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Speaker 2: Spent a little time with Jim Nance opening up the
Speaker 2: scrap book heading down memory lane five hundred NFL games
Speaker 2: that he's called. When you think about broadcasting careers, sports
Speaker 2: broadcasting careers, now, I'm fortunate to be friends with al Michaels,
Speaker 2: I work with Chris Berman, Keith Jackson. I got to
Speaker 2: know him later on in his life, jack Buck. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so many great legendary broadcasters, and you know, you
Speaker 2: were in it for the long haul. I think all
Speaker 2: of those broadcasters looked at how do I have a
Speaker 2: long shelf life? Now it's different now, you know, you
Speaker 2: have a podcast, maybe you're not doing network TV, maybe
Speaker 2: you're streaming, maybe you're on YouTube. You know, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of different ways to be in the business. And
Speaker 2: I think that's great. That's encouraging for a lot of
Speaker 2: pe people who want to do this. It's a really
Speaker 2: hard job to do. It's hard to get into the business.
Speaker 2: But it used to be CBSABC, NBC, that was it.
Speaker 2: I didn't get a job locally in Dayton, Ohio. I
Speaker 2: got passed over. I went to CNN. CNN was just
Speaker 2: starting out, got an opportunity and I was doing headline sports,
Speaker 2: not glamorous. I'm making eighteen five hundred dollars. But I
Speaker 2: tell my students at the Dan Patry School of Broadcasting
Speaker 2: at full sale, if you can do this job and
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter where you are or what you're making,
Speaker 2: but you get to call yourself a professional sportscaster, would
Speaker 2: you take the job. Now, everybody wants to work at
Speaker 2: ESPN or Fox or CBS, NBC, but there's so many
Speaker 2: people who do this at you know, Bozeman, Montana, or
Speaker 2: Syracuse or you know, all of these different places. So
Speaker 2: you know, Jim Nann started out. He was in Salt Lake,
Speaker 2: he was doing the jazz games, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden he got handpicked and I think he was
Speaker 2: like twenty five years of age. If it didn't go well,
Speaker 2: Jim Nance is not Jim Nance, but he was ready
Speaker 2: for the moment and has become one of the great
Speaker 2: broadcasters of all time. And I've been fortunate to have
Speaker 2: worked or have relationships with these people. Longevity was always
Speaker 2: important for me. Having a legacy, what did you do
Speaker 2: with that time and being professional? And Jim is, you know,
Speaker 2: an epitome of that. He's done it. He's done it
Speaker 2: at a high level. When you're doing Final Four, when
Speaker 2: you're doing the Masters, when you're doing the Super Bowl. Hean,
Speaker 2: it doesn't get any better than that. And he's at
Speaker 2: the pinnacle, and I'm happy for him. He's done it
Speaker 2: the right way. Al Michaels, you know, there's so many broadcasters.
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Buck has done incredible things starting at
Speaker 2: a young age and we didn't even know or call
Speaker 2: it nepotism then, but he was getting that opportunity because
Speaker 2: he's dad and he had to prove himself so to
Speaker 2: be around sort of the evolution of a whole new
Speaker 2: wave of Hall of Fame broadcasters has been really rewarding
Speaker 2: for me. And really I'm competitive. You know, you have
Speaker 2: Bob Costas, who is probably the greatest sports broadcaster of
Speaker 2: all time. You know, he's if I put him up
Speaker 2: there as the Tom Brady of our business, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's overstating it for what he has
Speaker 2: meant to the history. You know, just dealing with the Olympics,
Speaker 2: it was always a big deal. It was a big
Speaker 2: moment when Bob was doing something. Marv Albert all the
Speaker 2: games that he called. I mean, there's so many people
Speaker 2: who have done this at such a high level that
Speaker 2: I've been very fortunate to have either work with him
Speaker 2: or I know them, and I would have broadcaster envy.
Speaker 2: I brought this up to Jim Nance that you know
Speaker 2: Chris Fowlery, we talked to him last week, that you
Speaker 2: hear somebody have a call and you can't help but
Speaker 2: be competitive as a play by play guy. Now I'm
Speaker 2: not a play by play guy, but when you hear
Speaker 2: somebody make a great call and they just nail it,
Speaker 2: I wonder if you're a play by play voice and
Speaker 2: you go, God, I wish I would have been there.
Speaker 2: What I've called it differently, dick Enberg was one of
Speaker 2: those people growing up. He was always smooth, He just
Speaker 2: sounded great, He was likable, and he was there for
Speaker 2: big moments. Pat sommerl John Madden. I mean, I'm going
Speaker 2: to leave out people, but there are people who have
Speaker 2: done it for a long long time at a very
Speaker 2: very high level, and I have great respect for what
Speaker 2: they do, and you kind of take it for granted.
Speaker 2: You know, we took Keith Jackson for granted, it was college.
