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Get started now sign up. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Please use the promo code Colin so they know we 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: sent you. Please use the promo code Colins c O 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: l I N FanDuel Sports Book App. Sign up. It's 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: prime cuts. The best of the Colin Coward Podcast. Chris 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: Mannox and I went deep on the Lakers issue and 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: why the Westbrook move is so awful. Mike silver Boy, 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: was he great? The weird statement by Kyler Murray's agent 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: and Trey Lance. Jimmy g updates Ethan Strauss always provocative, 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of great behind the scenes insight into the 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: complicated relationship between the media and the NBA. But first, 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: my top takes of the week. So yesterday I had 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: an opinion. It's my favorite kind of opinion. It's right, 22 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: but it gets pushedback that John Moran's amazing and he's 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: gonna win his career an MVP, and he's exhilarating and 24 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: he's fun. But I've seen it before. It's called Derrick Rose, 25 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook, and John Wall hyper athletic guards who, because 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: they're not great shooters, need to drive to the room 27 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: and score. And eventually it's very physical down there among 28 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: the forest. They get knocked down, they get hurt, and 29 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: careers are not nearly as great as they are in 30 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: the first couple of years. So the pushback is Colin 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: he's different. He is different. No, No, he's not. I 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: watched Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose was the best highlight player 33 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: in the league, so as John Morant. Derrick Rose was 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: not the best player in the league. He faced that year. 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: He won the MVP Lebron in the Eastern Conference finals, 36 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: and Lebron totally shut him down on the fourth quarter 37 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: of every big game. John Morant's not as valuable as Yannis, 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: He's not as gifted as a healthy KD. He's not 39 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: the best player in the league. He's the best highlight 40 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: and he's playing in Zion, isn't in the NBA. But 41 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,559 Speaker 1: he's not a great shooter. He is a solid distributor 42 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: and people are gonna say, well, Colin, he's got more 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: depth than Westbrook. All you fanboys out there voted for 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: Westbrook and wanted Westbrook could be the MVP because of 45 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: a triple double. If that's not balanced, I don't know 46 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: what is. He averaged over ten rebounds a game, over 47 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: ten assists a game, double digits in points a game. 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: That's the definition of balance. That's why he won the 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: MVP balance. He didn't win the scoring title. He was 50 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: on most efficient player. He was the definition of what 51 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: many perceived his balance. He could do a lot of things. Well, 52 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm not anti John Morant, but we've seen this before 53 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: hyper athletic guards who are not great shooters. There is 54 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: no hand check. Wall can get to the basket. Westbrook 55 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: gets to the basket. Derrick Rose gets to the basket. Okay, 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: Gary Payton could not as easily get to the basket. 57 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: You could hand check him. So and I've said this, 58 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: the hand check should be reinstituted to the NBA. It 59 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: would cut down on small guys getting hurt, they wouldn't 60 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: be able to drive to the basket as freely as 61 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: they do. I'm not saying John Morant won't win an MVP. 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he won't be a great player. I'm 63 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: not saying he won't be a Hall of Famer. I'm 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: not saying he won't lead his team to playoff victories 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: and series victories. But titles are not They don't go 66 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: through point guards. I mean, Magic Johnson doesn't even have 67 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: a comp in NBA history. He was a six nine 68 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: point guard. Don't compare him to Magic. But to last 69 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: in this league, it is not attacking the basket as 70 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: a little guy. That's not how you last in this league. 71 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: Lebron James did something about ten years ago. And Lebron 72 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: is such a savvy player. Even at six ninety five, 73 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: two sixty Lebron started pulling up and shooting jumpers. Even 74 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: though he can score at the rim at will. Still 75 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: to this day he can score at the rim at will, 76 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: but Lebron doesn't want the body taking that beating. At 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: he six nine, two fifty five. Lebron smart lasting duration. 78 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean even Michael Jordan Jordan career in my opinion, 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: could have been longer. He finished at the basket so much. 80 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: You know, duyne Wade did not age as well as Lebron. 81 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: Duyne Wade hit the floor a lot, another non great 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: perimeter shooter. Now d Wade's is thick. D Wade could 83 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: handle it. D Wade had a great career. But I 84 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: absolutely believe if d Wade was a better shooter attacked 85 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: the rim less regularly, he'd still be playing today. He 86 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: would have aged better. But in the end he kind 87 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: of fell apart. Look at Westbrook now, he's beat up, Walls, 88 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: beat up. My person at the end was beat up. 89 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: None were great shooters. So couldn't Morant develop into a 90 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: better shooter? Absolutely, and it would be the best thing 91 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: for him. But let's not deny We've never seen this. Oh, absolutely, 92 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: Derreck Rose was the most beloved player in the league. 