Speaker 1: All right, almost back on the year, Kimbo cambrag, John
Speaker 1: kN Jemmy, and today we have special guests, and let's
Speaker 1: John Bosa, former Miami Dolphin first round draft pick. And uh, John,
Speaker 1: he's been Uh boy, it's been a it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a great football life for you. Let's put it
Speaker 1: that way. First of all, you come out of Boston College,
Speaker 1: a number one draft pick for the Miami Dolphins. Uh,
Speaker 1: you have a nice career here, and then your son's
Speaker 1: co in and I remember, I remember, I remember you'd
Speaker 1: give me a call when Joey was uh Joey Boza
Speaker 1: was getting ready to go to St. Thomas going to
Speaker 1: high school. Hey, kim John Joy is gonna go to St. Thomas.
Speaker 1: I hope you hope he's gonna be all right, Now
Speaker 1: go Johnny, don't worry, he'll be fine. Well, I just
Speaker 1: hope that somebody, you know, somebody out there season gets
Speaker 1: him a scholarship. I don't care where, just like I
Speaker 1: need to get him a scholarship. And I think I
Speaker 1: tried to hook you up with Larry Bluestein, who's the
Speaker 1: dean of all high school. You call Larry. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna know everybody. And then after you saw saw
Speaker 1: Joey play one time, I got fine, you don't need
Speaker 1: that ship. It's been quite a ride for you with
Speaker 1: with your boys, especially with the draft coming up and
Speaker 1: UH and Nick coming out now and where he's projected.
Speaker 1: But as as a father, you've got to just be
Speaker 1: one of one of the proudest. Look, everyone's proud of
Speaker 1: their kids, um, but to see your kids do what
Speaker 1: they've done, boy, it's just got to fill your heart
Speaker 1: every day when you when you see him, and I
Speaker 1: know how close you are with those two boys. Well, absolutely,
Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure
Speaker 1: to be here. Um. Obviously, I've always just wished for
Speaker 1: the best and happiness for my sons. Could have never dreamed.
Speaker 1: And I and I, like you said that phone call,
Speaker 1: I really you know. I never coached him. I always
Speaker 1: knew they had some talent. But I do remember being
Speaker 1: nervous having joe go to St. Thomas because I knew
Speaker 1: the history of the school. UH awesome combination of academics
Speaker 1: and athletics, so it was it was the perfect place
Speaker 1: for them. But I was a little nervous because I
Speaker 1: had seen the kind of quality years that come out
Speaker 1: of there every year, and I just wanted, you know,
Speaker 1: to make sure part of part of what was great
Speaker 1: about it is great coaching, great mentoring, you know, George
Speaker 1: Smith and the coaches were wonderful. So it was obviously
Speaker 1: a fabulous spot form. But I was nervous, you know,
Speaker 1: I just I never I never dreamed that, you know,
Speaker 1: these guys would would achieve what they have and obviously,
Speaker 1: and I'm just blessed. You look at these guys, their
Speaker 1: two sons, Joey and Nick and there, and they're almost identical,
Speaker 1: you know, different personalities, different, you know, It's it's funny.
Speaker 1: I've always had this conversation with people where kids have
Speaker 1: grown up in the same household, yet they come out,
Speaker 1: you know, eventually they they their their paths come very different.
Speaker 1: And and they're they're very similar in what they do
Speaker 1: from on the playing field, but personality wise, they're they're
Speaker 1: very different. Ones a little more outgoing than the other.
Speaker 1: This and that. But you also were a gym owner
Speaker 1: at the time. When you got done playing football, you
Speaker 1: had the gym, and and I keep looking going, man,
Speaker 1: those guys just grew they grew up in that gym.
Speaker 1: Because they are. They are, they were then and they're
Speaker 1: still now. As big a gym rats as there are
Speaker 1: is there are in this country, absolutely, and you know,
Speaker 1: for them, their their personalities are very different. But the
Speaker 1: one thing they both had which I never had, is
Speaker 1: they had the drive, the inner love for the sport.
Speaker 1: And as you know, um, we all know football practice
Speaker 1: is not a lot of fun. I mean, Friday nights,
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday is easy, is a lot of fun, right,
Speaker 1: but but you know the preparation that people don't see,
Speaker 1: the window workouts at the same time as six am,
Speaker 1: you know, they were there were it was. It was
Speaker 1: almost like a junior college atmosphere. And I never had
Speaker 1: I never had to push them. I never had to
Speaker 1: I woke them up, you know, I go in, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: time to go. Boom, they're up having breakfast and we're off.
Speaker 1: So very different, but that that similar drive. Um. The
Speaker 1: only thing, you know, it's funny because I never coached,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't coach the kind of technique that they
Speaker 1: teach now. Um, but I think the only thing that
Speaker 1: they kind of saw in me was, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of I was a grinder. You know, I wasn't the
Speaker 1: most talented athlete, but I achieved when I achieved really
Speaker 1: just just working hard and being in the gym and
Speaker 1: trying to make the best of that. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, coupling their unbelievable athletic ability, but then just
Speaker 1: having you know, having that work ethnic and drive. I
Speaker 1: think that was the one thing that they kind of
Speaker 1: saw in me. And and I think, but uh, but
Speaker 1: I could you know, I credit St. Thomas and and
Speaker 1: and the great coaches in Ohio state coach Johnson, but
Speaker 1: those those boys were just driven and and it's a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not that much fun. So this is
Speaker 1: this is going to be the fruition of a lot
Speaker 1: of hard work, john other than the size. When they
Speaker 1: were growing up and going through grade school and getting
Speaker 1: to high school, when did you know as a dad,
Speaker 1: they go, man, these guys got a chance that When
Speaker 1: did that when you watched him play? Because you have
Speaker 1: to take credit for that grinder mentality because your dad.
Speaker 1: Everybody's you know, always telling their kids, hey, you gotta
Speaker 1: work hard for what you get. You gotta do it
Speaker 1: the right way, so you have that ingrained in them.
Speaker 1: But athletic ability, when did when did you kind of
Speaker 1: get that smile ear to ear going you know what,
Speaker 1: I think these guys are gonna be have a chance
Speaker 1: to be pretty good. Well, it was pretty early, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you. And you know when they we
Speaker 1: brought him out because we lived east and we brought
Speaker 1: him out to Ppo Pemmict Park Optimists. And that's a
Speaker 1: it's a heck of a heck of a park. Um,
Speaker 1: amazing athletes, really high quality kids and and and uh
Speaker 1: so it was pretty early when I started to see,
Speaker 1: you know, Nick was dominating. The guy was unbelievable. Um,
Speaker 1: Joey was playing They were kind of you know, he
Speaker 1: was playing a lot of positions. He was playing quarterback
Speaker 1: and punting and playing safety and they kind of didn't
Speaker 1: they didn't. He kind of bounced around a little bit.
Speaker 1: So with him, I could see the athletic ability and everything.
Speaker 1: Everything they did. You know, they hit a golf ball
Speaker 1: or played tennis. I mean, they could do it all. Um,
Speaker 1: But pretty early I knew they you know, they had
Speaker 1: some they had some some some like weird technique that
Speaker 1: mostly kids don't have and kind of that feel for
Speaker 1: where the ball was going. Um, so it was pretty
Speaker 1: early I never really, you know, I said, Okay, they
Speaker 1: have a chance of being good players. I wasn't sure,
Speaker 1: you know, I was trying to be humble and and
Speaker 1: not that dad. Yeah, thanks, his son's gonna be before
Speaker 1: you see. So, you know, I kind of sat back
Speaker 1: and it was always pretty quiet in the stands, and
Speaker 1: and but it was pretty early that they started to
Speaker 1: show some some real, you know, real talent. John. Let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's we'll get back to the boys. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about you a little bit. You come out
Speaker 1: of Boston College, first round draft pick for the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: high expectations, and I know this is something that that
Speaker 1: that that that I don't want to I don't know
Speaker 1: what the proper term and joll that that that bothers
Speaker 1: you a little bit. You know, you came in your
Speaker 1: very good player. You worked hard, you were a grinder,
Speaker 1: and injuries really really devastated your career. You had knee,
Speaker 1: you had neck, you had all those problems. I'm talking
Speaker 1: with you. We're walking in here like you still got
Speaker 1: that where you got you can't really turn it. And
Speaker 1: but but people have labeled you as as a as
Speaker 1: a bad draft pick, which was to me and I
Speaker 1: think anybody that's been around was around at the time
Speaker 1: and around the organization knows it was a completely different thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, guys can have long careers with no injuries.
Speaker 1: Guys can have great football players and have one year
Speaker 1: careers because of a devastating and and and you went
Speaker 1: down the injury lane that that really derailed your career. UM.
Speaker 1: But there's been a lot of things that have been
Speaker 1: said and written about you to me that I think
Speaker 1: are falsehoods, And and I know it's been tough for
Speaker 1: you to deal with, you know, post career, for you, um,
Speaker 1: and for all the fans out there, and we've got
Speaker 1: John Boza, you know, Nick Bosa, Joey Boza to the
Speaker 1: great gonna be the great football players over this next decade, UM,
Speaker 1: how have you dealt with that and kind of fought
Speaker 1: through it? And and for me, I'd like to see
Speaker 1: you a little more involved with the organization because I
Speaker 1: think you the organization deserves to have you involved with him.
Speaker 1: And I know it's a little tough, and I know
Speaker 1: this is kind of a little ten your situation, but
Speaker 1: just kind of what you went through and in some
Speaker 1: of the disappointment that that that you had going through that, well,
Speaker 1: you kind of hit the word. The biggest thing for
Speaker 1: me was it was disappointing because I came down here.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have been more thrilled, you know, I I
Speaker 1: think you know. I came out of Keene, New Hampshire. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was the last scholarship available at Boston College. Someone
Speaker 1: had opted out for a different school. So coach Mike Maser,
Speaker 1: who was the online coach, who was in the NFL
Speaker 1: for years after that. Uh, Tom Coughlin was the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator there, Jack mcnell. So I snuck in to BC.
Speaker 1: Uh the last scholarship. And I always used to joke,
Speaker 1: you know, my whole life, I was John boast of
Speaker 1: the football player. I mean that just kind of went together.
