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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of All the Smoke. Happy holidays

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Speaker 1: to out to everyone out there. Jack. How is your holiday? Man?

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Speaker 1: It was good man. I'm just you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: be great father for the kids. Make sure they're smiling.

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Speaker 1: Ain't about me no more but families healthy, everybody good.

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Speaker 1: I have no complaints, my bro. That's good. That's good man. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was over here playing Santa Claus until the last minute.

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Speaker 1: I was about the Bank of Barnes is closed for months. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm me too, bro. Man. We got Seth Curry on

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Speaker 1: the show today. Man, we appreciate you stepping on and

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Speaker 1: taking time out of your busy day, especially during the holidays. Man,

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Speaker 1: how's everything going. It's all good man. You're having me

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Speaker 1: on man, Yeah, I'm talking about the holidays. Man. I

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Speaker 1: got like I said, I got two kids now, so

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Speaker 1: I was my first one with my daughters three, so

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Speaker 1: you know a little bit about it. Put some toys together, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, you just had another son right in September.

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Speaker 1: What's it like to finally get that? Boy? I was dope,

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Speaker 1: it's dope. I one on one for sure, for sure,

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Speaker 1: I got another shooter. I'm done. Yeah, hopefully moving. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Hold on, man

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Speaker 1: for you start. Let me ask you questions. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about all of us being Santa Clause and being broke

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Speaker 1: after the holidays. Do you do? Do you do? You?

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Speaker 1: And stuff? Trying to one up each other gifts? No,

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Speaker 1: not even more, not even more? When when don't we

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Speaker 1: see each other that much? Uh? I mean it's hard.

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Speaker 1: We're getting gifts with each other. It's hard for to

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Speaker 1: get something for stuff. You know, you gotta be creative

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Speaker 1: with it. His his his budget a little bit bigger

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Speaker 1: than mine. So I'm winning. I'm winning on that on

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Speaker 1: that side. Uh yeah, you gotta stay creative. I feel

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Speaker 1: that January seven, nearly a year ago, game versus the Nets,

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Speaker 1: you tested positive after spending the first quarter of the

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Speaker 1: bench replaced in isolation at Barclays in the in in

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Speaker 1: response to that, you guys have to quarantine this all

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Speaker 1: all this quarantine and COVID is not new but fairly new.

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Speaker 1: How has that kind of affected you personally? Being obviously

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Speaker 1: you know a family man, father first and husband first

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Speaker 1: and foremost. But then also you know, attending to your job.

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Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough. It's a balance. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: gotta job do. You gotta go out there and do

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Speaker 1: your job, provide for your family, played the game that

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Speaker 1: you love. But at the same time, you gotta try

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Speaker 1: to be careful take care of your family. And you

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Speaker 1: know that's what you sign up for if you if

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Speaker 1: you sign up to play in the league this year,

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Speaker 1: you sign up for a little bit of risk going

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Speaker 1: out there and possibly get getting the virus bringing it

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Speaker 1: back home. But hopefully everybody year around is doing that

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Speaker 1: part and the many good party if you get it

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Speaker 1: right now. Nobody getting seriously sick around the league right now.

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Speaker 1: So um, that's that's the positive part of it, outside

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Speaker 1: of kind of having a somewhat stead of yourself off

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Speaker 1: the quarters, anything else that you do different from your

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Speaker 1: day to day during the season that you didn't do

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Speaker 1: since we've been in product and since we've been since

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Speaker 1: we've had to spend it. Last year it was crazy,

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Speaker 1: you can't really get a hotel. But this year, um,

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Speaker 1: kind of getting back to the normal, normal routine and

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Speaker 1: stuff you like to do on the role. Me personally,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the hotel. I go out to eat with

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Speaker 1: so my routine don't change too much. It's more the

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Speaker 1: guy that I like to get out in the streets

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Speaker 1: a little bit more that back a little bit. Jack,

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Speaker 1: you might have been in trouble bro Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it. I wouldn't have made it. Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: since it's a struggle for them, I would have fall.