93 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: Dude that one hundred million dollars shoe deal and wasn't 94 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: playing he was so beat up. Is John Morant better 95 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: than Derreck Rose, There's no guarantee of that. There's no 96 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: guarantee of that. Derrick Rose was the MVP, spectacular, high flying, 97 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: didn't have a great jumper, had to finish at the 98 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: rim and how did it go? This is not an 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: anti Ja Morant rant. It's an anti little guy attacking 100 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: the rim. He's currently number two in the NBA in 101 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: scoring in the paint, number two to a center. Can't 102 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: last doing that. At some point you gotta pull up, 103 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: You gotta distribute, gotta let others score at the rim. 104 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: A lot of different reports out there about Aaron Rodgers 105 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: wanting fifty million dollars and people saying, wow, I mean Aaron, 106 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: Aaron denying it. This is just listen. First of all, 107 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: the best quarterback went every division last year. Increasingly the 108 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: rules are telling you if you don't have a star 109 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: quarterback or the second best quarterback in your division, you're 110 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: not going to be a playoff team. Things that are 111 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: interesting in noteworthy though, people tell you what they care 112 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: about by their decisions. If you go back the last 113 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: twenty years in the NFL, think about this. Unless you 114 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: have a quarterback named Brady or Manning, you're not winning 115 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl if your quarterback is a top five 116 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: cap hit the exception Brady Peyton, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford. 117 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: This year was the ninth biggest cap pit. So if 118 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: you start looking at the players this year that we're 119 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: one through eight in cap hits, Russell Wilson fourth place, 120 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, disappointing, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Jimmy ge Big Band, 121 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: Derek Carr, Carson Wentz. What does it mean you can't 122 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: have that third great receiver, you can't have that second 123 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: top pass rusher. Maybe you're a week at center. Listen, 124 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm for guys making whatever they can. Well, Colin, Aaron's 125 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: not married to a supermodel. But Aaron also doesn't need 126 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: a forty million dollar house in a big expensive city. 127 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: He spends a million dollars probably to buy a little 128 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: place in Green Bay, not married, no kids. All the 129 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: money is his. Listen. We can make excuses. I'm for 130 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: pro athletes getting what they want, but I've said this 131 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson. People show you what they really need 132 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: or care about by their decisions. Hey, I love Troy 133 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: Aikman and I'm happy for him, and I text him 134 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: when he left, and he text me back. I've always 135 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: liked him, but he wanted to get paid more. He's 136 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: not going to get consistently as good at games leaving Fox. 137 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: We know that I worked at ESPN Monday Night Football. 138 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: If there's a lot of dogs in those games. And 139 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to have a broadcast partner 140 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: nearly as talented as Joe Buck. I don't hold it 141 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: against Troy Aikman. He's like, hey man, I've been doing 142 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: this a long time. It's time to go look around 143 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: the league. Look at what Amazon offers, Jean McVay, look 144 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: at what Tony Romo makes. Want to make some bank. 145 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: I got no problem with it. People tell you what 146 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: they want by their choices. And if Aaron Rodgers wants 147 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: to make fifty million, god love you. But last twenty years, 148 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: that kind of cap hit, it's not a super Bowl team. 149 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: Also saw a really interesting story Ali Marpet, a top five, 150 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: maybe better guard for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's retiring, 151 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: and I mean top five guard in the NFL, and 152 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: he's twenty eight years old. Excellent player. And what it 153 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: shows you is two things. 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I am a follower and a 203 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: frequent listener. So you had something very interesting the other day, 204 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: and I thought it was fascinating. It was NBA local 205 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: ratings and it told us a lot about the league. Okay, 206 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: there was a you know, you and I have talked 207 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: about ratings before, and let me start by saying, all 208 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: these leagues make their money. Everybody's dying for content. Hockey 209 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: has not only a huge Canadian television contract, but a 210 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: massive American TV contract, and virtually nobody watches it in 211 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: America at a national level, so people need content. But 212 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: what I found that was fascinating with it a golden state. 213 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: The Warriors had by far and away the largest number. 214 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Second was Cleveland without Lebron. At the bottom of the 215 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: list was Brooklyn full of stars, Clippers full of stars, 216 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: Lakers middle of the pack, though full of star ours. 217 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: Here is my takeaway on Cleveland is that Milwaukee was 218 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: also way up there, and so was Philadelphia, so it 219 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a market thing necessarily. Cleveland's on a major market Ethan. 220 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: My takeaway was we team and US matters. Yes that 221 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: if you have Darius Garland and young players Evan Mobley, 222 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: you can bring on a Jared Allen, but the audience 223 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 1: wants to feel connected to the players and they don't 224 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: when you bring in KD Kyrie Harden. That they were 225 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: next to last in ratings and the Cavaliers without Lebron 226 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: are a strong number two. That was my takeaway on 227 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: the list teams Milwaukee, Philadelphia, and BID's been there a 228 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: long time. Teams that feel cohesive, not only in the 229 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: locker room, put to their community. It's not as star 230 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: driven as we think. That was my interpretation, yours, that 231 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: is also my interpretation. And it doesn't matter if the 232 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: media has been lecturing so much of the public that 233 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: they shouldn't care and I'm going to get into a 234 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: broader media theory of how the NBA went wrong here 235 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: connected to this, But yes, I completely agree. People like familiarity, 236 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: They like feeling that they saw somebody grow up before 237 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: their eyes. There's a connection. It matters. You can't just 238 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: program people into loving teams they never loved before. Either. 239 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: If they never loved the Clippers, it's gonna be hard 240 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: for them to start loving the Clippers or the Nets 241 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: if they love the Knicks. But I think where the 242 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: NBA went wrong and how it promoted itself, it's a 243 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: funny quirk that I don't think anybody could have predicted. 