1 00:00:11,657 --> 00:00:14,937 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,937 --> 00:00:17,577 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeart Radio app 3 00:00:17,857 --> 00:00:21,017 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to 4 00:00:21,057 --> 00:00:24,337 Speaker 1: another episode of The Buck Sexton Show. I have my 5 00:00:24,497 --> 00:00:28,977 Speaker 1: friend David Marcus joining us now. David Marcus is a 6 00:00:28,977 --> 00:00:31,977 Speaker 1: calumnist for a whole bunch of places. You probably get 7 00:00:31,977 --> 00:00:36,217 Speaker 1: the News, Daily Mail, New York Post, Spectator. He's a 8 00:00:36,257 --> 00:00:38,257 Speaker 1: writer and he has a lot of thoughts and a 9 00:00:38,257 --> 00:00:40,217 Speaker 1: lot of things. He's with us now. David, great to 10 00:00:40,217 --> 00:00:45,177 Speaker 1: have you back. Thanks for having me. Man. So how 11 00:00:45,217 --> 00:00:47,417 Speaker 1: are we? How are we doing with this whole saving 12 00:00:47,417 --> 00:00:50,337 Speaker 1: the country thing these days? On the right? How's the 13 00:00:50,337 --> 00:00:56,497 Speaker 1: whole conservative project chugging along at this point? You know, 14 00:00:56,577 --> 00:01:00,817 Speaker 1: I have a lot of optimism for it, honestly, maybe 15 00:01:00,857 --> 00:01:03,657 Speaker 1: more than a lot of people do on the right. 16 00:01:04,897 --> 00:01:07,177 Speaker 1: Part of what I do, a big part of what 17 00:01:07,217 --> 00:01:10,457 Speaker 1: I do is try to look at try to anallize 18 00:01:10,537 --> 00:01:13,697 Speaker 1: and look at what's happening on the right. I don't 19 00:01:13,697 --> 00:01:16,777 Speaker 1: really take a lot of sides. I just want to know, like, 20 00:01:16,897 --> 00:01:19,937 Speaker 1: where are we? And I do think that when you 21 00:01:19,977 --> 00:01:22,657 Speaker 1: look at some of the things that for example, governors 22 00:01:22,697 --> 00:01:26,417 Speaker 1: de Santists and young ken are doing with education in 23 00:01:26,457 --> 00:01:32,417 Speaker 1: Florida and Virginia. When you look at I think Kevin 24 00:01:32,457 --> 00:01:36,897 Speaker 1: McCarthy sort of proving some of his critics, if not wrong, 25 00:01:37,017 --> 00:01:41,577 Speaker 1: at least reassuring them that he was going to be 26 00:01:41,617 --> 00:01:46,177 Speaker 1: a different kind of leader for Republicans. I do think 27 00:01:46,177 --> 00:01:50,937 Speaker 1: there's a lot to be optimistic about. Well, that's good news. 28 00:01:51,897 --> 00:01:54,337 Speaker 1: That's I don't sorry to be the best, sorry to 29 00:01:54,337 --> 00:01:56,417 Speaker 1: be the bearer of good news. No, I was gonna say. 30 00:01:56,417 --> 00:02:00,057 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's that's encouraging. Obviously, everyone's gearing 31 00:02:00,137 --> 00:02:03,937 Speaker 1: up for some kind of a Hulk versus the thing 32 00:02:04,097 --> 00:02:08,417 Speaker 1: throw down between Trump and Desantists, and I keep telling everybody, 33 00:02:08,577 --> 00:02:12,257 Speaker 1: you know, we we have all these expectations that don't 34 00:02:12,337 --> 00:02:15,177 Speaker 1: end up coming true. In politics, maybe it it'd be 35 00:02:15,177 --> 00:02:18,017 Speaker 1: best to one be humble about what we can and 36 00:02:18,057 --> 00:02:21,857 Speaker 1: cannot predict, and to just watch events as they as 37 00:02:21,897 --> 00:02:26,297 Speaker 1: they play out, instead of assuming that everything is set 38 00:02:26,377 --> 00:02:29,977 Speaker 1: long before it actually happens. And you know, I think 39 00:02:29,977 --> 00:02:33,417 Speaker 1: the midterm elections were an exercise in that at some level. 40 00:02:33,857 --> 00:02:36,817 Speaker 1: But I also feel like on the right, you know, 41 00:02:36,857 --> 00:02:40,417 Speaker 1: we look at polls, for example, we look at so 42 00:02:40,457 --> 00:02:44,417 Speaker 1: many people are dissatisfied with Joe Biden, with the economy 43 00:02:44,617 --> 00:02:46,977 Speaker 1: right now, and you know the state of the Union 44 00:02:47,537 --> 00:02:52,137 Speaker 1: that Biden has has done this week, but yet they 45 00:02:52,177 --> 00:02:54,777 Speaker 1: still vote for him, right, I mean, this is this 46 00:02:54,857 --> 00:02:56,697 Speaker 1: is where I think. And I know people say, oh, 47 00:02:56,737 --> 00:02:59,577 Speaker 1: eighty million people didn't vote for Biden. Just there are 48 00:02:59,577 --> 00:03:02,857 Speaker 1: a lot of really really devoted Democrats out there who 49 00:03:02,857 --> 00:03:04,977 Speaker 1: are lunatics who'll vote for Joe Biden. Folks, Okay, there 50 00:03:05,297 --> 00:03:06,377 Speaker 1: are a lot of them. I don't I don't know 51 00:03:06,457 --> 00:03:10,577 Speaker 1: how many exactly, but there are a lot of them. Yeah, listen. 52 00:03:10,577 --> 00:03:12,977 Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting a couple days after the 53 00:03:13,057 --> 00:03:17,497 Speaker 1: mid terms when it seemed like once again, the entire 54 00:03:17,617 --> 00:03:20,817 Speaker 1: National Review, right, and I love National Review. I've written 55 00:03:20,817 --> 00:03:22,297 Speaker 1: for them. I think I think they do a really 56 00:03:22,337 --> 00:03:25,857 Speaker 1: good job. But this whole crowd was like, okay, this 57 00:03:25,937 --> 00:03:28,137 Speaker 1: is the end of Trump. Right. I thought they were 58 00:03:28,137 --> 00:03:30,657 Speaker 1: going to do another one of these like never Trump, Okay, 59 00:03:30,657 --> 00:03:32,897 Speaker 1: now we all have to get behind desantists. And this 60 00:03:32,937 --> 00:03:36,057 Speaker 1: is what I said, slow your role, guys, like like, 61 00:03:37,097 --> 00:03:41,257 Speaker 1: this is this is not how this works. And I 62 00:03:41,297 --> 00:03:46,897 Speaker 1: spoke to a couple of guys at a bar pub 63 00:03:47,177 --> 00:03:50,097 Speaker 1: restaurant in Brooklyn's a place called the Salty Dog, which 64 00:03:50,257 --> 00:03:53,257 Speaker 1: if you're ever in Bay Ridge, it's great. And they 65 00:03:53,257 --> 00:03:56,857 Speaker 1: were both Trump voters who do exist in Brooklyn, and 66 00:03:56,937 --> 00:03:59,537 Speaker 1: I asked them very specifically, I said, what do you 67 00:03:59,577 --> 00:04:03,497 Speaker 1: want to see? Do you want to see the establishment 68 00:04:03,617 --> 00:04:05,737 Speaker 1: and the donors and the elite sort of put their 69 00:04:05,817 --> 00:04:09,497 Speaker 1: thumb on the scale for desantist because we don't think 70 00:04:09,497 --> 00:04:13,017 Speaker 1: Trump is actable? Or do you want to just have 71 00:04:13,097 --> 00:04:17,257 Speaker 1: the fair fight? And these guys were open to de Santis, 72 00:04:17,297 --> 00:04:20,457 Speaker 1: but they said they want the fair fight. Right. That's 73 00:04:20,497 --> 00:04:23,577 Speaker 1: the key. Everyone's worried, like, oh, Trump's voters are you know, 74 00:04:23,617 --> 00:04:25,537 Speaker 1: He's going to run third party and they're going to 75 00:04:25,617 --> 00:04:28,417 Speaker 1: go away. I think that's far less likely if the 76 00:04:28,497 --> 00:04:31,617 Speaker 1: voters understand that we just get to make a choice, 77 00:04:31,657 --> 00:04:34,177 Speaker 1: as opposed to, as The New York Times reported this week, 78 00:04:34,417 --> 00:04:38,577 Speaker 1: the Koch brothers saying We're gonna consolidate behind an alternative. 79 00:04:39,217 --> 00:04:42,737 Speaker 1: People think it's I think it's strange, you know, because 80 00:04:42,937 --> 00:04:46,097 Speaker 1: there definitely is a I think it's probably a small 81 00:04:46,097 --> 00:04:49,657 Speaker 1: but loud minority within the right, but there are definitely 82 00:04:49,657 --> 00:04:53,697 Speaker 1: people who take this position of you're supposed to know 83 00:04:54,777 --> 00:04:59,577 Speaker 1: now who you want to be the presidential nominee and 84 00:04:59,657 --> 00:05:03,057 Speaker 1: to this, and they think it's it's being a you know, 85 00:05:03,097 --> 00:05:05,737 Speaker 1: a whimp or a fencitter or something like this. And 86 00:05:05,777 --> 00:05:09,417 Speaker 1: I sit here and say, well, I knew in twenty 87 00:05:09,457 --> 00:05:13,857 Speaker 1: sixteen that the nominee was supposed to be Ted Cruz 88 00:05:14,217 --> 00:05:17,977 Speaker 1: or Marco Rubio or Ben Carson or you know, right, 89 00:05:18,017 --> 00:05:21,217 Speaker 1: I mean what you know ain't so over the course 90 00:05:21,257 --> 00:05:24,657 Speaker 1: of a primary, I realized over the course of that 91 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:26,457 Speaker 1: primary was like, oh my gosh, it is gonna be Trump. 92 00:05:26,457 --> 00:05:29,217 Speaker 1: He's got something special, he's saying something special. There's something 93 00:05:29,257 --> 00:05:34,577 Speaker 1: different here, and I don't understand. Well, maybe understanding isn't 94 00:05:34,617 --> 00:05:36,337 Speaker 1: with the right question a right way to approach it. 95 00:05:36,377 --> 00:05:38,137 Speaker 1: But I think that there are a lot of people 96 00:05:38,897 --> 00:05:42,977 Speaker 1: that want want us all to forget that there's a 97 00:05:43,057 --> 00:05:46,737 Speaker 1: nomination process for a reason. That the fight, that the battle, 98 00:05:46,777 --> 00:05:50,737 Speaker 1: that the back and forth, the conversation, the debate in 99 00:05:50,777 --> 00:05:53,297 Speaker 1: front of the American people between people that want the 100 00:05:53,337 --> 00:05:55,817 Speaker 1: most powerful job in the world is part of the 101 00:05:55,817 --> 00:05:57,977 Speaker 1: process and a good thing. And it is okay to 102 00:05:57,977 --> 00:06:01,657 Speaker 1: say I want to see this play out. Yeah. Absolutely, 103 00:06:01,737 --> 00:06:05,337 Speaker 1: And I think that you know, when you get off 104 00:06:05,377 --> 00:06:08,297 Speaker 1: of Twitter and when you get, you know, as I have, 105 00:06:08,417 --> 00:06:12,057 Speaker 1: notwithstanding my background recently, you know, gotten out of New 106 00:06:12,137 --> 00:06:14,937 Speaker 1: York City. Right when you get out of like the 107 00:06:15,057 --> 00:06:20,177 Speaker 1: places where the pundents stomp the terra, one of the 108 00:06:20,217 --> 00:06:23,817 Speaker 1: things that you realize is that electability is a big 109 00:06:23,857 --> 00:06:26,337 Speaker 1: deal on Twitter. It's not a big deal in the 110 00:06:26,417 --> 00:06:33,817 Speaker 1: minds of American voters. Even in primaries, right, voters don't say, well, 111 00:06:33,897 --> 00:06:37,217 Speaker 1: I'm going to make you know, I'm playing Monopoly here 112 00:06:37,217 --> 00:06:39,657 Speaker 1: and I'm going to make the smartest choice and try 113 00:06:39,697 --> 00:06:43,137 Speaker 1: to you know, game the system. No, they like somebody. 