1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily where we're out here in California. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Just chew it on some bark. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: in my garage. I'm talking to my friend John Shipley, 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: who covers the Jaguars Jaguars on SI. He's gonna talk 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: some Travis Hunter, but he also can talk about the 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: rest of the leagues. So we'll do a little bit 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: of news first, John, how is your Jacksonville off season 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: after Travis Hunter. 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: Gave you a little bit of a jolt this year? 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely did a one to eighty from the 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: expected Mason Graham pick. I think if they had picked 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: Mason Graham, I don't think. I think people would need 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: to be reminded. The Jaguars were more or less in 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: the NFL right now, But the Travis Hunter completely skyrocketed 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 3: the I suddenly feel like the uh that meme, like 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: I just became important at work and it's it's terrible thing. 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: That's exactly what the Travis Hunter pickfields go. No, it's great, 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: it is great. 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Would you be on Would you be on NFL DA 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: in late May? Maybe not the timing otherwise, because honestly, 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: I was just gonna read essentially your analysis of Travis 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: Hunter's time with the Jaguars. So far, They've already done 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: a couple of open OTAs. They had a rookie mini camp, 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: like I've listened to here podcast. People should check out 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: the Jaguars Insider podcast. I was just gotta sort of 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: like copy what you said, Verbain, and was like, no, 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: why don't I actually have John on because to me, 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter is the most fascinating like news story in 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: the entire NFL this season. But it is late May, 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: and that means all the teams are at OTA's. That's 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: the first time this offseason that's happened. So we got 32 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of news. Most of this is late 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: May news, So we'll kind of go through this quickly, John, 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: but I'll be curious to get your thoughts on some 35 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: of it. 36 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: Starting we go, we'll go with the Giants. 37 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: I kind of like looking at the quarterback battles right 38 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: off the top, and Russell Wilson is out there getting 39 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: most of the reps with the first team with the Giants. 40 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: Not a huge surprise. 41 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: A little bit of a surprise that Malik Neighbors is 42 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: bothered enough by a toe injury that's bothered him since 43 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: college that he's been sitting out of practice, So that's 44 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: somewhat concerning. I noticed Andrew Thomas. They're left tackle still 45 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: not healthy, not a surprise after he had the foot 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: surgery last offseason. But they are sprinkling in a little 47 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart with the first team right off the bat, 48 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: and a little Jamis Winston with the first team right 49 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: off the bat, and he threw. Jamis did an interception 50 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: on his very first throw as a member of the 51 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: New York Giants, which I love. Any thoughts, I don't 52 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: know if you know, you dove deep because you have 53 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence there into how you think Jackson Dart is 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: going to adapt to this situation, and maybe how you 55 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: think Russell Wilson looks there too. 56 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think just like naturally, you know, 57 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: as a guy who's going to need some time just 58 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: coming from that style of offense in sec where it's really, 59 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: you know, a bunch of goballs and RPOs and stuff. 60 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't like very much look like, you know, an 61 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: NFL offense, but obviously it has a ton of trades. 62 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: It was interesting to me them taking. 63 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 3: A quarterback in the first round, like I thought it 64 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: was either okay, take a quarterback in the first round, 65 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: ride it with the rookie, take your lumps, and maybe 66 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: be like, hey, if he shows some development, like show 67 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: to John Maher and the ownership like, hey, we've developed 68 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: this guy, give us another year to take another crack 69 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: at it. Or sign some veterans to you know, try 70 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: to save themselves and you know, throw out some life 71 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: per servers themselves. They did both, which I don't really 72 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: know necessarily what to do with that. I don't know 73 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: what the actual like plan is, but I they had 74 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: to do one or together, so I guess you know, 75 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: they'll figure it out as they go along, which kind 76 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: of seems like the theme of the Giants the Last Coup, right. 77 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: I think the plan is just hope for the best. 78 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: I saw our friend Mina Kimes check out her podcast 79 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: too this week. I was on it if you are 80 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: interested in that. We talked to afc X factors and 81 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: I saw her throw out there, like what's the over 82 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: under for Dart starting. I think she said like weeks 83 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: eight or ten or something like that. I was like, oh, under, 84 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: Like I might take under week three. It's possible he 85 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: starts week one. Having watched these rookie like reps. If 86 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: you're getting first team reps, even if it's just a 87 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: sprinkling of them right off the bat, you got a 88 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: chance for it. I know you had to live through 89 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: the Jaguars giving Gardner Minshew half the reps, like through 90 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: half of training camp of Trevor Lawrence. 91 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: It was crazy. 92 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: It was like into like the first week or two 93 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: of preseason where it was starting to get ridiculous, like 94 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 3: like Trevor was stwing to like Tevon Austin and practice 95 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 3: more than he was like throwing to the starting receivers. 96 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: Quarterback battles in the off season are a good thing, 97 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: good bit. 98 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they're good to follow, and I do think 99 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: they'll They'll give Russell Wilson as good a chance as 100 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: possible to get started with that team, but if it 101 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: doesn't go well, they'll get rid of them. Also, Dexter 102 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: Lawrence was out there practicing. I always like checking in 103 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: on the guys who were hurt at the end of 104 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: last season. Theo Johnson, who I thought was a really 105 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: promising rookie tight end for them and had the same 106 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: foot surgery that Andrew Thomas had. He was out there 107 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: fully practicing again, So it's just good. It's more like 108 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: you want to see boxes checked. That's how I think 109 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: about it. And while we're talking quick quarterbacks, the Browns 110 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: are giving all four of their quarterbacks reps with the 111 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: first team offense. Dylan Gabriel Sanders there, they're two mid 112 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: to late round picks, and then Kenny Pickett got the 113 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: first rep of practice at least that media was watching, 114 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: which is interesting. 