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Speaker 1: I would have felt right in that category. On November,

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Speaker 1: he was traded to Feeling Exchange with Josh Rishton and

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Speaker 1: the draft rights to Tyler Bait from the Maps. How

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Speaker 1: do you feel about the trade? Initially I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a mistake initially uh on the mask pot but um.

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Speaker 1: But me personally, I mean I was I didn't know

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Speaker 1: like I said, it was a great opportunity for me

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Speaker 1: building team chemistry. How is it business? For a lot

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Speaker 1: going on over there? You know Doc Rills is a

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Speaker 1: great coach, somebody me in mad respect. How how's it

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Speaker 1: been this year with everything going on? Building the chemistry

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Speaker 1: with you guy, it's been solid. It's outside of being

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Speaker 1: everybody came back. I was on the team last year

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Speaker 1: for the most part, so we know we know each other.

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Speaker 1: Chemistry been solid. Ben had been around the team too much,

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Speaker 1: so it's not like he's coming in out of practice,

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Speaker 1: kind of know who we got. Obviously were missing a

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Speaker 1: the with the talent we have, and it's just up

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Speaker 1: and down season. Were obviously guys are out the line

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Speaker 1: with COVID. That's the biggest thing in chemistry wise, right,

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Speaker 1: question real quick before you go on. Um, I kind

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Speaker 1: will probably be a lot you guys are still locked

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Speaker 1: in the locker room. It was just really outside noise

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Speaker 1: is drama when we get in front of them, obviously

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Speaker 1: So um, we honestly, like I said, we tried. We

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Speaker 1: love about Joel's I love him his personality. Uh you know,

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Speaker 1: Obviously he came out at one time with Jimmy Butland

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Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. I mean on the court we

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Speaker 1: all that. So on the court is great, but he's

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Speaker 1: much better team. I mean it's more than just coming

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Speaker 1: gotta bring the energy to to to make your teammates

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Speaker 1: better than he's doing that this year. Taking it back

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Speaker 1: Your dad did this thing? Big bros, Big bro? What

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Speaker 1: was it like? Uh for you growing up? Um? Was

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Speaker 1: did you know? What did you start off doing? I

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Speaker 1: mean we started all they put it, dude. Our parents

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Speaker 1: stuff he does. Just his creativeness. I think that came

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Speaker 1: and and my last four years my twins got to

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Speaker 1: with your brother. You couldn't tell the twins they weren't

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Speaker 1: a part of the Warriors. They were trying to take

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Speaker 1: steps trophy and Katie's MVP trophy on the stage and

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Speaker 1: hold that ship up with what they got rings they

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Speaker 1: would should be quiet, man, They got rings, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're definitely official. But as at a young age, what

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Speaker 1: kind of take it for granted because they were around Kobe,

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Speaker 1: ages that you were coming in off? Yeah, you say

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Speaker 1: bringing you you bring your kids around as much as possible.

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean. People ask me, how you what

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Speaker 1: I should do with my kids, uh growing up? I say,

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Speaker 1: bring them around as much as possible. Yeah, Like so

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Speaker 1: I love to see your kids in the gym, even

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Speaker 1: back then, seeing him on the court, running around, shooting

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Speaker 1: experiences being around muggy balls, chasing a great Evince Carter

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Speaker 1: we were just we were jumping and shooting games, doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff we probably shouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: so they're going to give them motherfucker's every single chance

429
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 1: they have to succeed. So if you're late second round

430
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,639
Speaker 1: or not even drafted, there's a lot of guys to

431
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,840
Speaker 1: get washed out the league just not even getting a chance,

432
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,920
Speaker 1: because a lot of people can play, but just don't

433
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,400
Speaker 1: get that chance. Right business, these fund officers, they got

434
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 1: jobs tied into guys they drafted. Um, so even if

435
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 1: you you out playing them and you can help the

436
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,119
Speaker 1: team win, it's like if this, if this guy drafted

437
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,200
Speaker 1: first round, don't pan out, you will make them with

438
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 1: bad exactly exactly straight up talk about it. Kind of

439
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,639
Speaker 1: feel like your first real shot was with the King's

440
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,280
Speaker 1: your first obviously first guaranteed contract. What was it like,

441
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 1: finally really getting that Okay, I'm getting some real burn.

