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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 2: back to Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of great bits, you know, it's not a great bit,

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Speaker 2: Molly tax protesters. I was gonna say pedophilia, because, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you. You can't because we

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Speaker 2: had just had some hard episodes. This has been a

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Speaker 2: with pedophilia and the German left and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do Kent Hooven, you know, something like wacky

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Speaker 2: tax protester, sovereign citizen. It's not Kent's. He's not a pedophile.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he might be. Actually it's kind of weird. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it's an open question, Molly, people are asking. But

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Speaker 2: you know what's not an open question the fact that

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Speaker 2: the cold Open has done. Ah, we're back. We're warmed

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Speaker 2: up from the Cold Open. And when we left off

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Speaker 2: with Kent, he had started preaching a new gospel that

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Speaker 2: Christians are immune to taxes if they just claim to

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Speaker 2: be ministers. And anyone can be a minister. Now, this

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Speaker 2: is not a law work. Partially, this is how the

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Speaker 2: church payrolls still have to pay income tax. Right.

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Speaker 3: You can't just walk outside and say I'm a church.

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Speaker 2: I'm a church. It's not that simple.

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Speaker 2: Now. In a letter Kent wrote outlining his beliefs for

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Speaker 2: People occasionally ask me what I mean when I say

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Speaker 2: and seminar part five of my Creation Seminar series that

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Speaker 2: income tax and social security are voluntary. I only intended

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Speaker 2: to point out the connection between evolution and communism. Everything

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Speaker 2: Karl Marks, the father of communism, proposed in his Ten

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Speaker 2: Planks of the Communist Manifesto eighteen forty eight was deliberately

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Speaker 2: anti God and anti Bible. Since the graduated income tax

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Speaker 3: I don't really know how we got here.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Molly. So the idea that there's ten

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Speaker 2: planks by which communists destroy a society so they can

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Speaker 2: You can find people talking about the ten planks of

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Speaker 2: The chapters titled Proletarians and Communists, and Marx does not

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Speaker 2: we should have a heavy progressive income tax. We should

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Speaker 3: Girl. Carl would have said that Kent should pay his taxes.

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Speaker 2: Caurl would have said Ken should be paying taxes on

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Speaker 3: They send you a letter, like if you log into

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Speaker 3: this you? Look? That's fair enough? But I get the

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Speaker 2: What did I do wrong? Are you coming after me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, And this is like again, this is the

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Speaker 2: but not every fight because that's stupid, because you.

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Speaker 3: Can't keep fighting if you're in jail for taxing.

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Speaker 2: No, no, you have to be You have to pick

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Speaker 2: your battles. It's a big thing government, like I'll focus

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Speaker 3: God, God told me I don't have to do this paperwork.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, not doing it. So and Kent does again

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Speaker 2: has all these quotes where he's like, if the IRS really,

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Speaker 3: They will do It's they're like, oh really, oh really, Like.

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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people who are doing

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Speaker 2: Very target coming after you for shoplifting, you know exactly.

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Speaker 3: They wait till you hit that the felon your life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So for a surprisingly long time, Kent and

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Speaker 2: evade reporting requirements. He's doing shit like every time he

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Speaker 2: And if you know you can do that, I've had

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Speaker 2: I think so generally, whatever the case, Kent does the

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Speaker 2: dumbest thing possible when he gets arraigned eventually for this

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Speaker 2: I still don't understand what I'm being charged for and

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Speaker 2: who is charging me? Now? One thing I'll say about

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Speaker 2: one of the shortcomings in my opinion of the justice system,

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Speaker 2: and Kent was adequately informed of what he had done wrong.

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Speaker 2: There had been years of communication with the IRS prior

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's just usually a surprise when you get charged with

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Speaker 2: this should be possible. Right.

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Speaker 2: The court case winds on for about a year or

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Speaker 2: a lot of that year two thousand and six, and

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Speaker 2: Kent tries to delay it. He files frivolous lawsuits against

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Speaker 3: Because that's a lot of money laundering.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you can't see that one.

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Speaker 2: to need to explain. Kent needs this sweaty explanation because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to, because it's non sense, right, It's

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Speaker 2: that's what meteors do. Now. I haven't wasted a lot

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Speaker 2: You don't really need to go point by point there.

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Speaker 2: But that's not really necessary, right, we know this is nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Why didn't he read some books in prison?

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Speaker 2: I think he probably wrote some books in prison. I

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Speaker 2: to anyone who could give empirical evidence for evolution. As

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Speaker 2: I noted last episode, his definition of evolution makes any

437
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Speaker 2: kind of good faith response to this impossible. He also

438
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,280
Speaker 2: notes that a handle of judges who he has never

439
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 2: named or specified, would be the ones to decide if

440
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 2: a proof met his requirements. It has become clear over

441
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 2: the years that the only judge in this case is Kent.

442
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Speaker 3: I think the only judge is God.

443
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Speaker 2: Robert, Yeah, that's that's Mark, you know, God, Molly, and

444
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 2: the sponsors of our podcast, who might as well be

445
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,719
Speaker 2: God to us, you know, sitting here, you know, looking

446
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,719
Speaker 2: down on their creation, up at their creation, their creation

447
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: being this podcast. So thank you, sponsors. We worship you.

448
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 2: We're back. So despite the fact that Kent's arguments are

449
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 2: nonsense and all pretty bad faith, he does well enough

450
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 2: to earn some serious fans. In twenty fifteen, one of

451
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,719
Speaker 2: them donates one hundred and forty acres of land to him.

