding Jordan up like what he was thinking, Yeah, mug
Speaker 1: tell all them stories. Man. He was he hit that
Speaker 1: dude man five three playing in the league as long
Speaker 1: as he did. I don't know three, bro, that's not people.
Speaker 1: That's not exaggeration. He five three yeah, yeah, a little
Speaker 1: too physical as a motherfucker too. Facts facts well, seth, man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate your time during this holiday season. That's the
Speaker 1: luck to your team, to the family, the newborn and
Speaker 1: man God bless and have a prospers two. Bro, appreciate man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you this, soum. I'm stefan step rookie
Speaker 1: year he out there, um in the baby mess with job.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta get out there. I'm like, who
Speaker 1: who are you messing on? Who you're messing on? My
Speaker 1: team out there? It's like this first week or two,
Speaker 1: like you know, rock rock with stack Man here hit
Speaker 1: he cooldt like Stephen Jack like yeah, asshole, yeah no,
Speaker 1: he's really I don't know what people talking about. I
Speaker 1: messed with him. So I let you know that man
Speaker 1: showing him love from day one. Man, Man, that's dope. Bro.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. And then Jack wanted to be traded
Speaker 1: because he didn't believe in your brother. But that's crazy
Speaker 1: as hell. Yeah, that guy, he just got kicked out
Speaker 1: the game before the game started. What you mean, imagine
Speaker 1: if we had stuff just for like as a rookie
Speaker 1: on that we believe team. He might be different than
Speaker 1: he might be. He might be tatted up. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: he would definitely have some tattoos. Broke, he would for
Speaker 1: sure have some tattoos, and then he might he might
Speaker 1: have an area tool too. Yeah yeah, I said. Then
Speaker 1: we appreciate you, bro man. Best to luck the rest
Speaker 1: of the way. We'll talk again. Have a good one.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Tell Pops I say what up too?
Speaker 1: Because I had I played against Pops. Help Pops and
Speaker 1: say whatever sir. That's a rap. Seth Curry all the smoke.
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