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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we talk

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. It's Wednesday, June eighteenth, and

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Speaker 2: the verdict is here. After an emotional climax in the

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Speaker 2: courtroom today, the jury has spoken in the Karen Reid retrial.

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Speaker 2: So much more on that to come. Also explosive new

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Speaker 2: developments in the John Dittycomb's trial.

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Speaker 3: Juror after juror, after juror.

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Speaker 2: Having problems and then accused college murderer Brian Colberger is

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Speaker 2: back in court for another hearing. Will his trial be delayed?

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Speaker 2: We have to get into it immediately. Karen Reid, Body,

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Speaker 2: what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it happened. Finally we're going to be done with

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Speaker 4: Karen Reid after this, right.

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Speaker 2: Done with Karen Reid. I cannot believe miss Courtney jump

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Speaker 2: in here. I mean, we were all we were all

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Speaker 2: together live, you know, kind of hearing these results as

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Speaker 2: we were are you know, everybody was sort of on

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Speaker 2: pins and needles, and frankly, I thought it was rather emotional.

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Speaker 4: I had friends crying, sobbing, sobbing over this. Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: it just everybody knows. Jurors today found Karen Reid not

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Speaker 4: guilty a second degree murder and manslaughter chargers in the

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Speaker 4: death of her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O'Keeffe. They

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Speaker 4: did find her guilty of a super super duper lesser

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Speaker 4: charge right operating under the influence of liquor, and sentenced

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Speaker 4: her to one year probation and she has to take

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Speaker 4: some classes. As the verdicts were read, you could hear,

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Speaker 4: right like they when they said not especially in the background.

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Speaker 3: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: But you know what's interesting, the cheering didn't occur until

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Speaker 4: the second charge was read, right, So they read charge one,

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Speaker 4: which is of course the murder too, and there was silence.

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Speaker 4: I think everybody knew that was going to be a go, Like,

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Speaker 4: there was no way she was going to get convicted

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Speaker 4: of murder.

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Speaker 2: Right, That wasn't the most controversial.

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Speaker 4: The most controversial, I think was the second charge, the

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Speaker 4: manslaughter charge. And when the jury foreman read that verdict,

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Speaker 4: explosion outside, right, I mean you could hear from inside

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like a roar and a rosolute war, and

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Speaker 2: people were they were. It was emotional. I mean, there

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Speaker 2: was crowds in the streets of Boston. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I love Boston. They show up and they have a

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Speaker 2: love her, hate her. People really do care about this

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Speaker 2: trial for reasons. You know, we're all kind of consumed

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Speaker 2: by it. Courtney, what was your reaction.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was wild to me. First of all, the

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Speaker 5: fact that there was the quote fake verdict. It was

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Speaker 5: pretty you weren't watching it live, but it was staggering.

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Speaker 5: So the jury knock and said we have a verdict.

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Speaker 5: The judge went on and said they have a verdict. Oh,

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Speaker 5: hold on, just kidding.

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Speaker 4: They don't they said they yeah, they said they had

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Speaker 4: a verdict slipped and they eat and they sealed it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 4: So I guess what happened, Probably is they filled out

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, right, I'm guessing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm guessing that's what makes the most sense

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Speaker 5: what in the universe is this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because in the moments later that they were like Okay,

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Speaker 4: we really have it now, right right? That was crazy,

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Speaker 4: the verdict was very likely to come down. And outside

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it happened.

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Speaker 5: Actually, oh my gosh, I just actually got goosebumps thinking

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were all a little and body.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the right verdict, I really do. I

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Speaker 4: do too, even though I think there's so shenanigan's going

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Speaker 4: on with Karen Reid there, right, Listen, you can't dispute

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Speaker 2: Well, they're crazy.

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Speaker 3: Also, why is she being charged?

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Speaker 2: And listen, why is she being charged retroactively even for

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Speaker 3: And nobody else, nobody else is I agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's just because she backed up doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: Like there's something there. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You often speak about your revering of the justice system,

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Speaker 5: which I am right with you. It is a lieutenant

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Speaker 5: doubt and if there was ever a place, I mean

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Speaker 5: the prosecution period, this gave me faithtored. Well, it didn't

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Speaker 3: Right, Like, this is exactly what was supposed to happen, right.

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Speaker 2: And it's the quintessential example of I mean, look, we'll

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Speaker 2: never really know this because we don't live in Karen

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Speaker 2: Everyone's like, you did it, You did it? It must be you.

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Speaker 2: such a quintessential look at what didn't go right in

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Speaker 2: terms of the investigation. And I hope this is really

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Speaker 2: you like that, you know, through thicker through thin her

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people don't always get believed. If you've ever been

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have people I mean I can imagine

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Speaker 3: And to hear people cheering.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes they were being booed when entering the courtroom,

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Speaker 2: the justice system is still not done with this case.

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Speaker 2: the question is is will other people be held accountable

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Speaker 2: who were there that night as well. We should bring in.

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Speaker 2: We have a very special guest tonight. Exciting so we do.

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Speaker 2: We have the person who actually is the guy covering

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Speaker 2: all of these cases that we're talking about tonight, specifically

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Speaker 2: Karen Reid, but also the Brian Coburger case and also Diddy.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me it's nice to join us.

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Speaker 6: Such a quiet true crime night, right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Day in the studio today it was so funny.

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Speaker 4: We had our afternoon call and Brian Coberger's hearing had

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Speaker 4: just started, Karen Reid's verdict was being read, and we

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Speaker 3: There's too much going on. We have to get off

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Speaker 6: I got very little actual legal work done today.

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Speaker 7: Right, yeah, all this stuff?

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Speaker 3: Right? Well, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 2: And what do you think of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? What do you think of everything today?

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Speaker 6: I think I'd like to just follow up on some

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Speaker 6: of what you said about Karen Reid. You know, this

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Speaker 6: verdict is really no surprise. I think if you've done

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Speaker 3: Fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I'm sure you've been talking about it

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Speaker 2: Why are we also consumed by it? Myself included? I

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Speaker 6: I think the connection comes from the fact that we

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Speaker 6: You know, Karen Reid is a forty six year old

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Speaker 7: She's this single woman.

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Speaker 7: It's great all of those things. Look at what we're

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Speaker 6: We're talking about detailed pieces of evidence that should have

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Speaker 7: I'm still here. How are you?

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Speaker 3: It's court. It's a lot of endorphin release. You know.

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Speaker 4: Just Stephanie, you were feeling, you were feeling so anxious

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Speaker 2: I feel anxious for Peggy O'Keefe. Now I feel anxious

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Speaker 6: Not unlike the OJ case. If you remember, OJ was

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Speaker 5: So when you say resolved, Derek, do you think that,

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 6: I think when you're in the civil realm, you're talking

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Speaker 8: It's money damages, right, right, and the bar and the

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Speaker 2: And what do you think about any charges? You know, again,

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Speaker 6: I think everybody wants to move on from that snowy night,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, That's totally fair. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 3: Is it fair? Well, it's just like I think this is.

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Speaker 2: A real conversation just about overreach, right, and like, how

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Speaker 2: I feel like they would get dismissed because it's you know,

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Speaker 3: His best friends girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: It's his best buds, and you know, that's just such

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Speaker 2: She had an incredible defense term, you know, or Turtle

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Speaker 2: That's not how the justice system has to.

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Speaker 4: Work, right, So how does the man this is the

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Speaker 4: and is that what it is?

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but a lot of this.

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Speaker 3: Don't have the resources. So how unfair is this becoming?

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Speaker 6: Very well? And that's that's one of the things that

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Speaker 7: At what the band is. Just somebody with the team.

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Speaker 6: And believe me, as much as I'm bashing the investigators here,

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Speaker 6: They absolutely came in with an all star team, you know.

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Speaker 6: But but I have to say this, some of the

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Speaker 4: I had Karen read on my tablet and on my laptop.

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Speaker 6: but she's really hitting the mitigation piece. There's two phases

442
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Speaker 6: of this trial. If he's convicted, you go into the

443
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Speaker 6: death penalty phase, and when you present that case, you're

444
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Speaker 6: fighting for your client's life. They need to recreate and

445
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Speaker 6: reverse engineer Brian Colberger's life. They're saying they've encountered some roadblocks,

446
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Speaker 6: they're not ready to quite do that yet. Prosecution saying,

447
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Speaker 6: we have a whole chart of information they already gave

448
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Speaker 6: us at every level of the mitigation phase. They're ready

449
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Speaker 6: to go. It's not going to be a sports the

450
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Speaker 6: Earth approach to telling the life story of Brian Colberger,

451
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Speaker 6: which they were right.

452
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Speaker 7: I agree.

453
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Speaker 6: I've done death penalty cases. I thought Josh Hewitt was

454
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Speaker 6: spot on in that.

455
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Speaker 3: All the same here, and Ann Taylor is a public

456
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Speaker 3: defender and she's wonderful. She's a great lawyer. Right, you

457
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Speaker 3: just gave some examples.