452
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Speaker 2: And by the way, folks, if anyone wants to donate

453
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Speaker 2: one hundred and forty acres to the Behind the Bastards podcast,

454
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Speaker 2: I don't know what we'll do, but we'll probably we'll

455
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: get rated by somebody. I promise you that you know,

456
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: send it on over and I'll get to work. I'll

457
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 2: get to work, make cooking up something that'll be an

458
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Speaker 2: entertainer news story. You're gonna get a good, like three

459
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: part Daily Beast article out of what happens.

460
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 3: Make your own allergy medicine.

461
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 2: That's right. Maybe secede from the government to make our

462
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Speaker 2: own pseudo fed an independent, pseudo fed based republic. Yes,

463
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 2: this is the answer.

464
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Speaker 3: Model first engineer, pseudo fed from meth that you bought

465
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Speaker 3: from a biker to get back into.

466
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Speaker 2: Great idea Molly from So this land that gets donated

467
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Speaker 2: to him is about an hour and a half north

468
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Speaker 2: of his old home in Florida. It's in Conica County, Alabama.

469
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna again fuck up again and say Arkansas several

470
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Speaker 2: times later in the episode Conica County, Alabama, sorry again,

471
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Speaker 2: gas station drugs and I'm probably pronouncing that wrong, but

472
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Speaker 2: I don't like Arkansas very much. Hoven created a new

473
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Speaker 2: five oh one C three to hold the property and

474
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Speaker 2: named it Creation Science Evangelism Ministries, an art colon Kent

475
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Speaker 2: and al dot Com Alabama dot Com. Not long after

476
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Speaker 2: he took possession of the property that says this quote.

477
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Speaker 2: On a driving tour of the property, he explained that

478
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Speaker 2: it used to be a gravel pit where sand, gravel

479
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Speaker 2: and clay were mined. Because of that, huge sand dunes

480
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Speaker 2: occupy much of the middle of the property. It's a

481
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Speaker 2: popular place for four wheeling. Part of the property is

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Speaker 2: wooded and crisscrossed with dirt trails. The main pond has

483
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Speaker 2: a redneck water slide made from corrugated plastic tubing and

484
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Speaker 2: a zip line from a sand dune on the shore

485
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Speaker 2: to a light post stuck on a tiny island in

486
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Speaker 2: the middle of the pond. At any one time, Hoven says,

487
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Speaker 2: there are about twenty five people living and working at

488
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Speaker 2: Dinosaur Adventure Land. We've probably had twelve hundred people volunteer

489
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Speaker 2: to come help us build things since they first started

490
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Speaker 2: work on the park in twenty sixteen. He said, people

491
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Speaker 2: just call, they say they love us.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's the hallmark of a great nonprofit is basically slavery.

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Speaker 2: That's why God created the five oh one c. Three

494
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Speaker 2: is so that you can have slaves.

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Speaker 3: That's not legal. You do still have to pay people.

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Kent what he doing. Hes verges on a cult, right.

497
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Speaker 2: I think it's actually a little more irresponsible because he

498
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Speaker 2: lacks the kind of centralized control that cult leaders can

499
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: sometimes use to mitigate the worst aspects of having a cult.

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Speaker 2: He's like a cult leader who's too lazy to take

501
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Speaker 2: full responsibility.

502
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: He's the clockmaker cult leader.

503
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 2: Ol Ron Hubbard would never Yeah, so Kent basically welcomed

504
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Speaker 2: in anyone who dropped in for a lecture in a

505
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: view of his Slapdash Dinosaur Museum. If they had like

506
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: a trailer, he was like, you can live here, right,

507
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: And he used them as free labor to expand his park,

508
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: which is usually just called DL. And this led him

509
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Speaker 2: to invite in a man named Chris Jones. And this

510
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 2: is where the pedophile comes into the story. Molly Jones

511
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: had an ugly record. No oh, this is the fascinating

512
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: story about whether or not he knew Mollie Jones had

513
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: an ugly record by the time he started hanging out

514
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: around DL during the Trump years. In two thousand and one,

515
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: he'd been working at a church watching a couple of

516
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: young boys when he got in trouble hitting a seven

517
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Speaker 2: year old who naked repeatedly on the butt He was

518
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: convicted of battery for this. In two thousand and four,

519
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: he started hanging out with a trio of children ages nine, eleven,

520
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Speaker 2: and twelve. One night, he decided to play strip poker

521
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: with them. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a quote from

522
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: a court decision on the matter. Defendant produced a deck

523
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Speaker 2: of cards and explained the game to the boys. He

524
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: dealt the cards, told the boys who won to lodged

525
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: steached hand, and directed the losers to take off some clothes.

526
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Speaker 2: The boys did as instructed. Alexon remembered he and Anthony

527
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: M stripped down to their underwear. Anthony M remembered only

528
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: himself getting naked. Eg remembered the other two boys stripped

529
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 2: him naked and took off their own shirts. There's a

530
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: lot more there. It's a lot worse. I'm not going

531
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Speaker 2: to read it all. You get the picture, right, Jones, honestly, just.

532
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 3: Not fair, Like, of course you're going to beat the children.

533
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: In yeah, yeah, you have more like there's a lot

534
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: of reasons why it's bad. Jones was convicted of three

535
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: charges of lude acts on children, and after this point

536
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: he starts hanging out at Dall. Now you might think

537
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: maybe old Kent know about his past, right, this guy

538
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: shows up. Kent's not doing background checks on these people,

539
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: these volunteer cult members, right, of course not. But he's

540
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: not got him. He's not doing that.

