WEBVTT - Betrayal Weekly: EP 8 - Torrah

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<v Speaker 1>This is an incredible story that sounds like it's made up,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like a soap opera, It sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>drama movie, but it's so real and it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>only one. There are things we might not know about

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<v Speaker 1>somebody we live with, and there's so many stories like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 2>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 2>change everything. About a year ago, we heard from a

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<v Speaker 2>listener with a story that floored us. Tora Giles is

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<v Speaker 2>a history professor in Colorado. But she grew up on

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<v Speaker 2>the California coast with her seven siblings.

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<v Speaker 1>And we grew up on a farm, so my life

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of wild and crazy and great. Grew up

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<v Speaker 1>super religious. In the Seventh Day, I'dventist church as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>The church was Tora's life. She went to a Christian school,

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<v Speaker 2>her friends and after school activities were all through the church,

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<v Speaker 2>and she assumed that her life would follow the same

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<v Speaker 2>path that was modeled by the women around her. Graduate

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<v Speaker 2>high school, get married, and start having kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny enough, I thought as a kid that twenty years

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<v Speaker 1>old was being a grown up, and twenty five year

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<v Speaker 1>olds were old, and so I thought for sure that

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<v Speaker 1>I would be married by twenty but I never really dated.

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<v Speaker 2>After high school, Tora became a full time nanny and

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<v Speaker 2>she tried to give dating a shot.

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<v Speaker 1>I finally went on one date with a guy and

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<v Speaker 1>gave him like the little peck at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the night and was just like, no, that was not

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I did not like that. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>a date.

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<v Speaker 2>Torra started to realize that the traditional path wasn't for her,

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<v Speaker 2>so instead of trying to find a husband, she started

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<v Speaker 2>planning for a new career.

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<v Speaker 1>And decided to go to college and I studied history,

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<v Speaker 1>which was really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>After undergrad she moved to Colorado to pursue a pH

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<v Speaker 2>d in history.

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<v Speaker 1>I was living in this really cute, tiny apartment in

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<v Speaker 1>the older section of Colorado Springs, so cute and just

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<v Speaker 1>loving my life. I felt like I had really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of arrived. I had a job, I was teaching, I

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<v Speaker 1>had friends. I was very happy.

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<v Speaker 2>She loved teaching, especially American history.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so much fun. Keeps us in mind. January

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty seventeen, and I decided it would be a

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<v Speaker 1>good time to teach conspiracy culture and elections in United

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<v Speaker 1>States political history.

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<v Speaker 2>By this time, Toro was in her mid thirties. She'd

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<v Speaker 2>tried dating for years, but ultimately decided she didn't need romance.

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<v Speaker 2>Her life was complete without it.

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<v Speaker 1>Dating and romantic relationships were not going to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of my life, and I was sort of settled into

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<v Speaker 1>that in a very comfortable way where it didn't bother me.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't something I was seeking out. I wasn't on

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<v Speaker 1>dating apps, I wasn't looking for it, and I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>was not looking for him.

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<v Speaker 2>In that class, she met a student named Erin. Like her,

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<v Speaker 2>he was also in his mid thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a service dog, this really cute English mastiff

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<v Speaker 1>named Osa, and she had the best underbite, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would be in the back of class chomping on a bone.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was always very aware of his presence, partially

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<v Speaker 1>because of her. He would come up after class and

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<v Speaker 1>we would pet the dog and chat a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Aarin was a veteran, a former Army medic who'd lost

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<v Speaker 2>his foot in an explosion in Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that he had had an amputation to his leg.

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<v Speaker 1>He talked about it fairly frequently. He had a handy

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<v Speaker 1>cat parking past.

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<v Speaker 2>The disability was a big part of his life, but

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't define him, and it certainly didn't hold him back.

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<v Speaker 2>He was finishing his bachelor's degree on his way to

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<v Speaker 2>start nursing school. After each class, he would stay behind

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<v Speaker 2>and chat with Tora.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a very slow way of speaking. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no rush for anything in life. I always had the

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<v Speaker 1>vibe that he was one of those people that would

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<v Speaker 1>talk forever if you let them, and so I would

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<v Speaker 1>start to gather my things, and eventually he started walking

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<v Speaker 1>me to my car because my class was from seven

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<v Speaker 1>to ten pm, and it was very surface level chat

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the whole time. I was his teacher, usually about class,

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<v Speaker 1>usually about some interesting fact. He was like a sponge

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<v Speaker 1>for information.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron shared that he was Native American talk tall, which

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<v Speaker 2>was a big part of his identity, and she noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that he was always immaculately put together.

