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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Dirk Durham, and today I have a

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Speaker 1: special guest, really good friend, Tom Schneider. Tom and I

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Speaker 1: have kind of connected over social media over the last

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Speaker 1: few years. If you guys have been living under a

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Speaker 1: rock somewhere, you may not know who Tom Schneider is.

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Speaker 1: So Tom runs the Stuck in the Rut YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: and social media pages. Stuck in the Rut. They're based

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Speaker 1: in Idaho. They have a trophy room that I would

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Speaker 1: say would rival about anybody's I've ever seen. They have

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Speaker 1: a very special family. They're a hunting family that has

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Speaker 1: been super successful across all species of animals in Idaho,

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Speaker 1: big game species, whether you're talking about white tails, mule deer,

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Speaker 1: hell moose, and then Alaska as well. They have family

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Speaker 1: members in Alaska that invite them up and then they've

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Speaker 1: taken all sorts of beautiful animals in Alaska's harshest conditions

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Speaker 1: and they've documented all this on YouTube videos. If you haven't,

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Speaker 1: if you've never seen their YouTube channel, you got to

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Speaker 1: check it out. Stuck in the Rut. I just want

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Speaker 1: to say welcome Tom, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I think people watch your videos and see what you

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Speaker 1: guys are doing, and they think, oh, man, all you

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Speaker 1: guys do is hunt all the time. You must be rich.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just have this unlimited money, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but I'm here to say it. You know,

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Speaker 1: his family, they're normal people with normal incomes. But what

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Speaker 1: they do is they work a lot and bank money

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Speaker 1: and bake time to go hunting. So to talk about

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Speaker 1: you know what, what's what's work life look for?

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Speaker 2: Well, you you've met my dad already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your dad is one of the coolest guys I've

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Speaker 1: ever met. I just love old guys like that because

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Speaker 1: he doesn't seem old, but he's you know, his his

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Speaker 1: years and that he's been on earth is he's been

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Speaker 1: here a long time. But he's he's got a younger soul.

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Speaker 1: And and then he's he's a character.

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's just a workaholic. And you know we I

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Speaker 2: think all of our family member, all the siblings, pretty

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Speaker 2: much picked that work ethic up from him. I was

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Speaker 2: telling you yesterday, not by choice, because that's just the

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Speaker 2: family we grew up in. Not throwing any family members

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Speaker 2: in a bus, but even my little we crack up

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Speaker 2: and make fun of it a little bit. My little

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Speaker 2: brother too, just at a young age, we just never

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Speaker 2: were like, man, he's he's the laziest one in the family.

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Speaker 2: He was never going to gain a work ethic. And man,

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Speaker 2: Surevor will outwork anybody out there. You know. It's just

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Speaker 2: really we just grew up in a really good family dynamic.

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Speaker 2: My dad's a workaholic. My mom works hard too. She

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Speaker 2: didn't start working until after you know, she was a

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Speaker 2: stay at home mom and as soon as we grew

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Speaker 2: full time as well. And yeah, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: dad just really got us into hunting at an early

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Speaker 2: age two. Again, you're he's hunted. You've hunted a lot

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Speaker 2: of the same hunting grounds he's hunted back in the eighties. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you know, and he got to see the Heyday

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Speaker 2: or not where he's talking about, Oh I saw that

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Speaker 2: four hundred inch bowl, And I'm like, okay, Dad, Yeah

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Speaker 2: for him, But then you're show me that some of

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Speaker 2: those same areas, like hey, that it can happen. The

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Speaker 2: genetics are there. But unfortunately, as we as we consistently

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Speaker 2: talk about why you're here in the first place, too,

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Speaker 2: is that we're pursuing wolves because wolves have I don't

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Speaker 2: but they've ruined their lifestyle and and hunting and finding

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Speaker 2: I think those memories stay embedded in our minds of like, man,

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Speaker 2: So I kind of got off topic there, but I

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Speaker 2: I still bounce between Travis and Dad. So Travis has

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you call it a passion or

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Speaker 2: an obsession. I love to hunt. I'm just passionate about it.

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Speaker 2: And with the work that we do. It allows us

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Speaker 2: Well I was telling you about that, Mike, like towards

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Speaker 2: all these taxony bills. I'm like, ah, that is a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. Well you kind of said you got

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Speaker 1: to talk about today. And I wanted to pick your

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Speaker 1: And sometimes, especially with being Idaho is so forested, it's

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I can I switch this off to a

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Speaker 2: question to you. Yeah, so you you spent two full

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Speaker 1: I think I've been here three days, three full.

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Speaker 2: Days, that's right. So yeah, evening and stuff. So we've

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Speaker 2: you've walked around with me quite a bit. You've seen

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Speaker 2: what the terrain's like. What would you say your average

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Speaker 1: I feel like if if I were elk hunting and

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Speaker 2: with especially with elk hunting. I think what really helped

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Speaker 2: You've talked right from the beginning, you've talked about the

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Speaker 2: one of these very interesting ecosystems where we have meal deer.

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Speaker 2: If you're at a certain elevation, you're a meal deer.

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Speaker 2: white tails, elk wolf, unfortunately black bear. We have grizzlies.

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Speaker 2: We were we were falling grizzly.

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Speaker 2: So mountain goats if you're if you just drive probably

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Speaker 2: even have to know elk. If you're just a hard hunter,

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, have fun. But if you don't know elk,

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Speaker 2: that's what you really need to do, right is to

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Speaker 1: Kill a post rut bowl.

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Speaker 2: They don't realize that there is some really good opportunity

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Speaker 2: so and then I know I'm just rattling on right now,

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Speaker 2: but it's just finding out whether they doing and why

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Speaker 2: You have to think of an animal. We talked to

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Speaker 2: they're really good. They have really good ice height. An

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Speaker 1: So let's say it's opening day, Yeah, and you're out

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Speaker 2: Great question, And I'm not going to answer this question directly,

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Speaker 2: There's those that are like really aggressive hunters. Those are regressive,

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Speaker 2: if I move on, I'm gonna bump them, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I just imagine those war movies were like charge, you know,

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Speaker 2: but charge out a bugle bowl. Yeah, And I learned

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Speaker 2: they're bugle and they're occupied. Just move in on them

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Speaker 2: When you you start hitting that bubble and getting really close,

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Speaker 2: although sometimes you don't feel like in heavy timber country

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you just expect to see a full boone olk.