114 00:06:44,337 --> 00:06:47,417 Speaker 1: They say, oh, this guy says stuff that I like. 115 00:06:48,017 --> 00:06:51,177 Speaker 1: I want this guy. And even if they were trying 116 00:06:51,177 --> 00:06:53,737 Speaker 1: to game the system and say, well, what's the electability game, 117 00:06:54,017 --> 00:06:56,457 Speaker 1: they're likely to land on other people are going to 118 00:06:56,577 --> 00:07:00,617 Speaker 1: like what I like. Right, So we can all tweet about, like, 119 00:07:01,017 --> 00:07:03,217 Speaker 1: you know, the polls and this and that. But at 120 00:07:03,257 --> 00:07:05,657 Speaker 1: the end of the day, voters really say, does this 121 00:07:05,697 --> 00:07:09,697 Speaker 1: guy or woman you know means something to me? It? 122 00:07:09,817 --> 00:07:12,457 Speaker 1: Is it yogi berra? Who is credit with it? And 123 00:07:12,537 --> 00:07:14,497 Speaker 1: over to the fat ladies sings is that right? I 124 00:07:14,737 --> 00:07:16,737 Speaker 1: don't know who? Or is that just a phrase that 125 00:07:16,777 --> 00:07:19,017 Speaker 1: everybody is I know, he's deja vu all over again, 126 00:07:19,057 --> 00:07:22,217 Speaker 1: which of course is a pretty funny little he was, Yeah, yeah, 127 00:07:22,257 --> 00:07:24,577 Speaker 1: he was definitely that. I don't know if it's it 128 00:07:24,577 --> 00:07:27,537 Speaker 1: in over to the fat ladies sings um. This is 129 00:07:27,577 --> 00:07:30,897 Speaker 1: also something that I think in politics is pretty funny 130 00:07:30,937 --> 00:07:33,817 Speaker 1: that we keep having to relearn this. And I just 131 00:07:33,817 --> 00:07:35,857 Speaker 1: wouldn't mean this even in general. It goes beyond party. 132 00:07:35,897 --> 00:07:38,937 Speaker 1: We have to relearn the same lessons because we talk 133 00:07:39,017 --> 00:07:43,577 Speaker 1: about things like electability. And you know, this is going 134 00:07:43,617 --> 00:07:46,977 Speaker 1: to sound so ridiculous, but I do think it's an 135 00:07:46,977 --> 00:07:50,337 Speaker 1: important reminder. You know, who's electable the person who wins. Right, 136 00:07:50,617 --> 00:07:52,777 Speaker 1: It never always goes, oh, well, this guy or that 137 00:07:52,857 --> 00:07:55,297 Speaker 1: girl is or is not. Donald Trump was not electable 138 00:07:55,377 --> 00:07:58,817 Speaker 1: until he beat the whole system. Um, you know, Ronda 139 00:07:58,897 --> 00:08:02,217 Speaker 1: Santis was not electable as even the governor of Florida, 140 00:08:02,697 --> 00:08:05,817 Speaker 1: barely was electable as the governor of Florida, and now 141 00:08:05,857 --> 00:08:09,817 Speaker 1: he just won the biggest landslide re election in the 142 00:08:10,177 --> 00:08:12,417 Speaker 1: three of the state. Right. So I just think it's 143 00:08:12,417 --> 00:08:14,897 Speaker 1: interesting because the whole concept of electability has in it 144 00:08:15,097 --> 00:08:18,737 Speaker 1: that the people that are using that word know what's 145 00:08:18,737 --> 00:08:20,817 Speaker 1: actually going to happen in the future. And one thing 146 00:08:20,857 --> 00:08:23,937 Speaker 1: that we all know for sure is you know, economists 147 00:08:23,897 --> 00:08:25,217 Speaker 1: got got a lot of heat for a while for 148 00:08:25,297 --> 00:08:29,577 Speaker 1: being wrong about everything. Political prognosticators, they've had a pretty rough, 149 00:08:29,857 --> 00:08:34,417 Speaker 1: pretty rough decade. I will say, no, it's true. And look, 150 00:08:34,457 --> 00:08:39,777 Speaker 1: the media is somewhat complicit in this. I remember back 151 00:08:39,777 --> 00:08:45,257 Speaker 1: in about August of twenty twenty two, I started feeling 152 00:08:45,337 --> 00:08:49,537 Speaker 1: like Lee Zelden maybe had a chance. And I mean 153 00:08:49,577 --> 00:08:52,257 Speaker 1: he was down twenty in the polls. I mean, you know, 154 00:08:52,817 --> 00:08:55,217 Speaker 1: and I started going to my editors, right because I'm 155 00:08:55,217 --> 00:08:58,417 Speaker 1: not staffed up, I'm independent. I write for all these 156 00:08:58,457 --> 00:09:02,697 Speaker 1: different places. I was going to everybody saying, hey, you know, 157 00:09:02,777 --> 00:09:05,417 Speaker 1: I'd like to I'd like to write something about this 158 00:09:05,577 --> 00:09:07,737 Speaker 1: Zelden campaign. Can I spend a couple of days on 159 00:09:07,777 --> 00:09:10,697 Speaker 1: the Zelden campaign, do a sort of Selena z style, 160 00:09:11,737 --> 00:09:13,137 Speaker 1: you know type, say who, by the way, I think 161 00:09:13,217 --> 00:09:15,497 Speaker 1: is the best columnist in the country. But you know, 162 00:09:15,857 --> 00:09:18,577 Speaker 1: can I do that? And everybody and this is not 163 00:09:18,617 --> 00:09:21,017 Speaker 1: to throw anybody under the bus, but everybody said, Dave, 164 00:09:21,097 --> 00:09:23,977 Speaker 1: that's it's it's a twenty point race, like this is 165 00:09:24,017 --> 00:09:29,017 Speaker 1: not a story, you know, lo and behold. By early October, 166 00:09:29,817 --> 00:09:32,737 Speaker 1: Zelden starts catching up a little bit right, the message 167 00:09:32,737 --> 00:09:37,537 Speaker 1: starts landing he damn there won that race. I did 168 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:39,297 Speaker 1: something that I never knew. I wrote a piece for 169 00:09:39,337 --> 00:09:44,097 Speaker 1: the Daily Wire saying he will win. And I was wrong. 170 00:09:45,057 --> 00:09:47,457 Speaker 1: I was almost right. But the reason I wrote it 171 00:09:47,537 --> 00:09:50,537 Speaker 1: that way was to really just throw water in the 172 00:09:50,537 --> 00:09:54,977 Speaker 1: face of people and say, like, listen, these races aren't unwinnable. 173 00:09:55,057 --> 00:09:57,497 Speaker 1: We treat them that way, and we have a responsibility 174 00:09:57,577 --> 00:10:01,617 Speaker 1: as journalists to cover them. Is Chuck Schumer going to 175 00:10:01,657 --> 00:10:03,817 Speaker 1: win by twenty points, maybe you still got to cover 176 00:10:03,857 --> 00:10:07,617 Speaker 1: the Senate race right. And by the way, I think 177 00:10:07,697 --> 00:10:11,657 Speaker 1: Joe Pinion actually did much better against Chuck Schumer. Joseph 178 00:10:12,057 --> 00:10:14,777 Speaker 1: jose a friend of mine, much better against Chuck Schumer 179 00:10:14,777 --> 00:10:19,217 Speaker 1: than anybody anticipated. And still people don't really give him 180 00:10:19,217 --> 00:10:22,657 Speaker 1: credit for it. I mean, he actually, you know, closed 181 00:10:22,657 --> 00:10:25,857 Speaker 1: the gap pretty considerably. Now, obviously it wasn't a close race. 182 00:10:25,937 --> 00:10:29,537 Speaker 1: But and but what happens if the New York Times 183 00:10:29,537 --> 00:10:31,497 Speaker 1: and the New York Post and the Washington Post and 184 00:10:31,537 --> 00:10:36,377 Speaker 1: everybody else were paying attention to that race, right, It 185 00:10:36,497 --> 00:10:40,617 Speaker 1: changes the dynamic when when journalists and when the media say, oh, well, 186 00:10:40,617 --> 00:10:45,697 Speaker 1: this is a foregone conclusion. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. Well, 187 00:10:45,737 --> 00:10:49,897 Speaker 1: I think one part of politics that we can never 188 00:10:49,977 --> 00:10:53,177 Speaker 1: get around is it is based on perception. And there 189 00:10:53,297 --> 00:10:59,697 Speaker 1: is a multibillion dollar endless perception manipulation machinery that is 190 00:10:59,697 --> 00:11:03,017 Speaker 1: at work in this country, the likes of which has 191 00:11:03,057 --> 00:11:05,577 Speaker 1: never existed in all of human history before it too, 192 00:11:05,977 --> 00:11:08,457 Speaker 1: you know, there, I think back to you know, I 193 00:11:08,497 --> 00:11:11,657 Speaker 1: like to read historical historical biographies and you know presidents, 194 00:11:11,777 --> 00:11:14,377 Speaker 1: US presidents. Obviously I'll go back and I'll read and 195 00:11:14,457 --> 00:11:17,657 Speaker 1: you'll be reminded that, you know, presidents would go on 196 00:11:19,017 --> 00:11:23,577 Speaker 1: steam train tour, they would shake hands, they would be 197 00:11:23,577 --> 00:11:25,937 Speaker 1: a couple of local papers and writes of stuff about that. 198 00:11:26,097 --> 00:11:28,137 Speaker 1: But I mean, now I can go back and I 199 00:11:28,177 --> 00:11:30,217 Speaker 1: can find you video of Joe Biden looking like a 200 00:11:30,337 --> 00:11:33,497 Speaker 1: jackass from nineteen eighty five, right, I mean in my 201 00:11:33,537 --> 00:11:37,097 Speaker 1: phone instantaneously, I mean, just the way, and that's what 202 00:11:37,177 --> 00:11:39,057 Speaker 1: I that's me looking for it. They can also make 203 00:11:39,097 --> 00:11:41,417 Speaker 1: it appear on my phone. They can also decide what 204 00:11:41,577 --> 00:11:46,577 Speaker 1: shows up in search results. So the perception management and 205 00:11:46,617 --> 00:11:51,017 Speaker 1: manipulation operation that has underwear in this country blows out 206 00:11:51,057 --> 00:11:52,697 Speaker 1: of the water anything that we've ever seen before in 207 00:11:52,777 --> 00:11:57,137 Speaker 1: human history, with the exception of maybe totalitarian states, but 208 00:11:57,257 --> 00:12:00,337 Speaker 1: you know, ours is actually much more effective, right, because 209 00:12:00,617 --> 00:12:04,177 Speaker 1: the convinced things that yeah, you know, in totalitarian state, 210 00:12:04,217 --> 00:12:08,417 Speaker 1: it's we're lying to you. Accept a liar will shoot you, right, 211 00:12:08,457 --> 00:12:10,137 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's one way to do propic and 212 00:12:10,297 --> 00:12:11,777 Speaker 1: I mean everyone kind of knows they're lying, but they 213 00:12:11,817 --> 00:12:14,137 Speaker 1: don't want to get shot. 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All right, 247 00:13:46,337 --> 00:13:49,857 Speaker 1: so you know you can talk about how we've got 248 00:13:49,897 --> 00:13:52,217 Speaker 1: some good columnists on the right, and I think that 249 00:13:52,337 --> 00:13:56,537 Speaker 1: the I think that in the realm of political philosophy, 250 00:13:57,017 --> 00:13:58,377 Speaker 1: and look, I'm just gonna say it, I think our 251 00:13:58,377 --> 00:14:00,897 Speaker 1: pundits are much smarter than their pundits. I really believe that, 252 00:14:01,537 --> 00:14:04,617 Speaker 1: just pound for pound, person for person, you know, they're 253 00:14:04,657 --> 00:14:07,777 Speaker 1: always going to be you know, standouts, exceptions and all 254 00:14:07,817 --> 00:14:10,897 Speaker 1: that on either side when they go overall because people 255 00:14:10,897 --> 00:14:12,697 Speaker 1: on the right have had to fight for it. Because 256 00:14:12,897 --> 00:14:16,977 Speaker 1: speaking of going through the gauntlet and having to hone 257 00:14:17,017 --> 00:14:19,777 Speaker 1: your skills, if you're taking an opinion on the right 258 00:14:19,817 --> 00:14:22,777 Speaker 1: and you're a person who works in any kind of communications, 259 00:14:22,897 --> 00:14:26,097 Speaker 1: you've had to deal with opposition in a meaningful way. 260 00:14:26,097 --> 00:14:27,177 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people on the left are 261 00:14:27,217 --> 00:14:30,417 Speaker 1: just products of an echo chamber in the cultural realm. Right, 262 00:14:30,457 --> 00:14:32,377 Speaker 1: you you were an actor. I want to ask you 263 00:14:32,417 --> 00:14:36,417 Speaker 1: a few more questions about that. Why don't we have more? 264 00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:39,537 Speaker 1: I understand what the movies and Netflix and all that, 265 00:14:40,017 --> 00:14:43,977 Speaker 1: it's big money. They shut us down. The wokeness terrifies 266 00:14:44,017 --> 00:14:46,897 Speaker 1: the executives, or the executives or true believers, and wokenesses 267 00:14:46,937 --> 00:14:49,777 Speaker 1: can be either one. Why don't we have Tom Wolfe 268 00:14:49,817 --> 00:14:53,017 Speaker 1: these days? Bonfire the vanities? Why don't we have great 269 00:14:53,737 --> 00:15:00,537 Speaker 1: novels that aren't explicitly politically conservative, but espouse truth without 270 00:15:00,537 --> 00:15:07,137 Speaker 1: a view to political correctness, and have traditional values as 271 00:15:07,297 --> 00:15:10,657 Speaker 1: a bedrock of the story of who the good guys are, 272 00:15:10,657 --> 00:15:16,337 