Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
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Speaker 1: another episode of The Buck Sexton Show. I have my
Speaker 1: friend David Marcus joining us now. David Marcus is a
Speaker 1: calumnist for a whole bunch of places. You probably get
Speaker 1: the News, Daily Mail, New York Post, Spectator. He's a
Speaker 1: writer and he has a lot of thoughts and a
Speaker 1: lot of things. He's with us now. David, great to
Speaker 1: have you back. Thanks for having me. Man. So how
Speaker 1: are we? How are we doing with this whole saving
Speaker 1: the country thing these days? On the right? How's the
Speaker 1: whole conservative project chugging along at this point? You know,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of optimism for it, honestly, maybe
Speaker 1: more than a lot of people do on the right.
Speaker 1: Part of what I do, a big part of what
Speaker 1: I do is try to look at try to anallize
Speaker 1: and look at what's happening on the right. I don't
Speaker 1: really take a lot of sides. I just want to know, like,
Speaker 1: where are we? And I do think that when you
Speaker 1: look at some of the things that for example, governors
Speaker 1: de Santists and young ken are doing with education in
Speaker 1: Florida and Virginia. When you look at I think Kevin
Speaker 1: McCarthy sort of proving some of his critics, if not wrong,
Speaker 1: at least reassuring them that he was going to be
Speaker 1: a different kind of leader for Republicans. I do think
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be optimistic about. Well, that's good news.
Speaker 1: That's I don't sorry to be the best, sorry to
Speaker 1: be the bearer of good news. No, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's that's encouraging. Obviously, everyone's gearing
Speaker 1: up for some kind of a Hulk versus the thing
Speaker 1: throw down between Trump and Desantists, and I keep telling everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, we we have all these expectations that don't
Speaker 1: end up coming true. In politics, maybe it it'd be
Speaker 1: best to one be humble about what we can and
Speaker 1: cannot predict, and to just watch events as they as
Speaker 1: they play out, instead of assuming that everything is set
Speaker 1: long before it actually happens. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: the midterm elections were an exercise in that at some level.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like on the right, you know,
Speaker 1: we look at polls, for example, we look at so
Speaker 1: many people are dissatisfied with Joe Biden, with the economy
Speaker 1: right now, and you know the state of the Union
Speaker 1: that Biden has has done this week, but yet they
Speaker 1: still vote for him, right, I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is where I think. And I know people say, oh,
Speaker 1: eighty million people didn't vote for Biden. Just there are
Speaker 1: a lot of really really devoted Democrats out there who
Speaker 1: are lunatics who'll vote for Joe Biden. Folks, Okay, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of them. I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: how many exactly, but there are a lot of them. Yeah, listen.
Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting a couple days after the
Speaker 1: mid terms when it seemed like once again, the entire
Speaker 1: National Review, right, and I love National Review. I've written
Speaker 1: for them. I think I think they do a really
Speaker 1: good job. But this whole crowd was like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is the end of Trump. Right. I thought they were
Speaker 1: going to do another one of these like never Trump, Okay,
Speaker 1: now we all have to get behind desantists. And this
Speaker 1: is what I said, slow your role, guys, like like,
Speaker 1: this is this is not how this works. And I
Speaker 1: spoke to a couple of guys at a bar pub
Speaker 1: restaurant in Brooklyn's a place called the Salty Dog, which
Speaker 1: if you're ever in Bay Ridge, it's great. And they
Speaker 1: were both Trump voters who do exist in Brooklyn, and
Speaker 1: I asked them very specifically, I said, what do you
Speaker 1: want to see? Do you want to see the establishment
Speaker 1: and the donors and the elite sort of put their
Speaker 1: thumb on the scale for desantist because we don't think
Speaker 1: Trump is actable? Or do you want to just have
Speaker 1: the fair fight? And these guys were open to de Santis,
Speaker 1: but they said they want the fair fight. Right. That's
Speaker 1: the key. Everyone's worried, like, oh, Trump's voters are you know,
Speaker 1: He's going to run third party and they're going to
Speaker 1: go away. I think that's far less likely if the
Speaker 1: voters understand that we just get to make a choice,
Speaker 1: as opposed to, as The New York Times reported this week,
Speaker 1: the Koch brothers saying We're gonna consolidate behind an alternative.
Speaker 1: People think it's I think it's strange, you know, because
Speaker 1: there definitely is a I think it's probably a small
Speaker 1: but loud minority within the right, but there are definitely
Speaker 1: people who take this position of you're supposed to know
Speaker 1: now who you want to be the presidential nominee and
Speaker 1: to this, and they think it's it's being a you know,
Speaker 1: a whimp or a fencitter or something like this. And
Speaker 1: I sit here and say, well, I knew in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen that the nominee was supposed to be Ted Cruz
Speaker 1: or Marco Rubio or Ben Carson or you know, right,
Speaker 1: I mean what you know ain't so over the course
Speaker 1: of a primary, I realized over the course of that
Speaker 1: primary was like, oh my gosh, it is gonna be Trump.
Speaker 1: He's got something special, he's saying something special. There's something
Speaker 1: different here, and I don't understand. Well, maybe understanding isn't
Speaker 1: with the right question a right way to approach it.
Speaker 1: But I think that there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: that want want us all to forget that there's a
Speaker 1: nomination process for a reason. That the fight, that the battle,
Speaker 1: that the back and forth, the conversation, the debate in
Speaker 1: front of the American people between people that want the
Speaker 1: most powerful job in the world is part of the
Speaker 1: process and a good thing. And it is okay to
Speaker 1: say I want to see this play out. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, when you get off
Speaker 1: of Twitter and when you get, you know, as I have,
Speaker 1: notwithstanding my background recently, you know, gotten out of New
Speaker 1: York City. Right when you get out of like the
Speaker 1: places where the pundents stomp the terra, one of the
Speaker 1: things that you realize is that electability is a big
Speaker 1: deal on Twitter. It's not a big deal in the
Speaker 1: minds of American voters. Even in primaries, right, voters don't say, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to make you know, I'm playing Monopoly here
Speaker 1: and I'm going to make the smartest choice and try
Speaker 1: to you know, game the system. No, they like somebody.
Speaker 1: They say, oh, this guy says stuff that I like.
Speaker 1: I want this guy. And even if they were trying
Speaker 1: to game the system and say, well, what's the electability game,
Speaker 1: they're likely to land on other people are going to
Speaker 1: like what I like. Right, So we can all tweet about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the polls and this and that. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, voters really say, does this
Speaker 1: guy or woman you know means something to me? It?
Speaker 1: Is it yogi berra? Who is credit with it? And
Speaker 1: over to the fat ladies sings is that right? I
Speaker 1: don't know who? Or is that just a phrase that
Speaker 1: everybody is I know, he's deja vu all over again,
Speaker 1: which of course is a pretty funny little he was, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was definitely that. I don't know if it's it
Speaker 1: in over to the fat ladies sings um. This is
Speaker 1: also something that I think in politics is pretty funny
Speaker 1: that we keep having to relearn this. And I just
Speaker 1: wouldn't mean this even in general. It goes beyond party.
