1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: There's so many things to like about Bateman. The receiver's 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: good and contested catch is really good at the top 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: of the route, breaks out of the route and lots 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: of different directions. Really is more of a deceptive route 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: runner than the Ravens have had. Likes to come over 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: the middle of the field. That's very valuable, especially on 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: extended plays. So I expect that to be a real 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: big positive. Let me give you the best example I 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: can give you. You can tell every boxer in the 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: world to look for the punch and avoid it, but 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: if Muhammad Ali is the only one who can do it, 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: then you really have an understanding of the processing speed 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: required to do it. Lamar Jackson has unbelievable processing speed, 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: but afae A Waite may or may not have that 15 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: processing speed. Will find out at the NFL level, and 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: then we'll close it out here with the tight end 17 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: fullback Ben Mason. Ben miss practice on Saturday because he 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: tore the skin off the bottom of his feet. Have 19 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: you ever done that? Can not that I can remember it, 20 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: but I don't spend that much time out of my chair. 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge. We are going to take a 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: deep dive deep dive into the Ravens draft class today, 23 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: and we brought in the expert, the best guy to 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: do this, and that's Ken MCCUs from Film Study Baltimore 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: dot Com. You know, Ken's a friend of the lounge, 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: so we had to invite him on here to break 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: down the tape for us and really teach us about 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: these prospects. Good to have you on, Ken, Thanks thanks 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: for having me guys well, and you can always follow 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: Ken on Twitter. It's at Film Study Ravens. I highly 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: recommend Ken. You're sneaking up on your follower account. Now 32 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: you start getting up around my range, I'm gonna feel 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: threatened now, Ken, Alright, I don't think that's a concern. Alright, 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: So Ken, let's let's jump into this draft class. Just 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: from you know your your biggest takeaways from high level perspective. 36 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: What did you come away with this draft feeling? I 37 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: think there are a number of things. Obviously, the big 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: big school thing I think people have heard the Ravens 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: didn't address offensive tackle. I think one of the hidden 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: things they didn't do was addressed the defensive line or 41 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: I thought they would certainly try and get a player. 42 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: Bar Moore was a player who was available at thirty one, 43 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: certainly would have been, in my opinion, a reasonable pick 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: the best defensive line of the class by far. Um 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: they decided not to go in that direction. It means 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: that in two thousands twenty two they're gonna be very 47 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: old at that position, and they're likely to have to 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: pay a lot of free agent dollars out the door 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: to try and band aid what they've got then. So 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: it's a it's a problem for the future. Uh. You know, 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: drafting a pair of edge players I thought was interesting, 52 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: very athletic edges. They got very much Martin dale le 53 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: esque in terms of what I think they can provide 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: as in coverage and and as Sam's and quasi Sam's 55 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: even on the rush side that can drop the cover. 56 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: I think the Ravens will still have some of that 57 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: blitz flexibility they like to have. Interesting and and obviously 58 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: you wide receivers, did you see that coming or do 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: you think only one? Did that surprise you at all? 60 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: It surprised me a little bit, especially taking two as 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: early as they did, with the first pick in the 62 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: fourth round and their first pick overall. Um, it was 63 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: it was a little surprising to me. Uh, two cornerbacks 64 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: did not surprise me that I thought was very good 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: planning for the future with four guys who are kind 66 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: of near their end of their term with the Ravens, 67 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: h Taban and Peters aren't necessarily done. They could each 68 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: have another year under contract, but their expensive years and 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: our subject to cuts aver it has gone after this year, 70 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: and unless the Ravens resigned him, that was something I 71 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: thought might happen this offseason. Of course, Jimmy Smith is 72 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: in the perpetual last year of his deal right right, 73 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: And I'll we'll dive into these guys in visually a 74 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: little bit more on on Stevens. I do want to 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: try to get some more insight from you as we 76 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: continue this conversation because you mentioned two cornerbacks, but to me, 77 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: I think if him as a safety more than a cornerback. 78 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: But let's dive into that a little bit more in 79 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: a second, um, just to hang out on receiver a 80 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: little bit longer. I don't know about you, but but 81 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: you know, right and I were both fooled by the 82 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: pre draft chatter um and bought into the narrative that, Okay, 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: the Ravens like what they haven't wide receiver they addressed 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: it with Sammy Watkins. They're not gonna go with it early. 85 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: They just took a first round pick two years ago 86 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: at wide receiver. What did you make of that, Like, 87 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: did you fall for it like we did, or did 88 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: you expect them to to go with that position. Hey, 89 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the draft chatter that pre draft 90 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: thing is and what threw me off completely. I just 91 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: thought that if you're just you, just generally, I just 92 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: think the other the three big ones were offensive tackle, 93 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: pass rusher, and wide receiver. I thought they'd go with 94 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: the other two as opposed to wide receiver in the 95 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: first round. But it wasn't like shocked. Yeah, I'm with you, Ye, 96 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: go ahead. In terms of a needs based thing, I 97 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: did expect them to uh not take a wide receiver 98 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: with either of those first round picks. I think I 99 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: think they probably loved Bateman for value. Uh. There were 100 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: other guys they could have had in later rounds they 101 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: might have liked almost as much, or or or at 102 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: a at a decent value. But Bateman you drop into 103 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: twenty seven was a little bit of a surprise. Yes, 104 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: you are actually surprised, because that's one thing just that's 105 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: moved to Bateman. Like on Bateman, it was interesting to 106 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: me because once you got past the top three receivers 107 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: in this draft, then there seemed to be not really 108 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: a consensus as to how the rest of these guys 109 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: would go. Like we spent so much time talking about 110 