442
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm getting to show my skill set. What was

443
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: that experience like for you? But that was big? That

444
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,479
Speaker 1: was huge. Uh, Like I said, I gotta guarantee contract

445
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 1: out there, so I knew I would eventually get a

446
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 1: chance to play and out there with me to being

447
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 1: being a guy being around Buggie at the time, Rudy

448
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 1: Gay is trying to trying to fit in, trying to

449
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 1: find my role and and yeah, I think we kind

450
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: of worked in my favorite as far as we were

451
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: out of the playoffs later in the season, guys were

452
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 1: sitting down to the vets and they threw the young

453
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 1: guys out there for like a ten fifteen game stress

454
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 1: where we were getting to play, and I had a

455
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,920
Speaker 1: I had a great stress and really kind of solidifying

456
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 1: myself as far as being able to be assistant player.

457
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 1: So um, I mean those those in the games, in

458
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: the game, in the season games, I should say, uh,

459
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 1: I can make a great guy's career to absolutely absolutely,

460
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 1: I want to take a step back. You got the

461
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 1: chance to play with Prime, Boogie and Prime and Bed. Yeah,

462
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 1: who are you taking And that's a tough question if

463
00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: you're playing with right now? But Boogie was a cold Yeah, Boogie,

464
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: he was a monster. Well he was a monster. They

465
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: real similar. They both can handle the ball. Um. I

466
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: think Buggie played a little bit more on the perimeter,

467
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 1: taking off the dribble a little bit more than than

468
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: Joel does, but he can do it. They both go

469
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: on the offensive. Man, I think Joe a little bit

470
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: more of dominant defensively as far as just holding down

471
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: the paint um and just just really solidifying the whole defense.

472
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: So I give Joe the edge right there. Two of

473
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 1: the bigger shooting bigs I think we've ever seen. I

474
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 1: was just telling Jack before you came up, we were

475
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: doing our other show, like and Beat is doing it.

476
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: It's crazy because I said, I haven't seen no big

477
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: do it since Boogie. But taking dudes off the perimeter,

478
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: off the dribble, going into step backs and shot faces

479
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 1: and all this ship like with guards guarden, Like this

480
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: dude is like over seven feet tall, like doing this

481
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: ship with just that one's foot lean back. I'm like, yeo,

482
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: this big one's cold, man, especially you got all that

483
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: you gotta you kind of gotta you gotta add that

484
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: now because he begetting beat up and in the paint

485
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: and it's harder scoring and no matter how good you are,

486
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: they let all that physic out to go down. So

487
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: if you really want to have impact every night, you

488
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 1: gotta be able to step out and make some jump

489
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: shots every once in awhile else. But actually I'm glad

490
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: they started going back to that because for a minute

491
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 1: there was too many motherfucker. Well, what are your thoughts

492
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: on that, because obviously it's changed a little bit this

493
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: year about the rest not calling as many fouls. Are

494
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: you thinking guys are just out there hacking or is

495
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: it kind of a steady balance. What are your thoughts

496
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: on it? Because I felt like for a while it

497
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 1: was too many whistles. Now they're not as many whistles.

498
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Speaker 1: Do you think they need to meet somewhere in the

499
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: middle you kind of like where it's at right now.