244 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: I think what happened, Colin is that it became such 245 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: a fixation as to who breaks the news, and it 246 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: became a war woes versus shams that became the focus. Well, 247 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: the problem with that is this, you need age in 248 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: order to win that game. I'm not saying I could 249 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: win that game, by the way, I'm not looking down 250 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: my nose. I couldn't be that guy. It's not in 251 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: my skill set. But you need to do what agents 252 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: want in order for them to feed you. And so 253 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: the media members started talking from the perspective of agents, 254 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: and that's a problem because the perspective of agents is 255 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: at cross purposes with the perspective of fans. No fan 256 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: ever watched Drew Rosenhouse behind a podium explaining why a 257 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: star was in a holdout and thought, that's my guy. 258 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: He speak in my language. So I think in addition 259 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: to what you're saying, a lot of the promotion of 260 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: the sport got out of whack because it started to 261 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: be about this guy's unhappy. You should be sensitive. You 262 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't be mad at him because he failed you. He 263 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: wants out. Oh, he wants out again, And a lot 264 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: of people just changed the channel and they didn't want 265 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: a sport that featured a bunch of guys that really 266 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: were advertising no concern about them. You know. Through the years, 267 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: you are an NBA reporter. Through the years, I have 268 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: watched NFL reporters. They're all different. Glazer very connected to players. 269 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: He's not a volume reporter. It's more of a big 270 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: story guy. Schefter's a volume reporter. Peter King ignores the draft. 271 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: He's more of a storyteller. Ian Rappaport story breaker. Schreeger's 272 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: kind of occasional story breaker, but a contextualizer. And a 273 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: personality that all these NFL reporters have a lane. So 274 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: in the NBA, I'm sure that's the same, but it 275 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: does feel like Sham's woes and a lot of them 276 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: are story breakers, not as much contextualizers. Now correct me 277 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: on this. Give me five or six NBA reporters that 278 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: you would view similarity to my sort of labyrinth of 279 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: NFL guys how I Each one fills a different tunnel 280 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: in your experience with the NBA. Line them up, how 281 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: did you view them? So? I think Zach Lowe and 282 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: Kevin Arnovitz are just incredible at writing an article that 283 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: explains the NBA to you. I think Zach Lowe probably 284 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: the most valuable media member on the NBA side because 285 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: he can do so many things. He's gotten incredible versatility. 286 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: It's not just the writing, it's also the granular observation. 287 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: He's completely sourced up. He's also a good interviewer. He's 288 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: a direct interviewer, and so he's filling a variety of roles. 289 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: As far as getting him with the players in that 290 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: Jake Laser way, I would say Chris Haynes is really 291 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: good with that, so I would view him in that 292 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: capacity you mentioned the news breakers, and I'm probably offending 293 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: a lot of other people, but that's how people are 294 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: getting slotted in. And there are a lot of great storytellers, 295 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: to be sure, a lot of great writers. I just 296 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: don't think that the sport and especially ESPN, NBA has 297 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: been emphasizing what they do over the last few years. Yeah, 298 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the Woes thing is interesting because you 299 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: you spent some time on this and it got I 300 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: imagine if you looked at your numbers, it got good feedback. 301 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: Right that he didn't think the hardened Simmons trade would happen. 302 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: Woes is not wrong often, you know my takeaway on Woes. 303 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't know him. I've talked to him a couple 304 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: of times. You know. I had heard he could be 305 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: kind of territorial. I heard that ten years ago. He's 306 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: very he could be very territorial. So was Peter Vessey, 307 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, very combative. I don't think Woes is as combative. 308 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: But when you he could be. So you know him 309 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: better than I do. But but when you were critical 310 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: of Woes, what was the pushback? What did you hear 311 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: that maybe wasn't public? You know what's funny Colin about 312 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: what I do, and I've learned a lesson from it. 313 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't get any kind of pushback anymore. And it's 314 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: funny to me because back when I was at ESPN 315 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: or the Athletic I would get a lot of pushback. 316 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: You know, I say something about the NBA the NBA 317 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: doesn't like, I'm getting lit up. In a phone call, 318 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: I say something about a player that the player's agent 319 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: doesn't like, or somebody else in the team, I'm getting 320 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: lit up. And maybe some people are publicly critical now, 321 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: but I've learned a lesson that there's no real leverage 322 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: point when it comes to what I'm doing. And it's 323 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: taught me that the amount of pushback you get isn't 324 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: necessarily about how angry you make someone. It's about how 325 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: much they think their anger can influence the situation. And 326 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: so that didn't really happen. I got more people coming 327 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: to me and saying, hey, that's what I was thinking. 328 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: I can't say it. I would have gone further. And 329 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: I don't even think the criticism Colin is all that much. 330 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think that you're great at understanding this, 331 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: that people's strengths are indivisible from their weaknesses, right. I 332 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: think in order to be what Woes has become you, 333 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: you need to have just a burning competition within you. 334 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: You've got to be somewhat ruthless in the pursuit of 335 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: your goals. And I'm just looking at a thirty thousand 336 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: foot view and describing what's going on with the league, 337 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: how it's kind of messing with ESPN's coverage in a way, 338 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: and I'm just describing it as dryly as I can. 339 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: But as much as I would like to say, hey, 340 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: there was some sort of criticism that came to me 341 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: on it, it really has not happened. It really didn't 342 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: go that way. And maybe I'm just not reading enough 343 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: because frankly, I'm not on Twitter a lot. You still 344 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: get information despite not being in locker rooms nightly. I 345 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: am a believer that the one thing you can't change 346 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: with an athlete is indifference. You'll love the sport or 347 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: you'll love what the sport provides for you. I don't 348 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: buy Ben Simmons. I don't think he'll ever be solved. 