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest bulls, not the biggest bulll My

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Speaker 2: This is the herd bull, you know. And so that's

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Speaker 2: what you're looking for, right, But again it's finding that

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Speaker 2: We've talked about where people don't know how to find

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Speaker 2: But I will say this that versus that those type

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Speaker 2: that doesn't happen every year. Sometimes they're not doing that

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Speaker 2: But if I had a bowl bugling, I'd say, depending

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Speaker 2: cry to my mouth. Elk are loud animals. If any

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Speaker 2: You're not trying to call them in. You're just trying

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna boil that down a little bit. So

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get there. I'm gonna move quickly. I'm

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Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not Elmer Fudd hunting. Like, I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you the Elmer Thud hunting does happen

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Speaker 2: right when you get in that bubble. Right you're in

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Speaker 2: You can smell them sometimes just melling them is enough,

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Speaker 2: Like you can sometimes smell before then you slow the

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Speaker 2: They don't pack binos. They don't. There's like, why do

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Speaker 2: I can see a big I can see a lot more. Right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the same color of an elk.

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Speaker 2: The same color of an elk. So, like I said,

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Speaker 2: You're looking for an eyeball. You're looking for something out

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Speaker 1: A nose, a nose, that shiny nose, or a flick

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I've what I've seen was steam. So I've had that.

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Speaker 2: there's it has antlers. You see part of a beam.

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Speaker 2: And It's the toughest thing about this type of hunting

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Speaker 2: I've already identified that it's a shoot like you know

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's It could be a rag bull,

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Speaker 2: has big fronts, I'm like, oh, that's a shooter bowl.

429
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: I'd chew and I'm like, oh, well it's a bowl,

430
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: you know, I'm happy with it, but I could have

431
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: swore it was bigger. Right, You know, you take those

432
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: quick shots because by that time, you know you expect it, oh,

433
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: wait for it to turn its head. By tims turn

434
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: its head. It's on the run. Yeah, and so then

435
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 2: you you just have to make a quick shot on that.

436
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 2: But I would rather shoot it while it's standing still.

437
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: Right.

438
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, like we were talking about delmer thud thing

439
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 2: it's using. You know, it's you don't want to waste

440
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: your time in that long distance. Like, yeah, let's say

441
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 2: you heard that bowl beagle in three or four hundred

442
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: yards away, You're gonna waste her a lot of time

443
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 2: taking a couple of steps looking around right, charge in there,

444
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: getting close, then stop and start really slowing down on

445
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: your walking again. Sticks popping is not going to lun

446
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: them that much, right, Like they're they're ilk, they're loud animals.

447
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you give an occasional cow call, we're

448
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: not saying blow your caw call the whole way there,

449
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: You're not just like if you make a loud stick break,

450
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: maybe one cow call, maybe two the worst ones.

451
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: The worst thing to do is to giveaway or the cation, right, Yeah,

452
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: so you I mean, but at the same time, you

453
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: don't want to alarm them either. So yeah, like I said,

454
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: you want to cover your sound up. But at the

455
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: same time, if you cow call all the way in,

456
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: what you end up doing is you have a bunch

457
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: of eyes waiting for you to come in, right exactly.

458
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: They hear you coming like, yeah, you're hey, who's this

459
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: out coming? This?

460
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 2: They're making a scene. Yeah, And so you don't want

461
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: to make a scene.

462
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to be out.

463
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: You're just like you just want to be part of

464
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: the hurt getting close. And then when you're really close

465
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: to that, you do a couple of cow calls. You

466
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 2: already got cows all over the woods, right, and that

467
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: herd bowl, especially in the timber. He can't see all

468
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 2: his cows, So to him, he doesn't know any different.

469
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: He don't He don't have a number either. He has

470
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: doesn't say, well, I have six cows and I see

471
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: six right here.

472
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has an idea, is like I think they're

473
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 2: out here, yeah, exactlymore. Now, the other thing we were

474
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: talking about though, too, is like let's say this is

475
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: the only time it'd be different. Well, let's say that

476
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: scenario is we hear a bowl beagling has crossed the canyon,

477
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: but there's a clear cut nearby, and I sound it

478
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: almost sounds like he's going to come out of that cut.

479
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: I might just sit there and wait, or above tree line.

480
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm above tree line and I'm seeing the little

481
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: patches where i can shoot from. I feel very comfortable

482
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: shooting long range. In fact, sometimes I feel like my

483
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: shots are better at long range because you have the

484
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: time to make a proper shot. Those close strange shots

485
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: can sometimes be rushed and sometimes takes more than one bullet.

486
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: I'm going to just kind of responding to haters that

487
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: have never hunted Timmer country. Some people are like, oh,

488
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: you should only shoot an animal with one bullet. I

489
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: think that's actually in the opposite like and somewhat disrespectful,

490
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: because no matter how good of a shot you think

491
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: you are, you wound. You may wound a bowl elk.

492
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: How many guys do you know have shot an elk

493
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: and they had a second chance on shooting it, but're like, no,

494
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: that first shot was good, and they track a bloodshel

495
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: for miles they had a chance to put that bowl down.

496
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 2: They had a second opportunity, and they didn't take it.

497
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: For me, it's like some people are like, oh, we

498
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 2: don't want to waste meat. It's like I've put, you know,

499
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: in some scenarios, I've put fortified bullets in a bowl

500
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: elk and I've wasted probably a quarter pound of meat.

501
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: If you're shooting lungs, there's not meat, there's not much there. Right,

502
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: You're fine, just put you want to anchor them down

503
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: and it could be all lung shots, right, you know

504
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: what I mean. Right, but you want to make sure

505
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: you anchor that bowl down.

506
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've always said, you know, if the bowl is

507
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: still standing or moving, keep shooting, Yeah, till they fall,

508
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: and then as you approach, be ready to shoot again.

509
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: Exactly.

510
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on something real quick for you.

511
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: Talked about using your binoculars to scan instead of your scope,

512
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: and I think that's really smart and it's really safe,

513
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: especially if if you're not familiar with how the difference

514
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: between a real elk bugle and maybe a hunter's bugle.

515
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: So it's super important to make sure you're being safe

516
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: by using yourars. I've had people scope me before I'll.

517
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: Be it's the scariest thing.

518
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: It's a scarce thing. I'll look up and I see

519
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: a dude up on the ridge and he's pointing his

520
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: rifle at me, and I immediately hit the dirt. I mean,

521
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: you scare the crap out of people when you do that.

522
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: But I knows. I mean, you can buy binoculars for

523
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: them a hundred bucks to two thousand dollars, right, there's

524
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: a binocular for everyone, everyone's price range, get them, use them,

525
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: be safe, don't scare the crap out of people, or

526
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: maybe even take a shot and shoot a person. You know,

527
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: be aware of what you're shooting.

528
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: You have to know your target. Another thing that bothers

529
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: me to know when is when people's like and it's

530
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: a lot with wolves more than anything is people are

531
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: a little bit more trigger happy with wolves. Right, So

532
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: you hear wolves, how and you see the brush moving,

533
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: people want to just pull the trigger.

534
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

535
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: I've had guys say I just blaze the brush just

536
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: started shooting. Now I'm just like, well are you doing?

537
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

538
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 2: Like, what if that was me trying to hold on

539
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: in a wolf pack?

540
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: Like that?