500
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, but I mean it's

501
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of got out of hand where

502
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: they weren't calling anything, they weren't projecting jump shooters and

503
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: getting hit on a getting hit on the risk a

504
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: little bit. So the rest they kind of change the rules,

505
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,719
Speaker 1: and the rest kind of ran with as far we're

506
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 1: gonna let any any and everything going defense. So that's

507
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: why you saw some of those those scores being lowest,

508
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 1: shooting percentage dropping. But I mean, like I said, with anything,

509
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna adjust, They're gonna hear feedback from

510
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: the players and the coaches and they try to get

511
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: it better. It so, uh you see James, James free

512
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: throws starting to go back up a little bit. Um guys,

513
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 1: guys kind of getting back to themselves. Dames getting back

514
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: to himself. So it's just adjusting to the whistle. Yeah,

515
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: as a shooter yourself. The ball chains this year, did

516
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: that make any difference for any effect on you? Going

517
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: from obviously Spaulding for so many years now it's Wilson.

518
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it affected me, but it's it's different

519
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, uh, it feels a little different leather,

520
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: a little different, reacts on the rim differently. But I

521
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: mean I was able to work with it all summer,

522
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: kind of got used to it, So I don't think

523
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: it affected my my game, on my on my shot

524
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: too much. Eighteen you played with Dallas. I thought you

525
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: were a great fifth there we actually really you thought

526
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: Dallas made a mistake. What was your biggest takeaway from

527
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: getting a chance to play in Dallas. I love Dallas.

528
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: I love Dallas of the love the city, the organization

529
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: they I mean playing for Rick Carlile, great office of mine,

530
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: really knows the game. So he put me in a

531
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Speaker 1: and he likes to play with with his system. He

532
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: not scared a throw two guards out there that can

533
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: that can may play two smaller guards he played with

534
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: like he played with J. Kidd and and J. J.

535
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: Berey a lot. It was me and J. J. Berey

536
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: a lot, Me and Darren Williams a lot of a

537
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: lot of smaller guards out there who who were dynamics.

538
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: So he put me in good positions, really gave me

539
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: an opportunity to to make some plays and show what

540
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: I could do too. And yeahl in my game to

541
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: another level. So uh, I mean I love Dallas. That's

542
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: why I still live in the off season. So, um,

543
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: it's huge for my career. After the season, you go

544
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: to the Trailblazers, what was it like, you know, speaking

545
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: to two guards playing in I mean they had you

546
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: you guys, throw you guys in. There's three guards sometimes.

547
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: What was it like playing alongside c J and Dane

548
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: in Portland? That was probably the best year, most funny

549
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: year in my career. We obviously made to the to

550
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: the Western Conference finals. Um, but that team, that team

551
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: was so locked in. We have veterans, we had young

552
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: guys who were good. We had I mean, we had

553
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: from top to bottom, we had a really underrated roster.

554
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: So uh, just being about to compliment Damon c j Um,

555
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: that's how you learned from them and ask some stuff

556
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: that they do to my game. It's huge for me,

557
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: And I mean I culminated and everybody knew that roles

558
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: in that team and all culminate on that. That playoff

559
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: run that we had obviously ran into the Warriors. Who

560
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: who got us about it there? But I mean that

561
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: was that was That was a great season. I think

562
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people to understand how good. Obviously I

563
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: really liked your team, but you know, there was a

564
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: good three year stretch where Portland was one of the

565
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: better teams in the league, but they kept running into

566
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: the Warriors, you know what I mean, they had a

567
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: hell of a team, and I think they've kind of

568
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: digressed since then. But Portland, I mean, particularly that year,

569
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: you guys were loaded. Like you said, I think it

570
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: was definitely under undervaluated team because you guys had depth

571
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: as well. I like the coach. You guys played hard

572
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: and it's funny you said everyone knew their role. You

573
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: guys are everyone played their role to a team. So

574
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: what was it like actually running into your brother in

575
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs with your mom and dad in the stands.

576
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: One has one jersey, one has the other. What was

577
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: it like? I mean, thinking of all the battles and

578
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: the fights as youngsters and now you guys both have

579
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: a chance to go to the finals. What was it

580
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: like playing against your brother that kind of opportunity? I mean,

581
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: I was, it was. That was fun, man, I was.

