WEBVTT - David Marcus - How Wokeness Ruins the Arts 0:00:11.657 --> 0:00:14.937 You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.937 --> 0:00:17.577 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeart Radio app 0:00:17.857 --> 0:00:21.017 or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to 0:00:21.057 --> 0:00:24.337 another episode of The Buck Sexton Show. I have my 0:00:24.497 --> 0:00:28.977 friend David Marcus joining us now. David Marcus is a 0:00:28.977 --> 0:00:31.977 calumnist for a whole bunch of places. You probably get 0:00:31.977 --> 0:00:36.217 the News, Daily Mail, New York Post, Spectator. He's a 0:00:36.257 --> 0:00:38.257 writer and he has a lot of thoughts and a 0:00:38.257 --> 0:00:40.217 lot of things. He's with us now. David, great to 0:00:40.217 --> 0:00:45.177 have you back. Thanks for having me. Man. So how 0:00:45.217 --> 0:00:47.417 are we? How are we doing with this whole saving 0:00:47.417 --> 0:00:50.337 the country thing these days? On the right? How's the 0:00:50.337 --> 0:00:56.497 whole conservative project chugging along at this point? You know, 0:00:56.577 --> 0:01:00.817 I have a lot of optimism for it, honestly, maybe 0:01:00.857 --> 0:01:03.657 more than a lot of people do on the right. 0:01:04.897 --> 0:01:07.177 Part of what I do, a big part of what 0:01:07.217 --> 0:01:10.457 I do is try to look at try to anallize 0:01:10.537 --> 0:01:13.697 and look at what's happening on the right. I don't 0:01:13.697 --> 0:01:16.777 really take a lot of sides. I just want to know, like, 0:01:16.897 --> 0:01:19.937 where are we? And I do think that when you 0:01:19.977 --> 0:01:22.657 look at some of the things that for example, governors 0:01:22.697 --> 0:01:26.417 de Santists and young ken are doing with education in 0:01:26.457 --> 0:01:32.417 Florida and Virginia. When you look at I think Kevin 0:01:32.457 --> 0:01:36.897 McCarthy sort of proving some of his critics, if not wrong, 0:01:37.017 --> 0:01:41.577 at least reassuring them that he was going to be 0:01:41.617 --> 0:01:46.177 a different kind of leader for Republicans. I do think 0:01:46.177 --> 0:01:50.937 there's a lot to be optimistic about. Well, that's good news. 0:01:51.897 --> 0:01:54.337 That's I don't sorry to be the best, sorry to 0:01:54.337 --> 0:01:56.417 be the bearer of good news. No, I was gonna say. 0:01:56.417 --> 0:02:00.057 And I feel like that's that's encouraging. Obviously, everyone's gearing 0:02:00.137 --> 0:02:03.937 up for some kind of a Hulk versus the thing 0:02:04.097 --> 0:02:08.417 throw down between Trump and Desantists, and I keep telling everybody, 0:02:08.577 --> 0:02:12.257 you know, we we have all these expectations that don't 0:02:12.337 --> 0:02:15.177 end up coming true. In politics, maybe it it'd be 0:02:15.177 --> 0:02:18.017 best to one be humble about what we can and 0:02:18.057 --> 0:02:21.857 cannot predict, and to just watch events as they as 0:02:21.897 --> 0:02:26.297 they play out, instead of assuming that everything is set 0:02:26.377 --> 0:02:29.977 long before it actually happens. And you know, I think 0:02:29.977 --> 0:02:33.417 the midterm elections were an exercise in that at some level. 0:02:33.857 --> 0:02:36.817 But I also feel like on the right, you know, 0:02:36.857 --> 0:02:40.417 we look at polls, for example, we look at so 0:02:40.457 --> 0:02:44.417 many people are dissatisfied with Joe Biden, with the economy 0:02:44.617 --> 0:02:46.977 right now, and you know the state of the Union 0:02:47.537 --> 0:02:52.137 that Biden has has done this week, but yet they 0:02:52.177 --> 0:02:54.777 still vote for him, right, I mean, this is this 0:02:54.857 --> 0:02:56.697 is where I think. And I know people say, oh, 0:02:56.737 --> 0:02:59.577 eighty million people didn't vote for Biden. Just there are 0:02:59.577 --> 0:03:02.857 a lot of really really devoted Democrats out there who 0:03:02.857 --> 0:03:04.977 are lunatics who'll vote for Joe Biden. Folks, Okay, there 0:03:05.297 --> 0:03:06.377 are a lot of them. I don't I don't know 0:03:06.457 --> 0:03:10.577 how many exactly, but there are a lot of them. Yeah, listen. 