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Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Speaking of great bits, you know, it's not a great bit,
Speaker 2: Molly tax protesters. I was gonna say pedophilia, because, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you. You can't because we
Speaker 2: had just had some hard episodes. This has been a
Speaker 2: tough year, and we had some hard episodes specifically dealt
Speaker 2: with pedophilia and the German left and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do Kent Hooven, you know, something like wacky
Speaker 2: tax protester, sovereign citizen. It's not Kent's. He's not a pedophile.
Speaker 2: Maybe he might be. Actually it's kind of weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's an open question, Molly, people are asking. But
Speaker 2: you know what's not an open question the fact that
Speaker 2: the cold Open has done. Ah, we're back. We're warmed
Speaker 2: up from the Cold Open. And when we left off
Speaker 2: with Kent, he had started preaching a new gospel that
Speaker 2: Christians are immune to taxes if they just claim to
Speaker 2: be ministers. And anyone can be a minister. Now, this
Speaker 2: is not a law work. Partially, this is how the
Speaker 2: law works. Right, Churches get away with a lot of
Speaker 2: tax bullshit. They shouldn't, right, But there are things you
Speaker 2: have to do. You can't just say I'm mature. There's paperwork,
Speaker 2: and like they know, they aren't immune to taxes. For example,
Speaker 2: church payrolls still have to pay income tax. Right.
Speaker 3: You can't just walk outside and say I'm a church.
Speaker 2: I'm a church. It's not that simple.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now. In a letter Kent wrote outlining his beliefs for
Speaker 2: fans of his fifteen and a half hour lecture series
Speaker 2: on taxes, he marks the source of his break with
Speaker 2: the federal government as income taxes, which are communists.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 2: People occasionally ask me what I mean when I say
Speaker 2: and seminar part five of my Creation Seminar series that
Speaker 2: income tax and social security are voluntary. I only intended
Speaker 2: to point out the connection between evolution and communism. Everything
Speaker 2: Karl Marks, the father of communism, proposed in his Ten
Speaker 2: Planks of the Communist Manifesto eighteen forty eight was deliberately
Speaker 2: anti God and anti Bible. Since the graduated income tax
Speaker 2: was plank number two, the subject inevitably came up. The
Speaker 2: income tax system is one of the main ways to
Speaker 2: destroy a country and bring it under communism.
Speaker 3: I don't really know how we got here.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Molly. So the idea that there's ten
Speaker 2: planks by which communists destroy a society so they can
Speaker 2: take over is a common conservative bugbear to the present day.
Speaker 2: You can find people talking about the ten planks of
Speaker 2: communism all over the place. What they are actually referring
Speaker 2: to is Chapter two of the Communist Manifesto, which Kent
Speaker 2: did get right. It was written in eighteen forty eight right.
Speaker 2: The chapters titled Proletarians and Communists, and Marx does not
Speaker 2: lay out ten planks by which communists can take over
Speaker 2: a society, but he does describe the ways in which
Speaker 2: the revolution of the working class will, in his eyes,
Speaker 2: progress to raise the proletariat to the ruling class and
Speaker 2: win what he describes as the battle of democracy. Mark
Speaker 2: states that he believes that in most advanced countries, a
Speaker 2: victorious proletariat will engage in a number of activities like
Speaker 2: abolition of property in land and a heavy progressive income tax,
Speaker 2: which is number two on a list of activities he
Speaker 2: thought would be generally applicable, so number one. This is
Speaker 2: different from what Kent's saying. He's not saying this is
Speaker 2: how we destroy a society. He's saying that in advanced societies,
Speaker 2: when the proletariat wins the battle of democracy, they're going
Speaker 2: to do a number of things, and one of those
Speaker 2: things is a progressive income tax right to try and
Speaker 2: reduce income inequality, disparity in wealth roll.
Speaker 3: Marx wants to take your dinoh Land.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a bit different from what Hovid and these
Speaker 2: other guys claim is happening. It's also for people like
Speaker 2: to talk about Marx like he was some evil mastermind.
Speaker 2: He was like a like a journalist and a theory
Speaker 2: nerd who spent a lot of time. Well, I think
Speaker 2: these kind of things might happen, Like he wouldn't write
Speaker 2: the same things he wrote then today because he would
Speaker 2: be looking at a different world, right, Like he was
Speaker 2: kind of in their stuff he was wrong about in
Speaker 2: terms of predicting the ways in which he thought, you know,
Speaker 2: society would progress. It didn't like, obviously it didn't happen
Speaker 2: that way, right. Marx would not have been like, oh,
Speaker 2: everything I thought was wrong. He'd be like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you can't predict the future, you know, I
Speaker 2: was just laying out what I saw best based on
Speaker 2: my understanding of the world at the time. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: also don't think he's wrong that if we were to
Speaker 2: ever have the proletariat take charge in the battle of democracy,
Speaker 2: we should have a heavy progressive income tax. We should
Speaker 2: just have that. In general. It's a good idea.
Speaker 3: Girl. Carl would have said that Kent should pay his taxes.
Speaker 2: Caurl would have said Ken should be paying taxes on
Speaker 2: the millions of dollars he's making in dinosaur merchandise.
Speaker 3: Is still selling the dino merch I'm interested, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you can find some good anyway. Hon though,
Speaker 2: insists that FDR, who is of course a communist, forced
Speaker 2: income tax unconstitutionally upon US, and so as a result,
Speaker 2: Hovind resists the temptation to obey tax law and writes,
Speaker 2: I am not afraid of the I R S. I
Speaker 2: know the truth that have been set free. Oh you
Speaker 2: should be giving that's the number one thing you shouldn't say.
Speaker 2: And for the record, I'm very scared of the I
Speaker 2: R S. I pay my taxes.
Speaker 3: They send you a letter, like if you log into
Speaker 3: your account online, they send you a letter in the
Speaker 3: mail to be like did you log in online? Was
Speaker 3: this you? Look? That's fair enough? But I get the
Speaker 3: email ahead of time about like what mail I'm getting?
Speaker 3: And so I get this email, but like are sending
Speaker 3: am I?
Speaker 4: Am?
Speaker 3: I going to god?
Speaker 2: What did I do wrong? Are you coming after me?
Speaker 2: Did I accidentally like misplace a decimal point and lie
Speaker 2: about a deduction?
Speaker 3: I was so careful?
Speaker 2: Yeah no, And this is like again, this is the
Speaker 2: difference between somebody who claims to resist this, like hate
Speaker 2: the state, but does so based on like nonsense, and
Speaker 2: somebody who hates the state but also understands the reality
Speaker 2: of the state, which is like, yeah, I'm going to
Speaker 2: try not to go to prison for tax shit. I'm
Speaker 2: going to pay my taxes. And do my best to
Speaker 2: abide by the law, because that's not a fight I want.
Speaker 2: I'll take some fights. I'll pick some fights with the government,
Speaker 2: but not every fight because that's stupid, because you.
Speaker 3: Can't keep fighting if you're in jail for taxing.
Speaker 2: No, no, you have to be You have to pick
Speaker 2: your battles. It's a big thing government, like I'll focus
Speaker 2: on like I don't know, trying to make the police
Speaker 2: less heavily armed.
Speaker 3: God, God told me I don't have to do this paperwork.
Speaker 2: So yeah, not doing it. So and Kent does again
Speaker 2: the thing you're not supposed to do, which he's he
Speaker 2: has all these quotes where he's like, if the IRS really,
Speaker 2: you know, think, if the IRS actually has the ability
Speaker 2: to arrest me, they and come and do it, and
Speaker 2: they're about to.
Speaker 3: They will do It's they're like, oh really, oh really, Like.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Stab me guy, or they'll
Speaker 2: never hit us from over here.
Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people who are doing
Speaker 3: tax drawn don't realize is they don't come after you
Speaker 3: year one or year two. They wait. They wait until
Speaker 3: they have a.
Speaker 2: Very target coming after you for shoplifting, you know exactly.