541
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: Is stupid? Always know your target, but it doesn't take,

542
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: like I said, with ELK, doesn't take much. It could

543
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: be heavy timber, but you can already identify. You see

544
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 2: an eyeball, you see a nose, you see the you

545
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: see the rack. It's you may not see the entire

546
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: ELK image, but you've already identified what you're shooting at.

547
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: You already identify. Like I said, if it's Montana and

548
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: it's brow tyne only, don't just shoot a big yellow body.

549
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: You have to identify, Okay, I see brow tines on

550
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: the bowl. At least. I don't know if it's a

551
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: fie point. I don't know if it's a ten point,

552
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: I don't know it's if it has kickers like a

553
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: big red stack. I don't know what that is. But

554
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: I've at least identified that it's the legal ELK and

555
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: I could shoot it. There's no reason you should be

556
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: shooting at things you can't see and then going back

557
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: to the long range, I feel a lot more than

558
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: this is Again, this is so controversial, and I don't

559
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: know why I feel more comfortable taking a long range

560
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: shot at six hundred yards than taking a close up shot.

561
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: I feel like my shots are a lot more. There

562
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: are a lot more thought through. I'm a lot more stable.

563
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: I have time to calm my heart down. I can

564
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: make a very very good shot at six hundred yards.

565
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: My odds and killing a bull at six hundred yards

566
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: comfortably with one shot are much higher than a close

567
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: up shot. But you just can't help it when you're

568
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: in tavy timber country, right, You like you have to

569
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: take those shots. Some guys are better at others and

570
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: taking those quick rush shots. I give credit to my

571
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: big brother Travis. He can I've told you some of

572
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: his shots that I've watched. I'm just like, wow, that

573
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: was pretty impressive. But you know we've I think we've

574
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: all had misses too, right, right, you kill you hunt

575
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: enough animals, eventually a miss happens. Sure, But hunting timber

576
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: country is a challenging himself. But people are really intimidated

577
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: by it and avoid it. And but if you learn

578
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: how to do it, you can you can get away

579
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: from a lot of people. In fact, there's still areas

580
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: I hunt to this day where I'm the only boot

581
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: tracks in the mountain and this is public land. Do

582
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: your cell ones?

583
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right?

584
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: And just people are intimidated by even the grizzly bears. Right,

585
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: how many people that I know are like, I'm not

586
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: hunting that there's grizzly bears in there, especially if you're

587
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: hunting that those areas where you have all this close

588
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: range shot. Everybody's afraid of bump in a grizzly. Just

589
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: get good life insurance, you know, for your life.

590
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: Set your family up so they won't struggle with.

591
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: Exactly because we're all going to die someday. I don't

592
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: you know, there's no reason that we're Like I used

593
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 2: to really worry about hunting Grizzly country, you know, you

594
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: were you were kind of talking about like are you

595
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: kind of worried about para con. I'm like, huh, I

596
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: got good life in Turails.

597
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: It'll be fine.

598
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: He'll be okay. But I've yet to I mean, our

599
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: knock on wood. I'm the only family member that well,

600
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: me and my mom both, I guess. But my mom

601
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: doesn't spend a lot of time hunting. But I myself,

602
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 2: I am the only familymembo that hasn't been charged by

603
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: grizzly So I hope to keep that record.

604
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a game of odds.

605
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: That's a game of odds.

606
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: I think as many times you're out there, it's eventually

607
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: gonna happen.

608
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I will say this. The first time Travis ever

609
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: got charged by a grizzly, it was an inland grizzy

610
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: in Alaska. He came home and he took every single

611
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: sling off our guns. You probably notice that I don't

612
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: have a single sling on a gun. Yeah, Trev took

613
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: all those things off the guns. He said, you don't

614
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: want to. He's like, if I had a sling on

615
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: my gun and goes on my shoulder, I'd be dead.

616
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

617
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: So you did that to every single gun.

618
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

619
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes when I can try to hike

620
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: to the meal your elevation, my gun is my pack.

621
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: But you want to be packing heat somewhere. If it's

622
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: a little pistol or something, you got to have protection.

623
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: Right in Canada, unfortunately they don't allow pistols, so everybody

624
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 2: has to pack pepper spray. It's not my recommendation. If

625
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: you got a pistol, it's nice, but it's something right.

626
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: Pepper spray is another thing. But again, I know sometimes

627
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: I get off tangent. But with the going back to

628
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: long range shooting, I do prefer it if I have

629
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: a chance and if I see it, if I see

630
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: the scenario, I'm like, hey, I think I can get

631
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: this bull out in and opening, I'm gonna shoot. But

632
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: if not, I'm just going to charge right in right

633
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: vel Awesome.

634
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: I love that. Now I'm going to talk a little

635
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: bit more about this long range shooting. To do this

636
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: accurately and to do it consistently, and to do it ethically.

637
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: You're not just taking your rifle with just your normal

638
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: everyday rifle and be like, well, I think he's about

639
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: six hundred yard. Yeah, I got my range for six

640
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: hundred yards. I'm gonna aim three feet over he's back,

641
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: because you know, I kind of looked at the ballistic

642
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: chart one time, and I think that should drop that

643
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: bullet right into where I need to aim. You're not

644
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: doing that, Like, how how does one like make those

645
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: ethical and accurate long range shots?

646
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: It really and I'm not trying to because the one

647
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: thing my dad always says, you can't buy yourself an ELK,

648
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: but to an extent, you've got to have the proper

649
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: equipment right right, you got to pay for it. You're

650
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: not going to cheap out on a long range gun,

651
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: right you've got to have to have a really good

652
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: long range rifle. For us, we've originally started with gun Works,

653
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 2: and gun Works has taught us a lot about long

654
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: range shooting. You know, before Travis started off with these

655
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: charts where he'd print off the ballistics and he'd have

656
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 2: the radicals inside the scope, which are just if anyone

657
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: doesn't know what a radical is, it's the hash marks

658
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: inside the scope. Lot people don't know what that's for

659
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: those are trying to explain this the best way possible,

660
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: maybe you can even explain it better. The hash marks

661
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: in the scope. It really depends, but most of those

662
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: are measured in MA, which is minutes of angle. And

663
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: what minutes of angle is it's a minute, and it

664
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: depends how much you doe. So like let's say i

665
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: dial my scope into where it's zeroed. I'm hitting the

666
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: bullseye at one hundred yards. One hundred yards one one

667
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: hash mark should be one minute, and then beyond that

668
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: the range it's different, correct, and so you have to

669
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a learning curve. But after

670
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: you learn these things, then you know, okay, with this

671
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: animal is at six hundred yards, I need to be

672
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: shooting for this, but there's a lot of obstacles and

673
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: now you know before back in the day when you

674
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: need those charts, there was a lot of mistakes that

675
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: would happen, for example the barometric pressure, which is another

676
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: thing I can get into, like for example, the temperature.

