Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome to Nerdificent. I am one
Speaker 1: of your hosts, Danny Fernandez, and sitting across from me
Speaker 1: as always coming in live and direct across from Danny.
Speaker 1: But we have a guest today. Let's talk about her?
Speaker 1: Do we have pop culture critic Joel Money. Hey, how's
Speaker 1: it going. It's good. I'm really glad to be here. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you here. We all actually saw
Speaker 1: the same film last night, but we were in different
Speaker 1: theaters and you got stuck in the theater. I guess
Speaker 1: that notoriously, people don't want to be in it's a theater.
Speaker 1: Film critics don't want to be critics don't like three D.
Speaker 1: They're like, why are we doing this? There's always seats
Speaker 1: left over. But I'm cool with it. But I feel
Speaker 1: like we've gotten to a level of three D where
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't really see a difference. Classes is that? Like?
Speaker 1: I know, so last night when you so, when you
Speaker 1: when you get invited to media screening, sometimes they'll ask
Speaker 1: you if you want to be in two D or
Speaker 1: three D? And so I was there picking up our
Speaker 1: tickets and I was like, oh, I guess who who's
Speaker 1: going in a what I was like kind of asking
Speaker 1: my friends, and I know notoriously in the film critic
Speaker 1: community that they don't like going into three D. So
Speaker 1: I almost wanted to go in there, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: I caved and I went with the rest of the
Speaker 1: nerds in a two D. I'm gonna let the nerdive
Speaker 1: crowd know that unless you like just love three D,
Speaker 1: don't don't spend your money on this one. It's it's
Speaker 1: not like dr strange or like seeing three D was
Speaker 1: like a legitimate experience, true, that is the special effect
Speaker 1: for a wild This one was like there's a couple
Speaker 1: of moments with him when he gets soups tiny where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is really cool. It's shiny and
Speaker 1: like fun. Three D is good here. Otherwise it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like almost flubber silly, Like there's the moment
Speaker 1: where dudes leaning out the door to say goodbye to
Speaker 1: his daughter, and that's like in a wonky three D,
Speaker 1: you're like too much three D. I love when Harold
Speaker 1: and Kumar did their three D movie because they kept
Speaker 1: making fun of three D technology, like they would just
Speaker 1: point out like their fingers would go out, like just
Speaker 1: and that's why we have this this, you know that
Speaker 1: type of technology. But I'm gonna, you know, next time,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go against the grain. I will
Speaker 1: be in there with you, rebel. And also because you
Speaker 1: can show up later, you can you don't have to
Speaker 1: be there an hour before the movie started. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the movie that we're talking about is aunt Man
Speaker 1: in the Wasp, which is dropping this weekend, so when
Speaker 1: everyone's listening, this is if we haven't said a spoiler review, Yeah, really,
Speaker 1: not too much to spoil in my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's a few key things. I think there's It's
Speaker 1: not like Infinity War. Yeah, but definitely you probably should
Speaker 1: have seen Infinity War by this point because we will
Speaker 1: be trying to there will be like light connections that
Speaker 1: bring up. I went with somebody who hadn't seen Infinity
Speaker 1: Wars and trying to explain everything to them like yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'd be like, okay, so don't worry about that,
Speaker 1: and uh, okay, so this is aunt Man. I mean
Speaker 1: that that post credits thing must have been so wait,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna let people in case this is auto
Speaker 1: plane on your for some reason, and we don't want
Speaker 1: you to write us this is your spoiler warning. Moving forward,
Speaker 1: we will be talking about spoilers, not only with Marvel
Speaker 1: Films with Infinity War, but with ant Man in the Wasps.
Speaker 1: So turn us off and bring us back if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen it yet, yes, okay continue Sorry? Yeah, so, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there was a post credit scene that definitely has to
Speaker 1: do with Infinity War. Um as a young aunt man
Speaker 1: going back into the I guess subatomic h the quantum
Speaker 1: level of shrinkage to get the health because it seems
Speaker 1: like at the end they're they're working with ghosts and
Speaker 1: uh and they're basically healing her with the sub atomic stuff.
Speaker 1: But while he's in there, they they poof, they turned
Speaker 1: in the dust. So he's stuck in there for now. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen Infinity any Wars, someone will have
Speaker 1: to spoil all of Infinity Wars. I just I straight
Speaker 1: up to him, like, so, here's who's gone at the
Speaker 1: end of Infinity War. I just try to catch you up.
Speaker 1: You don't even watch the movie. I'm just gonna give
Speaker 1: the oral history of it. But yeah, I know, Danny,
Speaker 1: we were talking before and he said that you, like
Speaker 1: everyone knew that this ending was coming, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask if he felt the same, did you feel
Speaker 1: like because I was kind of like no. My theater
Speaker 1: was also kind of like no, I something would happen
Speaker 1: with the snap, That's just what makes sense. We're trying
Speaker 1: to catch up in the timeline. But for all three
Speaker 1: of them to be gone and for him to be
Speaker 1: stuck there, I was a little shocked. I know, I
Speaker 1: like the way they did it, because I almost did
Speaker 1: forget about like Infinity War. I was like in ant
Speaker 1: man Land. I was good and I and I write
Speaker 1: when he was calling to them and they weren't responding.
