1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Hello, dear Internet friends. I'm Robert Evans, and this is 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards, the show where we tell you 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: all of history. And this is part two of our 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: two part our episode on a Harvey Weinstein. In part one, 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: we started outlining all of the different people who had 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: to essentially compromise their morality, do artwright terrible things or 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: questionable things in order to allow Harvey to prey on 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: women and get away with it for decades. Uh. And 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: in this episode, we're doing more of that, starting with 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's spy army. But before we get into that, 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: I would like to introduce my guest for this episode. Uh, 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: same guest we had last time, Anna hosnia Ho, host 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: of the Ethnically Ambiguous podcast and other things. Thank you 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, alright, we're getting back into Harvey 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: weinstein spy army. Uh. So, Harvey Weinstein's net worth, at 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: least before all this came crashing down on him, was 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: generally reported as being in the two D three hundred 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: million dollar reign. Uh this meant really because could you imagine? 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: So this this means he has enough disposable income to 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: not just buy off people, but pay for these services 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: of companies. Uh. Two days ago we talked about a 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: company called Kroll. Um. When however, you would settle with people, 24 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: he would have the security company go through their phones 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: and electronic devices. Right in fun fact, it's Nick Kroll's 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: family comedian. Really yeah, same family. Really, that's his grandfather's company. 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: Well that's unsettling. Really. Two days ago, when I was like, oh, 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: that's a familiar name, you didn't catch what I meant. 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm just crazy. No, No, I didn't catch with him 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: as at all. And I didn't even think about like 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: I figured it was like Kroll was some sort of 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: weird acronym for something, because it was like, okay, well, 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: so Weinstein hired Kroll security services to do things like 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: when he would settle with a woman, they would go 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: through all of that lady stuff vices to make sure 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: she hadn't recorded Weinstein saying anything, didn't have any pictures 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: of him. It was part of how he sort of 38 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: cleaned up after himself. Um. And in two thousand sixteen, 39 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: Dan Carson, chairman of Kroll's Investigations and Disputes Division, sent 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: Harvey eleven photos of Rose McGowan and he together at 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: events over the years since the alleged assault. Um. These 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: were photographs of them having conversations, smiling. Kroll's whole goal 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: there was to find as many pictures as they could 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: of Rose McGowan talking to Harvey Weinstein and looking comfortable 45 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: to use against her, to use against her. Look at them, 46 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: What a great relationship they love each other. If she 47 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: had a problem with him, why is she smiling in 48 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: this picture with him stuck in a system that's oppressing 49 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: her from start to the end. You know, no big deal. Yeah. So, 50 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: as soon as he got the photos from Kroll, Harvey 51 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: sent them over to his defense attorney, who called one 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: picture of Rose and Harvey having a friendly chat quote 53 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: the money shot, which is disturbing. Yeah, it's like a 54 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: omelet of grossness. Um. When Weinstein was meeting with the 55 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: reporter from New York magazine, Krol sent him a summary 56 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: of criticisms of the reporter's past work, as well as 57 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: a profile on the reporter's ex wife, noting it quote 58 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: might prove relevant to considerations of our response strategy when 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: Wallace's article and our client is finally published. So Basically 60 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: he get to use Kroll is sort of like an 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: external brain almost like he's like, this woman is going 62 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: to come out. I need someone to go through publicly 63 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: available images and find everything you can that makes her 64 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: look like my friend or whatever. That's what this company 65 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: would do for him. It's Skivie. But nothing he's using 66 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: Kroll for is super nefarious. It's just more like a 67 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: story manipulator. Yeah, I need someone to Google for a 68 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: long time and so that I can then use the 69 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: information they bring up. So that's that's what Kroll is doing. 70 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: So I guess in Nick Kroll's family's defense, nothing that 71 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I've read about them doing is nightmarish. Yet that changes 72 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: when we get to a little company Weinstein also hired 73 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: called Black Cube Legends. Yeah. So, Black Cube's website describes 74 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: the company as quote a select group of veterans from 75 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: the Israeli elite intelligence units that specializes in tailored solutions 76 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: to complex business and litigation challenges. Yeah. Um, so I 77 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: spent some time on their website. I figured that Black 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: Cubes work for Weinstein would fall under the litigation challenges 79 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: category because it seems like a challenging case with like 80 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: eighty five women accusing him. Now, Uh so, I'm mosied 81 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: over to the litigation support section of their website and 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: I read it. Now, I'm gonna read it to you. 83 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: Understanding your opponent is a key element when building a 84 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: strategy for a complex situation. Black Cube supports litigation processes 85 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: by identifying your opponents vulnerabilities, interests, priorities, and strategy using 86 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: our unique intelligence methodology. Black Cube enhances its clients decision 87 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: making by providing otherwise unobtainable information. We help our clients 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: identify their adversaries sensitive points or vulnerabilities or evidence of 89 00:04:54,680 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: their misconduct. Sounds like a show that Shonda Rhimes would make. Sorry, 90 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: I was that too much of a deep cut? That was? 91 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: That was a deeper cut than I was comfortable. Murd 92 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: political operatives who are trying to find ways to use 93 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: something against you, Well, that's exactly what they're doing. That's 94 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: exactly how they frame it. Is like, we're helping our 95 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: clients the adversaries and like yet when the reality is 96 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: that they were helping a multiple rapist attack women. Yeah, 97 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: well it's not Sully the good name of fixers. I've 98 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: known a lot of great fixers in my time, but 99 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fixers do tend to get their hands dirty. Yeah, 100 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: and these people get their hands very dirty. In mayen, 101 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: Rose McGowan got an email from Diana Philip, a high 102 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: ranking executive at Reuben Capital Partners. Philip explained that she 103 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: was funding a program to fight workplace discrimination and wanted 104 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: to know if Rose would speak at the program's kickoff event. 