458
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Speaker 4: You were like, I've had the pleasure and honor to

459
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Speaker 4: work with a lot of public defenders who are wonderful,

460
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Speaker 4: and I would Ann Taylor would be probably at one

461
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Speaker 4: of the tops of those lists. She's death penalty certified, right,

462
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Speaker 4: she knows what she's doing. She is I am I'm honestly,

463
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Speaker 4: so glad that she is available to Brian Coberger because

464
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Speaker 4: I want him to get a fair trial so that

465
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Speaker 4: if he is convicted, I feel good like it gives

466
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Speaker 4: me the warm and fuzzies because it's you know, all

467
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Speaker 4: about me all of a sudden, but you know, I don't.

468
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Speaker 2: Know it's justice though, but always just knowing that the

469
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Speaker 2: right person is she's a great lawyer, doing the time

470
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Speaker 2: for the crime, and that not getting pushed that's a

471
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Speaker 2: very big deal, you know. Of course, the families we

472
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Speaker 2: have to assume are really just you know, over this

473
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Speaker 2: delay and another delay and another delay. So hearing that

474
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Speaker 2: it's looking like the trial won't move is very reassuring,

475
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Speaker 2: I'm sure for them.

476
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Speaker 5: For people who don't know who Brian Coburger is off

477
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Speaker 5: the top of their head, he is the man the

478
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Speaker 5: criminology student who is accused of murdering the four students

479
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Speaker 5: from the University of Idaho. Jared I had a question,

480
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Speaker 5: what do you think about the all suspect argument that

481
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Speaker 5: the defense is putting up in Brian Colberger's case.

482
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Speaker 6: To that argument, I say, good luck looking at all

483
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Speaker 6: the evidence against mister Colberger. So the alternate suspect claim

484
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Speaker 6: would be this. They have to show those their two

485
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Speaker 6: proceedings today. The open proceeding was the motion for continuance.

486
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Speaker 6: The second proceeding was closed to the public. We don't

487
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Speaker 6: know what happened, but it was about the defense's position

488
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Speaker 6: that they have a legitimate theory to put forth that

489
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Speaker 6: an alternate person committed this crime, and they gleaned this

490
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Speaker 6: information from the tiff, the thousands of tips that came

491
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Speaker 6: in and that are part of the case file. Now

492
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Speaker 6: we don't know what those alternate suspects are. All I

493
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Speaker 6: could say is I've been looking at this case like

494
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Speaker 6: all of you have since day one. I don't know where.

495
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Speaker 6: If you're on Mars, you know it's Fi all intentsive purposes,

496
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Speaker 6: it's Colberger. It doesn't look good for him. Where are

497
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Speaker 6: you getting this third person? I don't know the person

498
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Speaker 6: on the grassy knoll.

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Speaker 2: As we say, it does seem like we would have

500
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Speaker 2: heard about this a little bit sooner. And this is

501
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Speaker 2: stuff And obviously I listen, I'm kind of the last

502
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Speaker 2: man standing on like public trials, like, I don't love it.

503
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: I don't love the public seeing stuff before it goes

504
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: to court, and leaks and things like that I don't

505
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Speaker 2: think it's fair. You know, if you're going to go

506
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Speaker 2: for a death sentence trial, you know he should get

507
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Speaker 2: a fair one. To Courtney's point, however, you know, even

508
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Speaker 2: for me, I'm getting shocked on a daily basis about

509
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Speaker 2: what is being put out there is not looking very

510
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Speaker 2: good and is that fair? I don't know, but it

511
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Speaker 2: is true. I want to talk to you about the

512
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Speaker 2: door dash information also that recently was released.

513
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to talk about that in the next segment,

514
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Speaker 4: but stay tuned. Coming up, we have the ongoing manhunt

515
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: for the fugitive dad Travis Decker. There's been a new

516
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: release of what he might look like and it's pretty alarming.

517
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Speaker 4: A break in at the house of the slain Minnesota lawmaker.

518
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Speaker 4: Really crazy and it's what we're watching Wednesday. Stick with

519
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 4: us to find out what us true crime documentaries are

520
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 4: making our headspin. Keep it right here on True Crime

521
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Speaker 4: to Night. Jared, So you were you were a prosecutor,

522
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Speaker 4: right so, as a prosecutor who was pretty successful, I

523
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Speaker 4: might add, what do you think the biggest mistake the

524
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Speaker 4: Commonwealth made in the retrial? Knowing everything that all the

525
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 4: mistakes they made in the first trial, right, going into

526
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Speaker 4: this again with the same theory, the same presentation, was

527
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Speaker 4: that their biggest misstep or was it something else?

528
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Speaker 6: Problem is, that's a great question. The problem is they're stuck.

529
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Speaker 6: They're stuck with their case. They're stuck with much of

530
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Speaker 6: the testimony of the first trial. The way they changed

531
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Speaker 6: their cases. They had their own biomechanical engineer this time.

532
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Speaker 6: If you remember, in the first trial, they had Trooper Paul,

533
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Speaker 6: who was woefully underqualified when compared to the arc of

534
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Speaker 6: Bois and everybody else. So they beefed up their expertise

535
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Speaker 6: a little bit. But really they're stuck with their theory.

536
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Speaker 6: They believed this case went down this way, and that's

537
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Speaker 6: why they retried it that way. Their witnesses, if they

538
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 6: changed their stories, they would have been lying in trial

539
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 6: to or lied in trial I, and that testimony would

540
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 6: have come back to hurt them. So you're kind of

541
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Speaker 6: stuck with your theory.

542
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Speaker 9: You know.

543
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Speaker 6: I don't think there was much they can do beyond

544
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Speaker 6: try to deef up that expertise. And they brought in

545
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Speaker 6: Hank Brennan, who was not the lead in the first case.

546
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Speaker 3: That's right, right.

547
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Speaker 5: I have kind of a follow up to that, what

548
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Speaker 5: do you think about the fact that the jury again

549
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Speaker 5: and thankfully we have come to a conclusion in this one,

550
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Speaker 5: but that again there was confusion about the verdict slip

551
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Speaker 5: having been through the first time. Do you feel like

552
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Speaker 5: that's a lesson that should have been learned.

553
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Speaker 6: Well, So the Judge Bev was very committed to a

554
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Speaker 6: vanilla verdict slip that's dictated to her by the state. Okay,

555
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Speaker 6: there's two types of vertict slips. You could have a

556
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Speaker 6: verdict slipt that is essentially a script that the state

557
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 6: gives you and these crimes are charged, these are the

558
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Speaker 6: questions that are asked. You can also add for jury

559
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Speaker 6: instructions or verdict s flips style instructions from the parties

560
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Speaker 6: that you can kind of massage information or facts of

561
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Speaker 6: the case into the verdict slip to make it a

562
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Speaker 6: little bit more digestible. Judge Bev was not moving on

563
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Speaker 6: that verdict slip. She was concerned any change would create

564
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Speaker 6: an issue for appeal. But it is confusing, it's confusing

565
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Speaker 6: to lawyers, and it is certainly confusing to lay people

566
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Speaker 6: on the jury.

567
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Speaker 5: Thank you for explaining the ration now behind it, because

568
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Speaker 5: I couldn't on Monday when the jurors had a question

569
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Speaker 5: and her answer was something like figure it out, you're fine,

570
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Speaker 5: and then later then amended the slip or added something.

571
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Speaker 5: But it makes sense that she just, I guess, wanted

572
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Speaker 5: to stick with the commonwealth, and that rational makes sense too.

573
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Speaker 6: Actually, and she's very limited. The judge is very limited

574
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Speaker 6: on what she can answer to jury questions. That always

575
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Speaker 6: sounds like a high handed appro like you know, vix

576
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Speaker 6: is a part of the case is over. The jury's

577
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Speaker 6: out and they come back with a question, and the

578
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Speaker 6: judges have to be very guarded in what they say.

579
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Speaker 6: They cannot be perceived as invading the province of the

580
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Speaker 6: jury or impacting their deliberations in any way. So very

581
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Speaker 6: typical in common questions all juries have go unanswered. Unfortunately, Really,

582
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Speaker 6: why didn't realize that?

583
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Speaker 4: I completely understood her saying that she couldn't you know,

584
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Speaker 4: it was a theoretical question because like, of course, the

585
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Speaker 4: jury should not have to worry about the consequences of

586
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Speaker 4: their verdict, right, And so I understood that, you know,

587
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Speaker 4: I understood. But when they asked the question about the times,

588
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Speaker 4: like was it twelve forty five or five? And she responded,

589
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Speaker 4: and then she said, you have all the evidence figured

590
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Speaker 4: it out. I was a little surprised that.

591
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Speaker 6: She said, well again, and if the prosecution charged it

592
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Speaker 6: a certain way, they would say she was oh ui

593
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Speaker 6: at five am or at midnight, it would have been

594
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Speaker 6: clarified in the charge.

595
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Speaker 7: So I didn't necessarily agree with that particularly.

596
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Speaker 6: Yeah, answer the other thing she said, don't concern yourself

597
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Speaker 6: with the consequences. That's a sentencing question. They weren't concerned

598
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Speaker 6: with the consequences of their decision. They were saying, Judge,

599
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Speaker 6: if we see she's guilty, Oh, why is she necessarily

600
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Speaker 6: guilty of the secretary murder?