677
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: You know, there was a white This is when like

678
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: it's good with anything, like people getting the archy. Hunting

679
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: mistakes happen right there was a white tail buck. This

680
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: was the first year Travis was ever hunting. It was

681
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: negative thirteen degrees. Travis had this gun dialed in when

682
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: it was like probably forty degrees in October. So now

683
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: he has a buck it's negative thirteen. He's made the

684
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 2: shot multiple times. Monster whitetail about twenty five inches wide.

685
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: He shot right over its back. He didn't know why

686
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: at the time. That the temperature change is also has

687
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: a lot to do with it too. Gunworks has created

688
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: a system inside the rangefinder that does all the calculations

689
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: for you. Where really it I don't want to say

690
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: I'm a dummy, but it it takes a lot of

691
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: the homework out of out of your shooting practices. You

692
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: don't have to be a mathematician, you don't figure it out. Yeah,

693
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: let the range finder and the equipment do that for you.

694
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 2: I can put my mom on a on a rifle

695
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: and she can drop a white She did this, like

696
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: there's a nice white tail buck. And I had her

697
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: sit on the gun and she dropped it six hundred

698
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: yards And it was really the equipment. If I would

699
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: have given her a fixed scope that I picked up

700
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: the gun's story. Now, well, your range is pretty much

701
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: two hundred yards if that you know. So it really

702
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: does have to do with your equipment and what you're shooting.

703
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: And every time I start thinking that I know what

704
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 2: I'm doing with long range, I sit down with some

705
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: of the guys that run the gunworks operation and they

706
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: start talking about all the variables that could happen in

707
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: a shot. It's over my head, right it is. But

708
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: I'll say this that at long range shooting, usually if

709
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: I range the animal and I shoot, I'll never it

710
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: should never be above or below the animal the shot.

711
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: Usually the real obstacle is the wind.

712
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: Right.

713
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: The wind is really what makes it so tough to

714
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 2: make those shots At six hundred yards. The wind doesn't

715
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: do a whole lot, but when you start getting farther

716
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: and farther out there, then the wind has a lot

717
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: to do with your shots. So anyone that's getting a

718
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: long range or is his first time shooter, always be

719
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: aware of the wind. That's the biggest, biggest thing that's

720
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: going to mess you up on long range. If you have,

721
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: like I said, the same system like we have, or

722
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: you got a built in radical, or you have the

723
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 2: turrets on top where you dial it the rangefinder, you

724
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: plug in the system pretty much the profile of your

725
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: gun in there. So you know. So gunworks they had

726
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: a they a had the BR four monocular that they had,

727
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: but now they just created a binocular the Revic binos,

728
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: and now you can plug in the system in there too,

729
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: which is really nice. So now rather than carrying a

730
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: monocular and a pair of binos, now I just have

731
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: a pair of binos that does all the homework for me.

732
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: So now I got my binos that I can timber

733
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: pound with and pick apart the terrain. Or if I

734
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: have a long range shot, I ranged the binoculars that

735
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: tells me exactly what the dial from my MA and

736
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: you just dial and shoot. But you also have to

737
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: be aware of your wind.

738
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: Long range shooters that are comfortable accurate with their shots.

739
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: That's they don't just buy a gun by them loaded

740
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: up and head to the woods when you know, they

741
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: spend some time behind the gun, right, You have to

742
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: undertand like you're talking about the wind, learning how to

743
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: cope with wind conditions, and no one if it's too

744
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: there's too much wind or not, you know, or if

745
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: it's good and you can send it, or it's like, okay,

746
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of wind and I can compensate.

747
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: You don't learn that just by not practicing. You have

748
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: to practice with your gun. You have to spend some

749
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: time understanding how that wind affects it. You know, whether

750
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: let's say the wind's blowing on your side of the

751
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: ridge this way, it could be blowing a different opposite

752
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: way over there, you know, and identifying wind currents and

753
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: all that. I mean, we could go down a rabbit

754
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: hole for a couple hours on just wind in itself.

755
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying. The point I'm trying to make

756
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: is you have to spend that time with your gun

757
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: to understand it and become a proficient shooter and then

758
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: understanding how to execute a perfect shot. I could get

759
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: on a rifle and shoot at a at a distant target,

760
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: and I could probably hit okay, by somebody who is

761
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: who has been practicing and using the right techniques and

762
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: body postures to shoot, is going to outshoot me in

763
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: it every day because they execute the shot so much differently.

764
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to it. It's not just holding

765
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: the gun up and looking through a crosshairs and squeezing

766
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: the trigger off. There's a lot of best practices while

767
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: doing that to execute that shot as perfectly as possible

768
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: so you get those those really good hits at distance.

769
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, and.

770
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to compare it to our tree hunt to

771
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: just because I do. We do a lot of archery hunt.

772
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: People see a long range shot, it's like, oh, you

773
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: should try to do with the bow. Well, watch our videos.

774
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: We do a lot of archery hunting. The one thing

775
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: I'll say with archery, it's the same thing. If all

776
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: you do you sit at a target and you sit

777
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: in your bow and you take it to the woods.

778
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't tell you. You know, I know

779
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: people that seem to like wound a lot of animals

780
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: at the bone and narrow and they're just not practicing

781
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: right that all they're doing is sit at a target,

782
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: they dial their bone and it's like, oh, I got

783
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: my twenty thirty forty fifty dial, Okay, I'm good for

784
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: hunt season. Yeah, you haven't practiced shooting. No, Like you're

785
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: just dialed your bow in and then you hang it

786
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: on the shelf and you wipe the dust offf and

787
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: ready to go hunt. Same thing with the rifle. I

788
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: feel like a lot of people they zeroed it in

789
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: at the target range and then they put it in

790
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: the gun, saye like, all right, when hunt season comes,

791
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go shoot. I can't. I mean, it cracks

792
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: me up. And again I'm not trying to make fun

793
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: of people, but I'll see I'll drive down the mountain,

794
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: I'll see some guy shooting beer cans with his rifle.

795
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: Just make sure his gun is on. He shooting twenty

796
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: five yards and then he's about ready to go l

797
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: cut and it's like like this guy's going to be

798
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: in the woods with me. You know, like go to

799
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: a big grun range and practice, you know, get your

800
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: hundred yards dialed or if you want it at two

801
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: hundred yards whatever you prefer, get it dialed in, zero

802
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: it in and then go from there you have to practice.

803
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: You know, the guys that I see that actually do

804
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: really good with archery, or the guys that attend these

805
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: archery shoots, right, I think it really does challenge you.

