WEBVTT - Ep. 031 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:02.640 All right, let's jo up in you guys. Take it 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:06.920 easy on me, all right, I'll try no promises for 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.920 Dan though, you don't have to take it easy on me. 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:17.120 Welcome to another edition of the Meat Eater podcast. I'm 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.840 your honest to tell us I'm sitting in for Steven 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.959 Ronella today. We're coming to you from the ZPC West 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:29.160 offices in beautiful Bowsman, Montana. All Right, UM, I'm sitting 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:33.040 here today surrounded by a few of the reasons why 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.760 I love my job so much. And there are many 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.239 reasons why I love my job. One of them is 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.240 that I get to talk hunting with Steve know about 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.360 five days a week. A lot of people think that 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.240 would get old, but it does not. We just love 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:56.440 talking hunting together. Um. Every creating adventures as part of 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.360 my job description. It's just I love my job. But 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.279 I also love it because I get to work with 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.559 these fine people in this room right now. They're interesting, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:10.800 creative and thought provoking individuals. Um we have with us 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:15.280 Any Racer, ZPC West producer, Britney Brothers, ZPC West producer 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:21.000 and guest star on many Meat Eater episodes. Nicole call Tierry, 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.280 social media manager of Meat eater and most things ZPC 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.640 West and then Dan Dody, which is like the grand 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:33.119 who's like the grand Wizard of ZPC West, and many 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.280 more things I can't even get into right now. We 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:40.080 don't have enough time for that. But um, the reason 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:44.840 I have, we figured our topic today would be hunting. 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.840 I don't even know how to say it right, but 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:55.400 we're gonna throw it out there. Hunting with females, by females, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.240 female hunting, women hunting, however you want to put it. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.480 I just want to kind of discuss all that. And 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:03.960 at first I was a little nervous about it, like, man, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:09.080 I'm surround myself with these three like kind of very intelligent, 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:14.440 well well you know, knowledgeable, opinionated, you know women that 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.360 I was thinking, hold on, like, that's how my life is. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.880 Every day. I'm like an office with them that I 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.360 go home, I'm surrounding them, out numbered by women. So 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:27.400 I shouldn't be nervous in this situation at all. Um. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.440 And I think for me, just to why I thought 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.680 it'd be interesting, it's important for me to talk about this. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.560 It is because I do have two daughters, and you know, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.520 to me, for me to be a great dad to them. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.119 I think it's important to understand, you know, I try 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:46.200 to understand women females. Um probably helps with me being 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.800 a good husband too. And I also want them to hunt, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:51.679 you know, And so I think it's important for me 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:58.640 and many of our listeners hopefully to like understand the perspectives, thoughts, feelings, motivations, 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.720 all that stuff um from women hunters that surround women hunters, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.720 and uh, you know, it's just knowledge is power. So um, 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.359 that's kind of why I want to do this. So 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:11.760 first I kind of want to get you guys going 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.520 and just have you explain kind of like what your 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:22.200 background was to your relation to hunting before you were here, 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.200 and kind of what brought you to, you know, being 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.000 sitting here in this room today, and then what you 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:32.320 like your current introduction to hunting was, you know, or 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.640 if it wasn't like recent and it's not current, what 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:41.040 it was many many years ago, um, brittany here, I 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.760 got interested in hunting through meat either and before meat eater, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:50.440 I was completely anti hunting. Like I just I grew 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:56.920 up in the South, um where just as like generalization, UM, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.960 I thought hunters were just sort of redneck bubba's who 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.760 like to get drunk and shoot things. And even though 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.840 I ate meat growing up, like I literally never equated 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.000 the idea of hunting to meet UM, So I was 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.600 so super against it. And then you know started, you know, 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.080 went to film school and and started working at ZBZ, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.200 and at some point we picked up The Wild Within, 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.039 which is the original Meat Eater show, and I was 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.159 just like, oh god, we're doing a hunting show like 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.680 this is like we're so much better than this. And 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.400 then you know, had a big premiere party for a 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.480 while Within and Steve's buddy's you know, cooked up all 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.719 this awesome wild these wild game dishes, and I mean 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:39.279 instant like venison diplomacy, Like I was an instant convert 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:43.880 to hunting purely through the food. Um. Now I've been 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.920 working with you know, Meat Eater and Steve and these 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.200 guys for three years or so now, and like I 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:56.080 just I shot my first animal this past fall with 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.440 Annie who's here. UM shot my first rabbit with j 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.719 Honest who's also here this fall, and um and did 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.839 all shot too deer in Wisconsin. Um that was just 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.640 on the meter episode. So um and I have a 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.920 freezer full of meat now and I'm super stoked about that. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:21.839 That's long. Sorry. Yeah, UM, I come from a different background. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.039 I guess growing up in Ohio, it was really normal 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.480 to hunt white tails. UM, so I was definitely around hunting. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.680 It wasn't familial to me, like it wasn't something that 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:36.080 happened in my family. UM, but I had friends that hunted. UM. 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.880 I moved from Ohio in the middle of high school, 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.880 but I had actually signed up for a hunter's safety 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.040 class when I was sixteen, so it was something that 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:48.720 I was curious about back then. And then really in 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:52.560 between that point of being sixteen and into my kind 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:57.160 of mid twenties, UM, I was living in cities and 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.240 going to college and just in more urban areas, so 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.760 that exposure kind of died off. UM. I had friends. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:06.839 I went to Colorado State University, and I had friends 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.760 that hunted ducks, like friends with um like duck hunting dogs. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.960 But it was never something I was really interested in. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.400 Then moving to I came to Bozeman for a corporate 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:21.680 job in the fall, and UM, I mean just sort 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.680 of by default when you come to Bozeman, you end 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:28.400 up outside and I got into hiking, and UM remember 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.000 having elk for the first time in a couple of 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.720 friends houses and UM sort of being introduced to this 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:40.719 idea of UM hunting as a source of meat that 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.640 wasn't coming from the industrial complex. And that was really 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.359 that like really kind of got the UM motor going. 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.640 And then UM I did a backpacking trip on the 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.280 Continental Divide by myself, and actually I had this really 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.480 interesting moment where UM, I had been on the trail 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.800 for a few days, I hadn't see ninny people, and 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.840 I'm sitting at the top of this high field and 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.880 I just eaten dinner in the sun like set behind 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:10.000 the mountains, and UM cow elk walked into the field 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.920 in front of me, and UM she was followed by 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.840 a big bull and one by one, over hundred elk 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.680 came out of the forest. And it was really strange 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:27.760 because I froze and I realized, like on an instinctual level, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.600 I was like I am a predator, like it was. 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.560 It was just a bizarre feeling. And after that night 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.360 I decided that I wanted to hunt. And it was 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.120 something that kind of had come out of this like 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.240 just interesting moment. And I think all the different like 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.400 introductions of my friends leaving up to that moment um, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:47.040 and then, um, I was looking for jobs and on 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.560 gradulous I came across this ZPC position, which was like 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.200 so serendipitous, And by that time I was really curious 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:56.960 about hunting. I kind of made the decision that I 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.480 wanted to hunt, and um, just becoming a part of 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.040 the Meat Eater crew has totally giving me, given me 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:08.400 this incredible education in background, and I like, I feel 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.760 really privileged to learn from you guys. And then I 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.360 was able to hunt for the first time this past 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:18.160 season unsuccessfully. But um, I mean to me, I've identify 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:19.880 as a hunter now, Like it's something that I want 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.520 to do and it's something that I want to be 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.760 a good ambassador for. Can I ask you a quick question? 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.160 When you say you were sixteen you did the Hunter's 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.720 Safety What was it there that like piqued your curiosity? Um, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.600 I had a really close group my Uh actually, my 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.760 dad passed away when I was around when I was fifteen, 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.080 and he was a big We had a lot of 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:43.960 guns growing up in my house, Like that was really 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.880 normal and um, but I had never grown up shooting 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.240 or anything like that. But um, like throughout the time 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.600 that he had cancered up until the time that he 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.720 passed away. I had this really tight group of guy 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.920 friends and um, they were all hunters and they kind 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.880 of took me under their wing, and I like just 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.480 I don't know. It was it was Midwestern. It was 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.080 like very much like a community thing. And um, I 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.480 think like a lot of their parents kind of took 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.400 me and as like another kid, and it was just 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.520 I don't know. It came from this community of guys 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.040 that I was friends with, and um, there were a 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:21.520 couple of us that were going to take the hunter 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.360 safety class together, but we ended up moving before I 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:36.040 