601
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Speaker 7: That's not a consequence question.

602
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Speaker 4: Well, I think they were worried. I thought they were

603
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Speaker 4: worried about a hung it being hung. I thought that,

604
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Speaker 4: you know, they they didn't want to be hung. I

605
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Speaker 4: thought that's what they were saying.

606
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Speaker 6: We were saying, is if she's guilty of one count,

607
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Speaker 6: does it make her guilty of all? Is that a

608
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Speaker 6: consequence of our our finding her guilty? Even if they

609
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Speaker 6: were worried about her being being hung, it's still not

610
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Speaker 6: a consequence question in my opinion. Consequences if we find

611
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Speaker 6: her guilty of second, what's her sentence? That's not something

612
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Speaker 6: a jury would think about.

613
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Speaker 3: So I had another question.

614
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Speaker 5: So we talked about, you know, the Karen Reid side

615
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Speaker 5: or kind of no one wanting to see the inside

616
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Speaker 5: of another courtroom. And I think you said that well,

617
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Speaker 5: and I think that's probably true. Will the Commonwealth do

618
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Speaker 5: you envision that they'll be facing any pressure because this

619
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Speaker 5: still will be an unsolved death of a fallen police officer.

620
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Speaker 5: Is there pressure to find someone else?

621
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Speaker 7: You know?

622
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Speaker 6: I think in their mind they found who was responsible,

623
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Speaker 6: and I think you know, they lost it. You know,

624
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 6: they lost the game. And that's not to simplify this,

625
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 6: but that is what they believed happened to John O'Keefe.

626
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Speaker 6: They failed to prove it as a result of their

627
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 6: own failures in this investigation. So to come back now,

628
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 6: and then your question, I would think, is do we

629
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Speaker 6: now look at Albert? Do we now look at Higgins?

630
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Speaker 6: Was this a possibility? A prosecution on that footing would

631
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Speaker 6: have zero credibility? I agree, couldn't come forward, you know,

632
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Speaker 6: you know, in a perfect world where they get a

633
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Speaker 6: second bite at the apple to.

634
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Speaker 7: Pursue a theory that may be more approvable.

635
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Speaker 6: Who knows, but quite honestly, they died on the hill

636
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Speaker 6: that it was Karen Reid.

637
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they We have a.

638
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Speaker 3: Really hard time convincing a Jerry. Hey.

639
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Speaker 4: You know, for the last four years or whatever, two years,

640
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Speaker 4: we've been saying it's been Karen Reed, but now, okay, no,

641
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Speaker 4: it's not.

642
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: It's this person, right.

643
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Speaker 6: Exactly, absent some huge piece of evidence coming out pushing

644
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Speaker 6: them in a totally different trajectory.

645
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Speaker 7: Can't see that.

646
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 6: Happening, right right?

647
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Speaker 4: If there was, yeah, a big piece of evidence would

648
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Speaker 4: convince me for sure, you know, but there isn't any.

649
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Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't even go in the house.

650
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Speaker 4: They're not going to get any evidence, right, So, yeah,

651
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: they're not gonna they're not gonna be able to reprosecute this.

652
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: And what about Turtle Boy.

653
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Speaker 2: You know, Turtle Boy, for anyone who's been following this

654
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: case closely, is a journalist and a blogger. I think

655
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Speaker 2: he was a former high school history teacher or something.

656
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Speaker 2: And you know, it's being talked about quite actively that

657
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Speaker 2: this is the person that really shed light on this

658
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Speaker 2: case and really started pushing out material that showed this

659
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Speaker 2: little crack in the system potentially in law enforcement. Is

660
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Speaker 2: that a good thing? Was that a distractor. Do you

661
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Speaker 2: have an opinion on that. Well, also, it's very controversial.

662
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Speaker 6: I know it is. And I think Turtle Boy's name

663
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 6: is Aiden Tierney, and he kind of rose to fame

664
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Speaker 6: in this thing. And I think there were times he

665
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 6: thought he was part of the defense team. They didn't

666
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 6: need him, there were some great lawyers. But in the meantime,

667
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 6: he did shine light on it. He believed in his

668
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 6: heart this was an just she was wrongfully accused. That's

669
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 6: why there were groups of people protesting and out there

670
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 6: in support of Karen Reid every day because people like

671
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 6: Aiden brought this out. So you know, look, who can

672
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Speaker 6: blame the guy for shining a light on what he

673
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 6: believed was an injustice and it turned out to be

674
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Speaker 6: that in the eyes of a jury. So but at

675
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 6: the same time, people like that. Now he finds himself.

676
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Speaker 7: Accused of witness intimidation.

677
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Speaker 6: Now he's facing criminal charges.

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Speaker 2: So mean I rose, Yeah, I was reading that. You know,

679
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Speaker 2: two things that I thought were interesting in my research

680
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: was that she had, you know, Turtle Boy or you know,

681
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: Aiden had made about one hundred and eighty nine phone

682
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: calls to Karen Reid, you know, during a trial. I

683
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a bad thing or is that illegal?

684
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Speaker 2: And what kind of intimidation is he being accused of.

685
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Speaker 6: Well, he's being accused of statements that he made online.

686
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 6: I believe statements that he made online causing harassment and

687
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 6: intimidation of people in the case when they testify, when

688
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 6: they were going to testify. And look, that's a bridge

689
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 6: too far. You know, you've got to understand. If you

690
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 6: want to show your support, you want to get the

691
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 6: story out, fine, but if you're coloring the testimony of

692
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Speaker 6: actual witnesses based on threatening behavior or you know, dotting

693
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 6: people online, that's a whole different deal. And he's going

694
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Speaker 6: to face consequences potentially for that.

695
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Speaker 3: Well didn't he already have his hearing and he was

696
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Speaker 3: found not.

697
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Speaker 6: Guilty but he was I think he's still facing another charge.

698
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Speaker 2: Of Oh yeah, and I think he was found guilty

699
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: not guilty on something, and I think there might be

700
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Speaker 2: some other loose ends.

701
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Speaker 3: I haven't kept up with that arm of this case,

702
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Speaker 3: so I wasn't sure.

703
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 7: That's a side show of the case.

704
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Speaker 4: Right, it's like another arm, right, But I mean I think, listen,

705
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 4: I think without turtle Boy, though I don't know that

706
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 4: Karen would have been able to do all this fundraising,

707
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: because really, Turtle Boy is the kind of the guy

708
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: that rang those alarm bells and got people kind of

709
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: riled up. Like this case online, it's difficult to discuss

710
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: because you get attacked no matter what you say. If

711
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 4: you're a free Karen person, you get attacked by people

712
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 4: who think she's guilty. If you're a guilty Karen Read person,

713
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: you get attacked by free Karen Read. You cannot discuss

714
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: this case without getting attacked. And I think it's incredibly divisive.

715
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: And I think without that though, because it's gotten people

716
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: really entrenched in their camps and they have to see

717
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 4: things through right like they're digging their heels in. And

718
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: without Turtle Boy, I don't know if that any of

719
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Speaker 4: that would have happened. So kudos to him for getting

720
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: people really invested in this case.

721
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Speaker 3: Just in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here here, I know it's complicated stuff. You know,

723
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Speaker 2: we don't want to be influencing trials, but at the

724
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: same time, it's really important for us to be talking

725
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: about this stuff because how do you know how to

726
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: keep yourself safe in the world or what to look

727
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: for in sticky situations If we don't unpack the justice system.

728
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: So we're so grateful you're here. Yeah, Jar, are you

729
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 2: going to stick with us and talk a little bit

730
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 2: more about ditty as well, because talk about jurors and

731
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: you know, another explosive day in court there, and I

732
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Speaker 2: feel like we still also only glossed over the hearing

733
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: today a little bit with Brian Coberger and the implications

734
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: of this door dash video. It all kind of beads itself.

735
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: It's been a wild day of court reporting and we're

736
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: just so glad to have have you here to unpack

737
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: it with us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the clarity you've offered has really You've answered

739
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 5: a lot of questions that we've all had in the

740
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Speaker 5: back of our brains.

741
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Speaker 2: I know, we only have you on borrow time, so

742
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: we want to jump right in jurors. What is happening

743
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: to all of these jurors in the Sean Diddy Koms trial.

744
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Speaker 6: This would drive me crazy as a prosecutor, just so

745
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 6: you know, you get so far you're worried about what

746
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 6: you're going to say, what the defense is going to say,

747
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 6: what the judge is going to do, and all of

748
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 6: a sudden, the juris are giving you the jurors are

749
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 6: giving you headaches in that courtroom. So two big developments

750
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 6: this week. We lost a juror who was accused of

751
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 6: misrepresenting his residency. The second today was shut down because

752
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 6: the juror had vertigo, and so today's proceedings were canceled

753
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 6: as a result of that. So you have two actions

754
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 6: of jurors causing significant delay and significant changes as the

755
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 6: case moves forward.