Speaker 1: Because when I was like, oh, yeah, this is when
Speaker 1: it's going to happen, I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: happen towards the end of the movie. But then I
Speaker 1: knew that it must be in the postcard. I knew
Speaker 1: that it was going to happen at some point. So
Speaker 1: that's what I will say. I thought that it was
Speaker 1: going to happen to him, though I honestly thought we
Speaker 1: would get in the middle of the movie with like
Speaker 1: maybe either him or another character, and then we have
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get to the end um
Speaker 1: So I thought leaving it to the end was maybe
Speaker 1: almost a little bit of a cop out, but also
Speaker 1: I understand they have to make their entire film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's what I like about it is I would love
Speaker 1: because I feel like the post credit scene used to
Speaker 1: have like a through line. I feel like with the
Speaker 1: older ones, like in Phase one, it was basically Samuel L.
Speaker 1: Jackson recruiting everyone, and I felt like in Phase two
Speaker 1: and three we kind of lost that because there was
Speaker 1: no reason for there. So now it's going to be
Speaker 1: fun that there is this through line of like at
Speaker 1: the end of these new movies, we'll see who poofs
Speaker 1: and then it makes the second cheese are not almost
Speaker 1: worth it? Like this one, I was like, well, let's
Speaker 1: just stay because sometimes there's the end. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think they were just doing it. Care about this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I am pro make the important one earlier because
Speaker 1: I did, because because I would love if that's the
Speaker 1: trend and I can finally be like, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to stay all the way until the end
Speaker 1: of the credits. Even though my mother in law, for
Speaker 1: she went to like film school, so sheps like, we
Speaker 1: got to look at all the credits, so yeah, inside
Speaker 1: Leewin Davis doesn't have a post credit scene if you
Speaker 1: were wondering, because I definitely watched it with her and
Speaker 1: had to sit there to respect to all the people
Speaker 1: who bring you semmah. Yeah, So let's talk about the
Speaker 1: film itself. We did have an introduction to a new character,
Speaker 1: Ghost Yeah, which is played by Hannah John came in.
Speaker 1: I believe that's her last name. She you would recognize
Speaker 1: her from Game of Throne. She was also in Ready
Speaker 1: Player one kill Joys, and I recognized her from Black Mirror.
Speaker 1: She's in uh fifteen million merits. Yes, well that's like
Speaker 1: the first season. Remember it has Daniel Kalua. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: where we first meet Daniel. For many of us are
Speaker 1: there and everyone from Black Mirror. Why wouldn't you. The
Speaker 1: Brits know what they're doing, they acting, and they're they're
Speaker 1: so much better than we How American American access sounds
Speaker 1: so good a ship. I can barely tell the diffience
Speaker 1: British and on Australian accident, let alone pull off either.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I could do one, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to offend any Australian people, so I
Speaker 1: am not going to. But um, yeah, they they're so
Speaker 1: much better than we are in every way. Anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she she was also in tomb Rader, oh, in
Speaker 1: the Force Awakens. Yeah, and so yeah, she's been in
Speaker 1: a lot. Just in case anybody was wondering, Ghost is
Speaker 1: a actual Marvel character. It actually the Ghost was actually
Speaker 1: a male in the comic books. They swapped it to
Speaker 1: a female. But in the comic books it was like
Speaker 1: this character with like kind of an unknown origin who
Speaker 1: has the same abilities, can be intangible, can go through things,
Speaker 1: and actually was in the Thunderbolts, which would be cool
Speaker 1: if they do do a Thunderbolts movie franchise, which so
Speaker 1: deep cut Marvel truly. Yeah. So so that was so
Speaker 1: just so you know, that is based off of a character,
Speaker 1: and she was really cool. I liked her story. I
Speaker 1: liked the kind of like you can see their side
Speaker 1: of it, like they weren't just straight up bad, and
Speaker 1: like in the end, you know, being able to kind
Speaker 1: of redeem herself because she never you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like sometimes when you have villains, they have to go
Speaker 1: O D on how evil they are, so they make
Speaker 1: them do some irredeemable steps and then you have to
Speaker 1: kill them at the end. I love that she threatened
Speaker 1: to do some irredeemable and then Lawrence was like, Madam Neo,
Speaker 1: can't be doing that. Take it up. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever told either of you, but like Laurence
Speaker 1: Fisherman is like my number one crush. Like when I
Speaker 1: saw him at Infinity Wars, I was like, and he's
Speaker 1: talking to Angela Bath, like this is so sexy and
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with I didn't know
Speaker 1: why he was there, Like I realized that it was
Speaker 1: because he's now in Marvel's Crazy. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: Just like it's funny when you go to the premieres
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, like it's so fascinating who gets
Speaker 1: invited to these things? You know, but it's it's wilde.
Speaker 1: I saw Lawrence Fishburn when I worked at the Improv.
Speaker 1: He was going Brendan Small had a show and he
Speaker 1: showed up to it, like he was outside and he
Speaker 1: was like just smoking a cigarette and I was just
Speaker 1: staring at him the whole time, and I like, but
Speaker 1: like you know that where that thing where like you
Speaker 1: stare but like when they look at you, you you kind
Speaker 1: of look away. And then when he walked back in
Speaker 1: he winked at me. I was like okay, I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, you knew I was staring. That's so great
Speaker 1: And this is such a perfect role for him, like
Speaker 1: this kind of fatherly but also like arrogant scientists like him,
Speaker 1: like the fighting between him and um, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: why am I blinking on names? Hang him? Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that whole office like back and forth about who was
Speaker 1: writing how do things go down? Like you wanted to
Speaker 1: do like a whole twenty year revert of just them
Speaker 1: in the lab. I'd watch it. Yeah. But also they
Speaker 1: like dropped the nugget that he's goliathe like they are
Speaker 1: like and Goliath, which means he lives past Civil War
Speaker 1: because in the Marvel comic books, Goliath dies in Civil War.