349 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: I don't think he's competitive. I don't think he loves 350 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: the game. They've often said this about NBA centers. The 351 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: reason there's so many busts is because they were feed 352 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: eleven and seventh grade and basketball was just the easiest 353 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: thing for them to do. You know, Ben Simmons is 354 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: almost six to eleven and a guard. I don't think 355 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Ben Simmons thing is going to work. Using 356 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: your access, I've heard he's just not I've heard he's odd, 357 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: not a great guy, indifferent, doesn't love the game. What 358 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: do you make I think Harden and Philly is going 359 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: to work magically and quickly because I think he's just 360 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: one great player joining a very positive, optimistic, joyful locker room. 361 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: What do you hear about Simmons that maybe I haven't heard. 362 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: I just remember there was somebody in the league, a 363 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: player who met him, and the first question Simmons asked 364 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: him was what's the first car you bought when you 365 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: came to the NBA. And that caused this player to go, oh, oh, 366 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: that's not it's not a good sign that this rookie 367 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: is coming. And that's this is the first topic of conversation. 368 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: It's not what I need to get better at. You know, 369 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: how do I acclimate like that? That's the focus. Now 370 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: you could accuse me of over reading that or oversimplifying. 371 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: I think we have swung way too far in this 372 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: other direction. And you've called it safety ism, of almost 373 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: doubting our own instincts in media and trying not to 374 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: be critical in that way and not insinuate that a 375 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: guy has a lack of love for the game. But 376 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: I think that is an anecdote that reveals something, and 377 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: I agree with you. And maybe there are criticisms of 378 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: James Harden that he could be checked out or parties 379 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: too much or whatever. But the thing about James Harden 380 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: is he's a basketball genius. You know, he might not 381 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: ingratiate himself to you as a fan when he's flopping 382 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: and figuring out new and creative ways to get a 383 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: foul call. But you asked Quinn Snyder, coach of the Jazz, 384 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: and he will speak reverently because he's had the game 385 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: plan against James Harden and figure out all kinds of 386 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 1: ways to stop him, and the guy just always seems 387 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: to solve the puzzle. You know, he didn't solve the 388 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: against those great Warriors teams, but it's a hell of 389 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: a problem to solve. But Hardens a basketball genius he's 390 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: MVP level and if you want to talk about the 391 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: intermedia game and how it influences the reporting. In the 392 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: aftermath of that trade, it almost seemed like NBA media 393 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: was saying, hey, it's pretty even. I like Ben Simmons 394 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: is a fit. I think that has a lot to 395 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: do with James Harden not having an agent and Ben 396 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: Simmons being represented by one of the most powerful agencies 397 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: that that was. Even the ruling on that trade, I 398 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: believe has something to do with it. All Right, we 399 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: have him at the Volume. He's the host of Boxing 400 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: with Chris Mannox, the podcast on the Volume. He's spectacular 401 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: and also you get a lot of free money with 402 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: him and his boxing bets. But today we're talking NBA hoops. 403 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: Senior NBA writer for Sports Illustrated. So I've watched Harden 404 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: an MBID twice and i watched the whole game. I'd 405 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: say about nine percent today with the Sixers. So my 406 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: takeaway is it's much easier to bring one talented player, 407 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: albeit sometimes disengaged, one quality, high end Hall of Fame 408 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: player into a joyful chemistry and beads having an MVP year, 409 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: you know Max's gonna have to scoot over a little bit. 410 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: But I mean it's a good team, good chemistry, and 411 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: I thought it would work fairly quickly. Now I'm not 412 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: gonna make I thought the ball movement today was fantastic. 413 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: It is the next I'll get I'll get to Brooklyn 414 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: in a second, but I'll tell you two games in 415 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: and these aren't great teams. But what I watched today, 416 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: I felt like Harden was incredibly comfortable. He was happy, 417 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: not always the case, you know, and beats a remarkable player. 418 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: But it esthetically, I'm like, kind of works. Now. Tobias 419 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: Harris isn't doing much. Is he the odd man out? 420 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: But it kind of works, right, I think it works. 421 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: I think it will work extremely well this season. It 422 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: might even then work to the point where they win 423 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: a championship. Because you use the word happy with Harden, 424 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: and with him, that's always kind of the operative term. 425 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: You know, when he's happy, he plays really well. Like 426 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: you know, there were times during his partnership with Russell 427 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: Westbrook that they look dynamic together. You go back to 428 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: last season in the brief whatever two hundred minutes that 429 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: Durant Irving and Harden played together, they worked really well 430 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: and a big reason was because Harden came into that 431 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: situation determined to make it work, like he was going 432 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: to find a way to make sure he fit in 433 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: opposite Kyrie irving to make sure he'd become more of 434 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: a playmaker. He saw shots per game go down in 435 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: that first season in Brooklyn, and I expect him to 436 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: do that over the course of this season. Not only 437 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: you know again and you're right, it's you know, Minnesota 