115 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: And Joe Flacco is another one. 116 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: And I saw that ESPN Cleveland had actually put out 117 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: the graphic of like all four of their stat lines 118 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: in OTAs in late May. 119 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: It's not where you want to be as an organization. No. 120 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 3: Social media has made OTAs such a wild time because, 121 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: like everybody agrees while they're happening that none of this matters. 122 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: It's not close to real football. It's mostly just conditioning 123 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: and like classroom stuff. But at the same time, all 124 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: of it matters extremely much like Trevor Lawrence, like in 125 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: the first OTA is the jack said, I think through 126 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: like two picks, and it like there were people Milton 127 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: down there was an entire no like some former NFL 128 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: player like analyzing it, and I'm like, what are we 129 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: doing here with OTAs anymore. I'm I think the Browns 130 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: like almost similar to the Giants, like probably ride with 131 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: like Flacco, picket until things inevitably get pretty bad, and 132 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: then see what your Gabriel has. I Gabriel like I 133 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: watched him a little bit in college, just because he 134 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 3: was at UCF for like two years. He's now the 135 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 3: most notable UCF alumni in the NFL, as he's known 136 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 3: around my neighborhood after myself, you know. 137 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: Oh no, I was like, I'm trying to think as 138 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: UCF produced. 139 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 3: I once asked, I won't say a player, but I 140 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 3: once asked, like a UCF alum who like played for 141 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: the Jags, like, hey, how were we going to do 142 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: this weekend? He goes, We like, yeah, I get it. 143 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 3: But now I mean the Browns I kind of view 144 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 3: like the Giants, like once the veterans kind of all off. 145 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: I think you probably see her in there. 146 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 147 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: The most interesting thing, and I'm with you on the 148 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: ot is although some teams you know, treat them differently. Already, 149 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: the Patriots reporters there are like they're treating ota Is 150 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: way differently than Belichick did, where it was all about 151 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: like teaching and just whatever. It's like they're evaluating, they're 152 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: making him work a little harder. Some some coaches approach 153 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: it differently than others, but it's still without pads. The 154 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: only interesting thing to me about the Brown it is 155 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: just that they're doing this, that they're splitting it up 156 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: four ways. 157 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: It's a wild way to do things. 158 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to make some choices evenly, and it 159 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: really shows to me that developing these rookies is important 160 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: to them, because it doesn't make that much sense to 161 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: me that you would have a third and a fifth 162 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: round pick taking first round first. You know, team reps 163 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: right away speaking of a high pick Caleb Williams. I 164 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: just wanted to close the book on the Caleb Williams story. 165 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: We talked about the Seth Wickersham piece about his father 166 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: and him considering their options before ultimately deciding they'd be 167 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: cool with the Bears, and Caleb Williams hadn't spoken to 168 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: the media about it, and he did speak today and 169 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: I was impressed. He had a four minute monologue off 170 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: the top of his head before taking any questions. Where 171 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: look as a twenty two to twenty three year old 172 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: kid who has heard everything. It wasn't some prerecorded statement. 173 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: We'll listen to a little bit of it right now and. 174 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 4: Then after our camera visit here. It was a deliberate 175 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 4: answer and delivered and determined answer that I had is 176 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 4: that I wanted to come here, and just like Ben 177 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: spoke about, obviously, you know, the past years, as everybody knows, 178 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: it's a fact that quarterback play there hasn't been a 179 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: four thousand yard past or there's you know, there's all 180 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: these different things that come up, and so you know, 181 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: being able to have those thoughts is I think fair 182 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: to be able to have, you know, good and bad thoughts. 183 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 4: But like I said, I came here on a visit 184 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: and like I said, just like Ben said, you know, 185 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: it's it's a it's a it's a challenge to be 186 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 4: able to to come in here and try and turn around. 187 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 4: And that was the main goal of of of of 188 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: all of that. 189 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: He went on from there before there, and he's in 190 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: a tough spot as a young kid, but that he 191 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: was absolutely right that not enough was made about the 192 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: part of the story where I was like, yeah, once 193 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: I went to Chicago, I immediately said, yeah, let's do it. 194 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: And so there's nothing that the city at Chicago should 195 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: hold against them, and I think their fans will appreciate it. 196 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: Actually thought it was a good job. 197 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: It did not seemed like he had been overly prepped, 198 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: although obviously like he thought about it, I'm sure over 199 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: the last week and a half. I mean he even 200 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: shouted out Kevin O'Connell and was like, yeah, I went 201 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: there and it was a great visit, and like, look, 202 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: he just won Coach of the Year. 203 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: Like I was, you know, impressed by it. 204 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: But once once I was here, this is my city, 205 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: and I still think the story was a story. It 206 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: was not a non story like the Bears fans. 207 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: We're all saying. 