1
00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:02,640
Speaker 1: All right, let's jo up in you guys. Take it

2
00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,920
Speaker 1: easy on me, all right, I'll try no promises for

3
00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,920
Speaker 1: Dan though, you don't have to take it easy on me.

4
00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,120
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Meat Eater podcast. I'm

5
00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,840
Speaker 1: your honest to tell us I'm sitting in for Steven

6
00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,959
Speaker 1: Ronella today. We're coming to you from the ZPC West

7
00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:29,160
Speaker 1: offices in beautiful Bowsman, Montana. All Right, UM, I'm sitting

8
00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,040
Speaker 1: here today surrounded by a few of the reasons why

9
00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,760
Speaker 1: I love my job so much. And there are many

10
00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,239
Speaker 1: reasons why I love my job. One of them is

11
00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,240
Speaker 1: that I get to talk hunting with Steve know about

12
00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,360
Speaker 1: five days a week. A lot of people think that

13
00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,240
Speaker 1: would get old, but it does not. We just love

14
00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:56,440
Speaker 1: talking hunting together. Um. Every creating adventures as part of

15
00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,360
Speaker 1: my job description. It's just I love my job. But

16
00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,279
Speaker 1: I also love it because I get to work with

17
00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,559
Speaker 1: these fine people in this room right now. They're interesting,

18
00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,800
Speaker 1: creative and thought provoking individuals. Um we have with us

19
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,280
Speaker 1: Any Racer, ZPC West producer, Britney Brothers, ZPC West producer

20
00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:21,000
Speaker 1: and guest star on many Meat Eater episodes. Nicole call Tierry,

21
00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,280
Speaker 1: social media manager of Meat eater and most things ZPC

22
00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,640
Speaker 1: West and then Dan Dody, which is like the grand

23
00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:33,119
Speaker 1: who's like the grand Wizard of ZPC West, and many

24
00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,280
Speaker 1: more things I can't even get into right now. We

25
00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,080
Speaker 1: don't have enough time for that. But um, the reason

26
00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,840
Speaker 1: I have, we figured our topic today would be hunting.

27
00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to say it right, but

28
00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:55,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna throw it out there. Hunting with females, by females,

29
00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,240
Speaker 1: female hunting, women hunting, however you want to put it.

30
00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,480
Speaker 1: I just want to kind of discuss all that. And

31
00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,960
Speaker 1: at first I was a little nervous about it, like, man,

32
00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm surround myself with these three like kind of very intelligent,

33
00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,440
Speaker 1: well well you know, knowledgeable, opinionated, you know women that

34
00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,360
Speaker 1: I was thinking, hold on, like, that's how my life is.

35
00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,880
Speaker 1: Every day. I'm like an office with them that I

36
00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,360
Speaker 1: go home, I'm surrounding them, out numbered by women. So

37
00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,400
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be nervous in this situation at all. Um.

38
00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,440
Speaker 1: And I think for me, just to why I thought

39
00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,680
Speaker 1: it'd be interesting, it's important for me to talk about this.

40
00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,560
Speaker 1: It is because I do have two daughters, and you know,

41
00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,520
Speaker 1: to me, for me to be a great dad to them.

42
00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,119
Speaker 1: I think it's important to understand, you know, I try

43
00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:46,200
Speaker 1: to understand women females. Um probably helps with me being

44
00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,800
Speaker 1: a good husband too. And I also want them to hunt,

45
00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,679
Speaker 1: you know, And so I think it's important for me

46
00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:58,640
Speaker 1: and many of our listeners hopefully to like understand the perspectives, thoughts, feelings, motivations,

47
00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,720
Speaker 1: all that stuff um from women hunters that surround women hunters,

48
00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,720
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's just knowledge is power. So um,

49
00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,359
Speaker 1: that's kind of why I want to do this. So

50
00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,760
Speaker 1: first I kind of want to get you guys going

51
00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,520
Speaker 1: and just have you explain kind of like what your

52
00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:22,200
Speaker 1: background was to your relation to hunting before you were here,

53
00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,200
Speaker 1: and kind of what brought you to, you know, being

54
00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,000
Speaker 1: sitting here in this room today, and then what you

55
00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,320
Speaker 1: like your current introduction to hunting was, you know, or

56
00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,640
Speaker 1: if it wasn't like recent and it's not current, what

57
00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:41,040
Speaker 1: it was many many years ago, um, brittany here, I

58
00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,760
Speaker 1: got interested in hunting through meat either and before meat eater,

59
00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:50,440
Speaker 1: I was completely anti hunting. Like I just I grew

60
00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:56,920
Speaker 1: up in the South, um where just as like generalization, UM,

61
00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,960
Speaker 1: I thought hunters were just sort of redneck bubba's who

62
00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,760
Speaker 1: like to get drunk and shoot things. And even though

63
00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,840
Speaker 1: I ate meat growing up, like I literally never equated

64
00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,000
Speaker 1: the idea of hunting to meet UM, So I was

65
00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,600
Speaker 1: so super against it. And then you know started, you know,

66
00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,080
Speaker 1: went to film school and and started working at ZBZ,

67
00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,200
Speaker 1: and at some point we picked up The Wild Within,

68
00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,039
Speaker 1: which is the original Meat Eater show, and I was

69
00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,159
Speaker 1: just like, oh god, we're doing a hunting show like

70
00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,680
Speaker 1: this is like we're so much better than this. And

71
00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,400
Speaker 1: then you know, had a big premiere party for a

72
00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,480
Speaker 1: while Within and Steve's buddy's you know, cooked up all

73
00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,719
Speaker 1: this awesome wild these wild game dishes, and I mean

74
00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,279
Speaker 1: instant like venison diplomacy, Like I was an instant convert

75
00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,880
Speaker 1: to hunting purely through the food. Um. Now I've been

76
00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,920
Speaker 1: working with you know, Meat Eater and Steve and these

77
00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,200
Speaker 1: guys for three years or so now, and like I

78
00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,080
Speaker 1: just I shot my first animal this past fall with

79
00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,440
Speaker 1: Annie who's here. UM shot my first rabbit with j

80
00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,719
Speaker 1: Honest who's also here this fall, and um and did

81
00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,839
Speaker 1: all shot too deer in Wisconsin. Um that was just

82
00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,640
Speaker 1: on the meter episode. So um and I have a

83
00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,920
Speaker 1: freezer full of meat now and I'm super stoked about that.

84
00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:21,839
Speaker 1: That's long. Sorry. Yeah, UM, I come from a different background.

85
00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,039
Speaker 1: I guess growing up in Ohio, it was really normal

86
00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,480
Speaker 1: to hunt white tails. UM, so I was definitely around hunting.

87
00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't familial to me, like it wasn't something that

88
00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:36,080
Speaker 1: happened in my family. UM, but I had friends that hunted. UM.

89
00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,880
Speaker 1: I moved from Ohio in the middle of high school,

90
00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,880
Speaker 1: but I had actually signed up for a hunter's safety

91
00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,040
Speaker 1: class when I was sixteen, so it was something that

92
00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:48,720
Speaker 1: I was curious about back then. And then really in

93
00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,560
Speaker 1: between that point of being sixteen and into my kind

94
00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,160
Speaker 1: of mid twenties, UM, I was living in cities and

95
00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,240
Speaker 1: going to college and just in more urban areas, so

96
00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,760
Speaker 1: that exposure kind of died off. UM. I had friends.

97
00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,839
Speaker 1: I went to Colorado State University, and I had friends

98
00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,760
Speaker 1: that hunted ducks, like friends with um like duck hunting dogs.

99
00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,960
Speaker 1: But it was never something I was really interested in.

100
00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,400
Speaker 1: Then moving to I came to Bozeman for a corporate

101
00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,680
Speaker 1: job in the fall, and UM, I mean just sort

102
00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,680
Speaker 1: of by default when you come to Bozeman, you end

103
00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,400
Speaker 1: up outside and I got into hiking, and UM remember

104
00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,000
Speaker 1: having elk for the first time in a couple of

105
00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,720
Speaker 1: friends houses and UM sort of being introduced to this

106
00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:40,719
Speaker 1: idea of UM hunting as a source of meat that

107
00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,640
Speaker 1: wasn't coming from the industrial complex. And that was really

108
00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,359
Speaker 1: that like really kind of got the UM motor going.

109
00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,640
Speaker 1: And then UM I did a backpacking trip on the

110
00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,280
Speaker 1: Continental Divide by myself, and actually I had this really

111
00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,480
Speaker 1: interesting moment where UM, I had been on the trail

112
00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,800
Speaker 1: for a few days, I hadn't see ninny people, and

113
00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm sitting at the top of this high field and

114
00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,880
Speaker 1: I just eaten dinner in the sun like set behind

115
00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,000
Speaker 1: the mountains, and UM cow elk walked into the field

116
00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,920
Speaker 1: in front of me, and UM she was followed by

117
00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,840
Speaker 1: a big bull and one by one, over hundred elk

118
00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,680
Speaker 1: came out of the forest. And it was really strange

119
00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,760
Speaker 1: because I froze and I realized, like on an instinctual level,

120
00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,600
Speaker 1: I was like I am a predator, like it was.

121
00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,560
Speaker 1: It was just a bizarre feeling. And after that night

122
00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,360
Speaker 1: I decided that I wanted to hunt. And it was

123
00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,120
Speaker 1: something that kind of had come out of this like

124
00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,240
Speaker 1: just interesting moment. And I think all the different like

125
00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,400
Speaker 1: introductions of my friends leaving up to that moment um,

126
00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,040
Speaker 1: and then, um, I was looking for jobs and on

127
00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,560
Speaker 1: gradulous I came across this ZPC position, which was like

128
00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,200
Speaker 1: so serendipitous, And by that time I was really curious

129
00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:56,960
Speaker 1: about hunting. I kind of made the decision that I

130
00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,480
Speaker 1: wanted to hunt, and um, just becoming a part of

131
00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,040
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater crew has totally giving me, given me

132
00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,400
Speaker 1: this incredible education in background, and I like, I feel

133
00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,760
Speaker 1: really privileged to learn from you guys. And then I

134
00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,360
Speaker 1: was able to hunt for the first time this past

135
00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:18,160
Speaker 1: season unsuccessfully. But um, I mean to me, I've identify

136
00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,880
Speaker 1: as a hunter now, Like it's something that I want

137
00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,520
Speaker 1: to do and it's something that I want to be

138
00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,760
Speaker 1: a good ambassador for. Can I ask you a quick question?