Speaker 3: They wait till you hit that the felon your life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So for a surprisingly long time, Kent and
Speaker 2: his wife were able to sail by on this bullshit
Speaker 2: without getting clapped in irons. But eventually the man came
Speaker 2: for them, and in two thousand and six, Kent was
Speaker 2: charged with fifty eight tax related crimes, including two counts
Speaker 2: of willful failure to with old federal income tax from
Speaker 2: employee wages and forty five counts of structuring transactions to
Speaker 2: evade reporting requirements. He's doing shit like every time he
Speaker 2: withdraws money, he'll withdraw ninety five hundred dollars to keep
Speaker 2: it under the ten thousand dollars limit that he thinks
Speaker 2: the government can't pay attention to the small I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: if you if you have a thousand, ninety five hundred
Speaker 2: dollars with draws, what that says for the irs is, well,
Speaker 2: this guy's trying not to get on our radar, which
Speaker 2: means he's breaking some law.
Speaker 3: Like the teller that would normally have you fill out
Speaker 3: the cash Transaction record form, which is the form you
Speaker 3: fill out if you're making a withdrawal or a deposit
Speaker 3: of ten thousand dollars or more just because you're putting
Speaker 3: it in a ninety five hundred, like she's saying something
Speaker 3: to the manager that's getting written down.
Speaker 2: And if you know you can do that, I've had
Speaker 2: to do like when I went to Syria. I think
Speaker 2: I took seven or eight grand out because like it
Speaker 2: costs a lot of money to pay fixers and there's
Speaker 2: not cash machines over there.
Speaker 3: But if you do it ten times, but I did
Speaker 3: it one hundred times, it's not structuring to do it once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's that. That's what That's what they're talking
Speaker 2: about here. Now with any of these guys, it's always
Speaker 2: a little bit of a mystery. How much of this
Speaker 2: bullshit is them like believing the shit and how much
Speaker 2: are they just trying to get away with not paying
Speaker 2: taxes and they have to hold the lie because what
Speaker 2: else are they going to do? Colum A low Collum,
Speaker 2: I think so generally, whatever the case, Kent does the
Speaker 2: dumbest thing possible when he gets arraigned eventually for this
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six and he tells a US magistrate,
Speaker 2: I still don't understand what I'm being charged for and
Speaker 2: who is charging me? Now? One thing I'll say about
Speaker 2: our federal government is that, like, I don't think any
Speaker 2: that's ever a valid complaint because even if the charges
Speaker 2: are bullshit, it's always very clear who is charging you
Speaker 2: and what the charges are. You get that on a
Speaker 2: piece of paper. Right. He had an attorney at this
Speaker 2: point who would explain that to him. This is not
Speaker 2: one of the shortcomings in my opinion of the justice system,
Speaker 2: and Kent was adequately informed of what he had done wrong.
Speaker 2: There had been years of communication with the IRS prior
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It's just usually a surprise when you get charged with
Speaker 3: fifty eight tax cars.
Speaker 2: Right right. Shocked. Yeah, Kent's brain, I think, just kind
Speaker 2: of shuts down when they read out these charges because
Speaker 2: in his personal head canon of the constitution, none of
Speaker 2: this should be possible. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The court case winds on for about a year or
Speaker 2: a lot of that year two thousand and six, and
Speaker 2: Kent tries to delay it. He files frivolous lawsuits against
Speaker 2: the IRS for criminal trespass, which eventually earns him a
Speaker 2: charge for impeding an IRS investigation. Later that year, his
Speaker 2: dinosaur park gets shut down for refusing to get a
Speaker 2: building permit.
Speaker 3: I do not contract with the zoning administrator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't need to. I found in his
Speaker 2: article on rational Wiki, which is the best repository of
Speaker 2: all of the Kent Hovend lore. They write, quote Hovend
Speaker 2: claims that his decision to build without permits from the
Speaker 2: county is based on the Bible, questioning, does the Escambia County,
Speaker 2: Florida civil government have jurisdiction over a church of the
Speaker 2: sovereign God of the universe. Yes, they do. The Labia
Speaker 2: County clon when it comes to making a Bible park.
Speaker 3: Yes, who's inspecting this roller coaster? Key?
Speaker 2: Yeah. During a hearing, Hovind was marked by the local
Speaker 2: county commissioner with the response that scripture also says render
Speaker 2: rend of Caesar. What Caesar demand, and right now Caesar
Speaker 2: demands a building permit. And that's not a bad response.
Speaker 3: That's so good.
Speaker 2: I mean that is I will say, people talk a lot.
Speaker 2: What would Jesus Christ say. I think if he came
Speaker 2: back and a guy was like, look, we just need
Speaker 2: him to get a permit before he lets children onto rides,
Speaker 2: Jesus would be like, well, yeah, okay, that seems reasonable,
Speaker 2: especially since again he's going to kill a seven year
Speaker 2: old Later on in this episode, don't worry, it's on
Speaker 2: his next park. So that same year, he gets charged
Speaker 2: by the tax court for failing to pay income tax.
Speaker 2: As you can imagine, he doesn't respond well to this,
Speaker 2: and once things go to court, it all goes disastrously
Speaker 2: for Kent. He is convicted of all of the tax
Speaker 2: fraud and held in jail while he awaits sentencing. One
Speaker 2: local paper reports that he ran up eight hours of
Speaker 2: calls per week during the time he was in jail,
Speaker 2: which I think is meant to make him sound like
Speaker 2: a crazy person, but that actually sounds reasonable to me.
Speaker 3: It's like an hour a Day's an hour a day.
Speaker 2: I think they're kind of be an unfair to can't here,
Speaker 2: that's a print. Seems like a pretty normal amount of
Speaker 2: time to want to be on the phone when you're
Speaker 2: like the kid's a wife and a lawyer, right right right,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not. I don't think that's actually an unreasonable amount.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, during sentencing, he threatened the judge
Speaker 2: and prosecutor, claiming their case against him was illegal and
Speaker 2: he was going to make their lives miserable in revenge,
Speaker 2: which again not a great call.
Speaker 3: They love that. Yeah, they love being judges.
Speaker 2: Loved that judges. That's every judge's favorite thing is being
Speaker 2: personally threatened by a defendant.
Speaker 3: Surprised he didn't catch a new charge for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh and too well, he had a lot going on.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and seven, he gets sentenced to ten
Speaker 2: years in prison and is sent to a federal prison
Speaker 2: camp or it's just called Federal prison camp in Pensacola.
Speaker 2: That's a scary name. But this is actually a minimum
Speaker 2: security facility at least.
Speaker 3: Close to home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's close to his friends and family, like within
Speaker 2: kind of our car seral system. He does not get
Speaker 2: the harshest kind of thing he could get.
Speaker 3: No, he's in tax jail.
Speaker 2: He's in tax jail. He does serve his time. He
Speaker 2: does about nine years, and he definitely did the crime.
Speaker 2: But this was not to be the end of the
Speaker 2: Kentoven's story, just the beginning, or at least like up
Speaker 2: to the middle part. While he was locked up, the
Speaker 2: government put leans on a bunch of property he purchased
Speaker 2: with his untaxed creationist gains. His wife served two years
Speaker 2: and then divorced him. Kent fought the government from prison,
Speaker 2: retaining a lawyer named Glenn Stole, And of course Glynn
Speaker 2: is as much a lawyer as I am.
Speaker 3: He was actually.
Speaker 2: Affiliated with a Christian cult called the Embassy of Heaven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, Molly, of course, there's there's so many
Speaker 2: fun little little cults in the Kins Store.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm inside the Consulate. The iris can never
Speaker 3: get me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is. That is basically what they're doing, right
Speaker 2: is they're like, as the Embassy of Heaven, we can
Speaker 2: hand out stuff like driver's licenses and passports and the
Speaker 2: real government there of course, based in Oregon. They're the
Speaker 2: leader of the Embassy of Heaven. The founder is a
Speaker 2: former computer systems analyst who calls himself Paul Revere.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'm there.