0:03:10.577 --> 0:03:12.977 You know, it was interesting a couple days after the 0:03:13.057 --> 0:03:17.497 mid terms when it seemed like once again, the entire 0:03:17.617 --> 0:03:20.817 National Review, right, and I love National Review. I've written 0:03:20.817 --> 0:03:22.297 for them. I think I think they do a really 0:03:22.337 --> 0:03:25.857 good job. But this whole crowd was like, okay, this 0:03:25.937 --> 0:03:28.137 is the end of Trump. Right. I thought they were 0:03:28.137 --> 0:03:30.657 going to do another one of these like never Trump, Okay, 0:03:30.657 --> 0:03:32.897 now we all have to get behind desantists. And this 0:03:32.937 --> 0:03:36.057 is what I said, slow your role, guys, like like, 0:03:37.097 --> 0:03:41.257 this is this is not how this works. And I 0:03:41.297 --> 0:03:46.897 spoke to a couple of guys at a bar pub 0:03:47.177 --> 0:03:50.097 restaurant in Brooklyn's a place called the Salty Dog, which 0:03:50.257 --> 0:03:53.257 if you're ever in Bay Ridge, it's great. And they 0:03:53.257 --> 0:03:56.857 were both Trump voters who do exist in Brooklyn, and 0:03:56.937 --> 0:03:59.537 I asked them very specifically, I said, what do you 0:03:59.577 --> 0:04:03.497 want to see? Do you want to see the establishment 0:04:03.617 --> 0:04:05.737 and the donors and the elite sort of put their 0:04:05.817 --> 0:04:09.497 thumb on the scale for desantist because we don't think 0:04:09.497 --> 0:04:13.017 Trump is actable? Or do you want to just have 0:04:13.097 --> 0:04:17.257 the fair fight? And these guys were open to de Santis, 0:04:17.297 --> 0:04:20.457 but they said they want the fair fight. Right. That's 0:04:20.497 --> 0:04:23.577 the key. Everyone's worried, like, oh, Trump's voters are you know, 0:04:23.617 --> 0:04:25.537 He's going to run third party and they're going to 0:04:25.617 --> 0:04:28.417 go away. I think that's far less likely if the 0:04:28.497 --> 0:04:31.617 voters understand that we just get to make a choice, 0:04:31.657 --> 0:04:34.177 as opposed to, as The New York Times reported this week, 0:04:34.417 --> 0:04:38.577 the Koch brothers saying We're gonna consolidate behind an alternative. 0:04:39.217 --> 0:04:42.737 People think it's I think it's strange, you know, because 0:04:42.937 --> 0:04:46.097 there definitely is a I think it's probably a small 0:04:46.097 --> 0:04:49.657 but loud minority within the right, but there are definitely 0:04:49.657 --> 0:04:53.697 people who take this position of you're supposed to know 0:04:54.777 --> 0:04:59.577 now who you want to be the presidential nominee and 0:04:59.657 --> 0:05:03.057 to this, and they think it's it's being a you know, 0:05:03.097 --> 0:05:05.737 a whimp or a fencitter or something like this. And 0:05:05.777 --> 0:05:09.417 I sit here and say, well, I knew in twenty 0:05:09.457 --> 0:05:13.857 sixteen that the nominee was supposed to be Ted Cruz 0:05:14.217 --> 0:05:17.977 or Marco Rubio or Ben Carson or you know, right, 0:05:18.017 --> 0:05:21.217 I mean what you know ain't so over the course 0:05:21.257 --> 0:05:24.657 of a primary, I realized over the course of that 0:05:24.657 --> 0:05:26.457 primary was like, oh my gosh, it is gonna be Trump. 