Speaker 1: We have to relearn the same lessons because we talk
Speaker 1: about things like electability. And you know, this is going
Speaker 1: to sound so ridiculous, but I do think it's an
Speaker 1: important reminder. You know, who's electable the person who wins. Right,
Speaker 1: It never always goes, oh, well, this guy or that
Speaker 1: girl is or is not. Donald Trump was not electable
Speaker 1: until he beat the whole system. Um, you know, Ronda
Speaker 1: Santis was not electable as even the governor of Florida,
Speaker 1: barely was electable as the governor of Florida, and now
Speaker 1: he just won the biggest landslide re election in the
Speaker 1: three of the state. Right. So I just think it's
Speaker 1: interesting because the whole concept of electability has in it
Speaker 1: that the people that are using that word know what's
Speaker 1: actually going to happen in the future. And one thing
Speaker 1: that we all know for sure is you know, economists
Speaker 1: got got a lot of heat for a while for
Speaker 1: being wrong about everything. Political prognosticators, they've had a pretty rough,
Speaker 1: pretty rough decade. I will say, no, it's true. And look,
Speaker 1: the media is somewhat complicit in this. I remember back
Speaker 1: in about August of twenty twenty two, I started feeling
Speaker 1: like Lee Zelden maybe had a chance. And I mean
Speaker 1: he was down twenty in the polls. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and I started going to my editors, right because I'm
Speaker 1: not staffed up, I'm independent. I write for all these
Speaker 1: different places. I was going to everybody saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd like to I'd like to write something about this
Speaker 1: Zelden campaign. Can I spend a couple of days on
Speaker 1: the Zelden campaign, do a sort of Selena z style,
Speaker 1: you know type, say who, by the way, I think
Speaker 1: is the best columnist in the country. But you know,
Speaker 1: can I do that? And everybody and this is not
Speaker 1: to throw anybody under the bus, but everybody said, Dave,
Speaker 1: that's it's it's a twenty point race, like this is
Speaker 1: not a story, you know, lo and behold. By early October,
Speaker 1: Zelden starts catching up a little bit right, the message
Speaker 1: starts landing he damn there won that race. I did
Speaker 1: something that I never knew. I wrote a piece for
Speaker 1: the Daily Wire saying he will win. And I was wrong.
Speaker 1: I was almost right. But the reason I wrote it
Speaker 1: that way was to really just throw water in the
Speaker 1: face of people and say, like, listen, these races aren't unwinnable.
Speaker 1: We treat them that way, and we have a responsibility
Speaker 1: as journalists to cover them. Is Chuck Schumer going to
Speaker 1: win by twenty points, maybe you still got to cover
Speaker 1: the Senate race right. And by the way, I think
Speaker 1: Joe Pinion actually did much better against Chuck Schumer. Joseph
Speaker 1: jose a friend of mine, much better against Chuck Schumer
Speaker 1: than anybody anticipated. And still people don't really give him
Speaker 1: credit for it. I mean, he actually, you know, closed
Speaker 1: the gap pretty considerably. Now, obviously it wasn't a close race.
Speaker 1: But and but what happens if the New York Times
Speaker 1: and the New York Post and the Washington Post and
Speaker 1: everybody else were paying attention to that race, right, It
Speaker 1: changes the dynamic when when journalists and when the media say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: this is a foregone conclusion. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I think one part of politics that we can never
Speaker 1: get around is it is based on perception. And there
Speaker 1: is a multibillion dollar endless perception manipulation machinery that is
Speaker 1: at work in this country, the likes of which has
Speaker 1: never existed in all of human history before it too,
Speaker 1: you know, there, I think back to you know, I
Speaker 1: like to read historical historical biographies and you know presidents,
Speaker 1: US presidents. Obviously I'll go back and I'll read and
Speaker 1: you'll be reminded that, you know, presidents would go on
Speaker 1: steam train tour, they would shake hands, they would be
Speaker 1: a couple of local papers and writes of stuff about that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, now I can go back and I
Speaker 1: can find you video of Joe Biden looking like a
Speaker 1: jackass from nineteen eighty five, right, I mean in my
Speaker 1: phone instantaneously, I mean, just the way, and that's what
Speaker 1: I that's me looking for it. They can also make
Speaker 1: it appear on my phone. They can also decide what
Speaker 1: shows up in search results. So the perception management and
Speaker 1: manipulation operation that has underwear in this country blows out
Speaker 1: of the water anything that we've ever seen before in
Speaker 1: human history, with the exception of maybe totalitarian states, but
Speaker 1: you know, ours is actually much more effective, right, because
Speaker 1: the convinced things that yeah, you know, in totalitarian state,
Speaker 1: it's we're lying to you. Accept a liar will shoot you, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's one way to do propic and
Speaker 1: I mean everyone kind of knows they're lying, but they
Speaker 1: don't want to get shot. In this country, they convince
Speaker 1: people of things that are quite plainly not so. And
Speaker 1: I think it's much more of an epidemic on the left.
Speaker 1: I do think occasionally it happens for people on the
Speaker 1: right as well, which is a concern. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the cultural component of this and actually get
Speaker 1: a little bit into David Marcus's past a bit, because
Speaker 1: you were a thespian, sir, you were a man who
Speaker 1: is You're a man of the arts, a creative even
Speaker 1: I am not, and yeah or I was, you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: so you know you can talk about how we've got
Speaker 1: some good columnists on the right, and I think that
Speaker 1: the I think that in the realm of political philosophy,
Speaker 1: and look, I'm just gonna say it, I think our
Speaker 1: pundits are much smarter than their pundits. I really believe that,
Speaker 1: just pound for pound, person for person, you know, they're
Speaker 1: always going to be you know, standouts, exceptions and all
Speaker 1: that on either side when they go overall because people
Speaker 1: on the right have had to fight for it. Because
Speaker 1: speaking of going through the gauntlet and having to hone
Speaker 1: your skills, if you're taking an opinion on the right
Speaker 1: and you're a person who works in any kind of communications,
Speaker 1: you've had to deal with opposition in a meaningful way.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people on the left are
Speaker 1: just products of an echo chamber in the cultural realm. Right,
Speaker 1: you you were an actor. I want to ask you
Speaker 1: a few more questions about that. Why don't we have more?