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<v Speaker 1>He had kind of long hair that he kept tied

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<v Speaker 1>back in this low knot on the back of his head,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of slicked back low. I hesitate to call amandun

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<v Speaker 1>because I know that was hurt Aaron's feelings, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. And he had a cowboy Western Bible thought,

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<v Speaker 1>not like costume, but he wore a lot of very

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<v Speaker 1>nice button ups and jeans and leather boots, so that

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty much his uniform. He just had this confident

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<v Speaker 1>air about him that he knew he was smart, he

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<v Speaker 1>knew he was good looking, but he was also kind

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<v Speaker 1>and respectful and interesting and funny and talented. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was a fan very quickly, just of his entire aura.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron and Tora kept talking every week after class for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the semester.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point in those conversations, I brought up the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I had been a nanny, and a few

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<v Speaker 1>months later he came to me after class one day

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<v Speaker 1>and said, we need to switch where my son is

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<v Speaker 1>going to daycare. What do you know about maybe hiring

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<v Speaker 1>a nanny. So we chatted a little bit about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's how I found out he had a child.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that before. He wore a ring, so

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<v Speaker 1>I knew he was married, but I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>he had a kid who was a baby at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe four or five months old. So that was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of our first foray into anything personal. Was just that

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<v Speaker 1>bit of advice he was seeking about finding good childcare.

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<v Speaker 2>After the class ended in May, Tora got a Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>friend request. It was from Aaron. He was already Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>friends with other teachers, so she accepted the request.

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<v Speaker 1>Then about a week later, he sent me a message

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<v Speaker 1>about nine to ten o'clock at night. I was already

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<v Speaker 1>in bed, and I thought, well, that's weird, what the heck?

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<v Speaker 1>And so rolled over and checked the message. It was

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<v Speaker 1>from him and he just said, you know something, very casual.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you? And I said, oh, I'm good. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole time thinking like, what does this guy want? Keep

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<v Speaker 1>in mind, I am very single, very happy to be single,

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<v Speaker 1>not looking for anything. I think he's great. Hadn't really

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<v Speaker 1>given any thought. The man's married with a baby, right.

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<v Speaker 2>They chatted for a few minutes before Aaron revealed why

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<v Speaker 2>he had reached out.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, do you know that I'm going through a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bad divorce And I said, oh no, I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea. So we chatted a little bit about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, yeah, actually she was arrested last night. We

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<v Speaker 1>got into an argument and she got physical and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>that's terrible. I'm so sorry to hear that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I did the nice thing which I've since learned not

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Which is. I said, is there anything I

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<v Speaker 1>do to help? And he said, well, I might need

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<v Speaker 1>some help with my son.

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<v Speaker 2>Toora read between the lines, Aarin was desperate. He was

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<v Speaker 2>about to start in an intensive two year nursing program,

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<v Speaker 2>and now he would likely have full custody of his

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<v Speaker 2>infant son. She felt for his situation, and the next day,

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<v Speaker 2>while Aaron was on campus, he's swung by Tora's office

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<v Speaker 2>with his baby in tow. He wanted to thank Tora

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<v Speaker 2>for the semester and for offering to help.

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<v Speaker 1>And I sat and listened to him, and I held

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<v Speaker 1>the baby, and oh my gosh, she was the cutest

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<v Speaker 1>little thing. And then as we started wrapped up that conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the end of my day and I said, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you need anything, let me know. And he said, well, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a paper I have to work on tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you be able to come over and just hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with him while I do my homework for an

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<v Speaker 1>hour or two and then I'll make dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost reflexively, she said yes.

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<v Speaker 1>It was more this like Christian sense of duty that

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<v Speaker 1>I had been trained into. Someone needs help, you show

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<v Speaker 1>up even if it's inconvenient, or you don't really want to.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was my first thought, is I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to. I don't really want someone who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>rely on me. I don't really want to be involved

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<v Speaker 1>in someone else's drama. And I have a full time job,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm teaching, I'm busy.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to that, she did in want errand to

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<v Speaker 2>mistake her kindness for something else.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm worried all the time that men are going to

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<v Speaker 1>take my presence as some sort of an invitation. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was so anti dating and relationships that it was

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<v Speaker 1>just something I never wanted to foster. So I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about all this is I'm driving the twenty minutes to

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<v Speaker 1>his house, like, okay, I'm going to have to think

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<v Speaker 1>of boundaries. I'm going to have to be careful with

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<v Speaker 1>saying yes.

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<v Speaker 2>When she got to his house, her anxiety dissipated. He

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<v Speaker 2>was just erin and that made her feel comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>He was himself the way he always was with me

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<v Speaker 1>after class, just very warm and friendly and kind, thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 1>So I stayed, had dinner, and then you know, stay

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have an adult beverage is what he used

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<v Speaker 1>to call them. Stay and we'll have an adult beverage

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<v Speaker 1>after the boy goes to bed, and I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>have anything going on, so I not so I stayed

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<v Speaker 1>and we had a beer, sat out on the back patio,

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<v Speaker 1>and he told me a little bit more about what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on, and it was pretty bad. There were

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<v Speaker 1>holes in the wall going up the stairs. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a hole in the wall in the dining room. And

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked and talked and talked and talked. He

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<v Speaker 1>shared a little bit of the emotions that came up

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<v Speaker 1>with him. Oh, I feel bad and she is my

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<v Speaker 1>son's mother, but also we can't keep doing this and

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get out of his marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>That night, they ended up talking until one am.