806
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: I really love doing archery shoots because I go and

807
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Like it gives me confidence. I'm

808
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: shooting downhills, I'm shooting uphills. It's good to practice that

809
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: if you have a range where you can practice. Okay,

810
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: because downhill shots are different than shooting uphill. Practice all

811
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: those angles. Practicef you're doing long range practice, shooting in

812
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: the wind, don't shoot like I'm only going to shoot

813
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: on a calm day and then all of a sudden

814
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: you have a fifteen million hour wind and then you

815
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: know what I mean. If for me, when I make

816
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: a shot, I have to be comfortable shooting. There is

817
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: no and I think everybody tries to ReadWrite what ethics are? Right, right,

818
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, this is what ethics are. The ethic is

819
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 2: if it's over this range, you should not shoot. That

820
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: is not There's no written rule in what's ethical and

821
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: what's not and how far are you shooting the animal?

822
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: Right?

823
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: What's ethical is where you feel comfortable shooting. How far

824
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: do you feel comfortable shooting? Some some people may only feel

825
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: comfortable shooting forty yards with a bow. Some guys they

826
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: can droll bulls at eighty yards all day long. Now,

827
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: if they have a bull elk that's eighty yards, I'm

828
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: not gonna I'm not going to be upset if I

829
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: see them take a shot like that, because I know

830
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: they're comfortable at doing it right. It's the same with

831
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: the rifle, Like if there's guys that suck at shooting

832
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: over five hundred yards, they shouldn't be shooting that range. No, absolutely,

833
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: But if you're if these are guys that are at

834
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: the range and they're shooting thousand yards all day long,

835
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: and then they have an animal at seven fifty eight

836
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: hundred yards, by all means take the shot right you

837
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: feel comfortable shooting, do it. There's very very few times

838
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: in my life that I've taken a thousand yard shot

839
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: on an elk. Actually only one time, and I wasn't

840
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: planning on it. It was either it was a it

841
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: was a scenario thing. It's like, okay, like should I

842
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: try to get close to the bull or should I

843
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: shoot from here?

844
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: You know?

845
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: And Travis and I were just kind of talking with

846
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: amongst each other, like, just take a rest and see

847
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: how you feel. I rested on the ground. If I

848
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: didn't feel comfortable, I wasn't going to take the shot.

849
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: The bull was raking a tree. He was completely occupied.

850
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: I rested, and I told Travis, I'm like, I am

851
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: so still like I am rock solid. So Trav like, well,

852
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: if you feel comfortable, there is no wind at all

853
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: that's going to disturb the bullet. You know, we probably

854
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: I said that range a lot. You should take the shot.

855
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: This bull's breaking a tree. He's not going to walk

856
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: out of the screen. So the other step I'd like

857
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: to do, too, is you don't want to do this

858
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: with bow. You never want to drive fire bow, but

859
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: it is okay to drive fire a rifle, right, So

860
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 2: take the bullet out, Just shoot it a couple times.

861
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: Try and make to snap two empty dry fire shots.

862
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of dry fire shots until you feel comfortable.

863
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: I've done this with friends that have never shot a

864
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: long range before, where they're shooting like or like, I'll

865
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: tell you about my friend who had a mountain goat tag.

866
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: I was telling you about that. He was the last

867
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: mountain goat tag of this area. Never show a long

868
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: range gun. Before we get to the mountain go at

869
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: four hundred yards, I said, hey, how do you feel

870
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: that shooting? He's like, I'm actually a sucky shot. And

871
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, at first, my heart's thinking like oh no,

872
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: oh no, this is gonna be bad. But four hundred

873
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: yards is a cheap is a easy shot with this

874
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: gun that I had. So I'm like, all right, let's

875
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: do some practice trigger pulls. So we took the bullets out,

876
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: and the goat's not going anywhere. He's on the hill side,

877
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: you know. So I'm like, all right, pull the trigger.

878
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: See how you feel he shoots? You know, he shoots,

879
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: he it clicks right, no bullet in there. I was like, okay,

880
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: how do you feel? He said. I closed my eyes.

881
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: I was like, do it again. He did it again. Click.

882
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: It's like, how that feel better? Like, do it again.

883
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: We did it like five or six times. By the

884
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: sixth time, I was like, how do you feel? Like

885
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: that goat would have been dead? I was like, pens

886
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: thrown around, thrown around. He drilled that goat. So sometimes

887
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: it calms the nerves too. Yeah, whatever it takes to

888
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,479
Speaker 2: calm the nerves you have. What's great with long range

889
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: you have the time. When I edit a video, I

890
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: try to make it entertaining. But if if you're actually

891
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: to watch the whole video, we're sitting there twenty to

892
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: thirty minutes on an animal to where it stands at

893
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: the perfect time, is not going to walk out because

894
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: that bullet takes time to get to the animal. The

895
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: animals walking and you're shooting a long range, it can

896
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: you can go from being a perfect shot to a wound.

897
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: Right.

898
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: You want to find where the animals occupied. Is it eating?

899
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 2: Is it laying down something that like I said, the

900
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: bullouk for me it was raking a tree. He was

901
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: raking a tree, completely occupied. I sent it shot it

902
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: drilled him right behind the shoulder. So something that occupies

903
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: him is another thing. You take your time. You have

904
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: all the time in the world. If it's a rushot,

905
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: if it's an animal walking out of a clearing and

906
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: it's eight hundred yards, you just don't shoot right. It's time.

907
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: You're going to have to move in close to get

908
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: a shot on him. So there's a lot of obstacles

909
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: with long range shooting, but it's it's We've talked about

910
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: this before. It takes practice and it takes time. The

911
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: one thing I really like with gun Works is a

912
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: simplify it for the average person in the sense of,

913
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: like they do the reloads for you too. You know,

914
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: someone who works a lot, Sometimes a person doesn't have

915
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 2: time to do reloads. And what reloads are is you're

916
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: pretty much you're assembling for someone who's never done it

917
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: or know what that is. You're assembling the brass, the gunpowder,

918
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: and the bullet yourself, right. And there's a lot.

919
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: Of technique and technical work there too to be identified

920
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and executed to have a really good round to shoot.

921
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: It is, and I'll be honest and saying that you'll

922
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: always get a more accurate load with a reload than

923
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: any other way. However, there is some good factory loads

924
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: out there. There is some and gun Works they've kind

925
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: of perfected in their own way where they have found

926
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: that if they do it this way with this caliber,

927
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: it works well, and so they can they can produce

928
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: it to where they can get it to you and

929
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: you don't have to do those reloads. And so I

930
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: have a Gunworks round where I didn't have to reload

931
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: those and I'm tinging thousand yard plates all day right

932
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: with that? And and so if you don't have the time,

933
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: like I said, some people just work. They don't have

934
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: the time to sit there and take a full day

935
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: off to try to figure out what load your gun takes.

936
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: Well that's another option for you is to go through them.

937
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: And again, I'm not trying to be like an you know,

938
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: like by gun Works, but I'm trying to be a commercial.

939
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be a commercial. I'm just saying

940
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: that you use, that's what I use. And I've we've

941
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: been using gun Works on and off for years, you know.