0:05:26.457 --> 0:05:29.217 He's got something special, he's saying something special. There's something 0:05:29.257 --> 0:05:34.577 different here, and I don't understand. Well, maybe understanding isn't 0:05:34.617 --> 0:05:36.337 with the right question a right way to approach it. 0:05:36.377 --> 0:05:38.137 But I think that there are a lot of people 0:05:38.897 --> 0:05:42.977 that want want us all to forget that there's a 0:05:43.057 --> 0:05:46.737 nomination process for a reason. That the fight, that the battle, 0:05:46.777 --> 0:05:50.737 that the back and forth, the conversation, the debate in 0:05:50.777 --> 0:05:53.297 front of the American people between people that want the 0:05:53.337 --> 0:05:55.817 most powerful job in the world is part of the 0:05:55.817 --> 0:05:57.977 process and a good thing. And it is okay to 0:05:57.977 --> 0:06:01.657 say I want to see this play out. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:06:01.737 --> 0:06:05.337 And I think that you know, when you get off 0:06:05.377 --> 0:06:08.297 of Twitter and when you get, you know, as I have, 0:06:08.417 --> 0:06:12.057 notwithstanding my background recently, you know, gotten out of New 0:06:12.137 --> 0:06:14.937 York City. Right when you get out of like the 0:06:15.057 --> 0:06:20.177 places where the pundents stomp the terra, one of the 0:06:20.217 --> 0:06:23.817 things that you realize is that electability is a big 0:06:23.857 --> 0:06:26.337 deal on Twitter. It's not a big deal in the 0:06:26.417 --> 0:06:33.817 minds of American voters. Even in primaries, right, voters don't say, well, 0:06:33.897 --> 0:06:37.217 I'm going to make you know, I'm playing Monopoly here 0:06:37.217 --> 0:06:39.657 and I'm going to make the smartest choice and try 0:06:39.697 --> 0:06:43.137 to you know, game the system. No, they like somebody. 0:06:44.337 --> 0:06:47.417 They say, oh, this guy says stuff that I like. 0:06:48.017 --> 0:06:51.177 I want this guy. And even if they were trying 0:06:51.177 --> 0:06:53.737 to game the system and say, well, what's the electability game, 0:06:54.017 --> 0:06:56.457 they're likely to land on other people are going to 0:06:56.577 --> 0:07:00.617 like what I like. Right, So we can all tweet about, like, 0:07:01.017 --> 0:07:03.217 you know, the polls and this and that. But at 0:07:03.257 --> 0:07:05.657 the end of the day, voters really say, does this 0:07:05.697 --> 0:07:09.697 guy or woman you know means something to me? It? 0:07:09.817 --> 0:07:12.457 Is it yogi berra? Who is credit with it? And 0:07:12.537 --> 0:07:14.497 over to the fat ladies sings is that right? I 0:07:14.737 --> 0:07:16.737 don't know who? Or is that just a phrase that 0:07:16.777 --> 0:07:19.017 everybody is I know, he's deja vu all over again, 0:07:19.057 --> 0:07:22.217 which of course is a pretty funny little he was, Yeah, yeah, 0:07:22.257 --> 0:07:24.577 he was definitely that. I don't know if it's it 0:07:24.577 --> 0:07:27.537 in over to the fat ladies sings um. This is 0:07:27.577 --> 0:07:30.897 also something that I think in politics is pretty funny 0:07:30.937 --> 0:07:33.817 that we keep having to relearn this. And I just 0:07:33.817 --> 0:07:35.857 wouldn't mean this even in general. It goes beyond party. 0:07:35.897 --> 0:07:38.937 We have to relearn the same lessons because we talk 0:07:39.017 --> 0:07:43.577 about things like electability. And you know, this is going 0:07:43.617 --> 0:07:46.977 to sound so ridiculous, but I do think it's an 0:07:46.977 --> 0:07:50.337 important reminder. You know, who's electable the person who wins. Right, 0:07:50.617 --> 0:07:52.777 It never always goes, oh, well, this guy or that 0:07:52.857 --> 0:07:55.297 girl is or is not. Donald Trump was not electable 0:07:55.377 --> 0:07:58.817 until he beat the whole system. Um, you know, Ronda 0:07:58.897 --> 0:08:02.217 Santis was not electable as even the governor of Florida, 0:08:02.697 --> 0:08:05.817 barely was electable as the governor of Florida, and now 0:08:05.857 --> 0:08:09.817 he just won the biggest landslide re election in the 0:08:10.177 --> 0:08:12.417 three of the state. Right. So I just think it's 0:08:12.417 --> 0:08:14.897 interesting because the whole concept of electability has in it 0:08:15.097 --> 