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<v Speaker 1>I have work at eight am, and he said, just

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<v Speaker 1>crash in my guest room. Here's some clean pajamas, here's

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<v Speaker 1>a toothbrush. Just crashed downstairs. And I did, which is

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<v Speaker 1>so out of character for me. I felt a little weird,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was very happy to be around him and

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to stay there and be helpful. I love

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<v Speaker 1>to be helpful, I love to be needed. So I

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<v Speaker 1>stayed the night, got up in the morning, trucked off

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<v Speaker 1>to work, and then the next day he said, hey, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a test coming up if you're pretty. Later on,

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<v Speaker 1>I went back over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon she was going over to Aaron's every few days

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<v Speaker 2>to help out with his son. It felt like the

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<v Speaker 2>right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I was always sleeping in the guest room. I made

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<v Speaker 1>it very clear to him, I don't let people touch me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not interested in a romantic relationship. I am just

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<v Speaker 1>here to help. I want to be your friend. I

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<v Speaker 1>want you to feel supported. But that's as far as

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to go. And I just kept telling him, like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just friends. I don't let people touch me. The

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I give you hugs is kind of exceptional.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to respect that, and he really did.

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<v Speaker 2>After Aaron would put us on to bed, the two

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<v Speaker 2>of them would stay up and have a drink on

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<v Speaker 2>the back patio and just talk about life. It became

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<v Speaker 2>their little ritual.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a very guarded person, so a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>what he would talk about was things that were very

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<v Speaker 1>present right now. If he brought up the past, it

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<v Speaker 1>always felt like kind of an honor that he trusted

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<v Speaker 1>me with that story. And he would point that out

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<v Speaker 1>in a very subtle way of oh, I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>tell people this story, but you're different. We just never

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<v Speaker 1>ran out of things to say.

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<v Speaker 2>After about two months of this, Tora went back home

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<v Speaker 2>to visit her family in California.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole time I'm with my family, I'm bringing him

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<v Speaker 1>up and I'm talking with him on the phone, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're seeing that this person is making me kind of

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<v Speaker 1>giddy and smiley and those kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 2>She had never talked about a friend like this before.

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<v Speaker 2>When she got home from that trip, she went straight

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<v Speaker 2>to Aaron's house.

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<v Speaker 1>He had cleaned the whole house, he had some of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite music on Baby was in bed. He had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a bouquet of flowers and a card welcoming

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<v Speaker 1>me home and thanking me for being his friend. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was my first sort of inkling, like, hmm, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to keep an eye on this because here

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<v Speaker 1>I was at home kind of being giddy about this person.

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<v Speaker 1>Here he is bringing me flowers. So there was this

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<v Speaker 1>undercurrent starting where I'm repeatedly saying him like, we're just friends,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're friends who are snuggling on the couch watching

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, not touching. He just just leaning like my

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<v Speaker 1>head on his shoulder or something so benign, So middle school.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was perfect for me because I wasn't ready

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<v Speaker 1>to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>One night, while they were up late talking on the patio,

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron finally said what they had both been thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>He said something to me like, I think you're in

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<v Speaker 1>love with me, and I said, I think you're in

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<v Speaker 1>love with me. And that was it. We were in

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship after that.

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<v Speaker 2>That day became their anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>I leaned in and it was the most fulfilling time

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<v Speaker 1>of my whole entire existence. I'm getting emotional just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about because that part is perfect in my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>After writing off Romance, Tora found a man who defied

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<v Speaker 2>all expectations. Aarin was strikingly handsome, determined, respectful, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was an incredible father. Tora moved into his house and

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship deepened. That's when Aarin opened up about his

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<v Speaker 2>traumatic childhood. He said that both of his parents were abusive.

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<v Speaker 1>His family was incredibly complicated, incredibly damaged, incredibly dysfunctional, and

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<v Speaker 1>these were the reasons that he's so guarded. These are

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons that he doesn't have a relationship with them,

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<v Speaker 1>or see them or go to visit them.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was eighteen, he ran away from home and

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<v Speaker 2>joined the military at the time the war in Iraq

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<v Speaker 2>was just beginning. He worked his way up to become

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<v Speaker 2>a Special Forces medic, but his military career ended in tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>He got hurt in Iraq. They were on a drive

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<v Speaker 1>through a city of some kind and hit an id

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<v Speaker 1>and the humpy in front of them blew up. Theirs didn't,

0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.960
<v Speaker 1>but the impact knocked THEIRS off its balance. He got hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>His foot was amputated because of that injury, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was medically retired and then came home.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron spent weeks in the hospital recovering from his injury,

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<v Speaker 2>and even in this time of crisis, his family turmoil continued.

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<v Speaker 1>His dad showed up to the hospital and tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get medical power of attorney so that he could sell

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron's portion of land that he had been left by

0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:12.360
<v Speaker 1>his grandparents on the Choctaw reservation in Oklahoma. So Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>thought tooth and nail, to get better, to get stronger,

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<v Speaker 1>and kicked his dad out of his life.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of the reasons he needed Tora's help,

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<v Speaker 2>because he didn't have anyone his family and his ex wife,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't safe people. Tora realized he'd spent his entire

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<v Speaker 2>life moving from one traumatic situation to another.