Speaker 2: It's so mad. It's all the good shit right there, baby. Now.
Speaker 2: Because Glenn doesn't really know how the law works, none
Speaker 2: of his motions do anything, nor does an attempt in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen by Kent to use what's called a biven's
Speaker 2: action to file a civil rights suit against the staff
Speaker 2: at his minimum security prison. Kent believed that this would
Speaker 2: launch a chain of dominoes that would see his conviction
Speaker 2: overturned and himself freed. But a federal judge rejected his
Speaker 2: claims and threatened to hold him in contempt of court
Speaker 2: for continuing to file false bullshit. In twenty fourteen, the
Speaker 2: year before he was set to be freed, Hovind was
Speaker 2: indicted by a grand jury on two counts of mail
Speaker 2: fraud and conspiracy to commit mail fraud. In the Pensilcoli
Speaker 2: is doing.
Speaker 3: A mail fraud from prison?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I think because of mail fraud. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a terrible.
Speaker 3: Idea, but it's very funny.
Speaker 2: This doesn't again, is nothing many crimes and he you know,
Speaker 2: nine years is not a slap on the wrist. That's
Speaker 2: a serious sentence. But given the he should have done
Speaker 2: more time, given the number of crimes, Like anyone who
Speaker 2: is not a right wing Christian is doing twenty years
Speaker 2: for all this shit.
Speaker 3: Because that's a lot of money laundering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of crime. In an article for
Speaker 2: the Pensacola News Journal, Kevin Robinson wrote, quote, according to
Speaker 2: an October twenty first federal indictment filed against Hovend and
Speaker 2: Paul John Hanson, a Nebraska man known for his vigorous
Speaker 2: opposition of government tax and property laws, the duo has
Speaker 2: been charged with mail fraud and criminal contempt for interfering
Speaker 2: with the sale of Pensacola properties. Hovend was forced to
Speaker 2: forfeit as a result of the two thousand and six case.
Speaker 2: The indictment says that in twenty eleven, Hanson filed leans
Speaker 2: on nine of Hoven's forfeited properties on North Palafox Street,
Speaker 2: Cummings Road, and Onlyander Drive. In twenty twelve, the government
Speaker 2: was granted an injunction ordering that neither Hoven nor any
Speaker 2: agent acting on his behalf file or a tipt to
Speaker 2: file any leans notices, financing titles and claims of whatever
Speaker 2: nature to cloud the title of the properties. The following year,
Speaker 2: both Hovend and Hansen reportedly mailed additional documents disputing the
Speaker 2: ownership of the property. So basically, he has to forfeit
Speaker 2: a bunch of properties because of the tax fraud, and
Speaker 2: so he starts putting leans on the properties to stop
Speaker 2: the government from being able to do anything with them,
Speaker 2: which is like fraud. No, it does not work.
Speaker 3: And the court less who that injunction was just the
Speaker 3: court saying like fucking knock it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just stop this shit.
Speaker 3: Just knock it off. And he couldn't knock it off.
Speaker 2: He could knock it off, and they still don't really
Speaker 2: punish him further for this. Ultimately, Kent squeaks through this
Speaker 2: without additional sentencing, and he is a free man by
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. I think he spends like a year basically
Speaker 2: doing a parole sort of situation, so he's like fully
Speaker 2: off the hook in twenty sixteen. His first act after
Speaker 2: he gets out of prison is to create a YouTube channel. Obviously,
Speaker 2: of course, get back to video, baby, pivot right back
Speaker 2: to video. It has like two hundred thousand followers at
Speaker 2: its peak. It's since been removed, and he is on
Speaker 2: Rumble now.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can't see that one.
Speaker 2: Rumbles the right place for him. He is not as
Speaker 2: popular on Rumble.
Speaker 3: Is he on bandt video?
Speaker 2: I don't think he's on Bandot video, but I didn't
Speaker 2: really look. Kent's arguments by this point had evolved into
Speaker 2: what he humbly calls the Hoven theory, which argues that
Speaker 2: dinosaurs and humans live together. At one point during this
Speaker 2: Edenic period, even carnivorous dinosaurs were vegetarians, a trait they
Speaker 2: lost once and Eve fell from grace. Hovid has taken
Speaker 2: some flak from flat earths who agree with aspects of
Speaker 2: his theory but are angry that he is not a
Speaker 2: flat earther. For his part, his theory includes the idea
Speaker 2: that God kept up a sort of vapor barrier to
Speaker 2: protect the Earth until Adam and Eve were forced out
Speaker 2: of paradise. When this happened, ice meteors hit the Earth
Speaker 2: and shattered fragments from one meteor caused impact craters on
Speaker 2: the Moon. Right now, that seems like a weird thing
Speaker 2: to need to explain. Kent needs this sweaty explanation because
Speaker 2: one of the ways that we actually know the universe
Speaker 2: as old as fuck is that we can look at
Speaker 2: something like the Moon and see all of these different
Speaker 2: impacts over time, right, and you can kind of tell
Speaker 2: from that. It's part of how you can tell one
Speaker 2: of the things you can use to sort of tell
Speaker 2: how long it's been sitting up there, right, because you
Speaker 2: can see how often it gets impact and be like, well,
Speaker 2: it's it's clearly been up there getting hit by shit
Speaker 2: for a long ass time. Right. So Kent needs a
Speaker 2: way to explain how all of those impact craters happened
Speaker 2: at the same time, like one hundred years ago, right,
Speaker 2: it's a little more than that.
Speaker 3: I just feel like he's going to a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to, because it's non sense, right, It's
Speaker 2: very easy to see that, like, well, yeah, the moon's
Speaker 2: been up there a long time. There's just shit flying
Speaker 2: through space.
Speaker 3: Of course, it's yeah, dinosaurs didn't have sharp teeth until
Speaker 3: eve ate the apple. Then they got to get sharp teeth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's probably probably those meteors again, they carved
Speaker 2: off little chunks of the teeth, sharpened them up. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what meteors do. Now. I haven't wasted a lot
Speaker 2: of time in these episodes arguing logic with Kent's nonsense,
Speaker 2: because I see little point. But this is a perfect example.
Speaker 2: You don't really need to go point by point there.
Speaker 2: You can find hundreds. You could spend a whole week
Speaker 2: reading nothing but people breaking down every argument this man
Speaker 2: has ever made, and a lot of them are actual scientists.
Speaker 2: But that's not really necessary, right, we know this is nonsense.
Speaker 2: I think this hit some of this nonsense. The shit
Speaker 2: about the vapor barrier is good evidence of why he's
Speaker 2: not super popular even with creationists. Kent has actually spent
Speaker 2: most of the last twenty years arguing with more mainstream
Speaker 2: creationist thinkers like Carl Wiland. And this seems to be
Speaker 2: due to the fact that a lot of the arguments
Speaker 2: Kent makes are easy to debunk. Right, these guys are
Speaker 2: all creationists, but there are creationists like Wiland. For a
Speaker 2: long time would be like Hovid is fraudulent because he's
Speaker 2: a bad creationist. He's doing a bad job of making
Speaker 2: these arguments and it makes us look stupid.
Speaker 3: Why didn't he read some books in prison?
Speaker 2: I think he probably wrote some books in prison. I
Speaker 2: don't think he really reads one. Australian ministry split with
Speaker 2: their US cousins over a debate on Hovind, and ken
Speaker 2: Ham supported Hovind in that debate. By the way, he's
Speaker 2: the guy with a good fake Bible dinosaur park. Kent's
Speaker 2: new videos focused on the same stuff as his old
Speaker 2: mail order videos and lectures, arguing about evolution and evangelizing
Speaker 2: to the kind of people who find that compelling. He
Speaker 2: also continued throwing out challenges for debates to famous scientists
Speaker 2: and scientific writers like Dawkins and Stephen J. Gould. No
Speaker 2: one credible takes him up on this, but he's made
Speaker 2: a public offer of a quarter of a million dollars
Speaker 2: to anyone who could give empirical evidence for evolution. As
Speaker 2: I noted last episode, his definition of evolution makes any
Speaker 2: kind of good faith response to this impossible. He also
Speaker 2: notes that a handle of judges who he has never
Speaker 2: named or specified, would be the ones to decide if
Speaker 2: a proof met his requirements. It has become clear over
Speaker 2: the years that the only judge in this case is Kent.