Speaker 1: It was John, Yeah, John the football player, and I
Speaker 1: always joked that's saying, you know, if I didn't get
Speaker 1: to b C, i'd be I'd still be pumping gas
Speaker 1: and Keen. Uh. So it wasn't It was an enormous
Speaker 1: opportunity for me to get out of Keen. My options were,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a going to Dartmouth and getting some grants,
Speaker 1: or playing at U n H or you mass. So
Speaker 1: I didn't have the Notre Dame, the Penn State, so
Speaker 1: BC was just a godsend for me. UM played five
Speaker 1: years there. It took me two years to even see
Speaker 1: the field, you know. So I went from to eighteen
Speaker 1: to to seventy in three years and finally got on
Speaker 1: the field and and and had had a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I mean it was great years. So I never got hurt,
Speaker 1: never had any injuries. You know, felt great. I get
Speaker 1: that call from coach Chula, you know, best day of
Speaker 1: my life. So I come down here, and you know,
Speaker 1: it is hard, you know, because I've been I've been
Speaker 1: lumped into the bust category and I just I hate
Speaker 1: that word. And it was, you know, one thing after another.
Speaker 1: I felt. I felt great. When I first played, I
Speaker 1: had a pretty good year. Uh. Second year, I really
Speaker 1: felt good and we were playing well, and then the
Speaker 1: knees injuries just started. Uh and it was just my knee,
Speaker 1: first knee injury. My career was over. I didn't know it.
Speaker 1: I thought I could bounce back. But you know, for me,
Speaker 1: the the if you're if you're just a true gifted athlete,
Speaker 1: you can maybe get back from those things. But that
Speaker 1: that knee injury was so devastating. Everything was gone. I
Speaker 1: mean it was just blown out. And medical technology back
Speaker 1: then wasn't what wasn't what they're doing now they're there.
Speaker 1: I was in a cast. I always always tell them,
Speaker 1: you know, when you have new injury. Back then, it
Speaker 1: was like that little cartoons where the lion and the
Speaker 1: lion tent would open their mouth and stick their head
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what the doctor did, right, give
Speaker 1: you a cut about twelve inches longer than they spull
Speaker 1: that thing open, and and then the chance of coming
Speaker 1: back everything. It was devastating, and I, you know, your
Speaker 1: mindset back then, you know I can make it back. Um,
Speaker 1: but if I if I watched tape before and after,
Speaker 1: I lost that that quickness off the ball. So my
Speaker 1: career was over. And I hung around, but it was over.
Speaker 1: So you know, I was fortunate. I got right into
Speaker 1: business right after opened the gym and South Beach and
Speaker 1: it kind of took my mind a little bit off
Speaker 1: of things. But it was just an absolute disappointment. You know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to play for ten years and and had
Speaker 1: all those dreams and and really the short time I
Speaker 1: was with the Dolphins were some of the most you know,
Speaker 1: blessed and fun days in my life. It was. It
Speaker 1: was fabulous. But um so, so I think now, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back on it, um, I almost it's almost it
Speaker 1: was hard for me because my sons would read, you
Speaker 1: know that that your dad was a bust and so
Speaker 1: it was almost I was embarrassed for my kids that
Speaker 1: they had to read that their dad r I buzzed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the biggest bust. And so so that was kind of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, there they're fantastic and and and it's it's
Speaker 1: long over. It was like a whole another life. But
Speaker 1: it was definitely you know, I don't think I would
Speaker 1: have been a bust if I would have stayed healthy.
Speaker 1: That's kind of and you know, and I see I
Speaker 1: see how they labeled different people when you look at
Speaker 1: different situations. Um you know, whatever it is, what it
Speaker 1: is and that. But it certainly was difficult. Well well
Speaker 1: the O. The other thing too is you know you
Speaker 1: had Eric Kumro, who was you know, your best friends
Speaker 1: with him. You know, you married his great sister. I
Speaker 1: mean you were very close and so and er Eric Eric,
Speaker 1: you know, and and look, I know the pressure of
Speaker 1: being a first round pick, you know, the pressure of
Speaker 1: being the first round pick, and it's there and it's
Speaker 1: there with you throughout your career. And Eric comes in
Speaker 1: and I think they reached for Eric. It didn't work out,
Speaker 1: so Eric, and then you you kind at the same time,
Speaker 1: you kind of same you, you kind of morphed together
Speaker 1: in in fans of mind, you two are the same guy, right,
Speaker 1: and which which is which? Which? To me? And I
Speaker 1: look back and I always feel bad because I think
Speaker 1: I think it's very unfair under both situations. But fans
Speaker 1: are fans, and they're gonna say what they're gonna say.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I just I just wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about that because I know, I know how hard
Speaker 1: it's been for you. I know how much it you
Speaker 1: It's it's been something that's snagged you for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I just don't you know, you got to hear
Speaker 1: the story to understand the truth. And then that's why
Speaker 1: I'm trying to just know, let's throw that and and
Speaker 1: you know the things that I would Unfortunately the brief career, Um,
Speaker 1: but the fortunate part is I got to meet unbelievable people,
Speaker 1: um you and all the all the guys that that
Speaker 1: I that I didn't play with but then all the
Speaker 1: guys that were there, you know, Um Brazilski and and
Speaker 1: and all the guys and you Green. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: met wonderful people and got a chance to be Shoelea's
Speaker 1: draft pick, which you know, which are really amazing times. Well, look,
Speaker 1: I got that same phone call that you got, and
Speaker 1: it still resonates with me today. It's still one of
Speaker 1: the great moments in my life. And look, had it
Speaker 1: been Joe smo from you know, the Cincinnati Bengals or
Speaker 1: somewhere from someone else, it's been all, yeah, it was nice.
Speaker 1: But but to have coach pick it up and and
Speaker 1: and talk to you that that, you know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: go away. It's only one of those those guys. And
Speaker 1: it's it's funny because you kind of segment your life
Speaker 1: in ways. You know, your professional you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: growing up your college days, your professional days, and then
Speaker 1: what you do after football. And what a credit you've
Speaker 1: been to South Florida in terms of your reach in
Speaker 1: South Florida, being able to help people with your businesses,
Speaker 1: being able to interact with people with your businesses, and
Speaker 1: when you fast forward to your boys and going through
Speaker 1: this process now as a dad, How tough, How tough
Speaker 1: is it to just sit there and kind of go,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to do everything I can to help
Speaker 1: my boys, but there's a line where I just want
Speaker 1: to I can't. I can't overstep that, Like I want
Speaker 1: to be able to do what I can because I
Speaker 1: love them. Number one, They're always gonna be my son's
Speaker 1: but I can't. I can't go over this because this
Speaker 1: isn't my job. Well, that's yeah, and that's really something.
Speaker 1: I don't know why or how I kind of came
Speaker 1: to this conclusion early, um, but I think part of
Speaker 1: it was I knew I didn't want to coach them
Speaker 1: because I saw I saw how that stresses relationships with
Speaker 1: fathers and sons, and I know that I would have
Speaker 1: been tougher on them and that that just wasn't my deal.
Speaker 1: And I kind of knew that from from early and
Speaker 1: then I was kind of blessed really because they had
Speaker 1: great coaches, so I didn't feel like I had to
Speaker 1: step in and I was I was the and I
Speaker 1: definitely never wanted to be that guy, you know, that
Speaker 1: that old old athlete that that's so I was always
Speaker 1: quiet and sat in the back and really was just
Speaker 1: blessed that they had good coaching, even in the youth league,
Speaker 1: and then at St. Thomas, it was easy and I
Speaker 1: had great relationship with George Smith, great relationship with the
Speaker 1: coaches there. So I just sat in the same spot
Speaker 1: up on the father standing, yeah, and just watched them. Um.
Speaker 1: And I just always wanted them to know that I
Speaker 1: was there for him. Um, but I wasn't. I wasn't
Speaker 1: there pushing, you know. And I just saw that wasn't
Speaker 1: just my style. I know, I'm not. I don't tell
Speaker 1: people how to parent their kids. But for me, I
Speaker 1: knew that I wasn't going to be the one that
Speaker 1: was constantly hounding them. And then really, once they got going,
Speaker 1: they didn't need it. Yeah, So then I was just
Speaker 1: there cooking for him. Yeah. It's pretty easy to look
Speaker 1: around and go, I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do that. I'm gonna be my own guy. And that's
Speaker 1: what you did. And and I think they responded to
Speaker 1: that being because I made those promises to him that hey,
Speaker 1: I'll I'll surround you with the best people at every level.
Speaker 1: I'll be there to support you you need me, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm always here. For you. But I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: that guy. I'm not gonna be your agent. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, pushing you. You guys have to
Speaker 1: do it. If you love it and and the passion
Speaker 1: is there, then it was easy for you. And then look,
Speaker 1: we've all seen those guys, you know, we've seen those
Speaker 1: guys that and you feel so bad for the kids
Speaker 1: because they just, first of all, most of them don't
Speaker 1: have the pedigree that you have from a from a
Speaker 1: playing standpoint to where look, you do have some some
Speaker 1: you know, little gravitas to say this is what you
Speaker 1: should do. Uh, And they have that, but they want
Speaker 1: to be the they want to run the show they
Speaker 1: want and you see the kids three years later, they're
Speaker 1: they're ruined, right and based on uh, let's talk about
Speaker 1: let's talk about when when you know, when you're in
Speaker 1: the gym, how how how quickly do they matriculate to
Speaker 1: because these guys are I watched him in I watched
Speaker 1: Joey in the weight room, and I'm just like jeeus,
Speaker 1: I can't even look at it. I'm so you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so embarrassed for how shitty and weak I
Speaker 1: was when I was a football player, like I can't
Speaker 1: watch it. You know, it's it's just too much. But
Speaker 1: you know, for them, I mean how much how good
Speaker 1: was it for them for you to be in that
Speaker 1: business that is so important to becoming a very good
Speaker 1: football player, to spend time in that way, room to
Speaker 1: learn how to do that, to learn what that does.
Speaker 1: Not only from an athletics standpoint, from a from a safety,
Speaker 1: from an injury stand show, you know, the stronger you
Speaker 1: are suffer it is free to get get that bad injury. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think what was great is they got
Speaker 1: comfortable in the gym at an early age, so they
Speaker 1: got comfortable doing things. They loved it, so I could
Speaker 1: already tell it wasn't gonna be uh you know, really
Speaker 1: a push to get him man up. And they really
Speaker 1: they kind of enjoyed it. They had fun with it.
Speaker 1: Um And then you know, so we we would train,
Speaker 1: but we would I would always try and do a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. We play hoop, you know, we'd
Speaker 1: hit baseballs, we you know, we did active Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we were playing tennis, we were playing golf, we
Speaker 1: were you know, out on the jet skis, just trying
Speaker 1: to do a lot of things. What I loved about
Speaker 1: it for them was I loved basketball, you know, because
Speaker 1: I could see their quickness in their in their hand
Speaker 1: I I just thought that was a great way of
Speaker 1: having fun with them but actually developing their their overall
Speaker 1: skills because it's different muscles that used to play different sports.