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<v Speaker 1>The man was covered in enormous scars. Everything about him screams,

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<v Speaker 1>I have had a hard life. I have had a

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<v Speaker 1>physically hard life. I've been injured, I've had surgeries.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though it had been years since Aaron was injured

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<v Speaker 2>in the war, it was part of his everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>He walked with a very slight limp and kept that

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<v Speaker 1>leg pretty stiff, but he always kept a stock on

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<v Speaker 1>that foot, and I just figured he wanted to protect it.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a couple of different doctors who were working

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<v Speaker 1>on maybe a better prosthetic because he ended up injuring

0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.320
<v Speaker 1>his knee on that same leg, and we thought maybe

0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.399
<v Speaker 1>he needed a little bit more support from that prosthetic.

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<v Speaker 2>And that wasn't his only injury from the war. He'd

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<v Speaker 2>also injured his back, his shoulder, and his arm. They

0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.879
<v Speaker 2>were constantly getting reinjured, causing Aaron to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor in pain. But despite all this, he still thought

0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:39.040
<v Speaker 2>for full custody, especially because of his childhood. Aaron was

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<v Speaker 2>determined to show up for his son.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an incredible father. He was so attentive and

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<v Speaker 1>so loving and so affectionate and just lit up when

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<v Speaker 1>it came time to go get the boy out of

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<v Speaker 1>bed or read the boy his bedtime story. We called

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<v Speaker 1>him the Boy. I'm going to call him the Boy

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm not going to say his name.

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<v Speaker 2>The boy was only a few months old when Tora

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<v Speaker 2>met him, and she was there for all of his

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<v Speaker 2>big firsts.

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<v Speaker 1>The boy and I were just absolutely connected at the

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<v Speaker 1>hip from day one. When it was time for him

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<v Speaker 1>to start eating solids, I was the one who decided

0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.440
<v Speaker 1>how that should go, because I have twenty years childcare

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<v Speaker 1>experience and this is his first child, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>just light up to be around each other.

0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.560
<v Speaker 2>The boy took his first steps to Tora. The three

0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.520
<v Speaker 2>of them fell into a kind of domestic bliss based

0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.720
<v Speaker 2>on a foundation of love for each other and love

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<v Speaker 2>for Aaron's son. After a year together, Tora felt like

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<v Speaker 2>this was her family now. She didn't want to go

0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.040
<v Speaker 2>through the formalities of a wedding and marriage, so instead

0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.440
<v Speaker 2>they lived as common law spouses. They just started calling

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<v Speaker 2>each other husband and wife. With Aaron in school, Toora

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<v Speaker 2>took on more financial responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a retired veteran, so he gets some money, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, life is expensive, so we were always a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit stressed on money. He really liked being a

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<v Speaker 1>provider and making sure that the baby had everything he needed,

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<v Speaker 1>but that usually meant that there was no food in

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<v Speaker 1>the refrigerator for adults. So I started doing things like

0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.280
<v Speaker 1>pitching it on groceries, and I took over the Wi

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<v Speaker 1>Fi and the trash bills.

0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Aaron had to make a monthly home equity payments his

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<v Speaker 2>ex wife, and the expenses just kept coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, it was just never ending. We needed a

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<v Speaker 1>new roof, but we didn't have any money. We needed

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<v Speaker 1>to pay off five thousand dollars in credit cards in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get a refinance on the mortgage, so we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't lose the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite the stress of loving paycheck to paycheck, Tora was

0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:56.480
<v Speaker 2>filled with love for her family. Everything was precariously perfectly balanced.

0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.800
<v Speaker 2>That was until Aaron got sick. One day, he woke

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<v Speaker 2>up in excruciating pain with a very high fever. Tora

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<v Speaker 2>had to go to work, so Aaron went to see

0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.000
<v Speaker 2>their family doctor by himself, and when he got there,

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>his fever was so high he needed to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the er right away.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that they thought might be going

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<v Speaker 1>on when he was in the er was that he

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<v Speaker 1>was having some kind of an infection from his amputation.

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<v Speaker 2>He called Torah from the hospital and she rushed over,

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<v Speaker 2>but when she got there, he wasn't in a hospital

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<v Speaker 2>room erin was just sitting by the hospital entrance in

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<v Speaker 2>a wheelchair.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that they ended up accusing him of being

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<v Speaker 1>pain med seeking, and he said that was racist, that

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<v Speaker 1>was because he was brown. He literally ripped the ivy

0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 1>out of his arm and stormed out of the hospital

0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.439
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of yelled at him all the way home,

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<v Speaker 1>like what were you thinking? You obviously need help. Something

0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 1>is going on. He had a very high fever. He

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<v Speaker 1>was in a lot of pain. I could see that

0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.400
<v Speaker 1>he was miserable and has been a long awful day

0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.520
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the are getting to tests done on him

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<v Speaker 1>and all of them coming back negative.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition to the fever, Aaron was in excruciating pain,

0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:12.040
<v Speaker 2>debilitating chronic pain from his old combat injuries. But this

0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 2>time his doctors weren't able to figure out what was

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.760
<v Speaker 2>going on, so Torra stepped in to take care of him.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole time, I'm icing his back, I'm getting the

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<v Speaker 1>ice packs for his knee. He had special equipment for

0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 1>icing his shoulder and driving him around to doctor's appointments

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<v Speaker 1>because he's in too much pain to drive. I can

0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 1>see the pain on his face. I can see him

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<v Speaker 1>changing and drawing into this pain in his life of

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<v Speaker 1>being in chronic pain. He stopped going to the gym,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he stopped working out in the garage, and

0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>then he stopped moving. Eventually, he just sat around all

0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.240
<v Speaker 1>day and the house stopped getting cleaned. And this is

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.040
<v Speaker 1>all because he's in excruciating pain and he's miserable.