Speaker 3: I think the only judge is God.
Speaker 2: Robert, Yeah, that's that's Mark, you know, God, Molly, and
Speaker 2: the sponsors of our podcast, who might as well be
Speaker 2: God to us, you know, sitting here, you know, looking
Speaker 2: down on their creation, up at their creation, their creation
Speaker 2: being this podcast. So thank you, sponsors. We worship you.
Speaker 2: We're back. So despite the fact that Kent's arguments are
Speaker 2: nonsense and all pretty bad faith, he does well enough
Speaker 2: to earn some serious fans. In twenty fifteen, one of
Speaker 2: them donates one hundred and forty acres of land to him.
Speaker 2: And by the way, folks, if anyone wants to donate
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty acres to the Behind the Bastards podcast,
Speaker 2: I don't know what we'll do, but we'll probably we'll
Speaker 2: get rated by somebody. I promise you that you know,
Speaker 2: send it on over and I'll get to work. I'll
Speaker 2: get to work, make cooking up something that'll be an
Speaker 2: entertainer news story. You're gonna get a good, like three
Speaker 2: part Daily Beast article out of what happens.
Speaker 3: Make your own allergy medicine.
Speaker 2: That's right. Maybe secede from the government to make our
Speaker 2: own pseudo fed an independent, pseudo fed based republic. Yes,
Speaker 2: this is the answer.
Speaker 3: Model first engineer, pseudo fed from meth that you bought
Speaker 3: from a biker to get back into.
Speaker 2: Great idea Molly from So this land that gets donated
Speaker 2: to him is about an hour and a half north
Speaker 2: of his old home in Florida. It's in Conica County, Alabama.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna again fuck up again and say Arkansas several
Speaker 2: times later in the episode Conica County, Alabama, sorry again,
Speaker 2: gas station drugs and I'm probably pronouncing that wrong, but
Speaker 2: I don't like Arkansas very much. Hoven created a new
Speaker 2: five oh one C three to hold the property and
Speaker 2: named it Creation Science Evangelism Ministries, an art colon Kent
Speaker 2: and al dot Com Alabama dot Com. Not long after
Speaker 2: he took possession of the property that says this quote.
Speaker 2: On a driving tour of the property, he explained that
Speaker 2: it used to be a gravel pit where sand, gravel
Speaker 2: and clay were mined. Because of that, huge sand dunes
Speaker 2: occupy much of the middle of the property. It's a
Speaker 2: popular place for four wheeling. Part of the property is
Speaker 2: wooded and crisscrossed with dirt trails. The main pond has
Speaker 2: a redneck water slide made from corrugated plastic tubing and
Speaker 2: a zip line from a sand dune on the shore
Speaker 2: to a light post stuck on a tiny island in
Speaker 2: the middle of the pond. At any one time, Hoven says,
Speaker 2: there are about twenty five people living and working at
Speaker 2: Dinosaur Adventure Land. We've probably had twelve hundred people volunteer
Speaker 2: to come help us build things since they first started
Speaker 2: work on the park in twenty sixteen. He said, people
Speaker 2: just call, they say they love us.
Speaker 3: Now, that's the hallmark of a great nonprofit is basically slavery.
Speaker 2: That's why God created the five oh one c. Three
Speaker 2: is so that you can have slaves.
Speaker 3: That's not legal. You do still have to pay people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Kent what he doing. Hes verges on a cult, right.
Speaker 2: I think it's actually a little more irresponsible because he
Speaker 2: lacks the kind of centralized control that cult leaders can
Speaker 2: sometimes use to mitigate the worst aspects of having a cult.
Speaker 2: He's like a cult leader who's too lazy to take
Speaker 2: full responsibility.
Speaker 3: He's the clockmaker cult leader.
Speaker 2: Ol Ron Hubbard would never Yeah, so Kent basically welcomed
Speaker 2: in anyone who dropped in for a lecture in a
Speaker 2: view of his Slapdash Dinosaur Museum. If they had like
Speaker 2: a trailer, he was like, you can live here, right,
Speaker 2: And he used them as free labor to expand his park,
Speaker 2: which is usually just called DL. And this led him
Speaker 2: to invite in a man named Chris Jones. And this
Speaker 2: is where the pedophile comes into the story. Molly Jones
Speaker 2: had an ugly record. No oh, this is the fascinating
Speaker 2: story about whether or not he knew Mollie Jones had
Speaker 2: an ugly record by the time he started hanging out
Speaker 2: around DL during the Trump years. In two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: he'd been working at a church watching a couple of
Speaker 2: young boys when he got in trouble hitting a seven
Speaker 2: year old who naked repeatedly on the butt He was
Speaker 2: convicted of battery for this. In two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: he started hanging out with a trio of children ages nine, eleven,
Speaker 2: and twelve. One night, he decided to play strip poker
Speaker 2: with them. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a quote from
Speaker 2: a court decision on the matter. Defendant produced a deck
Speaker 2: of cards and explained the game to the boys. He
Speaker 2: dealt the cards, told the boys who won to lodged
Speaker 2: steached hand, and directed the losers to take off some clothes.
Speaker 2: The boys did as instructed. Alexon remembered he and Anthony
Speaker 2: M stripped down to their underwear. Anthony M remembered only
Speaker 2: himself getting naked. Eg remembered the other two boys stripped
Speaker 2: him naked and took off their own shirts. There's a
Speaker 2: lot more there. It's a lot worse. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to read it all. You get the picture, right, Jones, honestly, just.
Speaker 3: Not fair, Like, of course you're going to beat the children.
Speaker 2: In yeah, yeah, you have more like there's a lot
Speaker 2: of reasons why it's bad. Jones was convicted of three
Speaker 2: charges of lude acts on children, and after this point
Speaker 2: he starts hanging out at Dall. Now you might think
Speaker 2: maybe old Kent know about his past, right, this guy
Speaker 2: shows up. Kent's not doing background checks on these people,
Speaker 2: these volunteer cult members, right, of course not. But he's
Speaker 2: not got him. He's not doing that.
Speaker 3: The Lord will handle it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Kent's attitude. And we know he actually becomes
Speaker 2: aware of this because of a guy named Billy Summers.
Speaker 2: Billy lives in South Carolina, kind of near where Jones lives,
Speaker 2: and he visits dal in twenty seventeen. Kent, unprompted tells him, Oh,
Speaker 2: we've got a guy who comes in volunteers here and
Speaker 2: he lives near where you live. And he gives the
Speaker 2: guy's name, and Billy gets in contact with that guy
Speaker 2: and basically Kent unprompted tells him, Also, he's a convicted
Speaker 2: child sex offender, right, so he Kent tells Billy that,
Speaker 2: but then it's like he didn't know. Yeah, but he's like,
Speaker 2: don't worry, the charges are bullshit. They're politically motivated, right,
Speaker 2: And then he goes on to argue Jones didn't even
Speaker 2: do anything bad. He was just playing strip poker with
Speaker 2: several children. Since when is that illegal?
Speaker 3: Oh, so he's not saying it didn't happen he's just
Speaker 3: saying it did happen, but it's.
Speaker 2: Fine, Summers, Summers recalls, Hoven says to him, Jones stopped
Speaker 2: at their underwear, so he did nothing wrong.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: That's that's really bad.
Speaker 1: I deeply hate all these people. They all fucking suck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this guy, this guy's like operating the jump
Speaker 3: asar or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what exactly he's doing, but
Speaker 2: he's quote unquote he volunteering. He's volunteering. He has informed Hoven,
Speaker 2: and Hovend, unprompted, is like, yeah, he's technically a child
Speaker 2: sex offender, but it's bullshit. He just just some strip
Speaker 2: poker with the boys, you know, the literal boys, like.