438 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: and the Knicks, and we'll see when they play one 439 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 1: of the top tier teams, but I expect him to 440 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: be deferential to Joel MB, to try to be the 441 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: one a to his one. I expect him to do 442 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: everything he can do to make sure that Tyrese Maxie 443 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: doesn't skip a beat. What I worry about with Harden 444 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: is year two and year three, and what happens if 445 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: MB goes down with an injury Like this is the 446 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: risk of James Harden, Like, if you're gonna tie yourself 447 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: to a player and commit two hundred and seventy million 448 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 1: dollars to him, he's a risky guy to do that 449 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: with because he's proven in back to back stops that 450 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: when he doesn't get his way, regardless of contract situation, 451 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: he can throw the kind of tantrum that'll get him 452 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: kind of pushed out of town. So look, I think 453 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna be excellent this year. Maybe maybe they don't 454 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: win a championship, but I can see that team in 455 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference finals and with a lot of momentum 456 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: going into next year. But next year worries me. Year 457 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: three worries me. How this player operates, you know, once 458 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: he gets a little more comfortable in the surroundings, that 459 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: decides he wants to be the guy once again. That 460 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: would worry me. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. He's obviously 461 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: a high maintenance guy, and I mean, listen, Aaron Rodgers. 462 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: I mean, look at his NFL career. There's a lot 463 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: of drama, you know, calling out front office people, weekly 464 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: press conferences, stirring people up with his vaccination status. But 465 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: I also think, I mean, I can live with a 466 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: lot of that maintenance. Here's where I would defend Harden 467 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: over a Kyrie Irving. The Houston situation was untenable, but 468 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: it was kind of a mess. I don't think Harden's 469 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: the easiest guard to play with if you're a guard, 470 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: but I would make the argument that and Bead's the 471 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: first great center he's played with, Like he shouldn't have 472 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: been deferential to Clint Capella, like you know. And so 473 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: when I look at Harden, I'm like, like I get 474 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: him looking at and beat and saying okay, shit, I 475 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: got shack okay, because I think he sees himself and 476 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: rightly so like an Aaron Rodgers sees himself as sort 477 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: of you know above about ninety eight percent of the players, 478 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: I think Brooklyn would have worked. I always felt Kyrie 479 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: was the issue. I mean, when you started saying the 480 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: world is flat, your vaccination status going, you know, sage 481 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: in the locker room, you could have reported that somebody 482 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: reports that I don't feel Harden's weird. I feel James 483 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: is high maintenance and I can live with a little 484 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: bit of that. I mean, that's my takeaway that Kyrie's 485 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: a different bird altogether here, Like I'm not sure Kyrie 486 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: is workable anywhere. Well you might be right about that, 487 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: and you know, we'll get to the nets. But if 488 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: this season goes off the skids, he's gonna bear the 489 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: blame for, you know, detonating the championship hopes of maybe 490 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: three franchises through Cleveland and Boston into that mix where 491 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: where I worry about Harden and maybe you're right that 492 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, you play with a big like Joel Embiid 493 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he sees his shock and 494 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: he sees the opportunit tunity to win championships. But he 495 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: can be Kobe. He could be. But I'm old enough 496 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: to remember Colin last year when you know, he was saying, 497 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, I understand it's not just about you know, numbers. 498 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: For me, it's about you know, winning at the stage 499 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: of my career and my problem with Brooklyn. And maybe 500 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: you can't foresee what is now happening in New York 501 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: where the mayor is all but saying that after March seventh, 502 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: Kyrie will be able to return. But he didn't really 503 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: give it much of a chance. I mean, you know, 504 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant goes down, the going gets tough, and James 505 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: Harden like quite literally gets going, like that's he decided 506 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: he'd had and that that's my big issue. Like and again, 507 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it happens this year, Like I think 508 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: this year is great all smiles, I mean, hell, At 509 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: one point, Jimmy Butler and Joel Embiid were all smiles. 510 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler and Ben Simmons were all smiles. Like you 511 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 1: can work in the short term, but what about like 512 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: next January, like a game against yeah, Minnesota, playing Minnesota 513 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: again this time next year, And what about when Joel 514 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: embiad sees Hard and dribble eighteen seconds off the shot 515 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: clock to go to the basket and fling something at 516 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: the rim like you know, and bead like a demonstrative guy, 517 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: Like you think he's just gonna kind of put his 518 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: head down and run back. He's in a way, he's 519 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: like Shack in that respect. He's not going to keep 520 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: his opinions or his feelings to himself. That's what worries 521 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: me when those two clash. And I just believe it's inevitable. 522 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean, on paper, five years of James Hard and 523 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: Joel and bad that should guarantee you deep playoff runs 524 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: and at least one championship during that stretch. But you know, 525 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: year two when these guys start to these two and 526 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: I forget where they rank in the NBA, but top 527 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: five ish, you know, in terms of ball dominancy there, 528 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: in terms of having in her hands, like I wonder 529 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: what happens at that point. You know, twice Lebron a 530 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: ditch Ohio for the more glamorous aqua water of Miami 531 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: in la And now they've got these really good young players. 