Speaker 1: who the bad guys are? That kind of thing. For me, 273 00:15:16,457 --> 00:15:19,537 Speaker 1: The answer to that question has always been the fact 274 00:15:19,577 --> 00:15:26,497 Speaker 1: that the arts became a nonprofit pursuit. My first foray 275 00:15:26,697 --> 00:15:31,097 Speaker 1: into conservative journalism was my very first article at The Federalist, 276 00:15:31,657 --> 00:15:34,777 Speaker 1: which was in twenty thirteen. It was called taking Back 277 00:15:34,817 --> 00:15:36,537 Speaker 1: the Arts, and it was about why we need to 278 00:15:36,577 --> 00:15:40,297 Speaker 1: get rid of the NIA And my argument wasn't the 279 00:15:40,377 --> 00:15:43,897 Speaker 1: traditional Jesse helms like we don't want to fund piss 280 00:15:43,937 --> 00:15:46,857 Speaker 1: Christ or this is a waste of money. My argument 281 00:15:46,977 --> 00:15:51,497 Speaker 1: was this is really bad for the art form. Is 282 00:15:51,937 --> 00:15:57,137 Speaker 1: this is really making people less likely to engage in 283 00:15:57,937 --> 00:16:02,817 Speaker 1: the art form. Because what happens when an art form 284 00:16:02,857 --> 00:16:06,977 Speaker 1: moves into the not for profit model is the incentives 285 00:16:07,057 --> 00:16:12,817 Speaker 1: change completely. Right. The incentive in in in a capitalist 286 00:16:12,817 --> 00:16:17,057 Speaker 1: model is let's get audience in what does the audience want. 287 00:16:18,057 --> 00:16:22,257 Speaker 1: Once you move to a nonprofit model, whether it's in 288 00:16:22,457 --> 00:16:25,777 Speaker 1: theater companies or universities or foundations that are giving grants 289 00:16:25,857 --> 00:16:29,217 Speaker 1: or whatever. The incentive becomes what do these rich people 290 00:16:29,537 --> 00:16:33,497 Speaker 1: want and how do I get their money? And that'll 291 00:16:33,497 --> 00:16:40,897 Speaker 1: behalf my operating money. It absolutely destroys art because art 292 00:16:41,057 --> 00:16:47,137 Speaker 1: needs to be about what the audience wants, and it's 293 00:16:47,217 --> 00:16:52,017 Speaker 1: not anymore now. Now it really is about what a 294 00:16:52,097 --> 00:16:57,737 Speaker 1: bunch of woke rich people want. And it's awful. Book, 295 00:16:57,817 --> 00:17:01,137 Speaker 1: it's it's it's and we don't have it. There's some 296 00:17:01,217 --> 00:17:04,657 Speaker 1: really there's some really interesting and I've actually reached out 297 00:17:04,657 --> 00:17:06,857 Speaker 1: to a couple of them and I'm trying to arrange 298 00:17:06,897 --> 00:17:08,977 Speaker 1: times to get them on to come on onto this show. 299 00:17:09,337 --> 00:17:13,497 Speaker 1: There are some people who are doing the Twitter accounts 300 00:17:13,497 --> 00:17:16,857 Speaker 1: and you know Instagram, and you know TikTok Chinese spying 301 00:17:17,097 --> 00:17:21,257 Speaker 1: on TikTok whatever. They still exist on TikTok uh. They 302 00:17:21,337 --> 00:17:25,657 Speaker 1: do accounts where they look at the modern esthetic of 303 00:17:25,737 --> 00:17:31,377 Speaker 1: things like let's say, architecture, buildings, um everything, sports arenas, 304 00:17:32,297 --> 00:17:36,337 Speaker 1: government buildings, things like this, and and how it seems 305 00:17:36,457 --> 00:17:40,497 Speaker 1: like there's that things are getting uglier and more depressing, 306 00:17:40,777 --> 00:17:43,777 Speaker 1: and that there may be a desire to do this 307 00:17:43,817 --> 00:17:47,137 Speaker 1: on purpose at some level. That no, no, there is 308 00:17:47,337 --> 00:17:50,217 Speaker 1: that that that the left and the forces that want 309 00:17:50,217 --> 00:17:55,097 Speaker 1: collectives control believe that in suppressing beauty and the aspirational, 310 00:17:55,617 --> 00:18:00,097 Speaker 1: they create a sameness of misery that makes people easier 311 00:18:00,537 --> 00:18:03,897 Speaker 1: to control because they don't even care anymore. I mean, 312 00:18:05,137 --> 00:18:09,417 Speaker 1: to me, the most pressing example is the English language itself, Right, 313 00:18:10,537 --> 00:18:13,177 Speaker 1: Narry a week goes by that we don't see one 314 00:18:13,217 --> 00:18:17,217 Speaker 1: of these lists that says, you know, stop saying, you know, 315 00:18:18,017 --> 00:18:21,497 Speaker 1: kill two birds with one stone and instead say, you know, 316 00:18:21,577 --> 00:18:23,857 Speaker 1: eat two scones with one you know, whatever it is 317 00:18:23,897 --> 00:18:29,297 Speaker 1: that this foolishness. Here's why that's so incredibly insidious and 318 00:18:29,417 --> 00:18:35,057 Speaker 1: such a big problem. No English speaking country in the 319 00:18:35,097 --> 00:18:40,937 Speaker 1: world has ever fallen to fascism and totalitarianism. And I 320 00:18:40,937 --> 00:18:44,777 Speaker 1: would posit that the English language itself is a big 321 00:18:44,817 --> 00:18:49,337 Speaker 1: reason for that. Why Because the English language is so expansive, 322 00:18:49,417 --> 00:18:53,097 Speaker 1: It has many more words than any other language. I 323 00:18:53,097 --> 00:18:57,377 Speaker 1: think German is second. It's so flexible, right, there's no genders. 324 00:18:57,497 --> 00:18:59,697 Speaker 1: You can turn a noun into a verb. I don't 325 00:18:59,697 --> 00:19:01,657 Speaker 1: want to get two into the weeds, but you can 326 00:19:01,697 --> 00:19:03,857 Speaker 1: do things with the English language that you just can't 327 00:19:03,937 --> 00:19:08,417 Speaker 1: do with other languages. And I do think that it 328 00:19:08,497 --> 00:19:13,177 Speaker 1: protects us from to talitarianism because there's always some other 329 00:19:13,217 --> 00:19:16,177 Speaker 1: way to say. But wait a minute, what if we 330 00:19:16,257 --> 00:19:19,897 Speaker 1: look at it this way? What the Wokesters and the 331 00:19:19,937 --> 00:19:23,617 Speaker 1: progressives are trying to do to the English language is say, no, 332 00:19:24,257 --> 00:19:26,817 Speaker 1: you have to use the English language in this very 333 00:19:26,897 --> 00:19:30,857 Speaker 1: specific way, and that's the only way that the Anglisphere 334 00:19:30,937 --> 00:19:34,297 Speaker 1: will ever fall to fascism, and we have to resist it. 335 00:19:35,697 --> 00:19:40,817 Speaker 1: Well to the point about the scale of what I 336 00:19:40,857 --> 00:19:46,657 Speaker 1: call the apparatus, which is the machinery of ideological, social, political, 337 00:19:46,897 --> 00:19:53,297 Speaker 1: and and just total control that is exerted by an 338 00:19:53,337 --> 00:19:55,737 Speaker 1: ideology that it is honestly so broad and expensive that 339 00:19:55,777 --> 00:19:57,617 Speaker 1: it can be hard to define. We call it the left. 340 00:19:57,977 --> 00:20:00,217 Speaker 1: The Democrat Party is clearly an instrument of it and 341 00:20:00,377 --> 00:20:02,537 Speaker 1: an embodiment of it in America. But what we saw 342 00:20:02,617 --> 00:20:05,737 Speaker 1: during COVID is that it is also much broader, and 343 00:20:05,817 --> 00:20:08,577 Speaker 1: it is actually a global impulse. I mean, I think 344 00:20:08,577 --> 00:20:12,217 Speaker 1: it goes. It ties in with the same reason that 345 00:20:12,217 --> 00:20:17,897 Speaker 1: communism is a global ideology rooted in energizing the malcontents 346 00:20:17,937 --> 00:20:20,657 Speaker 1: of society, with the promise that if only you give 347 00:20:21,097 --> 00:20:25,297 Speaker 1: complete power to people, making the promise of absolute equality 348 00:20:25,337 --> 00:20:27,097 Speaker 1: for all, everything will be better. Of course, has you 349 00:20:27,177 --> 00:20:29,657 Speaker 1: now everything gets worse. But this is this has been 350 00:20:29,697 --> 00:20:32,297 Speaker 1: appealing to people, or at least some people in countries 351 00:20:32,657 --> 00:20:34,337 Speaker 1: all over the world, because I think at a basic 352 00:20:34,417 --> 00:20:38,897 Speaker 1: level of human nature, envy is an incredibly powerful element 353 00:20:38,977 --> 00:20:42,097 Speaker 1: in politics and human psychology. That's one part of it. 354 00:20:43,137 --> 00:20:46,297 Speaker 1: But as as all of this is unfolding right now, 355 00:20:47,257 --> 00:20:49,697 Speaker 1: oh wait, pause for a second, because I need to 356 00:20:49,737 --> 00:20:52,537 Speaker 1: tell you I have a violent language list to your 357 00:20:52,537 --> 00:20:55,097 Speaker 1: point from last week that I'm meant to mention that 358 00:20:55,177 --> 00:20:56,817 Speaker 1: just was making the rounds. I don't know if you 359 00:20:56,817 --> 00:20:59,457 Speaker 1: saw this, So if anyone's wondering, if anyone's wondering, what 360 00:20:59,537 --> 00:21:04,977 Speaker 1: are some of the evolving from violent language requests. They 361 00:21:05,017 --> 00:21:08,817 Speaker 1: don't want you to say what's the deadline anymore? They 362 00:21:08,857 --> 00:21:12,377 Speaker 1: want you to say what's the do date. They don't 363 00:21:12,417 --> 00:21:14,697 Speaker 1: want you to say we have to pick our battles. 364 00:21:15,417 --> 00:21:20,137 Speaker 1: They want you to say we have to choose our opportunities. 365 00:21:21,057 --> 00:21:23,417 Speaker 1: They don't want you to say that was overkill. You 366 00:21:23,457 --> 00:21:27,177 Speaker 1: can only say a bit excessive. And of course you 367 00:21:27,217 --> 00:21:30,657 Speaker 1: can't say we're going to pull the trigger, say we're 368 00:21:30,737 --> 00:21:36,137 Speaker 1: going to launch. And it goes on and on and on, 369 00:21:36,377 --> 00:21:38,217 Speaker 1: and I think part of this is it's control. It's 370 00:21:38,217 --> 00:21:43,657 Speaker 1: also demoralization. David. My my job, right, like, like basically 371 00:21:43,697 --> 00:21:47,257 Speaker 1: my whole job is to use the English language in 372 00:21:47,257 --> 00:21:51,217 Speaker 1: an interesting way. That was my job when I produced 373 00:21:51,377 --> 00:21:55,017 Speaker 1: and and wrote and acted and directed in theater, right, 374 00:21:55,577 --> 00:21:59,817 Speaker 1: was to use the language and to try right to 375 00:21:59,977 --> 00:22:03,097 Speaker 1: use the language and in some new way that that would, 376 00:22:03,737 --> 00:22:07,137 Speaker 1: you know, have an impact on people somehow. You know, 377 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:11,017 Speaker 1: this idea that like we have to be so careful 378 00:22:11,337 --> 00:22:14,337 Speaker 1: with our language or oh, my goodness, like somebody's going 379 00:22:14,377 --> 00:22:18,217 Speaker 1: to be offended, or we're gonna, you know, induce somebody 380 00:22:18,217 --> 00:22:22,097 Speaker 1: to do some bad thing. It is so deeply anathema 381 00:22:22,177 --> 00:22:26,897 Speaker 1: to my soul because I love the English language. I've 382 00:22:26,897 --> 00:22:31,177 Speaker 1: spent my entire life trying to figure out it's it's 383 00:22:31,257 --> 00:22:36,417 Speaker 1: it's mystery and majesty and and you know, reading Shakespeare 384 00:22:36,457 --> 00:22:40,617 Speaker 1: over and over and over again, because he really invented it. 385 00:22:40,697 --> 00:22:44,057 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, he gave us, as English speakers 386 00:22:45,217 --> 00:22:49,017 Speaker 1: this incredible gift that has led to I believe, the 387 00:22:49,057 --> 00:22:51,657 Speaker 1: greatest country on earth, you know, in the UK is 388 00:22:51,697 --> 00:22:56,657 Speaker 1: not bad either. And it kills me to see that 389 00:22:56,937 --> 00:22:59,297 Speaker 1: the same people, these are the same people who say, 390 00:23:00,297 --> 00:23:02,937 Speaker 1: oh they're they're banning books in Florida. Well, first of all, 391 00:23:02,977 --> 00:23:05,817 Speaker 1: they're not. 