756
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: And it seems a little fishy again. I'm I'm going

757
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: a little bit on the crazy side here, So go

758
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: with me, steer me back in. It seems like it

759
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: is impossible for me to imagine that on the eve

760
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: of one of the largest witnesses in this trial that

761
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: probably can really speak the most to racketeering and innefarious

762
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: behavior behind closed doors on Ditty's dime, is this next

763
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: witness who you know is said to be his mule

764
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: and has you know, knows where all the stuff is

765
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: and has been a part of all the shenanigans. He's

766
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: also got an immunity. This probably is a witness that

767
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a Ditty's camp, you don't want

768
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: this person to speak. Isn't it strange that all of

769
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: the jurors are hitting hard times.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's a good question.

771
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: I don't know that you can even answer it, but who.

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Speaker 6: It is strange, But at the same time, you know,

773
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: when the trials go on like this, I mean it's

774
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Speaker 6: day twenty six, it's the odds of having an issue

775
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 6: are pretty good. Like you have twelve lay people ripped

776
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 6: out of their lives twenty six days.

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00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 7: I mean, the key witness.

778
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 6: Again, there are some big witnesses coming.

779
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 7: Up, no doubt, but Cassie was the big witness here

780
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 7: and she's.

781
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 6: Done and she was on there for several days.

782
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 7: So I don't know.

783
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 6: I mean, I get the conspiracy theory and the concern,

784
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 6: but I do think as you go along in these trials,

785
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 6: these things do happen.

786
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: I would hate to be a juror, and I just

787
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: feel like it's unsafe for these jurors to be kind

788
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: of not anonymous. It's amazing to me that we don't

789
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: have jurors that are, like, I don't know, in a

790
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: dark room where no one can see them. It's very

791
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: dangerous stuff and they're really putting themselves out there. So

792
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: and same for the witnesses.

793
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Speaker 7: It's been a tough year. A couple of years for juriso.

794
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 6: If you remember the Alec Murdoch case that the jury

795
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 6: was talking to the clerk and there was an issue

796
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 6: there that could have paused issues on the appeal. It's like,

797
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 6: it's jurorsy. This is the year of jurors behaving badly.

798
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: I think that could be a show that to be

799
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Speaker 3: a show.

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Speaker 4: By the way, it's old man, Jared, you heard it

801
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: right here, You're the star of that show.

802
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: Are you available? We start shooting, You're we're shooting sider. No,

803
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: you're just the boss of it and you're telling him

804
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: what's up. But yeah, that's really it's true. It has been.

805
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: Juror's gone wild a bit.

806
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Speaker 3: KK.

807
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 5: Do you think she's turned state's evidence. What do you

808
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 5: think about the kind of shroud of mystery that it

809
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 5: kind of seems like take us under?

810
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 6: The only the only thing I would I could think

811
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 6: is everybody else has gone that way in this case.

812
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 7: So far.

813
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 6: I'm anticipating that she's going to have some damning information

814
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 6: in the case. No doubt whether even if, even if

815
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 6: she's trying to protect him, there's documentary evidence that could

816
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 6: potentially hurt him. In the rico charge, business records, information,

817
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 6: things that are innocuous that could feed into the fact

818
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 6: that this was an ongoing business, a bad boy transaction

819
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 6: where they rented a car, the transported Cassie to a hotel,

820
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Speaker 6: a bill that was paid. She can't point the finger

821
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 6: at Diddy and implicate him with pretty innocuous stuff. That's

822
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Speaker 6: something the cake can do here, h.

823
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Speaker 5: We will see well listen. Thank you so much for

824
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 5: joining us. Jared Farantino, You are a wealthy knowledge. Please

825
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 5: tune in to Jared's YouTube series Primetime Crime and his podcast.

826
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Speaker 3: True Crime Boss. Wherever you get your podcast, keep it here.

827
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: Karen Reid retrial verdict. She's been found not guilty of

828
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: two of the three charges she was found guilty on OUI,

829
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: driving under the influence, and other than that. She goes

830
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: home tonight and this mess for her is over. But

831
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Speaker 2: first we have a talk back, so let's go straight

832
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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 10: Hey, am I the only one who thinks it's suspicious

834
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 10: that within hours of Karen Reid being acquitted of everything

835
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Speaker 10: but a DUI, that the whole House Party gang issued

836
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 10: a joint statement about them being upset with the verdict.

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Speaker 7: That seems crazy to me, you know.

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Speaker 3: By the way I had a scene reaction, did you know?

839
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Speaker 6: I did?

840
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Speaker 2: I did. I'm not I again, I don't even know

841
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: where I feel on this, but I was surprised that

842
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: people who had been brought under suspicion during this time,

843
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: you know, who had obviously not been a huge help

844
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: in this investigation at the bare minimum, that they went

845
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Speaker 2: out and put out a statement. I was confused by it.

846
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: I didn't take it that way.

847
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 4: I took it that they were his colleagues and friends,

848
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Speaker 4: and you know, basically, I thought, from my opinion, they

849
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Speaker 4: were like, well, I guess they bought the idea that

850
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: we are somehow responsible, you know, like, I'm not happy

851
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: about that, and I'm also not happy my friend and

852
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 4: colleague is not getting justice for his you know, killing. HM.

853
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: That's how I took it.

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00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 5: I'm so glad you asked, because on the one hand,

855
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Speaker 5: I did not think it was that strange that there

856
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 5: was a statement that was sort of ready to go out.

857
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: It came from a communication firm.

858
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 5: So it was probably packaged up, but the content of

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Speaker 5: it was very startling. It began makes sense quoting today.

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Speaker 5: Our hearts are with John and the entire O'Keeffe family.

861
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 5: They have suffered so much and deserve better from our

862
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 5: justice system. I think everyone could agree it with that totally.

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Speaker 5: Here's my huge question. It goes on to say, well,

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Speaker 5: we may have more to say in the future. We

865
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Speaker 5: are morning with John's family and lament the cruel reality

866
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 5: that this prosecution was infected by lies and conspiracy theories

867
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Speaker 5: spread by Karen Reid, her defense team and some in

868
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Speaker 5: the media. So they're saying the prosecution was infected by lies.

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Speaker 4: No, I think they're just saying the whole the case itself, right,

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Speaker 4: like the prosecution of Karen Reid has been infected, not

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Speaker 4: I don't be.

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Speaker 2: Infected by their poor work.

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Speaker 3: I agree, that's what read.

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Speaker 2: That's like, I mean, honestly, kay, I see you break.

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Speaker 2: You're a part of the reason that this infection has happened.

876
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: And also, if I'm a cop, by the way, it's

877
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: such a hard gig. People go out there. They they're underpaid.

878
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: They're putting on uniforms to defend us and keep us

879
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: all safe. That is, enlarge, how it should be, and

880
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: is until like Stink was like this make it confusing

881
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: for all of us, And I think that is a

882
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: very strange statement.

883
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 3: Courtney to your point.

884
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: But although, body, I really appreciate that your understanding, because

885
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 5: that honestly makes a lot of no sense.

886
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 3: I it blew my mind. I read it seven times. Oh,

887
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: I mean I could be wrong.

888
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: I just but I read it as like the prosecution

889
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: of Karen Reid, not like the Commonwealth process, right like

890
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: just like the trial itself.

891
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: Not But I could be I could be taking it wrong. No,

892
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 3: that okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. I just didn't.

893
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, I didn't.

894
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: I kind of expected one from the o'kee family, you know,

895
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 4: but maybe they did. Maybe they need to get their bearings,

896
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 4: and maybe just now is not the right time. But

897
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 4: I kind of expected one from them, and I didn't

898
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 4: see one yet, and so I did think it was

899
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 4: inappropriate for his you know, those people that were in

900
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 4: the house to make one before the Oke family.

901
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: That's the only criticism I have you.

902
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: Why not just keep it a little quiet, you know,

903
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: just you know, everybody respectfully, just good respect right, right?

904
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I again I have to take it

905
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: down a notch.

906
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: I'm feeling so.

907
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: Barred, are you still feeling?

908
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what's wrong with me? So please do

909
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: you tell me, like anxious one crime, and please tell

910
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: me what's wrong.

911
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 4: My friends, if you're anything like my friends, they're feeling

912
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: it too. Stuff like it's crazy, I'm telling you, sobbing.

913
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: They were sobbing, they were so happy, and like my

914
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 4: one friend got flowers sent to her, you know, like

915
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 4: it's it's it's a thing. It's like people are really

916
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: feeling this, and I think it's just been such a

917
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: long build up, right, I mean two years, right, yeah,

918
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: it has been. I feel this way after Delphi. After Delphi,

919
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: I cried because it was seven years a build up.

