1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Nori with you, Mark Anthony with us the psychic lawyer, 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: as we talk about haunted real estate. Who in God's name, 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Mark would want to spend two million dollars to buy 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: that house? Yeah, apparently quite a few people. And actually 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: the murders occurred there. And then after the after Lizzie 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: won the murder trial, she inherited the board and fortune 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: and she bought Maplecroft Mansion a few blocks away at 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: three oh six French Street in Fall River, Massachusetts. And George, 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: that too is on the market right now for eight 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety thousand dollars. And so the realtors are 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: trying to do a hey, buy both of the Lizzie 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: Borden properties because both of them are paranormal hotspots and 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot of ghost hunters and paranormal investigators, you know, 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: enjoy going there. And plus a lot of people, believe 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: it or not, George, actually want to spend the night 18 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: in these houses. I was going to say it is 19 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: it is a business. It's a bread and be bed 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: and breakfast. But gosh, I wouldn't want to spend the 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 1: night there. Yeah. I've been in a lot of pretty 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: intense places. Um. You know, being a psychic medium, I 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: get invited to a lot of haunted locations and I've 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: spent the night in some fairly eerie places. Um. I've 25 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: never had a problem, but a lot of people find 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: it very, very disturbing to spend the night there, and 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people love that that rush, that thrill 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: of encountering what they believe to be ghostly apparitions. Mark 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: is at a state by state law with regards to disclosure. 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: If you're selling property and somebody died there, do you 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 1: have to let them know? Yeah, that falls under woods 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: known George as stigmatized properly, and each of the fifty 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: states has their own laws governing the real estate transactions, 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: and roughly half of them require disclosure of stigmatized properties, 35 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: but they don't require sellers to disclose if they're haunted, 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: with two exceptions Minnesota and Massachusetts. Both of their statutes 37 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: specifically say that they have to disclose if it was 38 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: the site of a suicide, accidental death, natural death, or 39 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: perceived paranormal activity. Massachusetts says alleged parapsychological or supernatural phenomenon. 40 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: And so at least we got two states that come 41 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: out and say this, New York and Maryland allude to 42 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: it without saying it directly. New York says that their 43 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: statute indicates that if the property is psychologically impacted, and 44 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: Maryland comes out and says that you basically a house 45 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: built on or near burial grounds is considered a stigmatized 46 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: property and you can't conceal that fact. Well, um, yeah, 47 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: go ahead. You remember the movie The Miracle on thirty 48 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: fourth Street where in court they brought all this mail 49 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: that was delivered to the post office on behalf of 50 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: Santa Claus and the judge, and the judge said, and 51 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: he made his ruling. He said, if the United States 52 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Post Office recognizes Santa as a real being, then so 53 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: be it, and that that was the way it was. 54 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: So in this case, for example, like in Massachusetts, where 55 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: they recognize paranormal activity must be disclosed. Is that an 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: admission that the state of Massachusetts believes that paranormal activity 57 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: is the real deal. It would certainly indicate that. But 58 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: I think, um, and see this starts treading on thin 59 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: constitutional ice. Because if you're going to have a government 60 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: agency or a branch of the government, whether it is 61 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: the legislative branch or the judicial branch, say that a 62 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: place is haunted, that there's paranormal supernatural activity going on there, 63 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: then that can be construed as the government saying that 64 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: there is an afterlife, and according to constitutional analysts, that 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: is a violation of separation of church and state, because 66 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: then you're having a government agency make a pronouncement that 67 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: there is something beyond our material world. Would you buy 68 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: a haunted house, Sure, I wouldn't have a problem with it. 69 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: I'd go, I'd check it out. I'd want to maybe 70 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: spend a day or a night there and see what 71 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: type of activity is going on. But you know, I mean, 72 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: I communicate with spirits all the time, and I've never 73 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: found it to be problematic. I know other people who 74 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: find it to be so. But I think it all 75 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: has to do with the vibration, the frequency that you 76 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: tune into, and I'm not interested in tuning into negative vibrations. 77 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: When we take calls with Mark Anthony next hour, if 78 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: you're living in a haunted house, or if you want 79 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: to react to whether you would buy one, just to 80 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: check in with us. But well, Mark would like to 81 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: give you a little reading. All he needs is a 82 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: question from you. I'll give him your name, your first name, 83 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: and then off we go. What our ancestors, spirit worshippers. 84 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: You've looked at that, well, I have, and since since, 85 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: I want to talk briefly about this case that I 86 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: was doing a reading for this woman and her son 87 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: had been brutally murdered, and his spirit came through and 88 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: was communicating with us, and then George, another spirit came in, 89 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: and it was a woman, and I kept getting the 90 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: name Lizzie, Lizzie. And in this vision, the spirit was 91 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: holding a hatchet and started hacking apart a jack o' lanard, 92 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: you know, a pumping with a and and I heard 93 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: justice will be done. And so I'm reporting this to 94 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: the client. I go, this sounds really, really weird. And 95 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm describing it to her and she goes, oh my god. 96 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: I go, what she said, Mark, She's I'm a descendant 97 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: of Lizzie Borden. And I'm like what and and and 98 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: she said, I said, well, she keeps saying justice will 99 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: be done. She's hacking apart a jack o' lanner and 100 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: so