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David, before we 425 00:24:42,017 --> 00:24:45,417 Speaker 1: get to the New York conversation, I also think that 426 00:24:45,937 --> 00:24:50,457 Speaker 1: that there are there are very few if I ask 427 00:24:50,537 --> 00:24:54,457 Speaker 1: somebody these, I've had this thought experiment with friends. If 428 00:24:54,457 --> 00:24:56,097 Speaker 1: you try to come up with a way that you 429 00:24:56,137 --> 00:25:02,377 Speaker 1: can call someone a coward other than a coward, for example, 430 00:25:02,897 --> 00:25:04,897 Speaker 1: you find yourself all of a sudden running into the 431 00:25:04,937 --> 00:25:09,817 Speaker 1: word police very quickly. It's interesting how few words we 432 00:25:10,177 --> 00:25:18,017 Speaker 1: have to describe disdain for weakness, disdain for people who 433 00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:22,537 Speaker 1: are duplicitists, people who are just bad people. You know, yes, 434 00:25:23,017 --> 00:25:25,817 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying on the profane side, but but 435 00:25:25,857 --> 00:25:28,457 Speaker 1: there are words you know that you cannot use because 436 00:25:28,457 --> 00:25:32,537 Speaker 1: there could considered you know, sexist or misogynist or whatever, 437 00:25:32,657 --> 00:25:35,937 Speaker 1: I don't know, ablest or something. You know. I mean, 438 00:25:35,977 --> 00:25:37,817 Speaker 1: there are people who even tell you shouldn't call anyone 439 00:25:37,897 --> 00:25:41,337 Speaker 1: dumb or you shouldn't call anyone stupid. Okay, well, how 440 00:25:41,337 --> 00:25:45,457 Speaker 1: do I explain who? How do I explain how some 441 00:25:45,577 --> 00:25:48,457 Speaker 1: of these Democrats are unable to you know, members of 442 00:25:48,497 --> 00:25:50,177 Speaker 1: Congress who are Democrat, like if I want to say 443 00:25:50,297 --> 00:25:55,897 Speaker 1: Eric Swalwell is not an intellectually acceptable level fellow for 444 00:25:55,977 --> 00:25:58,817 Speaker 1: a member of Congress if you listen to the left. 445 00:25:58,897 --> 00:26:00,977 Speaker 1: There are very few ways you can describe this that 446 00:26:01,057 --> 00:26:04,097 Speaker 1: don't sound like you're reading from a dissertation without them 447 00:26:04,137 --> 00:26:07,417 Speaker 1: claiming that you know, you've offended somebody. They are destroying 448 00:26:07,537 --> 00:26:11,057 Speaker 1: our ability to describe circumstances with language, and they're doing 449 00:26:11,097 --> 00:26:14,097 Speaker 1: so by appealing to either our sense of decency or 450 00:26:14,137 --> 00:26:18,377 Speaker 1: our fear of cancelation. Well, yeah, I mean exactly. I 451 00:26:18,377 --> 00:26:22,857 Speaker 1: mean that's the whole concept of equity, right, that that 452 00:26:23,537 --> 00:26:26,897 Speaker 1: as opposed to equality. Right, equality is the equality of opportunities. 453 00:26:26,937 --> 00:26:30,657 Speaker 1: Equity means we all have the same outcome, which means 454 00:26:30,697 --> 00:26:34,657 Speaker 1: that for some reason, Eric Swalwell has to be considered 455 00:26:35,457 --> 00:26:38,097 Speaker 1: just as you know, bright as, I don't know new 456 00:26:38,177 --> 00:26:41,177 Speaker 1: Gangridge or you know, whoever you want to whatever, right 457 00:26:41,257 --> 00:26:46,657 Speaker 1: person on the right you you want to say, Um, yeah, 458 00:26:46,737 --> 00:26:51,337 Speaker 1: it it destroys discourse in many ways. And I look, 459 00:26:51,577 --> 00:26:54,657 Speaker 1: I don't I don't run around calling people dumb. I 460 00:26:54,657 --> 00:26:57,697 Speaker 1: don't have any you know, desire to like, you know, 461 00:26:57,897 --> 00:27:01,657 Speaker 1: use slurs or whatever. But you make a good point 462 00:27:01,897 --> 00:27:09,377 Speaker 1: in that, Wow, everything can't be completely relative or everything 463 00:27:09,457 --> 00:27:12,857 Speaker 1: just goes completely to hell. And that's where we are 464 00:27:12,937 --> 00:27:14,737 Speaker 1: right now. I think that that's what you're really saying, 465 00:27:15,017 --> 00:27:21,057 Speaker 1: is like, you know, this this idea that like you 466 00:27:21,137 --> 00:27:26,097 Speaker 1: can't criticize AOC or whoever it is, or or George 467 00:27:26,097 --> 00:27:29,097 Speaker 1: Santos for that matter, right, Like I'm happy to make 468 00:27:29,137 --> 00:27:34,657 Speaker 1: some George Santos jokes. Um. Well, it's interesting you mentioned 469 00:27:34,697 --> 00:27:37,297 Speaker 1: you mentioned jokes because I also think it has been 470 00:27:37,337 --> 00:27:42,177 Speaker 1: an intentional and this is this is enormously um I 471 00:27:42,217 --> 00:27:48,497 Speaker 1: think important political and cultural implications. The destruction of comedy 472 00:27:49,337 --> 00:27:52,137 Speaker 1: is something that the left has really focused on. And 473 00:27:52,137 --> 00:27:54,417 Speaker 1: I'd say, oh, we have all these comedians, Yeah, they're 474 00:27:54,457 --> 00:27:57,217 Speaker 1: all making the same jokes about first of all, late 475 00:27:57,297 --> 00:28:00,057 Speaker 1: night comedians. It all turned into bad Donald Trump jokes. 476 00:28:00,057 --> 00:28:03,377 Speaker 1: Which is why there shows basically all destroyed, right, And 477 00:28:03,417 --> 00:28:06,137 Speaker 1: that's why Red Eye at Fox became the most power 478 00:28:06,297 --> 00:28:10,377 Speaker 1: the most well watched late night show without decades of 479 00:28:10,937 --> 00:28:14,377 Speaker 1: platform building handed to it like someone like a cold bearhead. 480 00:28:15,817 --> 00:28:19,417 Speaker 1: But I think it's an intentional program. Go ahead, I'll 481 00:28:19,457 --> 00:28:21,817 Speaker 1: tell you the secret of this. There's a reason that 482 00:28:21,977 --> 00:28:25,217 Speaker 1: stand up comedy is the only place left in the 483 00:28:25,297 --> 00:28:28,417 Speaker 1: performing arts where you even sort of like remotely have 484 00:28:29,177 --> 00:28:34,017 Speaker 1: conservative ideas. I'm not calling Chappelle or Burr or Sandler 485 00:28:34,137 --> 00:28:37,017 Speaker 1: like you know, movement conservatives or whatever. But they've all 486 00:28:37,097 --> 00:28:41,377 Speaker 1: bristled right, Seinfeld. They've all bristled the left and gotten 487 00:28:41,417 --> 00:28:46,657 Speaker 1: the left upset. Here's why this is the last performing 488 00:28:46,817 --> 00:28:50,497 Speaker 1: art form where you don't go to college for it, 489 00:28:51,377 --> 00:28:54,817 Speaker 1: you don't go to studio for it, you don't you know, 490 00:28:54,937 --> 00:28:57,537 Speaker 1: show up at some not for profit theater company. You 491 00:28:57,737 --> 00:29:01,817 Speaker 1: go to the comedy club, you sign your name on 492 00:29:01,857 --> 00:29:04,617 Speaker 1: the list and say I want to get up there 493 00:29:04,617 --> 00:29:07,217 Speaker 1: for five minutes. And you know what happens, buck, Either 494 00:29:07,297 --> 00:29:11,737 Speaker 1: people laugh or they don't. And that's it. It's testable. 495 00:29:11,817 --> 00:29:15,897 Speaker 1: If nobody laughs, you're not invited back. If everybody laughs, 496 00:29:16,337 --> 00:29:21,897 Speaker 1: well okay, yeah, come back please. That meritocracy still exists 497 00:29:21,897 --> 00:29:25,537 Speaker 1: in stand up comedy. It exists almost nowhere else in 498 00:29:25,617 --> 00:29:29,737 Speaker 1: the arts and and and that's why Gutfeld's able to 499 00:29:29,737 --> 00:29:34,097 Speaker 1: do this. That's why you know, you see this difference here. 500 00:29:34,657 --> 00:29:37,097 Speaker 1: And it used to be that way in theater. It 501 00:29:37,177 --> 00:29:39,857 Speaker 1: used to be that way in novels and poetry and everything. 502 00:29:40,697 --> 00:29:43,057 Speaker 1: I know, there aren't that many people who are listening 503 00:29:43,257 --> 00:29:47,977 Speaker 1: who are big Broadway buffs. Probably some, but not very many, 504 00:29:48,097 --> 00:29:50,817 Speaker 1: not not that big on the right. I lived in 505 00:29:50,897 --> 00:29:54,617 Speaker 1: New York, adjoining like my I basically my building shared 506 00:29:54,657 --> 00:29:57,217 Speaker 1: a wall with a Broadway theater. I think I have 507 00:29:57,377 --> 00:30:01,577 Speaker 1: been to in my life half a dozen Broadway shows 508 00:30:01,617 --> 00:30:04,017 Speaker 1: in my life, and some of those were, you know, 509 00:30:04,057 --> 00:30:07,697 Speaker 1: school mandated. But I do know that of the plays 510 00:30:07,697 --> 00:30:09,737 Speaker 1: I had seen, and let's say the last ten years, 511 00:30:11,217 --> 00:30:16,617 Speaker 1: the wokeness of Broadway makes the wokeness of Netflix seem 512 00:30:16,697 --> 00:30:19,857 Speaker 1: like Fox News. I mean it is. How did that happen? 513 00:30:20,337 --> 00:30:22,537 Speaker 1: How did live theater? I want to say Broadway? Also 514 00:30:22,577 --> 00:30:28,817 Speaker 1: off Broadway Live Live Theater became it is the the 515 00:30:28,937 --> 00:30:34,817 Speaker 1: Wesleyan Gender Studies Department doing live performance all over the country. Somehow, 516 00:30:34,857 --> 00:30:38,017 Speaker 1: what happened? You come from this world? No, I mean 517 00:30:38,057 --> 00:30:40,777 Speaker 1: I I've watched it happen. You know, I'll tell you 518 00:30:40,817 --> 00:30:44,737 Speaker 1: it's funny. Um. So, my theater company in New York 519 00:30:44,897 --> 00:30:48,057 Speaker 1: was called Blue Box Productions. That's if people are curious 520 00:30:48,057 --> 00:30:54,817 Speaker 1: about my Twitter handle, that's why on blue Box Dave Um. Yeah, 521 00:30:54,857 --> 00:30:57,977 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. We had a signature show. Um. 522 00:30:59,017 --> 00:31:04,137 Speaker 1: My co producer was Libby Evans, who's now the editor 523 00:31:04,137 --> 00:31:07,017 Speaker 1: in chief of Post Millennial. We both kind of, in 524 00:31:07,057 --> 00:31:11,097 Speaker 1: a roundabout way, wound up making this journey. But we 525 00:31:11,177 --> 00:31:15,177 Speaker 1: invented this show called Sticky, and it was a night 526 00:31:15,217 --> 00:31:18,497 Speaker 1: of ten minute plays in a bar lounge space and 527 00:31:18,537 --> 00:31:20,617 Speaker 1: it didn't take place on a stage. It took place 528 00:31:20,657 --> 00:31:23,977 Speaker 1: sort of around the bar and it would happen environmentally. 529 00:31:23,977 --> 00:31:25,937 Speaker 1: It was a really fun show. We ran it for 530 00:31:25,937 --> 00:31:29,057 Speaker 1: about fifteen years and I was the host of it. 531 00:31:30,097 --> 00:31:34,617 Speaker 1: And I was starting in about two thousand and eight 532 00:31:34,657 --> 00:31:38,417 Speaker 1: to two thousand and nine, sort of openly republican and conservative. 533 00:31:39,737 --> 00:31:43,057 Speaker 1: And it was a joke right, like like I would. 534 00:31:43,217 --> 00:31:47,057 Speaker 1: I would sort of make jokes about political correctness or 535 00:31:47,097 --> 00:31:50,537 Speaker 1: Obama or whatever it was. The audience would boo. We 536 00:31:50,657 --> 00:31:54,257 Speaker 1: went back and forth. But it was friendly, right, it was. 537 00:31:54,657 --> 00:31:57,297 Speaker 1: It was this sort of like and and afterwards I 538 00:31:57,297 --> 00:31:59,177 Speaker 1: would talk to people and they say, oh, well, why 539 00:31:59,177 --> 00:32:01,777 Speaker 1: do you know I like Condoleeza Rice or you know whatever. 