920
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 2: By the way, I to do a very deep dive

921
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: on the Delphi murderers, you know, like that is something

922
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: that those girls also need a proper unpacked because I

923
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: know it's so close to your heart. And then also, frankly,

924
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Diddy has gotten me all bothered and crazy and incensed

925
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: a little bit too. It just seems like here we

926
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: are at such a pivotal point in this trial now

927
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: we're having all these shenanigans with the jurors. Does make

928
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: sense though, what Jarrett was just telling us about. You know,

929
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: it's been a long time. People get sick, you know,

930
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: we know Diddy was six last week. You know, it's

931
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: a fatiguing process, but it just makes me concerned about

932
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: witnesses coming forward. Imagine. I mean, now we're hearing that

933
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: the freak Off videos are being shared as an exhibit

934
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: in court, and you know, we've heard so much about these,

935
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: but the jurors are now seeing the video for themselves,

936
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: and you know, that's a big chunk and a lot

937
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: to take in. Not that I'm making a comparison to

938
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: murder photos, but you know, Courtney, we've all been to

939
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: trials and sometimes you wish you could unsee something because

940
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: it's just it's too graphic. And in this case, the

941
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: jurors were given headsets, and you know, of course everyone's

942
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: trying to be respectful of what they're watching. This is

943
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: somebody's life and somebody's maybe worst day. We're seeing it

944
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: in action, and maybe that is enough to cause some vertigo.

945
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just it's all seeming so intense,

946
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: and to be truthful, I feel bamboozled by Diddy too.

947
00:43:58,719 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: I was a fan.

948
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: I was some who really did enjoy his music, and

949
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: now I see this stuff and I hear this stuff

950
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: in it.

951
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: It makes me sad. Yeah, I have a question. Do

952
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: we know so we know about the juror.

953
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 5: We spoke about the juror who was replaced number sixty trial, Okay,

954
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 5: we know about today number three with vertigo, Okay, number two.

955
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 5: Did that come to conclusion that's the jury.

956
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: The court was gone today, so we don't really have

957
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: too too much info. They cut it quits because of

958
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: the vertigo juror two. You know, I don't know what

959
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 2: their number is. It's just another juror, another juror. Yeah,

960
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: so Juror number six specifically had been released from this

961
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 2: trial because they were being a little confusing about there

962
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: where they lived. And then there was another juror who

963
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: had received a text from an anonymous person basically inquiring

964
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: if they were juror number six, and then that juror,

965
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: the second one, shared that with you know, the judge,

966
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: and that had some kickback. Does that mean that maybe

967
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: this particular juror was talking to others, which of course

968
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to do in a high profile or

969
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: any case little in a high profile one. Is that

970
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: what that means? Or are they getting a text because

971
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: somehow they're not as anonymous anymore and that is threatening

972
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: who knows well.

973
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see how that unfolds. I'm going

974
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 5: to take this moment to take a pause on all

975
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 5: the trial insanity that has ensued, and here is some

976
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 5: other news that is equally as important. Travis Decker. He

977
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 5: is the man who is accused of murdering his three

978
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: young daughters, all under ten years old. There's been a

979
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 5: massive manhunt for him, and it.

980
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: Reached three weeks.

981
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 5: Today, the Shelanne County Sheriff's Office in Washington State released

982
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 5: a flyer showing digitally altered images of Travis Decker's possible

983
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 5: current appearance. It was really interesting to see, because boy,

984
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 5: changing your facial hair, shaving your hair, having long hair

985
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 5: can make you look like totally different.

986
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: Peoples, different in every Yeah, pretty unrecognizable in fact, I

987
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: mean it's pretty shocking.

988
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: I tweeted it out.

989
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: Because I was like, oh my gosh, this doesn't even

990
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 4: look like the guy that I think I'm looking for.

991
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

992
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: So that was a great call that they've done this.

993
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 5: Obviously, they are the cream of the crop in terms

994
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 5: of prose, and let us hope that this manhunt comes

995
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 5: to a close soon.

996
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: It's a tough one too. Yeah, this is such a

997
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: tough one because you know, the mom was reaching out

998
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: and looking for some help. So how do we go

999
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: from here? I mean, the custody situation was obviously very

1000
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: difficult between mom and dad. Mom reached out and said

1001
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: that she had concerns about dad having these overnights because

1002
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: he had been displaced in his homeless and had been

1003
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: suffering with some mental health issues. And by the way,

1004
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: this is somebody who was diagnosed, you know, with something

1005
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: very serious borderline personality disorder treatable.

1006
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: Of course, this is not a stain on him.

1007
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: He served our country, He served in Afghanistan, he came home,

1008
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: he was suffering from PTSD based on combat related stuff.

1009
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: You know.

1010
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: So this guy like he was actually looking for help too,

1011
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: and it had been identified, but it was hard to

1012
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: keep him on a program and mom raised her hand.

1013
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: But at the same time, of course, the courts want

1014
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: their dad to be able to spend time with them.

1015
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: It's a tough thing.

1016
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: It's just like the worst ending to a very common problem.

1017
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's court audio that we're going to get

1018
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 5: to later in this week. That's Travis Decker's own words.

1019
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 5: But in other breaking news, body.

1020
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: Share what you have.

1021
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you guys know about the politicians that were

1022
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: gunned down, assassinated basically in Minnesota. Well, last night, an

1023
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: apparent break in occurred at house Representative Melissa Hortman's home.

1024
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: Isn't that? I mean somebody walk into.

1025
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: This home's no, somebody seems to have broken into it

1026
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: and was looking for something, because it seems that nothing

1027
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: was taken nothing, So were they casing the place or

1028
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: what was the story with that?

1029
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: I just can't help but feel like something else is

1030
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: going on. And I'm I am not a conspiracy person.

1031
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: You sound like me right now.

1032
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: I know you're working off on me.

1033
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 2: No, we don't want that. We don't want that you're

1034
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: opening yes, No, but it is seems doesn't it.

1035
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: Seem like something else is going on here.

1036
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 4: Yes, they took the plywood off of the home, you know,

1037
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 4: because the cops, because they basically busted in the door, right,

1038
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: they took all the plywood off and broke into this

1039
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: woman's home, this woman who was gunned down with her

1040
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 4: dog and her husband, and they nothing's been taken.

1041
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: Nothing's been taken.

1042
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: And you know, obviously the police had to go there

1043
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 2: again and do another search and make sure they sweep

1044
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: the house, and by you know, all accounts, at this moment,

1045
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: nothing was stolen, and it looks as though somebody was

1046
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: looking for something, and in the reports that I read

1047
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: that they were it looked like it had just been

1048
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: gone through, but there was nothing missing. And yeah, that

1049
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: of course raises everybody's alarms. What were they looking for?

1050
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 7: Right?

1051
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: Well, authorities put a police trailer camera kind of situation

1052
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 4: at the front of the house, but somebody pried off

1053
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: the plywood cover in the rear window and broke the

1054
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 4: glass again inside, so they went to the back of

1055
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: the house.

1056
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god, why would you do that?

1057
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 2: It's an active crime scene too. So again, if you're

1058
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 2: just looking to be nefarious and steal some jewelry because

1059
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: you know that there's been something, you know that happened there,

1060
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: and maybe the house is empty because it's boarded up,

1061
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: you wouldn't.

1062
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 4: Do that if you know that they're looking at this house.

1063
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: It's a highly covered case. And how do they know

1064
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 4: they didn't take the jewelry? Like, how do they know

1065
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: every ring and necklace she had?

1066
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's a very good point.

1067
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: I don't know how do they know that I don't know.

1068
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: I mean I would know if I went into my

1069
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: mom's house or if I was a family member, you know,

1070
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: I would know what to be looking for a little bit.

1071
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: Chances are you guys could roll through my place and

1072
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: know aha, you know, like not that there's you know,

1073
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: fine jewelry and you know artwork to be stealing. But

1074
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, I think you would be a good source.

1075
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 2: So that is a it's a question mark.

1076
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 5: And we actually have I believe we have a call

1077
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 5: on the line right now, Denise.

1078
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 9: Hi.

1079
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 11: I'm so glad to that you guys are having me on.

1080
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 11: I appreciate it, of course, so I'm called, Oh, thank you,

1081
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 11: I'm calling. Could talk about Diddy. I heard that the

1082
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 11: trial didn't actually happen today because one of the jurors

1083
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 11: was sick, and I guess they were sick with vertigo,

1084
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 11: and they found out that the the I guess the

1085
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 11: judge found out because his wife called to let him know.

1086
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 11: So it was really interesting for me because I was

1087
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 11: shocked to recognize that the judge would allow such a

1088
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 11: high profile case to have the jury not be sequestered

1089
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 11: because because I guess you said it was unnecessary and burdensome,

1090
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 11: so I guess my question is how how common is

1091
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 11: a is it for a high potile case like this

1092
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 11: to have the jurors not be sequestered? And is it

1093
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 11: really realistic to think that they're not gonna or are

1094
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 11: they're going to be able to avoid any media coverage

1095
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 11: or discussions about the trial.

1096
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: I thought, you're not human? And you know, Venise, that

1097
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: is such a good observation. It hadn't even occurred to me.

1098
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: I actually read that too, that his wife called him

1099
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: in this jur with the vertigo, because vertigo is no joke.

1100
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: It's very you know, debilitating. But yeah, how would she

1101
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: know what to do and who to call if she

1102
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: didn't know, oh, that he was doing. Yeah, that's, you know,

1103
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: we great question.