582
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: I was. Seriously I always remember because I mean, we're

583
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: one of the biggest stage, Western Conference finals, playing against

584
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: my brother, playing against the best team to leave for

585
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: the past few years, um, and just going at it competing.

586
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: We're matching up against each other and guarding each other's

587
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: I mean, stuff you dream about, and it's it's always

588
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: weird when we play stuff in them because I mean,

589
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: for eighty two games out the year, I want him

590
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: to play well. I want to I want to see

591
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: them win. When we strapped him up and play against

592
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: each other, it's the opposite. I'm going out there trying

593
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: to trying to shut them down. I want to see

594
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: them lose. Be competing it gets nasty, so um, it's

595
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: a weird dynamic. Obviously, we don't want to make this

596
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: a stuff interview, but you know, your brother has just

597
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: made some you know, amazing historical accomplishments. Um, so we

598
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 1: definitely want to touch on that. What was it like,

599
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: what was your kinc something to your fondest memories growing

600
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: up in battling. Obviously it just got a chance of

601
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: comb and hopefully it'll reach you guys to get a

602
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: chance to see each other on the biggest stage one day.

603
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: But growing up kind of the little brother with you know,

604
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: Steph and then your dad being who he was. What

605
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: were some of the most inspirational or kind of funny

606
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: things that you guys used to get into or do

607
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean any and everything or any any brother to

608
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: any siblings who were close in age. I mean we

609
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: were tied to the hip, following my pops around as

610
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: much as possible and really find anything to compete at

611
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: anything to have some fun with waste time, get you

612
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So uh, I mean like say

613
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: he brought out the record or whatever, I feel like

614
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: he deserves it, and me saying the work he put

615
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: in over time, the way he changed the game, the

616
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: way he pushed the envelope. As far as people complaining

617
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: about maybe we shoot too many threes? Is he doing

618
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: he taking crazy shots? But he I mean, you stick

619
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: to it. He he that's who he's always being, honestly,

620
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: from from from middle school to high school whatever, that's

621
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: he always played the game the same way. So that's

622
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: a record that he deserves to have. And I think

623
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: that's why, um, everybody made it such a big deal

624
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: all week, you know what I'm saying, Like last last

625
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: time when Ray wrote the record, I mean I remember,

626
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about it, but I don't think it's

627
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: this big a deal. I'm like, every time every time

628
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: I tell on TV, I see is he breaking the

629
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: record of the day, I'm like, it ain't the all

630
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: times going record. This is it's a big deal because

631
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: of who he is, and it's it's the guy, Like

632
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: he's the guy who should have this record. Yeah yeah,

633
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: What was it like? You know, we've spoke on your dad,

634
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: we spoke on your brother. What was it like kind

635
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: of getting out of both their shadows and being recognized

636
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: as not step brother no more, but actually recognized as

637
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: your own man because you're out there actually putting that work,

638
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: that that that that earned you the respect you deserve.

639
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it feels good to people look at me

640
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: who I am, looking at my my individual game and

641
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: what I've what I've accomplished over my career. Just kind

642
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: of get that recognition feel good. But I mean, for me,

643
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: I I'll never pay attention to it, even if i'm

644
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: if I'm now always look to step brother or Dell's son,

645
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: no matter what it is. I'm confident in my own

646
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: skin and the stuff that kind of built for that stuff.

647
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: Both of us had to deal with a whole lot

648
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: growing up in Charlotte, being the son of an NBA

649
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 1: player who played that for ten years. It's like, if

650
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: you don't got tough skin and and able to deal

651
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: with it, you ain't gonna You ain't gonna make It's

652
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a hard life. So kind of build for

653
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: the for the scrutiny, the eyes, and it's just part

654
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: of it. I'm like I said, I'm comfortable with my skin.

655
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: I know who I am as a player. Um first

656
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: and foremost married to Kellie Rivers, doc's daughter. What is

657
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: that like playing for your your wife's dad in the

658
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: n B A T tell me how is that brow?