541
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Speaker 3: The Lord will handle it.

542
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Kent's attitude. And we know he actually becomes

543
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: aware of this because of a guy named Billy Summers.

544
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Speaker 2: Billy lives in South Carolina, kind of near where Jones lives,

545
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: and he visits dal in twenty seventeen. Kent, unprompted tells him, Oh,

546
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: we've got a guy who comes in volunteers here and

547
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 2: he lives near where you live. And he gives the

548
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: guy's name, and Billy gets in contact with that guy

549
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: and basically Kent unprompted tells him, Also, he's a convicted

550
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: child sex offender, right, so he Kent tells Billy that,

551
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: but then it's like he didn't know. Yeah, but he's like,

552
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: don't worry, the charges are bullshit. They're politically motivated, right,

553
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: And then he goes on to argue Jones didn't even

554
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: do anything bad. He was just playing strip poker with

555
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: several children. Since when is that illegal?

556
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Speaker 3: Oh, so he's not saying it didn't happen he's just

557
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 3: saying it did happen, but it's.

558
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: Fine, Summers, Summers recalls, Hoven says to him, Jones stopped

559
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: at their underwear, so he did nothing wrong.

560
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: That's good.

561
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: That's that's really bad.

562
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: I deeply hate all these people. They all fucking suck.

563
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this guy, this guy's like operating the jump

564
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 3: asar or.

565
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what exactly he's doing, but

566
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: he's quote unquote he volunteering. He's volunteering. He has informed Hoven,

567
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: and Hovend, unprompted, is like, yeah, he's technically a child

568
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: sex offender, but it's bullshit. He just just some strip

569
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: poker with the boys, you know, the literal boys, like.

570
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: An actual boys, boys, boys, very very good boys.

571
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: Oh no, Summers, is I presume a guy with some

572
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: presumable pretty intense religious beliefs. Otherwise why would he be here.

573
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: But he was not so cooked that he was willing

574
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: to listen to Kent's pedophile apologism and move on. So

575
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: he goes at his credit, he goes home. He calls

576
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: Kent to talk about Jones, and so he can record

577
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: the call and get a recording of being like, yeah,

578
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: I know, this guy's a pedophile. Right. He eventually puts

579
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: this up online. It becomes a whole thing in the community,

580
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: and The Daily Beast, who reviewed a copy of the call,

581
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: describes what happened next. Jones got a job at Bohemian

582
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: This and this is him talking to Hovin. Jones got

583
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: a job at Bohemian Grove. That's where they make all

584
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: their plans for the New World Order, Hoven says on

585
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: the recording. He got a job there and videotaped a

586
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff, and they wanted him in prison. That's

587
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: why they That's why they arrested him for that bullshit

588
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: strip poker charge. It was he was the New World

589
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: Order trying to stop him from getting out the truth.

590
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: Is not even a good lie.

591
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: That is a that's a genre of guy. There's this

592
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: dude who like started out as an anti Iraq war guy,

593
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: which is at least a reasonable point and is now

594
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: just a like Bishar al Assade never did anything wrong,

595
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: YadA YadA, nonsense dude who Scott Ritter, who is a pedophile,

596
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 2: like has been convicted of repeatedly trying to fuck kids,

597
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: and like everybody basically like it's bullshit, it's but they're

598
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: trying to stop me from getting out the truth. Like

599
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: even within that your bullshit ecosystem, there's plenty of people

600
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: making those arguments who do not have pedophilia convictions, Like, yeah,

601
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: he was supposed to.

602
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: Speak at that pro rush that like anti war rally.

603
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: That was just a pro Russia rally last year. At

604
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 3: the eleventh hour, they're like, finely won.

605
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: Probably shouldn't have a literal pedophile.

606
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: The pedophile will be there.

607
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, man, it's a it's a and that is

608
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, I'll give them that, right, Like that's a

609
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: that's a low bar. But like kicking the pedophile out

610
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: eventually is at least better than Hovend does. I'll give

611
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: them that. Summers is not convinced by Hoven's explanation about

612
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: Bohemian Grove, and so he makes that YouTube video compelling concerns. Yeah,

613
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: you know, you give it. It's nice to know that

614
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: they're Even within these weird communities of like Dinosaur adventure

615
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: Land volunteers, there's people who are like, this seems wrong.

616
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: I should probably spread the word about this.

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00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 3: I believe that a child could write a Trice Era toobs,

618
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: but should not be playing strip poker.

619
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Speaker 2: Wil Man at least there's a line for you, some

620
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: of you people, right. Hovind calls Summers after he puts

621
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: this video up and demands the video be removed. Jones

622
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: eventually gets into contact directly with Summers, and Jones tells

623
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: Summers that like, yeah, it was the New World Order

624
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: that got me arrested. My conviction was bullshit. It's always happening,

625
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: he admits. He calls it a technical crime, and this

626
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 2: is how he describes this is the bullshit technicality they

627
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: got me on. It was throwing an eleven year old

628
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: boy in the pool in his underwear. That's my big

629
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: sex crime. Even if I am guilty, Hopefully the blood

630
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: of Christ works. At least you're not questioning that the

631
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: blood of Christ works. Man, we're all forgiven and cleaned up.

632
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: Not a great argument.

633
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: Just because God will still let you into heaven doesn't

634
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: mean I have to let you into the children's theme park.