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: Terris Marshall Jr. To the Ravens at seven, and then 111 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: he ends up going deep into the second Bateman was 112 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: somebody who's seemed like maybe he would be there then 113 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: then late it was like, I don't know. And and 114 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: we did a podcast with Jeremiah who had him as 115 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: a mid second round guy. It was just tough to 116 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: get a sense of of how people were grading out 117 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: these receivers after you got past the top three. What 118 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: did you What did you think of him in terms 119 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: of the value for him at twenty seven? Yeah, I 120 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: think he's good, not great value at seven. Some of 121 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: that's what the Ravens already had. How much of the 122 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: Ravens will actually use Bateman in an offense? That's it's 123 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: I expect to continue to be run based. There's so 124 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: many things to like about Bateman the receiver. I think 125 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: you know of you. The one thing at the end 126 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: not to like but uh, he's good and contested. Catch 127 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: is really good at the top of the route, break 128 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: breaks out of the route, and lots of different directions. 129 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: Really is more of a deceptive route runner than the 130 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: Ravens have had um in a while. I mean, you know, 131 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about Steve smith Is being a physical and 132 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 1: somewhat deceptive route runner. Bateman is is very physical and 133 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: and has some deception. Is game, likes to come over 134 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: the middle of the field. That's very valuable, especially on 135 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: extended plays for the Ravens. I expect that to be 136 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: a really big positive. Drops have been a big problem 137 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: in his career and if you look that's not you know, 138 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: we talk everything I've seen about Bateman in a Ravens 139 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: universe since he got selected, it's about his great hands, 140 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: But in fact the drops have been a real problem. 141 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: And if you look at the difference between him and 142 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: Talan Wallace, it's really a difference. The difference in yards 143 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: per target is not too much. It's ten to nine 144 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: point seven, with Wallace being higher, but ri shod Bateman 145 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: would have been higher by more than eight or nine 146 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: percent if he had not had any drops so or 147 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: if neither it had drops I should say, uh so anyway, 148 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: it's a big difference, so something he needs to work 149 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: on very heavily. I think it's interesting though, because when 150 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: you look at wide receivers, some guys just kind of 151 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: fight the ball, right Like Tori Smith came into the 152 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: NFL and was not a natural catcher, like he had 153 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: to be taught that was a craft for him. He 154 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: kind of fought the ball. I would say kind of 155 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: the same for Breshad Perriman, like he could make some 156 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: spectacular catches, but he just he just kind of fought 157 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: it a little bit. And I don't see that with 158 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: with Rashad. Yeah, I agree, it's not a hand placement issue, 159 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: so that's not the problem. You know. Sometimes you'll hear 160 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: Ladinian Thomas and talk of the NFL combine and he 161 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: talks about how running backs either got it or you don't, 162 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: and they tend to double catch the football when they're 163 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: running back. That's not what I see out of I 164 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: see concentration and focus drops. I see problems with him 165 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: dropping a football. There's no reason why he shouldn't. I 166 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: think it's some of it is uh starting to get 167 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: those great yards after the catch place started a little 168 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: too early. I don't see it as an uncorrectable thing, 169 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, it's it's it's really hard for 170 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: me to say that definitively. There's two things that are 171 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: hard to do. One is somebody has a concentration issue 172 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: doesn't really work. The other is how much of a 173 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: problem is processing speed. That's not the case in this 174 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: but it is. And other players will get to tell 175 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: me if you agree with this one, because when I 176 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: was watching him, this came to mind. And I want 177 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: to see if you feel see that similar at all? 178 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: Chad Johnson, Chadoo sinko, he do you see that at all? 179 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: With Bateman? Um? I mean I guess there are similarities 180 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: you can pick out with any receiver. Yeahinco you know, 181 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: fairly full route tree. In terms of what he could do, 182 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: I'd say that's a similarity. Um, you know, probably the 183 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: hands thing might be might be similar. Uh, boy, I 184 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: it's it's not obvious one for one cop. Yeah, I 185 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: was I was actually thinking a comp question too, you were. 186 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: I was thinking a calm question, who do you who 187 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: do you got? Well? I was thinking Derek Mason, Okay, 188 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: I was sinking Derek Mason a little closer to home. Yeah, 189 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: Derek Dirk Mason I think might be a little better 190 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: match for to lond Wallace and the and the reason 191 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: I like it is that he had the ability to 192 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: sell uh long speed and then and then decelerate very quickly, 193 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: sit in the chair to come back either on a 194 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: dig out or a comeback on that sideline. And when 195 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: Flacca was a rookie, that was his bread and butter. 196 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: Was that ten yards out to Mason. I know if 197 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: you remember that New England game that year, but he 198 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: had six first downs to Mason on one drive. Yes, 199 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: I do remember that. Man. That was always like it 200 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: was always the just hit Mason on the sideline for 201 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: eight yards and give it to me. Just do that 202 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: over and over in that game they finally did it. 203 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: It was amazing. Well, I do have one more question 204 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: on Bateman, and I thought it was an interesting thing 205 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: that you pointed out is his work over the middle 206 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: and particularly you know, an extended place, because hey, we 207 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: already know that Lamar likes to throw the ball over 208 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: the middle. That's why Mark Andrews in part has so 209 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: many targets. But it's also in some of the limited 210 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: highlights I haven't looked at it as much as you have. 211 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: But it's it's making himself available, right, like coming back, 212 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: getting into windows, to make himself available for the quarterback. 