0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 2>He spent weeks on the couch, unable to function. To

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 2>keep his spirits up, he showed Torah his favorite YouTube videos.

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.680
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned have you ever heard of stolen valor? Soon

0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.120
<v Speaker 1>he pulled up YouTube and we spent I would say,

0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 1>probably an hour watching YouTube videos of people being exposed

0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:17.560
<v Speaker 1>for stolen valor.

0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Stolen valor is the term for people who impersonate military

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 2>service members and veterans, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots of videos on YouTube of people going up

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<v Speaker 1>to a person wearing a uniform, insay a mall and saying,

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<v Speaker 1>your bars are on the wrong side of your collar,

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<v Speaker 1>your patches upside down, you are not supposed to be

0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.560
<v Speaker 1>in this uniform, you know, shaming them for this act

0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.959
<v Speaker 1>of stolen valor. And this was something that he was

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.919
<v Speaker 1>very amused by, that these people are getting caught and

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<v Speaker 1>shamed publicly. He loved it. He thought it was so entertaining.

0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.160
<v Speaker 2>It was a welcome distraction from his pain, especially considering

0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the price he was paying for his military service. She

0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:08.520
<v Speaker 2>understood why he liked the stolen valor videos so much.

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<v Speaker 1>So as he withdraws into this chronic pain, I'm pushing

0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.760
<v Speaker 1>harder and harder to make sure that bills are paid,

0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that the house is taking care, to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure the baby has everything he needs, to make

0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 1>sure the baby got to go to the park today

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 1>and play outside. I just started picking up more and

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>more of the slack as he withdrew into being miserable.

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 1>It was awful to watch the person that you're so

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<v Speaker 1>in love with falling apart in front of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Tora's new life with Aaron was thrown off balance when

0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>his chronic pain took a sharp turn for the worst.

0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Aaron eventually started pain management therapy, and Tora felt.

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<v Speaker 1>Helpless taking oxy cotone. I believe perkiet anyway, he was

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.200
<v Speaker 1>taking one of those, and he was supposed to take

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:07.679
<v Speaker 1>like one a day, and he was taking like two

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:09.639
<v Speaker 1>or three because he was in so much pain.

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:11.960
<v Speaker 2>He said he knew what he was doing. He was

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 2>in nursing school and had years of training as an

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.280
<v Speaker 2>army medic. One night, before he came to bed, he.

0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Went took a shower and he came back into the

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.600
<v Speaker 1>room and he had a patch on his shoulder. I said,

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:28.200
<v Speaker 1>what's that and he said, oh, it's final. It's great.

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm not in any pain. It's amazing. And I said,

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>but you took your beds today. He said yeah, And

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, isn't that how people overdose? And he kind

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<v Speaker 1>of poo pooed me, like, I know what I'm doing.

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not an idiot. It's fine, I'm going to bed.

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 1>Good night. I've had a bad day. We're not going

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 1>to have a fight about this. I was so uncomfortable

0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and I just sat there staring at his back, wanting

0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>to rip them off, but trusting him at the same time.

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.959
<v Speaker 2>In the morning, Aaron was unresponsive.

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 1>So I grabbed my phone and I called nine to

0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>one one hysterical, said, my husband's not breathing. He was

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 1>asleep and he's not waking up.

0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 2>The nine one one operator instructed her to begin chest

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>compressions until the paramedics arrived.

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.240
<v Speaker 1>And the whole time I'm doing chess compersions, I'm like,

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 1>he's cold, he's gone. This man is not alive. The

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 1>whole time, in the background, the boy is just scurreaming

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:38.160
<v Speaker 1>my name.

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>The paramedics arrived and confirmed what she already knew. There

0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:48.600
<v Speaker 2>was no bringing Aaron back. She called friends to come

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 2>over and together they waited for the coroner. Not knowing

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 2>what else to do, she fixated on the boy. He

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 2>was three. Tora tried to distract him, play with him,

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.360
<v Speaker 2>but he wanted to know what was going on.

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>He loved as the little Prince, and we started saying,

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, Daddy went to hang out in the stars

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 1>with the little Prince in the fox.

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Before the coroner came, Torah and their friends took turns

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.360
<v Speaker 2>saying goodbye.

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 1>We all went up and sat with Aaron, and I

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>sat down and I told him I will miss you

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>every day for the rest of my life. And then

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:29.640
<v Speaker 1>he was gone.

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 2>But his death would reveal an avalanche of discoveries. It

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 2>began on that very day, but his ex wife showed

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 2>up at the front door. The police had notified her

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 2>of Aaron's death, and his ex wife called his family,

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:48.240
<v Speaker 2>his estranged family.