Speaker 3: An actual boys, boys, boys, very very good boys.
Speaker 2: Oh no, Summers, is I presume a guy with some
Speaker 2: presumable pretty intense religious beliefs. Otherwise why would he be here.
Speaker 2: But he was not so cooked that he was willing
Speaker 2: to listen to Kent's pedophile apologism and move on. So
Speaker 2: he goes at his credit, he goes home. He calls
Speaker 2: Kent to talk about Jones, and so he can record
Speaker 2: the call and get a recording of being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, this guy's a pedophile. Right. He eventually puts
Speaker 2: this up online. It becomes a whole thing in the community,
Speaker 2: and The Daily Beast, who reviewed a copy of the call,
Speaker 2: describes what happened next. Jones got a job at Bohemian
Speaker 2: This and this is him talking to Hovin. Jones got
Speaker 2: a job at Bohemian Grove. That's where they make all
Speaker 2: their plans for the New World Order, Hoven says on
Speaker 2: the recording. He got a job there and videotaped a
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff, and they wanted him in prison. That's
Speaker 2: why they That's why they arrested him for that bullshit
Speaker 2: strip poker charge. It was he was the New World
Speaker 2: Order trying to stop him from getting out the truth.
Speaker 3: Is not even a good lie.
Speaker 2: That is a that's a genre of guy. There's this
Speaker 2: dude who like started out as an anti Iraq war guy,
Speaker 2: which is at least a reasonable point and is now
Speaker 2: just a like Bishar al Assade never did anything wrong,
Speaker 2: YadA YadA, nonsense dude who Scott Ritter, who is a pedophile,
Speaker 2: like has been convicted of repeatedly trying to fuck kids,
Speaker 2: and like everybody basically like it's bullshit, it's but they're
Speaker 2: trying to stop me from getting out the truth. Like
Speaker 2: even within that your bullshit ecosystem, there's plenty of people
Speaker 2: making those arguments who do not have pedophilia convictions, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was supposed to.
Speaker 3: Speak at that pro rush that like anti war rally.
Speaker 3: That was just a pro Russia rally last year. At
Speaker 3: the eleventh hour, they're like, finely won.
Speaker 2: Probably shouldn't have a literal pedophile.
Speaker 3: The pedophile will be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, man, it's a it's a and that is
Speaker 2: you know, I'll give them that, right, Like that's a
Speaker 2: that's a low bar. But like kicking the pedophile out
Speaker 2: eventually is at least better than Hovend does. I'll give
Speaker 2: them that. Summers is not convinced by Hoven's explanation about
Speaker 2: Bohemian Grove, and so he makes that YouTube video compelling concerns. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you give it. It's nice to know that
Speaker 2: they're Even within these weird communities of like Dinosaur adventure
Speaker 2: Land volunteers, there's people who are like, this seems wrong.
Speaker 2: I should probably spread the word about this.
Speaker 3: I believe that a child could write a Trice Era toobs,
Speaker 3: but should not be playing strip poker.
Speaker 2: Wil Man at least there's a line for you, some
Speaker 2: of you people, right. Hovind calls Summers after he puts
Speaker 2: this video up and demands the video be removed. Jones
Speaker 2: eventually gets into contact directly with Summers, and Jones tells
Speaker 2: Summers that like, yeah, it was the New World Order
Speaker 2: that got me arrested. My conviction was bullshit. It's always happening,
Speaker 2: he admits. He calls it a technical crime, and this
Speaker 2: is how he describes this is the bullshit technicality they
Speaker 2: got me on. It was throwing an eleven year old
Speaker 2: boy in the pool in his underwear. That's my big
Speaker 2: sex crime. Even if I am guilty, Hopefully the blood
Speaker 2: of Christ works. At least you're not questioning that the
Speaker 2: blood of Christ works. Man, we're all forgiven and cleaned up.
Speaker 2: Not a great argument.
Speaker 3: Just because God will still let you into heaven doesn't
Speaker 3: mean I have to let you into the children's theme park.
Speaker 2: Right again. I think that's the argument Summer is making.
Speaker 2: Summers is making right.
Speaker 3: Like, you can be washed clean in the blood of
Speaker 3: the Lamb, but you're still on the.
Speaker 2: Second you're coming out of my house. Yeah, elementary school
Speaker 2: on your list, right. The fewer Summers created around all.
Speaker 2: This even reached in the community of Bible weirdos who
Speaker 2: had chosen to live at DL. A lot of these
Speaker 2: people had brought their kids with them or had partial
Speaker 2: visitation rights with their children. Has more common, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's about right. And to their credit again, a lot
Speaker 2: of them don't feel good about this pedophile having free
Speaker 2: access to the property.
Speaker 3: In good for their custody cases, it's.
Speaker 2: Bad for a lot of things. In twenty nineteen, said
Speaker 2: pedophile visits again, and Hoven complained to his secretary that
Speaker 2: people were freaking out about it. A number of folks
Speaker 2: did leave, and this segment from that Daily Beast article
Speaker 2: makes it very clear why people were unsatisfied with Hoven's
Speaker 2: answers about Jones. Asked about Jones, Hoven told the Daily
Speaker 2: Beasts that Jones had done nothing wrong, either in his
Speaker 2: criminal case or at DL. He's come here to visit twice.
Speaker 2: I think never spends the night, Hoven said. But Jones
Speaker 2: did spend the night near DL during the November twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen visit. Oh, that's right, Hoven recalled, when reminded of
Speaker 2: the incident. They did spend one night here. They where
Speaker 2: Jones and a young boy who's na Yeah, yeah, eleven
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: He did? He just go lol.
Speaker 2: Oops yeah lol oops, Like oh yeah, okay, they did.
Speaker 2: There was that one time they.
Speaker 1: Stayed here one time, and it was.
Speaker 2: What kind of makes this an issue is that there's
Speaker 2: this lady shunk who is his like secretary basically, and
Speaker 2: she greets this pedophile and this boy on arrival and
Speaker 2: Jones is white and the eleven year old boy is black,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 3: She's like, not his son.
Speaker 2: Well, they don't look like they're related, you know, not
Speaker 2: that it's impossible for them to have been related, but like,
Speaker 2: they don't look related. This seems very sketchy.
Speaker 3: And also he probably wouldn't have custody of his own kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot that seems wrong with this. Hoven's
Speaker 2: assistant tries to Okay, well you're staying here, let me
Speaker 2: get you two separate bedrooms, right. Hoven intervenes personally to
Speaker 2: put them in a cabin on a neighboring property that
Speaker 2: DL has access to. The only bed in the cabin
Speaker 2: is a queen size mattress. His former assistant didn't claims.
Speaker 2: Hoven specifically wanted Jones in the eleven year old to
Speaker 2: share the bed. When confronted on this, Hoven insisted the
Speaker 2: child was emotionally unstable and just needed to sleep with
Speaker 2: Jones because he was scared. He told the Daily Beast,
Speaker 2: Chris is not a pedophile. If that's what you or
Speaker 2: anyone else's driving at.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm driving at. Yes I have I'm driving
Speaker 3: directly into it. It seems like.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of evidence that he's a pedophile.
Speaker 3: Like maybe the boy's emotionally disturbed because he's being trafficked
Speaker 3: by this pedophile.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Dabbies gets in charge with his mom,
Speaker 2: who you know, you get the feeling she makes some
Speaker 2: mistakes and we'll talk about her in a second, but
Speaker 2: she's like, he's not emotionally disturbed, Like now he might
Speaker 2: be like yeah.
Speaker 1: But also the secretary, you didn't think that was fucking weird.
Speaker 2: She makes a statement like I probably should have called
Speaker 2: the police, and like, yeah, lady, perhaps you should go.
Speaker 1: Girl what I'm not.
Speaker 3: A big fan of calling the police, but if I
Speaker 3: see a pedophile with a boy that doesn't belong to him,
Speaker 3: you have.