213 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's the Ravens have been lacking that 214 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, it's I'm not saying that Andrews 215 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: hasn't done it because Jackson can go left or right, 216 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: but he most of the time is going to be 217 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: going right. And that means the guy on the left 218 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: side of the field he used to be a boy 219 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: can He had some of those last year, He's had 220 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: some in the end zone, but this year should be 221 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: should be Bateman and he'll be able, I think, to 222 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: cross the field and making himself available in the non 223 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: routine spots. So you know, it's it's rules based that 224 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: the two guys go to two distinct points on the sideline. 225 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: Right nearest receiver goes to the right sideline and the 226 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: other one can go deep. But it's that third guy 227 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: who can make Jackson look really good by extending up 228 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: play and getting open ever over the middle. And I'm 229 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: hoping that's the role that Bateman will have in this 230 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean Andrews can have it too, but uh, you know, 231 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: an opportunity for for multiple uh spots of opening on 232 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: the field. M hmm. Interesting. So one more question on 233 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: receivers before we start diving into some of these other picks. 234 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: How do you see And I know it's earlier, We 235 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: got a lot of time before we really get to 236 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: this point, but I one thing I've spent some time 237 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: thinking about since the draft is how the Ravens will 238 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: end up using these guys come September. So Hollywood Brown 239 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: is going to be out there. The Ravens signed Sammy 240 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: Watkins and first taken discussion. Let's say he's healthy, so 241 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: you know he's got a high ceiling. If he's healthy, 242 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: you obviously have Mark Andrew is gonna be there at 243 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: tight end like in duvern A to me, slides in 244 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: naturally to that slot position from that will least need 245 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: have last year. So how do you see, like in 246 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: a three wide situation, what does that look like for 247 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: this team? Well? I think that's the first thing is 248 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: how often do they go three wide and how often 249 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: do they go forwwide? You know, because they don't play 250 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: a on of eleven personnel, probably less than most NFL 251 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: teams that they don't have the exact number. Um. But 252 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: if if you know they're playing twelve personnel a lot 253 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: of the time, then these receivers are gonna be rotating 254 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: in I would expect, and probably getting less snaps. But 255 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: when they're in, they're gonna be more uh, they're gonna 256 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: be fresher hopefully and be more effective when they are 257 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: So I think we may see some of that. Um. 258 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: I don't really know exactly how this is gonna work. 259 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 1: I think it's it's possible Bateman will get less of 260 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: a workload as a rookie than everybody would expect normally, 261 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: that he won't, you know, suddenly play the snaps or 262 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: anything just because of who the Ravens have otherwise personnel wise. 263 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: Interesting and then I'm sure fans are gonna yeah exactly. Um. Alright, 264 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: so Ken, let's move it to the other first round pick, 265 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: dafe O Way, if you want to talk about the 266 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: size speed combination, just an incredible athlete, that's him. Um. 267 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: And And when we talked with Eric's a Cost on 268 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: the podcast recently, he made the point, which I've it 269 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: was an interesting one that he's not just a high 270 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: ceiling player, but he's also a high floor player because 271 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: of his ability to stop the run. What do you 272 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: see in looking at him? I mean, I agree with 273 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: most of what the CASA is saying in terms of 274 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: the upside of the pick, the high ceiling. I completely agree. 275 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: In terms of the low floor, I'm sorry, the high floor, 276 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: I'm not as sanguine on that common I don't agree 277 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: with it as much. I think it's it's really if 278 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: he can't rush the pastor at the NFL level, he's 279 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: gonna be a very limited value. It's not not no value, 280 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: but very limited value. Uh So, Anyway, he's got a 281 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: lot of things to work on as a pastor. She 282 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: does a couple of things really well. Uh He pursues 283 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: the ball carrier or the QB either with a very 284 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: high motor, and you see him get a lot of 285 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: clean up plays. And we saw that from Michael McCrary 286 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: years ago. If you're a Ravens fan, there's a comp 287 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: for you in terms of having that kind of a motor. 288 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: He uses his athleticism, I think, at the college level 289 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: very well to clamp down on the run. I'm hoping 290 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: that can continue at the pro level, where he can 291 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: force that tackle to make a mistake and hopefully get 292 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: off that that guy on the edge also so make 293 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: it difficult for any kind of stretch plays to run 294 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: in that direction to be to be uh stretched out 295 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: and and hopefully taken down. But there's so many things 296 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: he's not at an NFL level. They's gonna have to 297 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: learn what he gets here. Give it to us, Give 298 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: it to us. Can I give us the abridged version, 299 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: the abridged version? Okay, really quickly, he needs to get 300 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: off quicker at the snap. He's painfully slow to watch there. 301 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: Uh stands up a lot in terms of bend. He's 302 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: one of the most unpolished guys ever seen a lot 303 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: of polished guys in this class. But he very upright player, 304 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: which means he gets knocked around by tackles, takes a 305 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: very inefficient track to the quarterback and makes up with 306 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: some of that, but showing up with motor. But if 307 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: you're looking for reasons why he had no sex last year, 308 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: that's that's part of it. Um. I think here's the 309 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: biggest thing about what They will try and teach him 310 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: early to try and get him acclimated. The NFL is 311 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: bet first in poker. Usually when nobody has anything. Guy 312 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: who bets first takes a hand in uh in football. 313 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: When he bets first against an inferior athlete, which is 314 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: every single offensive tackle he will ever face in the 315 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: National Football League, all he has to do is force 316 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: them to overreact and then he'll be able to counter 317 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: off that and do something really positive. And I think 318 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't do enough of that. And I saw it 319 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: at Penn State. I was not impressed with his first 320 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: move um willingness or a desire. I'll say, you know, 321 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: he's thirty four and a half inch arms. I mean, 322 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: that's longer than most offensive tackles. He can dictate first 323 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: contact very easily when he does, so they're gonna overreact. 