Speaker 1: I've been along. I've told a lot of people this
Speaker 1: and then that their kids. I said, you know what
Speaker 1: gets your They go, my kids, but all these he's
Speaker 1: a baseball guy and he's traveling baseball. It's well, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, to me, the best athletes I've seen have
Speaker 1: played every sports because and I always thought, like you
Speaker 1: talk about basketball, lateral movement, been in your knees, all
Speaker 1: those things that you that everything you're do in different
Speaker 1: sports comes back at some point as part that makes
Speaker 1: you at your core for the sport. Did you end up?
Speaker 1: I actually, I actually think watching you know, basketball players,
Speaker 1: to me, they're the best athletes. I mean, what they're
Speaker 1: able to do, the shape there, in the running and jumping,
Speaker 1: it's just it's an amazing So I always kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, had them doing a bunch of things. Obviously,
Speaker 1: once they get in again into St. Thomas, you know,
Speaker 1: none of that training that was just old hat to them.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of some of those kids, they've
Speaker 1: never been in a gym. And then you know, and
Speaker 1: and it's it's a pretty tough, you know, schedule. They
Speaker 1: had discipline to get up to do that stuff every day.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't just jump into that. And I'm
Speaker 1: all four and they and they just they loved it
Speaker 1: from an early age. So that was an easy transition
Speaker 1: and really nothing ever, it kind of set them up
Speaker 1: for nothing really shocked them. You know, you you make
Speaker 1: these big jumps in levels um and whether it's the
Speaker 1: intensity of the workouts or or how you take care
Speaker 1: of your body and how you eat and how you hydrate.
Speaker 1: I mean, these things they kind of you know, they
Speaker 1: never a junk, never a junk food, never drink soda,
Speaker 1: you know, Joey doesn't drink alcohol. I mean, they're just there.
Speaker 1: It's this whole package. But what kind of set them up,
Speaker 1: I think, and what you were alluding to when they
Speaker 1: were young is being in the gym kind of getting
Speaker 1: used to that gave them a transition that never nothing
Speaker 1: ever shocked him. You know, we don't workout, okay. And
Speaker 1: then going to Ohio State which is a whole another level. Right,
Speaker 1: None of that training shocked them because they were already
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, it was exactly so so that that
Speaker 1: I think, really and then you just turn everything up
Speaker 1: with really what you and I never had, which is
Speaker 1: the stretching and the nutrition. And I mean, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I never I never stretched. We stretched on
Speaker 1: the field and it was it was a joke, you know.
Speaker 1: So I mean Joe stretches an hour before his workouts,
Speaker 1: in an hour after every day, you know, and and
Speaker 1: the nutrition and the guy, you know, all of that
Speaker 1: is just yeah, you know, next but but all that's
Speaker 1: but all that too, has come along with the growth
Speaker 1: of you know, the progression. Yeah, you learn more about nutrition,
Speaker 1: may be more about training, all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: And so they've been able to let's go, let let's
Speaker 1: get to the point where so Joey's there, and Joe's
Speaker 1: and and he's getting ready to be a senior year.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you've got every school in the
Speaker 1: country wants him. I'm sure BC was on the phone,
Speaker 1: Hey John, you know we could use him up here,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to pull on that alumni string a
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm sure but but I didn't think so.
Speaker 1: But but how that? Uh? And and I know you
Speaker 1: kind of did the same thing. Hey, you're on your own.
Speaker 1: I'll help you whatever you want. You make your decisions.
Speaker 1: So you're kind of sitting back watching all these people
Speaker 1: come come through the door. Had to be, uh, had
Speaker 1: to be pretty a pretty interesting point. Actually you're in
Speaker 1: his life. Um, so what I did for him is
Speaker 1: and and things kind of got going fast. So we
Speaker 1: went to after a sophomore year, we went to the
Speaker 1: camp that that the coach Saban runs in Alabama. And
Speaker 1: so after the camp, coach Saban pulled. So I'm watching.
Speaker 1: I'm watching the camp, and they got him playing outside
Speaker 1: linebacker and dropping, which he's never done and in high
Speaker 1: school he hadn't done. And this is what was State Alabama,
Speaker 1: Sabama and this is Joey sophomore year after So I
Speaker 1: got he's covering a running back and he picks the
Speaker 1: and he picks the throw and I see Saban and
Speaker 1: I see there's a guy running with joe the whole
Speaker 1: time videoing. So after the after the kind of one
Speaker 1: day camp, Saban calls us over and we're go into
Speaker 1: his office and he offers Joe right there. So this
Speaker 1: was after a sophomore year. That's his first offer. So
Speaker 1: we're sitting at lunch after and uh and he goes, wo,
Speaker 1: how can I get better than this? You know, we
Speaker 1: should just commit now. I said, no, Joe. I said,
Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do. And I said, this is amazing, amazing, blessing.
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do is we're gonna go through this process.
Speaker 1: We're gonna let this process play out. And what I'll
Speaker 1: try and do is I'm gonna narrow your number down
Speaker 1: to maybe six or eight schools that I that really
Speaker 1: fit for you, and then you make your decision and
Speaker 1: and and you can't lose out of any of those.
Speaker 1: So we went back and then they when that kind
Speaker 1: of happens, when Alabama offers a kid at that age,
Speaker 1: then that it's like coming the next day. So so
Speaker 1: Obama was the first offer, and that was that was
Speaker 1: right after his sophomore years. So then you know, plays
Speaker 1: his junior year, plays a senior year. It's crazy. And
Speaker 1: and we narrowed it down to eight schools. He did
Speaker 1: his six visits and just fell in love with Ohio
Speaker 1: State and and that was the deal. So again, it
Speaker 1: was that thing where I wasn't going to let him
Speaker 1: go to Oregon. Okay, I wasn't gonna play. He wasn't
Speaker 1: going to Texas and when the Texas kids, you know,
Speaker 1: it had to be a kind of the right what
Speaker 1: I felt was a good fit. And I talked to
Speaker 1: a lot you know, I talked to George Smith. I
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people about the day, because
Speaker 1: he knows all those coaches, um, and I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, what do you think Urban
Speaker 1: may he goes. I don't like Urban Maya he goes.
Speaker 1: I love Urban That's what George said to me. So,
Speaker 1: you know that was that was good to hear. But again,
Speaker 1: my son's made their made their decisions. I just kind
Speaker 1: of narrowed it down a little for him. So so
Speaker 1: when Joey went Ohio State, what was number two? Uh,
Speaker 1: number two was Bama and Florida State was right there,
Speaker 1: but I think Bama was number two. So then he goes,
Speaker 1: and then you got Nick coming up, coming up in
Speaker 1: the rear, and I think Nick was fifteen or so.
Speaker 1: When when when Urban kind of threw the on his birthday? Yeah,
Speaker 1: his birthday right now, birthday. That was a pretty good
Speaker 1: and I actually thought he was kidding at first. He
Speaker 1: did it on the phone, I said, urban, I said,
Speaker 1: coach my eyes. I said, this is his birthday. You
Speaker 1: sure this is what's going on here? He goes, just
Speaker 1: put him on the phone. I don't I don't say anything.
Speaker 1: I don't mean it. Just put him on. So Nick
Speaker 1: gets on the phone and happy birthday. And we're offering
Speaker 1: you so so you you must have been you know,
Speaker 1: for for for what's seven years or six years? You
Speaker 1: have to be the king of Columbus. Oh god, you
Speaker 1: know you can get a reservation kind of. I need
Speaker 1: a reservation for both. Yeah. That was pretty It was
Speaker 1: pretty good. And that's pretty good, right, And I've learned
Speaker 1: to really I didn't know much about Columbus at all.
Speaker 1: It's really a really cool town, very nice town. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously giant college town, but there's really it's a really
Speaker 1: nice scene there, great restaurants and bars and and and
Speaker 1: really nice people and obviously the Boses. It's pretty good
Speaker 1: nameing in Columbus. You know what's pretty cool about watching
Speaker 1: him in college was, uh, you see him grow up
Speaker 1: through St. Thomas, you see him get to that level,
Speaker 1: and both boys had unique styles about them. You know,
Speaker 1: you could you could tell the difference in high school.
Speaker 1: Both were great athletes, but you could just tell that
Speaker 1: they were they were their own person. They did things
Speaker 1: their own way. And watching him go through did you
Speaker 1: ever kind of, you know, kind of pinch yourself, going, well,
Speaker 1: so and so did it this way, but that's not him,
Speaker 1: you know, and you kind of separate the boys, and
Speaker 1: you know you can, you can kind of mirror things
Speaker 1: and try to glean things off that will help your game.
Speaker 1: But when you watch him play, how are they different? Well,
Speaker 1: they're different. And the thing that the thing that people
Speaker 1: always ask me is to compare the two and it's
Speaker 1: not a fair comparison, although it's they're very similar. But
Speaker 1: really what happened was, you know, Joe, Joe had his
Speaker 1: success at St. Thomas was based on quickness and just
Speaker 1: shears strength. I mean, he just powered. He didn't have
Speaker 1: those refined techniques. So he gets coached by very Rabel
Speaker 1: his first year. But then coach Larry Johnson comes and
Speaker 1: to me a guy who I who I love, uh
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't say that lightly. I mean
Speaker 1: this man for what he did for my sons. And
Speaker 1: when you hand your kids off at college to coach,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a trust. Um. And I love him
Speaker 1: and my sons love him, and and you know as
Speaker 1: a person and what he mentored and helped my sons.
Speaker 1: But then the technical part of it, I think he's
Speaker 1: the best DeLine coach in any league in the in
Speaker 1: the States. Um. And what he did is he started
Speaker 1: teaching joe all these these hand techniques and flipping your
Speaker 1: hips and all that. And so now Joey's athletic ability,
Speaker 1: which is sick, you know, I mean the way he
Speaker 1: can Ben runway. Yeah, so now you're taking advantage of
Speaker 1: his real strengths. Whereas you watch you watch his high
Speaker 1: school tapes, he's just killing people, just so you know.