208 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: But I thought he handled it well like you want 209 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback to handle it. 210 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: No one hundred percent of story anytime, like you just 211 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: you know, since like Eli, we haven't seen any pick 212 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: really kind of player like exert their influence really on 213 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 3: the draft system. So anytime a player is considering it, 214 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 3: I think it's notable. Like we didn't see you know, 215 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 3: I know there was people trying to generate it, but 216 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: we didn't see Joe Burrow do it with Cincinnati when 217 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: it would have made sense. I mean, they still haven't 218 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: even signed the number seventeenth pick, and he's a defensive end, 219 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: let alone the number one pick who was a quarterback. 220 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 3: The Jaguars were going through a really bad era when 221 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence was number one pick. 222 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: You didn't see it there. 223 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: He he had kind of a similar meat thing where 224 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: he did an interview with Sports Illustrated where he was 225 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: like his dad was like he could retire without winning 226 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 3: Super Bowl and he's perfectly content with his life, and 227 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: people obviously kind of latched onto that. So it's just 228 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: like a lesson, like when you're in that spot, like 229 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 3: anything you say, people are just going to take one 230 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 3: way or another regardless of how it's intended. And I 231 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: don't think he was even wrong, Like, look at how 232 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: is rookie season win. The Bears have devoted a ton 233 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 3: of resources now to make sure they can fix all 234 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: the issues he was kind of worried about before he 235 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: got drafted by them. 236 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: It's funny because in the pre draft process there was 237 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: all this talk about, you know, how is Caleb Williams 238 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: as a leader and how much does he love ball 239 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: essentially and how he you know, handles his teammates and 240 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: everything and I think if you were just grading that 241 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: since the day that he got drafted, just based on 242 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: what I've heard from people that are there, just by 243 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: how his teammates talk about him, and just how I've 244 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: observed and deal with the media, that's all been an 245 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: A to A plus. And I think the on the 246 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: field play was like a Grady on a curve for 247 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: number one. 248 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 2: Overall pick was like a B B minus. 249 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: But I think he'll be better this year because he's 250 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: going to have a lot more support and his old 251 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,239 Speaker 1: friend Shane Waldron is down with you guys in Jacksonville. 252 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: You reminded me before the show. I kind of forget 253 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: about that. 254 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: They swapped Shane Waldron and then Press Taylor went to Chicago. 255 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: So it's literally just Jags and Bears fans yelling at 256 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: each other on X every time one of their names 257 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 3: comes up. 258 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: It's both funny and pretty unsettling. 259 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacks fans, calm down if you're getting on Shane Waldron. 260 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: Shane Waldron had a totally solid NFL assistant coaching career 261 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: before Lanny in Chicago, which is where coaches go to die, 262 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: and he was like year four of a not so 263 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: good eber Fluce Era, and I thought, actually did some 264 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: good things with Gino smith Beck in Seattle, so he's 265 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: not the play caller anyways. In Jacksonville, the key guy, 266 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: we'll talk about it in a second, is Liam Cohen. 267 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: Right. 268 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: It was funny at the Combine. At Cohen's podium session, 269 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: somebody was like, so you hired Shane Waldron you you're 270 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 3: worried about the Chicago thing. 271 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: He just goes, no, Yeah, what's he gonna say? 272 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to lead the show with Stefan Diggs, and 273 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: I thought, am I showing my Patriots bias? Or do 274 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: I think that Stefan Diggs partying on a boat with 275 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: his girlfriend Carti b and a number of other friends 276 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: is actually the perfect May story. I'd like to think 277 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: I would have thought that, regardless. I did not notice 278 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: in all those videos that were going around on the internet, however, 279 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: that he appeared to hand a substance, pink substance over 280 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: to uh to three girls after insisting that he they 281 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: call him daddy. 282 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: And he did. And that is actually like. 283 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Something that a reporter would ask Mike Rabel about. While 284 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: Diggs is not at OTAs, Let's listen to Mike Rabel. 285 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 5: Well, let's something that we're aware of, and obviously we 286 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 5: want to make great decisions on and off the field, 287 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 5: and we're hoping that with our time here on the 288 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 5: field today and that when we don't have a script 289 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 5: and we're on the call up periods, that we're making 290 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 5: great decisions. And so the message will be the same 291 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 5: for all our players that we were trying to make 292 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 5: great decisions, and any conversations that I've had with Stefan 293 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 5: or remain between him and I and. 294 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 2: The club. 295 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: Great decisions, Like I wouldn't have said it was a 296 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: bad decision to be on that boat and having fun 297 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: that it seemed it seemed fun the decision where it's 298 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: getting recorded yea, and then you're passing a suspicious looking 299 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: powdery subthence is where maybe it's not as great a 300 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: decision if you had the rank like. 301 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 3: The thirty two NFL head coaches, and who'd be like 302 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: the most upset about something like this? 303 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: Les like near the top right like it's it's the 304 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: perfect storm. He absolutely is. 305 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: And you know, Digg's got a lot of guaranteed money 306 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: not pasted this year, so it's really like a one 307 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: year deal and Diggs hasn't been with the team lately 308 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: at OTAs he's recovering of course from that tour in 309 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: a cl and yeah video you can check it out. 310 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, my wife saw it on TikTok and send 311 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: it to me. And normally when it gets into her 312 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 3: realm and she's saying tiktoks about it, that's normally when 313 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: it's it's definitely escaped captivity. 314 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Well, the more the more concerning part, I think for me, 315 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: just as someone who wants the best for Stefon Diggs' 316 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, his high profile girlfriend is on that boat, 317 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: and that that conversation did not seem one like one 318 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: that or some of the actions going on. 319 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: I'll just I'll just leave it right there. 