Speaker 2: His voice was college football. You know, you're just kind
Speaker 2: of watching your listening and they become sort of the
Speaker 2: fabric of that sport. And Mel Allen when he was
Speaker 2: doing baseball. You know, you just go down the list
Speaker 2: of wonderful people and I think there's a common thread
Speaker 2: that they have, and they're very bright, and they retain knowledge,
Speaker 2: all of them very bright. Like Al has such a
Speaker 2: photographic memory, Bob costas photographic memory, and I think you
Speaker 2: have to have that. You got to be smart, retain
Speaker 2: and then you have a good vocabulary. And you also
Speaker 2: have to be cool under pressure. Because here's Jim Nance
Speaker 2: who did a Super Bowl when it was in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: The power goes out, Well, what are you doing? They
Speaker 2: don't say a just in case the power goes out
Speaker 2: in the Superdome, you don't do that, like you're not
Speaker 2: planning for that. But Doc Emeric like talk about somebody
Speaker 2: who's the voice of a sport and to be able
Speaker 2: to be around him at the Olympics and just you know,
Speaker 2: by proxy, I'm picking his brain. He doesn't know it
Speaker 2: at the time. We're at lunch and I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: just listening. I just wanted him to talk. I wanted
Speaker 2: him to tell me about a process. And I realized
Speaker 2: that he truly loved what he did, and he promoted
Speaker 2: the game that he was calling. And today we can
Speaker 2: be selfish. Back then you were selfless. You were promoting
Speaker 2: the game. Sometimes, you know, we get out in front
Speaker 2: of it. I did this at Sports Center, where you
Speaker 2: make it seem like you're more important than the highlights
Speaker 2: that you're calling. But uh, just wonderful. And I love
Speaker 2: having Jim on because I don't know how much longer
Speaker 2: he's going to do it. I don't know how much
Speaker 2: longer I'm going to do it, but there's a shared
Speaker 2: respect there that will always be there. Mike in Atlanta,
Speaker 2: Hey Mike, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 3: Dan, how you guys doing today?
Speaker 2: Great? Great?
Speaker 5: All right, Hey, first off, I'm going to talk about
Speaker 5: Jim Nants.
Speaker 3: But I called in last month. I was heading up.
Speaker 5: To my father's funeral in Minnesota, and you guys advised
Speaker 5: me not to go to the game before the funeral.
Speaker 5: And I got to the funeral and I found out
Speaker 5: that three of my siblings and five of my nieces
Speaker 5: and nephews actually went to the game.
Speaker 3: So bad advice from you. But anyway, on to Jim Nance,
Speaker 3: Why is it that whenever you hear his voice as
Speaker 3: a man, the way he speaks, he brings a tear
Speaker 3: to your eye.
Speaker 2: Well, he's Jim NaN's I think you. You hear that
Speaker 2: voice and you think of big moments, whether it's Tiger Woods,
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods again, Tiger hugging his son, Tiger hugging his father,
Speaker 2: watching March Madness, somebody has a big shot, wins it championship.
Speaker 2: He's there when you have these emotional moments because we
Speaker 2: get intertwined in that. You get caught up in that
Speaker 2: emotion and Jim carries you along. He's telling stories. That's
Speaker 2: what he does. He tells stories, and it's not easy
Speaker 2: to do that. Mike Tariko, you know there's so many
Speaker 2: play by play guys that their ability to be able
Speaker 2: to kind of carry you along. You start out with
Speaker 2: chapter one, that could be the first quarter, chapter two,
Speaker 2: the second quarter. You know, you're you're kind of creating
Speaker 2: a book nonfiction right in front of you, and Jim
Speaker 2: does a wonderful John not doing that all right? Eight
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Speaker 2: out last hour. Just a sampling of in or out?
Speaker 2: And I think a controversial answer by Fritzi PAULI, would
Speaker 2: you give that question again? And uh, then we'll go
Speaker 2: to the other questions for are you in or are
Speaker 2: you out?
Speaker 6: To recap the policy at the end of my statement,
Speaker 6: you say in or out. Mike McCarthy is closer to
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl today than he was a week ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, And Todd said.
Speaker 7: In to the prospect of possibly winning super with another team.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Everybody else was out.
Speaker 6: The Dion Sanders possibly to the Cowboys story is not real.
Speaker 2: I am in that it's probably not real. Anybody think
Speaker 2: it's real? Todd. I think it's sort of real.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's gonna happen, but I think it's
Speaker 7: a I don't think it's a totally fabricated thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's sort of real, sort of real. I
Speaker 2: think it's sort of nothing. Yes, okay, Yes.
Speaker 4: This is where it gets a little tricky.
Speaker 2: Is the story real? No? Is the topic real? Yes?
Speaker 4: And the two things get blended together. So even before
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy had lost his job. People were like, I
Speaker 4: think Dion Sanders is the next coach there, and so
Speaker 4: the topic is very real, but I don't.
Speaker 2: Think the story is actually very real at all. It's
Speaker 2: very desirous of the networks. Shows you you're rooting for
Speaker 2: something like this because it makes our job easier when
Speaker 2: you got these kind of topics. It's like Ben Johnson
Speaker 2: goes to the Cowboys, like, all right, they got Ben Johnson,
Speaker 2: all right, good luck fixing Doc. Then the Cowboys they're
Speaker 2: gonna get d On. It's just different. It changes everything.
Speaker 2: And you know, if First Take or and the Fox Show,
Speaker 2: any of those shows you're leading with this, it's it's
Speaker 2: wishful reporting there. But I don't think it's real. Here
Speaker 2: we go, all.
Speaker 6: Right, the Titans and the Browns have the first and
Speaker 6: second pick of the NFL Draft. If it's between the
Speaker 6: Titans and the Browns, Shador Sanders should pull in. Eli
Speaker 6: Manning should pull in Eli Manning.
Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm out, Like who was he Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're a good quarterback.
Speaker 6: But I would say I'm in ish because the Giants
Speaker 6: had the third pick of the draft. Eli Manning was
Speaker 6: a good college quarterback, A very good college quarterback. They
Speaker 6: didn't win any national titles or anything.
Speaker 2: With them, but he pulled it. That was just the Chargers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think if other teams were And look, I was,
Speaker 2: I was involved in I knew what was going on
Speaker 2: a little bit more than most people did. And I
Speaker 2: and it's only because I was witnessing a conversation.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 2: I was there with some people and I was hearing
Speaker 2: a conversation. It's not like I was eavesdropping. I was
Speaker 2: part of the group that was having a conversation, so
Speaker 2: I was aware of this. I don't think that story
Speaker 2: has ever truly been told. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: ever gets told, but I think it was just the Chargers. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If Shudoor Sanders was to pull an Eli Manning, I
Speaker 4: don't believe he will be given the same grace that
Speaker 4: Eli Manning was given after making that decision.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what social media would have said,
Speaker 2: if there was social media back then, But you're right,
Speaker 2: this is going to be all who do you think
Speaker 2: you are, Shudoor Sanders. You know at the time, you're going, damn,
Speaker 2: Eli's going to get roughed up here. He better be
Speaker 2: really good but there was no social media. Social media
Speaker 2: would rough up deonn En Shudor Sanders. But I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're him, Okay, you got a chance. You
Speaker 2: can walk in and start in Cleveland. You can walk
Speaker 2: in and start in Tennessee and walk in and start
Speaker 2: with the Giants. I don't know. I mean, look, do
Speaker 2: I want to go to that the Browns organization WITHOU ownership? No,
Speaker 2: I would not Tennessee. I don't about that ownership. The
Speaker 2: Giants haven't been the Giants for a while, but that
Speaker 2: is the New York market, so maybe that would factor
Speaker 2: in as well. Yes, ton, I think.
Speaker 7: Schudor would seton point that would get slammed a lot
Speaker 7: more than Eli. And also remember those fabricator reports that
Speaker 7: Cayleb Williams won't play for the Bears, or he had
Speaker 7: certain teams on his list, which ended up like a
Speaker 7: supposedly not being true, and he was getting crushed even
Speaker 7: before people could even realize whether that was even accurate
Speaker 7: story or not.
Speaker 2: Well, John Elway got roughed up. John Elway got roughed
Speaker 2: up when he did that to the Colts, But he
Speaker 2: didn't want to go to an organization that wasn't a
Speaker 2: good organization, and he had the power to be able
Speaker 2: to do that because he put it out there that hey,
Speaker 2: I'll just play minor league baseball I think one Onta Yankees.
Speaker 2: But then he got the trade, and then you know,
Speaker 2: Elway created a Hall of Fame career. ELI worked out
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame career. What if Cooper Flagg says
Speaker 2: I don't want to play for the Wizards. Could you
Speaker 2: see Cooper Flagg doing an Eli manning that was next
Speaker 2: time I lift? No, it was it was not okay,
Speaker 2: six months or not will be.
Speaker 6: I'd rather be roughed up by the media than roughed
Speaker 6: up by a franchise for five years.
Speaker 2: But here we go.
Speaker 6: The college football National Title game should always be played
Speaker 6: at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena. A number of people
Speaker 6: have brought this up in the past month. The College
Speaker 6: football and National Title Game should be fixed at the
Speaker 6: Rose Bowl in Pasadena, in or out.
Speaker 2: Well, I love the you know the landscape backdrop, but
Speaker 2: you couldn't do it now. Imagine if they were going
Speaker 2: to be playing at the Rose Bowl, given what's happened
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, they'd be moving but moving forward. Love
Speaker 2: it beautiful every time I go to the Rose bul
Speaker 2: It's like, damn, this is great. So I'm in, in in.
Speaker 2: I'm in, in, in in. Anybody else got a venue that, yes,
Speaker 2: time I'm out.
Speaker 7: Only because I like it moving around different site sounds
Speaker 7: different to bases. Are people even if you're not a
Speaker 7: fan of one of those teams, just to have people
Speaker 7: then may be more close proximity to certain stadiums, so
Speaker 7: it's not always, you know, across the country for some people.
Speaker 6: Two more, Okay, man, I don't all right. This one
Speaker 6: I think is simple. If Lamar Jackson leads the Ravens
Speaker 6: to a super Bowl victory, he's in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 6: zero doubt. At age twenty eight.
Speaker 2: I think he's already in the Hall of Fame without
Speaker 2: a super Bowl rank, yes, even a super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 2: I think he's already in at twenty. I think he's
Speaker 2: gonna win another MVP. He's gonna have three by the
Speaker 2: time he's twenty eight, and he's gonna be the all
Speaker 2: time rushing leader amongst quarterbacks, and I would say he's
Speaker 2: probably already in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6: I thought this might be a throwaway, all right. Last one,
Speaker 6: the Vikings should move on from Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2: I'm todd. I'll start with you in or out out.
Speaker 7: I know those last two games were horrible, but fourteen
Speaker 7: three there's enough there and I don't know who they
Speaker 7: would get instead, So stick with Sam at least one
Speaker 7: more year.