532 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Darius car Land has been sensational. They made 533 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: a nice move to get Jared Allen Lavert, They've got 534 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: Sexton was hurt, but he averaged like twenty three twenty 535 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: four last year. You start looking at their young players 536 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: and you're like, man, this is an ascending team. They're 537 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: like fun. And I said the joy I said, I'm 538 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: Dan Gilbert, I'm that GM. When Lebron came out and said, hey, 539 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: I haven't closed the door on Cleveland, and I said, 540 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: who said it was open? I do not believe. And 541 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: I their ratings Chris are the second highest locally in 542 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: the league. This city loves these young players, Like if 543 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: Lebron's camp calls it, I'll come back. I'm like, how 544 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: many how many times can you get burned? I don't 545 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: believe they make a move like I think the door 546 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: is closed. I think Cleveland, next to the Warriors, they 547 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: are the most watched local basketball team professionally in America. 548 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't think they take Lebron's calls. Again, I sound 549 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: like a loon, But what do you make of it? 550 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: If they didn't, they are crazy. I'm equivocally crazy. You 551 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: know this is that like this? So I experienced this 552 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: right living in Boston, I cover a lot of the 553 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: Celtics games. What was it the eighteen playoffs when they 554 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: had that magical run Gordon Hayward goes down in his 555 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: first year, seventeen playoffs. Think it was Gordon Hayward goes down. 556 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: They rattle off eighteen wins in a row, whatever it was. 557 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: After the injury, Kyrie Irving goes down and Terry Row's year, 558 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, teenagers early twenties somethings pushed the Cavaliers, 559 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, to seven games in the conference finals, and 560 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: everybody's like, wow, this young team is great. It's gonna 561 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: be great for a long time. That was the honeymoon year. 562 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: That's what Cleveland's in right now. The Cleveland Cavaliers and 563 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: the Charlotte Hornets are in the honeymoon year where they 564 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: can do no wrong. You know, if they get bounced 565 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: in four games in the playoffs, nobody will care because wow, 566 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: wasn't that team fund to watch. Everybody's watching. In year two, 567 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: expectations are ratcheted up. So great year this year, Darius Garland, 568 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: Evan Mobley, Jared Allen do it and then some next year. 569 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: You better get to the second round of the playoffs. 570 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: Next year, you better get to the conference finals. And 571 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: that's hard to do, and it's going to be hard 572 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: to do for the next three or four years as 573 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: long as Milwaukee's at the top, Philadelphia is at the top, 574 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: Brooklyn is dynamic. Look, I love all those calves you mentioned. 575 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put them as favorites to beat any of 576 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: the teams that I just mentioned. Now you add Lebron 577 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: into that mix, even with all the baggage he brings 578 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: with him, all the drama he brings with him, you 579 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: become a championship contender. Where the Calves have a different 580 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: level of power here is that they're not the seller 581 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: dwellers they were back when Lebron came back the first time. 582 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: They can dictate some of the terms that Lebron James 583 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: comes out in a way. They you know, he needs 584 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: them more than they need him in that situation, but 585 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: they do need him. They do because you go into 586 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: next year, and this team goes on like a four 587 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: or five game losing streak, and all of a sudden, it's, oh, 588 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: maybe Garland was kind of a fluke. Maybe it wasn't 589 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: that good. Maybe Chary Down Evan Mobley don't work together. 590 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: Maybe two seven footer doesn't work. Maybe this lowry marketing experiment, 591 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: which I can't believe has actually worked for them this year. 592 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not good to have three seven footers basically 593 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: on your front line. That's when the criticism comes in. 594 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: So you know, it's perfume and roses around the Cavaliers. 595 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: Right now, it's all good with what Cleveland's doing right now. 596 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: But next year, if they don't make that jump, the 597 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: criticism will come. And if you have an opportunity, whether 598 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: it's via trade next season, which i'd love to see 599 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: them do, I'd love to see them try to package 600 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: Colin Sexton, draft capital, lowry marketing, whatever it is to 601 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: try to extract Lebron from LA. But if it's next 602 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: season or after that, they better aggressively pursue Lebron James. 603 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: To me, it's basketball malpractice if they don't aggressively pursue 604 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: Lebron James. Okay, so I'll throw this out to you, 605 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: so the Lakers brand could withstand trading Lebron. And if 606 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: Cleveland was a suitor, you say, okay, we want Evan 607 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: Mowbley played at USC We're taking him. At that point, 608 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: if you have Garland Jared Allen, you have size with 609 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: Garlands and Garden, but you have size with Jared Allen. 610 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 1: I want Evan Mowbley your next three number one picks. 611 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: I throw somebody else in and make it. I can 612 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: make it a salary. Wise, I'd have to make it 613 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: a three team deal. I'd have to get some veteran 614 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 1: right hope, maybe in a expiring contract, whatever it is. 615 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: But my takeaway is I think the Lakers would deal 616 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: him back to our initial Lebron story. I don't think 617 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: this city is desperate. I don't think the Lakers. You know, 618 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: I heard this years ago about Peyton Manning. Jim Ursay 619 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: loved him, but he's like, when you get a quarterback 620 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: as big as Peyton or Farv or Brady, they take 621 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: the franchise from you, Like Genie Buss. There's a sense, 622 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 1: and you know, the contacts I have with the Lakers, 623 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: they're not going to do that. They're not giving Lebron 624 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: this franchise. And I do think if you gave them 625 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: Mobley multiple picks some other high amby player breaker, do 626 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: you I'm not, No way are they getting Evan Mobley? Okay, 627 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: because that to me, that's where I'd make the deal. Yeah. 628 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't make the deal though, was Cleveland If 629 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: I'm asked to through Evan Mobley at the mix, I 630 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: mean Evan Mobley Like you can see kind of the 631 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: game by next year, Say what, I think he could 632 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: be a twenty five game? Oh yeah, next year. He's 633 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: a D. Like he's a D. He's the second coming 634 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: of a D and maybe in a weird way, potentially 635 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: a little bit better defensively. I mean his his contest numbers. No, 636 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: you could get kind of in the weeds with advanced 637 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: stats sometimes. But the shots he contest on the perimeter 638 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: for a seven foot or or wild, like he gets 639 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: everything defensively and changes shots from everywhere in the floor. 