139
00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,160
Speaker 1: When you say you were sixteen you did the Hunter's

140
00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,720
Speaker 1: Safety What was it there that like piqued your curiosity? Um,

141
00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,600
Speaker 1: I had a really close group my Uh actually, my

142
00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,760
Speaker 1: dad passed away when I was around when I was fifteen,

143
00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,080
Speaker 1: and he was a big We had a lot of

144
00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,960
Speaker 1: guns growing up in my house, Like that was really

145
00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,880
Speaker 1: normal and um, but I had never grown up shooting

146
00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,240
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But um, like throughout the time

147
00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,600
Speaker 1: that he had cancered up until the time that he

148
00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,720
Speaker 1: passed away. I had this really tight group of guy

149
00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,920
Speaker 1: friends and um, they were all hunters and they kind

150
00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,880
Speaker 1: of took me under their wing, and I like just

151
00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was it was Midwestern. It was

152
00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,080
Speaker 1: like very much like a community thing. And um, I

153
00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,480
Speaker 1: think like a lot of their parents kind of took

154
00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,400
Speaker 1: me and as like another kid, and it was just

155
00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. It came from this community of guys

156
00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,040
Speaker 1: that I was friends with, and um, there were a

157
00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,520
Speaker 1: couple of us that were going to take the hunter

158
00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,360
Speaker 1: safety class together, but we ended up moving before I

159
00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:36,040
Speaker 1: did that. My turn. I grew up in um Montana

160
00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:41,520
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be a veterinarian. And my dad

161
00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,440
Speaker 1: whenever we drive by like roadkill, I would like almost

162
00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,840
Speaker 1: start crying and he's like, oh, they're just sleeping like

163
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,760
Speaker 1: to the deer. And I was believed him, and uh,

164
00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,480
Speaker 1: he started hunting. Um, he's not from here, but he

165
00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,040
Speaker 1: started hunting probably five years after, maybe two years after

166
00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,640
Speaker 1: we moved here. Um, dear and elk Um and got

167
00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,280
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and we were always eating like

168
00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,520
Speaker 1: wild game. We had like a huge freezer in our

169
00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,560
Speaker 1: garage and my mom and dad made awesome wild game meals,

170
00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,719
Speaker 1: and I think eventually I decided I didn't want to

171
00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,480
Speaker 1: be a vet and probably started realizing the deer weren't

172
00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,360
Speaker 1: always sleeping on the side of the road. Um. And

173
00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,679
Speaker 1: then I moved to vermont for nine years for high

174
00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,040
Speaker 1: school and college, and there's also a lot of hunting there,

175
00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,720
Speaker 1: but I wasn't as exposed to it, probably as I

176
00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,680
Speaker 1: was when I was living at home. And then after college,

177
00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,120
Speaker 1: I moved to Los Angeles, um, and I don't think

178
00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,240
Speaker 1: I ever thought about hunting in the six years I

179
00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,439
Speaker 1: lived there. Um. And then I moved back to Montana

180
00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,960
Speaker 1: about a year ago and became friends with Brittany and

181
00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,680
Speaker 1: she told me short on this hunting show and I

182
00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,840
Speaker 1: was kind of like whatever, like not interested. And then

183
00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,199
Speaker 1: I'm like a freelance producer. So this thing came up,

184
00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,000
Speaker 1: Um this summer, this documentary. I'm allowed to talk about that. Yeah,

185
00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,720
Speaker 1: we're making a documentary, surementary. And they needed help. So

186
00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,520
Speaker 1: they called me and we met that it and I

187
00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,160
Speaker 1: was available and I was like sure, I'll do it.

188
00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,400
Speaker 1: But I still wasn't really a convert, like I was

189
00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,200
Speaker 1: like whatever, like it's a job. Um. And then we

190
00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,959
Speaker 1: went to Alaska for two weeks um to shoot a

191
00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,600
Speaker 1: part of the dock with Steve, and it was like

192
00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,160
Speaker 1: probably one of the I don't know, most like life

193
00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,320
Speaker 1: changing experiences in my life, just like the hunting part

194
00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:35,319
Speaker 1: and just the crew and being on Alaska. Sorry I

195
00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,160
Speaker 1: confidentiality and stuff anyway, So um, that trip was just

196
00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,719
Speaker 1: life changing. And I'd always thought about like where my

197
00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,040
Speaker 1: food came from, and um, I read like some Michael

198
00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,600
Speaker 1: Pollit in college and I got into different kinds of

199
00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,319
Speaker 1: food movements. But after that I decided like I had

200
00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,160
Speaker 1: to kill something and eat it, like just so I

201
00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,320
Speaker 1: knew exactly where my food came from. So we got

202
00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,320
Speaker 1: back I think the first weekend of September, and like

203
00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,920
Speaker 1: two weeks later Nicole and I took Hunter's safety and

204
00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,400
Speaker 1: then I don't know, Brittany and I both killed our

205
00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,560
Speaker 1: first um dear like a few days in the hunting

206
00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,320
Speaker 1: season together. Back up for a second, when you were

207
00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,839
Speaker 1: on the trip in pow what what was was there

208
00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,280
Speaker 1: a moment or what was sort of like the actual

209
00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,040
Speaker 1: turning point? Can you remember or is it just sort

210
00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,719
Speaker 1: of the whole thing? Did you feel it when you

211
00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,600
Speaker 1: were there or did you feel it once you got home.

212
00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, Like while I was there, I think I

213
00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,040
Speaker 1: don't know. Every day it was just insane. I mean

214
00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,160
Speaker 1: we caught and killed our food almost like every day.

215
00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,400
Speaker 1: I've never done that. Like when Steve Um killed that

216
00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,000
Speaker 1: black tailed deer, like we ate. I mean, I'm sure

217
00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,840
Speaker 1: for hunters this as normal and now like that I've

218
00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,840
Speaker 1: done it myself, it is, but we ate the heart

219
00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,280
Speaker 1: and the liver like hours after he killed it. And

220
00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,600
Speaker 1: that was like I had never in my life, even

221
00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,520
Speaker 1: with fish, like done something like that. So that was

222
00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,880
Speaker 1: just crazy. Probably that night when we were all on

223
00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,600
Speaker 1: top of the mountain and like eating that and just

224
00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,000
Speaker 1: all like really tired and haggard, and it was just

225
00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,720
Speaker 1: like a celebratory event and eating that was awesome. And

226
00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,480
Speaker 1: my perspective from that was like before and I became

227
00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,240
Speaker 1: really close friends and we you know, I knew she

228
00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,080
Speaker 1: was going on the shoot and I just kept saying

229
00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,760
Speaker 1: like I can't wait to go hunting this fall, Like

230
00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,679
Speaker 1: it's gonna be so fun. You should totally do it too,

231
00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,560
Speaker 1: And she was kind of like, you know, like not

232
00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,200
Speaker 1: really interested, and like the whole time we were on

233
00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,160
Speaker 1: she was on the shoot, we were texting like the

234
00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,520
Speaker 1: whole time. I don't know if you guys know, because

235
00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,679
Speaker 1: like I knew everything that was going on, and just

236
00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,360
Speaker 1: to the listeners a little bit of background, you had

237
00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,080
Speaker 1: been on an elk hunt in the year before, was

238
00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,040
Speaker 1: your first big game hunt. You had had that like

239
00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,240
Speaker 1: initial experience to get you hooked right totally? Yeah, And um,

240
00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean I've been interested in hunting ever since I

241
00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,960
Speaker 1: started meeting it, like I said, but yeah, but anyway,

242
00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,840
Speaker 1: the whole time, and I just remember I probably find

243
00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,240
Speaker 1: it my phone just like a text like I want

244
00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,839
Speaker 1: to go hunting now from her. That was just like

245
00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,160
Speaker 1: I was just like what, Like that's also was so

246
00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,320
Speaker 1: excited about it. And then like since when you got back,

247
00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, like we just start planned, like started planning

248
00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,920
Speaker 1: our our first hunt that we were going to go.

249
00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,360
Speaker 1: That's one of the cool things about bullshooting Meat Eater

250
00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,520
Speaker 1: and the documentary and all this stuff for the last

251
00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,280
Speaker 1: few years is that the amount of life changing sentiments

252
00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,800
Speaker 1: and life changing experience that people have out on these

253
00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,200
Speaker 1: on the Meat Eater shoots is pretty much across the board,

254
00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,040
Speaker 1: whether it's a camera guy or a producer or whatever,

255
00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,720
Speaker 1: Like the experience of itself tends to change minds and

256
00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,760
Speaker 1: change hearts a bit. Will you guys share your first

257
00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,400
Speaker 1: hunting successful hunting experience when you guys had together? Well, yeah,

258
00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,280
Speaker 1: because you guys doubled up, right, Yeah, do you want

259
00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,640
Speaker 1: to tell it? I mean you can start it. I

260
00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,600
Speaker 1: might correct you. Okay, So so forget the part where

261
00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:48,720
Speaker 1: your your battery died either. Okay. So this is how

262
00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,360
Speaker 1: it happened. So we had gotten sort of a tip

263
00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,240
Speaker 1: from Dan of like a good spot to go to

264
00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,480
Speaker 1: in Montana. We're not going to say where, um and anyway,

265
00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,280
Speaker 1: it's to be like okay, like we're totally gonna do this.

266
00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,960
Speaker 1: We woke up super super early, like it must have

267
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,040
Speaker 1: been three in the morning, three or four in the morning,

268
00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,920
Speaker 1: and you know, we went to the gas station got gas.

269
00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,480
Speaker 1: First of all, both of us are kidded out in

270
00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,600
Speaker 1: like full camo and stuff. When I remember we go

271
00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,880
Speaker 1: in and there's these dudes who are also probably hunting

272
00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,880
Speaker 1: to you know, and like, I don't know about you,

273
00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,560
Speaker 1: but I just felt like they're just giving us this

274
00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:23,640
Speaker 1: looks like first light and I don't know what else.

275
00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,360
Speaker 1: And then like the same thing with me and like

276
00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,360
Speaker 1: are like because orange and then she had Tom's on

277
00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,440
Speaker 1: her feet. The two guys are just looking at us,

278
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,240
Speaker 1: just like Tom's shoes, you know, like the the they

279
00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,360
Speaker 1: give one like you buy one, and then they give

280
00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,200
Speaker 1: a pair to like a slipper. Slipper. Yeah, they're just

281
00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,280
Speaker 1: like slipper. Yeah yeah, just slide on yeah yeah yeah, slippers.

282
00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,160
Speaker 1: So it was because like I wasn't ready to put

283
00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,760
Speaker 1: my boots on or anything like that. You know, it

284
00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,560
Speaker 1: so important to the story. That's true. It's true. Also,

285
00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,960
Speaker 1: we were listening to like Adele or Beyonce on a

286
00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,960
Speaker 1: trip because like we're probably the only hunters listening there's

287
00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,720
Speaker 1: had just come out, and we were like groll into it.