105 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: She offered to pay sixty dollars, which I talked to 106 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: anybody for sixty grand um. The two women met three 107 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: times over the next two months to talk about women's 108 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: empowerment and other issues. Rose found her very kind, and 109 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: eventually Diana Philip offered to invest in Rose McGowan's production company. 110 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: During one of their talks, McGowan mentioned that she was 111 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: talking to run In Pharaoh about Weinstein. A week later, 112 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: Philip emailed Pharaoh and asked him to meet with her. 113 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: Pharaoh ever responded, because he's a smart guy. Yeah, he's 114 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: smells smells weird. When The New Yorker published his first 115 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: big Weinstein story three months later, Diana Philip email Rose mcgallan, high, love, 116 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: how are you feeling? Just wanted to tell you how 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: brave I think you are. As you might have guessed 118 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: Diana Philip isn't a real person. It's an alias made 119 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: up by a former Israeli intelligence officer working for Black Cube. 120 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: Philip and her entire company and its online footprint were 121 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: all inventions of Black Cube. Uh In. A story just 122 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: came out like the day we recorded this podcast. I 123 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: think NBC put it out where Black Cube was also 124 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: fishing around the wives of several Obama administration employees to 125 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: try and find compromising information it could use to make 126 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: the Iran deal look bad. And the capital company that 127 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: they pretended to be from was the same capital company. 128 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: They just have this one fake company that they always 129 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: pretend to work with, even for the stories have been 130 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: out for a while. And the thing is they email 131 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: pretending to be someone else trying to help you to 132 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: get into your life. Yeah, usually pretend to be someone 133 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: with money so that they can be like, oh, I'm 134 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: looking at investing, or I can help you set up 135 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: this or that. Literally never responding to an email again. Yeah, 136 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: never never let anyone give you money. They are I 137 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: won't even take pay for work. Um. So, one of 138 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: the men who helped Weinstein coordinate his espionage efforts and 139 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: really handled like the direct interface and with Black Cube 140 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: was an attorney named David boys Um. He has an 141 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: otherwise laudable career. He defended al Gore in the two 142 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: thousand election dispute, and he argued for marriage equality with 143 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. So like seems like a great guy. 144 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, seems like he's on the right back. 145 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: That's actually terrifying. Yeah. That that you can be on 146 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: the right side of history arguing in favor of gay 147 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: marriage to the Supreme Court and then on the other side, 148 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: help manage Harvey Weinstein, inspire me jesus, trust no one man, Well, 149 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: just don't trust lawyers, for fucking sure. Um. So, in 150 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: two seventeen, while he was working for Weinstein, David Boye 151 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: signed a contract with Black Cube that defined their primary 152 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: objectives as to quote, provide intelligence which will help the 153 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: client's efforts to completely stop the publication of a new 154 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: negative article in a leading New York newspaper. Now at 155 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: this point I should note that this leading New York 156 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: newspaper was The New York Times. Um. Yeah, so that 157 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,119 Speaker 1: first article was Megan Tawhey and Joey Canter Um. Apologies 158 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: if I'm mispronouncing that, but this is the article that 159 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: Boys in Black Cube were trying to stop. Now there 160 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: it seems like there might be a conflict of interest 161 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: there because David Boys and his firm, we're working for 162 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: the New York Times as well defending them in a 163 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: libel case at the same time. So obviously when Ronan 164 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: Row got into his reporting, he interviewed Boys and he 165 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: was like, this seems like a giant fucking conflict. Boys 166 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: actually would speak to him, Yeah, Boys did speak to 167 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: him as representative for Weinstein. No, No, just talking to 168 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: him like as him because because Pharaoh had specific questions 169 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: about Boys's work with Weinstein. Um, and I think he 170 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: just decided like it was better to talk than to 171 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: than to not for whatever reason. Um. But when he 172 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: was he was a question if this was a conflict 173 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: of interest, um, because he was working for the New 174 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: York Times. He basically said that it wasn't a conflict 175 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: of interest because of Black Cube had found information that 176 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: showed the that Weinstein's accusers were lying, then that would 177 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: be in the Times's best interest convenient Yeah, exactly. He's 178 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: he's a gigantic weasel. Um. Which is kind of a 179 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: bummer from a guy who otherwise sounded like a crusading 180 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: hero lawyer. And he's not the only progressive gold star 181 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: to get tarnished by the living poop cloud that is 182 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Hardy Weinstein. You've heard of Lisa Bloom, Yeah, oh yeah, 183 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah. She's an American civil Right It's attorney. 184 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: She represented the women whose sexual assault allegations got Bill 185 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: O'Reilly fired two sixteen. She represented several women who claimed 186 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had sexually assaulted them. Uh. You remember the 187 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: anonymous woman who said that then candidate Trump had raped 188 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: her when she was thirteen. She was supposed to reveal 189 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: herself at a press conference, but backed away at the 190 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: last moment under threats. Lisa Bloom was her attorney as well. 191 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: She was also Black China's attorney. She was Black Giants attorney. Yes, 192 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: um so Lisa Bloom another person with a great reputation, 193 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to defending women who have been 194 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: abused by powerful men. Uh. And in fall of two 195 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, Lisa Bloom took a job with Harvey Weinstein. Uh, 196 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: it sounded like the board was worried about the mountain 197 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: of complaints and accusations. The story hadn't entirely broken yet. 198 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: But you know, Rose McGowan, I think was still was 199 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: open at this point, and it was they were basically 200 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: trying to have her counsel him into being