320 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: Let's move on finally to some more sound. When Terry 321 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: Bradshaw has a great quote about not wanting Aaron Rodgers 322 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: on his team, I'm just gonna play it on the show. 323 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: So let's listen. What do you think about possibly Aaron 324 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: Rodgers being the quarterback? That's a joke. He shouldn't. That is, 325 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: just to me, is a joke. What are you going 326 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: to bring him in for one year? You kidding? I mean, 327 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: that's not the white right no. 328 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: Man, that guy needs to stay in California, and thank 329 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: you you won't bark. 330 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 2: And to the gods out there, I love that. 331 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: Uh, I'm chewing on some bark out here. I love 332 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: chewing on bark. It's just a strange sort of mind 333 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: blowing combination of things. 334 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: But I agree with Terry Bradshaw on this one. Yeah. 335 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: No, it definitely seems like Terry Bradshaw thinks he has 336 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: like a California and tied eye hippie point of view 337 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: on on everything. 338 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: I mean, not wrong with you, and on some bark. 339 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: I live in Florida. It's practically a delicacy. But I agree. 340 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: I think it's so weird that the Steelers as no 341 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: organization or like doing this Aaron Rogers dance like it 342 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: made sense in like March, but like we're in the 343 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 3: middle of OTAs now. And I saw a quote today 344 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: like Mason Rudolph talking about DK Metcalf's athleticism and no 345 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 3: offense to Mason Rudolph, but that's a terrible omen for 346 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: the Steelers, And Mason Rudolph is who you have answering 347 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: questions about your new receiver, who you just you know, traded. 348 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: For right and DK, by the way, is not even 349 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: there this week. Mason Ruff said he's been there about 350 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: half the time, not that that's a big deal. He 351 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: just got married, Like these are voluntary sessions. But you're 352 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: absolutely right that it's just awkward and a little embarrassing 353 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: that ultimately the Steelers kind of prostrated themselves, you know, 354 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: waiting for Aaron Rodgers to do this where I think 355 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: they know that he's joining the team sooner than later. 356 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: A couple other nuggets and then we'll talk to some Jaguars. 357 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: Just want to mention in terms of OTA absences. I 358 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: don't track each one like day to day, but Rayshawn Slater, 359 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: the tackle for the Chargers, TJ. Watt of the Steelers, 360 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: and Terry McLaurin weren't at practice for their teams, and 361 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: those are all three guys that I think are looking 362 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: for new contracts. 363 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: So that's just something to keep an eye on. 364 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: And then Tommy Tremble, if you're familiar with them, the 365 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: tight end of the Panthers had back surgery. That was 366 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: news to me and I think to Panthers fans, and 367 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: they're hoping he's going to be ready for the start 368 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: of the season. We will be back in just a 369 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: minute and talk a little Travis Hunter with my friend Job. 370 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: All right, as always, I took longer than I expected, 371 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: like flying through some relatively unimportant news. 372 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: I thought we'd spend the whole show on the Jaguars. 373 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: We just do five and but it's one of the 374 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: things I like about this NFL daily format is I'm 375 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: into the news almost all times a year, so I 376 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: do like to keep all the listeners informed. 377 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: Hopefully they enjoyed that part of it too. But yes, John, 378 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: you're there. 379 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, I'm convinced will be in the Jaguars Ring 380 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: of Honor someday. 381 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: What is it called. I think it's called the Jaguar. 382 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: I want to say it's Ride, okay, and then the 383 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: cheerleaders are the other one, right. 384 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: It's I remember they had some special name for it. 385 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: And it's why I've killed the Browns for making this trade, 386 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: because I do believe in Travis Hunter that much, and 387 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: I know he's going to have to prove everyone right, 388 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: but I do think he's a guy that the people 389 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: are going to remember as a Jaguar for a very 390 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: long time, and that you have a long term plan 391 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: for him. And we are at the very very very 392 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: beginning of that long term plan. But what has like 393 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: the short term plan looked like practically on a day 394 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: to day basis. 395 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I've seen him now practice three times or 396 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 3: once a rookie minting camp and then twice at OTA's. 397 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 3: They've held one other rookie mining camp day that media 398 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 3: wasn't at, and then two other OTA days. So I've 399 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: seen him practice three out of the six possible times 400 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: he's practiced. Every time i've seen him practice, he's been 401 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: on offense. And I don't know if that's like a 402 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: concentrated effort or a plan or whatever, but his days 403 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: on defense have been the days that the media haven't 404 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: been there. But the days that we've been there, it's 405 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 3: not like he's going back and forth or like somebody 406 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: even was like asking at the first rookie minute camp, 407 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 3: he's going to wear like a two like colored like 408 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 3: practice jersey where he just flips it inside out like 409 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: flag football, and it's going to be offensive defense. But 410 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: Liam Cohen, you know, made it pretty clear yesterday. You know, 411 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: he was asked there is going to be a time 412 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: where he's practicing both positions in one practice and he'll 413 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 3: probably have to do it during the season because practices 414 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: are so much shorter than it's also a lot less 415 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: physical practices because it's mostly game plan stuff and install 416 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: so but during OTA's during this time, he's not doing 417 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 3: like two things at once. So like if he's starting 418 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: the day at receiver, he's an in the day at receiver, 419 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: and he's you know, taking one hundred percent of his 420 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: reps on one side of the ball, whichever one he 421 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: starts at. But they've said, you know, he's practiced at 422 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: cornerback a couple of times. I said, he was at 423 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 3: cornerback at last Wednesday, so that'd be their third OTA practice, 424 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: So I guess he went two days at receiver, one 425 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: day at corner and then yesterday back to wide receiver. 