288
00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's great. Um. Anyway, yeah, so that was

289
00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,600
Speaker 1: an interesting part. But so anyway, we we drive out

290
00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,720
Speaker 1: there and we get out there and you know you

291
00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,440
Speaker 1: have to like sign in or whatever, and we get

292
00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,600
Speaker 1: out there and we go to where Dan houses to go,

293
00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,040
Speaker 1: and they're it's just like probably twenty you know, does

294
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:30,720
Speaker 1: just running across this field. And we both had we

295
00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,800
Speaker 1: had a buck tag and a doe tag and it

296
00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,600
Speaker 1: could be either for either male or female white tail

297
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,120
Speaker 1: or a male mule deer. And we had the guide

298
00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,720
Speaker 1: book with us. But we left in the car. We

299
00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,040
Speaker 1: were like we both like got like super like I mean,

300
00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,920
Speaker 1: must beend like buck fever. You know. We were just like,

301
00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, my gosh, my gosh, so were gotten

302
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,880
Speaker 1: the back, you know, like put our boots on, got

303
00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,160
Speaker 1: our got our rifles and like kind of like you know,

304
00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,080
Speaker 1: sort of not really sprinting. We weren't running with guns,

305
00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,360
Speaker 1: but we were walking very quickly. Um, and we get

306
00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,400
Speaker 1: out there and like just so many them and like

307
00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,800
Speaker 1: we have so many opportunities, and like something in my

308
00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,919
Speaker 1: head was like wait a minute, how do you know

309
00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,600
Speaker 1: if they're mule deer or white tail, Like what's the difference.

310
00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,880
Speaker 1: And we're both like like they're white child, and then

311
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,399
Speaker 1: we're yeah, and we just so yeah, so like we

312
00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,560
Speaker 1: just we couldn't. We just didn't know, and we were

313
00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,439
Speaker 1: trying to get like service on our phone and and

314
00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,359
Speaker 1: the guidebook was back in the car, so we're like

315
00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,040
Speaker 1: like do we do we risk it? Like no, So

316
00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,840
Speaker 1: we ran back to the car and like looking through

317
00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,080
Speaker 1: the guidebook looking like on the internet, and just we're

318
00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,680
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, they're definitely white tail, Like they don't

319
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,399
Speaker 1: have the ropey tail and they don't you know, bound

320
00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,960
Speaker 1: the same way as mule deer. So we went back

321
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,520
Speaker 1: out there and like, they're all just crossing this this

322
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,560
Speaker 1: fence that private into private land where we can no

323
00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,119
Speaker 1: longer hunt. And then maybe they're like maybe we had

324
00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:46,919
Speaker 1: like maybe one or two other opportunities, but it was

325
00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,280
Speaker 1: just too rushed and there was no way it was

326
00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,160
Speaker 1: going to happen. So we were just like crap. So

327
00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,160
Speaker 1: we knew that later in the afternoon that they would

328
00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,240
Speaker 1: probably all come back over that fence and stuff, but

329
00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,240
Speaker 1: we literally just sat out there all day waiting. Had

330
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,159
Speaker 1: we known ahead of time, but and actually I think

331
00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,720
Speaker 1: we like at some point we were sitting in your

332
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:07,920
Speaker 1: car for a while and we're like, why don't we

333
00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,760
Speaker 1: just go walk around or something. So we walked around

334
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,480
Speaker 1: and spook some deer, but we had like no idea

335
00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,960
Speaker 1: where they went or where they were going and what

336
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,080
Speaker 1: we're doing. Um, but anyway, yeah, so then you know,

337
00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,359
Speaker 1: later we we texted Dan. He was like, oh, you know,

338
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,960
Speaker 1: Sean and I want to come come out, and but

339
00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,399
Speaker 1: we hunted in different spots and we were like, you know,

340
00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,520
Speaker 1: we kind of want to favor this one spot where

341
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,159
Speaker 1: we had been hanging out because we had seen them

342
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,800
Speaker 1: all go down the hill, and we saw a ton

343
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,480
Speaker 1: of tracks towards the rivers. We figured they'd be coming

344
00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,600
Speaker 1: back up the same direction at night. Yeah, so um,

345
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, that afternoon sure enough, like we saw them

346
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,960
Speaker 1: on the private land and they just kept coming closer

347
00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,480
Speaker 1: and closer and closer. And I had my eyes on

348
00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,320
Speaker 1: this group that was like, you know, I know, directly

349
00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,200
Speaker 1: in front of us. But then Andy was like, whoa

350
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,840
Speaker 1: look over here, and so to the left there were

351
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,520
Speaker 1: like three deer just kind of all of a sudden,

352
00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,880
Speaker 1: like almost like running towards us. So we sat We're

353
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,360
Speaker 1: basically sitting out in the open but just below them

354
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,440
Speaker 1: the line of the hill, so we weren't skyline or anything,

355
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 1: but we were kind of out in the open um.

356
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,199
Speaker 1: And yeah, they're like running up and me like okay,

357
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,919
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know, like this is this is it,

358
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 1: this is it, this is it. And we both set

359
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,560
Speaker 1: up on our packs and you know, like who's gonna

360
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 1: shoot first? And you're like you shoot first, like okay,

361
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 1: so um, we just waited and waited, wait until they

362
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,440
Speaker 1: hopped the fence, and I waited for the first one

363
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,600
Speaker 1: to take maybe like ten steps or so and just

364
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 1: isn't about to shoot, and he's like, it's a buck.

365
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 1: But I mean I had, you know, and I you know,

366
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,639
Speaker 1: beginner's mistake. I should have confirmed for sure before I shot,

367
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, but very luckily, like I had, both tags

368
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,400
Speaker 1: were both So I shot and it didn't. It stopped

369
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 1: sort of for like a second, and then it kept walking.

370
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 1: So I got nervous, and so I shot it again,

371
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 1: and then it maybe took two steps and then dropped.

372
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 1: And then the two other ones who were right that

373
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 1: were right behind it were they're like very hesitant. Yeah,

374
00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,200
Speaker 1: they were confused, like they didn't run away right way.

375
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 1: And so I was like any Annie, like take a shot,

376
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 1: take a shot. And we're both kind of just like

377
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,159
Speaker 1: what do we do? Like do we go to my

378
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: deer now? Like you know what I mean? We were

379
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 1: just very turned back around. They turned around and ran

380
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 1: back over the fence, but then they hopped over two

381
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: fences and then they stopped and they turned around and

382
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: Britain was like, let's just maybe we should just wait

383
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,199
Speaker 1: here for a minute. I was like, really, okay, So

384
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 1: we waited for like ten more minutes. Sure enough, they

385
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: totally forgot what had happened, and they came back the

386
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,320
Speaker 1: exact same way. They came back the exact same way.

387
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't hear that part of this. Yeah,

388
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 1: so so yeah, they literally just came back across as

389
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 1: if nothing had really happened. And so it was basically

390
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 1: like Annie was set up and just waiting for one

391
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: of them to stop, and one of them did. I

392
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: can't remember for the first or second one kept switching

393
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: between which one I was getting shot, but whichever when

394
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: you chose, like, it dropped instantly, maybe like ten ft

395
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 1: from my dear that I shot, and then we were

396
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: just like it was so crazy. Um. And then yeah,

397
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: and then we we had a little bit went over

398
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: to them, and um, we pretty much butchered them. I mean,

399
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 1: Dan Sean helped a little bit, and um, but we

400
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 1: we you know, gutted them pretty much for the most

401
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: part and quartered them out there with Dan and Shawn's help,

402
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 1: and then we butchered the whole things ourselves. Car died

403
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: because I shouldn't gloss over that my car to use

404
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: the headlights because it was dark, and then my car died,

405
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 1: so car Bettery died after Dan and Sean left. So

406
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: we waited for your roommate to come get us. Celebratory

407
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,919
Speaker 1: Dear dance was and then we spent eight hours the

408
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: next day completely butchering both Dear all ourselves, all with

409
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: the help of the guide book. Yeah, the first couple

410
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 1: of hours we're like, oh, this is the song. We

411
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,120
Speaker 1: were like dancing and singing or whatever. And then by

412
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: like maybe like three or four hours and we were

413
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 1: just like like dead silent, and then like the last

414
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: couple of hours we both had like very sharp knives

415
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 1: in our hands, just like looking at each other like

416
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: my stabut. I don't know if I do this. It

417
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,360
Speaker 1: was really impressive. It was impressive to be out there.

418
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: You know. I got out there and literally it wasn't

419
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: more than half an hour after I hiked out farther

420
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: past where you guys were, and I heard one shot.

421
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,959
Speaker 1: A little bit later heard a second shot. You know,

422
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: I figured it was you guys. I didn't I didn't

423
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: see anybody else, but you know, I came back into

424
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: Dear and I was like, what the hell. It's really impressive.

425
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: It was impressive. But I'll tell you, even if you

426
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: like read Steve skuybook and you watch YouTube videos a

427
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: second that thing is dead and you're like okay, like

428
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,959
Speaker 1: now I have to do this. Like I had no idea,

429
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: Like I had forgotten everything with how to you know,

430
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: got it and all that stuff. We did it. How

431
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: was that process? You know, I'm like a very squeamish

432
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: person and I hate the sight of blood. I passed

433
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: out getting shots and like getting my blood drawn and stuff,

434
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: and and I was really concerned that I was going

435
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: to have a similar experience like whenever I first look

436
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: at it my first year, and like, no, not even

437
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: a single feeling. It was it was like very like automatic,

438
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: like okay, this is what I have to do now,

439
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: Like there was no part of me felt sick or

440
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: disgusted at all. Um. I think the one time that

441
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: I did feel slightly disgusted was actually in Wisconsin. I

442
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: actually nicked the stomach when I was like and that

443
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: was just like, well the smell unholy. But other than that, yeah,

444
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: there's like no part of me at all that felt

445
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: like you had to go to work, like I didn't

446
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: have any time to think about it or feel bad

447
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: about it or be grossed out. I was a little

448
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: bit grossed out, like cutting the windpipe, which I made

449
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: maybe Brittany do for me part. You're just like, Okay,

450
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: I do this and I gotta do it like now. Totally.

451
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 1: It was gnarly. It does become work pretty much right

452
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: after that thing falls over dead. Yeah, it's gonna anti

453
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: climactic a lot of ways, for sure. Nicole. You had

454
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: a couple of days in the feel, but no no luck.

455
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: You know, you said you said you had a shot

456
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: and took a shot. I missed. Still though you you

457
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: spent two days or more in the field. Um, I

458
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: went two days deer hunting by myself and then one

459
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: day with you, right, so three days and you got

460
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: a shot in three days. So that two opportunities three

461
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: days because there was the deer that um leannest took

462
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: me out one morning. It was actually the same honey

463
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: hole the Fibro and Nanny killed their deer on. And um,

464
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: we just hadn't really seen any deer close by. And

465
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: I was kind of walking behind you and I'm five

466
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: six and you're what like six six, and um, so

467
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: we were walking back to the truck and then you

468
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 1: walked over to that little like knob and then you

469
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: just said, shoot that deer. But I was behind you

470
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: and shorter than you, so I didn't I hadn't even

471
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: seen the deer yet. But then I got down and

472
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: put my crosshairs on it. Um, but I just couldn't. Um,

473
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just it was such an

474
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: overwhelming feeling. Just I mean, it's a big difference to

475
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: go from shooting at the range and looking through your

476
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: crosshairs to like having like a live animal in your crosshairs.