Speaker 2: I ain't seat O'Connor. I'm in to get rid of him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm in to get rid of him. He
Speaker 4: unfortunately he had a good season, but the two most
Speaker 4: important games of the year he fell apart.
Speaker 2: All right, Marvin, are you in on Sam Donald? Out?
Speaker 2: I'm out. JJ McCarthy better be what you think he is.
Speaker 2: If Sam Donald's gone, I'm I would like to have
Speaker 2: him for one more year. So that's in Ish or
Speaker 2: you're out in Ish. I'm I'm in on him eventually
Speaker 2: being out.
Speaker 6: So you're out on the topic because the Viking should
Speaker 6: move on from Sam Donald.
Speaker 2: You're out Ish on that Outish?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there it is. That's it. We've done it.
Speaker 2: We've played in or out are. People are sending me
Speaker 2: other legendary broadcasters here, and and yes, Vin Scully is
Speaker 2: obviously one of my favorites.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of broadcasters. I knew that once they started,
Speaker 2: I was going to forget people, but you know, we're
Speaker 2: just talking off the top of our heads here. After
Speaker 2: having Jim Nance on, we'll take a break. RG three
Speaker 2: will join us next back after this.
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Speaker 2: has announced he's going pro. I haven't seen mock drafts
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Speaker 2: You could probably have him. How many positions did he
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Speaker 2: on YouTube wherever you get your podcast. Good to talk
Speaker 2: to you again. All right, are you in or out?
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold staying with the Vikings.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I mean I'm out. I'm out on that
Speaker 10: JJ McCarthy. You know, I you know if people tend
Speaker 10: to forget about JJ, but I was a huge JJ
Speaker 10: guy coming out. I know why NFL coaches love him.
Speaker 10: He can make the practical plays. He's not a stat
Speaker 10: merchant and he's not worried about those types of things.
Speaker 10: But he can also make the off schedule play and
Speaker 10: has the athleticism and mobility that you look for. Sam Darnold,
Speaker 10: in my opinion, I don't think that his fall off
Speaker 10: was as big dan as people are making it out
Speaker 10: to be. I think the eighteen weeks of the season,
Speaker 10: or the seventeen weeks.
Speaker 2: Of the season that he played well still.
Speaker 10: Are gonna, you know, help him in free agency, but
Speaker 10: I do not think that he'll be back with Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Are you in or out that the Cowboys Dion Sanders
Speaker 2: story is a real story. I'm in with an asterisk.
Speaker 10: I've talked to Dion, and I knew this months ago
Speaker 10: that the only way he'll go to the NFL is
Speaker 10: if he has an opportunity to coach his sons, and
Speaker 10: he's been very adamant about that recently. It wasn't my
Speaker 10: information to share at the time, but I don't think
Speaker 10: he's gonna go to the NFL just to be an
Speaker 10: NFL coach, and he doesn't want to after his sons.
Speaker 10: He's set them up to be in a position where
Speaker 10: they can be highly drafted.
Speaker 2: If you're Shader and Shalloh will have a chance to
Speaker 2: go play in the NFL as well. But I'm in.
Speaker 10: I think he's the best option and Dan I got
Speaker 10: to say I was the first person to say it
Speaker 10: when it wasn't popular last year on the Settlement a
Speaker 10: Night countdown.
Speaker 2: So I'm in on that. Yeah. I've been saying all
Speaker 2: along that I thought that there was something up with
Speaker 2: him with the Raiders if they were going to get
Speaker 2: the number one pick, and Dion could have gone there
Speaker 2: and taken his son number one. Could you have seen
Speaker 2: that scenario because I thought that since Tom got in
Speaker 2: there as the part time owner minority owner, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought for sure.
Speaker 10: And I know that Dion, you know, he's very supportive
Speaker 10: of other coaches, and this is something that I'm not
Speaker 10: sure people really pay attention to a ton where it
Speaker 10: was Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State, where there's Marcus Freeman,
Speaker 10: where there's Mike Vick in.
Speaker 2: His situation in Norfolk State.
Speaker 10: He's very supportive coach of other coaches, and he didn't
Speaker 10: want to undercut Antonio Pierce. So I remember they were
Speaker 10: at that banquet a few weeks ago when Pierce was
Speaker 10: the coach, and he was like, hey draft my son
Speaker 10: blah blah blah, because he wants his son to be
Speaker 10: in a situation that, you know, Tom Brady being there
Speaker 10: have an influence mentoring Shaudor would be great.
Speaker 2: So I was in on that as well.
Speaker 10: I didn't think that Dallas was the only place that
Speaker 10: Dion could go and be a head coach in the NFL.
Speaker 10: But I did think that before this season they should
Speaker 10: have fired Mike McCarthy and hired Dion to bring an
Speaker 10: identity and a culture there to Dallas of winning that
Speaker 10: he's brought to with him to Jackson State and now
Speaker 10: also to Colorado.
Speaker 2: All Right, are you in or out Shadore pulling in
Speaker 2: Eli Manning Tennessee or Cleveland were to draft.
Speaker 10: Him, man, I think I'd be in. I'd be in
Speaker 10: because at the end of the day, I'm a player
Speaker 10: empowerment guy.
Speaker 2: And it's funny.
Speaker 10: Because last year I said that Caleb Williams should have
Speaker 10: pulled in the Ali Manning on the Chicago Bears, and a
Speaker 10: lot of people got upset with me. But Dan, I
Speaker 10: don't know if you noticed, I ended up being right
Speaker 10: about that. And the bottom line is structure matters, who
Speaker 10: the coach is matters, who you have around you matters.