0:08:18.737 that the people that are using that word know what's 0:08:18.737 --> 0:08:20.817 actually going to happen in the future. And one thing 0:08:20.857 --> 0:08:23.937 that we all know for sure is you know, economists 0:08:23.897 --> 0:08:25.217 got got a lot of heat for a while for 0:08:25.297 --> 0:08:29.577 being wrong about everything. Political prognosticators, they've had a pretty rough, 0:08:29.857 --> 0:08:34.417 pretty rough decade. I will say, no, it's true. And look, 0:08:34.457 --> 0:08:39.777 the media is somewhat complicit in this. I remember back 0:08:39.777 --> 0:08:45.257 in about August of twenty twenty two, I started feeling 0:08:45.337 --> 0:08:49.537 like Lee Zelden maybe had a chance. And I mean 0:08:49.577 --> 0:08:52.257 he was down twenty in the polls. I mean, you know, 0:08:52.817 --> 0:08:55.217 and I started going to my editors, right because I'm 0:08:55.217 --> 0:08:58.417 not staffed up, I'm independent. I write for all these 0:08:58.457 --> 0:09:02.697 different places. I was going to everybody saying, hey, you know, 0:09:02.777 --> 0:09:05.417 I'd like to I'd like to write something about this 0:09:05.577 --> 0:09:07.737 Zelden campaign. Can I spend a couple of days on 0:09:07.777 --> 0:09:10.697 the Zelden campaign, do a sort of Selena z style, 0:09:11.737 --> 0:09:13.137 you know type, say who, by the way, I think 0:09:13.217 --> 0:09:15.497 is the best columnist in the country. But you know, 0:09:15.857 --> 0:09:18.577 can I do that? And everybody and this is not 0:09:18.617 --> 0:09:21.017 to throw anybody under the bus, but everybody said, Dave, 0:09:21.097 --> 0:09:23.977 that's it's it's a twenty point race, like this is 0:09:24.017 --> 0:09:29.017 not a story, you know, lo and behold. By early October, 0:09:29.817 --> 0:09:32.737 Zelden starts catching up a little bit right, the message 0:09:32.737 --> 0:09:37.537 starts landing he damn there won that race. I did 0:09:37.577 --> 0:09:39.297 something that I never knew. I wrote a piece for 0:09:39.337 --> 0:09:44.097 the Daily Wire saying he will win. And I was wrong. 0:09:45.057 --> 0:09:47.457 I was almost right. But the reason I wrote it 0:09:47.537 --> 0:09:50.537 that way was to really just throw water in the 0:09:50.537 --> 0:09:54.977 face of people and say, like, listen, these races aren't unwinnable. 0:09:55.057 --> 0:09:57.497 We treat them that way, and we have a responsibility 0:09:57.577 --> 0:10:01.617 as journalists to cover them. Is Chuck Schumer going to 0:10:01.657 --> 0:10:03.817 win by twenty points, maybe you still got to cover 0:10:03.857 --> 0:10:07.617 the Senate race right. And by the way, I think 0:10:07.697 --> 0:10:11.657 Joe Pinion actually did much better against Chuck Schumer. Joseph 0:10:12.057 --> 0:10:14.777 jose a friend of mine, much better against Chuck Schumer 0:10:14.777 --> 0:10:19.217 than anybody anticipated. And still people don't really give him 0:10:19.217 --> 0:10:22.657 credit for it. I mean, he actually, you know, closed 0:10:22.657 --> 0:10:25.857 the gap pretty considerably. Now, obviously it wasn't a close race. 0:10:25.937 --> 0:10:29.537 But and but what happens if the New York Times 0:10:29.537 --> 0:10:31.497 and the New York Post and the Washington Post and 0:10:31.537 --> 0:10:36.377 everybody else were paying attention to that race, right, It 0:10:36.497 --> 0:10:40.617 changes the dynamic when when journalists and when the media say, oh, well, 0:10:40.617 --> 0:10:45.697 this is a foregone conclusion. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. Well, 0:10:45.737 --> 0:10:49.897 I think one part of politics that we can never 0:10:49.977 --> 0:10:53.177 get around is it is based on perception. And there 0:10:53.297 --> 0:10:59.697 is a multibillion dollar endless perception manipulation machinery that is 0:10:59.697 --> 0:11:03.017 at work in this country, the likes of which has 0:11:03.057 --> 0:11:05.577 never existed in all of human history before it too, 0:11:05.977 --> 0:11:08.457 you know, there, I think back to you know, I 0:11:08.497 --> 0:11:11.657 like to read historical historical biographies and you know presidents, 0:11:11.777 --> 0:11:14.377 US presidents. Obviously I'll go back and I'll read and 0:11:14.457 --> 0:11:17.657 you'll be reminded that, you know, presidents would go on 0:11:19.017 --> 0:11:23.577 steam train tour, they would shake hands, they would be 0:11:23.577 --> 0:11:25.937 a couple of local papers and writes of stuff about that. 0:11:26.097 --> 0:11:28.137 But I mean, now I can go back and I 0:11:28.177 --> 0:11:30.217 can find you video of Joe Biden looking like a 0:11:30.337 --> 0:11:33.497 jackass from nineteen eighty five, right, I mean in my 0:11:33.537 --> 0:11:37.097 phone instantaneously, I mean, just the way, and that's what 0:11:37.177 --> 0:11:39.057 I that's me looking for it. They can also make 0:11:39.097 --> 0:11:41.417 it appear on my phone. They can also decide what 0:11:41.577 --> 0:11:46.577 shows up in search results. So the perception management and 0:11:46.617 --> 0:11:51.017 manipulation operation that has underwear in this country blows out 0:11:51.057 --> 0:11:52.697 of the water anything that we've ever seen before in 0:11:52.777 --> 0:11:57.137 human history, with the exception of maybe totalitarian states, but 0:11:57.257 --> 0:12:00.337 you know, ours is actually much more effective, right, because 0:12:00.617 --> 0:12:04.177 the convinced things that yeah, you know, in totalitarian state, 0:12:04.217 --> 0:12:08.417 it's we're lying to you. Accept a liar will shoot you, right, 0:12:08.457 --> 0:12:10.137 I mean, that's that's one way to do propic and 0:12:10.297 --> 0:12:11.777 I mean everyone kind of knows they're lying, but they 0:12:11.817 --> 0:12:14.137 don't want to get shot. In this country, they convince 0:12:14.137 --> 0:12:18.497 people of things that are quite plainly not so. And 0:12:18.657 --> 0:12:20.657 I think it's much more of an epidemic on the left. 0:12:20.697 --> 0:12:23.537 I do think occasionally it happens for people on the 0:12:23.617 --> 0:12:25.337 right as well, which is a concern. I want to 0:12:25.337 --> 0:12:27.617 talk about the cultural component of this and actually get 0:12:27.617 --> 0:12:30.937 a little bit into David Marcus's past a bit, because 0:12:31.017 --> 0:12:34.417 you were a thespian, sir, you were a man who 0:12:34.497 --> 0:12:37.817 is You're a man of the arts, a creative even 0:12:37.937 --> 0:12:42.057 I am not, and yeah or I was, you know, yeah, 0:12:42.097 --> 0:12:44.457 well you still are away. There's a company I want 0:12:44.457 --> 0:12:46.617 to tell everybody about for a second here though, and 0:12:46.737 --> 0:12:48.177 you need them if you want a good night's rest. 0:12:48.217 --> 0:12:51.697 My pillow. 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All right, 0:13:46.337 --> 0:13:49.857 so you know you can talk about how we've got 0:13:49.897 --> 0:13:52.217 some good columnists on the right, and I think that 0:13:52.337 --> 0:13:56.537 the I think that in the realm of political philosophy, 0:13:57.017 --> 0:13:58.377 and look, I'm just gonna say it, I think our 0:13:58.377 --> 0:14:00.897 pundits are much smarter than their pundits. I really believe that, 0:14:01.537 --> 0:14:04.617 just pound for pound, person for person, you know, they're 0:14:04.657 --> 0:14:07.777 always going to be you know, standouts, exceptions and all 0:14:07.817 --> 0:14:10.897 that on either side when they go overall because people 0:14:10.897 --> 0:14:12.697 on the right have had to fight for it. Because 0:14:12.897 --> 0:14:16.977 speaking of going through the gauntlet and having to hone 0:14:17.017 --> 0:14:19.777 your skills, if you're taking an opinion on the