640 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. I would say to the Lakers, like, 641 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,959 Speaker 1: you can get a couple of first round draft pick. Sure. 642 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: Colin Sexton's only what like twenty three years old, has 643 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: been a twenty point per game score lowry marketing is 644 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: just filler takes. I look, it's not calling, it's it's 645 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: not good. But you know, the Lakers can't just, you know, 646 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: put Lebron out there on the trade block. I mean, 647 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: I guess they could, but there's only a finite number 648 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: of teams he's really going to accept a deal to. 649 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: Like Denver would one hundred percent make a run at 650 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: him if the Lakers tried to deal him. But outside 651 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: of a couple of teams, they're not going to trade 652 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: for Lebron because of everything that kind of comes with 653 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: Lebron Cleveland. You know they would, or at least you 654 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: think they would, and it would make sense for both sides, 655 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: But you can't. Evan, if I'm Kobe Altman, I hang 656 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: up the phone. I don't even touch back. I don't 657 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: reply to the email. I don't are they still faxing nowadays? 658 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't set a facts back nothing. I do nothing 659 00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: that involves Evan Mobiley playing for another team. Make sure 660 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: to check out the Draymond Green Show. I brought Draymond 661 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: Green into the volume because one of the more entertaining 662 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: voices in sports, unique perspective understands behind the rope. Also 663 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: chops up with guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. 664 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,479 Speaker 1: Make sure download The Draymond Green Show wherever you get 665 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: your podcasts, only on the Volume podcast Network. All right, 666 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: let's bring in my buddy Mike Silver, who's got all 667 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: sorts of shit today. I mean it's loaded. He senting 668 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: me picks of Matt Naggie and Bruce Arians. Okay, we 669 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: gotta start with this. So you were the first person 670 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: a year ago, and this is hard to do with 671 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: social media to take an unpopular decision for a beloved player. 672 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: I took one today. When I say about John Morant, 673 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: I've seen it before. It's called Derrick Rose Westbrook and 674 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: John Wall great highlights, young, fascinating, twitchy, super athletic, doesn't 675 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: shoot particularly well yet attacks the basket and it will 676 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: not last. He will get hurt, and nobody wants to 677 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: hear that. A year ago, you said Kyler Marie's difficult, 678 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 1: he's not a great teammate, he's not a good leader. 679 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: He's just amazing, and there are people that push back 680 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: on that. Well, today, Greg Jennings on My show said, 681 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald told me they rolled out the red carpet 682 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: too early and his personality changed. And this is essentially 683 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: what you reported a year ago. So congrats to you. 684 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: And now let's segue to this. I did not like 685 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: what Eric Berthart did. I understand he's an agent. I 686 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: thought it was clunky and transparent. What do you think 687 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: Arizona does? Well, it's atter stay. First of all, I 688 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: can report because I am at the combine and I'm 689 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: seeing lots of people, I can report to you that 690 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: nobody has called the Cardinals in the more than twenty 691 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: four hours since that all Caps statement landed. Nobody has 692 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: even poked around and said, hey, would you guys trade them? 693 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: And I was shocked. I said I would call if 694 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: I were another team, and there's a lot of teams 695 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 1: that he'd be a big upgrade, right, you know, nobody 696 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: has even poked around. Now I'm ninety nine point nine 697 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 1: percent sure that those calls would be met by We're 698 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: not trading them, don't you know, don't even bother. But 699 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that the overtures haven't been made because there's 700 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: so many teams that need a quarterback. Yeah, you know, listen, 701 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: I first of all, yeah, it's business and agents will 702 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: do what agents to do. I thought the statement could 703 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: have been a lot shorter as an editor. I'm not 704 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: an editor of a writer, but I would have said, 705 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, hey, we want more money than they're offering. 706 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: That's a quicker way that, you know it, probably without 707 00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: the all caps instead of the menu. Yeah. Yeah, So 708 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: you've got to understand context, right. Chuck Poganto was a 709 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: very successful coach of the coult early on, and he 710 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: wanted a contract extension and it was time for him 711 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: to get a little more body on paper. But he 712 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: went in the day after they lost the AFC Championship 713 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: game to the New England Patriots forty five to three 714 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: and said to the owner, Jim ver, say, hey, what's 715 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: up with my contract? And it did not go well. 716 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: You know, Kyler Murray just had not just a bad 717 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: playoff performance, but a bad body language playoff performance. And 718 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: we've talked about Aaron Rodgers body language, how you felt 719 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 1: about that in the playoffs, We've talked about Jake Copler, 720 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: we talked about Cam in the past. This was a 721 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: bad body language. And by the way, when you're getting 722 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: murder or obliterated in an elimination game and your quarterback 723 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: we know at the very least is faster than everyone 724 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: on the field, and he's not even trying to run. 725 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: That's a weird signal to give your Yes, you know 726 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 1: your team he read twice in that game. Okay, I 727 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 1: don't look by the way, none of his teammates have 728 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: come out and defended him since his agent released that statement. 