Speaker 1: So now you have Nick who played they played together,
Speaker 1: which was unbelievably that one year. But now you have
Speaker 1: Joe coming back and teaching Nick all these techniques and
Speaker 1: Nix a sophomore in high school. And then whenever we
Speaker 1: were up in Columbus, you know, coach j would say, Hey,
Speaker 1: bring Nick in and we'd sit in a film room
Speaker 1: and watch Joey's film for a couple of hours. Well,
Speaker 1: of course, Nick's gonna have a little bit of an
Speaker 1: advantage because now he's getting coach time and he's working
Speaker 1: with his brother who's saying, hey you So now Nick
Speaker 1: had two years to refine in high school that technique
Speaker 1: that joe was refining in college. So yeah, Nick, And
Speaker 1: and that's where you see the difference in his his
Speaker 1: tape in high school is Nick's just doing stuff. Well
Speaker 1: that's what I remember watching both of them when they
Speaker 1: were there, and you're and I remember, you know, Joey,
Speaker 1: you know, you just he was just a man playing
Speaker 1: against boys as we could do whatever he wanted to do.
Speaker 1: And then when Nick came along, I go, man, this guy.
Speaker 1: You know he's got he's got good hands, he's getting
Speaker 1: his hands in the right place. His technique, I said,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, they go do you I think
Speaker 1: I think Nick's maybe a little better player, may end
Speaker 1: up being a little better player. But just because he
Speaker 1: had the technique, he wasn't as raw as as Joey.
Speaker 1: When Joey is playing, like he said, Joey helped him
Speaker 1: get those you get those technique and but two completely different.
Speaker 1: The results were this very similar, but two different ways
Speaker 1: of getting about it. Absolutely and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: the funny thing is they're both their goals now. I mean,
Speaker 1: Joe wants to get better every day. He's twenty three
Speaker 1: years old, he's been in the league four unbelievable and
Speaker 1: and every day he's working on different things. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's so you know, I don't think he's finished
Speaker 1: evolving into the player he's gonna be. And he's had
Speaker 1: a pretty good run already. And I think Nick is
Speaker 1: you know, Nick every day is watching film of of
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald and Tom Bobby and all the you know,
Speaker 1: coach j does cut ups of all these different techniques
Speaker 1: and and you know they still talk about all the
Speaker 1: different things. So it's a constant, you know, they constantly
Speaker 1: want to get better every day, which is just amazing.
Speaker 1: How how is this process this year going through leading
Speaker 1: up to the draft. Does it differ any from the
Speaker 1: first time around? Yeah, well, I mean it differed the
Speaker 1: structure of it doesn't differ. Um, the boys you know different,
Speaker 1: you know, there were different issues that Joe had in
Speaker 1: college that we were you know looking at um there
Speaker 1: was uh, you know, certain teams and then the trades down.
Speaker 1: But during the process, and that's why Thursday is going
Speaker 1: to be interesting because you never know what's going to
Speaker 1: you really don't. And and you know, the Chargers had
Speaker 1: had one dinner with Joe in Columbus. I had walked
Speaker 1: happened to be in the same restaurant, Joey's. There. They
Speaker 1: invited me to sit down with him and said, no,
Speaker 1: you know, you you have dinner with Joe. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have dinner with So I gave him a
Speaker 1: hug in front of him, and they sat down, had dinner,
Speaker 1: and I went and left because I wanted them to
Speaker 1: get to know Joe. I don't want to sit there
Speaker 1: at dinner and yeah, so, so I I left. And
Speaker 1: they had said later on that they appreciated that, you know,
Speaker 1: because they um but that was it. They didn't they
Speaker 1: didn't have any workouts to Joe. They didn't they didn't
Speaker 1: talk to him much of the combine they happened, and
Speaker 1: they knew, they knew then that he was their guy. UM.
Speaker 1: So so when you look at now, you know that
Speaker 1: there's all these different nuances. So you have certain teams
Speaker 1: that have been very vocal about wanting Nick and then
Speaker 1: their teams that are quietly in the background, so you
Speaker 1: really don't know, and it's interesting, but they are very
Speaker 1: you know, the the setup is the same, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a bit tedious at the end. You know. I
Speaker 1: never wish away time because I'm living such a blessed
Speaker 1: life with these boys and I enjoy every minute, but
Speaker 1: I am kind of getting anxious because it gets well,
Speaker 1: you're how was it, How was that day? How was
Speaker 1: draft day for for Joey? Yeah? I mean just you know,
Speaker 1: your first time going through a draft with with your son,
Speaker 1: and and you know he had expectations and you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna be it's gonna be in the top five.
Speaker 1: You know that it's just where you're gonna go and
Speaker 1: and where he's gonna live his life and everything that
Speaker 1: goes along with because it's a big it's a big
Speaker 1: transition in a lot of ways. But as a parents
Speaker 1: sitting there watching that and uh and going through that
Speaker 1: first draft process us, I'll be a little nail biting
Speaker 1: time when and I always said the draft, I'll be
Speaker 1: going to go this. I'll go to the draft this
Speaker 1: year in Nashville. I've been twice before, and I got
Speaker 1: to tell you that the the electricity in that building
Speaker 1: before they make that first pick. It's crazy and you
Speaker 1: get about twelve or thirt and you kind of air
Speaker 1: kind of goes out of the balloon becomes a bit
Speaker 1: at the very beginning. I mean, it's a it's an
Speaker 1: electric atmosphere in there. It's crazy and and you know, so,
Speaker 1: so we're getting ready in the hotel and we have
Speaker 1: to head over and you know, Joe's piste off about
Speaker 1: his tie and he's got you know, he's got his watch,
Speaker 1: and and it's I can see the things hanging with
Speaker 1: him this whole time, or no, yeah, yeah, they'll they'll
Speaker 1: both be there. So but it was, you know, and
Speaker 1: I was like on on walking on eggshells, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to piss him off. He had enough, so
Speaker 1: I'm like trying to help him straighten his his suit
Speaker 1: out and everything's really good, and we he walks the
Speaker 1: red carpet with his mom, and then we get into
Speaker 1: the green room and it kind of it felt a
Speaker 1: little more comfortable then because I was really I was.
Speaker 1: I was just nervous, and then I kind of sat
Speaker 1: there and now we're surrounded by people Coach Johnson and
Speaker 1: Urbans there and his agents and it's you know. And
Speaker 1: now we're nick and we're a little more comfortable around
Speaker 1: the table and it um. But then he's got his
Speaker 1: phone turned upside down on the table and I'm like, Joe,
Speaker 1: you might want to flip your phone so you can
Speaker 1: see to know, please can you watch your phone? They're
Speaker 1: not calling me. UM. So yeah, it's it's but but
Speaker 1: that moment um, it's just just the coolest thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it and this is gonna be the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's im I was just so excited. It's just and
Speaker 1: it was it was you know, it was just joy
Speaker 1: just you know him, you know, I know it's the
Speaker 1: start of a long journey. But what a cool moment,
Speaker 1: what a great way to start. So for Dad, now
Speaker 1: for going around this time having that experience, are you
Speaker 1: just as nervous or are you a little bit more
Speaker 1: at east because you know how that process is going
Speaker 1: to play out. I'm actually just as nervous, just as okay,
Speaker 1: and because now I understand that there's really you know,
Speaker 1: you can mock draft all you want, you know, I
Speaker 1: was doing this this interview with s I and they said,
Speaker 1: so how much pay do you pay attention to mock
Speaker 1: drafts like zero, because if you look at the mock
Speaker 1: drafts for Joe, he was maybe going five or Jacksonville
Speaker 1: six to Tampa, you know, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the charges stuff. So you know, so it actually makes
Speaker 1: me a little more nervous because there's all these scenarios. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, he could maybe be one who knows what
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are doing, who knows what the forty Niners
Speaker 1: are thinking. The Raiders seem to, you know, really love him,
Speaker 1: so you just never know. I and I know out
Speaker 1: of all those teams, there's really no it's it's all
Speaker 1: awesome opportunity. It's really cool. There's no there's no there's
Speaker 1: no losing. No, there's no way in this situation, right,
Speaker 1: So it's a win win, and it's just but I
Speaker 1: actually probably am a little more nervous because because I
Speaker 1: know how kind of all until that first Yeah, those
Speaker 1: first few picks are well, it's funny because you watched
Speaker 1: the draft and like you said, all the mock drafts
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it picked two or three,
Speaker 1: someone out of the blue gets picked. It wasn't expect
Speaker 1: and then the whole thing is shot. The whole thing
Speaker 1: now it's and now it's a reshuffle because those top
Speaker 1: few picks really kind of layout the table. And this year,
Speaker 1: this year is one of those years where everyone thinks that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's really no clear cut number one guy
Speaker 1: you could go. It could go quarterback, that could go Nick,
Speaker 1: they could there's a you know, could go the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle from out. You know, there's a there's a there's
Speaker 1: a number of guys that could be there, and that
Speaker 1: would completely change the order right after that, right after
Speaker 1: the first pick. So, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's crazier to night. Yeah, so I'll be just I'll
Speaker 1: probably be a little that's a bad question. But what
Speaker 1: what a what a great night is? It's it's good stuff. Though, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about this. I I know, um It's
Speaker 1: it's funny because you know, I know your kids, I
Speaker 1: know what they're I kind of know what they're about.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've haven't been around him a ton,
Speaker 1: but I've been around enough to kind of know the
Speaker 1: type of people they are. And and and I know,
Speaker 1: um Nick had send something out in social media about
Speaker 1: San Francisco and that turned into a little bit of
Speaker 1: a firestorm there. The whole social media thing through throughout
Speaker 1: all this more probably more so with Nick because it's
Speaker 1: become more more prevalent now. I think then when Joey
Speaker 1: came out, but it was certainly was there. Then how
Speaker 1: how is that whole social media stuff UH been to
Speaker 1: deal with in room? Because there's there's ship flying everywhere,
Speaker 1: and it's ship it's against the wall and you know,
Speaker 1: sliding off and everything, but it's out there. Well, it's
Speaker 1: It's interesting because my twenty three year old son, Joey
Speaker 1: has in the last few months, has given me some
Speaker 1: some amazing advice. So I'm learning from my son uncertain things.
Speaker 1: And and it's funny because Joey is he's maturing. You know,
Speaker 1: he's always been really mature as far as a football
Speaker 1: player and taking care of business. But he was always
Speaker 1: kind of you know a little bit of a goof
Speaker 1: and and a little what I thought was a sort
Speaker 1: of immature for you know, because sometimes football, you know,
Speaker 1: it stunts. You have to be so mature on the field,
Speaker 1: but it kind of stunts, you know, writing a check
Speaker 1: or doing like normal stuff, you know sometimes. But he's
Speaker 1: given me a lot, you know, and and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't know much about social media. Um,
Speaker 1: but I read some stuff and I get piste off,
Speaker 1: you know, and and Joe is like dead, there's no winning.