1104
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 4: We were talking about this specific thing a few nights

1105
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 4: ago and I got nosy.

1106
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: I'm a nosy girl. I can't help it.

1107
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 4: And I looked it up, like, why isn't the Diddy

1108
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 4: jury sequestered? Because I think it's a big deal too.

1109
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: Like dangerous.

1110
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 4: Well, if somebody's being accused of racketeering, I automatically think

1111
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: mafia boss, you know things like that, right, And so

1112
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 4: I automatically think because of that, it's dangerous. So I'm like,

1113
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,439
Speaker 4: why isn't this jury sequestered? And I read that it's

1114
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 4: really really rare for federal juries to be sequestered.

1115
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:47,959
Speaker 3: I wonder why.

1116
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 4: I don't that that I couldn't find out. I wish

1117
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: it's probably is it the money? I was going to

1118
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 4: think about the hotel stays? You got to go away

1119
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 4: from your job. I mean, what a drag to be sequestered, right, so,

1120
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 4: no question, you're being trapped in this terrible reality show.

1121
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 4: Although what an important honor because your job is so important. Listen,

1122
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: I'm a sequestered for somebody's life in Malaysia on the

1123
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: mole and it was essentially poor. No listen, I mean

1124
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 4: because if they get sequestered, they take their they take

1125
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 4: their phone, they're cut off.

1126
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: But you're not fun and Venie, what do you think?

1127
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: Because honestly, if I'm on a jury like this, I'm

1128
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: concerned that my face is out there and that my

1129
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: identity is not anonymous one hundred percent.

1130
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 11: And then the reality is to your point of having anonymity,

1131
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 11: if I am on a jury jury and I'm not

1132
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 11: a quester, and I am absolutely going to use my

1133
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 11: cell phone or whatever mediums like maybe look up some

1134
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 11: words of some course situations that's happening in the child

1135
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 11: that I'm not familiar with. So just by nature of

1136
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 11: doing that and recognizing how how high profile it is,

1137
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 11: they're gonna have exposure to any and everything Diddy just

1138
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 11: by circumstance. So I really don't understand how there is

1139
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 11: a real assumption that they can avoid discussion for media coverage.

1140
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 11: It's an impossibility.

1141
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so curious.

1142
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: What do you think about the fact that the next

1143
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: witness that was scheduled to be there today obviously now tomorrow,

1144
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: you know, is a holiday, and the following day, allegedly

1145
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: this you know, former assistant of Ditty will be testifying.

1146
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: He received immunity for his testimony, so you have to

1147
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 2: would assume.

1148
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 3: It's pretty explosive.

1149
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: He was picked up, if I'm not mistaken, the same

1150
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: time that the raids were going on at Ditty's homes.

1151
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: This guy was picked up at Miami Airport, had a

1152
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: little something on him, was associated with drug muling, and

1153
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: was looking at charges of his own. Now there's an

1154
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: immunity thing happening, and he might be a very big

1155
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: piece of this racketeering conversation because he was staff.

1156
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: Do you think that suspicious timing?

1157
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 11: I think that if it looks and smells like a rat,

1158
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 11: it's probably.

1159
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 9: I mean, I do have the call.

1160
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 11: Yeah, he was theuitar map with this gentleman in the

1161
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 11: blue sweater exactly. Can I say I smell a little

1162
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 11: bit of Shine with them?

1163
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: Right?

1164
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 11: Remember back in the day when Shine took the fall? Well,

1165
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 11: I mean, and I will say that out loud.

1166
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's true.

1167
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 2: You can say that. Actually, I think Caven says it now.

1168
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: Shine is like, yeah, I got hosed. And if you're not,

1169
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: if anyone doesn't know who that is, Shine is the

1170
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: man who did many years behind bars. You'll remember in

1171
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 2: the nineties when j Lo and Diddy were at that

1172
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: night club in New York City. This is a very

1173
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: infamous night. There was a shootout and somebody was shot

1174
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: in YadA YadA YadA, Diddy and j Loo allegedly, you know,

1175
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: dip and this man Shine faces authorities and takes the

1176
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: fall essentially, and I think did he kind of just

1177
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: they all kind of abandoned them. And the speculation has

1178
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: always he's been that Shine took the fall for Diddy anyway,

1179
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: That's like the speculation we're not saying that happen, but

1180
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: that's the allegedly, allegedly allegedly of it. So sorry, just

1181
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: so keeping people playing back to you. Vanise.

1182
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, I totally agree, and you explain that perfectly,

1183
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 11: and I will say that allegedly, yes, one hundred percent.

1184
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 11: But from what I also recognized and heard, Shine also

1185
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 11: communicated that without saying out loud, that he did sort of,

1186
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 11: you know, step in front of the line of responsibility

1187
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 11: when it probably was had nothing to do with him exactly. Goodness,

1188
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 11: the woman didn't pass, she was able to tell her story,

1189
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 11: but huge saying so this is that's what this whole

1190
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 11: thing is giving me a little bit, and so I

1191
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 11: think that I'm super excited to see where it goes

1192
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 11: and last type of plea deal he might have. But

1193
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 11: it's definitely giving recall memory for sure.

1194
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm him, I want to like be in

1195
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: a bubble wrap at this point and be in a

1196
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: way under a lock and key, because again, it's dangerous

1197
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: to be these witnesses too.

1198
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: Courtney, what were you going to ask?

1199
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say, this was a great call

1200
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 5: in Venise, Thank you so much. We hope you call

1201
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 5: anytime you have.

1202
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. Call again. We're we watching with you. Yes,

1203
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 3: and we now have Laura on the line.

1204
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: Hi, Laura, what's your question?

1205
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 9: Do you mind if I switched subjects to the Hortman

1206
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 9: case that happened in Minnesota?

1207
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Please, Yes, We're so happy to hear from you.

1208
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 2: What's your question?

1209
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 9: Well, I, you know, obviously what happened over the weekend

1210
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 9: is so horrific and heartbreaking. But then I heard recent

1211
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 9: news that the Hortman's family home was actually broken into, yes,

1212
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 9: you know, after the and that just sounds awful, And

1213
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 9: I'm like, where's the police have that on lockdown? I

1214
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 9: don't understand how that still happened.

1215
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 4: Apparently they put apparently they put like a trailer out

1216
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 4: front with a camera to keep an eye on the home.

1217
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 4: But the perpetrator that broke into the house, the perportrayor

1218
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 4: listen to me, like, I'm so cop The purp broke

1219
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 4: in to a back window. They used the plywood that

1220
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: covers the window, they ripped it off the window and

1221
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 4: smashed the window in the back of the house. Now,

1222
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 4: in my opinion, this is like an active crime scene,

1223
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 4: right like this is this there should be like police

1224
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 4: tape around. There should be like a security guard out there,

1225
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 4: a cop.

1226
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: Something not be How is there not pressed there? Even

1227
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 2: it's been such big news and it's such a terrible loss, Laura,

1228
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: what do you think about this?

1229
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think? Do you think something's fishy? I?

1230
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 9: Well, I think it's just it's also disturbing. I mean,

1231
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 9: I don't even know the details. I assumed that they

1232
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 9: didn't have any security in their home, and it seems

1233
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 9: so sad. That sounds like somebody impersonating a cop and

1234
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 9: having flashing lights on his car that I just imagine

1235
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 9: that they got a you know, a knock in the

1236
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 9: middle of the night saying it with some emergency. You know.

1237
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 9: It's just so dark what happened, and so it feels

1238
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 9: so creepy having somebody to break into the house on

1239
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 9: top of it, you know, I know, and nothing was.

1240
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: Taken, and nothing was taken allegedly, So what do you

1241
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 2: make of that?

1242
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 9: You know, they're looking for something just almost like like

1243
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 9: a more big curiosity it almost maybe Yeah.

1244
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just somebody like a lookie loo right, like

1245
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 4: somebody maybe they're into, like, who's this lookie Lou? That's

1246
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 4: crawling into the crime scene in the middle of the

1247
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 4: night when it's clearly boarded up and there's a police presence.

1248
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: Well kind of been done.

1249
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: Thinks that they're going to sneak by police?

1250
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:23,959
Speaker 3: How did they How did.

1251
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: They know that place is not in case by authorities?

1252
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 4: You would assume in Idaho they had to get security

1253
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 4: out there because people were trying to get in the house.

1254
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 4: They were crawling through the windows under all the boarder.

1255
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 4: I think they might have it had it not been guarded.

1256
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean they had a twenty four hour

1257
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 4: guard out there for months.

1258
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 3: That's that's so wild.

1259
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: We need a support group for that.

1260
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your call, Laura. We appreciate it.

1261
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 5: And we do know that the officers are looking into

1262
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 5: the break in and neighbors are being asked to share

1263
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 5: their rank camera footage. So the Brooklyn Police, the Brooklyn

1264
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 5: Park Police are into it, but neighbors are outraged.