Speaker 1: The Thor robot that Tony makes shoots Goliath with lyone
Speaker 1: in the heart, and that's kind of where people just
Speaker 1: kind of were like forgets used Tony Stark. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so like that's a fun thing that I wonder if
Speaker 1: they'll revisit you to him this Yeah, because they're gonna
Speaker 1: have like fifty people in their poster next time. They
Speaker 1: had like forty. So yeah, so this um aunt Man.
Speaker 1: The Wasp takes place two years after the events of
Speaker 1: Captain America's Civil War and before the events of Avengers
Speaker 1: Infinity War. So Scott Lang aunt Man now is under
Speaker 1: house arrest after the events of Civil War, tries to
Speaker 1: about which they bring up a lot how he fought
Speaker 1: in Germany. Um tries to balance his home life as
Speaker 1: a father with his responsibilities as aunt Man. Um and
Speaker 1: then Hope Van Die and Hank Pim present him and
Speaker 1: she is the Wasp present and with a new haircut,
Speaker 1: very so good. Um presents him with a new mission
Speaker 1: to bring to light secrets from their past and also
Speaker 1: bring back her mom, played by Michelle Peiffer. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was That was pretty much a fun through
Speaker 1: line because I was, you know, when I approached this movie,
Speaker 1: I was very I had many thoughts. One first thought
Speaker 1: obviously was where was he an Infinity War? But then
Speaker 1: also the movie starts off with him being so angry
Speaker 1: at him, to the point where I thought this was
Speaker 1: going to be a fault for the movie for me,
Speaker 1: because it's like they seem so angry, but it's like
Speaker 1: a huge chunk of plot they're not really explaining. But
Speaker 1: they ended up touching on it where I Hope is
Speaker 1: mad at aunt Man because he didn't come to her,
Speaker 1: basically didn't trust her enough to invite her to go
Speaker 1: help him out in Germany, and Hanks just mad because
Speaker 1: he went to Germany with the suit and kind of
Speaker 1: basically made them made them criminal. His actions made them criminals.
Speaker 1: So and then you kind of revisit it towards the
Speaker 1: end when like once again the FBI is onto a
Speaker 1: because he was telling Louise and it was kind of
Speaker 1: a newish take on that classic balance in your real
Speaker 1: life and your superhero life. That was real fun. He
Speaker 1: was trying to he he knew that if he did
Speaker 1: not stay home, he would go to jail again and
Speaker 1: he'd not see his daughter. But then he also knew
Speaker 1: that he wanted to help Hank and Hope bring back
Speaker 1: her mother and his wife. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: a pretty fun motivation because I feel like we're finally
Speaker 1: starting to get to this place where superhero movies aren't
Speaker 1: just bad guys versus good guys. And you know, this
Speaker 1: one was a little more gray, you know, there was
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of were rooting for Ghosts when
Speaker 1: you found out that her motivations were pure and she
Speaker 1: was just trying to save her own life, and he
Speaker 1: just it was kind of the thing where it's like,
Speaker 1: I wish you would go about it differently, but I
Speaker 1: understand why this is so important to you totally. And
Speaker 1: the thing I like about this arc is that the
Speaker 1: idea of the two year gap, the fact that he's
Speaker 1: been on house arrest, gives us like three really cool things. First,
Speaker 1: Randall Park gets introduced to the series of an FBI agent.
Speaker 1: He's so freaking fun, but on top of that, just
Speaker 1: so damn charming, like show me close up magic. I
Speaker 1: was like, ran, I really would like him to do
Speaker 1: more like through the m c U. I hope they
Speaker 1: bring this character back and we get more into like
Speaker 1: FBI shield stuff. His line when it was what you
Speaker 1: want to go to dinner? I love him. He's here.
Speaker 1: I agree, he's so precious to the reason I love
Speaker 1: and stand real hard for the ant Man series. It's
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the only superhero movies currently out
Speaker 1: other than maybe Spider Man, but even the Spider Man
Speaker 1: is so geared toward making sure adults feel included in
Speaker 1: the conversation. I feel like comics are four kids like
Speaker 1: you obviously have adult named comics and comics that are
Speaker 1: reaching out to an older audience, and those are also great,
Speaker 1: love them. But I feel like we should be able
Speaker 1: to take kids to these movies and they should be like, yes,
Speaker 1: beyond just like here's a giant gun kids like you know,
Speaker 1: and so like the whole Hot Wheels that you can
Speaker 1: just expand, like me and my friends are freaking out
Speaker 1: because like what kid wouldn't want that? Like you take
Speaker 1: a little hot wheel suitcase in just any car, now
Speaker 1: you can drive it. That's amazing. And finally, I just
Speaker 1: really like the fact that we get to see Wasp
Speaker 1: kicks so much ass, like the whole car chase scene
Speaker 1: where she's like chumping in and out of windows and
Speaker 1: flying around dope. I know, I did kind of like
Speaker 1: that aspect that you get to see that Wasp is
Speaker 1: actually more capable than ant Man, you know, like she's
Speaker 1: like she's hand yeah, and she's flying and she's doing
Speaker 1: like she's her you know for the most part. When
Speaker 1: when Paul read as Aunt Man has to fight, he's
Speaker 1: more just running away and kind of fun, where she's
Speaker 1: just like straight up like doing kicks. And that that
Speaker 1: was a real cute and fun moment when he gets
Speaker 1: the suit back when he kicks and he was like,
Speaker 1: I learned that from you, and she's like, yeah, good form.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah she is. Yeah, she is
Speaker 1: better than him at this. And I feel like they're
Speaker 1: always sometimes seems to be just an air of like
Speaker 1: we have to, you know, let people know the man's
Speaker 1: the man, you know, and that kind of weird uh machismo,
Speaker 1: not even chimo, but almost gender politics where it's like
Speaker 1: if if you have a man and woman they're dating
Speaker 1: or partners, the man has to be the way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would say that Paul rud for me, does a
Speaker 1: lot of the same things that I feel Chris Pine does,
Speaker 1: where he can be alongside a powerful woman without feeling
Speaker 1: threatened or needing to take away any of her spotlight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's never like a pool of attention. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think they're both men that would be like, no, she
Speaker 1: can kick my ass like that truly is how they are.