635
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Right again. I think that's the argument Summer is making.

636
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: Summers is making right.

637
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: Like, you can be washed clean in the blood of

638
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: the Lamb, but you're still on the.

639
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: Second you're coming out of my house. Yeah, elementary school

640
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: on your list, right. The fewer Summers created around all.

641
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: This even reached in the community of Bible weirdos who

642
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: had chosen to live at DL. A lot of these

643
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: people had brought their kids with them or had partial

644
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: visitation rights with their children. Has more common, right, Yeah,

645
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: that's about right. And to their credit again, a lot

646
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: of them don't feel good about this pedophile having free

647
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: access to the property.

648
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: In good for their custody cases, it's.

649
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: Bad for a lot of things. In twenty nineteen, said

650
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: pedophile visits again, and Hoven complained to his secretary that

651
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: people were freaking out about it. A number of folks

652
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: did leave, and this segment from that Daily Beast article

653
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: makes it very clear why people were unsatisfied with Hoven's

654
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: answers about Jones. Asked about Jones, Hoven told the Daily

655
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Beasts that Jones had done nothing wrong, either in his

656
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: criminal case or at DL. He's come here to visit twice.

657
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: I think never spends the night, Hoven said. But Jones

658
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: did spend the night near DL during the November twenty

659
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: nineteen visit. Oh, that's right, Hoven recalled, when reminded of

660
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: the incident. They did spend one night here. They where

661
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: Jones and a young boy who's na Yeah, yeah, eleven

662
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 2: years old.

663
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: He did? He just go lol.

664
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: Oops yeah lol oops, Like oh yeah, okay, they did.

665
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: There was that one time they.

666
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: Stayed here one time, and it was.

667
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: What kind of makes this an issue is that there's

668
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: this lady shunk who is his like secretary basically, and

669
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: she greets this pedophile and this boy on arrival and

670
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: Jones is white and the eleven year old boy is black,

671
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: and so.

672
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: She's like, not his son.

673
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: Well, they don't look like they're related, you know, not

674
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: that it's impossible for them to have been related, but like,

675
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: they don't look related. This seems very sketchy.

676
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 3: And also he probably wouldn't have custody of his own kids.

677
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot that seems wrong with this. Hoven's

678
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: assistant tries to Okay, well you're staying here, let me

679
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: get you two separate bedrooms, right. Hoven intervenes personally to

680
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: put them in a cabin on a neighboring property that

681
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: DL has access to. The only bed in the cabin

682
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: is a queen size mattress. His former assistant didn't claims.

683
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: Hoven specifically wanted Jones in the eleven year old to

684
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: share the bed. When confronted on this, Hoven insisted the

685
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: child was emotionally unstable and just needed to sleep with

686
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: Jones because he was scared. He told the Daily Beast,

687
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: Chris is not a pedophile. If that's what you or

688
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: anyone else's driving at.

689
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: That's what I'm driving at. Yes I have I'm driving

690
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: directly into it. It seems like.

691
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot of evidence that he's a pedophile.

692
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: Like maybe the boy's emotionally disturbed because he's being trafficked

693
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: by this pedophile.

694
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, Dabbies gets in charge with his mom,

695
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: who you know, you get the feeling she makes some

696
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: mistakes and we'll talk about her in a second, but

697
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: she's like, he's not emotionally disturbed, Like now he might

698
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: be like yeah.

699
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: But also the secretary, you didn't think that was fucking weird.

700
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: She makes a statement like I probably should have called

701
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: the police, and like, yeah, lady, perhaps you should go.

702
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: Girl what I'm not.

703
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: A big fan of calling the police, but if I

704
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: see a pedophile with a boy that doesn't belong to him,

705
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: you have.

706
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 2: To do something. Like the thing to do is not

707
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: just be like, well, I hope it's fine.

708
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: Enjoy the cabin.

709
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. What you don't do is be like, here's some

710
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: fresh towels, have.

711
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: A good time, enjoy your private cabin.

712
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: God damn, you're enabling pedophilia. You're discussing.

713
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, eventually this causes enough of an uproar that there's

714
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: a meeting. But with the whole community of weirdos living

715
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: on da l and most of them express disbelief and shock.

716
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: That can't understand why they're unhappy with him.

717
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: Right, your friend is a pedophile. You let him take

718
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: a child into a cabin.

719
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And and Hoved responds to their complaints advanta,

720
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: that's Chris. That's Chris's decision and the kid's decision. How

721
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: people react to that is their decision. He's got a

722
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: right to wrestle with a kid if he wants, and

723
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 2: you've got a right to say, I'm not getting around Chris.

724
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: He does not have a right to wrestle with someone

725
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: else's kid.

726
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: That's not a right. You know, that's not a constitution

727
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: or the Bible.

728
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: I don't know where you're getting that right from. Wow,

729
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: he used to imagine like fucking Thomas Jefferson. And of course,

730
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: the right to wrestle other people's children.

731
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 3: Well, Thomas Jefferson might have felt that way.

732
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: Actually, he himself had a thing for teenagers. So yes,

733
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: as we'll be talking about in about a week. Oh good, yeah, yeah,

734
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: good stuff. If you're wondering where Jones got access to

735
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: this kid, it seems to be a case of his

736
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: mom is very busy. She didn't know Jones's backstory. She

737
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: worked at a boost Mobile and Jones was her manager,

738
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: and he had like occasionally taken her kids when she

739
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: needed like a babysitter basically, And this kind of evolves

740
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 2: to him volunteering to take one kid to Dinosaur Adventure Land,

741
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: and she claims that her son later confessed that Chris

742
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: molested him. She does file, she files like a complaint,

743
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: but eventually has to drop it. I don't think she

744
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: has a lot of resources. I think it's just kind

745
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: of a.