659
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: That's cool? Man? It's cool, doctor, doctor, A solid dude,

660
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: man as cool as they come. You know what I'm saying.

661
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: When I when I got traded there, CALLI was probably

662
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: the maddest one. She didn't want she didn't want to,

663
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: not want the deal to go down. She's not when

664
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: we playing for Pops. You know what I'm saying. Um,

665
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: But it happened, and I mean it's been a smooth

666
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: selling pretty much. Doctor. I mean, like I said, you

667
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: know who's the quecomber we're gonna coach with the same

668
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: way listen to feedback. It's probably easy on doctors. He

669
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: had the coaches his own son, so his ractional son.

670
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: So it wasn't apart from yeah, that we was on

671
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: that team where he got we signed him, uh New

672
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Orleans and let him go and we assigned him and

673
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: coming to l A of all places too. And it's

674
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: just like and he took a lot because he you know,

675
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: he gave awesome the deal and everything. So I couldn't

676
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: imagine that pressure of having to coach your son. So

677
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: probably you guys Dad had like he said, it's a

678
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: lot easier than have him having actually coach his son.

679
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, you ain't worried about it, right, What

680
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: other habits. You got what your what a day off

681
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: looked like for you besides daddy duty, Yeah, daddy duty.

682
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: Now I'm I'm low key. They come and I'm chilling

683
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: watching TV shows, playing playing more golf, try and keep up,

684
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, getting better and better at golf.

685
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: Change the diapers a little bit. I changed a few

686
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: of them. Maybe put me to work a little bit.

687
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: Uh that's something I gotta, I gotta do. But uh yeah,

688
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm laying a little keeping keeping it at

689
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: the crib and locking on the TV shows. Question real quick. Obviously,

690
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: being a father of young kids, I had to learn

691
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: the hard way because I had went from nothing to twins,

692
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: and I know I wore myself out personally trying to

693
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: help and help with feedings a night and everything. You

694
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: guys have help so that you know when you when

695
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: you need the rest, you can't help or you can't rest. Yeah,

696
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: we do got help, that's the I mean. So we

697
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: got the living nanny, night nurse. So, uh it's expensive,

698
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: but it's the best money spent because you get that sleep.

699
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean this is we're on the road

700
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: a lot, so I mean having two kids in the house.

701
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: Now it's a different it's a whole different animal. So

702
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: you don't want to leave it back there by so absolutely,

703
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: and you got and you got Grandma and Grandpa not

704
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: too far. Yeah, I can't forget them. I can't. I

705
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: gotta show them a lot of love because they him

706
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: in and help help too. And um, especially with the

707
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: old one. Did you know you currently have the second

708
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: highest career three point field goal percentage in NBA history,

709
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: right upon the Steve Kerr and your brother and your

710
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: brother is within tim How does that? Yeah? I didn't

711
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, I mean it feels good. I mean

712
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: I probably myself on being efficient, just being able to

713
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: do my job every night, and and just a shooting family,

714
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: just a shooting family. I was about to say that, bro,

715
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: like they shoot the ship out the ball and then

716
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: they got they got they got to he got he

717
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: got one, and then Steph got one us just like

718
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: that shooting Lenny is just going to continue to carry

719
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I hope so I would pass down because they're gonna

720
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: be a tall one too, right, Kelly's tall, That's right.

721
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: We all know the goal is to get a championship ring,

722
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: But how do you reflect on your journey back then

723
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: to the present day. I live in a moment. I

724
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: don't take it for granted, just being here for seven

725
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: and seven eight years already, um playing playing in the league. Uh.

726
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you got a lot more I want

727
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: to complish, with one of those being a championship and

728
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: a long playoff runs. But um, I'm like I said,

729
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: being undrafted, being having no scholarship offic was coming out

730
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: of college, I mean out of high school. My dream

731
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: of being in this position and playing every day. So

732
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't take for grant. I live in a moment.

733
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: And and like I said, take a year by a year.