Speaker 1: There's no no winning in social media. So just stay
Speaker 1: off it, don't read it, you know. And and you
Speaker 1: know it's hor It's easier said than done because I
Speaker 1: you know, and he goes, even if you like something,
Speaker 1: you press that like, but that's out there now. People
Speaker 1: know you liked that. And I don't understand, you know,
Speaker 1: he goes, so Dad, you just stay on. It's may
Speaker 1: make me because I got a phone call from you
Speaker 1: a while back, a couple of months ago or something.
Speaker 1: And uh and he goes, damn, which with this dam
Speaker 1: Joe Rose. Joe Rose said this. I said, John, John,
Speaker 1: let it go. Let it go. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: radio show, it's entertainment. Don't let it. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm trying to walk to talk you off the ledge,
Speaker 1: you know, don't jump, man, don't Joe does that to
Speaker 1: us on the way, no doubt about it. I get.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, Joe, he's bullshit. That's done out.
Speaker 1: And I get all fired up. And there was you know,
Speaker 1: there were certain certain things that I took. And obviously
Speaker 1: we went through some tough stuff with its injury and
Speaker 1: and things and and so that's been covered at nauseam
Speaker 1: now with with the other the other side of the
Speaker 1: story and how difficult it was and how he was
Speaker 1: in a quitter and all this bs. But yeah, as
Speaker 1: a dad sometimes, like you know, I still have a
Speaker 1: little bit of fighting me once in a while, and
Speaker 1: I just got to sit back and and it's really
Speaker 1: it's funny because Joe's like that, you know, it doesn't matter. Don't.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to that, don't. And he's he's really he's
Speaker 1: very good now, he's he's done so much work with
Speaker 1: the media so much, so you really very savvy. And
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty savvy with it, but I but I
Speaker 1: let my heart get you know, well, and you're doing
Speaker 1: it twofold. You know, you're you're looking at one and
Speaker 1: looking at the other, you know, and you're you're divided
Speaker 1: in terms of how much attention do I want to
Speaker 1: put into this number one and take the kid's advice
Speaker 1: to go that the best is just to leave it alone.
Speaker 1: That would be the time you want to turn your
Speaker 1: phone on the other side, and so I've I've tried
Speaker 1: to learn from Joe. But he's funny and you know,
Speaker 1: there's it's really thank god when we were playing we didn't, right,
Speaker 1: just cell phone just camera phones, cell phones. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank god we're we were undercover. We got zero dark whatever,
Speaker 1: we had, no one knew what was going on. Better
Speaker 1: off that I wouldn't be sitting here right now, but
Speaker 1: we still might all be together, but we might be
Speaker 1: held together a different spot. Why do you do that?
Speaker 1: So you have the two boys go through Ohio State? Um,
Speaker 1: how many games did you How many games did you
Speaker 1: miss her? There's not many, not many. I missed a
Speaker 1: few of the home games because what I would do
Speaker 1: is a lot of times Cheryl would hit the home games. Um,
Speaker 1: and if I was, if I was, you know, because
Speaker 1: when you play on Sundays. So so I kind of
Speaker 1: maybe trying to look at the schedule and catch away
Speaker 1: games for Nick and then the kids Joe. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's funny because that's evolved too. And I know I'll
Speaker 1: but Joe actually likes, you know, the away games to
Speaker 1: see Joe. I see him for five minutes, yeah, and
Speaker 1: waved to him. You know, they don't let you through
Speaker 1: the game. So so again another nugget from Joe. He goes, Dad,
Speaker 1: why don't you fly out of California hanging out my
Speaker 1: house a few days before the game, even if I'm
Speaker 1: away or if a home come foam away, come back?
Speaker 1: He goes, he stay at the house. When I get back,
Speaker 1: I cook him dinner. We hang out. The next day
Speaker 1: he has off, or he goes and does his stretching,
Speaker 1: and I hang out for a few because that's better
Speaker 1: than you fly into these games. So I've actually started
Speaker 1: doing that with Joe, where I just hang out and
Speaker 1: then we have you know, we have a great three
Speaker 1: or four days around around a game. And He's like,
Speaker 1: don't bother because half the time I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 1: tempted to fight my way out of these stadiums, and
Speaker 1: I really don't want to do because man, I don't
Speaker 1: wear much, you know, like I'll wear maybe a church
Speaker 1: or shirt or just a little logo. I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have a jersey. But sure enough, you know
Speaker 1: I must have to fight my way out of New England.
Speaker 1: And you would think I had a little pull there,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, and I'm like, you know, you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so yeah, Joe said, why don't you home games
Speaker 1: are better environs. So yeah, it's it's you know, it was.
Speaker 1: It was fun. But Columbus, you know, I mean their
Speaker 1: spring game hadople she had like six six thousand. You know,
Speaker 1: it's I'm like, it's pretty cool. Columbus, Sanjosey State. We
Speaker 1: have three hundred different levels all across the board. You know.
Speaker 1: Uh that uh, that experience at Ohio State. I you know,
Speaker 1: from a from a Saturday standpoint, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I love I love the NFL. But but in
Speaker 1: my heart, I'm really a big college football fan. I
Speaker 1: like the pageantry, like the bands, like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So so to be able to go to six years
Speaker 1: worth of games, they're uh, just from an enjoyment standpoint,
Speaker 1: like there is you get the whole, You get the
Speaker 1: whole shebang there, you know, you get him after after
Speaker 1: the games, the whole thing. Yeah. And what was nice
Speaker 1: is we we developed a lot of really close friends
Speaker 1: and and so the pregame routine it was the same
Speaker 1: tailgate they do the walk where they come out of
Speaker 1: the hotel and we're all there, and I always got
Speaker 1: my hug. You know, I when walking down the stairs,
Speaker 1: so that was important. Get my hug, said high to
Speaker 1: the coaches. Then they did, they walked and we so
Speaker 1: we really had kind of a it was a well
Speaker 1: oiled machine, you know. And then uh, and then for
Speaker 1: the home games, it was just we're where the kids
Speaker 1: want to eat that night or or you know, So
Speaker 1: it was really it was a unique experience of something
Speaker 1: I hadn't I hadn't really experienced in college. That that is,
Speaker 1: you know, Columbus is just amazing. So so Nick Nick
Speaker 1: with the draft coming up here, Um has the abdominal
Speaker 1: situation is last year at the and and and and
Speaker 1: and I read an article recently about him talking about
Speaker 1: we kind of got the other side of it. You know,
Speaker 1: it was a lot worse than people thought it was.
Speaker 1: And I really couldn't have played or shouldn't have played
Speaker 1: in that situation when and he got in and every
Speaker 1: everybody with a mouth in front of him was oh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the whole thing. But that had to
Speaker 1: be tough for you and for him because you know,
Speaker 1: not to have an injury a certainly of that magnitude
Speaker 1: for him at that level. Um, look, I'm the same
Speaker 1: as you. I blew my knee out my first my
Speaker 1: first game I ever played for the Miami Dolphins. And
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there in the hospital room
Speaker 1: by myself, going ship. I don't know if my career
Speaker 1: is over. I'm going under the knife tomorrow. I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is the last time I'll ever played football.
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a tough it's a it's a
Speaker 1: dark place to be well in the article and then
Speaker 1: you know it for Nick, it was the worst time
Speaker 1: of his life. And and and really for me, the
Speaker 1: heartbreak was so I sat in after spring ball, um
Speaker 1: and I and I sat with coach j and he
Speaker 1: showed me tape from Nick against USC. He's the last,
Speaker 1: the last the bowl game and then through spring and
Speaker 1: then through camp, and I mean he was a totally
Speaker 1: different football player. I mean, and he he had two
Speaker 1: sacks and a bunch of tackles against USC, and and
Speaker 1: what he had done in that work in the spring
Speaker 1: and then through the preseason, I mean he was poised
Speaker 1: to just he had a chance of sitting in New York.
Speaker 1: I really believe it, you know, for for for the heisman,
Speaker 1: I mean, he was on and he just was unblockable. Um.
Speaker 1: But I knew he kind of had a little tightness
Speaker 1: and you know, we we we didn't think about it.
Speaker 1: He said, you're gonna have to work through that and
Speaker 1: do your stretching and all of that. Um. But so
Speaker 1: the heartbreak for me was that all of that work
Speaker 1: and all of that preparation. Yeah, I mean, he was
Speaker 1: just he was the next level crazy crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: Coach j was so excited. And then you know, for
Speaker 1: the first quarter he gets a strip sack of TCU
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. And then third quarter I'm watching him
Speaker 1: laying on a turf, UM and it was just it
Speaker 1: was horrible, like beyond bad um. And then of course
Speaker 1: what the whole you know, the decision took about ten days,
Speaker 1: you know, and I reached out right away again you know,
Speaker 1: my my, my promise to them in good and bad. Right.
Speaker 1: So I've got to get the best surgeon and this
Speaker 1: you know Dr Myers, who actually text me this morning,
Speaker 1: um in Philly. That's all he does his core muscle injuries.
Speaker 1: He's the best in the world. He was speaking in Australia.
Speaker 1: You know, when I when I text him and he
Speaker 1: calls me back, I mean, the guy is unbelievable, but
Speaker 1: that's all he does. So we knew right away, and
Speaker 1: I talked to c A and all the people that
Speaker 1: that's where we needed to be. So we go to
Speaker 1: Philly and and and he has the surgery and you know,
Speaker 1: for the next week week and half in in the
Speaker 1: rehab after he'd gone back to Columbus. It was a
Speaker 1: total distraction. So he's at practice in the corner, you know,
Speaker 1: doing just doing barely, and the whole team is practicing,
Speaker 1: and all the presses is huddling around. Nick, what do
Speaker 1: you think it was a nightmare. Not to mention he's
Speaker 1: standing around at practice all day, which is kind of
Speaker 1: required as you know, in college, which is not good
Speaker 1: for him. And all of this, and so all the
Speaker 1: between the pressure of the of the press and all
Speaker 1: the people and and and the total distract. And so
Speaker 1: I went back to see Dr Myers and I said,
Speaker 1: we really need to talk about time frames and things
Speaker 1: and hows. So his progression was coming along great, but
Speaker 1: Dr Myers just said, Johnny's he's not gonna play this year.
Speaker 1: Even if you force him and we push it, his
Speaker 1: his core won't won't re injure but something else will
Speaker 1: give because he just won't be ready. And and even
Speaker 1: when we looked at the calendar, you know, Bowl game,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he'd he'd be playing at six. And Nick
Speaker 1: can't go sixty five or seventy percent. He's going to
Speaker 1: come off the edge like a madman. So the decision
Speaker 1: was made and and Dr Meyers said, you have to
Speaker 1: pull him. He's not gonna happen. And I thanked him
Speaker 1: so much because I didn't want to do it, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want my sons. My son's college career is
Speaker 1: gonna end like that. It was. It was just a nightmare.