a better 201 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: person so that it would improve his personal pr and 202 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: maybe help them get out ahead of any future stories 203 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: that came out. I hate that kind of stuff. Yeah, 204 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: it's gross. So she's at down with Weinstein to decide 205 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: she wanted to take this job, and she says that 206 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: he admitted that he had quote verbally made a lot 207 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: of inappropriate remarks to women, both inside the workplace and 208 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: outside the workplace end quote. But she's claiming she did 209 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: not know anything about the abuse. Yes, that's why she 210 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: took the gig. She's claiming she thought that he was 211 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: admitting to being a gross guy who's actually her asked 212 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: women but not assaulted and raped them. Um, and so 213 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: she thought it was an opportunity to to teach him 214 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: and make him a better person. She lectured to him 215 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: that the hitting on these women wasn't okay because of 216 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: the power and balance. Uh. And I'm going to I'm 217 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: gonna quote from the n l A Times article here, 218 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: which is quoting Lisa Bloom. He would repeat back to 219 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: me the power imbalance, Lisa, I get it, I see it. 220 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: He choked up. I don't know what's wrong with me. 221 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm sick, I'm stupid. I've hurt people. What can I 222 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: do now? And I said, you need to apologize. You 223 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: can't turn back time, but you can do the right 224 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: thing now. Don't go after the women and get help 225 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: and stop it. He said, will you work with me 226 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: to do that? And I said yes, I will. So God, 227 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: that sounds so pr like it's super gross, wrote that 228 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: Lisa Bloom. Uh. Yeah, So when the New York Times 229 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: article dropped, Lisa Bloom showed up on Good Morning America 230 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: to call Weinstein's behavior gross, but also to say that 231 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: he was genuinely remorseful. Um. She said he was an 232 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: old dinosaur struggling to adapt to new ways, basically, and 233 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: that was the initial Weinstein line, as I did bad things, 234 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: but like, it's not like he's that old, you know, No, 235 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: he's not. He's not. Also pretty sure Steven Spielberg's is older. 236 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: He's got a lot of power. I don't think he 237 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: raped dozens of people. Yeah, I mean, he may have 238 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: been creepy, but he certainly didn't do this. That's I 239 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: hate that whole He's too old. He doesn't understand. It's like, sure, 240 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: you could say that for Twitter, but you can't see 241 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: that for harassing and sexually assaulting women. I'm sorry, but 242 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: even back in the day it wasn't okay to sexually 243 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: assault a woman. You could say that if he was 244 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: calling women doll in the office and needed a talking to. 245 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: You can't say that when he grabs Rosemagowan and forces. Yeah. 246 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: So shoving someone's head on your dick is not the 247 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: old You can't use the old man excuse anymore. Yeah, 248 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: it's it's not Yeah, it just doesn't fly anymore. Um 249 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, So Lisa Bloom's role in the Weinstein machine 250 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: um was basically assuring the world that Harvey was very 251 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: sorry about being a bad boy and totally committed to 252 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: doing better. Uh. Some people attacked her for this seeming 253 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: betrayal of all the victims she's represented, and an interview 254 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: with The l A Times, Lisa explained that those women 255 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: were why she decided to work with Harvey. Quote, every day, 256 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: there's a woman in my office crying, Why won't he 257 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: just admit it? Why does this have to be an 258 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: open wound for my entire life. I don't want to 259 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: litigate Lisa. Almost every single one comes to me and says, 260 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: if he would just apologize, then we could move on, 261 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: in quote which I feel like it's kind of bullshit. 262 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: If he again, if he had been really rude to 263 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: a lot of women, that would make sense. But he 264 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: committed crimes. The ants her to a man who rapes 265 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: dozens of women probably is not make him apologize, it's 266 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: make him go to jail pay for his crimes. Yeah, 267 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: and again she says she didn't know about the rape 268 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: or the assault. Um, maybe that's true. Uh, maybe they 269 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: offered her a lot of money. Maybe I'm certain they 270 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: offered her a lot of money. Based on my understanding 271 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: of her, she seemed like she was she she knew 272 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: what she was doing. And then this happens, and it's like, 273 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: I don't understand It's it's either a lot of money. 274 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Some of it may have been. You know, Harvey was 275 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: a big progressive donor, you know, big donor to thee 276 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: we get into the Clintons a little bit, big donor 277 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: to a lot of good causes. Uh, and maybe she 278 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: thought he deserved a second chance or something. It felt 279 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: like she would know better that this kind of person 280 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: is not someone you can just make apologize and all 281 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: these women who have been harmed by him can just 282 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: snap back like, well he said sorry, So now all 283 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: my PTSD from being sexually assaulted. We'll just walk right 284 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: out the door, and I'm fine, let's go get some coffee. 285 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: Like it's so much more than that. They're so much 286 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: more many. I'm about to lose my mind. Well, and 287 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: that quote from the l A Times from her makes 288 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: me think that she's full of ship because the way 289 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: she outlines that conversation with him sounds like a scene 290 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: in a movie with the music swells and I just 291 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: want to try to Yeah, and then it's like Pygmalion, 292 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: but with sexism. Um, Harvey, you gotta try give me 293 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: a break. Yeah. Um So. Lisa bloom Uh insists that 294 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein dictated the entire apology that he sent out 295 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: after the New York Times article was released. It's my 296 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: personal conspiracy theory based on the things I've read about her, 297 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: that bloom either outline wrote his apology or heavily influenced 298 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: it with direct advice on what to say. I'm going 299 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: to read the apology and let me not believe you. Yeah, okay, okay, 300 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: Well then I'll go into a couple of lines from 301 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: the apology that makes me. First, it starts with them saying, 302 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: I came of age in the sixties and seventies when 303 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: all the rules of behavior in workplaces where different. That 304 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: was the culture. Then obviously one of her first things 305 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: was saying, he's a dinosaur is from a different era. Uh. 306 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: He apologizes uh in the apology to all anyone he 307 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: may have hurt, which is at the time it came out, 308 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: at the start of this me too thing, that was 309 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: not the standard for a man who had been accused 310 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: of this. It was like denied, denied, andy um, which 311 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: again makes me think that that this is because she 312 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: was big on no, you've got to apologize, you don't deny, 313 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: you hit it on, which is again good advice if 314 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: you're not a rapist, if you're just a guy who 315 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: fucked up um. But then Harvey says, over the last year, 316 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: I've asked Lisa Bloom to tutor me, and she's put 317 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: together a team of people I brought on therapists, and 318 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: I plan to take a leave of absence from my 319 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: company to deal with this issue head on, and then 320 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: he misquotes jay Z lyrics YadA YadA, YadA, and he 321 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: ends by saying that he's going to give the n 322 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: r A his full attention. So he goes through his 323 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: whole apology where he's saying, like, I've been trying to 324 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: do this for ten years. This is a wake up call. 325 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: I can't be more remorseful about the people I've hurt, 326 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: and I plan to do right by all of them. 327 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: And then he says, I'm going to need a place 328 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: to channel that anger. So I've decided that I'm going 329 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: to give the n r A my full attention. I 330 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: hope Wayne Lappy will enjoy his retirement party. I'm going 331 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: to do it at the same place I had my 332 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: bar Mitzvah. I'm making a movie about our president. Perhaps 333 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: we can make it a joint retirement party. One year ago, 334 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: I began organizing a five million dollar foundation to give 335 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: scholarships to women directors at USC. Well, this might seem coincidental. 336 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: It has been in the works for a year. It 337 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: will be named after my mom, and I won't disappoint her. Yeah. No, 338 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: it's it's like the sleaziest fucking thing in the world west, Um, 339 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: and I feel like her hands are all over that. Um. 340 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: You know, I feel like rarely are people like that 341 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: are allowed to actually put their own thoughts because they 342 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: can be such wild cards. Yeah, and and why would 343 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: you want to if you've just hired this woman whose 344 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: whole job is number one, she's got street cred as 345 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: someone who's represented a lot of women in these cases. Like, 346 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: I feel like it was either the money or the 347 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: prestige of getting to reform someone like Weinstein, that that 348 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: that got her in. But she definitely compromised. Her mother's 349 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: a famous uh rights her most glory already. Yes, it 350 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 1: wasn't her mom kind of like, yeah, her mom was 351 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: so thing along the lines of, if I have to 352 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: go into court against Weinstein and fight my daughter in court, 353 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: I'll be willing to do it something like that. Before 354 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: you spoke up, I said the word compromised about Lisa Bloom, 355 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: and I was going to use that as a lead 356 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: into our ads by saying you won't have to compromise 357 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: with these products and or services which were now advertising. 358 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: So that's what I did. We're back and we're talking 359 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: about Lisa Bloom and Harvey Weinstein. Uh, Like, I don't 360 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: wanna say that if if the women Lisa Boom was 361 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: talking to, we're saying all they wanted was an apology 362 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: in their specific cases. I'm not saying that they're wrong 363 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: or anything. But at the point at which she was 364 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: saying this, there were people who were out and vocal 365 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: about the stuff that Harvey had done, um, including Rose mcgawan, 366 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, and those people were not happy with 367 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: just an apology. So I don't know, it seems a 368 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: little messed up to me. Maybe she just really thought 369 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: he was just a sexual harasser. I don't know. Uh, 370 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: it's probably worth noting that, Uh. I mean, there's a 371 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: couple of things that are worth noting here when we 372 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: talk about her culpability. First of all, is that she 373 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: left Weinstein's employ like immediately after everything broke, like like 374 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: a couple of days after. I think she was on 375 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: Good Morning America. I think forty eight hours after the 376 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: article dropped. She was out. Um, she distanced herself from 377 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: Weinstein once the rape allegations, you know, way in over 378 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: her head. Yeah, Like wait a second, Yeah, she said, 379 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: I was never aware there were allegations of sexual assault. 380 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: Should I have, based on my log experience as a 381 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: sexual harassment lawyer, assumed that it could have been a 382 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: lot worse than what I knew. Yes, I should have 383 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: assumed that that's on me. Um, So she acknowledged a 384 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: funk up. Mose McGowan did claim that before she was fired, 385 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: Lisa Bloom offered her money if she quote got on 386 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: the Harvey's changed bandwagon. Lisa has denied this. Another Lisa 387 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: Bloom client was Roy Rice, Amazon studio chief, and also 388 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: the recipient of his own sexual harassment allegations. Kim Masters, 389 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: the journalist who broke the price story, claims Lisa quote 390 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: spread rumors about her in order to kill a story. 391 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: Lisa has also denied this. For her part, Lisa Bloom 392 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: has admitted that representing Harvey was a huge mistake. She 393 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: hasn't said whether or not the fact that the Weinstein 394 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: Company was looking at turning her book about Trayvon Martin 395 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: into a TV show had anything to do with her 396 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: support for Harvey. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. That's 397 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: what's power and money is so it will make people 398 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: just lose their ability to just see right from wrong, 399 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: and and that that's really like the core of this 400 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: story because he was one of the very few people 401 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: in the world who could make anything a movie or 402 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: a TV show. If because if he really, if he 403 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: did snap his fingers and say, your books a TV 404 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: it's a TV show. He's got that kind of cache 405 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: he made. Fucking yeah. So I hope their Thanksgiving with 406 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: her mother was so awkward and just filled with silent 407 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: looks of disapproval towards her. And I hope that her 408 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: book about Trayvon Martin, well, I don't know, like it's 409 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: like I want to say, I hope it didn't do well, 410 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: but it's an important story. That's crazy. Is she another 411 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: one of those people who publicly champions women and women's 412 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: rights and all this stuff and then is privately like 413 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: just here for showing her reputation as a certain I 414 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: were dying? Is she making the calculation? The world's an 415 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: ugly place. You know, you gotta win when you can, 416 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: and everything is not going to be a victory. Uh. 417 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: This guy is a creep, But the Trayvon Martin story 418 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: is important, and if I work with him, I can 419 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: get my book made into a TV show and we'll 420 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 1: do more net good than the harm that I'll do 421 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: by helping this creep look like he's reformed. I don't know, 422 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I struggle with that so much because, yeah, 423 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: that story is important, but championing like this white male 424 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: who is has allegations against him that are just so 425 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: dark and fucked up. Again, this is me seeing it 426 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: through my own bias, But it's just too much like 427 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: I will never be able to understand people who could 428 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: do that. I mean, you know, give me five years, 429 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: maybe I make a certain amount of money and next 430 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: thing you know, I'm supporting Harvey Weinstein, who knows it's 431 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: a mess. The amounts five million dollars. Everyone who's worth 432 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: five million or more is a fan of his. Okay, 433 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: to me in a few years and see if I 434 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: have the money. Uh so, yeah, I'm comfortable throwing some 435 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: judgment Lisa Bloom's way. Um, and while we're talking about 436 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: famous people that we want to judge, it's time to 437 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: move on to my favorite candidate for a bastard of 438 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: this podcast, Ben Affleck. Now, in case you didn't know, 439 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: have you heard of Ben Affleck? This guy? Have I? Ah? 440 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: He is a man with a terrible back tattoo who 441 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: became rich and famous thanks to a movie called good 442 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: Will Hunting and now he is Batman. Good Will Hunting 443 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: was produced by Harvey Weinstein. I think Clerks as well. 444 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: He was in there, right yeah, Um, anyway, no, no, 445 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: he was just he's just a friend of Kevin Smith. Right, 446 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: but he wasn't in that. No, he was in They 447 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: did like Dogma or something together, Dogma, that's what it was. Yeah, 448 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: and he's definitely in Dogma, right, Yeah, he isn't, and 449 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: so is Damon anyway. Uh so, Ben Affleck. Five days 450 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: after the New York Times article dropped, Affleck released a 451 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: statement that he was angry over the allegations about Weinstein 452 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: and said quote, I find myself asking what I can 453 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: do to make sure this doesn't happen to others. He 454 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: took a lot of flak for being late to the 455 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: apology table because most of the people who had worked 456 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: closely with Weinstein had said something much faster. Um. I'm 457 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: not sure how to fairy think that that accusation is. 458 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: But Rose McGowan was very angry at him. She tweeted 459 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: this response after he sent out his statement at Ben Affleck, 460 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: God damn it. I told him to stop doing that. 461 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: You said that to my face the press conference I 462 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: was made to go to after the assault. You lie. 463 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: So for a little bit of backstory, her claim is 464 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: that Weinstein raped her in a I think it was 465 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: a jacuzzi. Uh, And immediately afterwards she had to go 466 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: do like a press junket thing, and Ben Affleck saw 467 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: her like shaking and traumatized like you'd be after a rape. 468 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: And I I was like, what's going on? And she told 469 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: him what had happened, and then he said, God damn it. 470 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: I told him to stop doing that, which is what 471 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: eating too much makes something so basic. That's a weird reaction, 472 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: but gosh, darn, I think it's been. Affleck was like, oh, traumatized. 473 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: I know I have to be angry, so all feint anger. 474 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm Ben Affleck, human robots. Why don't you call the 475 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: police instead of just telling him call the someone just 476 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: reported a rape to you, Harvey, Please Harvey, not again. Um. So, 477 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: Weinstein's defense team jumped on this as an excuse to 478 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: discredit Rose McGowan. Uh. They published an email from Affleck 479 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: to Weinstein in early two and sixteen, before the accusations broke, 480 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: say I have no idea of anything wrong you do. Yeah, 481 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: that's exactly what it says. It's titled Rose McGowan, and 482 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: Ben Affleck says she never told me, nor did I 483 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: ever infer that she was attacked by anyone. Any accounts 484 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: to the contrary are false. I have no knowledge about 485 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: anything Rose did or claimed to have done. Accounts otherwiser lies. 486 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: This is what he said to Weinstein in a private 487 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: email that then Weinstein had released in order to try 488 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: to how I send private emails to just in case 489 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: someone needs to release it in the future. Uh So, 490 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: Affleck publicly says he supports and believes Rose McGowan. He's 491 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: against Weinstein on this. I don't think he's addressed that 492 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: email directly, but what this says to me is that 493 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: Affleck is like, it's just a gutless people pleaser um. 494 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: He sees her traumatized, and so he does what he 495 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: thinks she'll appreciate. In the moment, Harvey asks him if 496 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: she said anything, and he denies it. Now that the 497 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: issues public, he's gonna take Rose aside because he knows 498 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: which way is the wind's blowing. But he's basically a 499 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: coward um. Like that's that's Ben Affleck in a nutshell. 