1265
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: Every Yeah, those aerial shots of that neighborhood too, there's

1266
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: like not any fences. It just seems like this beautiful,

1267
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: you know, it's just beautiful, but like wide open spaces

1268
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: in your neighbors can see, like how harrowing for anybody

1269
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: who lives in that area too.

1270
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, not only were people gunned down,

1271
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: these were government officials. I mean it's not like they

1272
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 4: have like secret service or anything like that. It's not,

1273
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 4: you know, they're not like the president. But still, you

1274
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 4: think your neighborhood, you probably feel pretty safe, right if

1275
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: the people next door to me, god forbid, were shot down,

1276
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 4: I know, with your dog, I would probably assume that

1277
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 4: there's a higher presence of all kinds of attention on

1278
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: that house, in that area. It would be unbelievable to

1279
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: me to think that somebody would actually break thin, you know,

1280
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: literally the way they did seemed as though they knew

1281
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 4: where the camera was that they're avoiding. Yes, I mean,

1282
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 4: I'm getting I'm going down a crazy path again.

1283
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: It's not who's in this body. I don't know what's

1284
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: wrong with me. Even conspiracy theory I spend among its

1285
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: in my head.

1286
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 3: My heart hurts.

1287
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: Somebody tell us some good news.

1288
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: I know. Do we have any good news? Yeah, we do,

1289
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 3: as we do well, we.

1290
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 4: Have to the only good news that we have is

1291
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 4: that it's possible. And it depends on what you consider

1292
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 4: good news that you know. Hippler Judge Hippler is not

1293
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 4: going to grant the continuance that the coburger team in

1294
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 4: Idaho is asking for. Is so that it is good

1295
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 4: news in the sense that the family, you know, they're

1296
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 4: raising all this money so they can get an airbnb

1297
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 4: for months, for three months. It's not like if it

1298
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 4: got moved, they'd have to think of the logistics of

1299
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 4: moving for three months and hours away, not just like

1300
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 4: in the same city hours away.

1301
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: That's good news. That's got great news. So stick around.

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Speaker 4: Because next it's what we're watching Wednesday, And don't forget

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Speaker 4: to call us at eight eight eight thirty one Crime

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Speaker 4: with your thoughts on any of tonight's stories. Keep it

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: right here on True Crime Tonight, I want to talk

1306
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 4: about Brian Coberger. Listen, you know I'm over Karen Reid.

1307
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 4: You know I'm done. I'm like, okay, I know we're not,

1308
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 4: but it's just like enough.

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Speaker 3: Already, stay proud.

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Speaker 4: So we talked the other night about this door dash driver, right,

1311
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 4: and you know, Jarrett was here and I wanted to

1312
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 4: ask him about this and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: But he was so he was so good to talk

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01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: to you. I he was great.

1315
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 4: I like him a lot, so I completely, I like

1316
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 4: blacked out and I forgot to ask about this. But

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 4: so to catch people up, there is potentially a new leak,

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Speaker 4: and I wouldn't necessarily call it a leak.

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01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: It was discovered new information. It's new information the public

1320
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: that maybe maybe the prosecution's not psyched about or maybe

1321
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: the defense is not psyched about.

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01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't think any of them are psyched about it.

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01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is new And in the Brian Coolberger case,

1324
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 5: who he has been accused and is going to be

1325
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 5: on trial for allegedly murdering for University of Idaho college students.

1326
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Speaker 4: Yes, that's correct, right, So basically what this new information

1327
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 4: is is that there was you know, people foya bodycam

1328
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 4: footage all the time, and they make content. There's whole

1329
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: shows that all they do is show bodycam footage of

1330
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 4: people being arrested and wilding out right, right, But this

1331
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Speaker 4: is like not a TV show.

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Speaker 2: This was like a YouTube channel of someone who's an

1333
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: enthusiast for bodycam footage, right, has dedicated a lot of

1334
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: their personal resources to you know, putting out footage of

1335
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: people getting arrested for DUIs I think, right.

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Speaker 4: That's mainly what it seems to be and eight months ago,

1337
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 4: they posted a video of a woman getting arrested and

1338
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 4: basically she says, you know, she tells she said intake

1339
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 4: with the police officer and the police officers asking her questions,

1340
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 4: and she says this, she's telling her story. You know,

1341
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 4: my husband, her husband was murdered. It's tragic, and she's

1342
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 4: telling the story. And she said, and now I had

1343
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 4: to testify in the big murder case here because I'm

1344
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: the door dash driver.

1345
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, the murder.

1346
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 4: Case of the college girls, I'm the door dash driver.

1347
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 4: I saw Brian there, I parked right next to him.

1348
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Speaker 4: And it got flagged by It didn't get flagged by

1349
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Speaker 4: the person who FOYA that. They probably don't even know

1350
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 4: about the Idaho college murders, right, it's just a but

1351
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 4: it got flagged by another YouTube account who does know

1352
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 4: about the college Idaho college murders watched it or maybe

1353
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 4: they foyed it independently.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 5: And just so people know, FOYA stands for a Freedom

1356
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Speaker 5: of Information Act and that's the way body, you're so

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01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 5: sophisticated with your crime. I'm sorry, but that's okay.

1358
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Speaker 2: No, not a lot of matter of public record, you know,

1359
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: And if you're an enthusiast about you know, this type

1360
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 2: of footage. That's essentially what it came from. And then

1361
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: another enthusiast found that footage and and by the way,

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Speaker 2: it is very compelling because essentially this woman who you know,

1363
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: might be having a tough night, which is why I

1364
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 2: feel very conflicted about it being out.

1365
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 3: There, right, And we struggled with this.

1366
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: This is like a toughie, like you imagine your worst night,

1367
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: and now it's like for public consumption. But in it

1368
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: she does make this, you know, alleged statement about being

1369
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: the doordaff's driver in this major crime. That's been something

1370
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 2: that has been really under lock and key and has

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01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: been sealed information and their identity has been sealed. But

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Speaker 2: I thought was so interesting as she continues to speak

1373
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 2: about the fact that her husband was killed in front

1374
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: of her and he had been shot many times, and

1375
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: it all together probably sounded so incredibly outlandish and frankly drunken.

1376
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: Right, it turns out everything and that.

1377
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Speaker 2: The other part of this horrible tale was accurate. Her

1378
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: husband was gone down.

1379
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Speaker 4: It's important for people to know who maybe aren't familiar

1380
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 4: with Idaho. It's long been suspected that the door dash

1381
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 4: driver might have seen the suspect. And the reason we

1382
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 4: all thought that is because we had the names of

1383
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 4: everybody else, like, you know that was on scene the

1384
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 4: next morning, you know who they were with that night.

1385
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 3: I mean, we had everybody except the door dash driver.

1386
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 4: So it was long suspected that that person's name was

1387
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 4: hidden because she saw or he because we didn't know

1388
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 4: the gender right saw the suspect, Brian Coberger. And so

1389
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Speaker 4: it's not shocking that, you know, this has come out.

1390
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Speaker 4: What's kind of shocking about it is what we've learned

1391
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 4: tangenically from Drunk Turkey, right, And what we learned from

1392
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 4: that is the Drunk Turkey Show. Who is a former

1393
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 4: law enforcement officer. His name is Daniel. He runs at

1394
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 4: a great show. He's very Idaho centric folk. He kind

1395
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 4: of focuses a little bit right now on this case.

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01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 4: He gets a lot of calls, you know, people call

1397
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 4: into the show, give him tips. He has a good

1398
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 4: relationship with Kaylee's one of the victims, Dad Steve. You know,

1399
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 4: he's kind of I would say trustworthy, yes, all right,

1400
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 4: And he got a call prior to this discovery from

1401
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 4: a friend Supposedly this is all alleged that said, I'm

1402
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 4: a friend of the DoorDash driver and I know something.

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01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 3: She's a middle aged woman. Checks right, that checks.

1404
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 4: And then this is what he said, Daniel, this friend

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01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 4: said to him. As she was walking, the driver of

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01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 4: the white vehicle was passing. She looked at the car,

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01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 4: and the driver of the car was looking at the

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01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 4: house and at her. She also said he was staring

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01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 4: so intently at the house that she wasn't even sure

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01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 4: if he saw her at all. And at the same time,

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01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 4: she looked up and saw a female standing on the

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 4: second floor of the house looking out the window, which

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01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 4: we suspect is Xana. Right now, we struggled with talking

1414
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 4: about this, right we did.

1415
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Speaker 2: We talked prior to the show, we're going to do this,

1416
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: and we really we kind of have dodged it until

1417
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: now it's literally everywhere.

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01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: Now it's everywhere, right, we feel a little bit more

1419
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 3: comfortable talking about it.

1420
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, otherwise I think we still wouldn't because again, we

1421
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: don't want to perpetuate a problem, right, and it's not

1422
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: for us to like try cases in the public opinion.

1423
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily the way it should be.

1424
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 4: Right now, but it's important to acknowledge. It's out there

1425
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 4: of course, right, and now mainstream media is reporting on it.

1426
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Speaker 3: Which is interesting reporting on it. Yeah, everyone's reporting on

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 3: it now.