942
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: So we went with Gunworks originally and then we tried

943
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: some other stuff and we came back the gun Works

944
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: just because we know how they work, and we they're

945
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: very innovative. We really like what they do. And and

946
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: you what did you think of the gun? So you

947
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: you for a couple of days we've I've had you.

948
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: You're holding a couple of different my guns, and you

949
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 2: held the seventh psalm last night from gun Works. What

950
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: was your opinion on that?

951
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: Guy? Well, we're walking along, You're like, what do you

952
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: think of that gun? I said, this is my new

953
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: favorite gun, Like, I need one.

954
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: Of these things. What was What was it that you

955
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: liked about that sound?

956
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: It's compact, it's light. I don't like a big, long,

957
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: heavy rifle. A rifle with a barrel that's twenty eight

958
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: inches long, thirty inches long, that's that's just it's hard

959
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: to maneuver, especially in the kind of country I hunt,

960
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: and in the kind of country you hunt, you know,

961
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: big timber. It's just hard to pack around a big,

962
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: heavy gun through the woods constantly. This thing was light.

963
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: It pointed really easily and quickly, you know, when you

964
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: shoulder it. I was on target right away. And then

965
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: if you're packing a gun without a sling all day long,

966
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: your arms get fatigue.

967
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine a fifteen pound gun in your arms.

968
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh no way, how did just said?

969
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 2: Tom?

970
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: No, I'll use my knife. Yeah, I'm gonna kill this

971
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: ball with a knife. I'm not going to pack that gun. Yeah.

972
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: So I loved it. It was a really really lightweight,

973
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: compact gun.

974
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: So, and yes, I will agree in the sense that, like,

975
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, heavier guns, longer barrels, it seems to they

976
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: say more accuracy. But you know you're asking me, like, well,

977
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: how far is this gun get out to. You know,

978
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: it's a light gun. It's an eighteen inch barrel. I'm like,

979
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: I was. I smoked my meaee at eighty last year,

980
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: one shot. Then my friend I gave him the gun.

981
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: It was like I think it was either eight forty

982
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: eight sixty and he shot his mealy with it. Yeah,

983
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's a trading accurate gun. And

984
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: that thing is just it's nothing. It feels like a

985
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: toy gun.

986
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel like a toy gun.

987
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: It's yeah, sup lightly And I got it built like

988
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: that for purpose, just for the sense of like, you know,

989
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: I hunt in the best both worlds of hunting, the

990
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: timber country and the open country. That was probably one

991
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: of my you know, originally when we first got in

992
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: the long range, we were packing those heavy guns around

993
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: in the timber. Yeah, and then you have this big

994
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: scope where it's like five and a half power by

995
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: you know, twenty two or twenty three power that you're

996
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: in those five and a half power and you know,

997
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: when you see that elk in the timber and it's

998
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: point blank, you pull up and you're like you're seeing

999
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: hair and you're like got to try to find the

1000
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: kill zone. But I like, you know, for me, in

1001
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: scope choice, if you're so, if you're in the market

1002
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: of buying a scope, it's like, Okay, what can I

1003
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: buy for the best of both worlds? I like a

1004
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: scope that at least three power three power, I can

1005
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: shoot really good at that close range. I like three power,

1006
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: and then I try to get the farthest power possible

1007
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: that Leopold I have. It's a it's a three. It's

1008
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: a three by eighteen.

1009
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1010
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you shoot Leopold too, right, yep? Yeah, And

1011
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: what's your opinion on that?

1012
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same of the same thoughts, especially for

1013
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: new shooters if you haven't shot rifles a lot. In

1014
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: in heavy timber conditions or even sometimes open open countries,

1015
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: like a new hunter, sometimes it's really hard to acquire

1016
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: the target, right, So having that three power, you're not

1017
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: looking at hair right, you're look you you look through

1018
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: the site picture and it's like, okay, I see you know,

1019
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: pretty wide view. Oh there's a there's a deer. Okay,

1020
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: I see it. Now it's easier to acquire your target.

1021
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: I guess they should say a little easier with that

1022
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: lower power, especially in big timber exactly.

1023
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: And the also too you want to do is you

1024
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 2: always even if that long range and you're zoomed up.

1025
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing this out there. Anytime you make a shot,

1026
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: zoom back down really quick, because what happens is you

1027
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: shoot an animal. Like I said, you zoomed up. It's

1028
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 2: great because you can see detail. The downside of being

1029
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: zoomed up, it's harder to find your target. Right, the

1030
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: more zoomed up you're, the harder to find your target.

1031
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: So people shoot then they're like they need to make

1032
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: another shots, Like I can't find the animal as soon

1033
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 2: as we shoot. The first thing we try to do

1034
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: is they get back on the animals you don't see

1035
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: it zoomed down, find them again. And if you have

1036
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: time to zoom up due if not ranging, make a

1037
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: shot zoomed down. If you're zoo the farther you zoom down,

1038
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 2: the quicker is to find the target.

1039
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

1040
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: The end of story.

1041
00:52:59,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: Yep.

1042
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: So that's just happy. You have to get yourself into

1043
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: these habits can be done. You could train yourself with

1044
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 2: these habits now before you end up in the woods.

1045
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: When you have a scenario, you have a bowl of

1046
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: a lifetime. You mess up and you're like, oh, shoot,

1047
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: I could have would I should have? Could have? You know,

1048
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: you should have figured that you should have done all

1049
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: that practicing before you ended up in the woods. Have

1050
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: your equipment so again. And I also brought up a

1051
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: story yesterday about a really good friend of mine I

1052
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: went to high school with, and I saw his success

1053
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: change from when he was in high school to now

1054
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: now time. What's different now because before you were struggling

1055
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: with killing stuff, Now you're you're whacking and stacking. What

1056
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 2: is it you doing now that you weren't before? He says, Tom,

1057
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 2: I'm put putting in the time. And I'm like, that's

1058
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: really like the biggest foundation for hunters is putting in

1059
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: the time. You need to put in not just the

1060
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 2: time in hunting your animals, but the time and knowing

1061
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: your equipment and shooting it. I said, I know really

1062
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: good hunters, So it's fice. It goes both ways. I

1063
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: know guys that are really skilled shots, but they suck

1064
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: at hunting. I know guys that are really good at

1065
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: finding animals, but they suck at shooting. Yeah, and you

1066
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta prefect both. That's what's going to make

1067
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: you the ultimate killer.