right 0:14:19.817 --> 0:14:22.777 and you're a person who works in any kind of communications, 0:14:22.897 --> 0:14:26.097 you've had to deal with opposition in a meaningful way. 0:14:26.097 --> 0:14:27.177 I think a lot of people on the left are 0:14:27.217 --> 0:14:30.417 just products of an echo chamber in the cultural realm. Right, 0:14:30.457 --> 0:14:32.377 you you were an actor. I want to ask you 0:14:32.417 --> 0:14:36.417 a few more questions about that. Why don't we have more? 0:14:37.137 --> 0:14:39.537 I understand what the movies and Netflix and all that, 0:14:40.017 --> 0:14:43.977 it's big money. They shut us down. The wokeness terrifies 0:14:44.017 --> 0:14:46.897 the executives, or the executives or true believers, and wokenesses 0:14:46.937 --> 0:14:49.777 can be either one. Why don't we have Tom Wolfe 0:14:49.817 --> 0:14:53.017 these days? Bonfire the vanities? Why don't we have great 0:14:53.737 --> 0:15:00.537 novels that aren't explicitly politically conservative, but espouse truth without 0:15:00.537 --> 0:15:07.137 a view to political correctness, and have traditional values as 0:15:07.297 --> 0:15:10.657 a bedrock of the story of who the good guys are, 0:15:10.657 --> 0:15:16.337 who the bad guys are? That kind of thing. For me, 0:15:16.457 --> 0:15:19.537 The answer to that question has always been the fact 0:15:19.577 --> 0:15:26.497 that the arts became a nonprofit pursuit. My first foray 0:15:26.697 --> 0:15:31.097 into conservative journalism was my very first article at The Federalist, 0:15:31.657 --> 0:15:34.777 which was in twenty thirteen. It was called taking Back 0:15:34.817 --> 0:15:36.537 the Arts, and it was about why we need to 0:15:36.577 --> 0:15:40.297 get rid of the NIA And my argument wasn't the 0:15:40.377 --> 0:15:43.897 traditional Jesse helms like we don't want to fund piss 0:15:43.937 --> 0:15:46.857 Christ or this is a waste of money. My argument 0:15:46.977 --> 0:15:51.497 was this is really bad for the art form. Is 0:15:51.937 --> 0:15:57.137 this is really making people less likely to engage in 0:15:57.937 --> 0:16:02.817 the art form. Because what happens when an art form 0:16:02.857 --> 0:16:06.977 moves into the not for profit model is the incentives 0:16:07.057 --> 0:16:12.817 change completely. Right. The incentive in in in a capitalist 0:16:12.817 --> 0:16:17.057 model is let's get audience in what does the audience want. 0:16:18.057 --> 0:16:22.257 Once you move to a nonprofit model, whether it's in 0:16:22.457 --> 0:16:25.777 theater companies or universities or foundations that are giving grants 0:16:25.857 --> 0:16:29.217 or whatever. The incentive becomes what do these rich people 0:16:29.537 --> 0:16:33.497 want and how do I get their money? And that'll 0:16:33.497 --> 0:16:40.897 behalf my operating money. It absolutely destroys art because art 0:16:41.057 --> 0:16:47.137 needs to be about what the audience wants, and it's 0:16:47.217 --> 0:16:52.017 not anymore now. Now it really is about what a 0:16:52.097 --> 0:16:57.737 bunch of woke rich people want. And it's awful. Book, 0:16:57.817 --> 0:17:01.137 it's it's it's and we don't have it. There's some 0:17:01.217 --> 0:17:04.657 really there's some really interesting and I've actually reached out 0:17:04.657 --> 0:17:06.857 to a couple of them and I'm trying to arrange 0:17:06.897 --> 0:17:08.977 times to get them on to come on onto this show. 0:17:09.337 --> 0:17:13.497 There are some people who are doing the Twitter accounts 0:17:13.497 --> 0:17:16.857 and you know Instagram, and you know TikTok Chinese spying 0:17:17.097 --> 0:17:21.257 on TikTok whatever. They still exist on TikTok uh. They 0:17:21.337 --> 0:17:25.657 do accounts where they look at the modern esthetic of 0:17:25.737 --> 0:17:31.377 things like let's say, architecture, buildings, um everything, sports arenas, 0:17:32.297 --> 