746
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: I mean, she works at a boost Mobile.

747
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: She works at the Boose Mobile, right, She's I don't

748
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 2: know much about this lady. I'm sure she regrets it.

749
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: It sounds like a situation where she really did not

750
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: have the wherewithal of the resources to pursue this the

751
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: way it ought to have been pursued.

752
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: It's very sad.

753
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a bummer. But you know what's not

754
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: a bummer.

755
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: Molly, Oh, these products and services.

756
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: These products and services.

757
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: They want molest your kids.

758
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: They sure weren't that that that we make that guarantee

759
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: except for the Washington State Highway Patrol. That's not ambing.

760
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we don't approve all the ads.

761
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: We do not approve all the ads. Look, we don't

762
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: know who's gonna be on there.

763
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: We don't approve most of the ads.

764
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: So one of the might molester kids.

765
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: It's not a We're never going to say one hundred percent.

766
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: Either way, but it's not a definitive thing.

767
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: Let's let's just get right, let's get away from this.

768
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: We're back. Ah. And it's good that we at least

769
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 2: did the ad break there because now we're going to

770
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: talk about that time a kid died on Dinosaur Adventure Land.

771
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 2: In March of twenty twenty, a family with five young

772
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: children came to visit DA l the prop as we needed.

773
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: That time you give a date, I'm like, I'm like.

774
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: Wait because this is way too recent, this is way

775
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: to I was.

776
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: Like, literally because the last four years the mask not mapping.

777
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: It's a blur. But uh when you when you first

778
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: started showing his videos, I was like, all right, this

779
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: is this is an older video.

780
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: It was the it's like this is.

781
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: Now yeah, this is now yeah, I mean this spoiler.

782
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: This guy's like family go. The last thing they do

783
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: before COVID is go lose one of their kids ins

784
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: or adventure Land. What a what a fucked up year.

785
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: So the property features a good sized pond, which Hovid

786
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: is quick to note they often use for baptisms. Something

787
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: went wrong while they were playing in one of the

788
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: little boys, a seven year old started drowning. Several adults

789
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: rushed in and they pulled this kid out, but in

790
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: the chaos, another seven year old boy goes under. The

791
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: child is rushed to the hospital where they are pronounced dead. Now,

792
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: in every entailed our article that you will find on

793
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: dl Kent makes it clear he does not hold any

794
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: insurance on the property and anyone who comes there is

795
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: taking their lives into their.

796
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: Own hands, right choice.

797
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: I will say, this is the kind of tragedy that

798
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: could have happened anywhere. Right. I went to a lot

799
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: of swimming holes as a kid that are just out

800
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, like shit goes down sometimes

801
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: this would This isn't a.

802
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: Swimming hole, this is a theme park because it's.

803
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 2: Not really a theme park, like there should be a

804
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: lifeguard or there definitely isn't. I don't think that's not valid,

805
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: but like it's the kind of thing where like, yeah,

806
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: the bastardry. I think the real evil here from Kent

807
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: comes after this is negligence. Probably you can make that case. Sure,

808
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: it's certainly a tragedy. Here's where it gets really fucked

809
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: up on Kent's behalf right. So his secretary claims that

810
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: he goes to the hospital with the family who is

811
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: in the process of losing their seven year old boy.

812
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: Oh, your lawyer would tell you not to do that.

813
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: Here, they sure would. But rather than provide focus on

814
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: providing comfort to the parents, he sees the experience. Is

815
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: it an opportunity to advertise for his dinosaur park quote,

816
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: and this is from his secretary.

817
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: The child just dina, yes, because they already know about it.

818
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: Alter coming back.

819
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 3: I don't think they're No, that's not a customer.

820
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: I'll just read the quest is walking around the hospital

821
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: passing out ministry cards saying come to Dinosaur Adventureland. We'll

822
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: give you tours. We're free, everything's free, come see us.

823
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: And I'm like, doctor Hovend, you're supposed to be sitting

824
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: with the father having sympathy for it.

825
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?

826
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: Hey, guysnosaur park.

827
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: I'm here because a kid just died there. But like,

828
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. It's not. It's free.

829
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: It's free. It's free if you want to.

830
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: You want to lose a child, this is the cheapest way.

831
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: I know.

832
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: That's a joy.

833
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: It's wild. Wow, that's not even good marketing.

834
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: No, you want to distract attention from your dinosaur park

835
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: after you kill a seven year old.

836
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: And also, just like the people at the hospital are

837
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: not the target demographic for a theme park. There's no hospital.

838
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: No, but Kent knows there's It's never a wrong time

839
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So true in

840
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 2: the Hospital of Jesus Christ includes dinosaurs. They're a load

841
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: bearing part of the.

842
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 3: Gospel, higher breathing dinosaurs.

843
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: So, when questioned about this by The Daily Beast, Covid replied, yes,

844
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 2: I probably did that. My business card has the Plan

845
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: of Salvation. They're actually gospel tracks, so I do that

846
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: everywhere I go. I'm trying to get people saved. I'm

847
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: an evangelist.

848
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: He goes on.

849
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: It sounds like me.