540 00:32:01,777 --> 00:32:05,497 Speaker 1: It was right, you could do this in two thousand 541 00:32:05,537 --> 00:32:12,017 Speaker 1: and twelve. You can't anymore. Now. It's like I have 542 00:32:12,177 --> 00:32:16,537 Speaker 1: to hate you if I disagree with you politically. And 543 00:32:16,617 --> 00:32:20,457 Speaker 1: I watched this happen. I remember the first time anyone 544 00:32:20,537 --> 00:32:24,457 Speaker 1: ever told me that they were triggered by something I said. 545 00:32:24,457 --> 00:32:29,257 Speaker 1: It was this playwright, this young woman, you know, and 546 00:32:29,537 --> 00:32:32,977 Speaker 1: we were talking about the trans issue and I said 547 00:32:33,057 --> 00:32:34,857 Speaker 1: something and she said, well, I have to stop this 548 00:32:34,897 --> 00:32:38,977 Speaker 1: conversation now because I'm feeling triggered. I remember thinking, like, 549 00:32:39,257 --> 00:32:43,377 Speaker 1: are you saying that in real life? Where goddamn New 550 00:32:43,417 --> 00:32:47,617 Speaker 1: York artists, like we're supposed to be doing drugs and 551 00:32:47,657 --> 00:32:51,257 Speaker 1: talking about whatever the hell we want to like, what 552 00:32:51,497 --> 00:32:55,177 Speaker 1: is this? What is this? Like, Oh, I'm triggered, so 553 00:32:55,217 --> 00:32:59,977 Speaker 1: you have to shut up. No, it's what happened. Yeah, 554 00:33:00,017 --> 00:33:04,537 Speaker 1: the New York theater scene turned into all of the 555 00:33:04,977 --> 00:33:09,977 Speaker 1: quote artists who are doing the bidding of the Stasi 556 00:33:10,137 --> 00:33:14,297 Speaker 1: in the Communist Party in East Germany from the lives 557 00:33:14,297 --> 00:33:16,097 Speaker 1: of others. The Great movie that sort of shows, you know, 558 00:33:16,137 --> 00:33:18,377 Speaker 1: there's an artist who's actually trying to write, actually trying 559 00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:21,417 Speaker 1: to create. But there were plays, there were things that 560 00:33:21,457 --> 00:33:23,177 Speaker 1: went on same, the same thing that you know, and 561 00:33:23,937 --> 00:33:27,297 Speaker 1: the rest of the Soviet Union it was you did 562 00:33:27,297 --> 00:33:29,897 Speaker 1: what they told you to do, though, right, you did 563 00:33:29,977 --> 00:33:32,897 Speaker 1: what you were told to do, and and it feels 564 00:33:32,937 --> 00:33:35,577 Speaker 1: like they don't recognize, you know, even when all the 565 00:33:35,657 --> 00:33:38,697 Speaker 1: all these morons in Hollywood. And I do think social 566 00:33:38,697 --> 00:33:40,497 Speaker 1: media is a big part of this, because we have 567 00:33:40,577 --> 00:33:44,937 Speaker 1: this window into the thoughts of people who would honestly 568 00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:48,217 Speaker 1: be better off and we would be better off if 569 00:33:48,257 --> 00:33:51,617 Speaker 1: nobody knew their thoughts, right. I mean, Mark Ruffalo is 570 00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:55,017 Speaker 1: a moron, right, very rich, very famous, He's a moron. 571 00:33:55,217 --> 00:33:56,377 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear what he has to say 572 00:33:56,377 --> 00:33:58,777 Speaker 1: about anything, or re would it say about anything, but 573 00:33:58,817 --> 00:34:01,737 Speaker 1: it will appear in my Twitter feed because he has Twitter. Now, 574 00:34:02,097 --> 00:34:05,777 Speaker 1: social media has shown people. One, I think it's pushed 575 00:34:05,777 --> 00:34:08,497 Speaker 1: more people to be more political in the arts, but 576 00:34:08,617 --> 00:34:11,257 Speaker 1: also it is shown what a budget. I mean, Look, 577 00:34:11,297 --> 00:34:12,537 Speaker 1: some people were in the arts just because they won 578 00:34:12,577 --> 00:34:15,177 Speaker 1: the genetics lottery. You know, they're either super good looking, 579 00:34:15,257 --> 00:34:17,097 Speaker 1: or they have a super good voice, or there's you know, 580 00:34:17,337 --> 00:34:20,657 Speaker 1: or they just have God given talent in one way 581 00:34:20,737 --> 00:34:25,457 Speaker 1: or another. That that's important buck, right, because because here's 582 00:34:25,457 --> 00:34:29,017 Speaker 1: where Look, I write for Daily Wire. I love Daily Wire. 583 00:34:29,097 --> 00:34:31,817 Speaker 1: I love what they do on their entertainment wing right. 584 00:34:31,857 --> 00:34:35,577 Speaker 1: I love what all sort of conservatives. But but when 585 00:34:35,617 --> 00:34:39,657 Speaker 1: conservatives say, well, why don't we just start a movie studio, Okay, 586 00:34:39,897 --> 00:34:44,737 Speaker 1: here's your problem, the talented people. I went to Tish 587 00:34:44,857 --> 00:34:47,457 Speaker 1: School of the Arts at NYU, which I think accepted 588 00:34:47,497 --> 00:34:50,537 Speaker 1: about seven percent of its acting applicants. Right, I'm not 589 00:34:51,617 --> 00:34:54,897 Speaker 1: tuning my own horn here, yea. I was just for 590 00:34:54,977 --> 00:34:57,937 Speaker 1: what it's like. It's like the Harvard Business School for actors. 591 00:34:58,017 --> 00:35:01,777 Speaker 1: It's the place that people. It's a famous place for actors. Yes, 592 00:35:02,057 --> 00:35:05,337 Speaker 1: I just happened to be good at this, and that 593 00:35:05,417 --> 00:35:08,657 Speaker 1: really is all it is. Right, Like, I didn't there 594 00:35:08,737 --> 00:35:11,777 Speaker 1: was nothing special I did to be good at it. 595 00:35:11,857 --> 00:35:15,257 Speaker 1: I just I've never met anybody who became a good actor. 596 00:35:15,337 --> 00:35:19,737 Speaker 1: They always started that way, right. The problem that the 597 00:35:19,817 --> 00:35:23,497 Speaker 1: right has is that the only way to learn those skills, 598 00:35:24,217 --> 00:35:27,257 Speaker 1: to hone those skills as an actor, as a director, 599 00:35:27,297 --> 00:35:31,937 Speaker 1: as a playwright, as a screenwriter, is through institutions that 600 00:35:31,977 --> 00:35:35,737 Speaker 1: are completely and utterly captured by the left. And this 601 00:35:35,817 --> 00:35:39,177 Speaker 1: relates back again to the whole not for profit sort 602 00:35:39,177 --> 00:35:43,657 Speaker 1: of system. Right, Like we had conservative great actors in 603 00:35:43,697 --> 00:35:47,617 Speaker 1: the fifties, sixties, seventies, right, John Wayne was a great actor. 604 00:35:49,137 --> 00:35:54,937 Speaker 1: The problem is we don't we don't have We're not 605 00:35:55,057 --> 00:35:59,057 Speaker 1: training people. We're not in the places where these people 606 00:35:59,097 --> 00:36:02,577 Speaker 1: are being trained. Like nobody drops out of the sky 607 00:36:02,857 --> 00:36:05,697 Speaker 1: into being the showrunner of a Disney Plus show. They're 608 00:36:05,737 --> 00:36:09,297 Speaker 1: coming through theater companies, they're coming through universities. So Daily 609 00:36:09,377 --> 00:36:11,617 Speaker 1: Wire and all these other places can do all they want, 610 00:36:12,137 --> 00:36:14,617 Speaker 1: but if you're not developing the talent, you're not going 611 00:36:14,657 --> 00:36:16,577 Speaker 1: to have the talent. Well, this is this sounds a 612 00:36:16,577 --> 00:36:19,097 Speaker 1: little bit like whenever I talk to Americans who are 613 00:36:19,097 --> 00:36:21,737 Speaker 1: really into sports about why a country of three hundred 614 00:36:21,737 --> 00:36:24,017 Speaker 1: and forty million people with so many of the best 615 00:36:24,017 --> 00:36:26,857 Speaker 1: athletes in the world can't put together a soccer team 616 00:36:26,897 --> 00:36:30,497 Speaker 1: worth a damn And by that that the conversation is 617 00:36:30,977 --> 00:36:35,217 Speaker 1: because if you grow up in Europe or Latin America 618 00:36:36,337 --> 00:36:38,257 Speaker 1: or a handful of other places, but really those are 619 00:36:38,257 --> 00:36:43,177 Speaker 1: the two major ones, you have access to sub professional 620 00:36:43,257 --> 00:36:46,337 Speaker 1: leagues or sort of junior professional leagues where people start 621 00:36:46,377 --> 00:36:50,457 Speaker 1: playing for the you know, the club team, junior team 622 00:36:50,937 --> 00:36:53,417 Speaker 1: at like age twelve. I think in the case of 623 00:36:53,497 --> 00:36:56,217 Speaker 1: lion Le Messi, he was basically like training to be 624 00:36:56,257 --> 00:36:58,617 Speaker 1: a professional soccer player at age eight or age nine. 625 00:36:58,657 --> 00:37:01,337 Speaker 1: And it's true of professional tennis players too. I mean 626 00:37:01,377 --> 00:37:03,177 Speaker 1: they have to be going at that and so if 627 00:37:03,217 --> 00:37:04,857 Speaker 1: you had no access, if you have no access to 628 00:37:04,897 --> 00:37:08,977 Speaker 1: those pipelines, you can't compete. And I did. But it's 629 00:37:08,977 --> 00:37:13,657 Speaker 1: also cultural. Remember being a teenager and I'm I'm wearing 630 00:37:13,657 --> 00:37:16,137 Speaker 1: a Glasgow Celtics at Jersey at the moment, but I 631 00:37:16,177 --> 00:37:19,217 Speaker 1: love Argentina. There there there, my, oh my god, and 632 00:37:19,297 --> 00:37:22,777 Speaker 1: they I cried buck when they won the World Cup 633 00:37:22,777 --> 00:37:24,657 Speaker 1: and I was watching it with my twelve year old 634 00:37:24,657 --> 00:37:26,817 Speaker 1: son and he was like you, I don't know if 635 00:37:26,817 --> 00:37:28,657 Speaker 1: you watch that match, but it was like I did 636 00:37:28,697 --> 00:37:34,217 Speaker 1: it was the most insane match ever. And when when 637 00:37:34,217 --> 00:37:38,977 Speaker 1: that final PK went in, I literally cried and Charlie's like, 638 00:37:39,017 --> 00:37:41,097 Speaker 1: you know, are you okay? Dad? I was like, yeah, 639 00:37:41,097 --> 00:37:43,177 Speaker 1: I know, these are these are good, These are you know, 640 00:37:43,257 --> 00:37:46,537 Speaker 1: tears of joy. Um. But but the other thing, Yeah, 641 00:37:46,537 --> 00:37:49,257 Speaker 1: I remember being in Mexico when I was a teenager, 642 00:37:49,297 --> 00:37:53,057 Speaker 1: and I remember seeing like this little kid was carrying 643 00:37:53,057 --> 00:37:56,057 Speaker 1: a balloon and he dropped the balloon and what he 644 00:37:56,097 --> 00:38:00,377 Speaker 1: did was he kicked it up back into his hands, right, 645 00:38:00,457 --> 00:38:03,017 Speaker 1: just a little flick with his foot back into his hands. 646 00:38:03,297 --> 00:38:06,257 Speaker 1: I thought, any American kid is reaching down and picking 647 00:38:06,297 --> 00:38:09,217 Speaker 1: that ballot up. So yeah, yeah, I mean there there 648 00:38:09,297 --> 00:38:12,977 Speaker 1: is this cultural thing of like, you know, you have 649 00:38:13,137 --> 00:38:16,017 Speaker 1: this or you don't have this. And for artists, for 650 00:38:16,097 --> 00:38:20,137 Speaker 1: anyone who like I did, got seduced by theater or 651 00:38:20,177 --> 00:38:24,057 Speaker 1: by writing or by you know, playwriting, whatever it is, 652 00:38:24,737 --> 00:38:27,937 Speaker 1: everywhere that you're getting shunted into is going to be 653 00:38:28,097 --> 00:38:33,657 Speaker 1: constantly preaching wokeness to you. You just can't escape it. Yeah. 654 00:38:34,017 --> 00:38:37,577 Speaker 1: The communists have infiltrated all of these pipelines and all 655 00:38:37,617 --> 00:38:41,537 Speaker 1: these institutions of culture and of art, and they completely 656 00:38:41,577 --> 00:38:44,257 Speaker 1: dominate them in a way that people that have never 657 00:38:44,297 --> 00:38:46,257 Speaker 1: even been exposed to that world at all, I think 658 00:38:46,377 --> 00:38:50,337 Speaker 1: are shocked at at the way you know that the things. 