Speaker 10: And if chaduer because he's a grown man, feels that
Speaker 10: Tennessee or Cleveland are not the right place for him,
Speaker 10: then that's his decision to make. I, for one, believe
Speaker 10: that they're not the right place for him.
Speaker 2: So I'd be in on that. Who has more to
Speaker 2: gain from a win? This weekend in Buffalo with Josh
Speaker 2: Allen Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 10: I think Lamar Jackson has more to gain. If you
Speaker 10: look at their playoff numbers. Josh Allen has a quarterback
Speaker 10: rating over one hundred, and his kryptonite has really been
Speaker 10: Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City chiefs Lamar krypton kite
Speaker 10: has been his second playoff game and just his success
Speaker 10: in the playoffs altogether. So I think if Lamar loses,
Speaker 10: you will see or should I say the Baltimore raven lose,
Speaker 10: because quarterbacks don't win lose games. But if the Ravens lose,
Speaker 10: you'll see a lot of people come out and destroy
Speaker 10: and destroyer Lamar Jackson and and and in this case,
Speaker 10: I would I would have to agree that that it's warranted.
Speaker 10: This is an MVP showdown. And then I wish I
Speaker 10: wish the trophy was on the line in this game,
Speaker 10: because that would be just add so much more intrigue
Speaker 10: to it. But I do think Lamar has more to lose.
Speaker 10: But I don't think the game comes down to Lamar Josh.
Speaker 10: I think it comes down to Dereck Henry and James Cook,
Speaker 10: and that's I believe that's the matchup between those two,
Speaker 10: and the offensive lines up front will determine who wins
Speaker 10: the game.
Speaker 2: Talking to RG three, fill in the blank. Justin Herbert
Speaker 2: is blank. Justin Herbert is Philip Rivers. That's what he
Speaker 2: is right now, and Philip Rivers it is a compliment. Dan,
Speaker 2: would you would you love to have the career that
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers had compared to who?
Speaker 10: I'm asking you just as a as a fan, as
Speaker 10: a guy who's covered the game, and would you love
Speaker 10: to have the career that Philip Rivers had?
Speaker 2: I would take Joe Flacco's over Philip Rivers, but should
Speaker 2: not answer the question. Okay, would you I think that
Speaker 2: most I would take Philip Rivers career? Yes, I think
Speaker 2: most fans would would take Philip Rivers career.
Speaker 10: So when you say is it a compliment, I'm saying
Speaker 10: it just depends on who you what you're how you're
Speaker 10: looking at this.
Speaker 2: Is it a compliment to UH? Or is it?
Speaker 10: Would you rather have Philip rivers career or Peyton Manning's career?
Speaker 10: Beide Manning. So for Justin Herbert, he has to decide
Speaker 10: at some point it can't be everybody else's issue anymore.
Speaker 10: He's had three head coaches and four offensive coordinators. Every
Speaker 10: single coach he's had has been blamed for his lack
Speaker 10: of success in the playoffs. He throws four interceptions, not
Speaker 10: every single one of them were on him. I'm not
Speaker 10: gonna go so far as to say that he is
Speaker 10: not a good quarterback, because he is a good quarterback,
Speaker 10: but at some point, when it's not cutting time, he
Speaker 10: has to step up in the playoffs and it can't
Speaker 10: be well, it was this coach's fault or that coordinator
Speaker 10: didn't get it done. And now I'm hearing people talk
Speaker 10: about Greg Roman again and how Greg Roman is the issue.
Speaker 10: He didn't do this, he didn't do that. And I
Speaker 10: just looked at him and say.
Speaker 2: Herbert is not blaming The media is making excuses for
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, and I agree that.
Speaker 10: I want to be very clear there, Justin Herbert took
Speaker 10: full accountability and responsibility after the game for how he played.
Speaker 2: This is not a Justin Herbert thing. It's more of
Speaker 2: a us thing. Right in the media. We're all in
Speaker 2: this together. We got to be.
Speaker 10: Able to hold him accountable to the same lengths that
Speaker 10: we hold Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott or even Peyton Manning
Speaker 10: when he was early in his career didn't have a
Speaker 10: ton of playoff success. Herbert is now in that realm
Speaker 10: where he's gonna make a decision if is he gonna
Speaker 10: be Philip Rivers or is he going to be able
Speaker 10: to turn the corner and be a Peyton Manning type.
Speaker 2: But I think when you lumped him in with Dak
Speaker 2: Prescott and Lamar Jackson, and to me, they shouldn't be
Speaker 2: lumped in because Dak is the quarterback of the Cowboys, yes,
Speaker 2: always going to get more credit and more blame always.
Speaker 2: Lamar's a two time MVP and hasn't done anything in
Speaker 2: the postseason. Justin Herbert, I think is propped up by
Speaker 2: a portion of the media that wants him to be
Speaker 2: a great quarterback. He's not a great quarterback. Lamar's won
Speaker 2: two MVPs. He has got to perform in the postseason.
Speaker 2: That's what we expect at MVPs. And Dak you know
Speaker 2: you walk into that position and you know you're going
Speaker 2: to get criticized. And Dak has not really done much.