1068
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: There's no there's no cheating it. There's no short cuts. Yeah,

1069
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: I mean I think there's some shortcuts, as in you

1070
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: can learn from other people and maybe be mentored or

1071
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: take some courses, learn these things and then but you

1072
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: have to put them in practice. You can't just be like, oh, yeah,

1073
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: they told me this and then think you're going to

1074
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: go out and accomplish it. I mean, you still have

1075
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: to put put in the time. You have to put

1076
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: in the time scouting, you have to put in the

1077
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: time hiking, you have to put the time shooting. And

1078
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: I love this part. You were talking earlier about shooting

1079
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: your bow in your backyard, and this relates exactly with

1080
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: with rifles too. Everyone is a pro and they're about

1081
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: own backyard. Everyone probably shoots really good at the range

1082
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: right that you have a nice solid rest, you can

1083
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: calm yourself, you can shoot very accurately. It's like, man,

1084
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: my gun is awesome. Man at one hundred yards or

1085
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: two hundred ards wherever, however far the range is, it's

1086
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: a it's a set distance, it's never changing. It's a

1087
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: very comfortable place to shoot. Now you go to total

1088
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: archery challenge with your bow in your backyard. Oh, I

1089
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: drill hundred yards targets all day. You go to the

1090
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: Total Archery Challenge, it is a whole different world. So

1091
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: you have to really temper your expectations of what you're

1092
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: what you think your your maximum shot distance is, whether

1093
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: it's archery or rifle. So when you get to and

1094
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: you put yourself in these situations like, oh yeah, I

1095
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: can hit I can hit an elk at of eighty

1096
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: yards because I do a hundred in my backyard. Well,

1097
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: you go to the total Total Archery Challenge and you

1098
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: have to shoot at a thirteen degree downhill angle and

1099
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your arrow don't even hit the

1100
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: elk or it hits it in the butt. Right, hold

1101
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: on from everything from shot execution to maybe you don't

1102
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: have your third access dialed on your site right same

1103
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: with rifle, Like I know, I've got good friends that

1104
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: do a lot of long range shooting. Once they got there, Okay,

1105
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm on paper, everything's dial and my gun is grouping.

1106
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: I know it's accurate. Now. They don't sit there at

1107
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: the range and just pound targets at the range all

1108
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: the time. What they do is they go out in

1109
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: the field and they go to areas it would be

1110
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: similar to where they're hunting, and they're starting to make

1111
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: those same shots that would be similar to what you

1112
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: would make in real world conditions. They find a big

1113
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: rock bluff, you know, maybe they're taking a very vertical

1114
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: shot up or down a long distance. It's windy, it's

1115
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: a big canyon, there's different wind currents from one side

1116
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: to the other. Now they're testing. They think they know

1117
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: about shooting long distance, and it's very surprising. It's like, wow,

1118
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: I can hit really good at the range, but I

1119
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: need to make I need to do some work out

1120
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: here in the field. So you understand how to hold

1121
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: for wind, you know, or dial for win, and you

1122
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: start understanding your limitations. You start understanding, you know, your

1123
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: rifles performance, how just laying differently, squeezing differently, holding the

1124
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: gun differently affects your shot so dramatic compared to sitting

1125
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: on a bench.

1126
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: Exactly. And you've brought something up really important too. So

1127
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: when we anytime, so for example, we got a hunt

1128
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: that come you know, if we were hunting Wyoming, that

1129
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: train is so different. You're in higher elevation, different altitude,

1130
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: different barometic pressure, everything there's a lot of things that

1131
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: go into by going into a new area. Right, we

1132
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: like to pop a rock before the hunt starts over there.

1133
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: We're like, we're in a new area. Let's see how

1134
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: we're shooting. Yeah, see if the gun's on. If it's not,

1135
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: then we have to figure something mouse out before the

1136
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: season starts. We like to go into a hunt a

1137
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: couple of days early. Now, are we doing it in

1138
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: area we're gonna hunt? No? Are doing anrew where other

1139
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: people are camp. No, We're really careful where we do

1140
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: that at. And we want to make sure that. We

1141
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: just want to make sure that when we hunt the animal,

1142
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: want to hit it now. Can mistake still happen? Absolutely?

1143
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: And the one thing that I want to bring up

1144
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: to is, let's say you do wound an animal and

1145
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: you can't find it. Don't let that and don't let

1146
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: that each you apart to where you put your gun

1147
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: in the safe and you never want to touch it again.

1148
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: I've seen the same thing with bow hunters. Some guys

1149
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: like they wound an animal and they can't find it.

1150
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: They did the scourage, they feel really bad about the

1151
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: yelk and they hang up their bone. They said, I'm

1152
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: never going to go our chan again. That just felt

1153
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: too bad to wound an animal. You know, do I

1154
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: feel bad when that happens. Absolutely, I get sick to

1155
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: my staf But I think important. It's the most important

1156
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: thing is to get back on the horse and just

1157
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: you should just learn from that. Like, Okay, that sucked.

1158
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that again. What can I

1159
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: do to make myself a better shot?

1160
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: What went wrong?

1161
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 2: Well?

1162
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: How do I fix it?

1163
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? How do I fix that? And then move forward?

1164
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: That's what makes a good hunter. You can look at it.

1165
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: I don't care how good of a shot you are.

1166
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: Look at every hunter that you know. It could be

1167
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: on Instagram, it could be YouTubers. Everybody at one point

1168
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: makes mistakes. I will laugh in someone's face if they

1169
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: said they killed twenty bullok and they've never wounded an elk,

1170
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: I will laugh in their face because I know it's

1171
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: not true. Every person has made a mistake at one

1172
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: point in their life. And you know it's just the

1173
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: question is is how many? How many of those animals

1174
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: you killed were killed successfully? You know what I mean?

1175
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: Mistakes do happen. You just got to move forward and

1176
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: make sure it doesn't happen again. You always focus on that. Yeah,

1177
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: so and I'm all about that, all about just like

1178
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: being a better hunter. Yeah, And look, even I could

1179
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: this year if I feel like I'm the best shooter

1180
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: in the world, I don't hang up the gun because

1181
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: you can get out of practice pretty quick too. I've

1182
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: noticed that with archery hunt too. If I like skip

1183
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: a year, it's like, Okay, I've been shooting every day

1184
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: with my bow. I feel really good. And the next

1185
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,959
Speaker 2: year I'm like, oh, yeah, I know what I'm doing.

1186
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: Then you don't. I don't shoot my boat for a

1187
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: bird time. It could be four or six months, and

1188
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 2: I take it to the archery shoot. All of a sudden,

1189
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: I pick up bad habits. I'm like, why am I

1190
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: not hitting the targets. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like

1191
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm shooting my trigger rock, you know what I mean.

1192
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 2: And the one thing I noticed, and again I'm kind

1193
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: of getting off topic, but I was noticing something this spring.

1194
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I was a little out

1195
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: of practice. My bow got stolen last fall, and so

1196
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: then I went a few months without a bow. I

1197
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: got a brand new bow, got a new release. In

1198
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: this spring. I was doing an archery shoot. I was

1199
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: all over the place the first four targets, and I'm like,

1200
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: what am I doing wrong? All a sudden, I just

1201
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: started paying attention to my trigger pulling. I realized that

1202
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't my finger wasn't even on the trigger. By

1203
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: the time, I would be like this far off away

1204
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 2: from the trigger, like just like a quarter inch. And

1205
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: then I'd hit my trigger right when I felt like

1206
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: my creussers are.