Speaker 1: That is that is how Scott Lang is and that
Speaker 1: is how Steve Trevor is to me, where they're like, oh, ship, no,
Speaker 1: this is what I need her, I need her. Um
Speaker 1: not saying that Steve Trevor is a superhero. But just
Speaker 1: I feel like those actors are perfectly cast and that
Speaker 1: they're they're comedic and they're able to yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: feel threatened, and and the woman can really also shine
Speaker 1: alongside them. I feel like that comes from the comedy background,
Speaker 1: because I feel like in comedy, you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: as good as you make your scene partners look and
Speaker 1: you kind of kind of boost them up, and that
Speaker 1: makes you look good because has comedy is all about
Speaker 1: almost like a game of tennis where you bat it
Speaker 1: and everyone gets a turn to swing. Where do you
Speaker 1: feel like we're acting acting and you know, it's all
Speaker 1: about having your moment and stepping out, and that's what
Speaker 1: can kind of lead to, like, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: pushing people to the side, unless it's like to powerhouses
Speaker 1: like Denzel and Viola and Fences and it's just like
Speaker 1: tennis of spit and dramatics, an all star home run game.
Speaker 1: Just like, I'm great, Yeah, that's a perfect I didn't
Speaker 1: want to read this quote from Entertainment Weekly. It said
Speaker 1: the writers were so excited about now being able to
Speaker 1: show Hope fully formed and what she is as a superhero.
Speaker 1: Her power set, how she fights, and what are the
Speaker 1: injustices that matter to her that she wants to write.
Speaker 1: That's part of the really fun thing of the film.
Speaker 1: And Lily felt by van Day becoming the Wasp. There
Speaker 1: was this incredible satisfaction and hope, something that she has
Speaker 1: been waiting for her whole life, which is essentially an
Speaker 1: affirmation from her father has come. Um. Also just yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean watching The First aunt Man, which I watched
Speaker 1: again before we went to the screening, I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that she got that she got this film.
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that she got this film because it
Speaker 1: was I understand that wasn't necessarily her point in the
Speaker 1: First aunt Man, but um, it was so funny forgot.
Speaker 1: I was talking to Kim Horser from The Young Turks,
Speaker 1: were sitting next to each other. We were kind of
Speaker 1: talking about like even her new haircut, which doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like a big deal, but like the way that they
Speaker 1: had made her in the first film was really unapproachable,
Speaker 1: kind of like an un you know, like she was zy,
Speaker 1: she she was icy. She reminds me of like Soma
Speaker 1: Blair's characters. You know what, I mean where it's like
Speaker 1: this really like businesswoman, like you know, and and I
Speaker 1: was excited that she could down the suit and and
Speaker 1: be a superhero. Um yeah, I feel like yeah, because
Speaker 1: they were trying to build that like she's professional and
Speaker 1: this guy's a slacker, and they were kind of leaning
Speaker 1: on that. And yeah, when you do roles like that,
Speaker 1: it does kind of box, you know, her into the
Speaker 1: corner of being like no fund zone, you know, whereas
Speaker 1: like this time she got to be all funds. And
Speaker 1: I feel like this movie really took kind of some
Speaker 1: of the you know, the fridging of you know, Hank
Speaker 1: Pim's wife almost immediately and all that stuff. But like
Speaker 1: now you can like almost remove that tag because it
Speaker 1: led into something. But lots of times the movie it
Speaker 1: just ends right there, that's just the motivation, and we
Speaker 1: never see the wife again. But now we get the
Speaker 1: wife to come back, and then they work together to
Speaker 1: bring her back from this well. And we have another
Speaker 1: smart woman in the room who's like way ahead of
Speaker 1: everyone else, actually scientists putting antenna's in people's heads, like
Speaker 1: you know, showing them. She's like, oh guys, you did
Speaker 1: so like in the most mom way too. She was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys did really good and you came so close.
Speaker 1: You need a little adjustment, and that's where I am
Speaker 1: come get me. Um. I loved her character and I
Speaker 1: almost fel thought that we didn't get enough of her,
Speaker 1: like so on the outskirts of this story, and she
Speaker 1: kind of brought her before the final battle with like
Speaker 1: the crime mob guys. Very funny. Interesting. Yeah, that they
Speaker 1: decided to also have that storyline in there, like see
Speaker 1: you storyline, um, which I do want to get into.