Speaker 2: And now he's thirty two coming off hamstring surgery and
Speaker 2: so he can't he's injury prone and immobile. And now
Speaker 2: whoever takes over the Cowboys inherits that that's not a
Speaker 2: good recipe there.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you're talking about my tweet from a couple
Speaker 10: of days ago when the charge is lost. And the
Speaker 10: reason I I like and Dave you know Anita wedding
Speaker 10: date lumped them all in together is because, yes, I
Speaker 10: can understand the Lamar Jackson piece.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you like that movie reference. It's a great movie.
Speaker 10: I don't know why people don't like it. It's a
Speaker 10: great movie. I understand the Lamar Jackson piece, the two
Speaker 10: time MVP. But now we're just creating these subcategories for
Speaker 10: what we're gonna criticize this guy, but not this guy.
Speaker 10: Lamar's success in the playoffs or lack thereof, or of
Speaker 10: how he's played. He still made it to an AFC
Speaker 10: Championship game, justin Herbert hasn't even sniffed that. So when
Speaker 10: you look at Dak Prescott and what he's been able
Speaker 10: to do, yeah, as the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 10: that's awesome. But I'm not gonna subdivide that and say
Speaker 10: I'm gonna give Dak more criticism just because he's a
Speaker 10: quarterback of the Cowboys. I'm gonna give Lamar more criticism
Speaker 10: despite the fact that he's done more than almost every
Speaker 10: quarterback in his draft class. When it comes to his
Speaker 10: success on the field, Justin Herbert has unbelievable stats. You
Speaker 10: probably know all of the NFL records that he's broken,
Speaker 10: from passing to passing, touchdowns to wins and everything in between.
Speaker 10: I do think he is a great quarterback. The question
Speaker 10: is is he a clutch.
Speaker 2: Quarterback when it matters? And right now he hasn't been.
Speaker 10: And for that, to me, it's you either give everybody
Speaker 10: grace and you say, hey, it took Steve Young seven
Speaker 10: eight years to figure it out, it took Manning eight
Speaker 10: nine years to figure it out, or you make sure you.
Speaker 2: Criticize them all at the same level.
Speaker 10: Because quarterbacks always get the most praise and they always
Speaker 10: get the most criticism, right, more praise than they deserve,
Speaker 10: more criticism than they deserve. We can't create these subcategories
Speaker 10: and say, all right, well, we're not gonna go after
Speaker 10: Justin Herbert just because he's not the quarterback of the
Speaker 10: Cowboys and he's not a two time MVP.
Speaker 2: But who's not going to after him?
Speaker 10: You think Justin Herbert gets the same amount of criticism
Speaker 10: that Lamar Jackson does or Dak Prescott or to a
Speaker 10: tongue of la Lamar's a two time MVP. What about
Speaker 10: to a tongue of Biloa. Let's take let's take Lamar
Speaker 10: out of it. Do you think do you think Juston
Speaker 10: Herbert gets the same criticism as to a tongue Baila.
Speaker 2: Tua gets a whole passed because of.
Speaker 10: His health toa does not get a whole passed that
Speaker 10: they had a goodness right he?
Speaker 2: Do you think that he's a great quarterback?
Speaker 10: I do, and I think he's the perfect quarterback for
Speaker 10: Mike McDaniel's offense.
Speaker 2: Why would Tyreek want out if you've got this great
Speaker 2: quarterback there?
Speaker 10: Well, Tyreek probably wants out because Tyreek wants to win
Speaker 10: Super Bowls and you.
Speaker 2: Can't do that with Tua. I think you can. But
Speaker 2: Tua was banged up this year and two is going
Speaker 2: to be banged up. We hold our breath. I think
Speaker 2: that we we hold our breath with him. I don't
Speaker 2: think people are critical of him. I don't really nowhere
Speaker 2: near no, nowhere near the other quarterback. No, we got
Speaker 2: a whole pass. He got a whole pass because of
Speaker 2: his health. What were his numbers this year? What did
Speaker 2: he do you this year. What did the Dolphins do
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 10: Well, he showed that he's the he's the MVP of
Speaker 10: the Dolphins because when he was out, they couldn't sniff
Speaker 10: a win. But then when he came back, he actually
Speaker 10: helped him get back into playoff contention and have a
Speaker 10: chance at the end of the season to make the
Speaker 10: actual playoffs.
Speaker 2: So so, if they said you're gonna have to a
Speaker 2: moving forward or Justin Herbert, who would I take? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I hate that question. Dan, Dammit, you set it up.
Speaker 2: I didn't set it up. You set it up. You're
Speaker 2: just trying to Dolphins.
Speaker 10: You did bring I did bring it to her I
Speaker 10: did if I had, if I had, if I had
Speaker 10: to pick, if I had to pick, I'm I'm I'm taking.
Speaker 10: I'm taking to a tongue a by law. I am
Speaker 10: I'm taking to over Justin Herbert. I don't you don't
Speaker 10: believe that? You don't believe that. I believe, not believe.
Speaker 10: Let's go around the room. Who believes that RG three
Speaker 10: is telling me the truth? Todd, do you think he's
Speaker 10: telling the truth?