Speaker 1: I understand what the movies and Netflix and all that,
Speaker 1: it's big money. They shut us down. The wokeness terrifies
Speaker 1: the executives, or the executives or true believers, and wokenesses
Speaker 1: can be either one. Why don't we have Tom Wolfe
Speaker 1: these days? Bonfire the vanities? Why don't we have great
Speaker 1: novels that aren't explicitly politically conservative, but espouse truth without
Speaker 1: a view to political correctness, and have traditional values as
Speaker 1: a bedrock of the story of who the good guys are,
Speaker 1: who the bad guys are? That kind of thing. For me,
Speaker 1: The answer to that question has always been the fact
Speaker 1: that the arts became a nonprofit pursuit. My first foray
Speaker 1: into conservative journalism was my very first article at The Federalist,
Speaker 1: which was in twenty thirteen. It was called taking Back
Speaker 1: the Arts, and it was about why we need to
Speaker 1: get rid of the NIA And my argument wasn't the
Speaker 1: traditional Jesse helms like we don't want to fund piss
Speaker 1: Christ or this is a waste of money. My argument
Speaker 1: was this is really bad for the art form. Is
Speaker 1: this is really making people less likely to engage in
Speaker 1: the art form. Because what happens when an art form
Speaker 1: moves into the not for profit model is the incentives
Speaker 1: change completely. Right. The incentive in in in a capitalist
Speaker 1: model is let's get audience in what does the audience want.
Speaker 1: Once you move to a nonprofit model, whether it's in
Speaker 1: theater companies or universities or foundations that are giving grants
Speaker 1: or whatever. The incentive becomes what do these rich people
Speaker 1: want and how do I get their money? And that'll
Speaker 1: behalf my operating money. It absolutely destroys art because art
Speaker 1: needs to be about what the audience wants, and it's
Speaker 1: not anymore now. Now it really is about what a
Speaker 1: bunch of woke rich people want. And it's awful. Book,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's and we don't have it. There's some
Speaker 1: really there's some really interesting and I've actually reached out
Speaker 1: to a couple of them and I'm trying to arrange
Speaker 1: times to get them on to come on onto this show.
Speaker 1: There are some people who are doing the Twitter accounts
Speaker 1: and you know Instagram, and you know TikTok Chinese spying
Speaker 1: on TikTok whatever. They still exist on TikTok uh. They
Speaker 1: do accounts where they look at the modern esthetic of
Speaker 1: things like let's say, architecture, buildings, um everything, sports arenas,
Speaker 1: government buildings, things like this, and and how it seems
Speaker 1: like there's that things are getting uglier and more depressing,
Speaker 1: and that there may be a desire to do this
Speaker 1: on purpose at some level. That no, no, there is
Speaker 1: that that that the left and the forces that want
Speaker 1: collectives control believe that in suppressing beauty and the aspirational,
Speaker 1: they create a sameness of misery that makes people easier
Speaker 1: to control because they don't even care anymore. I mean,
Speaker 1: to me, the most pressing example is the English language itself, Right,
Speaker 1: Narry a week goes by that we don't see one
Speaker 1: of these lists that says, you know, stop saying, you know,
Speaker 1: kill two birds with one stone and instead say, you know,
Speaker 1: eat two scones with one you know, whatever it is
Speaker 1: that this foolishness. Here's why that's so incredibly insidious and
Speaker 1: such a big problem. No English speaking country in the
Speaker 1: world has ever fallen to fascism and totalitarianism. And I
Speaker 1: would posit that the English language itself is a big
Speaker 1: reason for that. Why Because the English language is so expansive,
Speaker 1: It has many more words than any other language. I
Speaker 1: think German is second. It's so flexible, right, there's no genders.
Speaker 1: You can turn a noun into a verb. I don't
Speaker 1: want to get two into the weeds, but you can
Speaker 1: do things with the English language that you just can't
Speaker 1: do with other languages. And I do think that it
Speaker 1: protects us from to talitarianism because there's always some other
Speaker 1: way to say. But wait a minute, what if we
Speaker 1: look at it this way? What the Wokesters and the
Speaker 1: progressives are trying to do to the English language is say, no,
Speaker 1: you have to use the English language in this very
Speaker 1: specific way, and that's the only way that the Anglisphere
Speaker 1: will ever fall to fascism, and we have to resist it.
Speaker 1: Well to the point about the scale of what I
Speaker 1: call the apparatus, which is the machinery of ideological, social, political,
Speaker 1: and and just total control that is exerted by an
Speaker 1: ideology that it is honestly so broad and expensive that
Speaker 1: it can be hard to define. We call it the left.
Speaker 1: The Democrat Party is clearly an instrument of it and
Speaker 1: an embodiment of it in America. But what we saw
Speaker 1: during COVID is that it is also much broader, and
Speaker 1: it is actually a global impulse. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it goes. It ties in with the same reason that
Speaker 1: communism is a global ideology rooted in energizing the malcontents
Speaker 1: of society, with the promise that if only you give
Speaker 1: complete power to people, making the promise of absolute equality
Speaker 1: for all, everything will be better. Of course, has you
Speaker 1: now everything gets worse. But this is this has been
Speaker 1: appealing to people, or at least some people in countries
Speaker 1: all over the world, because I think at a basic
Speaker 1: level of human nature, envy is an incredibly powerful element
Speaker 1: in politics and human psychology. That's one part of it.
Speaker 1: But as as all of this is unfolding right now,
Speaker 1: oh wait, pause for a second, because I need to
Speaker 1: tell you I have a violent language list to your
Speaker 1: point from last week that I'm meant to mention that
Speaker 1: just was making the rounds. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw this, So if anyone's wondering, if anyone's wondering, what
Speaker 1: are some of the evolving from violent language requests. They
Speaker 1: don't want you to say what's the deadline anymore? They
Speaker 1: want you to say what's the do date. They don't
Speaker 1: want you to say we have to pick our battles.
Speaker 1: They want you to say we have to choose our opportunities.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to say that was overkill. You
Speaker 1: can only say a bit excessive. And of course you
Speaker 1: can't say we're going to pull the trigger, say we're
Speaker 1: going to launch. And it goes on and on and on,
Speaker 1: and I think part of this is it's control. It's
Speaker 1: also demoralization. David. My my job, right, like, like basically
Speaker 1: my whole job is to use the English language in
Speaker 1: an interesting way. That was my job when I produced
Speaker 1: and and wrote and acted and directed in theater, right,
Speaker 1: was to use the language and to try right to
Speaker 1: use the language and in some new way that that would,
Speaker 1: you know, have an impact on people somehow. You know,
Speaker 1: this idea that like we have to be so careful
Speaker 1: with our language or oh, my goodness, like somebody's going
Speaker 1: to be offended, or we're gonna, you know, induce somebody
Speaker 1: to do some bad thing. It is so deeply anathema
Speaker 1: to my soul because I love the English language. I've
Speaker 1: spent my entire life trying to figure out it's it's
Speaker 1: it's mystery and majesty and and you know, reading Shakespeare
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, because he really invented it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, he gave us, as English speakers
Speaker 1: this incredible gift that has led to I believe, the
Speaker 1: greatest country on earth, you know, in the UK is
Speaker 1: not bad either. And it kills me to see that
Speaker 1: the same people, these are the same people who say,
Speaker 1: oh they're they're banning books in Florida. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: they're not. And second of all, if you have a
Speaker 1: problem with banning books, then why are you banning phrases?