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>About ten o'clock and a knock on my door, and

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the boy's mom showed up and insisted on sitting down

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and talking to me. I don't know this person at all,

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 1>other than the reputation that I have been very carefully

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.160
<v Speaker 1>spoonfed for three years, which is that she is awful

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>and a horrible person. And she came in like a

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>blast of cold air, sat down in my living room

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>and said, if you want to be in my son's life,

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>there's some things you need to know. First of all,

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Aaron's not chalk, taw Erin's black. And I kind of

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>laughed at her. I'm like, okay, lady, like really, we're

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>going to do this right now.

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Given the circumstances, this comment seemed absurd and irrelevant, but

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 2>his ex wife insisted that there were truths about Aaron

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:37.360
<v Speaker 2>that Tora needed to know before she could share more.

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Aaron's biological family arrived. They were surprised to meet Tora.

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:43.800
<v Speaker 2>They didn't know she existed.

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 1>It was Aaron's mom and Ern's brother who was very

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.560
<v Speaker 1>much a black man. They came in, they sat down

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 1>in my living room, and I told them about me

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.399
<v Speaker 1>and my life with Aaron, how long we've been together.

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>And she said he wasn't a good person, and I thought, well,

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>that's a really weird thing to say to agree.

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Being widow, Toura had seen pictures of Aaron's mother, father,

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 2>and brother. But these people in her house they weren't

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>the same ones she'd seen photos of. Nothing made sense,

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 2>from Aaron's sudden death to the arrival of this family

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>she didn't recognize. But they were his family, and now

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 2>they wanted the house back right away.

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I gave it a lot of thought, and I called

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:34.679
<v Speaker 1>my family on a zoom call and I still cay,

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make eat the house. I don't own it,

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 1>name's not on it. I don't have any right to it.

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>And my friend, the lawyer, said, take what's yours, what

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 1>you bought together, and nothing else.

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Toura packed her car with a few boxes and prepared

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>to leave. She'd also be leaving the boys she'd raise

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>from infancy to nearly age four, but she knew she

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't part of his biol logical family. It was clear

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>that with Aaron gone, Tora just didn't have a place

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 2>in the boy's life.

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>And I reached down and I picked him up, and

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I held him really close, and I said, never forget.

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I love you and I'm your ama, and that will

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>never changed. And she fell out of the road sure away.

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I never saw him against.

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Before walking out of the house for the last time,

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 2>she decided to take Aaron's laptop with her. Her brother

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 2>came to meet her, and together they drove back to

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 2>their parents' house in California.

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I fell apart. I fell apart. I wasn't getting out

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>of bed, I wasn't taking care of myself, I wasn't eating.

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I was a disaster.

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>At first, she fixated on his death, how and why

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>it happened. She got a copy of his autopsy report.

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>When I got his autopsy, it was very much an overdose.

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 1>He had on double the dose and he had taken

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.920
<v Speaker 1>double the dose of oxycodone at the same time to

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>go to bed.

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 2>And there was something else on his autopsy that stood out.

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:19.239
<v Speaker 1>On his autopsy, had said he had a brace on

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.479
<v Speaker 1>his leg, said a brace on his left leg. And

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, that's a really weird way to stay prosthetic,

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>and that was the last I thought of it.

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>The questions that came up right after his death about

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 2>his family, his race, she just didn't have the capacity

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>to think about all of that at the time.

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I stayed very much in grieving widow mode for two months,

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't until after the second month that I

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>opened my eyes finally. So I just let a lot

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff slide and thought like, either I'll deal

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>with it later, or it's not true, or it's a misunderstanding.

0:30:55.320 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>And then after two months I opened his computer. Thing

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>changed instantly. So I opened the computer, got right in

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>on the first try. I knew the password, and I

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>opened his pictures and I started looking through and there

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>were some screenshots in there that sent me to his

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.479
<v Speaker 1>text messages, all of his text messages around his computer,

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and immediately, within twenty seconds, I realized that he was

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship with somebody long distance. I spent an

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>hour coming through their text messages, which were graphic and filthy,

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and the worst part of all of that, there were

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>two things that were just devastating. The first was that

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the things he said to her while they were having

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>this like fantasy relationship is the same stuff he would

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>say to me when we were intimate verbadeim and he

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 1>would tell her, well, I have time, and I won't

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>have the boy on these dates because I was going

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>to be gone for a conference on those dates. So

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that was a lot to realize, like he was manipulating

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>her and mean to keep us both on the hook

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 1>back and forth. But then the worst thing I found

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>in everything I found was him saying, nobody has ever

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 1>loved me, nobody except for you. And that is the

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 1>biggest lie he ever told, And just the most infuriating, devastating,

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 1>cruel thing he could have said, was that nobody had

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>ever loved him. And here I had just spent eight

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>weeks bottomed out, devastated, flat lined because this man had

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>died and I had given him everything.

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 2>She kept looking through his tech and found more women.

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>He was texting four other girls, a couple from tender,

0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>couple from school. One of my favorites was a girl

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 1>he had been in school with who had been to

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>our house and knew me, and they were talking about

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>how she could move in and her teenager could live

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>in the basement bedroom to three bedroom house, and his

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>son lives in one of those bedrooms, so presumably I'm

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 1>not living there as she's moving in. So that was like,

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:30.719
<v Speaker 1>what the heck is he just going to kick me out?