Speaker 1: And we will write after this break and we're back
Speaker 1: and uh. I also wanted to talk about some of
Speaker 1: the external characters because for me, Louise stole the show
Speaker 1: so good, so stupidly good. When is Michael pa going
Speaker 1: to get his anser? When is he going to get
Speaker 1: his outfit? I honestly was like, to give us our
Speaker 1: Latino superhero. He needs to suit up. He even hinted
Speaker 1: at it. He was like, we're gonna get it. He's
Speaker 1: going to get an outfit. He even said like, oh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't even need superpowers. Let's the same. Yes, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have made any sense, that's not what was happening,
Speaker 1: But I really wish that he had at least gotten
Speaker 1: his suit. What if in the second cut scene they
Speaker 1: had been like and you just see him like, oh
Speaker 1: grab they made one for me. Yes, we deserve and
Speaker 1: hes okay calling Marvel now, um, truly he's so great
Speaker 1: and and that's what I feel like. We've we talked
Speaker 1: about this in our m c U episode where you know,
Speaker 1: Paul Red was also a writer in this UM and
Speaker 1: so I feel like that's important and that's why it
Speaker 1: works so well is a lot of times you have
Speaker 1: these people with comedic backgrounds, uh coming into also work
Speaker 1: on the film and that and I feel like I
Speaker 1: feel like that's also another reason why a lot of
Speaker 1: these Marvel films have been successful is because you have
Speaker 1: a lot of the actors that are rooted in comedy.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's just one that he would be a
Speaker 1: great Can you imagine him in his own film? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: That's that's what I really liked about this, which is
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that you know, everyone suggested Thor
Speaker 1: Ragnar Rocket. I eventually finally saw, but this was just
Speaker 1: like a straight up comedy, just the action comedy this this.
Speaker 1: When I was watching this, I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is what your summer action movie used to be action packed,
Speaker 1: filled with comedy, moved along, good story, and and it
Speaker 1: blew me away. It honestly did, because I was laughing
Speaker 1: the whole time, and then I'd be into the the
Speaker 1: action that was special effects which really heightened the action,
Speaker 1: which again bringing back to like, why is this such
Speaker 1: a great? Like comic book series and comic books play
Speaker 1: with perspective so much in their art design and in
Speaker 1: their storytelling methods to see like not just the cars,
Speaker 1: but like when he goes thirty feet tall and he's
Speaker 1: in the ocean, or like um, even the knife fight
Speaker 1: with Wasp where she in the kitchen. The entire kitchen
Speaker 1: scene fight is amazing and she's like blowing things up
Speaker 1: and like shrinking itself and it's like you've kind of
Speaker 1: seen it before but never really done as well as
Speaker 1: the is, and it's it's just so fun. I really
Speaker 1: respect what they were able to do just from a
Speaker 1: special effects point of view. Well, that's what I thought
Speaker 1: was so good about Domino and Deadpool, where you I
Speaker 1: feel like when people are presented a power, uh in
Speaker 1: like a superhero power in movies, there's this effort to
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, this is just a tool, and we'll
Speaker 1: just use it to solve these unrelated problems we throw
Speaker 1: at it. But then you have characters like Domino and
Speaker 1: even ant Man in the Wasp where they're like, how
Speaker 1: do we have fun with this? How do we create
Speaker 1: fun interesting action scenes? And same thing with Domino, like
Speaker 1: her walking down and everything dodging her and her getting
Speaker 1: like that was so fun to watch. And it's because
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, let's take this power that's kind of weird,
Speaker 1: like luck, and what fun can we have with this?
Speaker 1: And with this is like they could have just had
Speaker 1: it because I feel like, you know, aunt Man was
Speaker 1: all about like you either shrink or you get big,
Speaker 1: and you do what you gotta do. At those sides
Speaker 1: where this one was like, no, you're using it to
Speaker 1: miss direct. You're shrinking, getting big, coming up behind people
Speaker 1: like that's taking your dream home to the beach? Had
Speaker 1: interested Like they really did explore the idea of like
Speaker 1: what can we do if things can shrink? And I
Speaker 1: was blown away every time I liked it. I was
Speaker 1: really excited. I wanted to say that this was it
Speaker 1: was like a classic heist movie really had a lot
Speaker 1: of those same elements that you guys were talking about
Speaker 1: as far as it being like a summer blockbuster. Um,
Speaker 1: I did want to say the Russo brothers were heavily
Speaker 1: involved in this as well, since they wanted it to
Speaker 1: sync up with Infinity War. So UM. Peyton Reid, who's
Speaker 1: the director of ant Man in the Wasp, fed it
Speaker 1: was inspired by the films After Hours in Midnight Run
Speaker 1: for the look and feel of ant Man in the Wasp. Um.
Speaker 1: While the first film was more of a heist film,
Speaker 1: which I still think, this one was like a highest film.
Speaker 1: But Read described this as a part action film, part
Speaker 1: romantic comedy and wanted this one to be a little
Speaker 1: more of like an Elmore Leonard vibe, where we have villains,
Speaker 1: but we also have antagon us, and we have these
Speaker 1: roadblocks to our heroes getting to where they need to
Speaker 1: be and getting what they need for this mission. So,
Speaker 1: regarding the opportunity for character development, Read used the actions
Speaker 1: of Lang in Civil War to fuel potential tension between him, Pim,
Speaker 1: and Van Dyne. Since Pim is very clear in the
Speaker 1: first movie about how he feels about Stark. True, I
Speaker 1: forgot about that. I forgot that he had made those
Speaker 1: comments about how here criminal with them, Yeah, and how
Speaker 1: he feels about the Avengers and being very protective of
Speaker 1: this technology that he has. So yeah, and they're pissed
Speaker 1: the whole time. Yeah. Yeah, they were pissed that whole
Speaker 1: first chunk, and and it just became clear why and
Speaker 1: it made sense the way they delivered it, and it
Speaker 1: was great. I feel like they have questions though, because
Speaker 1: they didn't sign the accord, they weren't involved with the
Speaker 1: initial actions, so I'm still confused as to like they're
Speaker 1: scientists and they built suits, like why are they in trouble?