500 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: I'm feeling. Um yeah, and I think it's starting to 501 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: weare on him because now he just looks crazy in 502 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: any photo, like he's been rinking and he always looks 503 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: like he just stopped crying. And the back tat you've 504 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: seen the backdown. It's falcon. It is an abomination. It's 505 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: it's garbage, is what it is. It looks like it 506 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: looks like the eagle on the Mexican flag had a 507 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: baby with like a bad watercolor painting of Snoopy and 508 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: or a phoenix. It's it's just bad, it's stupid. I'm 509 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: bad at describing tattoos as well, which is my other podcast, 510 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: Robert Evans describes tattoos poorly. Um, but we'll have a 511 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: picture of his terrible back tattoo. Um oh yeah. And 512 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: since the whole meto Dan Broke, Ben Affleck has been 513 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: accused of groping and harassment by several women. There's a 514 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: box article we'll throw up on the side that gives 515 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: a good breakdown number of bits on video you can 516 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: actually like see the Hillary. It's amazing. What a fucking 517 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: creepy is Um. He's apologized for that, and he seems 518 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: to be hoping his side of things blows over. Uh yeah, yeah, Um, 519 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. This is the point, Like, again, we're 520 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: already very late into this. We've talked about a lot 521 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: of people. I've done a lot of research. I don't 522 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: really know where to stop when it comes to bring 523 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: it people who might have been complicit. They're like the 524 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: clear cases, the honey pots, the lawyers, the spies, the 525 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: journalists that he had working with him. I have one 526 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: question for you. Yeah, do you think because Meryl Streep 527 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: came out and said I had no idea, do you 528 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: think she had any sense of it? She's the one 529 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: I never could figure out. I could see it being 530 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: possible because she was has been such a huge star 531 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: the entire time Mabbie Weinstein has been worth talking about. 532 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: Um that maybe she was protected. Maybe Number one, he 533 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: was like because he usually went with people to start 534 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: of their career or kind of early on, that he 535 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: that he had some because nobody's got leverage over Meryl Streep. 536 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: So I could definitely see he never was creepy to her, 537 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: because that would have been suicide. That's the thing. I 538 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: feel like she was out of powerful enough bubble that 539 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: they were almost protecting her from such knowledge. And I 540 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: think that's possible because it also I doubt anyone would 541 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: have needed to warn her about him because she's sucking 542 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: Meryl Streep. She's not going to wind up in that situation. Um, 543 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: she's just too famous and rich. That said, UM, it 544 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: does seem like almost everybody who was famous and in 545 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: movies pretty much knew what Harvey Weinstein was, and I'd 546 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: be kind of surprised if she'd never heard anything. Was 547 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: she ever involved in any of the movies he produced? 548 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean, Mirror Max made a shipload of stuff, So 549 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point they had crossed the paths 550 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: because yeah, she's in a lot of stuff. Yeah, I 551 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: don't know, like that's Mama Mia, But that just feels 552 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: like like a mirror Max Weinstein situation. I didn't find 553 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: any clear evidence of her being, you know, a complicit 554 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: in any of this. I didn't find any clear evidence 555 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: of his wife being complicit Georgina, and she said that 556 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: she didn't even know he was cheating on her. And 557 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: it's not impossible like they spent a lot of time 558 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: up art. Harvey was always in hotels, and it's always 559 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: in hotels and stuff. And in private apartments that he 560 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: had his assistants keep for him, Like he had private 561 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: bang apartments and stuff. Um, yeah, as assistants would keep 562 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: them stocked with lingerie and one notot. So it's possible 563 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: she didn't. Yeah. I mean, he also seems like he 564 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: could be like an annoying husband, So I'm sure she 565 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: was fine with him, Like, yeah, I wouldn't want to 566 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: be around, Um it was. I don't. Again, It's it's 567 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: kind of tough where to draw the line at, like 568 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: people to stop searching for complicity, And I think Hillary 569 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: Clinton might wind up on the list. If we have 570 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: a wide enough definition of an annoying I would agree 571 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah. Yeah. Weinstein donated her and her husband 572 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: huge amounts of money over the years. He invited Hillary 573 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: to movie premiers. He helped advisor Senate campaign in two thousands. 574 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: Back in during the election, Lena Dunham warned the Clinton 575 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: campaign that Harvey was quote a rapist. UH magazine editor 576 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: Tina Brown also warned members of the campaign about Weinstein. 577 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: No actions were taken by anyone in the Clinton camp 578 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: to distance themselves from Weinstein. Several days after losing the 579 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: elect and the Clinton's had dinner with Harvey. They were 580 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: planning a new TV documentary about her campaign. The talks 581 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: only stopped after the New York Times article dropped. See 582 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: that's the thing is Hillary feels like a woman of convenience. 583 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: And if it does not directly affect her and the 584 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: cloud isn't over his head yet, what does that mean 585 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: to her? Yeah, she's not affected by any of these people. 586 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: He's not going to hurt her. Yeah, yeah, I would 587 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: say that's probably fair. But the Weinstein story is so 588 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: gross that even a lot of the guys who like 589 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: when you read through the New York articles and stuff, 590 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: there's a couple of people from within the Weinstein company 591 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: who seemed like good guys um at least on on 592 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: first blush. Ivan Writer is one of them. He was 593 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: a senior executive with the Weinstein Company. He should have 594 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: been running Farrell, running Pharaoh's articles a lot um he was. 595 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: He worked with Harvey for decades and when he learned 596 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: that Lisa Evans from our last podcast had been harassed 597 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: by Weinstein, he reached out to her and he basically 598 00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: told her that I fought with him about the mistreatment 599 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: of woman for three weeks before the incident with you. 600 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: I even wrote him an email that got me labeled 601 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: by him a sex police. The fight I had with 602 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: him about you was epic. I told him if you 603 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: were my daughter, he would not have made out so well. Um, 604 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: and this is not someone who alleges Harvey raped her, 605 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: by the way. This is so. Writer definitely opposed Weinstein 606 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: from within the company. He refused to speak favorably of 607 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: him to reporters, even