Speaker 2: To do something. Like the thing to do is not
Speaker 2: just be like, well, I hope it's fine.
Speaker 3: Enjoy the cabin.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What you don't do is be like, here's some
Speaker 1: fresh towels, have.
Speaker 2: A good time, enjoy your private cabin.
Speaker 1: God damn, you're enabling pedophilia. You're discussing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eventually this causes enough of an uproar that there's
Speaker 2: a meeting. But with the whole community of weirdos living
Speaker 2: on da l and most of them express disbelief and shock.
Speaker 2: That can't understand why they're unhappy with him.
Speaker 1: Right, your friend is a pedophile. You let him take
Speaker 1: a child into a cabin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And and Hoved responds to their complaints advanta,
Speaker 2: that's Chris. That's Chris's decision and the kid's decision. How
Speaker 2: people react to that is their decision. He's got a
Speaker 2: right to wrestle with a kid if he wants, and
Speaker 2: you've got a right to say, I'm not getting around Chris.
Speaker 2: He does not have a right to wrestle with someone
Speaker 2: else's kid.
Speaker 3: That's not a right. You know, that's not a constitution
Speaker 3: or the Bible.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you're getting that right from. Wow,
Speaker 2: he used to imagine like fucking Thomas Jefferson. And of course,
Speaker 2: the right to wrestle other people's children.
Speaker 3: Well, Thomas Jefferson might have felt that way.
Speaker 2: Actually, he himself had a thing for teenagers. So yes,
Speaker 2: as we'll be talking about in about a week. Oh good, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: good stuff. If you're wondering where Jones got access to
Speaker 2: this kid, it seems to be a case of his
Speaker 2: mom is very busy. She didn't know Jones's backstory. She
Speaker 2: worked at a boost Mobile and Jones was her manager,
Speaker 2: and he had like occasionally taken her kids when she
Speaker 2: needed like a babysitter basically, And this kind of evolves
Speaker 2: to him volunteering to take one kid to Dinosaur Adventure Land,
Speaker 2: and she claims that her son later confessed that Chris
Speaker 2: molested him. She does file, she files like a complaint,
Speaker 2: but eventually has to drop it. I don't think she
Speaker 2: has a lot of resources. I think it's just kind
Speaker 2: of a.
Speaker 3: I mean, she works at a boost Mobile.
Speaker 2: She works at the Boose Mobile, right, She's I don't
Speaker 2: know much about this lady. I'm sure she regrets it.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a situation where she really did not
Speaker 2: have the wherewithal of the resources to pursue this the
Speaker 2: way it ought to have been pursued.
Speaker 1: It's very sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a bummer. But you know what's not
Speaker 2: a bummer.
Speaker 3: Molly, Oh, these products and services.
Speaker 2: These products and services.
Speaker 3: They want molest your kids.
Speaker 2: They sure weren't that that that we make that guarantee
Speaker 2: except for the Washington State Highway Patrol. That's not ambing.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we don't approve all the ads.
Speaker 2: We do not approve all the ads. Look, we don't
Speaker 2: know who's gonna be on there.
Speaker 1: We don't approve most of the ads.
Speaker 3: So one of the might molester kids.
Speaker 2: It's not a We're never going to say one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Either way, but it's not a definitive thing.
Speaker 2: Let's let's just get right, let's get away from this.
Speaker 2: We're back. Ah. And it's good that we at least
Speaker 2: did the ad break there because now we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about that time a kid died on Dinosaur Adventure Land.
Speaker 2: In March of twenty twenty, a family with five young
Speaker 2: children came to visit DA l the prop as we needed.
Speaker 1: That time you give a date, I'm like, I'm like.
Speaker 2: Wait because this is way too recent, this is way
Speaker 2: to I was.
Speaker 1: Like, literally because the last four years the mask not mapping.
Speaker 1: It's a blur. But uh when you when you first
Speaker 1: started showing his videos, I was like, all right, this
Speaker 1: is this is an older video.
Speaker 3: It was the it's like this is.
Speaker 2: Now yeah, this is now yeah, I mean this spoiler.
Speaker 2: This guy's like family go. The last thing they do
Speaker 2: before COVID is go lose one of their kids ins
Speaker 2: or adventure Land. What a what a fucked up year.
Speaker 2: So the property features a good sized pond, which Hovid
Speaker 2: is quick to note they often use for baptisms. Something
Speaker 2: went wrong while they were playing in one of the
Speaker 2: little boys, a seven year old started drowning. Several adults
Speaker 2: rushed in and they pulled this kid out, but in
Speaker 2: the chaos, another seven year old boy goes under. The
Speaker 2: child is rushed to the hospital where they are pronounced dead. Now,
Speaker 2: in every entailed our article that you will find on
Speaker 2: dl Kent makes it clear he does not hold any
Speaker 2: insurance on the property and anyone who comes there is
Speaker 2: taking their lives into their.
Speaker 1: Own hands, right choice.
Speaker 2: I will say, this is the kind of tragedy that
Speaker 2: could have happened anywhere. Right. I went to a lot
Speaker 2: of swimming holes as a kid that are just out
Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, like shit goes down sometimes
Speaker 2: this would This isn't a.
Speaker 3: Swimming hole, this is a theme park because it's.
Speaker 2: Not really a theme park, like there should be a
Speaker 2: lifeguard or there definitely isn't. I don't think that's not valid,
Speaker 2: but like it's the kind of thing where like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the bastardry. I think the real evil here from Kent
Speaker 2: comes after this is negligence. Probably you can make that case. Sure,
Speaker 2: it's certainly a tragedy. Here's where it gets really fucked
Speaker 2: up on Kent's behalf right. So his secretary claims that
Speaker 2: he goes to the hospital with the family who is
Speaker 2: in the process of losing their seven year old boy.
Speaker 3: Oh, your lawyer would tell you not to do that.
Speaker 2: Here, they sure would. But rather than provide focus on
Speaker 2: providing comfort to the parents, he sees the experience. Is
Speaker 2: it an opportunity to advertise for his dinosaur park quote,
Speaker 2: and this is from his secretary.
Speaker 3: The child just dina, yes, because they already know about it.
Speaker 2: Alter coming back.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're No, that's not a customer.
Speaker 2: I'll just read the quest is walking around the hospital
Speaker 2: passing out ministry cards saying come to Dinosaur Adventureland. We'll
Speaker 2: give you tours. We're free, everything's free, come see us.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, doctor Hovend, you're supposed to be sitting
Speaker 2: with the father having sympathy for it.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Hey, guysnosaur park.
Speaker 2: I'm here because a kid just died there. But like,
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. It's not. It's free.
Speaker 3: It's free. It's free if you want to.
Speaker 2: You want to lose a child, this is the cheapest way.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: That's a joy.
Speaker 3: It's wild. Wow, that's not even good marketing.
Speaker 2: No, you want to distract attention from your dinosaur park
Speaker 2: after you kill a seven year old.
Speaker 3: And also, just like the people at the hospital are
Speaker 3: not the target demographic for a theme park. There's no hospital.
Speaker 2: No, but Kent knows there's It's never a wrong time
Speaker 2: to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So true in
Speaker 2: the Hospital of Jesus Christ includes dinosaurs. They're a load
Speaker 2: bearing part of the.
Speaker 3: Gospel, higher breathing dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: So, when questioned about this by The Daily Beast, Covid replied, yes,
Speaker 2: I probably did that. My business card has the Plan
Speaker 2: of Salvation. They're actually gospel tracks, so I do that
Speaker 2: everywhere I go. I'm trying to get people saved. I'm
Speaker 2: an evangelist.
Speaker 1: He goes on.
Speaker 3: It sounds like me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that sounds like me. He goes on to say,
Speaker 2: the father of the dead boy holds no grudge and
Speaker 2: loves our ministry. In fact, he even paid to build
Speaker 2: a gazebo on the land to honor his death side.
Speaker 3: Wow, why did you make him pay for it?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: So why didn't you build a gazebo?