477
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: So that was like a crazy feeling. Um. And then

478
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: after that you figured out that my scope was on

479
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: full magnification and so um that was good to know.

480
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: And then um, when I went out by myself, it

481
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: was around that same area, which is like a pretty

482
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: easy hunting white tail area, and um, the opportunity that

483
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: I ended up getting, I had actually gone early in

484
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: the morning, and it's a really high pressure area. So

485
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: if you don't get there first. Um, you know, like

486
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: the spot that I went to you for that morning, Like,

487
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: I opened the door to my car and a shot

488
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: rang out, But um, I had woken up early enough.

489
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: I just realized I didn't have any hunter orange, so

490
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: I needed to go to like a gas station and

491
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: find one, and and luckily I did. But um, it

492
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: just put me behind. I think that if I had

493
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: remembered that point, then I would have made it there first.

494
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: But um, I actually went and got breakfast somewhere, and

495
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: then I decided, like when I came back, like you

496
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: could just tell like all the deer were just moving

497
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: around anyway, Like I think they were just really disrupted

498
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: because it was so high pressure and I was just

499
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: seeing deer everywhere and it was like, you know, eleven

500
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, and I was like, well, I mean,

501
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: what are the chances that the deer are going to

502
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: go back when you know, kind of break that like

503
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: crepuscular routine that they're having, like probably a pretty high chance,

504
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: like they're constantly being bumped and moved around. Um, So

505
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: it was funny. I actually went to a different spot

506
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: I will I went one of those days, I went

507
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: um to about seven different spots just to check them out.

508
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: So I kind of drove UM. I found like some

509
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: weird elk spots where you could shoot elk from the road,

510
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: and it was like, I don't know, that was actually

511
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: a little bit disturbing. And then um, just because there

512
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: were people that were just blatantly breaking the rules. They

513
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: were like driving out to pick up there at carcasses

514
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: they were you know, on people's black management land and um,

515
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: you know, people drinking a shipload of beer and you know,

516
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: just doing things that I'm like, Okay, well that's not

517
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: not really management for those that you don't know as

518
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: a program in Montana where it's like between private land

519
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: holders and the game fish, and they basically set up

520
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: a system where you can, like Brittany was talking about

521
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: signing in, you're just signed into these properties, sometimes you know,

522
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: months ahead of time, sometimes just the morning of. And

523
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: then there are special rules so that you know, you

524
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: you you know, to respect the property. And so one

525
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: of the big things is like some of these propertis

526
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: you actually can't leave animal parts at all and um,

527
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: which you can't definitely can't drive out on the agg

528
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: fields and you and people were doing that, and people

529
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: were doing that. And then when I was driving on

530
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: that particular road where you could hunt elk, there were

531
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: like organs just on the road, like people just like

532
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: left them out there. And so it was just it

533
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: was kind of a weird scenario for me to see. Um,

534
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: but I figured out like where the white tail places where,

535
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: and that's where I went back and Um, so I

536
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: actually went to this little area where there was like

537
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: a little draw and as I was driving back from

538
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: that breakfast, like coming back, Um, it was kind of

539
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: near one of the sign in boxes. Well too, deer

540
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: went from property that I couldn't hunt on to property

541
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: or I could hunt on, like right in front of

542
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: my car. So, um, I just immediately pulled up, parked,

543
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: started getting my gear together and um that was actually

544
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: when the guy pulled it next to me. So I'm

545
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: by myself, I have my border calling in the car.

546
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just very like yoga pants and a sweatshirt

547
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: and surrells. Like I've definitely not decked out in camo.

548
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: Um and like many hunters aren't. Yeah, you know, you know,

549
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: like I keep these parts, I like to keep it casual.

550
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: Um what do you mean by that? Around these parts

551
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: people on here don't wear a camera. Oh yeah, and

552
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: I think, well, these parts being like, I feel like

553
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: it's more I don't trying to think where there's more

554
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: heavily cameo clad folks. Um, there definitely are a lot

555
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: of embozement you know that put a lot of effort

556
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: into you know, high quality camouflage. But I feel like

557
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: here and like where I grew up in Michigan and Wisconsin.

558
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the guys I grew up hunt with,

559
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: like didn't wear any camouflage. It was like blue jeans, carhards,

560
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: red flannel, you know where your orange, you know, especially

561
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: rifle hunt like it's not really necessary. They look like

562
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: the original hipsters and all their pictures car haar pants

563
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: and buffalo clad shirts. It's that big like red black plaid.

564
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: All right, I'm right, did her? You along a little bit?

565
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: But you got an opportunity, So I got an opportunity.

566
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Shot over over his or her back? Yeah? What my hook?

567
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: You're hooked. I'm hooked. Yeah, I'm excited to go back.

568
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: And um, I already bought my licenses and I'm putting

569
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: in for some tags. And that's been a fun process.

570
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: You got a turkey hunt this year. I put in

571
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: for a turkey tags. We'll see if I get one.

572
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: But I also bought an over the counter turkey tag.

573
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 1: Same so excited. Six bucks and he's shaking her head.

574
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: You can't see he's not interested in turkey hunting. But

575
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I just give it time, you know, like with the

576
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: whole hunting thing in general. You know, she didn't she

577
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: came around eventually, some maybe she should come around. So

578
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: would you at least go with Brittany to see what

579
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: it's all about. Maybe I don't know. It just doesn't

580
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't get it. What don't you get I don't know.

581
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: I just don't. Everyone's so into it. These guys are

582
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: so into it. I just don't. I've never even done it.

583
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: But it's like, and I can see that a little bit,

584
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: like it's not like this just watching it doesn't seem

585
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: super exciting, but like their excitement. Plus, I don't know,

586
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 1: it's just like a different type of hunting. Like to me,

587
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: that's I just want to try every type of hunt,

588
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: every type of understand I was there for five years

589
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: as all my friends around me were just like, you know, ELK,

590
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: yeah that's cool. But dude, Turkey, let me tell you, man, like,

591
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: how come you're not coming with us in April? And

592
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: eventually I just you know, you know, I figured it out.

593
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: I think you will too. You'll come with us this spring.

594
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be yeah, you'll come back to the

595
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: office and be like, what's up, and you'll just answer

596
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: with you can't wear you can't wear all your hot

597
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: pink that you wear to work every day though you're like, no, no,

598
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: I want to go then all right, So those stories

599
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: you guys just described, they were interesting, but to me

600
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: real looking at it from my uh just say, uh,

601
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, with with no filter, you know, or no.

602
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say here, dam just a very

603
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: like like I don't know what. Um No, I'm not

604
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna know. I'm not trying to get out of offending you. Um.

605
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: But it's uh, the stories themselves really aren't there. It

606
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that you guys are females, I guess up

607
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: to this point, it's like it's really their stories of

608
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: inexperienced and you know, beginner hunters, you know, and Dan

609
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: and I did it many many years ago, plenty of people.

610
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I was leading up to this podcast, I was thinking

611
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: a lot about how my brother got into it, you know,

612
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: and I feel like I mentored a lot my brother

613
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: a lot. In the last five years, I'm getting into

614
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: hunting the same way I have a lot with Britney brothers.

615
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: And really it's I don't know if there's been any

616
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: differences whatsoever. I mean, it's been very very similar, you know,

617
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: the same kind of amount of time and they're going

618
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: to the range. And I think that like the the

619
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, the bell curve of of learning has been

620
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: very similar between the two of you guys too. You

621
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: know it took him. The first thing that jumped out

622
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: of me with your all your stories is that all

623
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: of you whent On did it on your own this year,

624
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: which I think would be interesting to look at statistics

625
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: of men or women hunters to see how many people

626
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: have the balls or ovaries to go out and really

627
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: honest to go do it like, because that's one of

628
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: the biggest blocks to getting into hunting for anybody is

629
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: not having a mentor or not having people to take you.

630
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: And that's what people always talk about nobody. There's nobody

631
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: to take me or show. You all did it on

632
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 1: your own, which is super cool, super super cool. Well,

633
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I think like the door was open for us, Like

634
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gotten hunting by my Like it's just

635
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: sort of like um taking the first step, like you

636
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: honest took me out that one day, and then after

637
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: that I was like, Okay, I can't go do this,

638
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just having it's just having somebody's

639
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: vote of confidence in a way that they're like just

640
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: m kind of path in the book. Literally, I guess

641
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: I think Annie doesn't want hunt turkeys because it's she

642
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: doesn't think it's a womanly activity. She thinks that it

643
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: is less womanly. I'm usually concerned about how womanly the

644
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: activities I'm doing are, and I'm just like, oh, does

645
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: this womanly? Okay, I'll do it. I would say that's

646
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: probably the biggest concern for all three of us. We're

647
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: all very feminine, and I don't actually wear all pink black.

648
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Now that you guys have made that state thing that

649
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: Stafford had, that introduction to hunting, you pretty much all

650
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: consider yourself as hunters. Any do I consider myself? I don't.

651
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I kind of feel like a poser if

652
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: I if I was saying that just because I don't know,

653
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: it's been like eight months since I even hunted, doesn't

654
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: I make you a hunter? Is going skiing wants to

655
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: make you a skier? No? No, I've not gone skiing

656
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: probably ten times, and I consider myself a skier. Now

657
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: you identify as a skier, and like some part of me, yeah,

658
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: like along with all the other things that I do.

659
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: You know, I think if you have intent to learn

660
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: something and I continue to it to do it, then

661
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: I think that you can attach a part of yourself

662
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: to that identity. Like, um, I think that I might

663
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: tell people I'm a hunter, but I'll be like, you know,

664
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm a new hunter. I like, I still haven't killed something.

665
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: But I don't think that necessarily like takes a kill

666
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: to like make you a hunter, you know, because hunting

667
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: isn't about killing action, and nor does the amount of

668
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: time you know, spent doing it really make you a

669
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: hunter either, because there's an amazing amount of hunters out

670
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: there that hunt two or three days every year and

671
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: that's it, and they certainly identify as a hunter. You know. Yeah,

672
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: you could say like I'm a beginner hunter twice maybe, Okay,

673
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: so we're close. So my question is, then, has that

674
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: changed your view a lot of things but mostly just

675
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: like overall, like you're just general view of life now

676
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: that you're like a hunter, do you feel like you

677
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: just view Is there any or anything in particularly you

678
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: can point out you viewed differently now as a hunter? Oh,

679
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean a hund. Food? Yeah, I think food is

680
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: like the biggest thing I mean one, like I haven't

681
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: gone to a grocery store to buy meat at all,

682
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: but whenever I do, like look at meat and the

683
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: meat that I've like again, like any and I both

684
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: butchered our deer from the whole animal down to like

685
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: individually packaged pieces, and it's like, I know exactly like

686
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: what part of that animal, like the meat that I'm eating,

687
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: and when I go out to the restaurant, I think

688
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: about the same thing. And I've been watching a lot

689
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: of like Netflix food areas and reading a lot about

690
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, just where our food comes from lately. Um

691
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just so fascinating now that I that

692
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: I have done the whole experience from field to table,

693
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: Like that's just totally life changing for me. Before uh well,

694
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: I you know, mostly lived in big cities. Um So

695
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: in New York, I had a tomato plant and I

696
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: had some herbs. So sure I had a little guarded

697
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: but like and that was so rewarding, like to have

698
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: start from like the you know, little tomato seeds and

699
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: then to eat the little tomatoes that I got. I mean,

700
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: they weren't great tasting, by the way, They're terrible, but um,

701
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: but that was still like super rewarding. I was so

702
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: excited about that. UM. So I guess I have had

703
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: that same like sense a little bit. UM. I'm sure

704
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: in like a larger scale, gardening is um a lot

705
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: more tasking then buying some seeds and putting them in

706
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: a pot and putting them in my window. UM. But

707
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Hunting is to me, it's different because

708
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: you're actually like killing something and then dealing with a

709
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: lot of blood and guts and UM yeah, I don't know.