850
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that sounds like me. He goes on to say,

851
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: the father of the dead boy holds no grudge and

852
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: loves our ministry. In fact, he even paid to build

853
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: a gazebo on the land to honor his death side.

854
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: Wow, why did you make him pay for it?

855
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: Wow?

856
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: So why didn't you build a gazebo?

857
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: Kids, there's like so many I don't know the red

858
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: flags this guy, this just oh say, it's so.

859
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, baffling. And this is after he went to prison.

860
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is after prison. The new Dinosaur Adventure Land

861
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 2: is much more elaborate than the first one. Kent eventually

862
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: acquired an eighty foot tall dinosaur statue, the largest in

863
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 2: the state of Arkansas. So that's okay. Yeah I didn't know. Yeah,

864
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: I guess that makes sense, Like I wouldn't expect Arkansas

865
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: I have a taller dinosaur statue. Yeah, yeah, you don't

866
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: really need no, honest, man needs those call dinosaur than

867
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: eighty feet. Attendant succeeded one thousand people per year, though

868
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: it is extremely difficult to get a clear idea of

869
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: how many people.

870
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: Visit this place. Not very many. Actually, yeah, it does

871
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 3: not sound that much.

872
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel I feel Robert. I do

873
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: feel like we should show Mollie like a couple of

874
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: pictures of what this looks like.

875
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: Show me the dinosaur please people, Sophie, Yeah, I have.

876
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: It's like none, none people.

877
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more people than should be visiting Dinosaur Action Land. Yeah.

878
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 3: Well I thought you were to say, like a thousand

879
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: a day or like a week.

880
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: However many people visit, you got to take one off

881
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 2: because of the casualty rates.

882
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: I've been looking through the Dinosaur Adventure Land. Uh, yelp page.

883
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a it's a fun one. But uh yeah,

884
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: let me let me let me show you some photos

885
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: so that you because you're like, you're like, it's a

886
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: theme park, new.

887
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look at that dinosaur. That's a good one, you know,

888
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: surprisingly honestly surprisingly good. T rex head busting out of

889
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: a building.

890
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: That What's I think these are?

891
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: Like? For how tall you have to be to ride them?

892
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: You know, if your kid goes up to this point.

893
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: On the dinosaurs, there's just you know whoa Anyways, that's I.

894
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: Think that's a different one was.

895
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: Going. That looks way too good for for for dinosaur

896
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: adventure then. Anyways, Yeah, just wanted Mollie to have some visuals.

897
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, it's always good to have visuals. So I

898
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: think this park is less of a park and more

899
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: of a tax dodge for Kent, who seems to spend

900
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: most of his time there entrancing new female volunteers, marrying them,

901
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: and then revealing himself to be an abusive prick in

902
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: very short order. He has done this at least three

903
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: times so far, after his first wife. Sometimes I've heard

904
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: allegations that he drains financial assets from them. First, his

905
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 2: second wife, Mary Taco met Tocco, met him in twenty

906
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: sixteen after, in her words, raising her five kids on

907
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: his videos. So Mary may not have great judgment. She

908
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: reached out to Kent at some point and spent six

909
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: months communicating with him online. After this time, she traveled

910
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: to DL and they got married, which lasted less than

911
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: a year. In a Facebook post, she explained that the

912
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: split had started when she realized the finances of DL

913
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: were not quote above board. Given Kent's past, I assume

914
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: this means he's back to committing tax fraud, probably stealing

915
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: donor money to fund his lifestyle. When she brought her

916
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: concerns to the DL board, which she claims Kent controls,

917
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: she was pushed off. Sidney Lincoln, his third wife, claims

918
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: that she also met him through his videos, which she

919
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: saw while she was teaching preschoolers for what I certainly

920
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: hope was some sort of Bible school in twenty sixteen,

921
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: when she finished his video series, she moved to DL

922
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: in a tent and wound up married a matter of

923
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: days afterwards. I think by early twenty twenty, around the

924
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: time that Little Boy died, she had started to see

925
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: what she described as huge red flags.

926
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: Oh really, really start he saw one? You saw flag?

927
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: The pedophile might have been a big one. The tax

928
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: fraud honestly might have been one. There's a lot of

929
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: red flags in Ken's life. He's mostly red flags.

930
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: Really, everybody needs that one Froe that's like hey girl, yeah,

931
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: hey girl, Hey.

932
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: Girl, don't marry the dinosaur man. Who's best friend this pedophile?

933
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: Hey girl?

934
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So things degenerated between them over the course of

935
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: that first COVID year, and by the end of the

936
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: year he had graduated to physical abuse, body slamming Lincoln

937
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: badly enough that she had to go to the er

938
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: and received a protective order against him. Hovind himself was

939
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: recording audio of this moment. I think he thought that

940
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: the audio. He claims it's because the audio makes it

941
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: clear that Lincoln's bipolar, And like, I don't know if

942
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: she is or not.

943
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: Classic if you're not a law classic move right, illgal

944
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: to beat your bipolar Which is so crazy.

945
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to body slam someone because they have

946
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: a mental illness. That's not in the law books. Yeah, yeah,

947
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: it's just a crime. In twenty twenty one, and again

948
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: I don't know that she I'm not saying she is.

949
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: That's what his claim is. I'm just saying it doesn't matter.

950
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: It doesn't even matter. Yeah.

951
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. In twenty twenty one, he was convicted of domestic violence.

952
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: His second wife actually testified in Cindy's defense and claimed

953
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: in court that she had seen Kent't body slam a

954
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: thirteen year old boy.