426 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 3: So it's pretty clear where they have their focus on. 427 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: And you know, I'll be honest and like Frank like, 428 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 3: it probably is where it deserves to be because you 429 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: can tell, like from rookie Mini Caampo least, my thought was, 430 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 3: he's definitely a guy who needs to be taught the 431 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 3: finer points of position. He's never been able to just 432 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: like solely focus on it. You know, he's always been 433 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 3: going both ways. You kind of at Colorado it seemed 434 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: like they were just letting South less and take over. 435 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 2: So to me, the plan makes sense. 436 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: But I'm already seeing him honestly making strides in that department, 437 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: just the little things. 438 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: A wide receiver, Okay, in a lot of ways that 439 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: could go there. Let's go back to what you said 440 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: that you're not surprised that they're doing it on offense. 441 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: Do you mean because that's where he would be more 442 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: valuable for this Jaguars team, that that just makes sense 443 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: for him to start his career there, or like that's 444 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: where he maybe needs more work is wide receiver, So 445 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: you started there. 446 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: I honestly think it's a little bit of all of it. 447 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 3: I think obviously wide receiver versus corner wide receiver, Like 448 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: just look at the money and the contracts. Wide receivers 449 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: in a more valuable position right now. You know, Liam 450 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 3: Cohen's an offensive minded head coach. They said, like Tony 451 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 3: Boselli did like a complete media tour before you know, 452 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 3: the draft, and pretty much every time you know, he 453 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: did an interview, he's like, yeah, we're looking for guys 454 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: who can score touchdown, So obviously you know they're seeing 455 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: offenses more valuable. But I also think like the time 456 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: on task receivers probably where he needs it more than corner. 457 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: You go back to after they drafted him. James Gladstone 458 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 3: even said, you know he's spent he has spent more 459 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: time at corner in his football career, football life than 460 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: at wide receiver. So just getting that coaching each and 461 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: every single day, like he'd probably make a quicker and 462 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: easier transition to corner than wide receiver. But I also 463 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: think they see it as intrinsically a more valuable position too. 464 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: See, I really respect your coverage. If you're interested in 465 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: like learning how a great you know, beat writer covers 466 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: the team, you should check out John's stuff. And I 467 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: listened to your pod and was checking out some of 468 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: the articles, just like wanting you to be irresponsible and 469 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: tell me how insanely explosive like Hunter has looked, and 470 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: that he just moves different than everyone else. And you're 471 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: on there saying, you know, D'ami Brown's probably made more 472 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: plays than anyone. Diami Brown's been awesome. It's like, no, 473 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: give me, give me the red meat. Tell me how 474 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: Travis Hunters looked. 475 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 3: You See, I remember learning my lesson from Live year 476 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: from wondering when Ryan Nilson would get head coach interviews. 477 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: So I've pulled back a little bit, but she's crazy. 478 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: Abrey Brown, you know, and Swartz and home it says 479 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: look good, but no, Travis Hunter. He has looked good. 480 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: Like from the first rookie minuting camp practice to yesterday, 481 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: I've seen him make significant strides because you could tell, 482 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 3: like his first rookie minute camp practice he was like 483 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 3: redoing drills like three or four times because he was 484 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: like messing it up, and the wide receivers coach had 485 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: a good minute would correct him and then instead of 486 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 3: just going to the back of the line, he'd go 487 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: right back to the front and restart it. You're not 488 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: seeing like you saw it a little bit the next 489 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: OTA practice and then this last one you just didn't 490 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 3: see it. So you're clearly seeing him mixed strides as 491 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: a route runner. He had some reps and I wrote that, 492 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 3: you know, he was impressive without the ball in OTA yesterday, 493 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: and I saw some fantacy account retweet it and be 494 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: like this is gibberous. I was a wide receiver impressive 495 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 3: without the ball, and like that. 496 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: It happens all the time they're out there for like 497 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: sixty plays a game, Yeah, exactly. 498 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 3: And there were just a couple of reps and there 499 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: was one in particular against Jordan Lewis, who one of 500 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 3: the NFL's better slot cornerbacks. You know, they sign him 501 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: to a big deal, but he's been one of the 502 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: probably a top four to five nickel corners in the 503 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 3: NFL the Cowboys last couple of years. And Hunter just 504 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: the route that he ran, the explosiveness that he had 505 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 3: out of his break, Lewis couldn't keep up with him, 506 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: and he looked like the kind of mood where I'm like, 507 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 3: I don't know who can keep up with them. So yeah, 508 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: he's still warned the little fine details and stuff, but 509 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: he does move differently. He does move like a free 510 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: He does have that star power that you can just 511 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: automatically since wherever he lines up on the field like, okay, 512 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 3: this is a dude, he has all of that. 513 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: Right. 