710
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's definitely been the biggest life changing part.

711
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: I think for me, like changed my experience with the land,

712
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: like and I think that that's really where it came from.

713
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: Like it came from um doing a lot of hiking

714
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: around the state, by myself deciding I was going to

715
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: do this backpacking trip, by myself going down into the

716
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: wind rivers, hiking in Yellowstone, backpacking Yellowstone, by myself backpacking

717
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: in the beaver Head, like where I saw the elk Um.

718
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: I think it just changes the way that you look

719
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: at the land and like your interaction with animals, and

720
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: the thing that I thought while I was on the

721
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: trail was it would be way more fun to be

722
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: like going and like paying attention to animal behavior and

723
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: being able to know like how are these animals like moving,

724
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: like where are they in the daytime? Where are they

725
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: at night? And um, And probably a little bit of

726
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: that goes back to just my experience with being riding

727
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: horses my whole life and like really paying attention to

728
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: their behavior, like I always loved her behavior and um,

729
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: learning all of those dynamics. Um. And when I sit

730
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: and watch a herd of elk, I mean you see

731
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: all a lot of those same interactions. So I like

732
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: it from that kind of behavioral side, and I like

733
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: it from this side of hiking and being in new

734
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: places and being in places that other people aren't going.

735
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: Like that's really what makes me excited about it. You know,

736
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: I noticed too before any go sorry, is like from

737
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: from the first meat Eat episode that we did at

738
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: the cook one, like sitting there and glassing with Steve

739
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: and Janas and all those guys, and they'd be like,

740
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: there's there's one, there's one, there's a deer. I was

741
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: just like, I have no idea what you guys are

742
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: looking at. Now. I feel like I drive around and

743
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm just like, there's a deer. There's an antelope, you

744
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I see them like really really well,

745
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: and like I pointed out to this to the My

746
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: family was just in town over Christmas when we were

747
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: driving around and I would point them out and they're like,

748
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: how in the world did you see that? And like

749
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: I have no Like I think it just comes from

750
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: developing exactly. Yeah, but so that was yeah again, But

751
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: it's like that connection to land that I really I

752
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: really love. Get your farm life a game. How about

753
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: relationship between men and women now that you guys are hunters?

754
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Has that changed at all? Like dating? Like do you

755
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: guys look at guys differently or like maybe judge a

756
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: guy whether he's a hunter or not. Um. Well, again,

757
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: like having having lived in big cities for so long,

758
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: it's like not something that you would find and really

759
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: in a in somebody there. But now that I moved

760
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: to Bozeman, I mean, I don't know, it's I guess

761
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: it's um it's definitely an attractive actor about somebody if

762
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm like interest in dating them, whether or not they hunt.

763
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not like a deal breaker.

764
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's cool too. Then that just the

765
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: idea of like maybe you know, you can go hunting

766
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: with this person and share this like fun experience and

767
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: meaningful experience that you both enjoy. But it's not it's

768
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: not make or break gentlemen. So if you're listening, put

769
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: the phone number down in the notes. I mean, I

770
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: think the funny thing with that is like, um, I

771
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: don't know, I like viewing viewing it for more of

772
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: a bird's eye rather than like personal experiences that like

773
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: when you're on online dating sites and like you're scrolling

774
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: through guys. I mean, if the first picture that you

775
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: have in your Tinder profile is you with like a

776
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: giant bloody deer, I mean, even if someone who wants

777
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: like I'm like, what are you thinking? Like what are

778
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: you doing? Um? And I mean it's I think that

779
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: it's great that like, um, people attach so much of

780
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: themselves with this identity. UM. But I've also talked to

781
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: some guys that I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, like

782
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: I went on my first white tail hunt and like

783
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: kind of tell them the story and they're like, oh,

784
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: that's cute, you know what I mean, And and I

785
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: find that like kind of demeaning. So uh, you know,

786
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: I think that it takes. I think it takes a

787
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: certain kind of guy to be around, um, like self

788
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: starting women. And I would say all three of us

789
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: are self self starters, you know, like we're all going

790
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: to go out and do things and it doesn't matter

791
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: whether we're a girl, and it doesn't and we don't

792
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: do it because of a boyfriend that's like, oh, come

793
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: on a hunt with me, you know. Um, And I

794
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: think that that's actually like really different. I think that

795
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: there's something really outside of the box about that. But

796
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean to that effect, like I would I personally

797
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: would rather date somebody who's going to go on these

798
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: adventurers and like want to be a part of it.

799
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: But I was raised to step up to the table

800
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: um and think that I had in an equal presence

801
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: there Um. I don't know. I think that I think

802
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: that factors into dating, and I think there are a

803
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: lot of people that aren't used to that. I was

804
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: just gonna say, just with the you know, tender online

805
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: dating profiles instead of seeing dudes with like this is

806
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: just a suggestion to any guy who's a hunter and

807
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: on online dating, like don't show your picture of your

808
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: big black but you should show a picture of you

809
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: like cooking some delicious meal because it's like, okay, you

810
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: can cook for me. You hunt and you cook done

811
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: salts and the bigger the fish, like we get it,

812
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: you know, if you're presenting us with the fish, like

813
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: we're taking all of that literally, so thanks, thanks for that. Okay,

814
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: profiles guys, I mean, but there's a lot of fly

815
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: fishermen out here, so like it's literally like just a

816
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: dude like presenting. Like there's there's two kinds. There's like

817
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: the big toad that they got there, or there's like

818
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: the funny guy who holds up like the like fucking mint.

819
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's, um, it's funny. Like there are just

820
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: a lot of like funny things. And I am and yeah, yeah,

821
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: you know, well, I think what they say about big

822
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: fish is big pan. Well, if you're eating fish, if

823
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: we're eating fish, you do get more made for you

824
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: with the ten pounder for the five pounders. So I

825
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: think that it's nice that guys are trying to be providers. Yeah,

826
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: we're to have one here that had experience with the

827
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: with the female, uh you know equivalent you know, with

828
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: the with the tinder and the like the female that's

829
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: like out there doing that same thing, but we don't unfortunately.

830
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: You mean an example of a woman who's got a

831
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: fish on her profile, yeah, or a dead animal or

832
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: you know whatever. You know, so we could just speak

833
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: to the other side of that. But the pictures I

834
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: have a picture of me, like shooting a clay on mine.

835
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'd rather have somebody like

836
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: I know that I am like passionate about going out

837
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: and just doing fun stuff like you three are representative

838
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: of what I think is a very important portion of

839
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: the hunting public at this point in time, which is

840
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: the women are the fastest growing I guess what demographic

841
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 1: within the hunting community right now. And the other big

842
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: statistic that jumps out of me, and this comes from

843
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: Random Williams, who you guys did a podcast with, But

844
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: the other major major factor in getting both hunting approval

845
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: and converse to people start hunting is food. And every

846
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: all of you mentioned that as your first thing. So

847
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: I think you kind of like right in the sweet

848
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: spot of where growth and the hunting industry and the

849
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: acceptance of hunting and a larger cultural I mean, you're

850
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: kind of it, you know, You're you're right there which

851
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: is interesting, super interesting. Yeah, and I think that Raindall

852
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: actually helped me out and got me a bunch of

853
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: interesting stats for this podcast. And you know, you guys

854
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: all mentioned foods like a major motivator, you know. And

855
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: he was telling me about how, you know, women are

856
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: in surveys twice as likely to say that they hunt

857
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: for meat, you know, um as compared to men, you know,

858
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: which is very very interesting to me. You know why

859
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: that is? You know, you guys like just suck right

860
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: towards that, you know, um, and it's up to almost

861
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 1: eleven now our female hunters, so one out of Yah,

862
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 1: it's amazing for meat eat viewers. That's awesome. Sounds really cool. Yeah,

863
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: it's way cool. That makes me proud. Um. Moving on,

864
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: we really haven't gotten to anything really sticky yet. I'm

865
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: ready yesterday in this morning. I just I want to

866
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: be well informed. What's up with the uh so you

867
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: guys are not hunters and how you're portrayed um in

868
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: the media, and do you appreciate how you're like like

869
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: the way that you're being targeted or you know, how

870
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, ads are geared towards you in the current

871
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: hunting media. And then like the current representation of the

872
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: female hunter on TV. I don't watch a lot of

873
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: hunting TV myself, but you just kind of see what's

874
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: out there on the internet, you know, and definitely who

875
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I see is usually not who I'm here talking to

876
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: with right now. Yeah, I just want to get you

877
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: guys to take a look on that. I don't have

878
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: a ton I also don't watch alat of television or

879
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: I should maybe watch more, but I have like a

880
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: very clear image of kind of what that person is,

881
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's kind of I don't know

882
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: if you should talk about this more like those the

883
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: Barbie Hunter. Yeah, Like, yeah, I think two things that

884
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: bother me most and they probably bother you guys too.

885
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: Are one the word huntress, Yeah, and to what's when

886
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: I think of a huntress, I think of like a

887
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, bimboie sexy sexual about it? Yeah, huntress who's

888
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: not there, who's not there for herself? Who's there to

889
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: like be sexy? Two men, you know what I mean?

890
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: And to shrink it and pink it like that is

891
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: like the like that's like the marketing slogan are women's

892
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: hunting clothing and gear? It's yeah, it's discussing. I mean

893
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, the pink is not disgusting, but like,

894
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: but the fact that it represents, like that's supposed to

895
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: represent like women hunters, Like I don't see the value

896
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: of pink at all in the field, you know what

897
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I would rather just wear camo and

898
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: then like hunter or whatever, I need to wear. Pink

899
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: is extraneous to me. And um, I mean I get

900
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 1: the shrinket thing obviously, like we're smaller generally than than dudes.