734
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: You gotta keep going, keep getting better, and that's that's

735
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: that's the league, man. You gotta you gotta keep adding

736
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: to your game. Uh, because the new as new crops

737
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: coming in every year every day. I definitely want to

738
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: salute you, though, go Bro, because your ship was a

739
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: slow grind and I remember playing against you towards the

740
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: end of my career and you were gritty as a motherfucker,

741
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: like tough. I remember I was trying to bully you

742
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: underneath and you elbowed me back. I'm like this a

743
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: little motherfuck ut some hard. I like that, but your

744
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: grind was slow, you know, obviously with who your dad

745
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: was and and your brother's success. And like I said,

746
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: you had a lot of confidence in yourself. When you

747
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: said that, I thought that was big because you had

748
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: every reason to derail off the tracks, you know, from

749
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: the pressure and all the outside noise. But your grinding

750
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: your improvement and you know that ship. Like Jack said,

751
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: you're number two all time in the history of the league,

752
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: which is incredible, man. So we just want to salute

753
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: you man for your grinding and sticking to it, because

754
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful thing to see, you know what I mean, Like,

755
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: because a lot of people in your position probably could

756
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: have tapped out, but you kept your head down and

757
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: kept grinding, man, And now you're making a beautiful career

758
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: and a beautiful living for yourself. Man, So we definitely

759
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: want to salute you on that. Bro. Now I appreciate that, man. Yeah.

760
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest things, the biggest things

761
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: in that is just being adapt trying to find your

762
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: niche in the league, man, you know, Matt, especially uh

763
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: like trying to find a role on the team. If

764
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be a star player, you gotta you

765
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: gotta get the stars of lack you and you gotta

766
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: be you gotta be able to play with them, because

767
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter what you can playing about when

768
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: those dudes making a max five year did, they ain't

769
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: going nowhere. So you gotta you gotta fit in and

770
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: you gotta adjust. And just being around the league, I

771
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: was able to watch watch my post first foremost do

772
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: it for sixteen years and and and never be a starter,

773
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: and watch a lot of other role players just just

774
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: finding niche and and figure it out. So yeah, yeah,

775
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I remember that always stuck with me.

776
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: The doc said is I don't know if he says

777
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: around your team, but being a star in your role,

778
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: I mean there's plenty. You know, everyone's got a role

779
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: to play, man, and every part is important. And be

780
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: a star in that role. And you know, like like

781
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: you said, you know, that was something that I was

782
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: able to play until I didn't want to play an allow.

783
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: I bounced around like I always started. I was always

784
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: the top two guys off the bench, and it was

785
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: really kind of just finding your niche. And once you

786
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: find your niche and you get that perfect that play

787
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: as long as you want, man, and that's something you've

788
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: definitely done. Man. So again, hats off to you, all right,

789
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, let us

790
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: know what was your welcome to the NBA moment? My

791
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: welcome to the NBA moment? I got a yeah, So

792
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm in my first thing, I'm into d Lee. I

793
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: get caught up. That's one of the while. I caught

794
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: up that same day, and I gotta suit up, suit

795
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: up for Memphis. We're playing, um the Rockets, this James

796
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: James Harden Rockets and you know he he hunt trying

797
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: to find a matchup. I get out there. I ain't

798
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: even broke a sweay yet. I'm I'm io with James.

799
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: I got James. He handled the bubble. I'm like, yeah,

800
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm here now. So that's that's a good welcome to

801
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: the to the league moment. That's you're going to the

802
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: black Top, right, You're going to the black Top? You

803
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: and your brother, what three other players you're gonna bring

804
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: tow y'all down to the black Top pastor present? So

805
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: I don't got my one guy, my gut team man.

806
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: I got T mac um that was my favorite player,

807
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: going T mac give me give me Shock. Yeah, give

808
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: me Shock, come on, give me m J. So we

809
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: got me Steph, m J T Mac and Shock. We're

810
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna spread it out. Yeah, you're gonna take

811
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: over the black top. Yeah, super straight with that. Which

812
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: album can you listen to a repeat with no skips?