Speaker 1: And with his mentality, you know, once he's going to
Speaker 1: get the green light to say, well you you can go,
Speaker 1: but take it easy there, take it nobody know. And
Speaker 1: and so then we talked and I said, Nick, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, this is your call, but you know, as
Speaker 1: your dad, man, I think we need to leave. Dr
Speaker 1: Meyers said he has a clinic that he works with
Speaker 1: five minutes from Joe's house. Trainer, his his his chef
Speaker 1: and and just you gotta go, you know. And I
Speaker 1: let him. I let him come to that conclusion. And
Speaker 1: it was, you know, he met with I went up
Speaker 1: to see the coaches. I sat down with with with
Speaker 1: Urban and coach Jay because I wasn't gonna do that
Speaker 1: over the phone. But Nick Nick had the support of
Speaker 1: all his teammates, you know, I mean, they totally understood.
Speaker 1: He sat there and cried with Coach j in the office.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, it was. It was a
Speaker 1: horrible thing, but it is what it is. Unfortunately, we've
Speaker 1: both been through that situation. And you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: for people outside of football. You know, you you get
Speaker 1: injured and and and you're hurt, and you're and you're rehabbing.
Speaker 1: You're still part of the team, but you're not part
Speaker 1: of the team. You're you're that guy, You're you're you
Speaker 1: know there they got they got I gotta prepare that
Speaker 1: we got Alabama this week, or we got you know whoever,
Speaker 1: we got Ohio State, whatever it is. They're getting ready
Speaker 1: for that. They can't spend time with you. So it's
Speaker 1: the most it's one of the most lonely places to
Speaker 1: be if you're if you're if you're a football player, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and I lived through it, and you know that, um,
Speaker 1: you know, they're prepping for next week's game. There and
Speaker 1: and you're just you're totally forgotten, and it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, being sitting in that training room. Uh,
Speaker 1: when the guys that were going up for practice, it's
Speaker 1: it's horrible, it's horrible. And so for Nick, it was
Speaker 1: just it was the right thing to do to get
Speaker 1: him out and get him you know, concentrating on on
Speaker 1: the on the combine, which sadly that was the next
Speaker 1: that was the next event. So so once this draft
Speaker 1: is over, John, you're gonna have had the third pick
Speaker 1: in the draft and probably the first or second pick
Speaker 1: in the draft. And we were talking about it the
Speaker 1: other day, said, man, what other family is and really
Speaker 1: the only other families the Mannings, who Elian and Peyton
Speaker 1: both first you know, first picked in the draft. Um,
Speaker 1: but you're the first family of the first family, right
Speaker 1: with a second with with a possible first or second picking,
Speaker 1: a third pick. Um, that's that's pretty that's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: That it's pretty amazing. And it's funny because I watched
Speaker 1: that there's a wonderful thirty for thirty I think in
Speaker 1: the book of Manning, and what a wonderful family and
Speaker 1: just the cool and that was just so cool to
Speaker 1: watch and and um, you know, I mean sometimes I
Speaker 1: honestly I don't. I can't even believe it, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's our life and our sons and my
Speaker 1: sons are you know, are living it and they're doing it.
Speaker 1: But I never really sometimes I don't sit back and say,
Speaker 1: Holy kind you know. It's like, you're so blessed when
Speaker 1: you have one son who makes reaches that level and
Speaker 1: and and reaches their dream, you know, and both these
Speaker 1: boys have been dreaming about this and that's been their goal.
Speaker 1: And to see your sons, both of them, achieve what
Speaker 1: they dream aimed of and this, you know, sometimes I
Speaker 1: talk to him because I don't think they even I said,
Speaker 1: do you understand how many football players there are out there?
Speaker 1: There are out there? How many how many kids go
Speaker 1: to the combine? How many kids are are, you know,
Speaker 1: praying to get drafted seniors or juniors coming out of them.
Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable that Nick, you know, Joe was third
Speaker 1: in the world and Nick's gonna be right there. It's
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool, yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty special. It's special to watch them grow up.
Speaker 1: And watch them play at such a young age and
Speaker 1: then watch them through college and now to have that
Speaker 1: that dream that they've had since they were kids. And
Speaker 1: it's just a credit to both of those guys, how
Speaker 1: how they've been able to work at it, how they've
Speaker 1: been able to to just do the things that discipline
Speaker 1: it takes to get him in that in the luck
Speaker 1: to get in that situation. John obviously, obviously these two
Speaker 1: boys are ultra competitive, ultra competitive everything they do. So
Speaker 1: the stones are gonna be the stones are gonna be
Speaker 1: broken if if if Nick goes number to and and uh,
Speaker 1: Joey's number three or Nick's number one and Joyce, there's
Speaker 1: gotta be some gotta be a little bit of a
Speaker 1: little ball breaking in that, and that I'm sure they
Speaker 1: will be. But but to be honest with the one
Speaker 1: thing I'm really proud of Joe is Joe is really
Speaker 1: he he wants him to be number one. Joe's Nick's
Speaker 1: biggest fan of Nick's Joey's big yeah. And that wasn't always,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the real change in them was
Speaker 1: when Joe was a senior, Nick was a freshman at
Speaker 1: the same time as they played together. Because before that
Speaker 1: Joe was just torturing Nick and they you know, they
Speaker 1: were just I mean, they were typical brothers. They definitely
Speaker 1: you know the ping pong games and in a in
Speaker 1: a broken paddle to all the pool table that it's
Speaker 1: everything I tackle from behind. I mean, you know, everything
Speaker 1: we go bowling and the end up in a problem
Speaker 1: uh slot car racing with their own cale. They would
Speaker 1: be a broken It was just painful, and it was
Speaker 1: just constant. And I was trying to hate you know
Speaker 1: you guys, let's have some fun here, but it just
Speaker 1: it was constant. But then that evolution of really Joey
Speaker 1: being being the helpful big brother. So I think I
Speaker 1: think when Nick goes, um, if it's in that range,
Speaker 1: I think Joe is gonna just be thrilled. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Before we let you go, I gotta, I gotta. We're
Speaker 1: talking about this a little bit off the year. Um,
Speaker 1: so you retired. Now your son's making a lot of
Speaker 1: money another time. That's why your life is now. That's
Speaker 1: my pet, Peeve. I parked next to the Lamborghini. I no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll get to that. So no, that that is my pet, Peeve.
Speaker 1: You know I've always uh I've been fortunate in my life,
Speaker 1: you know, to to be able to to to provide
Speaker 1: for my sons, and you know, and um and but
Speaker 1: my son's money is my son's money. And I have
Speaker 1: promised for them to surround him with wonderful financial advisors,
Speaker 1: eight agents and and just good people to surround him.
Speaker 1: Uh and so I can just be dead. And that's
Speaker 1: really that's really cool, said John John. John John doesn't change.
Speaker 1: I see John. I saw him in the street, is
Speaker 1: in Fort Lauder. It comes around the corner. Hounk my
Speaker 1: horn at him and John John. John's driving like a
Speaker 1: let me see son sevent John's driving around like an
Speaker 1: eighty three, um eighty three Mercedes. Ben, I said, John,
Speaker 1: I said, you're still driving the same car you got
Speaker 1: with your signing bonus at Boston College. Man, how don't
Speaker 1: you get a new damn car, you know, upgrade, upgrade
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, so he's not out there
Speaker 1: driving a Lamborghini about that old piece of ship driving
Speaker 1: around for Lauder. Look at that old great, all great Mercedes.
Speaker 1: That's probably bowls a right over there right around. You know,
Speaker 1: something's never changed. Rights every beans, it's always good, I always,
Speaker 1: you know, I've said this. I've said this to A. J.
Speaker 1: Dewey and you and bom Hower. I wasn't I wasn't
Speaker 1: drafted early enough because I think I would have fit
Speaker 1: in with you, I think, and then the crew because
Speaker 1: that would have been a lot of fun. You've probably
Speaker 1: been a wreck by now. Hey, hey, John, it's it's
Speaker 1: been playing. It's been a pleasure having you in here.
Speaker 1: And I know it's a it's such a been a
Speaker 1: great experience for you. And and you know what, I
Speaker 1: your boys have done what they've done, but you know,
Speaker 1: they've got to be so so happy and so appreciative
Speaker 1: of the way you've brought them up and the way
Speaker 1: you've provided for them, the way you provide advice for him.
Speaker 1: But then let them be their own guys, let them
Speaker 1: do their own thing. There there's very few parents, uh,
Speaker 1: that I've ever run across that that, I mean, even
Speaker 1: at the lower levels, that that just can't keep their
Speaker 1: hands off and let the let let them do what
Speaker 1: they do, and and and and let them find their
Speaker 1: own course. And for you to be able to do
Speaker 1: that and and and have two boys come out forget
Speaker 1: their football, forget what they do in the field. You
Speaker 1: know their gentlemen. Uh, they're high class. They do the
Speaker 1: right thing. You don't hear them getting in trouble. You
Speaker 1: don't hear all those things. And and so I applaud
Speaker 1: you for that. And I'm I'm proud for you. I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you for that. And I'm certainly proud of
Speaker 1: of of of knowing your sons and and uh and
Speaker 1: watching what they've done and look forward to watching their
Speaker 1: their careers as they as they go on. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. Well, I appreciate I enjoyed
Speaker 1: being here with you guys, and and I do appreciate
Speaker 1: those kind words. It's the most important thing to me
Speaker 1: my whole life. When I had those boys, it was
Speaker 1: it was a focus of being a good dad. Um,
Speaker 1: and you know, pride. It's just amazing and obviously we've
Speaker 1: been blessed. But thank you for that, and thanks for
Speaker 1: having me. This has been a lot of fun. Dolphin fans,
Speaker 1: you can it's all that. It's an extension of the
Speaker 1: FA enjoyed Thursday night and congratulations, Yeah, John was nice.
Speaker 1: Nice to have John Bows in here. And what a
Speaker 1: what a special especial date. Draft night is going to
Speaker 1: be for that family and for the future of those kids.