Speaker 1: Very good question, very good point. I want to ask
Speaker 1: you more about this and also New York, David, you
Speaker 1: left New York, I left New York. Got two of
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Speaker 1: get to the New York conversation, I also think that
Speaker 1: that there are there are very few if I ask
Speaker 1: somebody these, I've had this thought experiment with friends. If
Speaker 1: you try to come up with a way that you
Speaker 1: can call someone a coward other than a coward, for example,
Speaker 1: you find yourself all of a sudden running into the
Speaker 1: word police very quickly. It's interesting how few words we
Speaker 1: have to describe disdain for weakness, disdain for people who
Speaker 1: are duplicitists, people who are just bad people. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying on the profane side, but but
Speaker 1: there are words you know that you cannot use because
Speaker 1: there could considered you know, sexist or misogynist or whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't know, ablest or something. You know. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are people who even tell you shouldn't call anyone
Speaker 1: dumb or you shouldn't call anyone stupid. Okay, well, how
Speaker 1: do I explain who? How do I explain how some
Speaker 1: of these Democrats are unable to you know, members of
Speaker 1: Congress who are Democrat, like if I want to say
Speaker 1: Eric Swalwell is not an intellectually acceptable level fellow for
Speaker 1: a member of Congress if you listen to the left.
Speaker 1: There are very few ways you can describe this that
Speaker 1: don't sound like you're reading from a dissertation without them
Speaker 1: claiming that you know, you've offended somebody. They are destroying
Speaker 1: our ability to describe circumstances with language, and they're doing
Speaker 1: so by appealing to either our sense of decency or
Speaker 1: our fear of cancelation. Well, yeah, I mean exactly. I
Speaker 1: mean that's the whole concept of equity, right, that that
Speaker 1: as opposed to equality. Right, equality is the equality of opportunities.
Speaker 1: Equity means we all have the same outcome, which means
Speaker 1: that for some reason, Eric Swalwell has to be considered
Speaker 1: just as you know, bright as, I don't know new
Speaker 1: Gangridge or you know, whoever you want to whatever, right
Speaker 1: person on the right you you want to say, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it it destroys discourse in many ways. And I look,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't run around calling people dumb. I
Speaker 1: don't have any you know, desire to like, you know,
Speaker 1: use slurs or whatever. But you make a good point
Speaker 1: in that, Wow, everything can't be completely relative or everything
Speaker 1: just goes completely to hell. And that's where we are
Speaker 1: right now. I think that that's what you're really saying,
Speaker 1: is like, you know, this this idea that like you
Speaker 1: can't criticize AOC or whoever it is, or or George
Speaker 1: Santos for that matter, right, Like I'm happy to make
Speaker 1: some George Santos jokes. Um. Well, it's interesting you mentioned
Speaker 1: you mentioned jokes because I also think it has been
Speaker 1: an intentional and this is this is enormously um I
Speaker 1: think important political and cultural implications. The destruction of comedy
Speaker 1: is something that the left has really focused on. And
Speaker 1: I'd say, oh, we have all these comedians, Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: all making the same jokes about first of all, late
Speaker 1: night comedians. It all turned into bad Donald Trump jokes.
Speaker 1: Which is why there shows basically all destroyed, right, And
Speaker 1: that's why Red Eye at Fox became the most power
Speaker 1: the most well watched late night show without decades of
Speaker 1: platform building handed to it like someone like a cold bearhead.
Speaker 1: But I think it's an intentional program. Go ahead, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the secret of this. There's a reason that
Speaker 1: stand up comedy is the only place left in the
Speaker 1: performing arts where you even sort of like remotely have
Speaker 1: conservative ideas. I'm not calling Chappelle or Burr or Sandler
Speaker 1: like you know, movement conservatives or whatever. But they've all
Speaker 1: bristled right, Seinfeld. They've all bristled the left and gotten
Speaker 1: the left upset. Here's why this is the last performing
Speaker 1: art form where you don't go to college for it,
Speaker 1: you don't go to studio for it, you don't you know,
Speaker 1: show up at some not for profit theater company. You
Speaker 1: go to the comedy club, you sign your name on
Speaker 1: the list and say I want to get up there
Speaker 1: for five minutes. And you know what happens, buck, Either
Speaker 1: people laugh or they don't. And that's it. It's testable.
Speaker 1: If nobody laughs, you're not invited back. If everybody laughs,
Speaker 1: well okay, yeah, come back please. That meritocracy still exists
Speaker 1: in stand up comedy. It exists almost nowhere else in
Speaker 1: the arts and and and that's why Gutfeld's able to
Speaker 1: do this. That's why you know, you see this difference here.
Speaker 1: And it used to be that way in theater. It
Speaker 1: used to be that way in novels and poetry and everything.
Speaker 1: I know, there aren't that many people who are listening
Speaker 1: who are big Broadway buffs. Probably some, but not very many,
Speaker 1: not not that big on the right. I lived in
Speaker 1: New York, adjoining like my I basically my building shared
Speaker 1: a wall with a Broadway theater. I think I have
Speaker 1: been to in my life half a dozen Broadway shows
Speaker 1: in my life, and some of those were, you know,
Speaker 1: school mandated. But I do know that of the plays
Speaker 1: I had seen, and let's say the last ten years,
Speaker 1: the wokeness of Broadway makes the wokeness of Netflix seem
Speaker 1: like Fox News. I mean it is. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: How did live theater? I want to say Broadway? Also
Speaker 1: off Broadway Live Live Theater became it is the the
Speaker 1: Wesleyan Gender Studies Department doing live performance all over the country. Somehow,
Speaker 1: what happened? You come from this world? No, I mean
Speaker 1: I I've watched it happen. You know, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: it's funny. Um. So, my theater company in New York
Speaker 1: was called Blue Box Productions. That's if people are curious
Speaker 1: about my Twitter handle, that's why on blue Box Dave Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. We had a signature show. Um.
Speaker 1: My co producer was Libby Evans, who's now the editor
Speaker 1: in chief of Post Millennial. We both kind of, in
Speaker 1: a roundabout way, wound up making this journey. But we
Speaker 1: invented this show called Sticky, and it was a night
Speaker 1: of ten minute plays in a bar lounge space and
Speaker 1: it didn't take place on a stage. It took place
Speaker 1: sort of around the bar and it would happen environmentally.
Speaker 1: It was a really fun show. We ran it for
Speaker 1: about fifteen years and I was the host of it.
Speaker 1: And I was starting in about two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: to two thousand and nine, sort of openly republican and conservative.
Speaker 1: And it was a joke right, like like I would.