0:17:36.337 government buildings, things like this, and and how it seems 0:17:36.457 --> 0:17:40.497 like there's that things are getting uglier and more depressing, 0:17:40.777 --> 0:17:43.777 and that there may be a desire to do this 0:17:43.817 --> 0:17:47.137 on purpose at some level. That no, no, there is 0:17:47.337 --> 0:17:50.217 that that that the left and the forces that want 0:17:50.217 --> 0:17:55.097 collectives control believe that in suppressing beauty and the aspirational, 0:17:55.617 --> 0:18:00.097 they create a sameness of misery that makes people easier 0:18:00.537 --> 0:18:03.897 to control because they don't even care anymore. I mean, 0:18:05.137 --> 0:18:09.417 to me, the most pressing example is the English language itself, Right, 0:18:10.537 --> 0:18:13.177 Narry a week goes by that we don't see one 0:18:13.217 --> 0:18:17.217 of these lists that says, you know, stop saying, you know, 0:18:18.017 --> 0:18:21.497 kill two birds with one stone and instead say, you know, 0:18:21.577 --> 0:18:23.857 eat two scones with one you know, whatever it is 0:18:23.897 --> 0:18:29.297 that this foolishness. Here's why that's so incredibly insidious and 0:18:29.417 --> 0:18:35.057 such a big problem. No English speaking country in the 0:18:35.097 --> 0:18:40.937 world has ever fallen to fascism and totalitarianism. And I 0:18:40.937 --> 0:18:44.777 would posit that the English language itself is a big 0:18:44.817 --> 0:18:49.337 reason for that. Why Because the English language is so expansive, 0:18:49.417 --> 0:18:53.097 It has many more words than any other language. I 0:18:53.097 --> 0:18:57.377 think German is second. It's so flexible, right, there's no genders. 0:18:57.497 --> 0:18:59.697 You can turn a noun into a verb. I don't 0:18:59.697 --> 0:19:01.657 want to get two into the weeds, but you can 0:19:01.697 --> 0:19:03.857 do things with the English language that you just can't 0:19:03.937 --> 0:19:08.417 do with other languages. And I do think that it 0:19:08.497 --> 0:19:13.177 protects us from to talitarianism because there's always some other 0:19:13.217 --> 0:19:16.177 way to say. But wait a minute, what if we 0:19:16.257 --> 0:19:19.897 look at it this way? What the Wokesters and the 0:19:19.937 --> 0:19:23.617 progressives are trying to do to the English language is say, no, 0:19:24.257 --> 0:19:26.817 you have to use the English language in this very 0:19:26.897 --> 0:19:30.857 specific way, and that's the only way that the Anglisphere 0:19:30.937 --> 0:19:34.297 will ever fall to fascism, and we have to resist it. 0:19:35.697 --> 0:19:40.817 Well to the point about the scale of what I 0:19:40.857 --> 0:19:46.657 call the apparatus, which is the machinery of ideological, social, political, 0:19:46.897 --> 0:19:53.297 and and just total control that is exerted by an 0:19:53.337 --> 0:19:55.737 ideology that it is honestly so broad and expensive that 0:19:55.777 --> 0:19:57.617 it can be hard to define. We call it the left. 0:19:57.977 --> 0:20:00.217 The Democrat Party is clearly an instrument of it and 0:20:00.377 --> 0:20:02.537 an embodiment of it in America. But what we saw 0:20:02.617 --> 0:20:05.737 during COVID is that it is also much broader, and 0:20:05.817 --> 0:20:08.577 it is actually a global impulse. I mean, I think 0:20:08.577 --> 0:20:12.217 it goes. It ties in with the same reason that 0:20:12.217 --> 0:20:17.897 communism is a global ideology rooted in energizing the malcontents 0:20:17.937 --> 0:20:20.657 of society, with the promise that if only you give 0:20:21.097 --> 0:20:25.297 complete power to people, making the promise of absolute equality 0:20:25.337 --> 0:20:27.097 for all, everything will be better. Of course, has you 0:20:27.177 --> 0:20:29.657 now everything gets worse. But this is this has been 0:20:29.697 --> 0:20:32.297 appealing to people, or at least some people