901
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, I just don't like that. It's

902
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: that's and it's and it's not just hunting. It's like,

903
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, marketing to women across the board in in

904
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: any thing, you know, any consumer item, but of the

905
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: whole problem, right totally. Um, But that to me, between

906
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: the sex stup you know, Barbie hunting and the pink

907
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: and you know, all that kind of stuff, Like I

908
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: don't want to be I don't want to be marketed

909
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: that way. Like what's interesting to me is, um is

910
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: not that. And I don't want to name names of

911
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: like women who do that in the hunting media because

912
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: we already know who we're talking about. For the most part,

913
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: but what I think is, um, what I do like

914
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: in the media is um, you know, people like uh,

915
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lawrence and um, Hunger Games, you know what I mean,

916
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: or like Brave in the Disney film, you know what

917
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Like those are like just different representative different

918
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: representations of women hunters. Um. And you know, obviously Hungry

919
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: Games isn't all about hunting but hunting humans mostly the

920
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: most dangerous game. But um, but like I like those

921
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: resist not really I mean no more than I mean

922
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: they didn't hire me to start in it. But you

923
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's not really she's she's you know,

924
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 1: like she's not wearing anything that's like revealing or anything

925
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: like that. And not to say that women shouldn't wear

926
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: those kinds of clipe. Women can wear whatever they want.

927
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: But I don't think within hunting media, um specifically, and

928
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean being in social um for meat Eater, I

929
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: definitely like we follow a lot of different accounts and UM,

930
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: like definitely like part of what I do is like

931
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: looking into media and finding out what trends are, and um,

932
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of I think really cool and

933
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: interesting female hunters. I mean, I've always liked Rachel Tila.

934
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: I think that she is really interesting. Um, she's really

935
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: like the one that stands out to me personally. But

936
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: I think, like what I think what's happened in like

937
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: a lot of like like Instagram and um Facebook, is

938
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: that it becomes like the this like brigade of selfies.

939
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: Like it becomes a girl who's like rifle hunting in

940
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: camo with paint on her face. And you know, I know,

941
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: um from a basic hunting background that that's probably like

942
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: not necessary. So I mean, I think that there are

943
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: a lot of and I have a real problem people

944
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: are like, oh, like they need to show real women.

945
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: Like I believe that these women are real women. They're

946
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: just they're just playing to their sexuality. And I think

947
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: that that sells like sex cells. But I, um, I

948
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: don't know, it would be nice to have like more

949
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: visible hunting role models for like your girls growing up

950
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: that are like thoughtful and um, not narcissistic. And and

951
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: I think that like that's really the key is that

952
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: I think that when you look at a lot of

953
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: those profiles are kind of like these want to be

954
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: um celebrities or you know, even the people that are

955
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: like minor celebrities. I think some of them are good

956
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: role models, but I think that, um, like when I'm

957
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: looking at forty five selfies in a row, like I've

958
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: learned nothing and I don't know maybe how to do

959
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 1: your makeup? Yeah, and then yeah, then it's not about

960
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: hunting and it's not about like the message that your

961
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: trade being like a sex kitten look at me. Yeah,

962
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: um yeah. I mean I think my personal take on

963
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: like women, role models and mentors is that, you know,

964
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: like whatever way you look at it, like, okay, so

965
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: hunting is a sub subculture like it may have at

966
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: one point then you know, the main culture in our society,

967
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: but now it's it's decreasing and now so if I

968
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: would consider it like a subculture, and I think anybody

969
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: who participates in a subculture of any kind becomes an

970
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: ambassador for that subculture. And I just when I think

971
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: about what I look for in a role model, or

972
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: I think role model maybe puts like too much pressure

973
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: on it, but like a mentor is somebody, Yeah, it's

974
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: just like somebody who's an ambassador, an ambassador, and that's

975
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: like that's more what I want to see is like

976
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: women who are ambassadors for the sport, not for selfies

977
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: and you know in camo, but like women who are

978
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: paint a picture of that ideal, like who who would

979
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: that ideal be? Who would it be billed her from

980
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: the ground up? And like an Instagram account form or something.

981
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I could think of a lot of like

982
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: personal female mentors that maybe nobody who listening to this

983
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: podcast can relate to. But um, I guess just sort

984
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: of characteristics and attributes. Oh, I mean, um, I guess

985
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: somebody who is just like extremely ethical. And that's a

986
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: very broad term because everyone's personal hunting ethics are different.

987
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: But um, somebody who acts in a way that they have,

988
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: you know, nothing to hide, I guess, and that the

989
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: other people admire, not just men, not just women, but

990
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: men you know admire and um and who I guess, Yeah, again,

991
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: like don't make it about their appearance, but make it

992
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: about their actions. Like I want to see more of

993
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: like what what they're doing is good. And I'm sure

994
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: there are like again, like hunting women in hunting who

995
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: whose actions are genuine. But I feel and maybe that's

996
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: just me, but I feel like so much more distracted

997
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: by the way that they look and the way that

998
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: they present themselves and like what they're their actions are

999
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: if that makes any sense, you know what I mean.

1000
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: And I think like the perfect example is like when

1001
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: we had barbed On meat Eater and she took Steve

1002
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: City grass hunting, and she, you know, she showed him

1003
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: like this totally different way of hunting. Like that was

1004
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: like a really interesting, um relationship between them. And I

1005
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: think that it's kind of like what what women do

1006
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: a lot, and we just come at things and I

1007
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: mean she obviously like learned from her dad and like,

1008
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: and I think that, um, there are a lot of

1009
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: women and hunting the learned from their parents, and I

1010
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: think that that is a really beautiful thing. Um, it's

1011
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: awesome to read about people who are taking not just

1012
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: their sons hunting, but they're taking their daughter's hunting. And

1013
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm it seems like that's something that's changed over the

1014
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: past like thirty years. Um. So I don't know, I

1015
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: don't I feel like in the media, like I have

1016
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: no expectation that I'm going to actually like see more

1017
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: of these people, but like on a level of someone

1018
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: who's a reader, or on the level of someone who

1019
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: just like developing community, like the type of women that

1020
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: like I want to be around or like women like

1021
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: Brittany and Anny and people like Barb and like people

1022
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: that I can learn from, you know. But I just

1023
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't discount men from the process either. I just

1024
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: I think that like, there are a lot of UM,

1025
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: really incredible guys out there like doing cool things and hunting,

1026
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: and I think there are a lot of guys that

1027
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: UM aren't. You know, well, I think it's super important

1028
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: to um establish or find or highlight really good solid

1029
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: women hunters that have a lot to say and have

1030
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: a lot to show. And you know, just I'll put

1031
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: it out there that I'm looking for you. I have

1032
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: the baby on the way, not to date, but to

1033
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: uh but to uh you know, continue this this effort

1034
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: that we're making here too, to put out a certain

1035
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: type of hunting ethic and hunting culture that we make

1036
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: at Meat Eater and the rest of our stuff. And

1037
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: and you know, it is important. I've been we have

1038
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: been looking for a character for for a female hunting

1039
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: it's called role model or or or individual for a

1040
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: while and UM still looking just just to put out there.

1041
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: And I think it is super important because we just interviewed, um,

1042
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: this really amazing woman in Washington, d C. For this

1043
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: documentary we're making, and and she has a beautiful hunting

1044
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: story and a beautiful like background, and her her understanding

1045
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: of the whole things really touching and really heartfelt and

1046
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: very smart. And she shared very clearly that she doesn't

1047
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: she doesn't have anybody too. She doesn't she doesn't feel

1048
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: she has. She she called an identity crisis inizens, a

1049
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: hunting identity crisis, because she didn't see others um and

1050
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: feel and hear others that she would consider peers or

1051
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: that she would look up to. And I think, I

1052
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: think it's it's really important what you're doing. You want

1053
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: to you want to feel a part of something. And

1054
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: I think you know, in our media state, we do

1055
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: need we do need to put people. I mean you

1056
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: look at you, look at Steve, and how many people

1057
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: right into us every single day of Like, man, I

1058
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: really connect to this community because of because of what

1059
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: you guys do. And it's it is important. Yeah, I

1060
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: think it's important to feel represented, like no matter you know,

1061
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: consciously or unconsciously, like especially when you're young and you're

1062
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: growing up like your girls for example, like you look

1063
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: whenever time and in any kind of media form, like

1064
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: you look for someone who who looks like you or

1065
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: who who like who you want to model yourself after.

1066
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: And I haven't found that person in hunting as in

1067
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: the female role. I mean, Steve has been like incredible

1068
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: mentor for me. You Danielle has are both incredible incredible

1069
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: mentors for me, and I wouldn't change that for the world.

1070
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: But I do, like I would be lying if I

1071
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: didn't say that, I'm I still always look for some

1072
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: kind of you know, female mentor in in you know

1073
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: whatever hunting or or hunting media or I mean any

1074
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: media and any media for for for that matter. But um,

1075
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, I guess I haven't really found that necessarily

1076
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: in in the hunting he has done for for women

1077
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: in the fighting world in the past two years or

1078
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: three years. I mean, it's just it's incredible what's happened there.

1079
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: But she's an incredible fighter, like she's not just an

1080
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: incredible women fighter like I don't or female fighter. I

1081
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I think, I don't know, if maybe

1082
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: there were more women hunters like to be role models,

1083
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: maybe I would feel more like attracted not sexually just

1084
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: like to them, but like for me, like Steve and

1085
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: all you guys are that community. For me, I don't

1086
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: feel like have an hunting identity crisis because for me,

1087
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: like this works and this fits, and everything you guys

1088
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: are doing and Steve does on his show to me

1089
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: is like how I want to be as a hunter

1090
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: And it doesn't really matter what gender anyone is to

1091
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: me personally. No, I totally understand, and I agree, Like

1092
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't say I'm not I'm not saying I I

1093
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: don't feel like I don't have like a tribe in

1094
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: like the hunting world tribe that like other people could

1095
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: go and find, Like I don't know. I mean, it's

1096
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: like I feel like you kind of have to You

1097
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: either end up in your own community or you have

1098
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: to really seek it out. And so I feel for

1099
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: somebody who doesn't have UM what like we're able to

1100
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: have here. And I would guess that meat eaters um

1101
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: special in the fact that there are so many women

1102
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: that work on it um and that there have been

1103
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: women working on it all along, you know, on a

1104
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: behind the scenes basis, and I think that it's um.

1105
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the things that got

1106
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: me really excited to work in meat eaters that I

1107
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: interviewed with Britney and Helen the week before they went

1108
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: elk hunting, and um, I was excited for you guys

1109
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: and you know it and it was such a great

1110
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: show and it. Um. I don't know, those are the

1111
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: stories that need to be out there, you know. But

1112
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: I think that more women are coming to it. Um.

1113
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a hard thing to come to you

1114
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: on your own, and to be honest, like, I don't

1115
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: know if I would have had the ability or like

1116
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: confidence to hunt if I hadn't been working at Meat Eater,

1117
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: Like I would still say that I wanted to hunt,

1118
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: but if I hadn't been working here, like, I don't

1119
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: know that I would have gone hunting last of all.