did that. My turn. I grew up in um Montana 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:41.520 and I wanted to be a veterinarian. And my dad 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.440 whenever we drive by like roadkill, I would like almost 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.840 start crying and he's like, oh, they're just sleeping like 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:51.760 to the deer. And I was believed him, and uh, 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.480 he started hunting. Um, he's not from here, but he 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.040 started hunting probably five years after, maybe two years after 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.640 we moved here. Um, dear and elk Um and got 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.280 a lot of stuff and we were always eating like 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.520 wild game. We had like a huge freezer in our 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.560 garage and my mom and dad made awesome wild game meals, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.719 and I think eventually I decided I didn't want to 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.480 be a vet and probably started realizing the deer weren't 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.360 always sleeping on the side of the road. Um. And 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.679 then I moved to vermont for nine years for high 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.040 school and college, and there's also a lot of hunting there, 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:26.720 but I wasn't as exposed to it, probably as I 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.680 was when I was living at home. And then after college, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.120 I moved to Los Angeles, um, and I don't think 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.240 I ever thought about hunting in the six years I 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.439 lived there. Um. And then I moved back to Montana 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.960 about a year ago and became friends with Brittany and 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:45.680 she told me short on this hunting show and I 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:49.840 was kind of like whatever, like not interested. And then 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.199 I'm like a freelance producer. So this thing came up, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:58.000 Um this summer, this documentary. I'm allowed to talk about that. Yeah, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.720 we're making a documentary, surementary. And they needed help. So 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.520 they called me and we met that it and I 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.160 was available and I was like sure, I'll do it. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.400 But I still wasn't really a convert, like I was 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.200 like whatever, like it's a job. Um. And then we 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.959 went to Alaska for two weeks um to shoot a 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.600 part of the dock with Steve, and it was like 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.160 probably one of the I don't know, most like life 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.320 changing experiences in my life, just like the hunting part 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:35.319 and just the crew and being on Alaska. Sorry I 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.160 confidentiality and stuff anyway, So um, that trip was just 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:41.719 life changing. And I'd always thought about like where my 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.040 food came from, and um, I read like some Michael 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.600 Pollit in college and I got into different kinds of 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.319 food movements. But after that I decided like I had 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.160 to kill something and eat it, like just so I 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.320 knew exactly where my food came from. So we got 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.320 back I think the first weekend of September, and like 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.920 two weeks later Nicole and I took Hunter's safety and 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.400 then I don't know, Brittany and I both killed our 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.560 first um dear like a few days in the hunting 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.320 season together. Back up for a second, when you were 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.839 on the trip in pow what what was was there 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.280 a moment or what was sort of like the actual 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.040 turning point? Can you remember or is it just sort 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:21.719 of the whole thing? Did you feel it when you 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:23.600 were there or did you feel it once you got home. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.040 Oh no, Like while I was there, I think I 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.040 don't know. Every day it was just insane. I mean 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.160 we caught and killed our food almost like every day. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.400 I've never done that. Like when Steve Um killed that 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.000 black tailed deer, like we ate. I mean, I'm sure 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:38.840 for hunters this as normal and now like that I've 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.840 done it myself, it is, but we ate the heart 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.280 and the liver like hours after he killed it. And 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.600 that was like I had never in my life, even 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.520 with fish, like done something like that. So that was 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.880 just crazy. Probably that night when we were all on 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.600 top of the mountain and like eating that and just 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.000 all like really tired and haggard, and it was just 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:01.720 like a celebratory event and eating that was awesome. And 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.480 my perspective from that was like before and I became 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.240 really close friends and we you know, I knew she 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.080 was going on the shoot and I just kept saying 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:12.760 like I can't wait to go hunting this fall, Like 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.679 it's gonna be so fun. You should totally do it too, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.560 And she was kind of like, you know, like not 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.200 really interested, and like the whole time we were on 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.160 she was on the shoot, we were texting like the 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:23.520 whole time. I don't know if you guys know, because 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.679 like I knew everything that was going on, and just 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.360 to the listeners a little bit of background, you had 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.080 been on an elk hunt in the year before, was 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.040 your first big game hunt. You had had that like 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:37.240 initial experience to get you hooked right totally? Yeah, And um, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.600 I mean I've been interested in hunting ever since I 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.960 started meeting it, like I said, but yeah, but anyway, 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.840 the whole time, and I just remember I probably find 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.240 it my phone just like a text like I want 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.839 to go hunting now from her. That was just like 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.160 I was just like what, Like that's also was so 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.320 excited about it. And then like since when you got back, 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.120 you know, like we just start planned, like started planning 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:59.920 our our first hunt that we were going to go. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.360 That's one of the cool things about bullshooting Meat Eater 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.520 and the documentary and all this stuff for the last 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.280 few years is that the amount of life changing sentiments 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.800 and life changing experience that people have out on these 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.200 on the Meat Eater shoots is pretty much across the board, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.040 whether it's a camera guy or a producer or whatever, 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.720 Like the experience of itself tends to change minds and 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.760 change hearts a bit. Will you guys share your first 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.400 hunting successful hunting experience when you guys had together? Well, yeah, 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.280 because you guys doubled up, right, Yeah, do you want 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.640 to tell it? I mean you can start it. I 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:38.600 might correct you. Okay, So so forget the part where 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:48.720 your your battery died either. Okay. So this is how 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.360 it happened. So we had gotten sort of a tip 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.240 from Dan of like a good spot to go to 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.480 in Montana. We're not going to say where, um and anyway, 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.280 it's to be like okay, like we're totally gonna do this. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.960 We woke up super super early, like it must have 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.040 been three in the morning, three or four in the morning, 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.920 and you know, we went to the gas station got gas. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.480 First of all, both of us are kidded out in 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.600 like full camo and stuff. When I remember we go 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.880 in and there's these dudes who are also probably hunting 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.880 to you know, and like, I don't know about you, 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.560 but I just felt like they're just giving us this 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:23.640 looks like first light and I don't know what else. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.360 And then like the same thing with me and like 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.360 are like because orange and then she had Tom's on 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.440 her feet. The two guys are just looking at us, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:35.240 just like Tom's shoes, you know, like the the they 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.360 give one like you buy one, and then they give 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:41.200 a pair to like a slipper. Slipper. Yeah, they're just 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:46.280 like slipper. Yeah yeah, just slide on yeah yeah yeah, slippers. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.160 So it was because like I wasn't ready to put 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:49.760 my boots on or anything like that. You know, it 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.560 so important to the story. That's true. It's true. Also, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.960 we were listening to like Adele or Beyonce on a 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:00.960 trip because like we're probably the only hunters listening there's 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.720 had just come out, and we were like groll into it. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.120 Oh yeah, that's great. Um. Anyway, yeah, so that was 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.600 an interesting part. But so anyway, we we drive out 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.720 there and we get out there and you know you 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.440 have to like sign in or whatever, and we get 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.600 out there and we go to where Dan houses to go, 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:25.040 and they're it's just like probably twenty you know, does 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:30.720 just running across this field. And we both had we 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.800 had a buck tag and a doe tag and it 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.600 could be either for either male or female white tail 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.120 or a male mule deer. And we had the guide 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.720 book with us. But we left in the car. We 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.040 were like we both like got like super like I mean, 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:45.920 must beend like buck fever. You know. We were just like, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.040 oh my gosh, my gosh, my gosh, so were gotten 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:49.880 the back, you know, like put our boots on, got 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.160 our got our rifles and like kind of like you know, 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.080 sort of not really sprinting. We weren't running with guns, 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.360 but we were walking very quickly. Um, and we get 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:00.400 out there and like just so many them and like 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.800 we have so many opportunities, and like something in my 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:04.919 head was like wait a minute, how do you know 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.600 if they're mule deer or white tail, Like what's the difference. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.880 And we're both like like they're white child, and then 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.399 we're yeah, and we just so yeah, so like we 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.560 just we couldn't. We just didn't know, and we were 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.439 trying to get like service on our phone and and 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.359 the guidebook was back in the car, so we're like 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.040 like do we do we risk it? Like no, So 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.840 we ran back to the car and like looking through 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.080 the guidebook looking like on the internet, and just we're 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.680 just like, Okay, they're definitely white tail, Like they don't 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.399 have the ropey tail and they don't you know, bound 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.960 the same way as mule deer. So we went back 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.520 out there and like, they're all just crossing this this 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.560 fence that private into private land where we can no 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.119 longer hunt. And then maybe they're like maybe we had 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.919 like maybe one or two other opportunities, but it was 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:48.280 just too rushed and there was no way it was 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.160 going to happen. So we were just like crap. So 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.160 we knew that later in the afternoon that they would 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.240 probably all come back over that fence and stuff, but 0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:01.240 we literally just sat out there all day waiting. Had 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:05.159 we known ahead of time, but and actually I think 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:06.720 we like at some point we were sitting in your 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:07.920 car for a while and we're like, why don't we 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.760 just go walk around or something. So we walked around 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.480 and spook some deer, but we had like no idea 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.960 where they went or where they were going and what 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:19.080 we're doing. Um, but anyway, yeah, so then you know, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.359 later we we texted Dan. He was like, oh, you know, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.960 Sean and I want to come come out, and but 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.399 we hunted in different spots and we were like, you know, 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.520 we kind of want to favor this one spot where 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.159 we had been hanging out because we had seen them 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:31.800 all go down the hill, and we saw a ton 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.480 of tracks towards the rivers. We figured they'd be coming 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.600 back up the same direction at night. Yeah, so um, 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.080 so yeah, that afternoon sure enough, like we saw them 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:42.960 on the private land and they just kept coming closer 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.480 and closer and closer. And I had my eyes on 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.320 this group that was like, you know, I know, directly 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.200 in front of us. But then Andy was like, whoa 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.840 look over here, and so to the left there were 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.520 like three deer just kind of all of a sudden, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.880 like almost like running towards us. So we sat We're 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.360 basically sitting out in the open but just below them 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.440 the line of the hill, so we weren't skyline or anything, 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.320 but we were kind of out in the open um. 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.199 And yeah, they're like running up and me like okay, 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:11.919 oh my gosh, you know, like this is this is it, 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:13.600 this is it, this is it. And we both set 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.560 up on our packs and you know, like who's gonna 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.320 shoot first? And you're like you shoot first, like okay, 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.600 so um, we just waited and waited, wait until they 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.440 hopped the fence, and I waited for the first one 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.600 to take maybe like ten steps or so and just 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.119 isn't about to shoot, and he's like, it's a buck. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.040 But I mean I had, you know, and I you know, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.639 beginner's mistake. I should have confirmed for sure before I shot, 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.800 you know, but very luckily, like I had, both tags 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.400 were both So I shot and it didn't. It stopped 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.600 sort of for like a second, and then it kept walking. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:48.680 So I got nervous, and so I shot it again, 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.840 and then it maybe took two steps and then dropped. 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:53.720 And then the two other ones who were right that 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:58.080 were right behind it were they're like very hesitant. Yeah, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.200 they were confused, like they didn't run away right way. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.240 And so I was like any Annie, like take a shot, 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:03.760 take a shot. And we're both kind of just like 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:05.159 what do we do? Like do we go to my 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:06.720 deer now? Like you know what I mean? We were 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.840 just very turned back around. They turned around and ran 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.480 back over the fence, but then they hopped over two 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.600 fences and then they stopped and they turned around and 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.720 Britain was like, let's just maybe we should just wait 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:19.199 here for a minute. I was like, really, okay, So 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.160 we waited for like ten more minutes. Sure enough, they 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:25.080 totally forgot what had happened, and they came back the 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.320 exact same way. They came back the exact same way. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.920 I didn't I didn't hear that part of this. Yeah, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.639 so so yeah, they literally just came back across as 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.359 if nothing had really happened. And so it was basically 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.520 like Annie was set up and just waiting for one 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.200 of them to stop, and one of them did. I 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.280 can't remember for the first or second one kept switching 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:46.000 between which one I was getting shot, but whichever when 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.960 you chose, like, it dropped instantly, maybe like ten ft 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.240 from my dear that I shot, and then we were 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:57.560 just like it was so crazy. Um. And then yeah, 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.280 and then we we had a little bit went over 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:03.159 to them, and um, we pretty much butchered them. I mean, 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.320 Dan Sean helped a little bit, and um, but we 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.120 we you know, gutted them pretty much for the most 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.720