Speaker 2: I think he is. Oh, go suck up appreciation. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, see you think RG three is telling me
Speaker 2: the truth. I do. I believe he's telling you the truth. Yes,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 10: Now the question Dan, the better question is would they
Speaker 10: take to over Justin because I don't think a lot
Speaker 10: of people would. I think I think from watching the
Speaker 10: tape and watching the two guys play, if health is
Speaker 10: not an issue, because health is an issue for both
Speaker 10: of them, let's be honest.
Speaker 2: Well, to take really an issue for two, it's really
Speaker 2: an issue for two.
Speaker 10: If you could guarantee me that Tua never gets another concussion,
Speaker 10: I'm taking too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can't do that. That's part of what
Speaker 2: you take. Paulie, you want to call out RG three.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Robert was lying to you. His voice went up
Speaker 6: three octaves.
Speaker 2: I believe it. I believed, Okay, Yeah, yeah, Paulie used
Speaker 2: to work for the FBI giving light detector tests. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's calling you out. Uh before I let you go.
Speaker 2: Whenever I read not whenever, but a lot of times
Speaker 2: I'll read about Jayden Daniels and then there'll be the
Speaker 2: cautionary tale where they bring up you that you know
Speaker 2: you had this meteoric rise, you were Jayden Daniels before him,
Speaker 2: But is it fair to bring you up as it
Speaker 2: cautionary tale. Yes, playing for the same franchise of getting
Speaker 2: hurt or putting yourself at risk with the way you play.
Speaker 10: No, I don't think it's fair at all. I don't
Speaker 10: think it's fair to Jayden. I don't think it's fair
Speaker 10: to the commander's organization. Because there's this thing that I
Speaker 10: said in the off season that I got much maligned
Speaker 10: for about the Chicago Bears and how their structure wasn't
Speaker 10: conducive to a young quarterback being successful, and the caveat
Speaker 10: to that, or should I say the example off of that,
Speaker 10: was how well Washington was built. New head coach, new GM,
Speaker 10: new ownership, new offensive coordinator that knew how to utilize
Speaker 10: a mobile, duel threat, triple threat quarterback like Jaden Daniels,
Speaker 10: and veteran leadership on the team, bringing in Bobby Wagner,
Speaker 10: having Austin Eckler in the running back room, Brian Robinson
Speaker 10: being a bulldozing ram.
Speaker 2: Having Scary Terry at wide receiver.
Speaker 10: All of those things made Washington's situation so much better.
Speaker 10: And when you look at my situation when I came
Speaker 10: out as a rookie, I was with an owner in
Speaker 10: Dan Snyder and a head coach and Mike Shanahan, who
Speaker 10: were feuding. I did not know that at the time.
Speaker 10: I was just a young twenty two year old kid.
Speaker 10: But there was not the uniformity throughout the organization that
Speaker 10: Washington has now. And that's why I always say organizations
Speaker 10: and NFL teams screw up more young quarterbacks than they
Speaker 10: actually helped succeed.
Speaker 2: But she got to hit it at.
Speaker 10: The right time, and right now Jayden Daniels and Washington
Speaker 10: hit it at the exact right time. They take care
Speaker 10: of him. They've removed the dark cloud from the organization.
Speaker 10: Everyone style though, Roberts, No, but that's what you feel.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 10: But the style, his style of play, and where you
Speaker 10: play and who you're playing with all matters. That's what
Speaker 10: I'm trying to say. Listen, I can't go back and
Speaker 10: have Hololy Nada not hit me in my knee against
Speaker 10: the Baltimore Ravens. I can't do that. There's no way
Speaker 10: for me to do that. I think you could have
Speaker 10: avoided him, couldn't you. I mean he couldn't. He could
Speaker 10: have not hit me and the way that he did.
Speaker 10: But that's a conversation for another time. Okay, And I could,
Speaker 10: and I and Dan I could have done a much
Speaker 10: better job in my career of protecting myself.
Speaker 2: I think that's very well documented.
Speaker 10: I think what you'll see from Jayden Daniels if you
Speaker 10: watch the tape is that he has done a much
Speaker 10: better job protecting himself, getting down, sliding, avoiding some of.
Speaker 2: Those big I wanted to make. I didn't think it
Speaker 2: was fair to keep bringing you into this because I
Speaker 2: do think he runs differently. He is protecting himself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there were times when you took on contact, but I'm
Speaker 2: watching Jaydan Daniels not going well, when's he gonna be
Speaker 2: RG three? Because I think you guys, while having similar traits,
Speaker 2: you're different quarterbacks and it's a different era, it's a
Speaker 2: different organization. So that's the only reason why I brought
Speaker 2: that up.
Speaker 10: By no, no, I not not rup Sorry, show my bet.
Speaker 10: I'm saying that his style of play and how he's
Speaker 10: utilized matters. Okay, this is this is about Jaydon Daniels.
Speaker 2: This is not.
Speaker 10: About me, but all of those factors that went into
Speaker 10: why where I was playing and what was going on and.
Speaker 2: How I was utilized matter.
Speaker 10: Cliff Kingsbury is utilizing Jade and Daniels better than I
Speaker 10: was utilized when I was a young quarterback.
Speaker 2: And I think that matters and how they're doing it
Speaker 2: and the fields in better shape for Jaden Davis. That's
Speaker 2: a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 2: He's RG three. Check out his podcast out of Pocket
Speaker 2: with a with RG three on YouTube wherever you get
Speaker 2: your podcast. Great to catch up with you. Thanks associate,
Speaker 2: your brother, Thank you man. All right, we'll take a break.