1120
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: So that's definitely another side of it. I think we

1121
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: have a we have a built in community for sure. Yeah,

1122
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: And I don't think, you know, I don't think it's

1123
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: necessarily about like trying to divide like men and women,

1124
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: but I don't. I also think it's it's sort of

1125
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: silly not to have, you know, to to say like, oh,

1126
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gender blind or I'm color blind, Like I

1127
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: think it's your post feminist you know. I don't like

1128
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that that should should be Like I

1129
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: think we should celebrate our our differences and our similarities,

1130
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and doesn't. But it doesn't

1131
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: mean that I want to be treated any differently. But

1132
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: it's like I think it would be still particularly because

1133
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: women are still the like minority in hunting, I think

1134
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: we do need to take like that extra step to

1135
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, you know what, like come and

1136
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: join our group and and so that's why I think,

1137
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, I I identify as both a hunter, like

1138
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: in the general sense and as a woman hunter and

1139
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: hope that other women see that, you know who maybe

1140
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: just don't necessarily feel as comfortable like as as say,

1141
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: like we were joining in with you guys hunting and stuff,

1142
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: and um who who do need like that that female

1143
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: um sociality? Like one am I trying to say? But um?

1144
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, And like I just I hope that I

1145
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: don't know, I can be that too somebody for your

1146
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: daughter's honest, do you think they do you think do

1147
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: you want the female hunt role model for them? Does

1148
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: that matter to you? I think if they, you know,

1149
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: at some point might have a question that I just

1150
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, might not be able to answer. You know,

1151
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: as a male, and it might be hunting related, and

1152
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: at that point they just might need I mean that's

1153
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: a big reason that my wife is, you know, continuing

1154
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: her hunting education so that she can have that conversation

1155
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 1: with them and explain things, you know. And so again

1156
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessary that they need them, but

1157
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: it would be nice if like the the need came

1158
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: up that you know, you could say, yeah, we'll go

1159
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: talk to her or go look at her writing, you

1160
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: know whatever it might be. Well, I think that like traditionally,

1161
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: like if you like a traditional media, like a lot

1162
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: of it is designed to kind of pit women against

1163
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: each other and put us in competitive places. And um,

1164
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think that like when you think about

1165
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: like these the Barbie hunters, Um, I mean, they're not

1166
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: designed to be attractive for women, like they're designed to

1167
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: be to be pulling men in. And that's um that

1168
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: creates a competitive kind of environment in itself. So I

1169
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: think it's like it's interesting when um, women like us

1170
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: who don't necessarily ascribe to that kind of ideal. I

1171
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: mean it's not that I'm not going to like put

1172
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: on makeup and wear a dress and like look nice Um,

1173
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm just not going to be like dress like in

1174
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: the mud with my right uf right, But I I

1175
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: think it is important to like to recognize that, Um,

1176
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of those girls who where we

1177
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: might not necessarily be pointing fingers at, I mean, they

1178
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: could be sitting and having a really great intellectual conversation

1179
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: alongside us. So, UM, I would say that appearance is

1180
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: the thing that gets you followers or like might be

1181
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: the thing that like bring you to the top of

1182
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: the list, and especially in a world where of hunters

1183
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: are men. Like I mean, if you put an you know,

1184
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: a normal woman in a hunting show that didn't have

1185
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 1: that appeal, it would be interesting to me if that

1186
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: show would succeed. Like and I mean that's really the basis,

1187
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: Like do you guys, um, you know, are they going

1188
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: to trade in like what they've been advertised their whole life?

1189
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's the same thing we've all been advertised,

1190
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's what we're supposed to be.

1191
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: We're supposed to be the thin um hair extension, plump

1192
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: lips you know, yeah exactly. But West Office, I will say,

1193
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: like one thing about um, you know, will men relate

1194
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: to two women in media and this is a very

1195
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: broad example and um, but I think it's interesting how

1196
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: many more women are now, like are starring in action

1197
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: movie roles. For example, the most recent Star Wars that

1198
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: came out. I mean it's about a woman and a

1199
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: black man, you know what I mean. I mean, you

1200
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: see a lot of that. But like in Star Wars,

1201
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: and that movie broke box office records, you know what

1202
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: I mean? And again like the Hunger Games, like I

1203
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: think mad Max. Yeah, Like, I think, actually men are

1204
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: interested in seeing women in these socially male roles in

1205
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: the media, and hopefully it's not that they're super honestly

1206
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: like those I think that those stars that you noted

1207
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: are also very hot and sexy in that same but

1208
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: you know what, like men in all those roles are

1209
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: the same. I mean, they're also just as attractive. And

1210
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't think like in Hungry like again, they're not

1211
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: wearing No, I didn't go watched Wars to to see

1212
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 1: you know, tits and asked like the Star Wars asked

1213
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: for the story was for the character. I think there's

1214
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: an element of transcendence no matter what that you know,

1215
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: people can get down to in with hunting particularly, it's

1216
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: such a human activity. It's a transcending activity. It's not

1217
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: a gendered activity. I mean, we can label that afterward,

1218
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: but the actual experience of from a media perspective, Let

1219
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: me ask you this question because I want to know

1220
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: if maybe you guys, could you guys ever foresee any

1221
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: advantages going into the field and being successful in killing something?

1222
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: Because you ever see an advantage? Being a woman's play

1223
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: a very big role because as a fly fishing guide,

1224
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: you know, I saw it over and over again if

1225
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: you took the same you know, experience of fishermen, and

1226
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: it could be beginners and it could be experienced. But

1227
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: because I often would have clients that were um couples

1228
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: who have been fishing together for many years and both

1229
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: were very experienced. Could each cast, you know, way past

1230
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: the bank, get all your flies lost, and you know,

1231
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: sometimes put where they had to be. But if you

1232
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: had to bet, just like who's going to catch the

1233
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: most fish, it was the woman And it was usually

1234
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: because her lack of ego would allow her to listen

1235
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: to the guide take those directions and be like that,

1236
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to him because that or her if

1237
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: the guy was God was a gal, But that's gonna

1238
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: help me catch fish, And so they would end up

1239
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: catching more fish. Would often make for very frustrated husbands

1240
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: male counterparts. But like, so I could see that because

1241
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: you could like put your ego aside and think more

1242
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: clearly through the you know tactic or you know, however

1243
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: you want to look at, you know whatever, it was

1244
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: ahead of you to challenge. I think, I mean, I

1245
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: think coachability is definitely something that's built into women. We

1246
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: were like I mean, I don't know, I guess for

1247
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: me personally, I grew up playing sports, so it was

1248
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: a natural part of what I did. I maybe I

1249
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't speak for all women. I think that like, um,

1250
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: when people talk about I've heard people say and I

1251
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: haven't seen like anything empirical. If it's out there, please

1252
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: let me know that. Um, women are better shots when

1253
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: they are learning how to shoot, because it's not I mean,

1254
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: for us, it's just something that we're learning how to do,

1255
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: and for minutes perceived as something that's the masculine. Oh,

1256
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: I should be good at shooting. You know, Um that

1257
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: I took a bad shot on And I'm saying, like,

1258
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: when you go out to the range, like and you're

1259
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: like kind of like learning that like basic like the basics,

1260
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: Like it seems like, um, I don't know that I

1261
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: took my wife shooting this year for the first time,

1262
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: and um, she shot better than I did, but she

1263
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: took it was to thirty minutes to shoot four shots

1264
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: shoot myself the same way I feel like, I mean,

1265
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: there's just like a different type of like uh, perfectionism

1266
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: that has like kind of been fostered than us and

1267
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: like kind of a from a gendered perspective, I don't know.

1268
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: This is all like anecdotal, so like it's it's funny

1269
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: because I think from like an experiential place, like I

1270
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: know that I'm a really coachable person and I know

1271
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: that I'm like a person who's open to that. But

1272
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: I also know like other women that I'm like you

1273
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: could never tell them what to do. So it's it's

1274
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: it's a big also, like again, like anecdotally, when I

1275
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: was hunting with Doug in do the dough that I shot,

1276
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean, what I guess wasn't seen in the footage

1277
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: was like we saw her, you know, very like um,

1278
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, maybe like ten minutes or so

1279
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: before and Doug was just like, all right, move over here,

1280
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: moving here, and she had no idea where we were,

1281
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: and I was like, she's gonna walk right in front

1282
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: of me, Like I don't want to like get up

1283
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: and rustle around, you know. But he kept being like,

1284
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: and this is nothing against Doug. I loved Doug, and

1285
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: I listened to him, you know, no, no problem, take

1286
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 1: his advice. But I just like, I don't know if

1287
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: this is a good example of either I've just had

1288
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: the patience to wait, or like I was just completely

1289
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: ignoring his advice. But he just kept telling me, like

1290
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: move and get into this position, and I just I

1291
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: wanted to wait until because I just had this feeling

1292
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: that she was going to walk right in front of me,

1293
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: and she did, and I shot her. You know, I

1294
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: don't know like what that's if that's either proving or

1295
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: disproving at the point that we're making, but I don't know,

1296
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: just another anecdote, but that was that being a woman

1297
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: helped you in that situation. But I'm just you know,

1298
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: what you guys are talking about, like whether women are

1299
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: more patient to wait for a better shot or were

1300
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: for more coachable. Again, I don't know that was just

1301
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: I think hunting and hunting media has been like really

1302
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: male focused, so like we don't necessarily like have all

1303
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: um of the baggage. I guess of like having somebody

1304
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: tell us what we should be as marksman or as

1305
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: like a fly fisherman. I mean you think of all

1306
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: those words, like I mean marks, I mean it's not

1307
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: marks women. It can be, but like if you're going

1308
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: like just gonna say it like man, Like the word

1309
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: man is attached to all those words, and I like

1310
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: language though, those are just like kind of some of

1311
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: the things that stick out. But I don't know, I

1312
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: think that like sometimes you get so high level and

1313
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: just going back to like what we're saying initially, like

1314
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: all of our first hunting experiences, like they weren't gendered experiences,

1315
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: they were hunting experiences, So, um, what's the benefit to that.

1316
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: I think maybe the benefit is the fact that we

1317
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: are in a society like where we can go out

1318
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: and do those things and I can um own a

1319
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: gun and rent an apartment on my own and um

1320
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: no vote. You know, we live in like a different

1321
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: world with different opportunities, and I think we're allowed to

1322
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: be more creative within those opportunities than women have been before.

1323
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, I think that we are like a

1324
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: new We are new hunters and kind of the biggest

1325
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: sense of that word. You guys are miss sing out here.

1326
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this is going Okay. You guys

1327
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: haven't made as female owners. Okay, just on the basis

1328
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: of permission. I knew you're gonna do this. You can

1329
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:28,879
Speaker 1: like landowners and being like hide you answered the door,

1330
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: and you and your other self was there talking to

1331
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: you like that, maybe you wouldn't say yes you could.

1332
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: Maybe women had come to that door before that. Maybe

1333
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: if three thousand women had came to come to that

1334
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: same door, the answer would be different. Right, yes, for sure.