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Like this is resent.

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Aaron was talking to these women up until the week

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 2>he died, making plans with them and inviting them over.

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>And he was saying, well, you know, I don't ever

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 1>have anything going on Tuesday nights, so we could come

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.320
<v Speaker 1>over for dinner, we could watch a movie, but then

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I have to go to bed around ten because I

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>was teaching. I was at class seven to ten on Tuesdays,

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>so he knew I would stay at work and go

0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>to So that was like, I guess, kind of opening

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>that box of like, okay, so he's been doing stuff

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>behind my back. I don't know what. I still don't.

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to, it doesn't matter. He offered it.

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.120
<v Speaker 2>In the two months since Aaron died, these women had

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>been trying to get in touch with him. So Tora

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.760
<v Speaker 2>messaged them back to let them know he was gone.

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>The girlfriend messaged me back, what, No, this isn't real.

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Who are you really? Did you steal

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>his phone? Just total disbelief, which is fair, It is

0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 1>completely fair. And I said yeah, no, real, here's the

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:40.080
<v Speaker 1>pictures of us. We've been together for this amount of time,

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.600
<v Speaker 1>three years, and she said we've been together for longer

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>than that. They've been together when he was married to

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>he's an other wife.

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Tora kept digging through his laptop and that's when she

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 2>saw the photo that changed everything.

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>His computer were all these pictures of his honeymoon, including

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 1>tw you fully attacked feet on the beach, much much

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 1>after he was supposedly injured, and just stared at his feet, like,

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>these are his feet. I recognized one of them, I

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>seeing one of them without a sock.

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>On the entire time they were together, Aaron kept a

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>sock and a brace on his prosthetic foot. She had

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.720
<v Speaker 2>never actually seen his amputation site.

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>He didn't ever like pop off a prosthetic or anything

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 1>like that in front of me. And he needed to

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>shower downstairs because it was really hard for him to

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>step into the shower upstairs and it was a tub

0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>shower combo, so he basically had his own bathroom in

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the downstairs part of the house. So I never saw

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 1>him fully unclothed because he kept a sock on it

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:05.279
<v Speaker 1>when we were sleeping. So I never questioned it. It

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 1>was his private business, that's his medical history, and there

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>was nothing for me to say, well, that seems off.

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 2>She saw the monthly checks coming in from the military,

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 2>she heard the hard prosthetic foot hitting the ground when

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>he walked. Plus he was self conscious about his injury.

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>She never pressed him further.

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Why would I question that? Who would that make me?

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 2>But after she saw the photo of Aaron's two feet

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 2>in the sand on his honeymoon, Tora called their family doctor,

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 2>the doctor who'd done physical exams on her and Aaron

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 2>in the past year.

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 1>I said, did you ever look at his prosthetic or

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:51.880
<v Speaker 1>looked at his amputation site? And she said, oh, make

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:57.479
<v Speaker 1>sure I did? Well, maybe not actually let me think, hey,

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 1>maybe I didn't. And I just sat They're flabbergasted, And

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>at that point that was what was finally like, Yeah,

0:37:06.800 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>this man did not have an amputated foot. I don't

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:12.399
<v Speaker 1>know what he was wearing. I don't know why he

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 1>was wearing it, but it wasn't a prosthetic foot.

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:20.240
<v Speaker 2>This shocking revelation caused her to question the whole story

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 2>she'd been told about his military career.

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Found his D two fourteen, which is like his exit

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>paperwork from the military, and it didn't add up with

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 1>what he told me on.

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>His discharge papers. It said he did join the military

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 2>at eighteen, and he did go to combat once, not

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>four times like he'd said. He wasn't a Special Forces

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>medic like he'd claimed. She doesn't know why he left

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the Army, but it wasn't because of an injury. Her

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.280
<v Speaker 2>entire understanding of Aaron changed.

0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>And I went out into the kitchen and I poured

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 1>myself I am not joking it out tequila down to

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.720
<v Speaker 1>that my dad lives in the country. Thinking this, walked

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 1>out way out into the hills and just screamed and

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>screamed and screamed and till I lost my voice. The

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 1>person I had just spent three years loving and caring

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>for and two months devastated over his loss didn't exist.

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 1>And I came to this point that day where I said,

0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, he took everything from me,

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and when there was nothing left to take, he took

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>himself from me. The person I had loved and been

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:50.240
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship with disappeared, and with him went three

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 1>years of my life into a black hole.

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Who was Aaron and what was his real life story.

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I was googling everything. I'm a historian. I can research

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>like nobody's business. So I'm just googling everything I can

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 1>think of to try to find out who this person is.

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking on Facebook, I'm looking on Instagram, social media.

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.919
<v Speaker 2>She started reaching out to people who were connected to Aaron.

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, now, I'm asking questions, right, what about these people?

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not real. Grandparents were not those people. Those people

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't exist at all. I mean, it was an entirely

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>crafted life. His family is fake, his military experience was

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>not his, and I don't know how he kept it

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>all straight.

0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>She found out that the family who showed up at

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Aaron's house, those people she didn't recognize. They were his

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 2>biological family, and they were very different from what Aaron described.