Speaker 1: A little confusing there, but um, I like the way
Speaker 1: that it gave, Like I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: times when we have here trying to redeem themselves, like
Speaker 1: Tony at the start of like the Civil War stuff
Speaker 1: was like I forget which actress comes up to him
Speaker 1: and is like my son died into Koba and it's
Speaker 1: your fault and you don't care about like like it
Speaker 1: became such a self loathing kind of like, oh woe
Speaker 1: is me, I'll shut everything down because like I need
Speaker 1: to feel empowered. But here we have a guy who's
Speaker 1: just like I just want to help people, and my
Speaker 1: biggest fear is like I just won't be able to
Speaker 1: be there for my daughter, and how do I balance
Speaker 1: out those two needs in a way that nobody gets hurt?
Speaker 1: And it becomes more of a I need to take
Speaker 1: responsibility for what's happening and find a pass through as
Speaker 1: opposed to like I'm just gonna shut everybody else down
Speaker 1: and out. Yeah, yeah, that was real fun. I think
Speaker 1: since we've been talking about the Marvel timeline as a whole,
Speaker 1: I need to to remind everyone that this is our
Speaker 1: last Marvel movie of the year. I was thinking that
Speaker 1: as I left the theater, and I was distraught a
Speaker 1: little bit. But look, we've had three really great Marvel
Speaker 1: for homes this year, right. We started with Black Panther. Uh,
Speaker 1: then we got Fanos Do you want the Big Snap?
Speaker 1: Which caused like a bunch of chaos, and then they
Speaker 1: leave us with like it's so funny, lighthearted, No snap,
Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of your characters, and then they're
Speaker 1: like mans will be back and that question mark. Guys,
Speaker 1: when that question mark comes up, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was just ruel and unusual. Can we have number
Speaker 1: four now? Because Avengers four is what's coming out next right, No,
Speaker 1: it's Captain Marvel. Then Avengers four, we got our girl
Speaker 1: coming up to happen. That's gonna be so interesting too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of questions I have about
Speaker 1: Captain Marvel, because the fact that I was gonna say
Speaker 1: Samuel Jackson, but I meant to say Nick Fury has
Speaker 1: the that reader is that's a huge question for me.
Speaker 1: It's like, when did you get in touch with the Beeper?
Speaker 1: I know we're focusing a lot on the year. It's
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Yeah, so we'll be going back to
Speaker 1: to see probably that initial injury actions. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for. She have some TLC Like I already am
Speaker 1: looking forward to the soundtrack. The soundtrack had better be bonkers,
Speaker 1: although some rumors I'm hearing coming off that set are
Speaker 1: really scary and I'm so nervous about, like what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I love Bree Larsen's like a champion of
Speaker 1: like women in poc folks, so I need this movie
Speaker 1: to be really good for her. Wait, what are you hearing?
Speaker 1: This is the place to spill it. This is why
Speaker 1: you come to I've heard a lot about doing a
Speaker 1: lot of reshoots, a lot of hold ups, um, just
Speaker 1: on the set trying to get through just the day um,
Speaker 1: and apparently not everyone is satisfied with the way the
Speaker 1: script is that happen. Well, I mean, Marvel is really
Speaker 1: good about like whatever is happening behind the scenes, We're
Speaker 1: gonna polish it up before y'all see it. That's gonna
Speaker 1: stay family business. So we'll see. But as Marvel's first
Speaker 1: solo female movie, there's a lot I think writing on this,
Speaker 1: but we'll say for aunt Man, I really liked um.
Speaker 1: We talked about two women, but I feel like the
Speaker 1: most important relationship was aunt Man and his daughter. Know
Speaker 1: that whole opening scene of like, well, I'm on house arrest.
Speaker 1: How do I entertain a ten year old I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make a giant maze and he tried to steal? Can
Speaker 1: I tell you when when she asked to be his partner.
Speaker 1: I think I saw if he get a little, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: if he was next to me and he got a little,
Speaker 1: I could hear him gasp. Whatever. We have been told
Speaker 1: that we have to warn him when it's a father
Speaker 1: daughter film as his friends, which I didn't tell you,
Speaker 1: I guess about Coco and then he tweeted a picture
Speaker 1: of him weeping. It wasn't there was pictures of tears
Speaker 1: on my face. You were weeping. It's okay that you
Speaker 1: wept during Cocoa. You have a little baby girl. It
Speaker 1: was a lot. It was like it was like someone
Speaker 1: it was like to keep it on subject. It was
Speaker 1: like ghost phased her hand into my heart right there,
Speaker 1: just the reveal and just when they connect all the
Speaker 1: dots before your eyes and you're just like it just
Speaker 1: takes your whole soul. Because that's also like another soft
Speaker 1: spot to me too, is like father daughter time skips
Speaker 1: where there's like a gap because like and there was
Speaker 1: kind of like that in an interstellar Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: was like it shredded me. Was like, can you imagine
Speaker 1: you going to your daughter's deathbed and knowing you're gonna
Speaker 1: live way longer than or because of the time like that,
Speaker 1: Like that type of cerebral kind of thing always taps
Speaker 1: into me. Like that's so interesting to me, and that
Speaker 1: what a what a like what A just thought, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely a daddy's girl. Into the whole storyline of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would love you my partner, but I would be
Speaker 1: a bad dad. You love her so much, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then and then the blended families narrative of it,
Speaker 1: you know, whereas in the first film, like their divorce
Speaker 1: was kind of very angry and there wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of trust there to now like her you husband being
Speaker 1: able to hug him and like, no, we're family, we
Speaker 1: all love you. Like It's actually I love seeing blended
Speaker 1: families that work in our cooperative but so often we
Speaker 1: see that there's just like discourse and no we likes
Speaker 1: each other, and it's like frustrating. I think that there
Speaker 1: are more blended families that work than there are blended
Speaker 1: families that don't work. True, true, So let's let's get
Speaker 1: down to the nitty gritty. We're gonna rated blank out
Speaker 1: of ten nerties. We said ten nerties right now, five
Speaker 1: ten nerties because you don't. So many other people do five.