324 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: He's gonna have an opportunity for account that's gonna look 325 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: really great. So, I mean, I guess then the question 326 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: here is, I mean that stuff all sounds very coachable, right, 327 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that's kind of what the 328 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: Ravens saw was? All? Right? This guy has a lot 329 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: of work to do here. He's obviously young in his 330 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: NFL career, but that's what coaching is for. Like, this 331 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: is all stuff that a lot of players whatever. You 332 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: could coach him all you want, but they ain't gonna 333 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: get there right. This guy, like if you coach him 334 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: the right way and he absorbs this and he has 335 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: the right attitude about getting better and all that stuff, 336 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: like he do you see a guy that can be 337 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: elite even as a pass rusher. Oh? Absolutely, I I do. 338 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: But but I would say the one thing that I 339 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: can't figure in in here is how much of what 340 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: he's not doing at the college level is processing speed. 341 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: On the plus side, he's so raw, it's easy to 342 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: ascribe it to he's just not using his talent properly, 343 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: hasn't been coached properly. But there's something else, just how 344 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: how fast you can put your foot on the big 345 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: brake pedal and change to acceleration when you need to 346 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: um those two things? Uh? You know, let me give 347 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: you the best example I can give you. You can 348 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: tell every boxer in the world to look for the 349 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: punch and avoid it, but if Muhammad Ali is the 350 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: only one who can do it, that you really have 351 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: an understanding of the processing speed required to do it. 352 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: And that's where Lamar Jackson and reading leverage has unbelievable 353 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: processing speedies at the next level, and Adafa Awaite may 354 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: or may not have that processing speed will find out 355 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: at the NFL level. Yeah, let's go the guy who's 356 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: quickly become the most popular guy in Baltimore. Didn't take long. 357 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: But Bank Cleveland, I think everyone's you know, got the 358 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: Bank Cleveland Jersey's on back order right now because this 359 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: guy has quickly become a fan favorite, media favorite, whether 360 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: it's squirrel stories, his size, his his demeanor during press conferences. 361 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: People love this guy. So do you love him as 362 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: much as the fans around Baltimore love him? I do 363 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: love him. He was my third ranked guard UM and 364 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: I had another tackle rated guard second, uh Carmen, who 365 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: went to the Bengals, So I thought it was a 366 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: great value. Uh probably the best value picked the Ravens 367 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: made during an old draft. A little surprising to me 368 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: that uh Da Costa came out and tagged him as 369 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: hardballs guy, because the only other time I've ever heard 370 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: that done was not a good, good, good time it 371 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: was with Devon Drew he tagged as being Aussies guy. 372 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: So it's an interesting that that this is. It is, 373 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: But I don't think there's anything about Ben Cleveland that 374 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: he won't be able to learn at the pro level. 375 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: They made Bradley Bozeman into a wonderful technical polar the 376 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: Ravens coaches did, and he's much less of an athlete. 377 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: And it's no knock on Bradley because he's been become 378 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: He pulled the most of any raven in history this 379 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: last season. And Cleveland is just a much better athlete. 380 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: He's you know, almost a half second faster on the forty. 381 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: That doesn't really matter, but he's faster on every other metric, 382 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: the ten, that twenty, the shuttle, the three cone, whatever 383 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: you want to say. Ben Cleveland is the better athlete. 384 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: So he's got some habits that are not good. He 385 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: plays a little high sometimes and he gets into level 386 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: two and he lunges a little bit. You see some 387 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: of that. I don't like that. Bozeman was certainly got 388 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: to a good technical level there. They will clean that up. 389 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm not concerned about that at all. He's got a 390 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: wonderful talent though, of transferring what he is physically into 391 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: the ability to process and create help blocks that I 392 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: really love. So if you look at it to Georgia, 393 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: try and watch some past blocking reps, and he'll start 394 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: with if he's on a double team and he has 395 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: no apparent opponent directly over left guard. What what he'll 396 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: do is he'll start with the center and use two 397 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: hands and then he'll switch to one hand, which, by 398 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: the way, one hand from Ben Cleveland still a lot 399 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: of force as a second blocker there, but he's also 400 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: then patrolling the area and looks to help out the 401 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: tackle in those situations. So it'll be interesting. We saw 402 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: that a lot from Marshal Yanda when James Hurst was 403 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: at right tackle at the start of ten. He was 404 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: extremely good with that. So I think there's some there's 405 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: some things to love about Ben Cleveland. I think he'll 406 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: be a very fine pass blocker. I think they'll mold 407 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: him into a good run blocker and that could happen 408 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: as as early as this year. Good good enough to 409 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: be a week one starter camp. Yes, but you know 410 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: what I said that about about Brown two and and 411 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: for whatever reason Harball held him out until we gate. Well, 412 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: I think I feel like there's more need to who 413 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: who was the starting right tackle at the beginning of 414 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: the year. Well, you know, Ken, I'm not going to 415 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: sit here and dog James Hurst's alright, So that was 416 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: very warranted back then. Alright, Orlando had to pay his 417 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: dude sit behind all pro. All right, let's move on 418 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: to Brandon Stevens here. And I think this was one 419 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: of the more interesting picks, just because you know, you're 420 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: you're kind of like, who is this guy? And he's 421 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: a converted running back? And you know, did they have 422 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: to take him in the third round? You know, immediately 423 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: after a pick is made, you're always like, Okay, where 424 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: did the pundits have this guy ranked? And and Brandon 425 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: was a little lower than the third round. You know, 426 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: we're talking to day three guy who the Ravens seemingly 427 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: just really loved, Like they just really loved this guy, 428 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: and maybe other teams did out there. You know, I 429 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: don't know, um, but what did you see from from 430 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: this pick? Yeah, purely in terms of the economy of 431 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: the pick, I'd say it's a minus three on my 432 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: plus three to minus three scale. It's it's a It's 433 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: a guy who they could I think they could add later. 