955
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: She wrote on Facebook.

956
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: Later, several of us w horror as he attacked this

957
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: young boy, Like he went insane. It was very scary.

958
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be laughing, but like that's such a wild.

959
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: Thing to do.

960
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: Once again, if there's several of you around and there's

961
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: one dude attacking one young boy, several let me.

962
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: Stop him from body slabbing that kid.

963
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: Several of you could do a thing.

964
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: I think the action could have been taken against Kent

965
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: at an earlier point than this.

966
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 3: Perhaps we're a lot of a lot of sort of

967
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 3: forked paths here, right.

968
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what did you say, some red flas.

969
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: Some residl slighting doors mode couple three.

970
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. That same year, one of his former residents went

971
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: public with allegations that Kent fraudulently entered into a trust

972
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: with him in d L's name, and then broke that trust,

973
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: taking something like one hundred thousand dollars. This person committed

974
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: suicide in twenty twenty two, and Hoven has denied that

975
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: any such trust exists. It remains unclear to me the

976
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: precise nature of Kent's marital status, based on claims he's

977
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: made publicly. He is now on his fourth wife in

978
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: roughly five years. Tuco, who seems to be the most

979
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: activist of his ex wives, published an open letter to

980
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: his fourth wife on Facebook and claimed he is legally

981
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: married to Cindy and possibly me. Still, that is a

982
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: felony charge.

983
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: And I.

984
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: I don't what to be mean to you because he

985
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: sunds like you've been through a lot. But how are

986
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: you not sure this.

987
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: Is actually this? I have looked into this. This is

988
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: more common than people realize. Where they think they are divorced.

989
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: I mean they filed for divorce, but they have lost

990
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 3: track of it. And when you get married, it's honor system. Baby,

991
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: When you fill out that paperwork, you check a box

992
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: and say, yeah, I promise I'm not still married to

993
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: anybody else. Nobody's checking, nobody's checking. A lot of people

994
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: are accidentally committing bigamy.

995
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: Well, US government doesn't.

996
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: I actually don't think bigamy should be a crime, but yeah,

997
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: I also think there should be like a guy who

998
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: checks to be like, all right, but is this like

999
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: a fucked up religious thing or or is this just

1000
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: like a paperwork You just want to get a couple

1001
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: of different marriages on your under your.

1002
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 3: Belt, because you know a guy who does who says that,

1003
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: you know, God says he doesn't have to do paperwork.

1004
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: He probably isn't finalized it. He's probably not doing much. Yeah,

1005
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: because because when you finalize the divorce you have to

1006
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: pay the alimony.

1007
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not doing that.

1008
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: No, not doing that.

1009
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

1010
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: So for his part, Kent's life is a monument to

1011
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: how much terrible shit you can get away with as

1012
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: a Christian Conservative. He only does thirty days in jail

1013
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: for that domestic violence.

1014
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: Charge and more than most people get.

1015
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, unfortunately this, Yeah, this is not like the

1016
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: least punishment I've heard of for something like this. And

1017
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: the whole thing went down while he was in the

1018
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: process of filing a lawsuit against the federal government for

1019
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: his two thousand and six conviction. An analysis in Forbes

1020
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: notes it was based on the theory that the federal

1021
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: government did not have jurisdiction over Kent Hovend along with

1022
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: seventy six percent more or less of what we consider

1023
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: the United States. He was seeking damages for a conviction

1024
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: that had been upheld on appeal to the Eleventh Circuit.

1025
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: To get damages for an unlawful conviction, you have to

1026
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: show that it was, you know, unlawful. The appeal was

1027
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: ultimately dismissed to do to the fact that Kent couldn't

1028
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: get his shit together to file it on time. So

1029
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: that's good.

1030
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: Classic tell me where he's getting this seventy six percent numbers,

1031
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 3: So like four percent of people who are subject to

1032
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: the jurisdiction might.

1033
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: Guess would be it has something to do with like

1034
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: the original boundaries of like the thirteen colonies or some

1035
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: shit like that.

1036
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yeah, So if you live in Maryland, get fucked.

1037
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: The federal government is coming state.

1038
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: Look, I've been saying for years, like most of the

1039
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: states aren't real, Like Wisconsin. Come on, you're gonna tell

1040
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: me Thomas Jefferson Wisconsin. Yeah, I don't believe in any

1041
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: of those. You show New Mexico to Ben Franklin and

1042
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: he's just going to vomit. He's going to vomit. You

1043
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: know he's going to be furious. So, speaking of vomiting,

1044
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: YouTube vomited kent up, which is why he has to

1045
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: be on Rumble.

1046
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: Now.

1047
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: I know you're just champing, which is if you're not familiar,

1048
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: Rumble is like kind of right wing YouTube, and I

1049
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: know you're just champing it.

1050
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: But it doesn't work very well.

1051
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: Doesn't work as well.

1052
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say to get this clip up that

1053
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: you want you want me to show the listeners here.

1054
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: It was very annoying.

1055
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: Look at the very annoying look at the advertisement.

1056
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: It tells you to press skip ads, but it doesn't

1057
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: work till the third time because it's just giving you

1058
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: pop ups.

1059
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: It's Yeah, as you can see on the screen, the

1060
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: ad right next to the video is iver next in

1061
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: question mark, We've got you covered.

1062
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: And it's like a little case full of warm medicine. God,

1063
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: what else is?

1064
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: Okay?

1065
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: Oh it's it's Robert.

1066
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, wait we should we should watch

1067
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: the let's.