I said to the client, I said, that indicates 101 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: to me something about right around the end of October, 102 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: around Halloween. She said, the man who murdered my son 103 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: is going on trial, and it starts October thirty feet, 104 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: which is Halloween, and and so and uh. And then 105 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: last message I got from from this from from Lizzie 106 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: was he'll die a gruesome death in prison. So what 107 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: I did, George, is I waited about a month after Halloween, 108 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: and then I called the client. I said, do you 109 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: remember the reachon goes? Oh? Mark? She said, jury selection 110 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: started in October thirty first. The trial lasted, you know, 111 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: practically two weeks. He was found guilty, convicted to life 112 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: in prison without parole. And I said, wow, she said, 113 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: and forget this, George. She said, you know, I'm a 114 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: Christian and I'm not supposed to take comfort in the 115 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: suffering of others. But I can't say that this makes 116 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: me feel bad. And I said, well, you know, I've 117 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: never had the spirit of a psychopathic killer come through 118 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: before and make somebody feel good. And she said, well, Mark, 119 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: I guess there really is a first time for everything. 120 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: And now has anything happened to the guy in prison 121 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: at this point. Not at this point, he's only been 122 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: in for about I guess about a year and a 123 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: half two years now. So but the client, she, you know, 124 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: we keep in touch because this was such a profound thing. 125 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: And it's very interesting because after they're reading, I've found 126 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: out that their Lizzie Borden had no children. Neither did 127 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: her sister Emma. However, the Borden families very large, and 128 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: so let's say you and I are both descended from 129 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: George Washington. Even though he had no children, he had cousins. Okay, 130 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: so they're all part of that DNA line. And what's 131 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: really fascinating George, And the reason I'm bringing this up, 132 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: because this is segueing into the ancestors, is that some 133 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: of Lizzie Borden's descendants include none other than Winston Churchill 134 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: and also actress Elizabeth Montgomery. Remember the old TV show People, Absolutely, 135 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: but they're cute little nose that she'd wiggle, yeah and yeah, 136 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: she wiggled her nose and things happened. And the fascinating 137 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: thing is Elizabeth Montgomery played Lizzie Borden in a TV 138 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: movie called the Legend of Lizzie Borden. Other Borden descendants 139 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: include a woman by the name of Gail Borden who 140 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: invented condensed milk and founded Borden Milk Company. There's a 141 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: relationship to Lizzie Borden and the Borden Milk Company. Yes, 142 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: they're all from the same DNA in both. Yeah. In 143 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: both Lizzie Borden and a woman by the name of 144 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: Norma Jean Baker whom we better know as Marilyn Monroe, 145 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: share the same ancestor, Robert Borden, who emigrated from England 146 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: and died in sixteen seventy one. So the Borden family 147 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: came over from Britain settled in the New England area. 148 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: It was a large, prominent and wealthy family and their 149 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: descendants exists to this day. That's an amazing story. Mark. 150 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: That is something else. Well, well, it ties into with 151 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: the ancestor worship and ancestor connections, because I mean, you know, 152 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: if I said, oh, I'm doing a reading for you 153 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: George and Lizzie Borden came through, I mean that sounds crazy, 154 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: That's right, It is really weird. But then again, there 155 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: was a connection between my client and and Lizzie Borden 156 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: and so in my work in studying a paranormal phenomenon, 157 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: because I'm not just a medium, I'm also you know, 158 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: the psychic explorer, and I like to explore the phenomenon. 159 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: It appears that the spirits of our ancestors remain connected 160 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: to us. So even though obviously my client never knew 161 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: or met Lizzie Borden, because there's a century between them, 162 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: there seems to be some connections with the spirit of 163 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: our ancestors and in their descendants now and in many instances, 164 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: they will come forward to provide messages of healing. And 165 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: I think that this is a very important thing for 166 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: people to understand, is that you know, love never dies. 167 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: There is an energetic link that flows throughout the generations 168 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: between people here and those of us that we're related to. 169 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: The other side, in most cases, really wants to help us. 170 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: Don't think it does. My experience is that nothing spiritual 171 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: is controlling. Spirits are not here to frighten us, to 172 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: dominate us. They come forth to provide messages of love, 173 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: healing and resolution. So that is extremely, extremely comforting and 174 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: extremely healing. Since you've been doing this, Mark, do you 175 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: find that it gets even more fascinating as these cases 176 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: go by, Oh absolutely, And in my work traveling overseas 177 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: and also in this country, there's nothing new about ancestor 178 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: worship or ancestor veneration. It's part of our I'd say 179 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: it's part of our DNA. And the late philosopher of 180 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: mythologics for doctor Joseph Campbell, he said that humans need 181 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: a connection to the divine, and we look to the 182 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: spirits of our deceased loved ones and even give them 183 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: divine attributes because it's easier to relate to them than 184 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: it is to the infinity of let's call the divine 185 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: power that you and I would call God. And a 186 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: lot of people believe as I do, that God works 187 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: in mysterious ways, and so that we're all cells in 188 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: the body of God, and we're all extensions of that energy. 189 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: So the reason I'm bringing this up is it's easier 190 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: for us to receive a healing message from a recognizable space, 191 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: a recognizable personality, than it is sometimes from this overwhelming 192 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: infinite intelligence space. In other words, it's easier for us 193 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: to see the finite than to even begin to try 194 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: to comprehend the infinite. 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