Speaker 1: Kids, there's like so many I don't know the red
Speaker 1: flags this guy, this just oh say, it's so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, baffling. And this is after he went to prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is after prison. The new Dinosaur Adventure Land
Speaker 2: is much more elaborate than the first one. Kent eventually
Speaker 2: acquired an eighty foot tall dinosaur statue, the largest in
Speaker 2: the state of Arkansas. So that's okay. Yeah I didn't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that makes sense, Like I wouldn't expect Arkansas
Speaker 2: I have a taller dinosaur statue. Yeah, yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: really need no, honest, man needs those call dinosaur than
Speaker 2: eighty feet. Attendant succeeded one thousand people per year, though
Speaker 2: it is extremely difficult to get a clear idea of
Speaker 2: how many people.
Speaker 3: Visit this place. Not very many. Actually, yeah, it does
Speaker 3: not sound that much.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel I feel Robert. I do
Speaker 1: feel like we should show Mollie like a couple of
Speaker 1: pictures of what this looks like.
Speaker 3: Show me the dinosaur please people, Sophie, Yeah, I have.
Speaker 3: It's like none, none people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more people than should be visiting Dinosaur Action Land. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well I thought you were to say, like a thousand
Speaker 3: a day or like a week.
Speaker 2: However many people visit, you got to take one off
Speaker 2: because of the casualty rates.
Speaker 1: I've been looking through the Dinosaur Adventure Land. Uh, yelp page.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a it's a fun one. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: let me let me let me show you some photos
Speaker 1: so that you because you're like, you're like, it's a
Speaker 1: theme park, new.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look at that dinosaur. That's a good one, you know,
Speaker 2: surprisingly honestly surprisingly good. T rex head busting out of
Speaker 2: a building.
Speaker 1: That What's I think these are?
Speaker 2: Like? For how tall you have to be to ride them?
Speaker 2: You know, if your kid goes up to this point.
Speaker 1: On the dinosaurs, there's just you know whoa Anyways, that's I.
Speaker 2: Think that's a different one was.
Speaker 1: Going. That looks way too good for for for dinosaur
Speaker 1: adventure then. Anyways, Yeah, just wanted Mollie to have some visuals.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, it's always good to have visuals. So I
Speaker 2: think this park is less of a park and more
Speaker 2: of a tax dodge for Kent, who seems to spend
Speaker 2: most of his time there entrancing new female volunteers, marrying them,
Speaker 2: and then revealing himself to be an abusive prick in
Speaker 2: very short order. He has done this at least three
Speaker 2: times so far, after his first wife. Sometimes I've heard
Speaker 2: allegations that he drains financial assets from them. First, his
Speaker 2: second wife, Mary Taco met Tocco, met him in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen after, in her words, raising her five kids on
Speaker 2: his videos. So Mary may not have great judgment. She
Speaker 2: reached out to Kent at some point and spent six
Speaker 2: months communicating with him online. After this time, she traveled
Speaker 2: to DL and they got married, which lasted less than
Speaker 2: a year. In a Facebook post, she explained that the
Speaker 2: split had started when she realized the finances of DL
Speaker 2: were not quote above board. Given Kent's past, I assume
Speaker 2: this means he's back to committing tax fraud, probably stealing
Speaker 2: donor money to fund his lifestyle. When she brought her
Speaker 2: concerns to the DL board, which she claims Kent controls,
Speaker 2: she was pushed off. Sidney Lincoln, his third wife, claims
Speaker 2: that she also met him through his videos, which she
Speaker 2: saw while she was teaching preschoolers for what I certainly
Speaker 2: hope was some sort of Bible school in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: when she finished his video series, she moved to DL
Speaker 2: in a tent and wound up married a matter of
Speaker 2: days afterwards. I think by early twenty twenty, around the
Speaker 2: time that Little Boy died, she had started to see
Speaker 2: what she described as huge red flags.
Speaker 3: Oh really, really start he saw one? You saw flag?
Speaker 2: The pedophile might have been a big one. The tax
Speaker 2: fraud honestly might have been one. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: red flags in Ken's life. He's mostly red flags.
Speaker 1: Really, everybody needs that one Froe that's like hey girl, yeah,
Speaker 1: hey girl, Hey.
Speaker 2: Girl, don't marry the dinosaur man. Who's best friend this pedophile?
Speaker 1: Hey girl?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So things degenerated between them over the course of
Speaker 2: that first COVID year, and by the end of the
Speaker 2: year he had graduated to physical abuse, body slamming Lincoln
Speaker 2: badly enough that she had to go to the er
Speaker 2: and received a protective order against him. Hovind himself was
Speaker 2: recording audio of this moment. I think he thought that
Speaker 2: the audio. He claims it's because the audio makes it
Speaker 2: clear that Lincoln's bipolar, And like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: she is or not.
Speaker 3: Classic if you're not a law classic move right, illgal
Speaker 3: to beat your bipolar Which is so crazy.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to body slam someone because they have
Speaker 2: a mental illness. That's not in the law books. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just a crime. In twenty twenty one, and again
Speaker 2: I don't know that she I'm not saying she is.
Speaker 2: That's what his claim is. I'm just saying it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even matter. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. In twenty twenty one, he was convicted of domestic violence.
Speaker 2: His second wife actually testified in Cindy's defense and claimed
Speaker 2: in court that she had seen Kent't body slam a
Speaker 2: thirteen year old boy.
Speaker 3: She wrote on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Later, several of us w horror as he attacked this
Speaker 2: young boy, Like he went insane. It was very scary.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be laughing, but like that's such a wild.
Speaker 3: Thing to do.
Speaker 1: Once again, if there's several of you around and there's
Speaker 1: one dude attacking one young boy, several let me.
Speaker 2: Stop him from body slabbing that kid.
Speaker 1: Several of you could do a thing.
Speaker 2: I think the action could have been taken against Kent
Speaker 2: at an earlier point than this.
Speaker 3: Perhaps we're a lot of a lot of sort of
Speaker 3: forked paths here, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what did you say, some red flas.
Speaker 3: Some residl slighting doors mode couple three.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That same year, one of his former residents went
Speaker 2: public with allegations that Kent fraudulently entered into a trust
Speaker 2: with him in d L's name, and then broke that trust,
Speaker 2: taking something like one hundred thousand dollars. This person committed
Speaker 2: suicide in twenty twenty two, and Hoven has denied that
Speaker 2: any such trust exists. It remains unclear to me the
Speaker 2: precise nature of Kent's marital status, based on claims he's
Speaker 2: made publicly. He is now on his fourth wife in
Speaker 2: roughly five years. Tuco, who seems to be the most
Speaker 2: activist of his ex wives, published an open letter to
Speaker 2: his fourth wife on Facebook and claimed he is legally
Speaker 2: married to Cindy and possibly me. Still, that is a
Speaker 2: felony charge.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 2: I don't what to be mean to you because he
Speaker 2: sunds like you've been through a lot. But how are
Speaker 2: you not sure this.
Speaker 3: Is actually this? I have looked into this. This is
Speaker 3: more common than people realize. Where they think they are divorced.
Speaker 3: I mean they filed for divorce, but they have lost
Speaker 3: track of it. And when you get married, it's honor system. Baby,
Speaker 3: When you fill out that paperwork, you check a box
Speaker 3: and say, yeah, I promise I'm not still married to
Speaker 3: anybody else. Nobody's checking, nobody's checking. A lot of people
Speaker 3: are accidentally committing bigamy.
Speaker 1: Well, US government doesn't.
Speaker 2: I actually don't think bigamy should be a crime, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I also think there should be like a guy who
Speaker 2: checks to be like, all right, but is this like
Speaker 2: a fucked up religious thing or or is this just
Speaker 2: like a paperwork You just want to get a couple
Speaker 2: of different marriages on your under your.
Speaker 3: Belt, because you know a guy who does who says that,
Speaker 3: you know, God says he doesn't have to do paperwork.