434 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: But in in why cheine tape of it? And I 435 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: didn't watch any tape of Brandon Stevens prior to the 436 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: draft none at all. It was not on my radar 437 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: at all to be be selected but I did after 438 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: the fact, and there's something very interesting going on. So 439 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: first of all, he's hard to find on the field 440 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: because he switched his position a lot for s m U. 441 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: But he fortunately he wears these bright red shoes you 442 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: can pick up if you watch tape, even on the 443 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: on the broadcast video that are that are easy. Again. 444 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: But he would switch between UH free safety, UH slot corner, 445 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: and outside corner on a by situation basis. Sm you 446 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: did all this defensive substitution in the secondary and drive 447 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: me nuts as an analyst. I'll tell you if I 448 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: was covering them, to try and do what I do 449 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: for the defense and record players by playing drive up 450 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: the wall. But I mean they had different defensive packages 451 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: and they liked some some other safeties and other corners 452 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: better for certain situations. But Stevens was definitely the guy 453 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: they could play anywhere. He kind of the most similar 454 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: player of the Ravens ever had law Darius Webb, but 455 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: he would play corner and inside corner within the same 456 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: game and moved by package. That's not that uncommon to 457 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: have somebody moved to safety during the game. There really 458 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,959 Speaker 1: aren't very many players in the whole NFL who do 459 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Uh So, anyway, Webb played it 460 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: later later in his career, he played some safety of course. 461 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: M right. Interesting, Okay, So what else did you see 462 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: from Brandon on tape that that stood out to you? Yeah, 463 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: ball skills, good downhill coverage. I don't think he benefited 464 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: too much from s m U system. I think it 465 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: might have actually held him back. But they obviously like 466 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: what they see of him film film wise. I have 467 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: not seen any all twenty two with the guy. All 468 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: I've seen his broadcast video of him, so I'm behind 469 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: in that regard. Uh. You know, it creates a big 470 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: backlog at safety in terms of the Ravens figuring out 471 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: what they need to do with some players. I don't 472 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: know how you guys feel about it, but they've got 473 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: six safeties now on the roster if you include him there, 474 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: and you know that, really, I think puts a burden 475 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: on whether Richard's Levine or either of them for that matter, 476 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: makes the team. M h. Yeah, there is when you 477 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: start doing the fifty three and you figure him in, 478 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: which I would certainly have figured him in as a 479 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: third round pick, it does get a little clunky in 480 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: terms of figuring out if Lavine Richards, Geno Stone late 481 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: round pick last year is on there, so that'll be interesting. 482 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: Another guy at the defensive secondary that they took fifth 483 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: round with Shawn Wade and Way, it's interesting because I 484 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: don't know if you know this candam Ohio State fans, 485 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: so so I've watched plenty of Shawn Wade over the 486 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: past few years. Was really good in not so good 487 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: and if he had come out, you know, he's one 488 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: of those cases where you feel bad for him in 489 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: a sense because he stayed in school for an extra year. 490 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: He was one of the guys who was who helped 491 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: get college football back, was really involved and kind of 492 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: making that effort, and then his draft stock took a 493 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: hit over the course of the season, So you feel 494 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: bad for him and that. But for the from the 495 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: Ravens standpoint, they end up getting a guy that was 496 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: maybe a first or date first day or second day 497 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: pick a year ago and they get him in the 498 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: fifth round. That is good value obviously, Yeah, mark marvelous value. 499 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: Second best value pick of the draft from me could 500 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: end up being number one, but he was a plus two. 501 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: The thing to really love about him, I mean, there's 502 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: a lot to love about him in terms of size 503 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: and speeding on a very long corner of thirty three 504 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: and a half inch arms. By the way, just to 505 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: compare that, Tevin Jenkins and many of the offensive tackles 506 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: in this class are thirty three and a half inches 507 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: or shorter in terms of arm like And people say, well, 508 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: why would that even matter. It's a hundred yard field, 509 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: and you're blah blah blah on contested catches, the slot 510 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: corner in particular, but all cornerbacks get right to the 511 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: body of the player and they have to reach in 512 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: and not interfere. And that length is very valuable. It's 513 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: extremely valuable for trying to deflect the ball. It's valuable 514 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: for trying to dislodge the ball once it's in the 515 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: in their hands. I expect Sean Wade uh to be effective. Um. 516 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: I think the two thousand twenty season, UH, he was 517 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: probably playing out of position, you know, playing on the 518 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: outside in two thousand nineteen, you know, five point four 519 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: yards per target UH and a seventy passer rating. That's 520 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: certainly is the kind of thing I would expect out 521 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: of out of someone coming to the NFL. Is a 522 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: real prospect corner. So you know, it looks to me 523 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: like he's the air apparent to Tavon Young and the 524 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: Ravens really need that backup slot corner to not have 525 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: to move hump free inside again this season. So I 526 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: like it from that perspective. Yeah, Ryan and I have 527 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: talked about that. It's just you want some assurance they're 528 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: given what's going on the table on the past few 529 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: years with him. Do you think it's as simple as 530 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: slide him back inside and you get the high level 531 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: performance again? I think. I mean, Okay, so he's coming 532 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: to the NFL, so we can expect some regression from 533 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: where he was in college. But yeah, I think that 534 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: that he's in position at slot and he's out of 535 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: position at outside corner, despite the fact that if you know, 536 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: you look at his speed in his length, he should 537 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: do pretty well on the outside too. And that's probably 538 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: what Ohio State was thinking when they moved him. I 539 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: saw so many comment and they said, look, if you 540 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: struggle that mightily at outside cornerback, it doesn't get any 541 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: easier to go in the slot, where you have more responsibilities, 542 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: more communication. It's it's a tough position to play, do 543 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: you subscribe to that or or can you think do 544 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: you believe a guy that can that struggles outside can 545 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: thrive inside. I think it's it's a very different position 546 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: in terms of what responsibilities you have in terms of 547 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: what you have to process. It's it's more on the 548 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: slot for sure. On the outside, it's more about length, size, speed, 549 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: It's more about the basic things. You know. Obviously, breaking 550 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: on the football very important wherever you are. Uh, your 551 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: processing speed extremely important at slot corner. So given the 552 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: fact that Wade has done better there, you know, I 553 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: would hope he's bringing some of that in terms of 554 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: his ability to read the opponent's leverage and see when 555 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: when that whip route is coming, react to it quickly. 