Speaker 1: I would sort of make jokes about political correctness or
Speaker 1: Obama or whatever it was. The audience would boo. We
Speaker 1: went back and forth. But it was friendly, right, it was.
Speaker 1: It was this sort of like and and afterwards I
Speaker 1: would talk to people and they say, oh, well, why
Speaker 1: do you know I like Condoleeza Rice or you know whatever.
Speaker 1: It was right, you could do this in two thousand
Speaker 1: and twelve. You can't anymore. Now. It's like I have
Speaker 1: to hate you if I disagree with you politically. And
Speaker 1: I watched this happen. I remember the first time anyone
Speaker 1: ever told me that they were triggered by something I said.
Speaker 1: It was this playwright, this young woman, you know, and
Speaker 1: we were talking about the trans issue and I said
Speaker 1: something and she said, well, I have to stop this
Speaker 1: conversation now because I'm feeling triggered. I remember thinking, like,
Speaker 1: are you saying that in real life? Where goddamn New
Speaker 1: York artists, like we're supposed to be doing drugs and
Speaker 1: talking about whatever the hell we want to like, what
Speaker 1: is this? What is this? Like, Oh, I'm triggered, so
Speaker 1: you have to shut up. No, it's what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the New York theater scene turned into all of the
Speaker 1: quote artists who are doing the bidding of the Stasi
Speaker 1: in the Communist Party in East Germany from the lives
Speaker 1: of others. The Great movie that sort of shows, you know,
Speaker 1: there's an artist who's actually trying to write, actually trying
Speaker 1: to create. But there were plays, there were things that
Speaker 1: went on same, the same thing that you know, and
Speaker 1: the rest of the Soviet Union it was you did
Speaker 1: what they told you to do, though, right, you did
Speaker 1: what you were told to do, and and it feels
Speaker 1: like they don't recognize, you know, even when all the
Speaker 1: all these morons in Hollywood. And I do think social
Speaker 1: media is a big part of this, because we have
Speaker 1: this window into the thoughts of people who would honestly
Speaker 1: be better off and we would be better off if
Speaker 1: nobody knew their thoughts, right. I mean, Mark Ruffalo is
Speaker 1: a moron, right, very rich, very famous, He's a moron.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear what he has to say
Speaker 1: about anything, or re would it say about anything, but
Speaker 1: it will appear in my Twitter feed because he has Twitter. Now,
Speaker 1: social media has shown people. One, I think it's pushed
Speaker 1: more people to be more political in the arts, but
Speaker 1: also it is shown what a budget. I mean, Look,
Speaker 1: some people were in the arts just because they won
Speaker 1: the genetics lottery. You know, they're either super good looking,
Speaker 1: or they have a super good voice, or there's you know,
Speaker 1: or they just have God given talent in one way
Speaker 1: or another. That that's important buck, right, because because here's
Speaker 1: where Look, I write for Daily Wire. I love Daily Wire.
Speaker 1: I love what they do on their entertainment wing right.
Speaker 1: I love what all sort of conservatives. But but when
Speaker 1: conservatives say, well, why don't we just start a movie studio, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's your problem, the talented people. I went to Tish
Speaker 1: School of the Arts at NYU, which I think accepted
Speaker 1: about seven percent of its acting applicants. Right, I'm not
Speaker 1: tuning my own horn here, yea. I was just for
Speaker 1: what it's like. It's like the Harvard Business School for actors.
Speaker 1: It's the place that people. It's a famous place for actors. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just happened to be good at this, and that
Speaker 1: really is all it is. Right, Like, I didn't there
Speaker 1: was nothing special I did to be good at it.
Speaker 1: I just I've never met anybody who became a good actor.
Speaker 1: They always started that way, right. The problem that the
Speaker 1: right has is that the only way to learn those skills,
Speaker 1: to hone those skills as an actor, as a director,
Speaker 1: as a playwright, as a screenwriter, is through institutions that
Speaker 1: are completely and utterly captured by the left. And this
Speaker 1: relates back again to the whole not for profit sort
Speaker 1: of system. Right, Like we had conservative great actors in
Speaker 1: the fifties, sixties, seventies, right, John Wayne was a great actor.
Speaker 1: The problem is we don't we don't have We're not
Speaker 1: training people. We're not in the places where these people
Speaker 1: are being trained. Like nobody drops out of the sky
Speaker 1: into being the showrunner of a Disney Plus show. They're
Speaker 1: coming through theater companies, they're coming through universities. So Daily
Speaker 1: Wire and all these other places can do all they want,
Speaker 1: but if you're not developing the talent, you're not going
Speaker 1: to have the talent. Well, this is this sounds a
Speaker 1: little bit like whenever I talk to Americans who are
Speaker 1: really into sports about why a country of three hundred
Speaker 1: and forty million people with so many of the best
Speaker 1: athletes in the world can't put together a soccer team
Speaker 1: worth a damn And by that that the conversation is
Speaker 1: because if you grow up in Europe or Latin America
Speaker 1: or a handful of other places, but really those are
Speaker 1: the two major ones, you have access to sub professional
Speaker 1: leagues or sort of junior professional leagues where people start
Speaker 1: playing for the you know, the club team, junior team
Speaker 1: at like age twelve. I think in the case of
Speaker 1: lion Le Messi, he was basically like training to be
Speaker 1: a professional soccer player at age eight or age nine.
Speaker 1: And it's true of professional tennis players too. I mean
Speaker 1: they have to be going at that and so if
Speaker 1: you had no access, if you have no access to
Speaker 1: those pipelines, you can't compete. And I did. But it's
Speaker 1: also cultural. Remember being a teenager and I'm I'm wearing
Speaker 1: a Glasgow Celtics at Jersey at the moment, but I
Speaker 1: love Argentina. There there there, my, oh my god, and
Speaker 1: they I cried buck when they won the World Cup
Speaker 1: and I was watching it with my twelve year old
Speaker 1: son and he was like you, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you watch that match, but it was like I did
Speaker 1: it was the most insane match ever. And when when
Speaker 1: that final PK went in, I literally cried and Charlie's like,
Speaker 1: you know, are you okay? Dad? I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, these are these are good, These are you know,
Speaker 1: tears of joy. Um. But but the other thing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember being in Mexico when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: and I remember seeing like this little kid was carrying
Speaker 1: a balloon and he dropped the balloon and what he
Speaker 1: did was he kicked it up back into his hands, right,
Speaker 1: just a little flick with his foot back into his hands.
Speaker 1: I thought, any American kid is reaching down and picking
Speaker 1: that ballot up. So yeah, yeah, I mean there there
Speaker 1: is this cultural thing of like, you know, you have
Speaker 1: this or you don't have this. And for artists, for
Speaker 1: anyone who like I did, got seduced by theater or
Speaker 1: by writing or by you know, playwriting, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: everywhere that you're getting shunted into is going to be
Speaker 1: constantly preaching wokeness to you. You just can't escape it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The communists have infiltrated all of these pipelines and all
Speaker 1: these institutions of culture and of art, and they completely
Speaker 1: dominate them in a way that people that have never
Speaker 1: even been exposed to that world at all, I think
Speaker 1: are shocked at at the way you know that the things.