1207
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: On, you're just punching it.

1208
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: Just I was punching it. And as soon as like, Okay,

1209
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: chill the freak out, Tom, keep your finger on that

1210
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: trigger and just pull slowly, you know, And then I

1211
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: started doing that and big change, Like my then I

1212
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: was hitting where I needed to, you know, on the

1213
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: targets throughout the course. I'm not a professional archer, but

1214
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: I can kill the target, you know what I mean.

1215
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: That's my goal is to kill the target. Right I'm

1216
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 2: not I'm not a ten X shooter, but I'm always

1217
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: trying to kill the target. That's kind of how I

1218
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: do that. But just going back to shooting, like just

1219
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 2: because you feel like you're a good shot now because

1220
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: you've been practicing, doesn't mean to hang up the gun.

1221
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: Just consistently shoot same thing. With long range, you can

1222
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: easily get out of practice rush shots. People just it's

1223
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 2: good to have a second guy. It's fine versa. Sometimes

1224
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: Travis is there with me and I'm like, I'm getting antsy.

1225
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: I want to shoot this this bowl elk and he's

1226
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 2: at eight hundred yards and I feel like he's getting away.

1227
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 2: Child's like, calm down, Calm down, you're too wiggly. I

1228
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: see you shaking. Calm down, you know, like like Adam

1229
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: on his sheet this this year or last fall. I

1230
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: was like, Adam, I see your heartbeat through your shirt,

1231
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 2: Like you need to calm down at him. So it's

1232
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: good to have extra people there too, to be there

1233
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 2: to help you out. Because long there's a lot that

1234
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: does go into long range shot and and so that's

1235
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 2: another like if you were to long range shoot, I

1236
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: feel more comfortable to taking farther shots if I had

1237
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: somebody next to me, right, Like, there's some shots I

1238
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: won't take. I'm like, if I had somebody next to me,

1239
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: i'd take it. But means I don't to spot my shot.

1240
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: I'm not going to risk the shot. I'll just getting closer.

1241
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: That makes sense, Yeah, absolutely well. I love it well man,

1242
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: Thanks Tom, I appreciate you coming on. We're hitting an

1243
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: hour here and we don't typically like to go any

1244
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: further than that. I feel like we could. I honestly

1245
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: feel like we could talk all day about what you have.

1246
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: But we've been hunting for three and a half days together,

1247
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: and we've talked NonStop, like two schoolgirls about elk hunting, this,

1248
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: elk cutting, that, mule deer hunting, wolf hunting. Like we've

1249
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: covered the gamut of every kind of hunting that you guys,

1250
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: you and your family have done, and we're still talking

1251
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: about new stuff today. Like we haven't talked about this

1252
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:29,959
Speaker 1: stuff much.

1253
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: Well, And I see you're passionate about oh cutting too,

1254
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: because it's like, you know, because you're running a Phillips

1255
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: game calls and stuff, and sometimes you think as somebody

1256
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 2: hunts an animals so much, it's like, ah, yeah, it's

1257
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 2: just another elk. But you're when I hear you talk

1258
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: about elk, it's it. I can see. It's your life

1259
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: and your blood, Like, yeah, that's all that's on your mind.

1260
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: You're just like you're telling me stories, just stories after

1261
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: story after story of all these elk experiences you have

1262
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: and some are big bulls and some some bulls are

1263
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: like average bulls. Yeah, but like some of those bulls

1264
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 2: like that you've killed that were average are sometimes, like

1265
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: I say, like I could tell like that was more

1266
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: of a memorable experience than some of the bigger bulls

1267
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 2: that you killed, Yeah, just because. And I think that's

1268
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: really neat to see your passion and elk hunting and

1269
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 2: and that you know, it's like it shows me that

1270
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: you really love what you do.

1271
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'd like to say the same thing about

1272
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: you too, is like your enthusiasm in which you talk

1273
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: about your stories and you tell all about all these

1274
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: different experiences you've had. And then I see your trophy room,

1275
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: which I don't know if you can hang another set

1276
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Speaker 1: of elkhorns or deer horns on the wall here, but

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Speaker 1: this isn't all of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: Then then this is your this is your dad's house

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Speaker 1: in the in in his in his downstairs trophy room.

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Speaker 1: Then he's got like a workshop area and the walls

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Speaker 1: are covered with antlers in there, and I know you

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Speaker 1: and your brothers all have antlers at your house's it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: And then when you you talk and you show me

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Speaker 1: to the places you hunt. Like you take one look

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Speaker 1: at this country and you immediately, in my mind says,

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Speaker 1: there's nobody that's going to kill anything here unless you

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Speaker 1: are one hundred percent committed and passionate about climbing up

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Speaker 1: through these nasty, thick forests, you know, up these steep

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Speaker 1: slopes to the higher elevation, or just you know, punching

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Speaker 1: through timber whatever. It takes a lot of dedication. And

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Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes people see success and they don't

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Speaker 1: understand the work that that goes behind that success. And

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Speaker 1: I and I and I and I know this firsthand,

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Speaker 1: but spending this time with you this week just really

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Speaker 1: reinforces that. It's like, I think you and your family

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Speaker 1: are incredible people. Besides just the hunting accomplishments, your family

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Speaker 1: is just amazing.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed so much, you know, spending my time here

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Speaker 1: visiting with them, and only got to see you know,

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Speaker 1: part of your family. I haven't even got to, you know,

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Speaker 1: spending time with your other brothers. Yeah, so I look

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Speaker 1: forward to that at some point too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, most everybody's working. I guess Travis

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Speaker 2: is sheep hunting right now. And yeah, and everybody's kind

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Speaker 2: of like gone doing other things right now, but trying

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Speaker 2: to get ready for Archie Elk season.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, this this episode

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Speaker 1: I kind of messed up, but I didn't read any

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Speaker 1: any listener questions. Okay, but I'm just gonna throw this

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Speaker 1: out there for for some of the next episodes. If

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Speaker 1: you guys have any questions you want to hear me

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Speaker 1: or my guests answer, email us at CTD at Phelps

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Speaker 1: Gamecalls dot com and give us your question, or better yet,

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Speaker 1: I have a super secret phone number you can call

1317
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: in and you can leave a message. You leave a

1318
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Speaker 1: detailed message, it can't be over three minutes. And then

1319
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: that mess ask the question. Ask your question about whatever

1320
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: it is, whether it's calling or hunting tips or whatever,

1321
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: any kind of big game animals or predators, and we'll

1322
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: do our best to answer that that question, and that

1323
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: super secret phone number is to zero eight two one

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01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: seven seven zero one, and leave that message, keep it

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Speaker 1: under three minutes, and we'll zero the best. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: thanks again, Tom, It's been a pleasure, and look forward

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Speaker 1: to our new next adventure together in the near future.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you.