556 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: Hopefully he's going to be a guy who can help 557 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: the Ravens figure out bunch formations, which is something they 558 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: had a big problem with last year, particularly that Kansas 559 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: City game, but also against Pittsburgh. All right, let's back 560 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: it up to Thayland Wallace, the wide receiver aut of 561 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. Uh. You know, one thing that I saw 562 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: about him was a lot of contested catches. Really good 563 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: at making contesting catches in college. And my kind of 564 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: question with that is, well, it's harder to make those 565 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: catches in the NFL. Bigger, stronger guys, right, Like, it's 566 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: another step to do in the NFL. You better be 567 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: an Kwan Bolden to do it regularly and in time 568 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: of Wallas ain't built like an Kwan Bolden. I hate 569 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: to say it, but do you see how do you 570 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: see him kind of getting that separation in the NFL 571 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: to make things a little bit easier for himself. Yeah? 572 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean, for one thing, if you look at the 573 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: route tree he ran last year, and and it looked 574 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: just at the heat diagrams for example of wards routes 575 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: to n always lined up on the right side, basically 576 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: always ran right down the right sideline in one fashion 577 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: or another, either on some sort of a quick comeback 578 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: or on a on a deep route. Um that is, 579 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: that may be a limiting factor for him in terms 580 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: of how the Ravens can use him. It doesn't mean 581 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: they can't use them in four verts, packages and whatnot. 582 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: But if there's a guy who's gonna get a lot 583 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: less playing time as a rookie, I would point to 584 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: him as being the guy that said I think he 585 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: has you know, he's had good hands in his college 586 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: career has at terrific yards per target numbers. Uh. And 587 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: at that's at Oklahoma State and they have a fairly 588 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: wide open offense. He has the necessary deceleration to to 589 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: do the know what we talked about with Mason and Bateman. 590 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: Also in terms of being able to come back for 591 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: the ball, which is important because if you're gonna get 592 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: to you have to be able to sell the fact 593 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: that you might come back and to the comeback ROUNDE. 594 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: So I think he has both of those things that 595 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward his play. I think we'll just see 596 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: less of him in would be my guest. Alright, So 597 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: we got two more guys to work through here, Dalen Hayes. 598 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: Dalen another one who is quickly a media favorite here. 599 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just he's uh, he's an really interesting 600 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: guy to talk with. Uh and he's he's great with 601 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: the media. UM. His you know, I think his draft 602 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: call was was really powerful. So but enough about him? 603 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Is it is an interview? What do you think about 604 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: him in terms of his ability to get out to 605 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: the quarterback, Like, do you think that he's somebody who 606 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: could who can make an impact as a rookie? UM? 607 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: I think he'll he'll probably see the fields some. Um, 608 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: he's fairly average athletically, so I'm not I'm not so 609 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: keen on the play. But you see things that are 610 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: very polished in terms of his ability to cover to 611 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: drop the cover that you don't normally see in a 612 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: college player, Like one of the things. It's very hard 613 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: to find players who you can definitely say that guy 614 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: is gonna be a good sam linebacker at the NFL 615 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: level because most outside linebackers in college they spend most 616 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: of their time being the best pass rush around the team. 617 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: Teams are loath to drop them to coverage because of that, 618 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: and so you don't you don't see as much of them. 619 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: But heyes, we saw a fair amount of him at 620 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: Notre Dame doing that and he's good. He has a great, 621 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: great ball skills at four forced fumbles, five fumble recoveries, 622 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: four passes defense. If you look at his highlight reel alone, 623 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: you'll see an interception tip to himself, another interception tip 624 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: to a teammate, So you really see that those those 625 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: kind of ball scales really play well with the Ravens 626 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: and the more defensive guys they have are who are 627 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: focused in on that football better because the Ravens, you know, 628 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: certainly want to play turnover defense. I think one of 629 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: the things is at the college level, Hayes more than 630 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: some of the other draft picks in certain within a way. 631 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: Gut By on his size and strength, He's really got 632 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: grown man strength and that comes with being twenty three 633 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: right now already. So it's it's a case of I'm 634 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: not sure that we're going to see a strength upside 635 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: at the NFL level. I hope I'm wrong on that. 636 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: I hope he's the next Matthew Judean and does everything 637 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: you could, but it's just not obvious to me that 638 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: that he's going to take a big leap at the 639 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: pro level. Interesting, and then we'll close it out here 640 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: with the tight end fullback Ben Mason, the Ravens pick 641 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: with the last pick. My first question here is, can 642 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: you know Ben miss practice on Saturday because he tore 643 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: the skin off the bottom of his feet. Have you 644 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: ever done that? Ken? Not that I can remember, but 645 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: I don't spend that much time out of my chair, 646 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: So that's really one of you know, if your foot 647 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: gets like caught underneath your roller chair, you know, you 648 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: get that foot caught onto there can take a couple 649 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: of layers off. There you go. Um, so, so, how 650 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: how do you see Ben Fitten in? Yeah, I wondered 651 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: if they could have had him as an undrafted free agent. 