514 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: I became so not that I was alone in this, 515 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: but and awored with him and convinced that he could 516 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: excel at both positions but at receivers specifically watching him, 517 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: not because I know enough or thought that he's so 518 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: refined as a route runner. Just that the guys that 519 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: do move differently on tape that you can just tell 520 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: move differently in a way that the game just really 521 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: slows down for them mentally and physically, where he can 522 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: control his body in a certain way that few others can. 523 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: Those guys translate to me, Odell Beckham was was certainly 524 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: one of them. 525 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors I think was one of them. 526 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson in the NFL is like the epitome of that. 527 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: And frankly Brian Thomas Jr. Like his teammate, is one 528 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: of them. 529 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: So I guess I'm curious how you've seen this coaching 530 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: staff come in and what kind of ideas you think 531 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: that they have. And I thought it's interesting you said, yeah, 532 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: like they're an offensive staff. Maybe that's why he's on offense, 533 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: because I've noticed they've been all about the offense, and like, 534 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: I get it, offense. I think it is more important 535 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: or it's a little more stable, and that makes sense 536 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: that you would start there. 537 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more important to them, Like obviously to support 538 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, it is to have a good number two cornerback, 539 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: you know, and that's all things I think like we 540 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: can agree with and I think the Hunter pick was 541 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, like obviously, you know, adding 542 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 3: a guy who they think is an elite guy on 543 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: and off the field, but also as a way to 544 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 3: just help your quarterback because a lot of the things 545 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 3: that Tray does well and things that he won't need, 546 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 3: you know, years of developing a receiver at or things 547 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: that Liam Cohen scheme you know, automatically brings in. Like 548 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: Liam Cohen last year the Buccaneers, they were probably the 549 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: best screen team in the NFL. And he is a 550 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: really good scheme in terms of how he dials those 551 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 3: things up, you know, for wide receivers, for running backs 552 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 3: and Travis Hunter. I think he's going to feast on 553 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: those this year. I think, you know, if you want 554 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: a candidate for and I'm a Trevor Lawrence like, I'm 555 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: a fan of his game. 556 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: I think he's a good quarterback. I think he's better 557 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: than most people do. 558 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 3: But I could definitely see, like his production this year, 559 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: there to be some you know, fugazi fakeness to it, 560 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: just because they have the pieces between the scheme and 561 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 3: the talent. I think to really eat on the easy 562 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 3: button kind of things like that, and that's where I 563 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: think Hunter will make everybody's life kind of easier on offense. 564 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so how do you think him and Brian Thomas 565 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Junior compliment each other? Because I was so high on 566 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: Thomas Junior that I've brought it up many times because 567 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: it ended up being right, unlike most of the takes 568 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: that I have, where I don't think anyone would have 569 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: expected him to be a top twenty receiver right out 570 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: the jump, which I think he was, Like he was 571 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: already a top fifteen twenty receiver. If you're being conservative 572 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: as a rookie, how do you like I guess I'm 573 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: curious just what you saw from him and everything that 574 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 1: you think about him, and then how he fits with 575 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: Hunter and with Liam Cohen and Trevor how because that's 576 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: to me, the model here is like Cincinnati. It's it's 577 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: Tampa too, but it's like Cincinnati that like this. These 578 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: are the three pillars along with the head coach of 579 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: your organization. 580 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: Now one hundred percent, he is like, like you said, 581 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: one the pillars there are when a new regime comes 582 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 3: in the way I see it is the new regime 583 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: has their guys, They have the leftover guys from the 584 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: older regym that they'll kind of pick through, and the 585 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 3: Deerman who they want to keep. And then there's a third, 586 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: much smaller group of guys who are just cornerstones that 587 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter who picked them, any regime wants them. 588 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: And Brian Thomas Jr. Like to me, is right at 589 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: the top with Trevor Lawrence, Josh einz Allen, Travis Hunter 590 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: on that list. I think even with the addition of 591 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter and you know, even the on my Brown 592 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 3: that the passing offense is still going to run through 593 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: Brian Thomas. I think that, you know, one of the 594 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 3: first things Liam Cohen kind of said, you know, to 595 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,239 Speaker 3: the local media when he got here was like, when 596 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: he was evaluating receivers, he was like, I probably didn't 597 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: evaluate Brian Thomas as much as hard as I should have, 598 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 3: because obviously Tampa, you know, wasn't looking for a receiver 599 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: in the first round. But you know, he gave credit 600 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 3: to the last jag war staff or how often they 601 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: put him in the slot and seeing what he could 602 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 3: do from there, and he know that, you know, he's 603 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 3: a really really good deep threat, but he's more than 604 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: that and that's what I really noticed from him last year. 605 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: Like obviously he has a crazy speed. 606 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 3: You know, you can get open deep on anybody to 607 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: catch radious, but his releases off the line, his body 608 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: movements for a guy who's you know, that tall and 609 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: has that frame, just his quick snaps, the way he 610 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: can get low and break. He can run pretty much, 611 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: you know, any route, any kind of scheme, whatever you want. 612 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: He to me has all the tools you're looking for 613 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: in a number one receiver. Literally the thing he the 614 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 3: one thing I think he has to get better at 615 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: is catch in the football, which is you know, a 616 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: pretty natural thing. 617 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: Like you know, some of his touchdowns last year he 618 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 2: like double clutched it. 619 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 3: But every I think he has every trade to excel, 620 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: especially with this new staff scheme, and they absolutely love him. 621 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: Everybody in that building, like things that do is a star. 622 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: Speed. 