Speaker 1: So let's uh yeah, let's give it our ratings and
Speaker 1: then talk about, you know, maybe where we see the
Speaker 1: future of this as well as Marvel. Right after this
Speaker 1: break and we're back, Joel, what do you what are
Speaker 1: you ranking? I'm gonna give this seven nerdies. Ok Um.
Speaker 1: I thought the film jagged a little bit in certain places. Uh.
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned earlier, the Steaks are just not
Speaker 1: very high, especially coming off of Infinity Wars where everything
Speaker 1: was at stake. Um, it's solid but not great. But still,
Speaker 1: is there something that would have done it for you?
Speaker 1: Like something else the Steaks? I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: I hear you and and that is actually the argument
Speaker 1: that I made. But um, I do feel like they
Speaker 1: kind of needed a break. Maybe I feel like they
Speaker 1: knew coming off of Infinity War. Um, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll just save this for mine. I just think that
Speaker 1: if the fan of Snap had happened in the middle
Speaker 1: of the film, I agree. I just feel like all
Speaker 1: like dealing with all of the chaos that they were
Speaker 1: dealing with, plus half the population is gone and what
Speaker 1: is going on? And I definitely can't go back to
Speaker 1: the Avengers because like at this point, his bracelet is
Speaker 1: still on his house or US bracelet and he knows
Speaker 1: he's not supposed to contact the Avengers. But also, guys,
Speaker 1: what for real is going on? I think that would
Speaker 1: have been just exciting and like chaotic. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have raised the stakes, but I get it. I'm not
Speaker 1: upset with it. I will still like write or Die
Speaker 1: for a man forever. It's so fun write or die.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, if you w about you. Um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and give it nine out of ten nerd
Speaker 1: Yeah because I it was a solid comedy movie that
Speaker 1: jokes all hit for me. The action was all there.
Speaker 1: I think that there was There was no stakes they
Speaker 1: could have put on this movie after Infinity War that
Speaker 1: would have compared, so there was no use trying. So
Speaker 1: it was great way to cap the year off with
Speaker 1: something fun and light but leave us with a nice
Speaker 1: little tingled taste on our tongue to get us excited
Speaker 1: for next year. Michael Penia is amazing. He killed it.
Speaker 1: And then we introduced another a poc Ranto park that's funny. Um,
Speaker 1: not to mention another poc ghost, you know, just just
Speaker 1: floating in there making it work. Everyone really brought it.
Speaker 1: It was it had a heart, it was good. It
Speaker 1: was just great. I thought it was just my jam
Speaker 1: Like everything about it was perfect for me. Does this
Speaker 1: mean that you liked? Oh yeah, I really like Thor.
Speaker 1: Ragnarok is definitely super fun, super entertaining, same thing like
Speaker 1: super funny and it is just a fun ride throughout. Um,
Speaker 1: I swear to I feel like Odin dies in every
Speaker 1: thor if what I know about he's the krillon of them,
Speaker 1: And if what I know about Ragnarok and Asgard is correct,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's going to be in the next
Speaker 1: Door movie and he's going to find some way to
Speaker 1: die again. Yep, yep. Um. Hopefully that means Loki finds
Speaker 1: a way to come back as he does. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think he's gone. The next nap seemed
Speaker 1: pretty final. Well you never know. Um. I'm very excited
Speaker 1: that we have ghosts now in this world. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I hope that they do more with their character and
Speaker 1: maybe that means that she might be in the future
Speaker 1: a Vendor's m c u ones and not just in
Speaker 1: ant Man films. Hopefully that means that we get to
Speaker 1: see her now that she's kind of been persuaded to
Speaker 1: the other side. Well, we know there is a female
Speaker 1: lead movie coming up somewhat soon. Tessa Thompson took all
Speaker 1: of the ladies and to Kevin Fikey and said, excuse me,
Speaker 1: it's time for us to have a movie, and Kevin said, sure, okay,
Speaker 1: So I mean I would love to see like ghosts
Speaker 1: and Valkyrie and like Wasp and maybe um Captain Marvel
Speaker 1: Black Widow. Yeah, all of them just kicking ass doing
Speaker 1: a secret mission. Hell yeah, I'm going to give this
Speaker 1: eight out of ten nerdies, maybe eight and a half.