when Harvey threatened to dig up 608 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: dirt on him. He seems like one of the few 609 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: good guys in this situation, but it's also worth noting 610 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: that he only really started fighting back in two thousand fourteen, 611 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: and his objections to Harvey were on financial grounds. Basically, 612 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: he found out that Weinstein had been using his company 613 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: credit card to pay to tip yacht staff, private jet 614 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: flights to Europe to like fly models around and stuff 615 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: for basically things to do with his affairs. He was 616 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: using the company as a separate exactly, And that's when 617 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: Ivan Writer really really start to care when money was involved. Yeah, 618 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: here's how the New York Times put it. Concerned that 619 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: his boss's activities were quote going to take the company down. 620 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: Mr Writer and other executives decided they should act. Wow, 621 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: So it was mostly self interest, mostly self interest. So again, 622 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: everyone in this story only does anything good or evil 623 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: in fairness when their career is And I also don't 624 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: like that line if you were my daughter, It's like, yeah, 625 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: who cares who she's Yeah, like this is a human being, yeah, 626 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: which is again like I don't want to like yell 627 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: at him for being the one person who actually spoke 628 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: to one of his victims and was like, this is 629 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: fucked up because no one else did, so he gets 630 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: some credit, but like, good is a low bar in 631 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: the Harvey Weinstein story. It's like you still didn't call 632 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: the police, Like you didn't say anything to anyone else? Really, yeah, 633 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: it is. It is a very low bar. Another possible 634 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: hero in this is a woman named Donna Gigliotti. Helped 635 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: one of Harvey's victims seek legal counsel and advised her 636 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: and how to get a good settlement out of him, 637 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: because he settled with like a dozen women over the years, 638 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: which again people knew about this stuff. There were accusations 639 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: he just was able to pay it off for a 640 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: long time. Um, And Donna Gigliotti is one of the 641 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: women who knew about this because she helped one of 642 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: these victims. But in two thousand ten, when Harvey offered 643 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: her a job as president of production at the Weinstein Company, 644 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: she took it. Yeah's got a price. It's so crazy. 645 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: Everybody's got a price, and everyone is willing to do 646 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: pretty much whatever it takes to keep their career rolling along, 647 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: which I guess you could call Hollywood in a nutshell, 648 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: even though I don't want to believe that because I 649 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: fucking work here too. Scared me, Like, who am I 650 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: going to become? Yeah? Yeah, well you just wait till 651 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: you hit that five million dollar mark again. It's hard 652 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: not to read all of this and to come to 653 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: the conclusion that there was just way too much money 654 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: at stake for the people involved to not be gross. Um. 655 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: Staying blind to Harvey's crimes or just enabling him meant 656 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars. It seems almost nobody is 657 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: capable of turning that down. Uh. In October of two seventeen, 658 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: Scott Rosenberg, screenwriter of Beautiful Girls, posted his thoughts about 659 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein on Facebook. Scott wrote from Miramax in the 660 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: early nineties. He credit Weinstein with helping himsell his first 661 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: two movies. He was there for many of the biggest 662 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: years of Weinstein's career when he in Tarantino and Affleck, 663 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: we're all watching their careers explode into the stratosphere. So 664 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to read a selection from the post that 665 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: he wrote. It was glorious, all of it. So what 666 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: if he was coming on a little strong to some 667 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: young models who had moved mountains to get into one 668 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: of his parties. So what if he was exposing himself 669 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: and five star hotel rooms like a cartoon flasher out 670 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: of Mad magazine. Just swap robe for raincoat? Who are 671 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: we to call foul? Golden geese don't come along too 672 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: often in one's life, which goes back to my original point. 673 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: Everybody fucking new, but everybody was just having too good 674 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: a time and doing remarkable work, making remarkable movies. As 675 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: the old joke goes, we needed the eggs. Okay, maybe 676 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: we didn't need them, but we really, really, really really 677 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: liked them eggs. So we were willing to overlook what 678 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: the golden goose was up to in the murky shadows 679 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: behind the barn. And for that I am eternally sorry 680 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: all the women who that had to suffer this. I 681 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: am eternally sorry. I've worked with Mira and Rosanna and Lysette, 682 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: I've known Os and Ashley and Claire for years. Their 683 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: courage only hangs a lantern on my shame, and I 684 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: am eternally sorry to all those who suffered in silence 685 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: all this time and have chosen to remain silent today. 686 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: So Scott's opinion seems to be that he's a bastard 687 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: and so has been afflecked. So is Clinton Tarantino and 688 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: probably the Clinton's too. I'm gonna guess Scott would classify 689 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: everybody we've talked about today, the honeypots, the assistants, the lawyers, 690 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: the journalists, the spies, is the same kind of complicit 691 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: because when it comes right down to it, the ex 692 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: massad agents are guilty of the same basic crime has 693 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: been afflecked. They could live with the knowledge that an 694 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: old creep was molesting young women as long as the 695 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: money was good enough. Boy. Yeah, that's a happy ending 696 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: for our podcast today. Well how you feeling, Ana, I 697 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: feel lost. I feel confused. I did always say that 698 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: if if I would ever hire a bodyguard, it would 699 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: be a massad agent because I knew they would do 700 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: whatever they could to protect me. Well yeah, I mean, 701 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: if you're gonna hire someone to dig up dirt, it 702 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: seems like black cubes good at it, although they didn't 703 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: stop that article from dropping. Well, that's the thing is 704 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: like the power of the people is so important, and 705 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: I think that's that was so key in bringing down Weinstein. 