Speaker 1: By the way, increasingly, it's true of law schools too.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's through of a lot of places
Speaker 1: that people wouldn't even expect it. It's true of medicine,
Speaker 1: as we saw during COVID. I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about New York actually here David in just a second.
Speaker 1: So yeah, before we get to that, just if I
Speaker 1: can make just one last point point about this. When
Speaker 1: I was openly conservative in the New York theater, seeing
Speaker 1: there was an interesting thing that would happen, somebody would
Speaker 1: come up to me and say, hey, you know, my
Speaker 1: boyfriend's a conservative, or you know, hey, I'm a libertarian.
Speaker 1: I don't really feel comfortable talking about this, but and
Speaker 1: it was like a champagne bottle being uncorked. Once these
Speaker 1: people felt like they were safe having this conversation, you
Speaker 1: couldn't stop it. Right. That's the energy of the Trump rally. Really.
Speaker 1: It's one of these people who can't say at work,
Speaker 1: I think Trump is Maybe they get to a Trump
Speaker 1: rally and they're like, oh my god, I can actually
Speaker 1: say what I think, well, this is like when I
Speaker 1: lived in DC during the Trump presidency and I would
Speaker 1: go to the Trump Hotel. I also went to the
Speaker 1: you know, the White House for interviews and things like
Speaker 1: that on occasion, but I would go to the Trump
Speaker 1: Hotel and you'd walk in there and it was like
Speaker 1: you had entered an alternate universe where everybody was friendly
Speaker 1: and able to speak about their conservatism and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: isn't it great what you just saw? And you know, oh,
Speaker 1: we could all laugh about CNN. And you would leave
Speaker 1: and it was as though, yeah, it was this big,
Speaker 1: grandios hotel and everybody knew that Trump was the owner
Speaker 1: and everything else. But you would leave and you walk
Speaker 1: around DC and you didn't talk about I mean, DC
Speaker 1: is ninety six percent Democrat or ninety seven percent democrat.
Speaker 1: You do not if you were a right winger and
Speaker 1: you let on in DC in the wrong circles that
Speaker 1: that's who you are, it gets really uncomfortable and uh
Speaker 1: and really tense very quickly. There was a dance. There
Speaker 1: was a dance that I would do with people in
Speaker 1: Brooklyn when I was living in Brooklyn. Right like, you know,
Speaker 1: you'd meet one of your neighbors. You'd be talking to
Speaker 1: somebody at the you know, at the restaurant or the
Speaker 1: bar or whatever, and you kind of got this sense
Speaker 1: of like, wait a minute, maybe you're a conservative. And
Speaker 1: I was talking to this about I was talking about
Speaker 1: this to one of my editors once and they made
Speaker 1: a great point. They said, it's almost like and this
Speaker 1: was a gay this was like a gay man. He said,
Speaker 1: It's almost like the dance that gay men would have
Speaker 1: to go through of like wait a minute, are you
Speaker 1: you know, like is this right? And you go, oh,
Speaker 1: you are a trumpe support. Oh well, you know, we
Speaker 1: could talk about this now. There was this sort of
Speaker 1: like feeling out period of like, am I willing to
Speaker 1: tell you that this is what my politics are the
Speaker 1: same way as am I willing to tell you you
Speaker 1: know what my sort of sexual situation is. That Sorry
Speaker 1: if that was weird, but I think the analogy is
Speaker 1: actually somewhat app I want to ask you about New York,
Speaker 1: but first we're gonna talk about New York. Isn't what's
Speaker 1: happening to it? What has happened to it, and how
Speaker 1: it's happening in other cities also all across America but
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Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm gonna send it though, because
Speaker 1: you don't live in New York anymore. What happened? No,
Speaker 1: I I've moved to West Virginia, which you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people who who know me found strange. Um. Look,
Speaker 1: it wasn't you know. I love New York City, I
Speaker 1: really do and I always will. It was mostly about
Speaker 1: my kid, who's about to be a teenager. And I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this because I've been, you know, asked
Speaker 1: this question a lot. And when he was born twelve
Speaker 1: years ago. If you had said to me, your fifteen
Speaker 1: year old son and some of his buddies want to
Speaker 1: like take the subway to Manhattan, you know, go to
Speaker 1: the movies, go see a concert, whatever it is, they'll
Speaker 1: be back by eleven on the subway. I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I can't think that anymore. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to my son's mom and and you know, both
Speaker 1: of us sort of realizing this. It's just not a
Speaker 1: good place for a teenager to be. If I didn't
Speaker 1: have a kid, I'd probably still be in New York.
Speaker 1: But you know, and the schools, I mean, every day
Speaker 1: buck was like Pridday or BLM Day or something. You know,
Speaker 1: it just became untenable. What happened? Why? How did how did?
Speaker 1: How did it turn into this? I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I my first month in college in New
Speaker 1: York City was in nineteen ninety four, no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, and I remember sitting at Cafe Reggio,
Speaker 1: which if anybody goes to New York, you have to
Speaker 1: go to Cafe Reggio in McDougall Street. It's the best
Speaker 1: place in the city. Remember, I love that whole area
Speaker 1: of Greenwich Village, but right around there in particular, there's
Speaker 1: like a romance. I just remember so many nights going
Speaker 1: out there, drinks and restaurants and chase in life. There
Speaker 1: there is something about New York City at its peak,
Speaker 1: that you are living your life in a film or
Speaker 1: a novel. It's a special it. Look, it is a
Speaker 1: special place. I felt that way my whole life growing
Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, and you know, so I'm at Reggio
Speaker 1: and we find out Giuliani one and it was like
Speaker 1: whoa right again no cell phones? So there's I think
Speaker 1: the owner just walked in. He goes with Giuliani one.
Speaker 1: He had beaten David Dinkins and within two or three
Speaker 1: years Giuliani had really turned the city around in remarkable ways.
Speaker 1: And New York City is, of course, you know, deep blue.
Speaker 1: But let's not forget from ninety three until was it
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen when they Blasio was elected, there was no
Speaker 1: Democrat elected mayor. What a huge difference and how impactful
Speaker 1: that was. There. There was stuff that I didn't love
Speaker 1: about Bloomberg, and unfortunately Bloomberg became an independent and that
Speaker 1: really I think that really hurt the city when he
Speaker 1: did that in a lot of ways. But the city
Speaker 1: was growing, it was safe, and the police department was,
Speaker 1: i mean just the best in the world. And that
Speaker 1: was the city that I moved to, and that was
Speaker 1: the city that I loved and de Blasio destroyed it.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to believe that Eric Adams is
Speaker 1: trying to get it back, but the man doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to have a whole lot of backbone. Yeah. What is
Speaker 1: it that you think would be the single most important
Speaker 1: focus in New York City to bring it back? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously crime, But how is it enforcing the law across
Speaker 1: the board? Is it even possible to have a single focus.