623 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: Speed is like at that level is just so hard 624 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: to find. And we'll see how Diami Brown works out. 625 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: You know, for the listeners that forget like did not 626 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of production for Washington, but really came 627 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: on in the playoffs. Had two of the best games 628 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: of his life in the playoffs, which helped him get 629 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: like a one year, ten million dollar contract, which in 630 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: this market is like number three, number four receiver, buddy, 631 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: And you said he's looked great. And so the three 632 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: of them, man, they can not just you know, get 633 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: to the intermediate level really quickly and and have those 634 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: sort of timing throws that I think Lawrence can be 635 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: great at. But they can set up each other where 636 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: one of them, as you mentioned, like Hunter, half his 637 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: catches last year were just on. 638 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: Those those bubbles and screens and everything. 639 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: Many the guys going deep can open it up for 640 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: each other on the short stuff. 641 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 2: They're all pretty versatile. Like I am excited. 642 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: I know, I had you on in August and I 643 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: was thinking, let the Jaguars. I'm not sure which direction 644 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,959 Speaker 1: they're gonna go, but I do find them interesting. They 645 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: were like a boom or bust team, and they definitely busted, 646 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: but I think they're gotta be more entertaining to watch. 647 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: How how's the Liam Cohen experience been for you as 648 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: a as a guy covering the team? Obviously he made 649 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: you know a lot of waves with his introductory press confidence, 650 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: but how's it kind of bed since then? 651 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: No? 652 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: I remember sitting there, like you know, in the crowd 653 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: like ten feet away from the second he said it, 654 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 3: I was like, wow, the second I. 655 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: Look at my phone is gonna be absolutely now. 656 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: He's honestly been really good to cover, like from our 657 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: perspectives so far, Like I know some people will cover 658 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: the Buccaneers said he was always good in the media. 659 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: There one thing I'll say about him, honestly is he's 660 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: incredibly like on the podium, like honest in some of 661 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: his responses in a way I haven't really seen the 662 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: coaches I've covered. You know, Doug Morone didn't really say 663 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 3: anything Urban Meyer. He not only you know, being honest 664 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: is not one of his strong suits. He barely knew 665 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: the roster. He called James Robinson James the running back, 666 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: Roy Robinson Harris was Roy Roberts. Just stuff like that, 667 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: so you weren't getting anything from him. Doug Peterson was 668 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: like the classic like pink by numbers, like NFL coach 669 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: in terms of like coach speak, like he was just 670 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 3: giving you the generic stuff. Lee was very honest, Like 671 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: he was asked about their rookie running back, you know, 672 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: baishall tutent after the first OTA's and he like fumbled 673 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 3: the ball in his very first rep and somebody asked 674 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: him after their practice there, like, how's Tutent doing it? 675 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 3: He goes, well, he fumbled today. That stood out, and 676 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: it was just like an honesty to me that, like 677 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 3: I'm not like in the past, you know, i'd probably 678 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: hear him be like, oh, well, you know, he's making progress. 679 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: We'll see how it does. 680 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: So just in terms of getting actual interesting answers and 681 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 3: stuff we can write about, he's been good. I think 682 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 3: in terms of the x's and o's what they'll bring 683 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: schematically just to make them a more interesting team, I 684 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 3: definitely think that they'll bring because that's been a thing 685 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: with the Jaguars, like they've had all like the pieces 686 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 3: in terms of the players to be an interesting team. 687 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 3: The last couple of years, it just never seems like, 688 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 3: you know, the front office and coaching staff have pulled 689 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: their weight in that area too, And now it feels like, 690 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 3: you know, they're doing that. 691 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. 692 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes the rookie head coaches are like more transparent and 693 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: they actually come into it wanting to be transparent. Like 694 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what Doug Peterson was like his first 695 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: year in Philadelphia and then by year three, it's a 696 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: different state of affairs or by year whatever it was 697 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: thirty seven for Urban Meyer, I don't know where he 698 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: was at. What did you say? Telling the truth was 699 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: not his strong point? That's a that's a very nice 700 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: way to say. He was like a lying liar who 701 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: always lied all the time. 702 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: And it's probably the nicest thing I've said about him. Yeah, 703 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: it didn't seem like. 704 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: There's liam. Yeah, it didn't seem like Urban was too 705 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: invested in the job. 706 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: That still feels the same dream, that still feels like 707 00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: the weirdest, like nine months a month. 708 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm excited really to just watch Hunter and to hear about, yeah, 709 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: how these first practices have been. And is interesting to 710 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: think how they're bringing him along because he's he's in 711 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: defensive meeting rooms though too, right, So see he's like 712 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: doubling up with the meetings. 713 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: How does that work? Yeah? 714 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, so while he's not like doubling up on the 715 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 3: practice shield, they did say he's been doubling up into meetings, 716 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: which seems immensely difficult, like at least to me, like 717 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 3: they I guess from their perspective. And Hunter even said 718 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: after working Mini CAMPI, He's like, well, the defense is 719 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 3: easier to learn than the offense because I guess, you know, like, yeah, 720 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 3: there's different calls and stuff, but defense, like like coveragees 721 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 3: or coverages. 722 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: You know, not many people are throwing that many twists 723 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: on it. 724 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 3: Whereas Liam Cohen, it seems like from everybody's description, like 725 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 3: his playbook is vast, and like Frank and steinish. 726 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: That it's just something we literally have never seen before 727 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: covering in my time covering the league, but in really 728 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: anyone's time covering the league, because you'd have to go 729 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: back to like the nineteen fifties and it's just not 730 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: even close to. 731 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: The same sport. 