706 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: Like all of this like everyone knew and I for 707 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: a second when you were reading that, I like almost understood, 708 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: and there was like a moment of my like psyche orles, 709 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: like whoa, what am I doing? Like when you're at 710 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: that level and you're having fun, you're like, yeah, Harvey 711 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: is fucking crazy, you know, and then you're just doing 712 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: your thing because you're in this world. But it's impossible 713 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: to take yourself out of that bubble and be like, 714 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: wait a second, that's harassment. Actually you can't see past 715 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: it because you're like everyone's having a damn good times 716 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: and you're all making so much money. Yeah yeah, and 717 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: that is so fucking heavy. I can't. Yeah. Well, and 718 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: it's I promised not to turn any more of these 719 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: into like you know, anti capitalist RNSW or whatever, but 720 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: it is impossible to deny that. Yeah, it's not just 721 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: that he had the ability to make people's careers. He 722 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: had the ability to with anybody he helped out end 723 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: there financial woes forever. Like, it's whatever you're worried about, 724 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: whatever you're scared about, whatever your anxiety is. You get 725 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: a kid at home who's sick, you have to pay 726 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 1: for your kid to go to college. You know, you've 727 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: got you know, a mortgage payment, do or whatever. Harvey 728 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: can make that go away forever, and all you have 729 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: to do is be okay with him being a creeper. Yeah. 730 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: And I think most of us sitting down and reading 731 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: Ronan Pharaoh's articles, most of us condemning Harvey Weinstein, most 732 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: of us condemning all these people. I think most people, 733 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: if they were in the situation a lot of these 734 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: folks were if they didn't know exactly what had gone on. 735 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: They weren't sure that it was rape. They just knew 736 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: that it was fucked up and there was a lot 737 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: of money on the line. I think most people help 738 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: keep the secret. Yeah, that's my dark theory. Yeah, I 739 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: think if I were to look back, maybe I would too. 740 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. I certainly probably if there was enough 741 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: pressure on me, I would crumble. I mean, I feel 742 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: like I'm an anxious enough person that literally what I 743 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: would do probably would keep the secret but then move 744 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: away and just try and put it behind me. Even 745 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: if if I was an assistant and I was put 746 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: in that position and I was asked to do that, 747 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't do it. But I also probably wouldn't 748 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: have said anything. That's that's what breaks my own I 749 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: just and I feel like, you know, I feel like 750 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: I might be the screenwriter in this who was willing 751 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: to cash the check and ignore the creep, and who 752 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: when it all came out, posted a very eloquent article 753 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: apologizing but still made that money, still stack, that paper 754 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: still benefited. Yeah, it's easy to apologize now after all 755 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: these years. Yeah, which is again it's a very eloquent 756 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: apology and better than any of the other apologies. So 757 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: he gets some at it for that um and credit 758 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: for acknowledging that everybody was garbage in this situation. But 759 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: I do think that going back to my original question 760 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: at the top of this podcast, who are all of 761 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: the bastards in the Harvey Weinstein story? Well, it's like 762 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: he said, it's every fucking body. Yeah, oh Anna, you 763 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: wanna plug some stuff. You guys, just be good people. 764 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: It's like, don't hurt anybody. For the love of God, 765 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,760 Speaker 1: don't hurt anybody. Don't use your power against vulnerable people. 766 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: Just because someone works below you does not mean they 767 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: owe you anything. No one knows you anything, nothing belongs 768 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: to you. You sit there and keep your head down, 769 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: work hard, and don't let anyone take advantage of you. 770 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: And if you ever need to stand up against someone 771 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: who is powerful, Oh God be with you. I don't 772 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: even know. I don't even know if I believe in God, 773 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: but Jesus Christ, I hope, I hope you make it 774 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: out because this industry is so aggressive when it comes 775 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: to just the big dogs taken down the little dogs. 776 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't even and know. It's crazy to think that 777 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: I work in this industry and I don't know what 778 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: I would do. Well, Yeah, we're we're talking about a 779 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, and it's probably the crimesy committed 780 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: happened within ten miles of where we're sitting right now. Yeah. Yeah, 781 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: we're in Hollywood right or in Florida. Yeah, that's that's heartbreaking. 782 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: It's actually one of the places that he would go 783 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: to the Peninsula Hotel. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a 784 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: place I when a few jobs ago. I would go 785 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: there a lot for work. And I think when I 786 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: started reading that and I start I just like started 787 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: to make that connection, and I was like, oh no, 788 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: I really hope I was never in that hotel around 789 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: the same time, because that is horrifying to think about. 790 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: Oh God, and how I find to think about what 791 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: the wait staff at the Peninsula Hotel and the Tribeca 792 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: Grand must have had to clean up. Oh yeah, and 793 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: that whole like he's back all right, Well I can't really. 794 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure the gossip was there, but like 795 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 1: you can't do anything and that that's heartbreaking. Yeah yeah, 796 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 1: it is. Uh all right, well, um, this has been 797 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. Check back next week when we'll talk 798 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: about something that's more fun but still a terrible person. 799 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. You can find me on Twitter at 800 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: I Write Okay two letters, and you can find this 801 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: podcast on Twitter at Bastard's pot If you can find 802 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: us on the internet at behind the Bastards dot com, 803 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: will be putting up a selection of Harvey Weinstein looking 804 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: just like the creepiest egg that ever fell out of 805 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: a basket, and also pictures of him with Ben Affleck 806 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: and Ben Affleck's terrible back tattoo. Ben Affleck's catching a 807 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,479 Speaker 1: lot of flak this podcast, but I feel like that's fine. Yeah, 808 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: he made his bed and now he has to rub 809 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: his terrible tattoo on him. All right until next week. 810 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. Have a bastardless day.