Speaker 1: But it was inter seen hearing his story. We're hearing
Speaker 1: his side, how he goes about how he went about
Speaker 1: it with his kids, raising his kids and just being
Speaker 1: a dad and trying to be the best father he
Speaker 1: could be, and and yet staying out of the way
Speaker 1: once they got to an age where they're gonna make
Speaker 1: their own decision, just you know, kind of set the
Speaker 1: table for him and then let them go off and decide,
Speaker 1: you know, what their future is gonna be. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then just uh, but just I think it's amazing. And
Speaker 1: to me, you know, the tie in with the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and John being a first round pick, you know, so
Speaker 1: you think about the two kids, and John was the
Speaker 1: first round pick himself, you know, so that it really
Speaker 1: is a pretty pretty amazing story. And uh and and
Speaker 1: I think Dolphin fans would would like the story. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think football fans would would like that
Speaker 1: story of the first family of Defense. Yeah, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. Hey, Hey, speaking to the draft, you know
Speaker 1: the Dolphins thirteen in this draft, John, you think that
Speaker 1: you think this is a draft for the Dolphins where
Speaker 1: you stand pad a thirteen and get the best guy
Speaker 1: you can, you move up, you move down. I mean
Speaker 1: those all those areas. And as we talked to John
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, you know, that first or second
Speaker 1: pick in the draft could redefine the whole draft, yeah,
Speaker 1: or the franchise. But you know, someone someone other than
Speaker 1: than Kyler Murray or Boza gets picked in the first
Speaker 1: with the person and all of a sudden, all these
Speaker 1: mock drafts are just you know, and everybody had a
Speaker 1: mock draft over the last couple of months, you know,
Speaker 1: leading up to this. But you're right, if Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: or Nick Bosa don't go one too or only one
Speaker 1: of them do um For for me, that means Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray isn't gonna get picked number one. That that actually
Speaker 1: Nick or quinnin Williams, somebody like that goes to Arizona.
Speaker 1: That really throws the draft board out of whack and
Speaker 1: brings the Miami Dolphins back into the equation of if
Speaker 1: they stand pat or even have to move up a
Speaker 1: few spots, do they select a quarterback in this year's draft.
Speaker 1: Everybody has the Dolphins take quarterbacks, but maybe not in
Speaker 1: the first round this year, and potentially getting a couple
Speaker 1: maybe one in the second or third, maybe an undrafted
Speaker 1: free agent at quarterback. But it really they're saying two
Speaker 1: thousand tens of the year for the Dolphins in terms
Speaker 1: of quarterback. I don't know. It all depends scenarios out there,
Speaker 1: you know. And look, I'm gonna say this, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's a lot of information going out before
Speaker 1: every draft. This draft is no different. You know that
Speaker 1: information is probably misinformation. You know, teams throwing curveballs and
Speaker 1: gis we really like this guy or Jesus, guy's got
Speaker 1: some issues. We're not, you know, and so you're kind
Speaker 1: of you're kind of trying to play the play, to
Speaker 1: play the poker game a little bit, you know, let
Speaker 1: me get this guy, let me get this guy. Thinking
Speaker 1: I'm buffing and not with it. But but there was
Speaker 1: a story that came out that the Jets may be
Speaker 1: interested in moving and getting out of number three and
Speaker 1: putting out there, and all of a sudden, I go,
Speaker 1: that's it's interesting. If you better in love with Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray and he doesn't go to Arizona, then you're then
Speaker 1: you gotta be in that game. You gotta be in
Speaker 1: that game just to get rid of your draft choices,
Speaker 1: move around, be flexible, and that your guy. I still
Speaker 1: think the Dolphins have so many needs. If it kind
Speaker 1: of holds pat that Murray goes number one to Arizona,
Speaker 1: that Boza, Allen Williams, whatever that combination go the next
Speaker 1: couple of picks, and then the Giants do select the
Speaker 1: quarterback and say it's Dwayne Haskins, I think the Dolphins
Speaker 1: are staying, gonna stay pat or try to go out
Speaker 1: exactly if that kind of that scenario holds true on
Speaker 1: Thursday night, I think the Dolphins we either stay at
Speaker 1: their team and take a defensive and a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, you know that, whether he plays tackle
Speaker 1: now moved to guard. However that scenario plays out, I
Speaker 1: still think they're gonna get a great pick and a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna play right away at it. And then
Speaker 1: you know, one thing we talk. You talk about the
Speaker 1: needs for this team, and to me, the needs to
Speaker 1: me are clearly clearly to find in my mind, quarterback
Speaker 1: to me is gonna be number one until we get
Speaker 1: that guys, whether it's this year, next year, the year after,
Speaker 1: Until the Dolphins get that guy, quarterback is going to
Speaker 1: be priority one in my mind after that edge rusher,
Speaker 1: offensive line, defensive tackle, cornerback. Those those to me are
Speaker 1: the kind of the priority of what I see kneeding
Speaker 1: in the draft. Now, if if Kyler Murray goes number one,
Speaker 1: you don't move up, and you're and you're sitting there
Speaker 1: at thirteen, And based on what everything I've heard and
Speaker 1: read about this draft, and Chris Greer talked about it
Speaker 1: last week in his press conference, he said, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a there's probably about five or six guys that
Speaker 1: are edge rushers that are all first round quality guys,
Speaker 1: which leads you to say, okay, you get to you
Speaker 1: get to number ten, and there's been one of those
Speaker 1: guys or two of those guys go off the board,
Speaker 1: and you've got three other guys back there. He said, wait,
Speaker 1: you know, let's move down at a couple of dollars.
Speaker 1: You can still get one of him and grab a
Speaker 1: couple more draft picks or draft picks down the road. Here.
Speaker 1: Um that that certainly is a scenario that that that
Speaker 1: would be something that you would you would think the
Speaker 1: dollars they would certainly would be going through all the
Speaker 1: history onics, all the exercises of what that means and
Speaker 1: where it is. But certainly I think the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: gonna be one of those teams are gonna saying, look
Speaker 1: at a lot of things, and things are gonna change,
Speaker 1: as as the draft PickStar rolling down as they do
Speaker 1: every year. And I do think bo that the consideration
Speaker 1: at thirteen when you hold pat and and to go
Speaker 1: to your scenario, say there's three other guys that are
Speaker 1: that are edge rushers, slash defensive tackles that have that
Speaker 1: can wear multiple hats. The guys that you can move
Speaker 1: from a three technique you can stand him up, you
Speaker 1: can he's versatile. I think if the versatile guy that
Speaker 1: the Dolphins want that's on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: whether it's a tackle and combination of that line outside
Speaker 1: linebacker guy, if he's there, I think that's when the
Speaker 1: Dolphins stand Pat because the defensive scheme that you're gonna
Speaker 1: try to implement this year. And I look, when you
Speaker 1: think when you look at Brian Flores and then he's
Speaker 1: certainly gonna have input into this. Chris Greer is gonna
Speaker 1: have the final saying in who they pick. But I
Speaker 1: think the relationship between those two is so tight that
Speaker 1: that they're they're almost you know, one in one a
Speaker 1: right I have to be and I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: be in in you know, in you know, in unison
Speaker 1: as to what they do. But if you got that
Speaker 1: guy and and looking at where Brian Flores has come from,
Speaker 1: that that organization and what they've done defensively, where you've
Speaker 1: got that guy that can do go back to Rob
Speaker 1: Nickovic who we had when he went up there. He
Speaker 1: could play linebacker, he could cover, he could put them
Speaker 1: down three points. So that those those guys like like
Speaker 1: you said, those guys that can do multiple things. I
Speaker 1: can move this guy in his a tackle if I
Speaker 1: need to, I can put him as the ed rushing
Speaker 1: defensive and with his hand in the ground, I could
Speaker 1: stand him up if they If that guy's there, I
Speaker 1: agree with you, then that's the guy, you know in
Speaker 1: quarterbacks out of the picture. Then then that guy, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't you stay at that want and even if
Speaker 1: you have to go get him, if you think that
Speaker 1: he's that specially you have to go to ten. You
Speaker 1: have to, you know, wherever it is to get him.
Speaker 1: Because I think there are a couple of guys on
Speaker 1: the defensive side. You know that ed Oliver's name is starting.
Speaker 1: It's been creeping up over the last uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: three or four weeks. Uh. He played nose tackle. He
Speaker 1: played a three technique defensive end. Uh, defensive tackle. He
Speaker 1: moved outside and you can stand him up and rush.
Speaker 1: He can actually drop, you know, at to eighty He's
Speaker 1: that flexible. So you've you've got guys like that in
Speaker 1: this draft. And the bad part is too, you know,
Speaker 1: we need a quarterback. The Dolphins have been yearning. You know,
Speaker 1: now that you know, you move on and you you
Speaker 1: look at that position, are you are do the Dolphins
Speaker 1: have enough to move up? Or do they have that
Speaker 1: can get up to where you need to be? And
Speaker 1: is that guy that is good enough that you feel
Speaker 1: like that's your franchise quarterback? And and like we said earlier,
Speaker 1: like whether it's the Jets at three, whether it's Oakland
Speaker 1: at four, who where wherever it is there are where
Speaker 1: someone maybe wants to drop down and and there's that
Speaker 1: guy that you understand this For the Dolphins to do that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give away a good portion of
Speaker 1: this of the rest of this draft could be a
Speaker 1: little bit next year. Right now, you got you got
Speaker 1: the thirteenth pick in the draft. Uh, you've got the
Speaker 1: forty eighth overall picks seventy eight one six one uh
Speaker 1: to thirty three, UH to thirty four. So you've got one, two,
Speaker 1: three or four. You've got seven draft picks right now.
Speaker 1: You know you may end up with three if you,
Speaker 1: if you, if Kyle and you're sitting there in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: Let's say, let's say let's say Arizona takes Joey Boza
Speaker 1: or Nick Boza and and and um in San Francisco
Speaker 1: takes Jonah Williams offensive tackle or Quinn whoever those one
Speaker 1: of those guys, and all of a sudden, now you're
Speaker 1: sitting going on Kyler Murray sitting there at number three.
Speaker 1: Jets have shown that they want to move out of this.