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't know about his real mom, even though

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 1>she's a real person who lives in a real place.

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I knew about some other version of someone that he

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>could completely control that narrative. And I'm never going to

0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>look her up and say, is this the truth? I

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 1>was the person for him because I chose to trust him,

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and he practiced different things. He tried out different things

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 1>to test me, to see if I would trust him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did. I always did. He very carefully curated

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<v Speaker 1>my life.

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<v Speaker 2>When she started looking back on it, she realized that

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron had slowly isolated her from anyone who'd known him

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<v Speaker 2>for more than four years, anyone who would contradict the

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<v Speaker 2>narrative he was telling her.

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<v Speaker 1>When I finally learned everything and could sort of lay

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<v Speaker 1>out a life timeline for him, there is about a

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<v Speaker 1>three to five year capacity on the stories he was

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<v Speaker 1>telling people. And then he would move on in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>He would leave town, he would start a new school program,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. He'd get married. So he was coming

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of that, and his stories were getting

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<v Speaker 1>a little thin.

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<v Speaker 2>The amputation, the chronic pain from combat wounds, even his

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>native American ancestry, it was all a lie. The one

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 2>thing that was real is that he was sick. He

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<v Speaker 2>had an opioid addiction. She sees that clearly now, and

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<v Speaker 2>she sees that as a part of a larger pattern

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<v Speaker 2>of behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an addict, so he's always looking for kind of

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<v Speaker 1>that next better hit of whatever it was. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it was a partner, and sometimes it was becoming a parent,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes it was a new degree in school. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's tying things together, trying to make himself

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<v Speaker 1>a life that he would have been happy with. So

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<v Speaker 1>he just kept shifting it into the story that he

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<v Speaker 1>liked a little better, and a little better, a little better,

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<v Speaker 1>and it still didn't satisfy him. He still needed narcotics.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel very strongly that he wanted to stay in

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<v Speaker 1>our life, but wasn't sure how to do that. Do

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he put the patches on and hoped

0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 1>he would fall asleep and never wake up. Yeah, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>You can probably tell that tour has been through years

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.439
<v Speaker 2>of therapy to understand and heal from what happened to her.

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 1>My doctor had me talk to the therapist in her office,

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>and I owe everything to his methods. He gave me terminology,

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and that terminology completely changed how I was going through this.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the first person to say, you have PTSD,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, no, no, No, PTSD is for soldiers, which

0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 1>is a really common thought that PTSD is for people

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.959
<v Speaker 1>who've been to war through war. He was really good

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.359
<v Speaker 1>about this is what I think might be going on.

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Read it, let's talk about it next time. He was

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<v Speaker 1>providing me information to heal myself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been four years since Aaron died, and she discovered

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<v Speaker 2>that the man she was building a life with was

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<v Speaker 2>a fraud.

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll still be driving down the road and have a

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:14.240
<v Speaker 1>random memory and go, oh, yeah, that's probably what happened.

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>So I'm still less and less and less and less,

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 1>putting things together and making the pieces fit. But I'll

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:25.800
<v Speaker 1>never know everything, and I'll never have closure, and I

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 1>think that's probably the most important thing. It's like, closure

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 1>isn't necessary for you to move on and heal. It's

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 1>really not help, but it's not necessary.

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Instead, she's tried to find understanding for the real person

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Aaron was. With him gone, She's been able to access

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 2>a kind of empathy, not to excuse his behavior, but

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 2>to make peace with it.

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>He was broken. He was broken by a world that

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 1>breaks people and spits them out. I think he grew

0:43:56.640 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>up feeling inadequate. He grew up feeling unloved, and he

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to write himself a better story than that. And

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 1>instead of becoming someone who would be loved, he became

0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:13.799
<v Speaker 1>someone who he thought was lovable and adjusted it for

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 1>each person as he met them.

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<v Speaker 2>Tora moved back to Colorado, where she still teaches history,

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 2>but she says that this time around, she's a different person.

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.080
<v Speaker 2>She's forever changed by the love she had with Aaron

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and the pain he put her through. We end every

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 2>episode with the same question, why did you want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell your story?

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<v Speaker 1>This is an incredible story that sounds like it's made up,

0:44:44.440 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 1>that sounds like a soap opera, sounds like a drama movie,

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.479
<v Speaker 1>but it's so real and it's not the only one,

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and there's so many stories like this. The more we

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, the more out in the open we

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:00.439
<v Speaker 1>bring these people who exist in the shadow and want

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 1>to operate from the shadows. We have to understand them,

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>we have to assign terminology to the disorders that caused

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:15.839
<v Speaker 1>them to act in these ways, and we have to

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 1>support people who've been through it. And my mission through

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<v Speaker 1>all of this became sort of explaining to more and

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 1>more people that you can heal, you will heal. What

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.720
<v Speaker 1>you're experiencing is valid. Something that I say so often

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 1>to this day is my story was true and my

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 1>experiences were valid. My story was true, even if his wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Mine was.

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<v Speaker 2>On the next episode of Betrayal.

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<v Speaker 1>I went out into the garage area, the car was gone,

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<v Speaker 1>like where did he go?

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