Speaker 1: I don't know these numbers. I don't know if matters. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree that it had. I agree that the stakes
Speaker 1: weren't really high, and maybe that's what they needed in
Speaker 1: this moment, especially after Infinity War. And um, Paul Rudd
Speaker 1: is just so likable, said a sweet kind man. Um
Speaker 1: and uh, I loved Evangeline Lily just kicking ass and
Speaker 1: taking names. Um and yeah, I agree. Michael Penia, Holy crap.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just like stole the show. I you
Speaker 1: know what, I probably would have given it a ten
Speaker 1: if he had gotten his own if he had gotten
Speaker 1: his own suit. Okay, scratch what I said about the
Speaker 1: fan of staff in the middle. Give Michael Panya a
Speaker 1: suit in the middle and keep his exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. If you're like, oh no, but
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, like that wouldn't work. It would because
Speaker 1: the whole reason that Scott Lange works, the whole reason
Speaker 1: Paul Red's character works is because he is a regular
Speaker 1: guy hits what would happen if? And that's also Paul
Speaker 1: Red's what Paul Red said as far as why he
Speaker 1: took this role, aside from it being a Marvel film
Speaker 1: and making him a lot of money. Um, he said
Speaker 1: that he liked the fact that he was a regular
Speaker 1: guy and his motivations are being a father, like those
Speaker 1: are his you know, it's not necessarily to be a superhero,
Speaker 1: and so I would love that. I would love to
Speaker 1: see Louise. There's no reason why he couldn't also be
Speaker 1: a regular guy with a powered suit. I mean, he
Speaker 1: even said he would be happy with a suit without powers.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to throw our baby out there
Speaker 1: because I know he would die. It would be like
Speaker 1: confidence all of a sudden, though, Like you would see
Speaker 1: him kecocking a little bit, kind of like it's knocking
Speaker 1: the Latino man the suit without powers and throw him
Speaker 1: on the front lines, like I know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen together. Um, but yeah, so so I feel like
Speaker 1: he could. I I don't know. I I hope his
Speaker 1: manager's pitching for it. I don't know. I feel he
Speaker 1: could step into the role of another character. This is
Speaker 1: the soapbox and the hill I'm going to die on
Speaker 1: is that he should. It's a worthy hill, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if he saw he did he also save
Speaker 1: their but a couple of times. Yeah, well I thought
Speaker 1: was it like Twelve Soldiers, which he was in a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier this year, Like Michael Opinion has the
Speaker 1: range to go the distance, like you can hit those
Speaker 1: serious notes. He's obviously got the comedy and like outside
Speaker 1: of the m c U, someone used to give this
Speaker 1: and a role that can start winning him awards because
Speaker 1: he's like worthy. And I feel like we waste so
Speaker 1: much of our like really great POC talent and we
Speaker 1: don't recognize until like it's like, oh, Viola Davis is good.
Speaker 1: She's been good for so long. We're just now getting
Speaker 1: to give her quality rules because suddenly we see her.
Speaker 1: I just want us to start recognizing the talent earlier
Speaker 1: so we can get like a bigger discography of their
Speaker 1: work like they deserve. Hopefully. Michael pos Agent is like
Speaker 1: out here hunting scripts because he needs something. He needs
Speaker 1: someone big in the leading role. No, I could see
Speaker 1: him as a superhero. So um, anyways, this has turned
Speaker 1: into my platform to push Michael Penia as a superhero
Speaker 1: in the m c U. All right, well we talked
Speaker 1: about this film. Where can people find you Joel and
Speaker 1: Joel Monique And you can find me all over the
Speaker 1: internet at Juel Monique if you hit me up with
Speaker 1: you at the Instagram, it's Joel Underscore Monique. Also at
Speaker 1: Pejaibo where we talk all things feminist culture. It's great. Uh,
Speaker 1: DC Universe I their versus the other day and that
Speaker 1: was so much fun. So check that out for Catwoman
Speaker 1: um bootleg Universe videos coming soon. And oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know when this is coming out, but in like fifteen
Speaker 1: days from whatever today is, I'll be launching a Patreon
Speaker 1: for my new show, which is called Getting Out, which
Speaker 1: seeks to chronicle the history of black horror in cinema,
Speaker 1: both from a creative standpoint and from a like the
Speaker 1: actual film. So the creators, producers, p a s, critics, directors, writers,
Speaker 1: all of them telling their horror stories of being black
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, but also talking about black horror films and
Speaker 1: how it's shaped them and their work. Uh so you
Speaker 1: can check that out. Hell yeah, I did want to
Speaker 1: add one more thing. I forgot of watching these films
Speaker 1: back to back, the first ant Man in then this one.
Speaker 1: Michael Douglas cannot die. Every time, I'm like, is he
Speaker 1: gonna die? He's not gonna do? Is he die? Is
Speaker 1: he he's what her hand went through? His neck is dead?
Speaker 1: He's not dead. I should have been a death and
Speaker 1: you guys, I understand, I love him as well. I understand,
Speaker 1: but also like, I think that would have given it
Speaker 1: a little bit of steaks. I don't think anyone died
Speaker 1: in this film, except for a bunch of like side henchmen.
Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone died. Yeah, even those guys
Speaker 1: just kind of got shocked and dipped with some truth serum.
Speaker 1: And you know, truly was a kid like a kid's
Speaker 1: it's a kid's Yeah. And the jokes were even not
Speaker 1: they were pretty PG most of them. So wow, And
Speaker 1: no death a film a superhero film. I'm sure someone
Speaker 1: will correct me. I can't think of anyone that died
Speaker 1: in this film. But Snap does not count as a
Speaker 1: death either. I feel like, besides the like cars flipping
Speaker 1: over and you know, down the San Francisco streets, I
Speaker 1: think we've all universally agreed that those don't count as
Speaker 1: death deaths are just guys being knocked out and sent
Speaker 1: to the bad guy heaven. Yeah. Um, I am at
Speaker 1: Miss Danny Fernandez. It's M S D A and I
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