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01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just I think it's interesting, but I

1429
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 4: wanted to know and maybe maybe somebody out there will

1430
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 4: know this. Just answer this question. You can give us

1431
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 4: a call eight eight eight thirty one crime. Could this

1432
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 4: potentially affect the trial? And because of how she was discovered, right,

1433
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 4: is her credibility at question?

1434
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, that's what the question is saying, for sure.

1435
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 5: I have a question though, why do you guys think

1436
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 5: that the that the prosecution wouldn't have put it forth.

1437
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 5: We have an eye witness they put forth, we have

1438
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 5: DNA evidence they put forth, we have compelling cell phone

1439
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 5: location data they put forth, many other things.

1440
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 4: Why would this because people would know for sure it

1441
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 4: was a DoorDash driver exactly, And that's also slightly dangerous.

1442
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 3: Honestly, she's at risk.

1443
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 4: Listen, there's pro Burgers out there, right, Yeah, there's people

1444
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 4: out there who are y would be so it's very dangerous.

1445
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 3: It's very dangerous.

1446
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: Right.

1447
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 4: There's people out there who are convinced that Brian Coberger

1448
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 4: is innocent and there's nothing wrong with that they're allowed

1449
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 4: to think that, right, and technically illegally he is right now, yep. So,

1450
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 4: but there are unhinged people in every sector, right, I'm

1451
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 4: just like, I'm sure you know there's people that are

1452
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 4: unhinged that think he's guilty, right, And it really does

1453
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 4: put her at risk. It just like Dylan. Dylan's at

1454
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 4: risk and that was anod one too. Dylan is one

1455
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 4: of the surviving roommates if you haven't followed this closely,

1456
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 4: and also a very coveted name, and it's been you know,

1457
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 4: covered so so so much. But it really I guess

1458
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 4: a lot of the things we're talking about tonight speak

1459
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 4: to this dangerous.

1460
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 3: It's very dangerous. So I think that's why Courtney.

1461
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 4: I don't know for sure, obviously, yeah, but I think

1462
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 4: that's why, because it puts turned danger.

1463
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 2: And also to that end, it also doesn't help for

1464
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 2: other either victims or bystanders, people who see something very scary.

1465
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: You know, you want people to come forward and to

1466
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 2: share the truth and to be able to move justice forward.

1467
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: But I can really appreciate how scary that must be.

1468
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 5: I have another question for you guys, and we were

1469
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 5: talking about in this coburger case, you know, the potential

1470
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 5: for an alternate suspect or his defense attorney is saying,

1471
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 5: there's two and they were planting evidence against Brian Coberger

1472
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 5: and this is all going on behind closed doors and

1473
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 5: we haven't seen it in the court.

1474
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 3: And we we've spoken.

1475
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 5: About how it is very hard to have it alternate

1476
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 5: suspect because you can't just be accusing people blindly. Right,

1477
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 5: all this to say what happened in the Casey Anthony trial,

1478
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 5: so taking a little right turn, but that sticks out

1479
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 5: in my mind when we talk about this trial because

1480
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 5: her father was he put forth as a legitimate alternate

1481
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 5: suspect or just said because that man was great?

1482
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 2: Are you saying similarly in this case? Because an alternate

1483
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 2: suspect is being brought forward? Similarly in tot Mom Casey

1484
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 2: Anthony accused of killing her child three year old at

1485
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: the time. Very long in the process, her defense kind

1486
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: of changed for the umpteenth time, and it basically was

1487
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 2: that her father was involved, implicating him.

1488
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 3: That's right.

1489
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 2: I ever see them on Doctor Phil That was explosive.

1490
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 2: But it's a really good question.

1491
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 4: And I didn't she say that, Kate? They were swimming

1492
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 4: and Kayleie drowned and George covered it up.

1493
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and covered it up. And then there was allegations

1494
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: I could abuse and that Casey was being sexually abused.

1495
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 2: Old trauma response because she was also fearful that dad

1496
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: was also sexually abusing his daughter. By the way, he

1497
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: was never convicted of that. So just sharing what was said.

1498
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Speaker 3: This is not and this was said in a documentary

1499
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, and this is not an opinion. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: so I yeah, my question was I don't think.

1501
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 4: I don't think he was brought up as an alternative

1502
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 4: suspect though, was he here?

1503
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 2: I think we'll dig into that because it is an

1504
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 2: interesting point. I think he was definitely under a lot

1505
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: of suspicion and I don't know, I remember him having

1506
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: to get a lie detector test on Doctor Phil about it.

1507
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: For real, I'm not even being funny. It was like

1508
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: a serious thing. I feel like I need a nap

1509
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 2: or to meditate or it just hit myself on the

1510
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: head quicker. It's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, listen tomorrow, we

1511
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: have a big show tomorrow too, because Brian Enton's going

1512
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: to be here, so we're going to be.

1513
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Speaker 3: Talking about all of these cases.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So I'm sure he'll be filled with new

1515
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: information on both Brian Coburger and on Diddy.

1516
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 3: And he's in court with the Bolter guy, the guy

1517
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 3: that killed the politician. So I'm dying to hear take

1518
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 3: on this. He's got his hands in a bunch of

1519
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 3: cases like that.

1520
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 4: I am all also following because Brian is just really

1521
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 4: good at reporting news, like he's just a really good journalist.

1522
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 3: So I'm very reasoned.

1523
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like he's everywhere too.

1524
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm a fan in the trial today though here in

1525
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: today is you get to all these places in one day.

1526
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 3: It's like us, maybe he has a private jet.

1527
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 2: We'll find out tomorrow, speculator, Sure you stay with us.

1528
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm dying to also hear what Brian has to say

1529
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 2: about KK in the daycase and Diddy's chief of staff

1530
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: and what that's turning into seems to be getting more

1531
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 2: and more real. And yeah, the burning question is is she,

1532
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 2: you know, working for the fans or is she going

1533
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 2: to be implicated or or or or you know interesting

1534
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 2: about her too, she comes from this really lovely backgrounds.

1535
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 2: You know, she went to North Carolina State University and

1536
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: studied business and French and was working with Diddy as

1537
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: an executive at Bad Boys Entertainment like good stuff, and

1538
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: then suddenly became chief of staff. And it seems like

1539
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: a big left turn or I don't know, like what

1540
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 2: a mess. So I'm curious what his take on that

1541
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: will be. Yeah, me too, because everyone's asking where's KK

1542
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: where is her? Absence from this trial is felt.

1543
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, right, because everybody's talking about her right, Yes, yes,

1544
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 4: where is she?

1545
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1546
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 3: Where is she?

1547
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 2: And you know, Diddy had described her as his right

1548
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 2: arm and she has been implicated and as you know

1549
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 2: in several of these these civil cases and now of

1550
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: course in recent testimony as well.

1551
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 3: I'm curious about that.

1552
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: I'm also curious why there's been less discussion around kim Porter.

1553
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: That's Ditty's ex wife, right, who also is you know,

1554
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: mother to his children. And she died from pneumonia, is

1555
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 2: what it's said. And then it's of course the conspiracy

1556
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: theorists or you know, she was poisoned.

1557
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 3: Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't.

1558
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: We do not know, but I'm sure there's so much

1559
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: to dig into on the Diddy stuff, So we'll have

1560
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 2: plenty of it tomorrow with Brian.

1561
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, does he do a lot of Diddy do you know.

1562
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 4: I know, but I know he just follows every case

1563
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 4: he does. He's, like I said, he's got his hands

1564
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 4: and everything. But you know, he's also familiar with federal

1565
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 4: court because he was just in federal court with the

1566
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 4: guy who bolter right, the guy who politicians, so he

1567
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 4: might have some insight on how that kind of operates,

1568
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 4: you know. And because it's not televised. Federal court is

1569
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 4: never televised, by the way, which sucks because like, I

1570
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 4: really want to watch Luigi I Adrea too, I would

1571
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 4: like to there not always just cameras in the court room.

1572
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 5: He might also know about why so few cases are

1573
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 5: sequestered sequestered, so he'd be one to ask real quick.

1574
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 3: Since we sorry, yes, we.

1575
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 5: We're watching I'm going to give mine first and quick

1576
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 5: minus crime adjacent, but I think a really valuable watch.

1577
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 3: It's called Social Studies.

1578
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 5: It's streaming on Hulu, and it covers the one entire

1579
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 5: year of the first generation of people raised on social

1580
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 5: media I mentioned here. Now they go into sex, they

1581
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 5: go into racism, they go into hardcore bullying, and a

1582
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 5: lot of sort of hate and crime ideologies are formed online.

1583
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 3: So Social Studies on Hulu.

1584
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 4: Bu Well I watched this weekend. We watched the Gilg

1585
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 4: beat killer House of Secrets, amazing, excellent.

1586
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: You have to watch it. I loved it.

1587
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 2: It's been a great night. We're definitely going to be

1588
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: back tomorrow talking Diddy, So stay with us. Brian Enton's

1589
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: going to be here. This is True Crime Tonight where

1590
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 2: we talk true crime all the time.

1591
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 3: Good Night,