652 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: That was my first question. There's obviously connection there with Harbaugh. Um. 653 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: You know, there's talk of him being the Swiss Army Knife, 654 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: but he had three career receptions, so that doesn't really 655 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: feel I mean, Ricard had three receptions on the big 656 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: second half drive against Tennessee, So it's not like he's 657 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: he's there right now. He's a much smaller version of 658 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Ricard if he is. That said, you know, it 659 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: may be a case of They've got one year left 660 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: on Ricard's contract after this. I think that's true, right, 661 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: he signed for one more and they may just decide 662 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: that they want to let him go and save some 663 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: money at a position when they need to find some 664 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: ways to save money. Right. Yeah, you know I kind 665 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: of think about that too. One thing, you know, and 666 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: talking in talking about his receptions, right, I mean, but 667 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: Ricard never caught the ball college, you know, I mean 668 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: he was a defensive lineman, right. I kind of feel 669 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: like at the end of the day. If you're an athlete, 670 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: you can catch the dang ball, right, I mean, if 671 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: they throw it to you and you're open enough. Now, 672 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: Ricard has made some pretty nice catches, the one touchdown, 673 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: the shoe string catching made nice in that Tennessee game. 674 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just feel like you look 675 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: at it in Ben Mason, he'll knock your your block off, right, 676 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 1: and so we know that he's gonna do that. He's 677 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: gonna be a really good blocker. And if they need 678 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: him to catch a ball here or they're ten a 679 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: year or whatever, just throw with the guy. If he's open. 680 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: I feel like he'll catch the ball, you know what 681 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, I think that's reasonable. He's he's 682 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: not an unreasonable player to have a backup. I just 683 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: don't see rum on the fifty three for both of 684 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: these players. I mean, it's it's right, and I kind 685 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: of feel like part of it might have also been 686 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: that they really felt stung by the loss of Nick Boyle, right, 687 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: like you lose between Nick Boyle and Ricard, like that 688 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: combination is critical to the Ravens running six s and 689 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: really the offense as a whole. Those two in tanem 690 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: and if you lose one piece of that. I think 691 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: they really feel kind of hampered. So like this is like, 692 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: all right, we have Mason, he can he can step 693 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: in if somebody gets injured. The question is do you 694 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: stash him on the fifty three for that possibility or what? 695 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: You know? I've heard various things you can put him 696 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: on the practice squad, and I'm not sure he'd get 697 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: taken because not that many teams use a fullback. The 698 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: teams that do tend to have one, So you're really 699 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: you're running the injury risk for other teams. Are they 700 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: going to have somebody hurt and then want to bring 701 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: Mason in as their as their backup guy? Um, that's 702 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: a possibility. I the other possiblities I are of course, 703 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: now the Ravens haven't done this in a couple of 704 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: years where they really stashed someone suspiciously on I R 705 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: with the Maria Flebitis as I call, because that's what 706 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: Bart Simpson had when he was sick and I was 707 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: taking We didn't want to get out of a test. 708 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: But it's I'm not sure what they might do with 709 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: with Ben to get him through this year, but I 710 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: think they probably want to have him for two, I 711 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: wonder are they still doing the protection thing on the 712 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: practice squad where you could protect you guys, they couldn't 713 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: be ok now that that's not a percent protection. That 714 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: was protected every day except one day, which is basically 715 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: not being protected at all. So when Will Holden got 716 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: yanked from the Ravens practice squad, they were protecting him 717 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: during that period, but they didn't They couldn't protect him 718 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: on on the day after the game in Indianapolis was 719 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 1: able to get him. Interesting. So all right, last question 720 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: for me on these guys. How many day one starters 721 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: are we going to get out of this rookie class? 722 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: Is he just just Cleveland? I guess you know what 723 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: I'll give you. I'll give you a month one starters, 724 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: all right, month one ext it, I'll extend it to 725 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: a full full month if they don't make the cut 726 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: week one month one starters. I'm gonna go ahead and 727 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: say Bateman and Cleveland both maybe get it. Ud fa 728 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: o A uh. He's since he's a run stopper, he 729 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: might actually get some games started that they may decide 730 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: they want to use him at that rush position as 731 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,240 Speaker 1: opposed to McPhee. I don't think McPhee really cares about 732 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: his starts at this point in his career. Um, it's 733 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: it's it's possible, so it's possible. There'd be three there. Um. 734 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: Otherwise I think that anybody else, Sean Wade, it would 735 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: be in case of injury. Um, there's probably nobody else 736 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: about Brandon Stevens in case of an injury. Might maybe 737 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: at safety. All right, interesting, All right, well, thank you 738 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: so much. Can we really appreciate it for all your 739 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: listeners out there. You can find Ken's work at film 740 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: study Baltimore dot com. Great stuff. As always, Ken, take 741 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: care of those feet. We don't want to hear about 742 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: any injuries. Uh, and we'll check in with you later. Man. 743 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. Always a pleasure, guys, thanks for having me. 744 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: All right, So, great breakdown from Ken. Uh. You know, 745 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: I always like getting it from Ken because he keeps 746 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: it real. He's a real Oh yeah, no, I mean 747 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: we like well, you know sometimes you know, like we 748 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: have guys who come on the podcast and they all 749 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden become our favorite players of all time. 750 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: Shout out to Bronson Reichs. That's the ultimate one right there. 751 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: They're fitting him for his gold jacket. Um, they're taking 752 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: the measurements right now. And Ken, I'm telling you all right, um, 753 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: but Ken, you know, Ken doesn't sit in our chair. 