1068
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: Watch this clip. So this is I just want to

1069
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: give you an example because like most of what he

1070
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 2: does is plugged for donations. So here's how he sounds.

1071
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: Today Friday starts our fishing tournament. I don't have my

1072
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 4: flyer about that. It's like a count out. I'm fishing

1073
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: as it's all free, okay. And then one thousand day

1074
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 4: anniversary coming up next month. Yeah, Creation boot Camp coming

1075
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: up July third, fourth, fifth, and sixth. You got to

1076
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Speaker 4: come down for that. Love to have you for a

1077
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: bunch of speakers coming in and it'd be a really

1078
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,879
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1079
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1080
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1081
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 4: keep going. You can give a dollar a date. Okay,

1082
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: If you can't give anything, that's fine. We're gonna keep

1083
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Speaker 4: going anyway, as long as we can contact Sandra. What

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Speaker 4: was it he I was supposed to tell people, call Sandra.

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Speaker 4: If you're doing PayPal right, there are still some issues

1086
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 4: if you have automatic PayPal things set up. Callsandra, make

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00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 4: Kurt going to the right place.

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Speaker 3: You can't give him PayPal called Sandra, Call Sandra.

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Speaker 2: I think might be is I'm sure it's not his

1090
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: next wife then his future wife, just based on his

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00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: past precedent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I like the vibe though, where he's got

1093
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: he's like a low hasher.

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00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got his Hawaiian's chilling.

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00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 3: He's chilling.

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00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: He's pretty marginal on today's far right, thankfully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. What's his view count?

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00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: Kind of like fifteen hundred of video, Like most of

1099
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: his stuff has trouble breaking fifteen hundred, So.

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00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: In terms of far right YouTube rumblers, that's the.

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00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: He's with the exception of the pedophile stuff, which I

1102
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: really was not happy to run into. This was a

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00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: supposed to be a fun episode, like let's talk about

1104
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: this guy who sucks, but it's mostly wacky. Then you

1105
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 2: get the pedophile and the dead kid, and it's like, well,

1106
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: I guess these guys there's not really any fun ones.

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00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: That's unavoidable.

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00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway, I hope everybody's found this to be

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00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: like a nice cool glass of water.

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00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: Lightly, lightly, it's like a pedophile Lacroy.

1112
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: Robert Robert bummed me out at the end there, but uh.

1113
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: Look at her. Her head looks completely empty.

1114
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: She didn't hear she heard nothing, she heard nothing. Well

1115
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: she's gotten, really, she's gotten really good at.

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00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have a dog or any

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00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 2: other kind of adorable pet with me. I do have

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00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: what is for me the good book Molly. Oh, yeah,

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00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: my copy of Nazis and the Occult by d Skylar. Great.

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Speaker 3: So you're having a good time.

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00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm having a great time. Yeah. I got it from

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00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: Howells are there used book section. It's a it's a classic.

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Speaker 2: I think this was published Is this this edition come

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00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: out nineteen seventy seven by Dusty scar Ah. Yeah, these

1125
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: are the good ones.

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Speaker 3: And then I dropped into the chat a photo of

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00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: me at ken Hamm's Creation Museum riding the Tricerah tops

1128
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: with the saddle on really cool, I have to say you.

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00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, almost Nazis and the occult book.

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00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: Well, everybody was like two thousand and nine maybe, and

1131
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 3: like I went. I went with my my college girlfriend

1132
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: and like we really thought that, like, oh, they'll be

1133
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: like there'll be other people there who are just like joking, right,

1134
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: Like there'll be other people there who just like China. No, no, no, no, no.

1135
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 3: Everyone there everyone's.

1136
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: So serious, so serious about it.

1137
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 3: Was wearing an ankle length denim skirt and pushing a

1138
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 3: triple stroller. Everyone there was so serious it was about

1139
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: it was. It was a mistake. It was a mistake.

1140
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Speaker 1: Don't go wow, Mollie. Uh if people want to go

1141
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: follow you and your work, how can how can they

1142
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: do that?

1143
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: How can they find me? On the rapidly degrading Twitter

1144
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: dot com at Socialist dog Mom. I'm trying to get

1145
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 3: back into writing my newsletter, The Devil's Advocates on Ghost

1146
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: and sometimes I'm sometimes I'm making a little podcast on

1147
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 3: here every now and again.

1148
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's gonna be it for us here

1149
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: at Behind the Bastards this week. You know, go make

1150
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: a dinosaur statue, make it. You know what, Folks if

1151
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: you want to make me proud, if you want to

1152
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: you want to make eighty five feet me me a

1153
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: proud cult leader. Yeah, go to Arkansas and build an

1154
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: eighty five foot tall dinosaur. So take this away from camps.

1155
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: There needs to be a taller eighty one feet is fine.

1156
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: We just got to beat him, you know, this is

1157
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 2: how we can get some justice.

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00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: Were tall the dinosaur, the closer to God?

1159
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just needed to be They just needed to

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00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: be eighty one feet Is that eighty one foot tall

1161
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: dinosaur would would give us the way?

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00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: You know, Brady one, I do, I will, I will.

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00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: Email that journalist at at arkansa or at al dot

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00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: com or whatever.

1165
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: Well, this has been, this is this is it. This

1166
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: is the end of the podcast. Goodbye. Behind the Bastards

1167
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: is a production of cool Zone Media. For more from

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00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: cool Zone Media, visit our website cool Zonemedia dot com,

1169
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.