659 00:38:50,337 --> 00:38:52,657 Speaker 1: By the way, increasingly, it's true of law schools too. 660 00:38:52,697 --> 00:38:54,057 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's through of a lot of places 661 00:38:54,097 --> 00:38:56,097 Speaker 1: that people wouldn't even expect it. It's true of medicine, 662 00:38:56,137 --> 00:38:57,817 Speaker 1: as we saw during COVID. I want to talk to 663 00:38:57,857 --> 00:38:59,777 Speaker 1: you about New York actually here David in just a second. 664 00:38:59,817 --> 00:39:01,697 Speaker 1: So yeah, before we get to that, just if I 665 00:39:01,697 --> 00:39:04,617 Speaker 1: can make just one last point point about this. When 666 00:39:04,657 --> 00:39:07,777 Speaker 1: I was openly conservative in the New York theater, seeing 667 00:39:07,817 --> 00:39:10,777 Speaker 1: there was an interesting thing that would happen, somebody would 668 00:39:10,777 --> 00:39:12,697 Speaker 1: come up to me and say, hey, you know, my 669 00:39:12,817 --> 00:39:16,497 Speaker 1: boyfriend's a conservative, or you know, hey, I'm a libertarian. 670 00:39:16,537 --> 00:39:19,217 Speaker 1: I don't really feel comfortable talking about this, but and 671 00:39:19,297 --> 00:39:23,697 Speaker 1: it was like a champagne bottle being uncorked. Once these 672 00:39:23,737 --> 00:39:29,057 Speaker 1: people felt like they were safe having this conversation, you 673 00:39:29,777 --> 00:39:33,817 Speaker 1: couldn't stop it. Right. That's the energy of the Trump rally. Really. 674 00:39:34,457 --> 00:39:37,657 Speaker 1: It's one of these people who can't say at work, 675 00:39:37,777 --> 00:39:40,257 Speaker 1: I think Trump is Maybe they get to a Trump 676 00:39:40,337 --> 00:39:42,377 Speaker 1: rally and they're like, oh my god, I can actually 677 00:39:42,457 --> 00:39:44,617 Speaker 1: say what I think, well, this is like when I 678 00:39:44,657 --> 00:39:47,977 Speaker 1: lived in DC during the Trump presidency and I would 679 00:39:47,977 --> 00:39:51,257 Speaker 1: go to the Trump Hotel. I also went to the 680 00:39:51,297 --> 00:39:53,697 Speaker 1: you know, the White House for interviews and things like 681 00:39:53,737 --> 00:39:55,737 Speaker 1: that on occasion, but I would go to the Trump 682 00:39:55,737 --> 00:39:59,177 Speaker 1: Hotel and you'd walk in there and it was like 683 00:39:59,257 --> 00:40:03,497 Speaker 1: you had entered an alternate universe where everybody was friendly 684 00:40:04,057 --> 00:40:07,177 Speaker 1: and able to speak about their conservatism and be like, oh, 685 00:40:07,257 --> 00:40:09,217 Speaker 1: isn't it great what you just saw? And you know, oh, 686 00:40:09,337 --> 00:40:11,577 Speaker 1: we could all laugh about CNN. And you would leave 687 00:40:12,097 --> 00:40:14,097 Speaker 1: and it was as though, yeah, it was this big, 688 00:40:14,137 --> 00:40:16,577 Speaker 1: grandios hotel and everybody knew that Trump was the owner 689 00:40:16,577 --> 00:40:18,457 Speaker 1: and everything else. But you would leave and you walk 690 00:40:18,457 --> 00:40:21,137 Speaker 1: around DC and you didn't talk about I mean, DC 691 00:40:21,297 --> 00:40:24,097 Speaker 1: is ninety six percent Democrat or ninety seven percent democrat. 692 00:40:24,137 --> 00:40:26,257 Speaker 1: You do not if you were a right winger and 693 00:40:26,377 --> 00:40:29,617 Speaker 1: you let on in DC in the wrong circles that 694 00:40:29,617 --> 00:40:33,137 Speaker 1: that's who you are, it gets really uncomfortable and uh 695 00:40:33,177 --> 00:40:36,817 Speaker 1: and really tense very quickly. There was a dance. There 696 00:40:36,897 --> 00:40:38,897 Speaker 1: was a dance that I would do with people in 697 00:40:38,897 --> 00:40:41,737 Speaker 1: Brooklyn when I was living in Brooklyn. Right like, you know, 698 00:40:41,817 --> 00:40:44,017 Speaker 1: you'd meet one of your neighbors. You'd be talking to 699 00:40:44,097 --> 00:40:45,897 Speaker 1: somebody at the you know, at the restaurant or the 700 00:40:45,937 --> 00:40:49,537 Speaker 1: bar or whatever, and you kind of got this sense 701 00:40:49,577 --> 00:40:53,897 Speaker 1: of like, wait a minute, maybe you're a conservative. And 702 00:40:54,417 --> 00:40:56,737 Speaker 1: I was talking to this about I was talking about 703 00:40:56,737 --> 00:40:58,937 Speaker 1: this to one of my editors once and they made 704 00:40:58,937 --> 00:41:02,657 Speaker 1: a great point. They said, it's almost like and this 705 00:41:02,697 --> 00:41:05,097 Speaker 1: was a gay this was like a gay man. He said, 706 00:41:05,337 --> 00:41:08,297 Speaker 1: It's almost like the dance that gay men would have 707 00:41:08,377 --> 00:41:12,217 Speaker 1: to go through of like wait a minute, are you 708 00:41:12,217 --> 00:41:17,097 Speaker 1: you know, like is this right? And you go, oh, 709 00:41:17,137 --> 00:41:19,577 Speaker 1: you are a trumpe support. Oh well, you know, we 710 00:41:19,577 --> 00:41:22,577 Speaker 1: could talk about this now. There was this sort of 711 00:41:22,617 --> 00:41:25,777 Speaker 1: like feeling out period of like, am I willing to 712 00:41:25,777 --> 00:41:28,697 Speaker 1: tell you that this is what my politics are the 713 00:41:28,777 --> 00:41:31,417 Speaker 1: same way as am I willing to tell you you 714 00:41:31,497 --> 00:41:34,897 Speaker 1: know what my sort of sexual situation is. That Sorry 715 00:41:34,897 --> 00:41:37,857 Speaker 1: if that was weird, but I think the analogy is 716 00:41:37,897 --> 00:41:41,057 Speaker 1: actually somewhat app I want to ask you about New York, 717 00:41:41,097 --> 00:41:44,057 Speaker 1: but first we're gonna talk about New York. Isn't what's 718 00:41:44,057 --> 00:41:46,817 Speaker 1: happening to it? What has happened to it, and how 719 00:41:46,817 --> 00:41:49,857 Speaker 1: it's happening in other cities also all across America but 720 00:41:50,097 --> 00:41:52,857 Speaker 1: you need to add one of American Giants incredibly comfortable 721 00:41:52,897 --> 00:41:55,377 Speaker 1: hoodies to your wardrobe. I'm all about comfort. I mean 722 00:41:55,377 --> 00:41:57,057 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here right now in a T shirt, so 723 00:41:57,177 --> 00:42:00,017 Speaker 1: you know that, and David's over there in some soccer 724 00:42:00,057 --> 00:42:02,777 Speaker 1: hoodie smoking a cigarette. So we're two guys who like 725 00:42:02,817 --> 00:42:05,257 Speaker 1: to be comfortable. David, I gotta get you an American 726 00:42:05,297 --> 00:42:08,857 Speaker 1: Giant hoodie, my friend. They're phenomenal. They've got the classic 727 00:42:08,897 --> 00:42:12,577 Speaker 1: full zip hoodie. 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I I 745 00:43:02,297 --> 00:43:05,257 Speaker 1: can't just you know, make these promises enough follow through, David. 746 00:43:05,457 --> 00:43:06,977 Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm gonna send it though, because 747 00:43:07,017 --> 00:43:10,497 Speaker 1: you don't live in New York anymore. What happened? No, 748 00:43:10,737 --> 00:43:16,337 Speaker 1: I I've moved to West Virginia, which you know, a 749 00:43:16,337 --> 00:43:19,457 Speaker 1: lot of people who who know me found strange. Um. Look, 750 00:43:19,977 --> 00:43:23,017 Speaker 1: it wasn't you know. I love New York City, I 751 00:43:23,057 --> 00:43:27,137 Speaker 1: really do and I always will. It was mostly about 752 00:43:27,257 --> 00:43:29,697 Speaker 1: my kid, who's about to be a teenager. And I 753 00:43:29,697 --> 00:43:31,817 Speaker 1: was thinking about this because I've been, you know, asked 754 00:43:31,817 --> 00:43:36,017 Speaker 1: this question a lot. And when he was born twelve 755 00:43:36,097 --> 00:43:41,057 Speaker 1: years ago. If you had said to me, your fifteen 756 00:43:41,137 --> 00:43:44,417 Speaker 1: year old son and some of his buddies want to 757 00:43:44,457 --> 00:43:47,097 Speaker 1: like take the subway to Manhattan, you know, go to 758 00:43:47,177 --> 00:43:49,577 Speaker 1: the movies, go see a concert, whatever it is, they'll 759 00:43:49,617 --> 00:43:54,617 Speaker 1: be back by eleven on the subway. I thought, okay, 760 00:43:54,857 --> 00:44:02,457 Speaker 1: that's fine. I can't think that anymore. And so, you know, 761 00:44:03,097 --> 00:44:05,857 Speaker 1: talking to my son's mom and and you know, both 762 00:44:05,897 --> 00:44:08,497 Speaker 1: of us sort of realizing this. It's just not a 763 00:44:08,537 --> 00:44:11,697 Speaker 1: good place for a teenager to be. If I didn't 764 00:44:11,737 --> 00:44:13,497 Speaker 1: have a kid, I'd probably still be in New York. 765 00:44:13,657 --> 00:44:17,617 Speaker 1: But you know, and the schools, I mean, every day 766 00:44:17,697 --> 00:44:21,137 Speaker 1: buck was like Pridday or BLM Day or something. You know, 767 00:44:23,897 --> 00:44:29,297 Speaker 1: it just became untenable. What happened? Why? How did how did? 768 00:44:29,377 --> 00:44:34,817 Speaker 1: How did it turn into this? I think, you know, 769 00:44:34,897 --> 00:44:41,217 Speaker 1: it's funny. I my first month in college in New 770 00:44:41,297 --> 00:44:46,257 Speaker 1: York City was in nineteen ninety four, no, I'm sorry, 771 00:44:46,617 --> 00:44:49,777 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, and I remember sitting at Cafe Reggio, 772 00:44:49,777 --> 00:44:51,417 Speaker 1: which if anybody goes to New York, you have to 773 00:44:51,457 --> 00:44:53,617 Speaker 1: go to Cafe Reggio in McDougall Street. It's the best 774 00:44:53,617 --> 00:44:57,257 Speaker 1: place in the city. Remember, I love that whole area 775 00:44:57,337 --> 00:45:01,017 Speaker 1: of Greenwich Village, but right around there in particular, there's 776 00:45:01,057 --> 00:45:03,017 Speaker 1: like a romance. I just remember so many nights going 777 00:45:03,057 --> 00:45:06,057 Speaker 1: out there, drinks and restaurants and chase in life. There 778 00:45:06,257 --> 00:45:09,577 Speaker 1: there is something about New York City at its peak, 779 00:45:09,697 --> 00:45:14,137 Speaker 1: that you are living your life in a film or 780 00:45:14,177 --> 00:45:16,577 Speaker 1: a novel. It's a special it. Look, it is a 781 00:45:16,577 --> 00:45:19,177 Speaker 1: special place. I felt that way my whole life growing 782 00:45:19,257 --> 00:45:22,177 Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, and you know, so I'm at Reggio 783 00:45:22,737 --> 00:45:27,097 Speaker 1: and we find out Giuliani one and it was like 784 00:45:27,137 --> 00:45:30,337 Speaker 1: whoa right again no cell phones? So there's I think 785 00:45:30,377 --> 00:45:32,617 Speaker 1: the owner just walked in. He goes with Giuliani one. 786 00:45:33,057 --> 00:45:37,257 Speaker 1: He had beaten David Dinkins and within two or three 787 00:45:37,377 --> 00:45:43,857 Speaker 1: years Giuliani had really turned the city around in remarkable ways. 788 00:45:44,057 --> 00:45:47,697 Speaker 1: And New York City is, of course, you know, deep blue. 789 00:45:47,857 --> 00:45:51,297 Speaker 1: But let's not forget from ninety three until was it 790 00:45:51,417 --> 00:45:54,857 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen when they Blasio was elected, there was no 791 00:45:54,977 --> 00:46:01,137 Speaker 1: Democrat elected mayor. What a huge difference and how impactful 792 00:46:01,217 --> 00:46:03,657 Speaker 1: that was. There. There was stuff that I didn't love 793 00:46:03,697 --> 00:46:07,097 Speaker 1: about Bloomberg, and unfortunately Bloomberg became an independent and that 794 00:46:07,217 --> 00:46:10,937 Speaker 1: really I think that really hurt the city when he 795 00:46:11,057 --> 00:46:14,137 Speaker 1: did that in a lot of ways. But the city 796 00:46:14,257 --> 00:46:17,697 Speaker 1: was growing, it was safe, and the police department was, 797 00:46:19,377 --> 00:46:24,377 Speaker 1: i mean just the best in the world. And that 798 00:46:24,457 --> 00:46:26,417 Speaker 1: was the city that I moved to, and that was 799 00:46:26,457 --> 00:46:30,377 Speaker 1: the city that I loved and de Blasio destroyed it. 800 00:46:31,337 --> 00:46:33,817 Speaker 1: You know, I want to believe that Eric Adams is 801 00:46:33,857 --> 00:46:37,697 Speaker 1: trying to get it back, but the man doesn't seem 802 00:46:37,737 --> 00:46:41,297 Speaker 1: to have a whole lot of backbone. Yeah. What is 803 00:46:41,337 --> 00:46:46,577 Speaker 1: it that you think would be the single most important 804 00:46:46,697 --> 00:46:52,897 Speaker 1: focus in New York City to bring it back? I mean, yeah, 805 00:46:52,937 --> 00:46:58,337 Speaker 1: obviously crime, But how is it enforcing the law across 806 00:46:58,417 --> 00:47:00,537 Speaker 1: the board? Is it even possible to have a single focus. 