754 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: He doesn't sit in the lounge technically speaking. So Ken 755 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: brings the heat. Yeah, And and like what I like 756 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: about Ken is as much as I like doing the 757 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: YouTube highlights, you know, going with your method of player assessment, 758 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: just watch the YouTube pilots and Instagram. You don't even 759 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: do that. You don't even do that. You just eaves 760 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: drop all my conversations. Now, that's what I eaves dropping 761 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: your conversations and then I know exactly what not to believe. 762 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: That's the key. But with Ken, I mean, he's got 763 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: a detailed system of breaking these guys down, and he 764 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: puts a lot of work into it and a lot 765 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: of insights. So but yeah, he breaks it down well 766 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: and and he has a system in place, and uh, 767 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: he's got really good insights. So I always and like 768 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: some of the points that he made, like on o A. 769 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: It's not like there are people who necessarily totally disagree 770 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: with that. You know, he's those criticisms of him about 771 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: being a raw player that's out there. He's aware of that. 772 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: Everyone's aware of that, and so now it's it's you know, 773 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: the Ravens drafted him based on his his ability to 774 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: be a transcendent player, and they know that they got 775 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: to coach him up in order to get there. So 776 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: it's not like what he's saying is yeah, let me 777 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: just let me just interject here too. It doesn't dapho 778 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,799 Speaker 1: A doesn't have to turn into a fifteen SAT guy 779 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: and reach the ultimate peak of his ceiling in order 780 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: to be a good pick. Right, there's nothing wrong with 781 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: the guy is is a good Like Ken said, if 782 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: doesn't develop as a pass rusher at all, if he 783 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: ends his his Ravens career with zero sacks, then yeah, 784 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: it's not a great pick if he's just a run stopper. 785 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: But he could be a really good run stopper and 786 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: an eight set guy, and that'd be a great pick, 787 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, like, it doesn't there 788 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: could be an in between. He doesn't have to be 789 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: a bad pick or a ten time pro bowler, right, Like, 790 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: he could be a very good player who gets you, 791 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, close to or double digit sacks, you know, 792 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: ten sacks a year, and that's a great pick, yeah, 793 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: for sure. So he also add one other thing. He 794 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: had one other thing and that this isn't on O way, 795 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: but but it is kind of on, you know, to 796 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 1: Ken's points about the value in the Ben Mason pick 797 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: and the Brandon Stevens picks. I kind of just think, 798 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: sometimes you really like a player, you really like a player, 799 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: and you say, I'm gonna take that guy. Right. Ben 800 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,479 Speaker 1: Mason was the Ravens last pick in the fifth round. 801 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: They didn't have a six round or a seventh round pick. 802 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: Sure they could have traded a future pick to get 803 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 1: back in whatever, but they were saying, you know what, like, 804 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: we really like this guy. He encapsulates everything that it 805 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: means to be a Raven. We think that we're going 806 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: to find a spot with him in a heavy run scheme. 807 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: So you know what, we're gonna take him. And I 808 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: don't care if we if maybe we could have had 809 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: him a little bit later, whatever, Right, And same kind 810 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: of kind I kind of feel the same with Brandon Stevens, 811 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: although there has been reports of other teams kind of 812 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: sniffing around that he he might have gone, um, but 813 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: I just feel like they thought, we really like this guy, 814 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: and sometimes you just take the player, you know, like 815 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: in my fantasy draft, I'll reach for Justin Tucker. Sure, 816 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: I'll take them two rounds early. Of course I will, 817 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: because I want Justin Tucker on my team. That's kind 818 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: of how it is this well, the other the other 819 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: thing too is and Joe Ortiz talked about this when 820 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: he was on the podcast. The difference in how the 821 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: Ravens assessed players in terms of what how they fit 822 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 1: their team is different than how the Saints assess players 823 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: or how whoever the Carolina Panthers assess players. Like, the 824 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: Ravens are trying to fit guys that fit their defense, 825 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: that fit their offense, and that's their focus rather than 826 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: where do they rank on Daniel Jeremiahs big board and 827 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: mel Kiper's big board. So like, it was interesting here 828 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: and can talk about Stevens and how the guy played 829 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: basically all these different positions in college. Okay, that's what 830 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: the Ravens like their defensive backs, and uh, they like 831 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 1: that defensive list football Ben Mason. Ravens run a unique 832 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: offense different than any other offense in the NFL, so 833 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: he's going to be of higher value compared to the 834 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,439 Speaker 1: way other teams assess him. So you know, there that's 835 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: the other factor to keep in mind here. So anyway, 836 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: really good stuff from Ken. We're going to continue to 837 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: try to get some good guests over the course. Uh, 838 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: you know, the next a couple of weeks. Uh, we're 839 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: working on stuff. We've got a few things that we're 840 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: working on, so states working on stuff. That's about as 841 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: vague as it gets, right, Yeah, whether there's things around 842 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: the works, there's things that are in the worst. Look, 843 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to We are doing our job, Okay, 844 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: we are working. One of us says, well, you're going 845 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: on vacation. You're going you're going on vacation. Oh, don't 846 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: be pulling to one of us right before you go 847 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: on vaca big bulls. Yeah, vacation well earned. Well arn. 848 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: One of us was grinding away, grinding away. Hey, did 849 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: you did you see did you see the Twitter exchange here? 850 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: Some guy wants us to have an arm wrestling competition. Oh, 851 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: I would destroy you. No, no, no, It's like I 852 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: told him. It's like we went in the weight room 853 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: a few years ago and you're like, oh, yeah, I could. 854 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: I can't remember what the bench or whatever that I could. 855 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: I could handle this, and I just destroyed you. Just 856 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: I can get the bar up. I can. I can 857 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,359 Speaker 1: get the bar up. Sure I can. I told him 858 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: there's no way you'd accept it unless it were over 859 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: zoomed zum arm wrestling. It's perfect anyway, all right, Thanks 860 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: for listening, as I always hit us up at the 861 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: lounge at Raymonds, NFL dot net. We'll be back for 862 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: the next week.