Speaker 2: We'll come back. Last call for phone calls. What we oh?
Speaker 2: We got some breaking college football slash NFL news.
Speaker 1: After the break, Sure to catch the live edition of
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Speaker 2: Last golf for phone calls. What we learned this day
Speaker 2: in sports history? All to that forthcoming seaton. You want
Speaker 2: to wrap up the pole question results from the entire
Speaker 2: program if you can, Yeah, yeah, we can do that
Speaker 2: with sure.
Speaker 4: Candidate Dion Sanders is a candidate for the Cowboys head
Speaker 4: coaching job or maneuvering a big contract extension from Colorado.
Speaker 4: It's an A or B pole question right now, most
Speaker 4: people believe he's just trying to get a contract extension
Speaker 4: from Colorado. Okay, we also have which fan base would
Speaker 4: suffer more if they lost the Super Bowl, Buffalo Bills
Speaker 4: overwhelmingly winning that one.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 4: And Tom Brady, being an NFL broadcaster and owner sixty
Speaker 4: seven percent, has that as a conflict of interest and
Speaker 4: I agree with that as well.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, that's the pole question results. Thank you for participating.
Speaker 2: We'll get to phone calls coming up. Let me see. Oh,
Speaker 2: here's the news, Quinn Ewers is it is going pro.
Speaker 2: He is making it official now. Prior to the Bowl
Speaker 2: game against Ohio State, he sat down with Pete Thamill
Speaker 2: and said that he was going to declare for the
Speaker 2: NFL Draft. I don't think this is breaking news because
Speaker 2: it was news. It was breaking news before this reiterates
Speaker 2: the breaking news that he's decided. There was talk that
Speaker 2: he was going to maybe transfer, but he told Pete
Speaker 2: Tamil prior to the game against Ohio State that he
Speaker 2: was going to go to the NFL, which was surprising.
Speaker 2: I was told that his price tag was maybe a
Speaker 2: little too rich for Notre Dame, that they were talking
Speaker 2: about a six million dollar a year in ILFI for
Speaker 2: him to go in and take over for Riley Leonard.
Speaker 2: But I was told by a source that Notre Dame
Speaker 2: viewed that as too rich. Whether it got to that point,
Speaker 2: that's what I was told. But he'll go in. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he's the first round draft pick. You
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of quarterbacks, so that does benefit him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's the third best quarterback going
Speaker 2: into this draft. I don't know if he's the second
Speaker 2: third round pick. But Quinn Hewers, who is always going
Speaker 2: to be a trivial pursuit answer. He's the first nil guy.
Speaker 2: When you go back to when he left high school
Speaker 2: early to go to Ohio State, he got paid there.
Speaker 2: He's the first nil er.
Speaker 6: Yes, PAULI, I wonder, and I'm not being facetious, if
Speaker 6: he's going to take a pay cut to play in
Speaker 6: the NFL. Let's say hypothetically he could have gotten four
Speaker 6: million dollars from a school this next year. If he's
Speaker 6: the number one pick of the second round, over the
Speaker 6: course of four years, he'll make ten million dollars and
Speaker 6: average a two point five a season.
Speaker 2: If he's good enough to get into that first contract
Speaker 2: to get into the second contract. You know, that's why
Speaker 2: a lot of these players in college were one and done,
Speaker 2: not because they were ready for the NBA. They wanted
Speaker 2: to get into that second contract. And we're seeing what
Speaker 2: those numbers are. I mean, they're astronomical. You know, when
Speaker 2: you're going to be paid thirty forty million dollars, you
Speaker 2: want to get in as soon as you can. But
Speaker 2: quin Yours, I don't know if he is a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 2: doesn't feel that way. But and then I think Carson
Speaker 2: Beck Alabama thought that he might be willing to transfer
Speaker 2: there he you know, since going to Miami. His girlfriend
Speaker 2: is on the basketball team, and so I think that
Speaker 2: that factored in. Also, I think they're paying him four
Speaker 2: million dollars to leave Georgia. That's pretty good. Gay, I'm
Speaker 2: going to go to Miami, my girlfriend's on the basketball team,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna pay me four million dollars. Chances are
Speaker 2: I probably already graduated. So what do I do? Not much? Okay,
Speaker 2: this day in sports history, Paulie.
Speaker 6: Let's see, I just give you one, oh babe. Ruth
Speaker 6: signed a one year deal in nineteen thirty four for
Speaker 6: blank million dollars for blank thousand dollars nineteen thirty four,
Speaker 6: his last Yankee.
Speaker 2: K one hundred oh one hundred thousand dollars thirty five grand.
Speaker 2: It was his last all his last one. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 2: Let me see anything that I need to bring up.
Speaker 2: That the Packers beat the Chiefs in the first Super
Speaker 2: Bowl in this day nineteen sixty seven. Remember being in
Speaker 2: the living room and had my family there. It was
Speaker 2: a big deal, big deal. I think it was on
Speaker 2: two different networks, CBS and NBC. Todd what'd you learn today?
Speaker 3: RG?
Speaker 5: Three?
Speaker 2: We took two going forward over justin Herbert Seaton. What'd
Speaker 2: you learn? RG three? Good conversationalist? Yes he is, Marvin.
Speaker 2: You won't eat baloney still. Paul jim Nance is on
Speaker 2: the five oh one. Have a great day.