Speaker 3: He probably isn't finalized it. He's probably not doing much. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because because when you finalize the divorce you have to
Speaker 3: pay the alimony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not doing that.
Speaker 3: No, not doing that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: So for his part, Kent's life is a monument to
Speaker 2: how much terrible shit you can get away with as
Speaker 2: a Christian Conservative. He only does thirty days in jail
Speaker 2: for that domestic violence.
Speaker 3: Charge and more than most people get.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, unfortunately this, Yeah, this is not like the
Speaker 2: least punishment I've heard of for something like this. And
Speaker 2: the whole thing went down while he was in the
Speaker 2: process of filing a lawsuit against the federal government for
Speaker 2: his two thousand and six conviction. An analysis in Forbes
Speaker 2: notes it was based on the theory that the federal
Speaker 2: government did not have jurisdiction over Kent Hovend along with
Speaker 2: seventy six percent more or less of what we consider
Speaker 2: the United States. He was seeking damages for a conviction
Speaker 2: that had been upheld on appeal to the Eleventh Circuit.
Speaker 2: To get damages for an unlawful conviction, you have to
Speaker 2: show that it was, you know, unlawful. The appeal was
Speaker 2: ultimately dismissed to do to the fact that Kent couldn't
Speaker 2: get his shit together to file it on time. So
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 3: Classic tell me where he's getting this seventy six percent numbers,
Speaker 3: So like four percent of people who are subject to
Speaker 3: the jurisdiction might.
Speaker 2: Guess would be it has something to do with like
Speaker 2: the original boundaries of like the thirteen colonies or some
Speaker 2: shit like that.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yeah, So if you live in Maryland, get fucked.
Speaker 3: The federal government is coming state.
Speaker 2: Look, I've been saying for years, like most of the
Speaker 2: states aren't real, Like Wisconsin. Come on, you're gonna tell
Speaker 2: me Thomas Jefferson Wisconsin. Yeah, I don't believe in any
Speaker 2: of those. You show New Mexico to Ben Franklin and
Speaker 2: he's just going to vomit. He's going to vomit. You
Speaker 2: know he's going to be furious. So, speaking of vomiting,
Speaker 2: YouTube vomited kent up, which is why he has to
Speaker 2: be on Rumble.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know you're just champing, which is if you're not familiar,
Speaker 2: Rumble is like kind of right wing YouTube, and I
Speaker 2: know you're just champing it.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't work very well.
Speaker 2: Doesn't work as well.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say to get this clip up that
Speaker 1: you want you want me to show the listeners here.
Speaker 1: It was very annoying.
Speaker 3: Look at the very annoying look at the advertisement.
Speaker 1: It tells you to press skip ads, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: work till the third time because it's just giving you
Speaker 1: pop ups.
Speaker 2: It's Yeah, as you can see on the screen, the
Speaker 2: ad right next to the video is iver next in
Speaker 2: question mark, We've got you covered.
Speaker 3: And it's like a little case full of warm medicine. God,
Speaker 3: what else is?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Oh it's it's Robert.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, wait we should we should watch
Speaker 1: the let's.
Speaker 2: Watch this clip. So this is I just want to
Speaker 2: give you an example because like most of what he
Speaker 2: does is plugged for donations. So here's how he sounds.
Speaker 4: Today Friday starts our fishing tournament. I don't have my
Speaker 4: flyer about that. It's like a count out. I'm fishing
Speaker 4: as it's all free, okay. And then one thousand day
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Speaker 4: If you can't give anything, that's fine. We're gonna keep
Speaker 4: going anyway, as long as we can contact Sandra. What
Speaker 4: was it he I was supposed to tell people, call Sandra.
Speaker 4: If you're doing PayPal right, there are still some issues
Speaker 4: if you have automatic PayPal things set up. Callsandra, make
Speaker 4: Kurt going to the right place.
Speaker 3: You can't give him PayPal called Sandra, Call Sandra.
Speaker 2: I think might be is I'm sure it's not his
Speaker 2: next wife then his future wife, just based on his
Speaker 2: past precedent.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like the vibe though, where he's got
Speaker 3: he's like a low hasher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got his Hawaiian's chilling.
Speaker 3: He's chilling.
Speaker 2: He's pretty marginal on today's far right, thankfully.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What's his view count?
Speaker 2: Kind of like fifteen hundred of video, Like most of
Speaker 2: his stuff has trouble breaking fifteen hundred, So.
Speaker 1: In terms of far right YouTube rumblers, that's the.
Speaker 2: He's with the exception of the pedophile stuff, which I
Speaker 2: really was not happy to run into. This was a
Speaker 2: supposed to be a fun episode, like let's talk about
Speaker 2: this guy who sucks, but it's mostly wacky. Then you
Speaker 2: get the pedophile and the dead kid, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I guess these guys there's not really any fun ones.
Speaker 3: That's unavoidable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway, I hope everybody's found this to be
Speaker 2: like a nice cool glass of water.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Lightly, lightly, it's like a pedophile Lacroy.
Speaker 1: Robert Robert bummed me out at the end there, but uh.
Speaker 3: Look at her. Her head looks completely empty.
Speaker 1: She didn't hear she heard nothing, she heard nothing. Well
Speaker 1: she's gotten, really, she's gotten really good at.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have a dog or any
Speaker 2: other kind of adorable pet with me. I do have
Speaker 2: what is for me the good book Molly. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: my copy of Nazis and the Occult by d Skylar. Great.
Speaker 3: So you're having a good time.
Speaker 2: I'm having a great time. Yeah. I got it from
Speaker 2: Howells are there used book section. It's a it's a classic.
Speaker 2: I think this was published Is this this edition come
Speaker 2: out nineteen seventy seven by Dusty scar Ah. Yeah, these
Speaker 2: are the good ones.
Speaker 3: And then I dropped into the chat a photo of
Speaker 3: me at ken Hamm's Creation Museum riding the Tricerah tops
Speaker 3: with the saddle on really cool, I have to say you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, almost Nazis and the occult book.
Speaker 3: Well, everybody was like two thousand and nine maybe, and
Speaker 3: like I went. I went with my my college girlfriend
Speaker 3: and like we really thought that, like, oh, they'll be
Speaker 3: like there'll be other people there who are just like joking, right,
Speaker 3: Like there'll be other people there who just like China. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Everyone there everyone's.
Speaker 1: So serious, so serious about it.
Speaker 3: Was wearing an ankle length denim skirt and pushing a
Speaker 3: triple stroller. Everyone there was so serious it was about
Speaker 3: it was. It was a mistake. It was a mistake.
Speaker 1: Don't go wow, Mollie. Uh if people want to go
Speaker 1: follow you and your work, how can how can they
Speaker 1: do that?
Speaker 3: How can they find me? On the rapidly degrading Twitter
Speaker 3: dot com at Socialist dog Mom. I'm trying to get
Speaker 3: back into writing my newsletter, The Devil's Advocates on Ghost
Speaker 3: and sometimes I'm sometimes I'm making a little podcast on
Speaker 3: here every now and again.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's gonna be it for us here
Speaker 2: at Behind the Bastards this week. You know, go make
Speaker 2: a dinosaur statue, make it. You know what, Folks if
Speaker 2: you want to make me proud, if you want to
Speaker 2: you want to make eighty five feet me me a
Speaker 2: proud cult leader. Yeah, go to Arkansas and build an
Speaker 2: eighty five foot tall dinosaur. So take this away from camps.
Speaker 2: There needs to be a taller eighty one feet is fine.
Speaker 2: We just got to beat him, you know, this is
Speaker 2: how we can get some justice.
Speaker 3: Were tall the dinosaur, the closer to God?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just needed to be They just needed to
Speaker 1: be eighty one feet Is that eighty one foot tall
Speaker 1: dinosaur would would give us the way?
Speaker 3: You know, Brady one, I do, I will, I will.
Speaker 2: Email that journalist at at arkansa or at al dot
Speaker 2: com or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, this has been, this is this is it. This
Speaker 1: is the end of the podcast. Goodbye. Behind the Bastards
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