729 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: Not one right and listen, I don't get I try 730 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: not to worry about the drama as much. In these 731 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: contract things, it's always leverage. It's always business. We've been 732 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: through it on our end. We know it's you know, 733 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: you could take a lot of things personally. At the 734 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: end of the day, it's business. The agent releasing the 735 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: statement is business. The Cardinals saying yeah, whatever, we will 736 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: pick up your option and we control your rights. I 737 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: do think the most likely scenario is he comes back 738 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: and plays and they try to patch it up. But 739 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: I'll go into this year the same way I went 740 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: into last year, which I said to you publicly, which 741 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: was I'm worried that if Figs start to go a 742 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: little bad, we could have a big tailspin here. On 743 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,800 Speaker 1: the other hand, they might be like last year and 744 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: start out what were they seven and I mean they 745 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: were great early and then it'll be Kincliffe and Kyler fitish. Um. 746 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: You know they did lose Hopkins. That changed some things. 747 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: Bad playoff performance has happened, and people bounce back from him. 748 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: But um, I I want to say, they have no 749 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: reason to blink. They could even not extend him and 750 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: he'll come back and play. He loves you know, I 751 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: think he loves being the quarterback on game day at 752 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: least and sort you know, when he's in the facility. 753 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: I think he loves it. I'm like some guys, so 754 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to say, oh, he has no work ethic. 755 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: He works. He's just not one of those from what 756 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: I've heard, live it, breathe it, eat it. Russell Wilson, 757 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, Peyton Manning guys, which is okay, he's a 758 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: young guy. But I think it'll probably you know, I 759 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: think all these quarterback situations will probably work out. Russell 760 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: Wilson in the sea, still murky and weird, probably work 761 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: out for another year. Aaron and green Bay. The people 762 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm with, packer people, former packer people, people who know him. 763 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: I think he's going back to green Bay. Des Deshaal 764 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: get traded, but you know, Derek Carr will probably stay. 765 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: You know, Kirk Cousins will probably stay. But I'm not 766 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: a hundred percent convinced because if Kyler really wants to 767 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: dig in and say, okay, fine go into the season 768 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,879 Speaker 1: with Brett Hudley or whoever it is as your guy, 769 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: he could do that. And he is a baseball player 770 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: who got drafted very high. Yeah, I had an NFL 771 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl pass rusher tell me a year ago, Kyler 772 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: Marie does not like to get hit, and he thinks 773 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: he'll leave for baseball in the next three or four years. 774 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,879 Speaker 1: That was somebody who hit him, he said, Colin, I've 775 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 1: hit Russell Wilson, I hit Aaron Rodgers. He's like that 776 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: kid doesn't like to get hit. I mean, I get it. 777 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,879 Speaker 1: I would not like to get hit. I don't think. 778 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't think most quarterbacks like to get hit. But 779 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: some tolerated or fake it better or hang in longer. 780 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, if baseball is an option. Look, 781 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got kids. I would love to see 782 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: my kid be an Austin NFL player, But if my 783 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: kid could also go play baseball instead, I like football better. 784 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: I think the football sexy year but I'd be a 785 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: lot less worried about his well being. I get it. 786 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: So Arian says he won't help Tom Brady out of retirement. 787 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: He said, I want five number ones. And it's funny, 788 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 1: like I think people will read that and go, oh, 789 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: bad blood. And my takeaway is, well, why would you 790 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 1: help out Brady? Like, I'm sorry, but it's competitive league. 791 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,439 Speaker 1: There's an inter murals, well, well, I mean, I think 792 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, Ba. We love him for his authenticity and 793 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: his willingness to speak plainly. But in this case, you know, 794 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: sometimes these things are leverage plays. And I think this 795 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: would be the case if you if Tom Brady came 796 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: to Jason Light and Bruce Arians, it said, listed man, 797 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: we had two great years. I came here. We want 798 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 1: a super Bowl. We competed for another. They're gonna put 799 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,760 Speaker 1: your names at the rig of Honor someday and mine 800 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: I've always wanted to, you know, go home and play 801 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers, or own a team and 802 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: be a part owner of the Dolphins or whatever it is. 803 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you just say yes, but there's a 804 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 1: harmic case to be made. Like I came and honored 805 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: by end and you know, at at the age of 806 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: forty four, right or forty five won a Super Bowl, 807 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: So I think it could work out. But I would 808 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: agree just leverage wise, the play is, don't just say yeah, 809 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: we'll let Tom out make It's the same thing as 810 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: the Saints. Like if Sean really wants to go coach 811 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: the Cowboys and Jerry Jones really wants him, he's not 812 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: coming back to coach the Saints. But I don't think 813 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,879 Speaker 1: the Saints are like, oh cool, here you go take 814 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: them for a seven, right. I mean again, I think 815 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,399 Speaker 1: Fox wants me to succeed in life. There are limits, right, 816 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: like going out and competing against them in the market. 817 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: They got limits right right At the Volume Sports, Twitter, Instagram, 818 00:47:30,719 --> 00:48:00,800 Speaker 1: go to our YouTube page at the Volume Sports. Subscribe 819 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: the Volume