in countries 0:20:32.657 --> 0:20:34.337 all over the world, because I think at a basic 0:20:34.417 --> 0:20:38.897 level of human nature, envy is an incredibly powerful element 0:20:38.977 --> 0:20:42.097 in politics and human psychology. That's one part of it. 0:20:43.137 --> 0:20:46.297 But as as all of this is unfolding right now, 0:20:47.257 --> 0:20:49.697 oh wait, pause for a second, because I need to 0:20:49.737 --> 0:20:52.537 tell you I have a violent language list to your 0:20:52.537 --> 0:20:55.097 point from last week that I'm meant to mention that 0:20:55.177 --> 0:20:56.817 just was making the rounds. I don't know if you 0:20:56.817 --> 0:20:59.457 saw this, So if anyone's wondering, if anyone's wondering, what 0:20:59.537 --> 0:21:04.977 are some of the evolving from violent language requests. They 0:21:05.017 --> 0:21:08.817 don't want you to say what's the deadline anymore? They 0:21:08.857 --> 0:21:12.377 want you to say what's the do date. They don't 0:21:12.417 --> 0:21:14.697 want you to say we have to pick our battles. 0:21:15.417 --> 0:21:20.137 They want you to say we have to choose our opportunities. 0:21:21.057 --> 0:21:23.417 They don't want you to say that was overkill. You 0:21:23.457 --> 0:21:27.177 can only say a bit excessive. And of course you 0:21:27.217 --> 0:21:30.657 can't say we're going to pull the trigger, say we're 0:21:30.737 --> 0:21:36.137 going to launch. And it goes on and on and on, 0:21:36.377 --> 0:21:38.217 and I think part of this is it's control. It's 0:21:38.217 --> 0:21:43.657 also demoralization. David. My my job, right, like, like basically 0:21:43.697 --> 0:21:47.257 my whole job is to use the English language in 0:21:47.257 --> 0:21:51.217 an interesting way. That was my job when I produced 0:21:51.377 --> 0:21:55.017 and and wrote and acted and directed in theater, right, 0:21:55.577 --> 0:21:59.817 was to use the language and to try right to 0:21:59.977 --> 0:22:03.097 use the language and in some new way that that would, 0:22:03.737 --> 0:22:07.137 you know, have an impact on people somehow. You know, 0:22:07.617 --> 0:22:11.017 this idea that like we have to be so careful 0:22:11.337 --> 0:22:14.337 with our language or oh, my goodness, like somebody's going 0:22:14.377 --> 0:22:18.217 to be offended, or we're gonna, you know, induce somebody 0:22:18.217 --> 0:22:22.097 to do some bad thing. It is so deeply anathema 0:22:22.177 --> 0:22:26.897 to my soul because I love the English language. I've 0:22:26.897 --> 0:22:31.177 spent my entire life trying to figure out it's it's 0:22:31.257 --> 0:22:36.417 it's mystery and majesty and and you know, reading Shakespeare 0:22:36.457 --> 0:22:40.617 over and over and over again, because he really invented it. 0:22:40.697 --> 0:22:44.057 I mean, I mean, he gave us, as English speakers 0:22:45.217 --> 0:22:49.017 this incredible gift that has led to I believe, the 0:22:49.057 --> 0:22:51.657 greatest country on earth, you know, in the UK is 0:22:51.697 --> 0:22:56.657 not bad either. And it kills me to see that 0:22:56.937 --> 0:22:59.297 the same people, these are the same people who say, 0:23:00.297 --> 0:23:02.937 oh they're they're banning books in Florida. Well, first of all, 0:23:02.977 --> 0:23:05.817 they're not. And second of all, if you have a 0:23:05.817 --> 0:23:09.377 problem with banning books, then why are you banning phrases? 0:23:11.497 --> 0:23:14.457 Very good question, very good point. I want to ask 0:23:14.497 --> 0:23:18.057 you more about this and also New York, David, you 0:23:18.617 --> 0:23:20.817 left New York, I left New York. Got two of 0:23:20.857 --> 0:23:23.617 us here. We should discuss this and where we think 0:23:23.617 --> 0:23:26.057 this is all heading. But I want to give everybody 0:23:26.057 --> 0:23:27.977 a little heads up. 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