1335
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: So but that's just where we stand right now. Women's

1336
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: a woman that answers the door, well exactly. I think

1337
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: it would still play on your back. We're a little

1338
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 1: bit more to us. I mean, women like hunting. Women

1339
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: hunting is so because women are supposed to be feminine, right,

1340
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: They're supposed to be like providers in or not? What

1341
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: am I trying to say? I had written it down anyway,

1342
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: but respectful and like less of a threat and less

1343
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: likely in I think my eyes, at least like go

1344
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: out and trash my property, leave my gates open. Yeah,

1345
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: absolutely that other people are doing that like I was

1346
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: when I saw the elk hunters. To give you guys

1347
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,519
Speaker 1: time to think about what you guys want to say

1348
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: in closing comments, I'm gonna start off with Steve's closing

1349
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 1: hunt comments. It's gonna come back to the advantages of

1350
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,480
Speaker 1: being a woman associate with hunting. He feels so strongly

1351
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: about it that he told me he was here right now,

1352
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: no offense, he bogart the conversation. He told me that

1353
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: he would become a woman to gain those advantages. Get out.

1354
01:14:55,160 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: Don't even get you started on this defini. Can you

1355
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: just hear her he's making She would have a very

1356
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: slender frame. He would make a good look again, ros

1357
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: amazing amount of hunting properties to hunt on for free.

1358
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: I would never use my gender or sexuality like to

1359
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: my advantage in that situation. Ever, even if it was

1360
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: like to get like, I don't even know what the

1361
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 1: biggest buck in the world, we don't need to here.

1362
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I think that like I don't know,

1363
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a statement of inexperience. Oh yeah,

1364
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: because hunting permissions are you need them everywhere all the time.

1365
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: They're great to have. The more the better. I'm had

1366
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: a couple of people off her, but um, his whole

1367
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,680
Speaker 1: about that, it's gonna go ahead and pull it up.

1368
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: I forgot about that's right. Well, Okay, So I when

1369
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: we began working with Randy Newburgh, part of what we

1370
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: were helping out with hunt Talk and UM, part of

1371
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: what I was doing is going on to hunt Talk,

1372
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: and um like reading Randy's hunting stories and like figuring

1373
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: out how to factor that into a social and UM,

1374
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm nosy and very curious, and I started reading like

1375
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: some of the comment threads, and UM, that's it's a

1376
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 1: really cool community. And so I got involved by just

1377
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: opening my big mouth and um, you know, just challenging

1378
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: some of the status quo statements that we're going on

1379
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: in there. And I mean there are a lot of

1380
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: great people who um I've already like just met through there.

1381
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean even with Randy Johanness and I were on

1382
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 1: his podcast last night. So UM, I would go on

1383
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: and ask questions and UM, none of those questions were

1384
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: ever asking for anything really specific. It was usually something

1385
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: about shooting or um, like a basic question about tags,

1386
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: And so I asked like a basic question about tags

1387
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: and in Montana and just trying to figure out the system.

1388
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 1: And I don't even remember like what the question was.

1389
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: But about fifteen minutes later, I got a personal message

1390
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: from someone and he used to hunt in Montana. He

1391
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: had like all of his GPS spots, and he sent

1392
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: me a list of like all of his honey hooles

1393
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: that he'd accumulated over like the course of his life

1394
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: and his family's life. So I do you are you

1395
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: guys saying that's because she was a girl or because

1396
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm also incredibly play and while spoken in articulate,

1397
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: So I don't know that man helps, you know, And

1398
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: I would say that maybe that guy did it, has

1399
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: you know, been a part of that for him, and

1400
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: there's a beginner or there he's like he was definitely

1401
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: he was definitely like blatant, like do not chair list

1402
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: with anybody, Like I'm going out of my way to

1403
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: share this with you because like I and a lot

1404
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 1: of it was because I was doing it on my own,

1405
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: um and I was going to go out and hunt

1406
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: by myself, right, So like I had like kind of

1407
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: made this plan, and um, but I never asked for

1408
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,839
Speaker 1: I make it known that I would never ask anybody

1409
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: for a location to go hunting. In Let's do a

1410
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 1: social experiment seriously, like for next season. Let's let's set

1411
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: up Brittany and I once had a contest that I

1412
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: beat her. We'll have a different contest to hunting. Hunting

1413
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: permission contest for like leading up to fall, like we

1414
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: have to ask, I'll do it or somebody the other guy.

1415
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: I will will go head to head. You ask twenty

1416
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: people for permission. I'll ask people for permission. It's a

1417
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: good exercise anyway. I mean i'd win. It's fine, But no,

1418
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: I mean that was it was a crazy thing for

1419
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: him to offer, and I like couldn't explain like how

1420
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:04,480
Speaker 1: much it meant to me. But I also like, um,

1421
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: a lot of those areas I didn't want to go

1422
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: into by myself. I mean, they're like the heart of

1423
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 1: Grizzly Country. So if anybody wants to go hunting with me,

1424
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:18,839
Speaker 1: I have some secret ye to do your sweetest permission

1425
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: asking of Nicole to get this postomer a lot of

1426
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: my girls in a couple of years come over. That's true.

1427
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: They can come with hunting with me anytime? Any closing thoughts?

1428
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 1: What are closing thoughts? Last? I don't know? Wrap up?

1429
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,560
Speaker 1: Or did you? Was that yours? No? Can? I got you?

1430
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: Kind of salty salty podcast? Why I salty? She's a

1431
01:19:51,160 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: salty human. Love her go ahead? I don't know. I guess.

1432
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 1: Like my before we maybe turning the podcast on, we

1433
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: had like we discussed having a word of intention for

1434
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: for our podcast, and mine would be ambassador because I

1435
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: just I think I want to be UH an ambassador

1436
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: not only just for hunters, but for women hunters um

1437
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: and I I hope that other women want to do

1438
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: the same, and I hope that other men want to

1439
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: do the same and encourage more women to get into hunting,

1440
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: because I think it's again, it's like it doesn't have

1441
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: to be like about you know, being macho and you

1442
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: know like oh, you know, I'm just killing big books

1443
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: and all. It's like for me, it's about food, and

1444
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: I think that should be important to everybody. But if

1445
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm particularly interested in getting women involved

1446
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: in so anyhow, I would like to be an ambassador.

1447
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: I think more people should be ambassadors, and I think

1448
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 1: more people men and women and children should be interested

1449
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: in in hunting and should feel like me Eater is

1450
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: a safe place and to be there for me Eater

1451
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: to be like the air tribe of people and to

1452
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: think that to know that they can always come to

1453
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: us with questions, um and concerns and that sort of thing.

1454
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: You know, I want us to be the outlet. So

1455
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: that's my closing statement. I think you should go next,

1456
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 1: and sure, um yeah, I don't know. I My closing

1457
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: thoughts are my mom is getting back into hunting a

1458
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 1: little bit, and she's fifty nine. And I think she

1459
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: got a turkey tag last year because there's been a

1460
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: lot of turkeys in her yard and she didn't kill one.

1461
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: And I think she sat. She sat two nights in

1462
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: a dear blind this last fall. And and this is

1463
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: there's been definitely a hunting resurgence in my family. I

1464
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: grew up hunting a lot. My famili's all hunted forever,

1465
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: forever ever, And my mom never killed a deer in

1466
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: my lifetime that I'm aware of, but she would always

1467
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: tell the story about the one time she had an opportunity.

1468
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: She um she was she actually I shouldn't tell this,

1469
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: but I think she was peeing in the so she

1470
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: wasn't ready to go. But I'm really excited that she's back.

1471
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,799
Speaker 1: And I think that the food part of being involved

1472
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: with media and being part of this company and doing

1473
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: this whole thing has been a big part for my family. Um,

1474
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, and my my mom and my dad and

1475
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: my brother and have all really been more into the

1476
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: cooking and are you know, making sure they get three

1477
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 1: or four deer a year and filled the freezer and

1478
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: do everything, and um, it makes men actually want to

1479
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: go hunt with my mom And I would actually never

1480
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: have hunted with my mom. I think it'd be really fun.

1481
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: I'd love to. You know, my wife has never hunted,

1482
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: and she got real excited last year and bought four

1483
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: dollars with the tags and never went out. Um mind

1484
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: you mind, she did get pregnant to But yeah, no,

1485
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I think it's I think it's

1486
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: cool at uh we you know, as a show and

1487
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: as a company, are you know getting more into it

1488
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: and addressing it more of something I'd like to do more.

1489
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: That's all I got. I have something to say. Um,

1490
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of just continuing with both of you said, is

1491
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: like not everyone can work as EPs or work on

1492
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: me Eater, or go to Alaska and film a documentary

1493
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: with Steve Um. So I was gonna say, Um, I

1494
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: just think it's super important for us and people in

1495
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: the media and hunters just to be ethical and like

1496
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: put regardless of gender, just like be good examples for everyone.

1497
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: Because of the general public or people that are into it,

1498
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: like they have a very clear vision of what we

1499
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: all are. And if you could see us Mr right now,

1500
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: like we're not that. My mom actually bought her tags

1501
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: for this fall to go hunting. She bow hunted when

1502
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: I was before I was born with her brothers. She's

1503
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: from Montana. But um, I think that's really cool and

1504
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to hopefully hunting with her this fall.

1505
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: But um just thinking back to what we talked about,

1506
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: I think that like sometimes this big wall is built

1507
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: between men and women, and um, I think that the

1508
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 1: three of us especially and like the people here, um,

1509
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: I love like how conscious we all are about thinking

1510
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: about that wall and like making sure that that world

1511
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 1: doesn't get built or at least wondering like why it's there.

1512
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: And I I like when people are intentionally thoughtful. I

1513
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 1: think that in a very traditional culture it's easy to um,

1514
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, shrug your shoulders and say, oh, you're just

1515
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: being PC, you're being politically correct, or you are, um,

1516
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, you're not representative of the whole of hunters. Well,

1517
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: I think that, like this, hunting is about storytelling, and

1518
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: I think that everybody has a story that they can

1519
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 1: attached to it. And I think that the more open

1520
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: people are about, um, the type of people getting into hunting,

1521
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: whether it's women or you know, people coming in from

1522
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: the city's the hipster hunters, like whatever they are. Um,

1523
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean I think it is. I think that there's

1524
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: a place for everybody in hunting, and um, I'm happy that,

1525
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,719
Speaker 1: um I get to be a part of that like messaging,

1526
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: especially like coming from Meat Eater and coming from a

1527
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: show that like I feel like I could show it

1528
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: to any of my friends and and I have shown

1529
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: it to a lot of my friends, and it's really

1530
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: cool to get that experience where they're like, oh, like

1531
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: this is totally not a hunting show, you know, but

1532
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 1: it is. And I just think that gets to the

1533
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: heart of like what we're really talking about, which like

1534
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: isn't gender, it's it's really about like story stories. Very

1535
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: well said, Yes, um. All I gotta say is be wary.

1536
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: If a soft spoken, high pitched voice Stephanie Runella introduces

1537
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: yourself at your pharm door, be very, very wary. Thank

1538
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 1: you for listening, Thank you guys for coming on. I

1539
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It It was fun, good conversation. Sorry,