807 00:47:00,617 --> 00:47:03,097 Speaker 1: Is it just that the system has so deteriorated that 808 00:47:03,137 --> 00:47:05,137 Speaker 1: you have to have a menu of fifteen things you 809 00:47:05,137 --> 00:47:07,297 Speaker 1: have to do differently. You have to prosecute everybody who 810 00:47:07,337 --> 00:47:09,657 Speaker 1: breaks the law, you have to actually enforce sentences, You 811 00:47:09,697 --> 00:47:12,617 Speaker 1: have to away from no cash bail. You have to 812 00:47:12,617 --> 00:47:15,417 Speaker 1: clean up the streets, I mean literally clean up the streets, right, 813 00:47:15,417 --> 00:47:18,217 Speaker 1: I mean, it just felt like there was an all 814 00:47:18,297 --> 00:47:23,497 Speaker 1: across the board collapse of what New Yorkers, irrespective of 815 00:47:23,537 --> 00:47:27,617 Speaker 1: how they felt about national gun policy or abortion or 816 00:47:27,697 --> 00:47:31,017 Speaker 1: foreign policy or whatever. I grew up with this belief 817 00:47:31,057 --> 00:47:33,817 Speaker 1: that New Yorkers, because of the change the city had, 818 00:47:34,577 --> 00:47:38,217 Speaker 1: they realized, Hey, we can actually just all agree we 819 00:47:38,257 --> 00:47:44,257 Speaker 1: want safety, clean streets, functioning local services, and bureaucracy you know, 820 00:47:45,697 --> 00:47:48,057 Speaker 1: improving schools at best. But you know, there are some 821 00:47:48,097 --> 00:47:50,257 Speaker 1: amazing public schools in New York City, for example. People 822 00:47:50,257 --> 00:47:52,737 Speaker 1: always trashed the public school system. There are world class 823 00:47:52,737 --> 00:47:54,777 Speaker 1: public schools in New York City. They're just also a 824 00:47:54,857 --> 00:47:57,057 Speaker 1: lot of bad ones in New York City. But that 825 00:47:57,177 --> 00:47:59,537 Speaker 1: we all could agree on those things, and so let's 826 00:47:59,537 --> 00:48:01,817 Speaker 1: just focus on that as a city. We can argue 827 00:48:01,817 --> 00:48:04,817 Speaker 1: about the national political stuff you know later. But I 828 00:48:04,857 --> 00:48:06,897 Speaker 1: feel like that went away. I feel like in the 829 00:48:06,977 --> 00:48:09,937 Speaker 1: era of Trump in particular, and Deblasio got all this going, 830 00:48:10,057 --> 00:48:12,817 Speaker 1: it just turned into, you know, if I con virtue 831 00:48:12,857 --> 00:48:15,697 Speaker 1: signal from my four million dollars duplex on the Upper 832 00:48:15,737 --> 00:48:19,297 Speaker 1: West Side about how much I care about BLM, So 833 00:48:19,337 --> 00:48:22,737 Speaker 1: what if some old ladies get bludgeoned by lunatics with 834 00:48:22,777 --> 00:48:25,897 Speaker 1: hatchets in midtown? That's pretty much what it felt like 835 00:48:25,937 --> 00:48:29,977 Speaker 1: the city turned into. I think a great example is 836 00:48:30,017 --> 00:48:34,217 Speaker 1: Stop Question and Frisk. Right, So, Stop Question in Frisk 837 00:48:34,417 --> 00:48:39,017 Speaker 1: was just enormously successful in lowering gun violence in New 838 00:48:39,097 --> 00:48:45,697 Speaker 1: York City. And pardon me, an interesting thing happened, right 839 00:48:46,017 --> 00:48:49,377 Speaker 1: de Blasio ends Stop Question in Frisk. And there may 840 00:48:49,377 --> 00:48:52,177 Speaker 1: have been excesses, like like maybe the police went a 841 00:48:52,177 --> 00:48:55,297 Speaker 1: little too far sometimes with this, de Blasio ends it 842 00:48:55,417 --> 00:48:59,537 Speaker 1: and a year, two years, three years into it, everybody goes, oh, look, 843 00:49:00,777 --> 00:49:02,857 Speaker 1: no big difference in gun violence. See like the thing 844 00:49:02,897 --> 00:49:08,737 Speaker 1: didn't work. Then gun violence starts to spike. Why because 845 00:49:08,977 --> 00:49:13,297 Speaker 1: what stop question in Frisk did was it said to 846 00:49:13,657 --> 00:49:18,057 Speaker 1: gang members and career criminals, you can't walk around just 847 00:49:18,177 --> 00:49:21,777 Speaker 1: holding a gun on your body, because if you do, 848 00:49:22,497 --> 00:49:25,337 Speaker 1: you might get stopped, you might get frisked, and you 849 00:49:25,417 --> 00:49:29,097 Speaker 1: might end up at Riker's Island for having this illegal gun. 850 00:49:29,537 --> 00:49:32,657 Speaker 1: So they would leave the illegal gun either at home 851 00:49:32,777 --> 00:49:35,777 Speaker 1: or in a stashbox or wherever it went. Now, the 852 00:49:35,817 --> 00:49:41,857 Speaker 1: difference between gang incitement or criminal incitement when someone has 853 00:49:41,857 --> 00:49:45,217 Speaker 1: a gun on their person versus when they have to 854 00:49:45,257 --> 00:49:49,017 Speaker 1: take twenty minutes to go get the gun, think about 855 00:49:49,057 --> 00:49:55,497 Speaker 1: it and come back. That's a cultural change. And sure enough, 856 00:49:55,617 --> 00:49:59,537 Speaker 1: five six years later, these gun death rates are back, 857 00:49:59,937 --> 00:50:02,137 Speaker 1: not to where they were in the eighties, but getting 858 00:50:02,177 --> 00:50:07,337 Speaker 1: there right because we're not disincentivizing that kind of behavior. 859 00:50:07,457 --> 00:50:11,697 Speaker 1: It's everything is permissive. And you know, I don't know, 860 00:50:12,297 --> 00:50:14,577 Speaker 1: Can I tell you one thing that I was experiencing 861 00:50:14,697 --> 00:50:18,697 Speaker 1: before I moved to Florida that Um, it wasn't a 862 00:50:18,697 --> 00:50:20,617 Speaker 1: thing that was rare. It was a thing that would 863 00:50:20,657 --> 00:50:24,457 Speaker 1: happen every few weeks. People would follow me on in 864 00:50:24,497 --> 00:50:26,417 Speaker 1: the streets and every New York w R I know. 865 00:50:26,537 --> 00:50:28,057 Speaker 1: And one of the things that really pisses me off 866 00:50:28,097 --> 00:50:30,777 Speaker 1: to is, you know, if you ever share this stuff publicly, 867 00:50:30,857 --> 00:50:32,937 Speaker 1: or if I tweet about it or something, you'll always 868 00:50:33,017 --> 00:50:36,297 Speaker 1: have some little beta mail who looks like he hasn't gotten, 869 00:50:36,417 --> 00:50:38,537 Speaker 1: you know, any sunlight or eating any red meat in 870 00:50:38,577 --> 00:50:42,017 Speaker 1: the last fifteen years, would be think that you had 871 00:50:42,057 --> 00:50:45,497 Speaker 1: to deal with problems. And it's like, this is everybody, Okay, 872 00:50:45,537 --> 00:50:47,537 Speaker 1: this is happening to people all the time. Everyone I know. 873 00:50:47,977 --> 00:50:51,777 Speaker 1: You would have not a panhandler sitting there with a 874 00:50:51,777 --> 00:50:53,457 Speaker 1: cup saying, hey, can you help me out? You know, 875 00:50:53,497 --> 00:50:55,737 Speaker 1: I get it and give him, you know, as you 876 00:50:55,777 --> 00:50:57,857 Speaker 1: have every New York as we give money to people, 877 00:50:57,897 --> 00:50:59,337 Speaker 1: even though a lot of times it's just got to 878 00:50:59,377 --> 00:51:01,217 Speaker 1: go to drug use and we actually shouldn't and then 879 00:51:01,217 --> 00:51:03,377 Speaker 1: should get into the shelter system. And that's the reality 880 00:51:03,377 --> 00:51:05,577 Speaker 1: of it. But that's all other conversation. But you have 881 00:51:05,617 --> 00:51:08,417 Speaker 1: guys who walk after you, who are able bodied, maybe 882 00:51:08,457 --> 00:51:12,617 Speaker 1: mid late twenties, who are saying, hey, man, I need 883 00:51:12,657 --> 00:51:14,417 Speaker 1: some money. I need some money to take the subway. 884 00:51:14,417 --> 00:51:17,377 Speaker 1: And if you just keep walking, they keep walking with you, 885 00:51:17,417 --> 00:51:20,937 Speaker 1: and then they start screaming profanity at you. They'll call 886 00:51:21,017 --> 00:51:24,017 Speaker 1: you names, they'll curse at you, they'll try to instigate 887 00:51:24,097 --> 00:51:26,777 Speaker 1: some kind of an incident with you or intimidate you 888 00:51:26,817 --> 00:51:29,337 Speaker 1: in giving them money. I must have had that happen 889 00:51:30,737 --> 00:51:33,097 Speaker 1: five or six times in my last year in New 890 00:51:33,177 --> 00:51:36,737 Speaker 1: York City, really ugly, because you know, I'm quiet, I'm quiet, 891 00:51:36,777 --> 00:51:38,937 Speaker 1: and I keep walking. I had to turn around on 892 00:51:38,977 --> 00:51:41,577 Speaker 1: two separate occasions be like, you're going to back away 893 00:51:41,657 --> 00:51:43,617 Speaker 1: or this is going to actually be a problem and 894 00:51:43,697 --> 00:51:45,497 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, oh and so tough guy or something. 895 00:51:46,497 --> 00:51:48,497 Speaker 1: Or you could let somebody keep, you know, shouting in 896 00:51:48,497 --> 00:51:50,697 Speaker 1: your face that they're gonna beat the crap out of 897 00:51:50,737 --> 00:51:52,537 Speaker 1: you and you know, kill your whole family unless you 898 00:51:52,577 --> 00:51:54,657 Speaker 1: give them five dollars. Like this is what you were 899 00:51:54,657 --> 00:51:57,137 Speaker 1: dealing with the New York City. All of those people 900 00:51:57,377 --> 00:52:00,777 Speaker 1: are criminals. All of the people doing this have committed 901 00:52:00,977 --> 00:52:03,257 Speaker 1: all kinds of felonies in their past. It is never 902 00:52:03,337 --> 00:52:07,257 Speaker 1: a surprise when they finally get arrested for stabbing grandma 903 00:52:07,297 --> 00:52:10,577 Speaker 1: with an ice pick, and yet the libs are all, oh, 904 00:52:10,777 --> 00:52:14,457 Speaker 1: we incarcerat too many people. No, we don't. Actually, I'm sorry, 905 00:52:14,497 --> 00:52:18,017 Speaker 1: but we don't. I'll tell you a funny story. So 906 00:52:18,097 --> 00:52:20,697 Speaker 1: it's like two weeks ago or something like the one 907 00:52:20,777 --> 00:52:23,657 Speaker 1: place I still like to walk right, Like West Virginia 908 00:52:23,737 --> 00:52:25,777 Speaker 1: is not a big walking place, but I can walk 909 00:52:25,857 --> 00:52:29,257 Speaker 1: to seven eleven. Takes me about twelve minutes to get there, 910 00:52:29,377 --> 00:52:31,897 Speaker 1: twelve minutes to get back, and so I often sort 911 00:52:31,897 --> 00:52:35,937 Speaker 1: of walk over to seven eleven. And I'm walking to 912 00:52:35,977 --> 00:52:39,737 Speaker 1: seven eleven and this big, you know, sort of like 913 00:52:39,977 --> 00:52:45,337 Speaker 1: you know, black pickup truck is slowing down behind me 914 00:52:46,297 --> 00:52:48,857 Speaker 1: and like coming to a stop next to me, and 915 00:52:49,017 --> 00:52:52,737 Speaker 1: all of my Brooklyn instincts kick in. I'm like, oh 916 00:52:52,817 --> 