Speaker 1: They've got their quarterback of the future. You know, do
Speaker 1: we pull the trigger and and what the Jets want
Speaker 1: to do that within the division, which is another because
Speaker 1: the Raiders three picks, three number one picks in the
Speaker 1: first round. At sitting at four, They've got a lot
Speaker 1: of our artillery, you know, and a lot of mock
Speaker 1: drafts have the Raiders picking Alabama players. They got them
Speaker 1: taking the offensive lineman and Jonah Williams they got him,
Speaker 1: you know, possibly taking Quinnon Williams the defensive tackle, and
Speaker 1: they may go back and get a running back and
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, you know, to take that the whole that
Speaker 1: you know has played at a high level. So they're
Speaker 1: not you know, they're they're set. They're gonna stay and
Speaker 1: pick the pick the guys. Let me ask you a
Speaker 1: stupid question here, Raiders are Raiders moving to Las Vegas? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think when the Raiders are evaluating talent and
Speaker 1: who they're gonna pick, they take into account where they're
Speaker 1: gonna be at and what that city. The city Well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: the I remember when the NBA teams count down they
Speaker 1: got the South Beach virus, right, Yeah, they'd come out
Speaker 1: of me. Then they won ten straight games. That comes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that. So you would you would think that,
Speaker 1: And look, I would think probably here in Miami too,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of hey, this guy was a
Speaker 1: party guy there, you're putting him this close to South Beach.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we want to create that temptation
Speaker 1: for something. Possibly, I think you have to take into
Speaker 1: consideration just about everything, you know, every minute detail when
Speaker 1: you're in the GM or you're the head coach or
Speaker 1: you're in that management position where you're trying to draft
Speaker 1: a guy, how how is he going to fit into
Speaker 1: the community, How is he gonna fit on in this organization.
Speaker 1: I just I think you have to kind of go
Speaker 1: down that list and say, was this guy, where was
Speaker 1: his trouble, where the outliers, and how does he either
Speaker 1: fit or or not fit into our organization. So there's
Speaker 1: been a ton of the ton of mop drafts. Uh,
Speaker 1: and we got a little line up year of of
Speaker 1: of kind of the frequency of of of names coming
Speaker 1: up throughout the dot pick for the Dolphins and Andre
Speaker 1: Dillard the tackle to Washington State, Uh, you know he's
Speaker 1: been named too much. We talked about Jonah Williams offensive
Speaker 1: linement from Alabama. He's been there quite a bit. At
Speaker 1: Oliver the defensive tackle from Houston, Montest Sweat. He's an
Speaker 1: interesting guy. I mean, crazy numbers, creaky athlete, what do
Speaker 1: you what do you run? Like a four four to
Speaker 1: seventy or whatever? He is, But now there, but now
Speaker 1: that we're now it's come out. He's got a little
Speaker 1: heart condition and he's off some boards said, and he
Speaker 1: stepped out of the green rooms. So what's she going on?
Speaker 1: What's that all about? Fall? You know? Where where does
Speaker 1: he plummet? Or is or is you know, somebody's still
Speaker 1: an organization still willing to take a chance on it,
Speaker 1: willing to take a chance and feel like, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's not as big a problem as some some from
Speaker 1: making out to be. So I think every organization and
Speaker 1: treats that differently. And again you know that that all
Speaker 1: could be part of that misinformation. There's gonna you know,
Speaker 1: there's an initiative. There may be a team out there
Speaker 1: that just really like and say, hey, you know, go
Speaker 1: throw this out, throw this out there a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, let's muddy the waters a little bit and
Speaker 1: keep us and and look, I'm not you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not making this thing that had happened so so so
Speaker 1: mantes what he's to me one of those It's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see where he goes. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's a very very lurrymi tounsil type of a situation
Speaker 1: with him. If if you buy into it, guy, could
Speaker 1: he could plummet? Like you said, if you say no, no, No,
Speaker 1: someone's trying to pull a rug over my art. Doctors
Speaker 1: feel it's not as big a problem as others are
Speaker 1: making it out to me. And Dwayne Haskins has been
Speaker 1: a name of the Ohio State quarterback. His name has
Speaker 1: been and he's another guy that over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks he's pulled out of going to the draft.
Speaker 1: He's not going, so you wonder if you know, there's
Speaker 1: some some truth to that that maybe he's because everybody
Speaker 1: had the Giants taking him exactly, you know, everything almost
Speaker 1: is a sure thing. Yeah, helies on his last leg.
Speaker 1: They need a quarterback in the future. Uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: just don't know. His name has has been one of
Speaker 1: those that has a question mark around, even though his
Speaker 1: post Combine Pro Day workouts have been terrific throwing the football.
Speaker 1: His numbers for fourteen starts in his college career outstanding,
Speaker 1: fifty touchdowns, uh high completion percentage, a lot of yards,
Speaker 1: very productive in college. Another guy kid from Clemson, the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, Christian Wilkins, Rashaan Gary, Rashawn Gary, the defensive
Speaker 1: and out of Michigan. He's another guy that's had some
Speaker 1: some some questions about motors motor questions. Is he one
Speaker 1: of those guys that you know and and and look,
Speaker 1: we we've gone through you know, the Dion Jordan's Where
Speaker 1: you were when they drafted this kid. You're like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna really be And then he just
Speaker 1: didn't have the you know, he's kind of got it
Speaker 1: back in Seattle now, I mean he's he's he's playing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but boy, what a what to take him at number
Speaker 1: three overall and to move up to do it and
Speaker 1: then have it be you know, fall flat on your
Speaker 1: face and and so and Rashawn Garry's got those kind
Speaker 1: of questions about him. Very productive player at Michigan, did
Speaker 1: a lot of good things up there, but you know,
Speaker 1: you get you get tagged with something, and boy, it's
Speaker 1: hard to shake it. It is until you get in
Speaker 1: the league and show that you know, that was Maybe
Speaker 1: it was a bad scheme he was in, Maybe it
Speaker 1: was this you know, maybe it just didn't suit him.
Speaker 1: He was trying to do his job for the guys
Speaker 1: you know next to him. But you know, then you
Speaker 1: have a guy like Simmons from Mississippi State, who's I
Speaker 1: think ascending in this draft because everybody's talking about him
Speaker 1: is number one of the top two defensive tackles, edge rusher.
Speaker 1: You can do a little bit of everything with him.
Speaker 1: Florida State's got the Brian Burns another guy, and then
Speaker 1: the other guy that said that's kind of been floating
Speaker 1: around there is Drew Lock, the quarterback out of Missouri.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that you think is probably
Speaker 1: gonna be there right around with the Dolphins if they
Speaker 1: stay pat. And you know, you had the mock draft
Speaker 1: this weekend where uh, guys, I think it was Mel
Speaker 1: Kuyper Jr. And you know, they were switching picks on ESPN.
Speaker 1: It was a consensus that Drew Lock was coming to
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and their team. So yeah, it's so it's
Speaker 1: it's you know, those are the guys that have really
Speaker 1: been kind of in that mock world that have been
Speaker 1: they're floating around thirteen. Yeah, they're they're kind of floating
Speaker 1: around in that area. So it could be any one
Speaker 1: of those makes it exciting. You don't know which way
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are gonna go, and you don't know how
Speaker 1: that how it's gonna stack up of who's gonna be
Speaker 1: there in terms of their Dolphins go defensive line, do
Speaker 1: they go offensive line, do they take their quarterback to
Speaker 1: the future. It's it's gonna be exciting. It is. And
Speaker 1: if you're down here in South Florida on Thursday, the
Speaker 1: Dolphins always do the you know, do a great deal
Speaker 1: over the drafted Rock Stadium. It's free. I think you
Speaker 1: just gotta you gotta get to go online and and
Speaker 1: and register to get to get a reservation or whatever.
Speaker 1: And but it doesn't it doesn't cost anything. So and John,
Speaker 1: I remember sitting there with you and Sam last year
Speaker 1: and we saw the draft, the draft board change, someone change,
Speaker 1: and then all of these things started moving around and
Speaker 1: we're sitting to Gona. Oh jeez, you know they got uh,
Speaker 1: the kid from the Edmunds, the Tremaine edmund You got
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Sitting there, you're going jeez, thiss and that,
Speaker 1: and and then all of a sudden and we and
Speaker 1: you're the one, you pob You go, hey, let's not
Speaker 1: forget about making Fitzpatrick. He's still on board. He was
Speaker 1: here's projectingly the top five guy. We kind of we
Speaker 1: kind of over kind of you know, talk around here,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they picked me. A wow,
Speaker 1: because it really didn't need you know that position, but
Speaker 1: he was the best player that was available and and
Speaker 1: proved to be just valuable. Just that about it. So
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an interesting draft. The draft is always
Speaker 1: fun and it's always a it's always just showing I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be there for uh, be there for with uh
Speaker 1: with CBS covering it for uh for for for guys
Speaker 1: down here and uh so I'm looking forward to that
Speaker 1: being it's it's it's it is a fun environment to
Speaker 1: being and you know what, you anytime you go to
Speaker 1: somewhere with the NFL, that's that's of that magnitude, the
Speaker 1: draft or the combine or you know, Senior bulls what
Speaker 1: you see so many people that you know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to just seeing people that yeah, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So looking forward to but yeah, but anyway, so that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. Drafts coming up, it's right here. Next week.
Speaker 1: John will be talking about who we got talking about
Speaker 1: you know, which guy where they're gonna fit and that
Speaker 1: to me, I'm not a big I'm not a big
Speaker 1: fan of prognosticating the draft mock drafts, and because I've
Speaker 1: seen it change, let me know who we have. But wait,
Speaker 1: let me wait till we find out who we got
Speaker 1: and then find out where they fit in. And then
Speaker 1: let's get to those O, T, A s or whatever
Speaker 1: and get your first look and see, hey, this guy
Speaker 1: looks pretty good. This guy I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember guys looking where you've seen him
Speaker 1: in ten minutes ago. I don't know if this guy
Speaker 1: can play. And and you know you're hoping exactly, no
Speaker 1: doubt about that. But good time, good you know, drafts
Speaker 1: always fun and and and really we we talked ab
Speaker 1: a little bit last week in the show. It really
Speaker 1: kicks off the fact that football is right around the corner.
Speaker 1: Even when the guys hit the field. You know, you
Speaker 1: see the logo on the helmet, you feel like, wow,
Speaker 1: football is around the corner. All right. So it's been
Speaker 1: a good been a good day. I want to thank
Speaker 1: John Bows again. John was great. I mean, what a
Speaker 1: what a perspective, Uh, you know, from from that perspective
Speaker 1: of being a dad of two of the top draft
Speaker 1: picks ever in the dzing pretty amazing story and the
Speaker 1: way he's brought them up and uh to what they
Speaker 1: are is it was a good story. And uh and
Speaker 1: again of course the draft and everything that's going on
Speaker 1: here with the dolphins all tied in together for dolphin fans,
Speaker 1: so I think it was a I think it was
Speaker 1: a good day to day, awesome day being spending time
Speaker 1: with the safe travels and we'll see you when you
Speaker 1: get there. For John kN Jemmy, I'm Kim Bokamper. We'll
Speaker 1: catch you guys next week.