Speaker 1: Is it just that the system has so deteriorated that
Speaker 1: you have to have a menu of fifteen things you
Speaker 1: have to do differently. You have to prosecute everybody who
Speaker 1: breaks the law, you have to actually enforce sentences, You
Speaker 1: have to away from no cash bail. You have to
Speaker 1: clean up the streets, I mean literally clean up the streets, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it just felt like there was an all
Speaker 1: across the board collapse of what New Yorkers, irrespective of
Speaker 1: how they felt about national gun policy or abortion or
Speaker 1: foreign policy or whatever. I grew up with this belief
Speaker 1: that New Yorkers, because of the change the city had,
Speaker 1: they realized, Hey, we can actually just all agree we
Speaker 1: want safety, clean streets, functioning local services, and bureaucracy you know,
Speaker 1: improving schools at best. But you know, there are some
Speaker 1: amazing public schools in New York City, for example. People
Speaker 1: always trashed the public school system. There are world class
Speaker 1: public schools in New York City. They're just also a
Speaker 1: lot of bad ones in New York City. But that
Speaker 1: we all could agree on those things, and so let's
Speaker 1: just focus on that as a city. We can argue
Speaker 1: about the national political stuff you know later. But I
Speaker 1: feel like that went away. I feel like in the
Speaker 1: era of Trump in particular, and Deblasio got all this going,
Speaker 1: it just turned into, you know, if I con virtue
Speaker 1: signal from my four million dollars duplex on the Upper
Speaker 1: West Side about how much I care about BLM, So
Speaker 1: what if some old ladies get bludgeoned by lunatics with
Speaker 1: hatchets in midtown? That's pretty much what it felt like
Speaker 1: the city turned into. I think a great example is
Speaker 1: Stop Question and Frisk. Right, So, Stop Question in Frisk
Speaker 1: was just enormously successful in lowering gun violence in New
Speaker 1: York City. And pardon me, an interesting thing happened, right
Speaker 1: de Blasio ends Stop Question in Frisk. And there may
Speaker 1: have been excesses, like like maybe the police went a
Speaker 1: little too far sometimes with this, de Blasio ends it
Speaker 1: and a year, two years, three years into it, everybody goes, oh, look,
Speaker 1: no big difference in gun violence. See like the thing
Speaker 1: didn't work. Then gun violence starts to spike. Why because
Speaker 1: what stop question in Frisk did was it said to
Speaker 1: gang members and career criminals, you can't walk around just
Speaker 1: holding a gun on your body, because if you do,
Speaker 1: you might get stopped, you might get frisked, and you
Speaker 1: might end up at Riker's Island for having this illegal gun.
Speaker 1: So they would leave the illegal gun either at home
Speaker 1: or in a stashbox or wherever it went. Now, the
Speaker 1: difference between gang incitement or criminal incitement when someone has
Speaker 1: a gun on their person versus when they have to
Speaker 1: take twenty minutes to go get the gun, think about
Speaker 1: it and come back. That's a cultural change. And sure enough,
Speaker 1: five six years later, these gun death rates are back,
Speaker 1: not to where they were in the eighties, but getting
Speaker 1: there right because we're not disincentivizing that kind of behavior.
Speaker 1: It's everything is permissive. And you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Can I tell you one thing that I was experiencing
Speaker 1: before I moved to Florida that Um, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: thing that was rare. It was a thing that would
Speaker 1: happen every few weeks. People would follow me on in
Speaker 1: the streets and every New York w R I know.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that really pisses me off
Speaker 1: to is, you know, if you ever share this stuff publicly,
Speaker 1: or if I tweet about it or something, you'll always
Speaker 1: have some little beta mail who looks like he hasn't gotten,
Speaker 1: you know, any sunlight or eating any red meat in
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years, would be think that you had
Speaker 1: to deal with problems. And it's like, this is everybody, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is happening to people all the time. Everyone I know.
Speaker 1: You would have not a panhandler sitting there with a
Speaker 1: cup saying, hey, can you help me out? You know,
Speaker 1: I get it and give him, you know, as you
Speaker 1: have every New York as we give money to people,
Speaker 1: even though a lot of times it's just got to
Speaker 1: go to drug use and we actually shouldn't and then
Speaker 1: should get into the shelter system. And that's the reality
Speaker 1: of it. But that's all other conversation. But you have
Speaker 1: guys who walk after you, who are able bodied, maybe
Speaker 1: mid late twenties, who are saying, hey, man, I need
Speaker 1: some money. I need some money to take the subway.
Speaker 1: And if you just keep walking, they keep walking with you,
Speaker 1: and then they start screaming profanity at you. They'll call
Speaker 1: you names, they'll curse at you, they'll try to instigate
Speaker 1: some kind of an incident with you or intimidate you
Speaker 1: in giving them money. I must have had that happen
Speaker 1: five or six times in my last year in New
Speaker 1: York City, really ugly, because you know, I'm quiet, I'm quiet,
Speaker 1: and I keep walking. I had to turn around on
Speaker 1: two separate occasions be like, you're going to back away
Speaker 1: or this is going to actually be a problem and
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, oh and so tough guy or something.
Speaker 1: Or you could let somebody keep, you know, shouting in
Speaker 1: your face that they're gonna beat the crap out of
Speaker 1: you and you know, kill your whole family unless you
Speaker 1: give them five dollars. Like this is what you were
Speaker 1: dealing with the New York City. All of those people
Speaker 1: are criminals. All of the people doing this have committed
Speaker 1: all kinds of felonies in their past. It is never
Speaker 1: a surprise when they finally get arrested for stabbing grandma
Speaker 1: with an ice pick, and yet the libs are all, oh,
Speaker 1: we incarcerat too many people. No, we don't. Actually, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but we don't. I'll tell you a funny story. So
Speaker 1: it's like two weeks ago or something like the one
Speaker 1: place I still like to walk right, Like West Virginia
Speaker 1: is not a big walking place, but I can walk
Speaker 1: to seven eleven. Takes me about twelve minutes to get there,
Speaker 1: twelve minutes to get back, and so I often sort
Speaker 1: of walk over to seven eleven. And I'm walking to
Speaker 1: seven eleven and this big, you know, sort of like
Speaker 1: you know, black pickup truck is slowing down behind me
Speaker 1: and like coming to a stop next to me, and
Speaker 1: all of my Brooklyn instincts kick in. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like what is this? Like what am I
Speaker 1: going to deal with here? So like I get the
Speaker 1: face on, like I'm ready to go right and the
Speaker 1: guy lowers his window and he's sitting there with his
Speaker 1: wife and he says, you know, hey, I'm Jake. I'm
Speaker 1: new to the neighborhood. You know, I'm new here. I'm
Speaker 1: a pastor and we're starting a new church if you're interested,
Speaker 1: And he hands me a flyer and I felt so
Speaker 1: dirty buck. I just I just I felt like I
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, I got you, horrible person. Your your
Speaker 1: first instinct here was somebody wants something from you. Somebody's
Speaker 1: you know, trying to take advantage of you. And here
Speaker 1: was a guy who was like, Hey, I'm starting a church,
Speaker 1: do you want to come? You know? And I'm a
Speaker 1: Catholic and it was Presbyterian or something, so I can't.