00:52:55,297 Speaker 1: my god, Like what is this? Like what am I 917 00:52:55,297 --> 00:52:56,817 Speaker 1: going to deal with here? So like I get the 918 00:52:56,897 --> 00:53:00,177 Speaker 1: face on, like I'm ready to go right and the 919 00:53:00,217 --> 00:53:02,337 Speaker 1: guy lowers his window and he's sitting there with his 920 00:53:02,417 --> 00:53:06,217 Speaker 1: wife and he says, you know, hey, I'm Jake. I'm 921 00:53:06,257 --> 00:53:10,257 Speaker 1: new to the neighborhood. You know, I'm new here. I'm 922 00:53:10,257 --> 00:53:13,977 Speaker 1: a pastor and we're starting a new church if you're interested, 923 00:53:14,057 --> 00:53:16,857 Speaker 1: And he hands me a flyer and I felt so 924 00:53:16,977 --> 00:53:21,897 Speaker 1: dirty buck. I just I just I felt like I 925 00:53:21,977 --> 00:53:25,377 Speaker 1: felt like, oh, I got you, horrible person. Your your 926 00:53:25,737 --> 00:53:30,977 Speaker 1: first instinct here was somebody wants something from you. Somebody's 927 00:53:31,017 --> 00:53:34,897 Speaker 1: you know, trying to take advantage of you. And here 928 00:53:34,977 --> 00:53:38,057 Speaker 1: was a guy who was like, Hey, I'm starting a church, 929 00:53:38,137 --> 00:53:41,457 Speaker 1: do you want to come? You know? And I'm a 930 00:53:41,457 --> 00:53:43,817 Speaker 1: Catholic and it was Presbyterian or something, so I can't. 931 00:53:43,857 --> 00:53:46,097 Speaker 1: But still, yeah, you were like, come back to me 932 00:53:46,137 --> 00:53:48,377 Speaker 1: when you got the real thing. I'm kidding. I'm kidding no, 933 00:53:48,417 --> 00:53:50,657 Speaker 1: but but you understand what I'm saying right like, Like 934 00:53:50,737 --> 00:53:52,497 Speaker 1: that was just a moment where I was like, Okay, 935 00:53:52,577 --> 00:53:56,737 Speaker 1: I'm not in Brooklyn anymore. Yeah, I mean, look, I'm as, 936 00:53:56,737 --> 00:53:59,497 Speaker 1: I'm talking to you right now, David m As, we're 937 00:53:59,777 --> 00:54:02,377 Speaker 1: sitting down having this chat that I'm not kidding. The 938 00:54:02,417 --> 00:54:04,537 Speaker 1: next place I am going as soon as we're done, 939 00:54:04,857 --> 00:54:08,137 Speaker 1: I'm going to pick up my brand new Daniel Defense 940 00:54:08,177 --> 00:54:11,297 Speaker 1: a AR fifteen and and I'm excited because you know 941 00:54:11,297 --> 00:54:13,257 Speaker 1: what else I'm probably gonna do. I'm probably gonna get 942 00:54:13,297 --> 00:54:18,337 Speaker 1: myself a saccato. I might actually also get a Baretta 943 00:54:18,377 --> 00:54:20,657 Speaker 1: shotgun so I can go clay pigeon shooting and maybe, 944 00:54:20,697 --> 00:54:22,457 Speaker 1: you know, if I want. I don't like hunting, but 945 00:54:22,497 --> 00:54:26,017 Speaker 1: I like to clay pigeon shoot. But I'm gonna go 946 00:54:26,057 --> 00:54:28,737 Speaker 1: do that. And it's so weird because I was trained 947 00:54:28,737 --> 00:54:33,897 Speaker 1: by the government to use pistols. I am four fully automatic, 948 00:54:34,017 --> 00:54:35,617 Speaker 1: sort of like the Air fifteen. I was trained by 949 00:54:35,657 --> 00:54:37,577 Speaker 1: the government to do these things. I came back home, 950 00:54:37,657 --> 00:54:39,577 Speaker 1: lived in New York, and they disarmed me. You're not 951 00:54:39,577 --> 00:54:41,257 Speaker 1: allowed to have it. Now I have any of these things. 952 00:54:41,497 --> 00:54:43,217 Speaker 1: And I live in the Free State of Florida. And 953 00:54:43,217 --> 00:54:45,777 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, you're a citizen, you're an American, you 954 00:54:45,777 --> 00:54:48,297 Speaker 1: have Second Moraendment rights, You're allowed to go buy guns. 955 00:54:49,177 --> 00:54:52,257 Speaker 1: It's actually hard to process that. I mean, I love it, 956 00:54:52,497 --> 00:54:55,497 Speaker 1: but there's this there's I almost feel like I'm going 957 00:54:55,577 --> 00:54:58,257 Speaker 1: to go into the guns store here in Florida and 958 00:54:58,297 --> 00:55:01,257 Speaker 1: there's gonna be like FBI guys waiting like, hey, we 959 00:55:01,657 --> 00:55:04,097 Speaker 1: you know you're not allowed to buy We fooled them again, 960 00:55:04,177 --> 00:55:05,777 Speaker 1: Like you're not allowed to buy guns, like you're a 961 00:55:05,897 --> 00:55:07,617 Speaker 1: you're a New Yorker. It's like, well, actually, I'm a 962 00:55:07,657 --> 00:55:10,497 Speaker 1: Floridian Now I live in Florida, and driver's license Florida. 963 00:55:10,617 --> 00:55:15,777 Speaker 1: I live in Florida, and well, pick your poison. You know, 964 00:55:15,897 --> 00:55:18,137 Speaker 1: you can go, you can go buy a gun wherever 965 00:55:18,177 --> 00:55:19,977 Speaker 1: you want. In New York, you could have, you know, 966 00:55:20,457 --> 00:55:23,497 Speaker 1: bought weed or a joint in nanny bodega. Right. Well, 967 00:55:23,537 --> 00:55:25,777 Speaker 1: I also I think, look, this is a whole other 968 00:55:25,817 --> 00:55:27,697 Speaker 1: thing too, you know, and I need to have you 969 00:55:27,737 --> 00:55:29,937 Speaker 1: back because we're even going over time. But like I 970 00:55:30,057 --> 00:55:32,337 Speaker 1: enjoy just David and I are friends in real life. 971 00:55:32,337 --> 00:55:34,217 Speaker 1: I enjoy just talking about all this stuff because I 972 00:55:34,257 --> 00:55:36,777 Speaker 1: think I'm somebody who will admit that I think I 973 00:55:36,857 --> 00:55:42,737 Speaker 1: was fooled by the libertarian case for we extending into 974 00:55:42,817 --> 00:55:45,697 Speaker 1: even more and more permissive laws about not just marijuana, 975 00:55:45,777 --> 00:55:48,857 Speaker 1: but you know, these drug programs and everything it is 976 00:55:49,017 --> 00:55:53,217 Speaker 1: that it is. Unfortunately, the degradation of society. Fentonel is 977 00:55:53,217 --> 00:55:55,897 Speaker 1: more dangerous than anything else we have ever seen by far. 978 00:55:56,617 --> 00:55:58,417 Speaker 1: And we all have this idea of like we just 979 00:55:58,417 --> 00:56:00,177 Speaker 1: need to treat, we just need to treat the drugs. 980 00:56:00,657 --> 00:56:02,017 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever be able to stop this 981 00:56:02,017 --> 00:56:03,817 Speaker 1: stuff as long as people want it. I'm not naive, 982 00:56:04,017 --> 00:56:05,897 Speaker 1: but as a society, I do think we have to 983 00:56:05,897 --> 00:56:08,777 Speaker 1: say you just can't do this stuff. You can't sell it. 984 00:56:08,937 --> 00:56:10,737 Speaker 1: If you sell it, you have to be in you know, 985 00:56:10,777 --> 00:56:13,417 Speaker 1: held to be I'll tell you though, buck on the 986 00:56:13,457 --> 00:56:16,697 Speaker 1: gun on the gun thing. Um, I'm really on the 987 00:56:16,697 --> 00:56:19,977 Speaker 1: fence because you know, I feel safe in my community 988 00:56:19,977 --> 00:56:24,697 Speaker 1: and stuff. But um, I don't. I've never felt responsible 989 00:56:25,577 --> 00:56:27,577 Speaker 1: enough to be a gun owner, like I feel like 990 00:56:27,617 --> 00:56:29,577 Speaker 1: I'm the person who would lose it. But see here 991 00:56:29,697 --> 00:56:33,937 Speaker 1: that you started out in this conversation. You started out 992 00:56:33,937 --> 00:56:36,537 Speaker 1: by saying, you know, obviously you're in West Virginia, plenty 993 00:56:36,577 --> 00:56:38,977 Speaker 1: of guns. Um, you started out by saying, you know, 994 00:56:39,097 --> 00:56:40,617 Speaker 1: I don't think I A lot of people in my 995 00:56:40,657 --> 00:56:42,937 Speaker 1: community though, do have it. Yeah, but that makes the 996 00:56:42,977 --> 00:56:45,257 Speaker 1: whole community safer. I mean, you go to a state, 997 00:56:45,257 --> 00:56:48,937 Speaker 1: for example, that has concealed carry, and the bad guys 998 00:56:48,977 --> 00:56:51,017 Speaker 1: have to think about if I go into this place 999 00:56:51,017 --> 00:56:52,457 Speaker 1: and I just want to rob. I want to take 1000 00:56:52,457 --> 00:56:54,497 Speaker 1: the watch and wallet of every person in this in 1001 00:56:54,577 --> 00:56:58,137 Speaker 1: this restaurant of forty people, it's probably somebody in there 1002 00:56:58,177 --> 00:57:01,457 Speaker 1: in Texas and Florida and West Virginia who's armed up 1003 00:57:02,057 --> 00:57:05,537 Speaker 1: in It's a city, it's a different now, it's free, 1004 00:57:05,617 --> 00:57:08,137 Speaker 1: it's a free for all. You got up in Philly, 1005 00:57:08,457 --> 00:57:10,337 Speaker 1: I grew up in Philly, I spent my some my 1006 00:57:10,337 --> 00:57:13,137 Speaker 1: adulthood in New York. And the obvious answer there is 1007 00:57:13,137 --> 00:57:15,897 Speaker 1: give them your watch, give them your wallet, right, I mean, 1008 00:57:15,937 --> 00:57:18,497 Speaker 1: that's it, like like that's just that's what we're all 1009 00:57:18,497 --> 00:57:20,937 Speaker 1: taught to do. That's that's that's what you're supposed to do. 1010 00:57:21,657 --> 00:57:23,817 Speaker 1: Um No, I mean the notion of like maybe I 1011 00:57:23,897 --> 00:57:25,337 Speaker 1: have a gun on me and I can tell this 1012 00:57:25,377 --> 00:57:31,457 Speaker 1: guy not to that's very that's honestly very foreign to me. Buck. Yeah, well, 1013 00:57:32,097 --> 00:57:34,057 Speaker 1: I've been trained. So the good news is, David, when 1014 00:57:34,097 --> 00:57:36,417 Speaker 1: we go out to dinner in Florida, UM, I'll probably 1015 00:57:36,417 --> 00:57:38,697 Speaker 1: be strapped, and if anything bad happens, I'll take care 1016 00:57:38,737 --> 00:57:42,937 Speaker 1: of you. I gotta leave it into trouble. That's funny, 1017 00:57:43,057 --> 00:57:45,577 Speaker 1: the Florida guy taking care of the West Virginia guys. 1018 00:57:45,617 --> 00:57:47,457 Speaker 1: Hey man, David, Where should people go to follow you? 1019 00:57:47,457 --> 00:57:49,057 Speaker 1: Follow your work? And I really will come back. I 1020 00:57:49,097 --> 00:57:50,657 Speaker 1: want to talk drugs with you. I want to talk 1021 00:57:50,697 --> 00:57:53,417 Speaker 1: illegal immigration, cartels, all kinds of stuff. So we'll do 1022 00:57:53,457 --> 00:57:55,737 Speaker 1: that next month. But where should people go to follow 1023 00:57:55,777 --> 00:57:59,177 Speaker 1: your work? I'm at blue Box Dave, on Twitter and 1024 00:57:59,257 --> 00:58:01,337 Speaker 1: on pretty much most of the platforms that you know, 1025 00:58:01,417 --> 00:58:06,337 Speaker 1: you can meet me at Daily Mail, Daily Wire, Fox News, Spectator, 1026 00:58:06,457 --> 00:58:09,457 Speaker 1: Human Events. Um. You know, I try to try to 1027 00:58:10,697 --> 00:58:13,057 Speaker 1: You know what I like to do, Buck is is 1028 00:58:13,297 --> 00:58:15,297 Speaker 1: I want to write for everybody who's on the right, 1029 00:58:15,297 --> 00:58:17,977 Speaker 1: because I think we have these factions now. I think 1030 00:58:18,057 --> 00:58:21,977 Speaker 1: sometimes there's in fighting. I like everybody. I think everybody's 1031 00:58:21,977 --> 00:58:23,897 Speaker 1: fighting the good fight, and so I like to be 1032 00:58:23,937 --> 00:58:26,257 Speaker 1: out there. I actually agree with you. That's why I 1033 00:58:26,257 --> 00:58:29,017 Speaker 1: don't take shots at right wing people on the very 1034 00:58:29,097 --> 00:58:30,777 Speaker 1: large radio show that I do every day. I don't 1035 00:58:30,777 --> 00:58:33,377 Speaker 1: do it. I mean politicians, yes, but people in the media. 1036 00:58:33,657 --> 00:58:36,417 Speaker 1: We're all on the same team. David. Great to see you, 1037 00:58:36,497 --> 00:58:39,137 Speaker 1: my man, talk next time. Okay, thanks for having me man. Okay,