813
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a ice get answer, but I'm

814
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: getting give me a go ahead, one of the User

815
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: Confessions albums. Man, hey, you you was young when that

816
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: ship first came out. I was. I was. We were

817
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: still running around the middle school, high school listening to

818
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: it though, So that's classic, that's the classic banks he said, Yeah,

819
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: that's funny. That's funny. If you if you can sit

820
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 1: courtside any game in history, which one wouldn't being, why,

821
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: that's it. Go m hmm, any game in history. Give

822
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: me the one of those Kobe Kobe Finals games gets

823
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: the Celtics, one of them Kobe's Final games gets the Celtics.

824
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: Some matchups. That was yeah, yeah, that was a good

825
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: I was that. I was that the obviously I was

826
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: at the Warriors uh as Game seven, I was. That

827
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: was on high level with basketball. So that was good.

828
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: That was good. Yes, it was uh five Dinner guests

829
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: dead or alive. Shoo give me Muhammad Ali, m Ali,

830
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods, Obama, Obama, give me Malcolm x h oh oh, Micol,

831
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: give me Dizel Washington. That's a dope dinner. Yeah, I'm

832
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: wrong with them. I'm gonna bring the weight. I'm making

833
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: out anyway, it's my show. I'll bring the wine. I'll

834
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: bring the wine. There you go, last, but not least. Bro,

835
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: if you can have one guest on our show, who

836
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: would you want to see? But you got to help

837
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: us get your answer on this show. There you go,

838
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: put them to work. I don't know if you have

839
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: you have Muggy balls on yet? Who soil? We have it?

840
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: We have it. Yeah, Yeah, that's my guy, signed my

841
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: best friend. So that happened. But yeah, you know he

842
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: got some stories. I know he do. Yeah. He a legend, man.

843
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask him. By the

844
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: time Jordan had him on the block and he was

845
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: holding Jordan up like what he was thinking, Yeah, mug

846
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: tell all them stories. Man. He was he hit that

847
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: dude man five three playing in the league as long

848
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: as he did. I don't know three, bro, that's not people.

849
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: That's not exaggeration. He five three yeah, yeah, a little

850
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: too physical as a motherfucker too. Facts facts well, seth, man,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate your time during this holiday season. That's the

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Speaker 1: luck to your team, to the family, the newborn and

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Speaker 1: man God bless and have a prospers two. Bro, appreciate man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you this, soum. I'm stefan step rookie

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Speaker 1: year he out there, um in the baby mess with job.

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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta get out there. I'm like, who

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Speaker 1: who are you messing on? Who you're messing on? My

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Speaker 1: team out there? It's like this first week or two,

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Speaker 1: like you know, rock rock with stack Man here hit

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Speaker 1: he cooldt like Stephen Jack like yeah, asshole, yeah no,

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Speaker 1: he's really I don't know what people talking about. I

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Speaker 1: messed with him. So I let you know that man

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Speaker 1: showing him love from day one. Man, Man, that's dope. Bro.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. And then Jack wanted to be traded

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Speaker 1: because he didn't believe in your brother. But that's crazy

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Speaker 1: as hell. Yeah, that guy, he just got kicked out

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Speaker 1: the game before the game started. What you mean, imagine

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Speaker 1: if we had stuff just for like as a rookie

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Speaker 1: on that we believe team. He might be different than

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Speaker 1: he might be. He might be tatted up. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: he would definitely have some tattoos. Broke, he would for

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Speaker 1: sure have some tattoos, and then he might he might

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Speaker 1: have an area tool too. Yeah yeah, I said. Then

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you, bro man. Best to luck the rest

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Speaker 1: of the way. We'll talk again. Have a good one.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Tell Pops I say what up too?

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Speaker 1: Because I had I played against Pops. Help Pops and

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Speaker 1: say whatever sir. That's a rap. Seth Curry all the smoke.

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