Speaker 1: But still, yeah, you were like, come back to me
Speaker 1: when you got the real thing. I'm kidding. I'm kidding no,
Speaker 1: but but you understand what I'm saying right like, Like
Speaker 1: that was just a moment where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not in Brooklyn anymore. Yeah, I mean, look, I'm as,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you right now, David m As, we're
Speaker 1: sitting down having this chat that I'm not kidding. The
Speaker 1: next place I am going as soon as we're done,
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick up my brand new Daniel Defense
Speaker 1: a AR fifteen and and I'm excited because you know
Speaker 1: what else I'm probably gonna do. I'm probably gonna get
Speaker 1: myself a saccato. I might actually also get a Baretta
Speaker 1: shotgun so I can go clay pigeon shooting and maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, if I want. I don't like hunting, but
Speaker 1: I like to clay pigeon shoot. But I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: do that. And it's so weird because I was trained
Speaker 1: by the government to use pistols. I am four fully automatic,
Speaker 1: sort of like the Air fifteen. I was trained by
Speaker 1: the government to do these things. I came back home,
Speaker 1: lived in New York, and they disarmed me. You're not
Speaker 1: allowed to have it. Now I have any of these things.
Speaker 1: And I live in the Free State of Florida. And
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, you're a citizen, you're an American, you
Speaker 1: have Second Moraendment rights, You're allowed to go buy guns.
Speaker 1: It's actually hard to process that. I mean, I love it,
Speaker 1: but there's this there's I almost feel like I'm going
Speaker 1: to go into the guns store here in Florida and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be like FBI guys waiting like, hey, we
Speaker 1: you know you're not allowed to buy We fooled them again,
Speaker 1: Like you're not allowed to buy guns, like you're a
Speaker 1: you're a New Yorker. It's like, well, actually, I'm a
Speaker 1: Floridian Now I live in Florida, and driver's license Florida.
Speaker 1: I live in Florida, and well, pick your poison. You know,
Speaker 1: you can go, you can go buy a gun wherever
Speaker 1: you want. In New York, you could have, you know,
Speaker 1: bought weed or a joint in nanny bodega. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: I also I think, look, this is a whole other
Speaker 1: thing too, you know, and I need to have you
Speaker 1: back because we're even going over time. But like I
Speaker 1: enjoy just David and I are friends in real life.
Speaker 1: I enjoy just talking about all this stuff because I
Speaker 1: think I'm somebody who will admit that I think I
Speaker 1: was fooled by the libertarian case for we extending into
Speaker 1: even more and more permissive laws about not just marijuana,
Speaker 1: but you know, these drug programs and everything it is
Speaker 1: that it is. Unfortunately, the degradation of society. Fentonel is
Speaker 1: more dangerous than anything else we have ever seen by far.
Speaker 1: And we all have this idea of like we just
Speaker 1: need to treat, we just need to treat the drugs.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever be able to stop this
Speaker 1: stuff as long as people want it. I'm not naive,
Speaker 1: but as a society, I do think we have to
Speaker 1: say you just can't do this stuff. You can't sell it.
Speaker 1: If you sell it, you have to be in you know,
Speaker 1: held to be I'll tell you though, buck on the
Speaker 1: gun on the gun thing. Um, I'm really on the
Speaker 1: fence because you know, I feel safe in my community
Speaker 1: and stuff. But um, I don't. I've never felt responsible
Speaker 1: enough to be a gun owner, like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm the person who would lose it. But see here
Speaker 1: that you started out in this conversation. You started out
Speaker 1: by saying, you know, obviously you're in West Virginia, plenty
Speaker 1: of guns. Um, you started out by saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I A lot of people in my
Speaker 1: community though, do have it. Yeah, but that makes the
Speaker 1: whole community safer. I mean, you go to a state,
Speaker 1: for example, that has concealed carry, and the bad guys
Speaker 1: have to think about if I go into this place
Speaker 1: and I just want to rob. I want to take
Speaker 1: the watch and wallet of every person in this in
Speaker 1: this restaurant of forty people, it's probably somebody in there
Speaker 1: in Texas and Florida and West Virginia who's armed up
Speaker 1: in It's a city, it's a different now, it's free,
Speaker 1: it's a free for all. You got up in Philly,
Speaker 1: I grew up in Philly, I spent my some my
Speaker 1: adulthood in New York. And the obvious answer there is
Speaker 1: give them your watch, give them your wallet, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's it, like like that's just that's what we're all
Speaker 1: taught to do. That's that's that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Um No, I mean the notion of like maybe I
Speaker 1: have a gun on me and I can tell this
Speaker 1: guy not to that's very that's honestly very foreign to me. Buck. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I've been trained. So the good news is, David, when
Speaker 1: we go out to dinner in Florida, UM, I'll probably
Speaker 1: be strapped, and if anything bad happens, I'll take care
Speaker 1: of you. I gotta leave it into trouble. That's funny,
Speaker 1: the Florida guy taking care of the West Virginia guys.
Speaker 1: Hey man, David, Where should people go to follow you?
Speaker 1: Follow your work? And I really will come back. I
Speaker 1: want to talk drugs with you. I want to talk
Speaker 1: illegal immigration, cartels, all kinds of stuff. So we'll do
Speaker 1: that next month. But where should people go to follow
Speaker 1: your work? I'm at blue Box Dave, on Twitter and
Speaker 1: on pretty much most of the platforms that you know,
Speaker 1: you can meet me at Daily Mail, Daily Wire, Fox News, Spectator,
Speaker 1: Human Events. Um. You know, I try to try to
Speaker 1: You know what I like to do, Buck is is
Speaker 1: I want to write for everybody who's on the right,
Speaker 1: because I think we have these factions now. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes there's in fighting. I like everybody. I think everybody's
Speaker 1: fighting the good fight, and so I like to be
Speaker 1: out there. I actually agree with you. That's why I
Speaker 1: don't take shots at right wing people on the very
Speaker 1: large radio show that I do every day. I don't
Speaker 1: do it. I mean politicians, yes, but people in the media.
Speaker 1: We're all on the same team. David. Great to see you,
Speaker 1: my man, talk next time. Okay, thanks for having me man. Okay,