732 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: Before I let you go, I did notice you had 733 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: a hot take on your website being very upset it's 734 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: ranking season, John, and you were not happy that Trayvon 735 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: Walker was not even listed in PFF's top thirty two. 736 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: And I don't put too much into the rankings because 737 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: if you make a ranking, people are obviously going to 738 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: disagree with some of it, so it happens. But I 739 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: do think we're entering year four Trayvon Walker. We'll see 740 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: if he gets a contract extension or not. Where do 741 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: you see him as this number one overall pick that 742 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people have picked on over the years 743 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: because he hasn't been as good as Aiden Hutchinson. Where 744 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: are you in the Trayvon Walker journey and where do 745 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: you think, like PFF, maybe national people get it wrong 746 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: if we are. 747 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 748 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: No, I even mentioned in my pod that's coming out 749 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 3: tomorrow and that like I'm aware I'm feeding into the 750 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: machine when I do that, I'm very aware of Fine, 751 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 3: that's my desired you know. Effect Travon's a guy who 752 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 3: I've honestly come around a decent on. After his rookie season, 753 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 3: I was like, like I was like openly going on 754 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: like radio shows and Jackson'll be like, I don't know 755 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: if he's ever going to be a double digit sack 756 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 3: I like, he'll probably be fine, like get like seven 757 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 3: or eight sacks a season, be a good run defender. 758 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: He's fine, But I didn't think he'd ever be like 759 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 3: a double digit sack guy. And then suddenly he's done 760 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 3: it in back to back years and I in complete 761 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: agreement that, like he's not like a top ten, fifteen, 762 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 3: probably even top twenty edge. I think like last year 763 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 3: for PFF, he was like nineteenth and pressures but fourth 764 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 3: and pass rush attempts, So he just doesn't have the 765 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: efficiency as a pure pressure guy. But I do think 766 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 3: we've gotten to a point where he is underrated because 767 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 3: I mean, he's at least getting sack production. His productions 768 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 3: increased each year he's twenty four. He plays the run well. 769 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 3: It seems like for at least what the Jaguars envisioned 770 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: when they picked him at number one, which was to 771 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,959 Speaker 3: start slow and then to kind of gradually get better 772 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 3: and become a pretty good player. It kind of seems like, 773 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 3: you know, like you can question Balky picking him over Hutchinson, 774 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 3: but at least Bulkey's evaluation of him and how his 775 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: career arc would go, it kind of seems like he 776 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 3: was right so far. But as long as Aiden Hudgson's around, 777 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 3: I do think Trayvon's probably going to be in that 778 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 3: weird kind of perception area. 779 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, But the thing is, he's only he's only twenty four, 780 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: and this idea that he's this incredibly talented physical specimen 781 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: that's going to get better and better, and he has 782 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: like he can continue to get better, And here's the 783 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: real test, Like I'd be very surprised if he didn't 784 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: get a very good second contract from the Jaguars, and 785 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: if you had taken him number four overall or number 786 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: six overall and you're the Jaguars, like he is as 787 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: good or better than half or more than like the 788 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: number six seven overall. Guys, he just got taken number 789 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: one and it was a weird draft and that's not 790 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: his fault. But considering what a risky pick he was 791 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: at the time, I'm with you. I think I don't 792 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: know if he's underrated, but I'm not sure the conventional 793 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: wisdom has caught up to like he's a plus starter, 794 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: and half of the top ten picks don't even turn 795 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: into plus starters. This is how the NFL draft works. 796 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: So ultimately, like he's been a pretty good pick. He's 797 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: just not Aiden Hutchinson at least then yet. 798 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, like if Aidan Hudgerson wasn't in a draft and 799 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 3: Kavon Tibada went number two, like the Trayvon pick, probably 800 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 3: like natural nationally looks a lot better. 801 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 2: That's a good point. Uh, Kavon was in that draft? 802 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: Is that correct? 803 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 4: Yeah? 804 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could. 805 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 3: I remember I had Trayvon as my I missed on everything. 806 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 3: I had Trayvon as my number three edge, I had 807 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 3: kaveon number one over Hudgson because I was like, I don't. 808 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 2: Know about the short on Hutchson guy. 809 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 3: I was having a bulky moment and then it just 810 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 3: blew up on me completely on all levels. 811 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: It's a great shout though, because a lot of draft 812 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: Twitter agreed with you, and I think I might have 813 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: had it lined up that way too. At least Thibodeau 814 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: over Trayvon Walker was totally consensus, and ultimately between those 815 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: two players, Walker's absolutely. 816 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 2: Been the better pro. 817 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: So I just you know, we don't we don't talk 818 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: Jaguars enough on this show. I feel like it's been 819 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: a nice heavy AFC South week. We talked a lot 820 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: of Titans on our last show. It's that time of year. 821 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: We should be giving the AFC South some love. And 822 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad for you, John that you got Travis Hunter 823 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: because he got married this weekend. 824 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: I'm buying into. 825 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: Just like that he is an intangibly rich guy that's 826 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: got to change the culture, just because he just seems 827 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: like such an infectious, like amazing spirit. 828 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: I'm buying into all of that. 829 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: And because of that, John, I think he's going to 830 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: have this like crazy epic career and you're going to 831 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: be there to capture all of it. Appreciate you, John, 832 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Man all with check Out John, as 833 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: I mentioned Jaguars on SI and the Jaguars Insider podcast. 834 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: We will be back wrapping up the week. It's going 835 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: to go into your feed Friday morning. That will be 836 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: with our good friend Patrick claibhann talking about some veterans 837 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: under a little bit of fire and yeah, like we 838 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 1: got a new party boat. We got a party boat 839 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: story to talk about. You know, football is back.