WEBVTT - The Audible Ep. 59 | John Bosa 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.560 All right, almost back on the year, Kimbo cambrag, John 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:10.479 kN Jemmy, and today we have special guests, and let's 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.560 John Bosa, former Miami Dolphin first round draft pick. And uh, John, 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.120 he's been Uh boy, it's been a it's been it's 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:18.919 been a great football life for you. Let's put it 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.840 that way. First of all, you come out of Boston College, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.040 a number one draft pick for the Miami Dolphins. Uh, 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.360 you have a nice career here, and then your son's 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.560 co in and I remember, I remember, I remember you'd 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:34.400 give me a call when Joey was uh Joey Boza 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:36.600 was getting ready to go to St. Thomas going to 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.440 high school. Hey, kim John Joy is gonna go to St. Thomas. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:40.800 I hope you hope he's gonna be all right, Now 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.239 go Johnny, don't worry, he'll be fine. Well, I just 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.959 hope that somebody, you know, somebody out there season gets 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.000 him a scholarship. I don't care where, just like I 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.440 need to get him a scholarship. And I think I 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.880 tried to hook you up with Larry Bluestein, who's the 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.800 dean of all high school. You call Larry. Don't worry, 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.200 everyone's gonna know everybody. And then after you saw saw 0:00:58.280 --> 0:00:59.880 Joey play one time, I got fine, you don't need 0:00:59.920 --> 0:01:05.120 that ship. It's been quite a ride for you with 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.399 with your boys, especially with the draft coming up and 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.360 UH and Nick coming out now and where he's projected. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.399 But as as a father, you've got to just be 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.920 one of one of the proudest. Look, everyone's proud of 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.160 their kids, um, but to see your kids do what 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:21.920 they've done, boy, it's just got to fill your heart 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.560 every day when you when you see him, and I 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.360 know how close you are with those two boys. Well, absolutely, 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.679 First of all, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.760 to be here. Um. Obviously, I've always just wished for 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.000 the best and happiness for my sons. Could have never dreamed. 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.160 And I and I, like you said that phone call, 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:43.000 I really you know. I never coached him. I always 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.800 knew they had some talent. But I do remember being 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.920 nervous having joe go to St. Thomas because I knew 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:53.040 the history of the school. UH awesome combination of academics 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.600 and athletics, so it was it was the perfect place 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.200 for them. But I was a little nervous because I 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.280 had seen the kind of quality years that come out 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.080 of there every year, and I just wanted, you know, 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.240 to make sure part of part of what was great 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.520 about it is great coaching, great mentoring, you know, George 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.240 Smith and the coaches were wonderful. So it was obviously 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.560 a fabulous spot form. But I was nervous, you know, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.040 I just I never I never dreamed that, you know, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.120 these guys would would achieve what they have and obviously, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.120 and I'm just blessed. You look at these guys, their 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.160 two sons, Joey and Nick and there, and they're almost identical, 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.960 you know, different personalities, different, you know, It's it's funny. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.760 I've always had this conversation with people where kids have 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.359 grown up in the same household, yet they come out, 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.080 you know, eventually they they their their paths come very different. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.320 And and they're they're very similar in what they do 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.320 from on the playing field, but personality wise, they're they're 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.359 very different. Ones a little more outgoing than the other. 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.440 This and that. But you also were a gym owner 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.200 at the time. When you got done playing football, you 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.800 had the gym, and and I keep looking going, man, 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.280 those guys just grew they grew up in that gym. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.639 Because they are. They are, they were then and they're 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.880 still now. As big a gym rats as there are 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.880 is there are in this country, absolutely, and you know, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.600 for them, their their personalities are very different. But the 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.280 one thing they both had which I never had, is 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.040 they had the drive, the inner love for the sport. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.960 And as you know, um, we all know football practice 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.680 is not a lot of fun. I mean, Friday nights, 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.320 Saturday and Sunday is easy, is a lot of fun, right, 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.000 but but you know the preparation that people don't see, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.720 the window workouts at the same time as six am, 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:33.840 you know, they were there were it was. It was 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.120 almost like a junior college atmosphere. And I never had 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.240 I never had to push them. I never had to 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.520 I woke them up, you know, I go in, hey, guys, 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.800 time to go. Boom, they're up having breakfast and we're off. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:49.520 So very different, but that that similar drive. Um. The 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.960 only thing, you know, it's funny because I never coached, 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.680 and I couldn't coach the kind of technique that they 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.040 teach now. Um, but I think the only thing that 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.400 they kind of saw in me was, you know, kind 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.000 of I was a grinder. You know, I wasn't the 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.480 most talented athlete, but I achieved when I achieved really 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.160 just just working hard and being in the gym and 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.000 trying to make the best of that. And I think, 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.680 you know, coupling their unbelievable athletic ability, but then just 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.159 having you know, having that work ethnic and drive. I 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.320 think that was the one thing that they kind of 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.000 saw in me. And and I think, but uh, but 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.039 I could you know, I credit St. Thomas and and 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.320 and the great coaches in Ohio state coach Johnson, but 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.680 those those boys were just driven and and it's a lot, 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.640 you know, it's not that much fun. So this is 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.520 this is going to be the fruition of a lot 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.800 of hard work, john other than the size. When they 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.239 were growing up and going through grade school and getting 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.560 to high school, when did you know as a dad, 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.160 they go, man, these guys got a chance that When 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.560 did that when you watched him play? Because you have 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.560 to take credit for that grinder mentality because your dad. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.960 Everybody's you know, always telling their kids, hey, you gotta 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.520 work hard for what you get. You gotta do it 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.920 the right way, so you have that ingrained in them. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.440 But athletic ability, when did when did you kind of 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.640 get that smile ear to ear going you know what, 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.120 I think these guys are gonna be have a chance 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.240 to be pretty good. Well, it was pretty early, to 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.640 be honest with you. And you know when they we 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.800 brought him out because we lived east and we brought 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.360 him out to Ppo Pemmict Park Optimists. And that's a 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.159 it's a heck of a heck of a park. Um, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.320 amazing athletes, really high quality kids and and and uh 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.520 so it was pretty early when I started to see, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.960 you know, Nick was dominating. The guy was unbelievable. Um, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.560 Joey was playing They were kind of you know, he 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.160 was playing a lot of positions. He was playing quarterback 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.480 and punting and playing safety and they kind of didn't 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.039 they didn't. He kind of bounced around a little bit. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.679 So with him, I could see the athletic ability and everything. 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.200 Everything they did. You know, they hit a golf ball 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.920 or played tennis. I mean, they could do it all. Um, 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.200 But pretty early I knew they you know, they had 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:59.680 some they had some some some like weird technique that 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.200 mostly kids don't have and kind of that feel for 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.960 where the ball was going. Um, so it was pretty 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.040 early I never really, you know, I said, Okay, they 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.119 have a chance of being good players. I wasn't sure, 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.280 you know, I was trying to be humble and and 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.440 not that dad. Yeah, thanks, his son's gonna be before 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.480 you see. So, you know, I kind of sat back 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.400 and it was always pretty quiet in the stands, and 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.039 and but it was pretty early that they started to 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.320 show some some real, you know, real talent. John. Let's 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:33.960 let's talk about let's we'll get back to the boys. Well, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.200 let's talk about you a little bit. You come out 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.520 of Boston College, first round draft pick for the Dolphins, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.400 high expectations, and I know this is something that that 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.440 that that that I don't want to I don't know 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.960 what the proper term and joll that that that bothers 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.000 you a little bit. You know, you came in your 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.400 very good player. You worked hard, you were a grinder, 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.880 and injuries really really devastated your career. You had knee, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.080 you had neck, you had all those problems. I'm talking 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.720 with you. We're walking in here like you still got 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.280 that where you got you can't really turn it. And 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.040 but but people have labeled you as as a as 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.000 a bad draft pick, which was to me and I 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.000 think anybody that's been around was around at the time 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.000 and around the organization knows it was a completely different thing. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.760 I mean, look, guys can have long careers with no injuries. 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.760 Guys can have great football players and have one year 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.280 careers because of a devastating and and and you went 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:27.320 down the injury lane that that really derailed your career. UM. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:28.920 But there's been a lot of things that have been 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.320 said and written about you to me that I think 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.120 are falsehoods, And and I know it's been tough for 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.400 you to deal with, you know, post career, for you, um, 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:39.960 and for all the fans out there, and we've got 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.720 John Boza, you know, Nick Bosa, Joey Boza to the 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.680 great gonna be the great football players over this next decade, UM, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.119 how have you dealt with that and kind of fought 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.120 through it? And and for me, I'd like to see 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.200 you a little more involved with the organization because I 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.800 think you the organization deserves to have you involved with him. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.600 And I know it's a little tough, and I know 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.960 this is kind of a little ten your situation, but 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.360 just kind of what you went through and in some 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.040 of the disappointment that that that you had going through that, well, 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.720 you kind of hit the word. The biggest thing for 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.440 me was it was disappointing because I came down here. 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.320 I couldn't have been more thrilled, you know, I I 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:20.080 think you know. I came out of Keene, New Hampshire. Okay, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:25.320 I was the last scholarship available at Boston College. Someone 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.240 had opted out for a different school. So coach Mike Maser, 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.240 who was the online coach, who was in the NFL 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.120 for years after that. Uh, Tom Coughlin was the offensive 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:39.000 coordinator there, Jack mcnell. So I snuck in to BC. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.560 Uh the last scholarship. And I always used to joke, 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.199 you know, my whole life, I was John boast of 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.840 the football player. I mean that just kind of went together. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.040 It was John, Yeah, John the football player, and I 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:52.880 always joked that's saying, you know, if I didn't get 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.000 to b C, i'd be I'd still be pumping gas 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.080 and Keen. Uh. So it wasn't It was an enormous 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.600 opportunity for me to get out of Keen. My options were, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.160 you know, maybe a going to Dartmouth and getting some grants, 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.760 or playing at U n H or you mass. So 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.520 I didn't have the Notre Dame, the Penn State, so 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.880 BC was just a godsend for me. UM played five 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.760 years there. It took me two years to even see 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.360 the field, you know. So I went from to eighteen 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.880 to to seventy in three years and finally got on 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.640 the field and and and had had a lot of fun. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.640 I mean it was great years. So I never got hurt, 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.360 never had any injuries. You know, felt great. I get 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.920 that call from coach Chula, you know, best day of 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.760 my life. So I come down here, and you know, 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.360 it is hard, you know, because I've been I've been 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.360 lumped into the bust category and I just I hate 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.920 that word. And it was, you know, one thing after another. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.200 I felt. I felt great. When I first played, I 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.040 had a pretty good year. Uh. Second year, I really 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.160 felt good and we were playing well, and then the 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:03.280 knees injuries just started. Uh and it was just my knee, 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.080 first knee injury. My career was over. I didn't know it. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.199 I thought I could bounce back. But you know, for me, 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:14.200 the the if you're if you're just a true gifted athlete, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.000 you can maybe get back from those things. But that 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.280 that knee injury was so devastating. Everything was gone. I 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.240 mean it was just blown out. And medical technology back 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.160 then wasn't what wasn't what they're doing now they're there. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.920 I was in a cast. I always always tell them, 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.240 you know, when you have new injury. Back then, it 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.360 was like that little cartoons where the lion and the 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.319 lion tent would open their mouth and stick their head 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.880 and that's kind of what the doctor did, right, give 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.200 you a cut about twelve inches longer than they spull 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.960 that thing open, and and then the chance of coming 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.560 back everything. It was devastating, and I, you know, your 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.800 mindset back then, you know I can make it back. Um, 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.120 but if I if I watched tape before and after, 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.560 I lost that that quickness off the ball. So my 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.640 career was over. And I hung around, but it was over. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.600 So you know, I was fortunate. I got right into 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.240 business right after opened the gym and South Beach and 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.000 it kind of took my mind a little bit off 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.600 of things. But it was just an absolute disappointment. You know. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.400 I wanted to play for ten years and and had 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.400 all those dreams and and really the short time I 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.800 was with the Dolphins were some of the most you know, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.000 blessed and fun days in my life. It was. It 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:23.360 was fabulous. But um so, so I think now, you know, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:28.040 looking back on it, um, I almost it's almost it 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.600 was hard for me because my sons would read, you 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:32.880 know that that your dad was a bust and so 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.760 it was almost I was embarrassed for my kids that 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.280 they had to read that their dad r I buzzed. Yeah, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.800 the biggest bust. And so so that was kind of it. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.320 I mean, there they're fantastic and and and it's it's 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.080 long over. It was like a whole another life. But 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.880 it was definitely you know, I don't think I would 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.280 have been a bust if I would have stayed healthy. 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.560 That's kind of and you know, and I see I 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.959 see how they labeled different people when you look at 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.720 different situations. Um you know, whatever it is, what it 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.320 is and that. But it certainly was difficult. Well well 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.000 the O. The other thing too is you know you 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.360 had Eric Kumro, who was you know, your best friends 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.360 with him. You know, you married his great sister. I 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.320 mean you were very close and so and er Eric Eric, 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.400 you know, and and look, I know the pressure of 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:21.839 being a first round pick, you know, the pressure of 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.760 being the first round pick, and it's there and it's 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.800 there with you throughout your career. And Eric comes in 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.800 and I think they reached for Eric. It didn't work out, 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.800 so Eric, and then you you kind at the same time, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.679 you kind of same you, you kind of morphed together 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.240 in in fans of mind, you two are the same guy, right, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.640 and which which is which? Which? To me? And I 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.400 look back and I always feel bad because I think 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.600 I think it's very unfair under both situations. But fans 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.200 are fans, and they're gonna say what they're gonna say. 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.199 But um, you know, I just I just wanted to 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.760 talk about that because I know, I know how hard 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.840 it's been for you. I know how much it you 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:02.720 It's it's been something that's snagged you for a long time, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.040 and I just don't you know, you got to hear 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.240 the story to understand the truth. And then that's why 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.720 I'm trying to just know, let's throw that and and 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:17.360 you know the things that I would Unfortunately the brief career, Um, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.680 but the fortunate part is I got to meet unbelievable people, 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.480 um you and all the all the guys that that 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.240 I that I didn't play with but then all the 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.840 guys that were there, you know, Um Brazilski and and 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.719 and all the guys and you Green. I mean, I've 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.640 met wonderful people and got a chance to be Shoelea's 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.560 draft pick, which you know, which are really amazing times. Well, look, 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.120 I got that same phone call that you got, and 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.400 it still resonates with me today. It's still one of 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.000 the great moments in my life. And look, had it 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.600 been Joe smo from you know, the Cincinnati Bengals or 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.160 somewhere from someone else, it's been all, yeah, it was nice. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.040 But but to have coach pick it up and and 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.160 and talk to you that that, you know, it doesn't 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.920 go away. It's only one of those those guys. And 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.679 it's it's funny because you kind of segment your life 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.520 in ways. You know, your professional you know, you're you're 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.880 growing up your college days, your professional days, and then 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.559 what you do after football. And what a credit you've 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.920 been to South Florida in terms of your reach in 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.320 South Florida, being able to help people with your businesses, 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.880 being able to interact with people with your businesses, and 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:25.680 when you fast forward to your boys and going through 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.640 this process now as a dad, How tough, How tough 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.320 is it to just sit there and kind of go, 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.440 I'm gonna try to do everything I can to help 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.800 my boys, but there's a line where I just want 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.760 to I can't. I can't overstep that, Like I want 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.800 to be able to do what I can because I 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.400 love them. Number one, They're always gonna be my son's 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.680 but I can't. I can't go over this because this 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.520 isn't my job. Well, that's yeah, and that's really something. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.200 I don't know why or how I kind of came 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.680 to this conclusion early, um, but I think part of 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.440 it was I knew I didn't want to coach them 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.360 because I saw I saw how that stresses relationships with 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.440 fathers and sons, and I know that I would have 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.280 been tougher on them and that that just wasn't my deal. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.280 And I kind of knew that from from early and 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.760 then I was kind of blessed really because they had 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.960 great coaches, so I didn't feel like I had to 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.560 step in and I was I was the and I 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.640 definitely never wanted to be that guy, you know, that 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.760 that old old athlete that that's so I was always 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.480 quiet and sat in the back and really was just 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.840 blessed that they had good coaching, even in the youth league, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.000 and then at St. Thomas, it was easy and I 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.520 had great relationship with George Smith, great relationship with the 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.120 coaches there. So I just sat in the same spot 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:44.040 up on the father standing, yeah, and just watched them. Um. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.400 And I just always wanted them to know that I 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.720 was there for him. Um, but I wasn't. I wasn't 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.920 there pushing, you know. And I just saw that wasn't 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.920 just my style. I know, I'm not. I don't tell 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.640 people how to parent their kids. But for me, I 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.680 knew that I wasn't going to be the one that 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.280 was constantly hounding them. And then really, once they got going, 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.520 they didn't need it. Yeah, So then I was just 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.760 there cooking for him. Yeah. It's pretty easy to look 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.840 around and go, I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.360 do that. I'm gonna be my own guy. And that's 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.680 what you did. And and I think they responded to 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.720 that being because I made those promises to him that hey, 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.520 I'll I'll surround you with the best people at every level. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.440 I'll be there to support you you need me, you know, 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.640 I'm always here. For you. But I'm not gonna be 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.120 that guy. I'm not gonna be your agent. I'm not 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.920 gonna be you know, pushing you. You guys have to 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.520 do it. If you love it and and the passion 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.880 is there, then it was easy for you. And then look, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.920 we've all seen those guys, you know, we've seen those 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.360 guys that and you feel so bad for the kids 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.760 because they just, first of all, most of them don't 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.800 have the pedigree that you have from a from a 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.840 playing standpoint to where look, you do have some some 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.160 you know, little gravitas to say this is what you 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.120 should do. Uh, And they have that, but they want 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.680 to be the they want to run the show they 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.840 want and you see the kids three years later, they're 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:03.240 they're ruined, right and based on uh, let's talk about 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.680 let's talk about when when you know, when you're in 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.720 the gym, how how how quickly do they matriculate to 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.720 because these guys are I watched him in I watched 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.240 Joey in the weight room, and I'm just like jeeus, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.240 I can't even look at it. I'm so you know, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.800 I'm I'm so embarrassed for how shitty and weak I 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.280 was when I was a football player, like I can't 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.360 watch it. You know, it's it's just too much. But 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.359 you know, for them, I mean how much how good 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.199 was it for them for you to be in that 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.320 business that is so important to becoming a very good 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.960 football player, to spend time in that way, room to 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.680 learn how to do that, to learn what that does. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.840 Not only from an athletics standpoint, from a from a safety, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.720 from an injury stand show, you know, the stronger you 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:46.720 are suffer it is free to get get that bad injury. Well, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.720 I think I think what was great is they got 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.800 comfortable in the gym at an early age, so they 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:55.120 got comfortable doing things. They loved it, so I could 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.199 already tell it wasn't gonna be uh you know, really 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.119 a push to get him man up. And they really 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.720 they kind of enjoyed it. They had fun with it. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.840 Um And then you know, so we we would train, 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:08.760 but we would I would always try and do a 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.280 lot of different things. We play hoop, you know, we'd 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:15.240 hit baseballs, we you know, we did active Yeah, I 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.639 mean we were playing tennis, we were playing golf, we 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.440 were you know, out on the jet skis, just trying 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.359 to do a lot of things. What I loved about 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.920 it for them was I loved basketball, you know, because 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.080 I could see their quickness in their in their hand 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.240 I I just thought that was a great way of 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:33.600 having fun with them but actually developing their their overall 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.240 skills because it's different muscles that used to play different sports. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.000 I've been along. I've told a lot of people this 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:40.560 and then that their kids. I said, you know what 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.640 gets your They go, my kids, but all these he's 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.240 a baseball guy and he's traveling baseball. It's well, I said, 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:46.879 you know, to me, the best athletes I've seen have 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.480 played every sports because and I always thought, like you 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.719 talk about basketball, lateral movement, been in your knees, all 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.919 those things that you that everything you're do in different 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.720 sports comes back at some point as part that makes 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:03.239 you at your core for the sport. Did you end up? 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.080 I actually, I actually think watching you know, basketball players, 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.760 to me, they're the best athletes. I mean, what they're 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.240 able to do, the shape there, in the running and jumping, 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.080 it's just it's an amazing So I always kind of, 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.720 you know, had them doing a bunch of things. Obviously, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.040